Nov. 7, 2025

Jonbenet Ramsey Murder Part 3

Jonbenet Ramsey Murder Part 3
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Statement analysis of the ransom note continues this week. Evidence released publicly in the case helps to shed some light on how this gruesome and shocking murder took place, but it leaves a lot of questions as to why such a fantastical ruse was used in this case. I suspect that we aren’t being told all there is to know about the inner workings of John Ramsey’s life and business which this ransom note seems to target. The over use of words in the ransom note really sings Zodiac Killer.

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Good Morning, tru seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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Today we're going to continue on with the John Vne

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Ramsey evidence. We were working actually on a statement analysis

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last week where we were talking about or discussing an

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individual's analysis of the statements that were made in that

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ransom note. Let me see if I can collect his

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name again real quick, Mark McLish. So, we had ended

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out basically with a couple pages left to go over,

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in which case he's breaking down the linguistics of the

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ransom note. Of course, in this presentation he's attempting to

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show how it is Pansy Ramsey that wrote this note. However,

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the family has been cleared from any wrongdoing in this case,

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well at least from actively having murdered their own daughter.

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This was actually done? When did I say? This was done?

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Two thousand and one, So this was basically about four

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years after the death of John Vnay. And let's see

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if we can get ourselves back to yes. Okay, So

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and while we wait for Lindsay to come back with us. Oh,

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here she is. Good morning, Lindsay mcbrear. Oh where is

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your You're here, You're here, but I don't hear you.

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Oh there you are. Ah, good morning morning. I'm exhausted.

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I went deep sea fishing, yes, yesterday, and we did

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not finish boiling the crabs until about midnight last night.

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So I'm barely hanging in there. But We're gonna make

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it through.

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Yay.

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Oh well, yes, I'm good eating.

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Well I didn't get to eat it yet, obviously. That

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was all cutting prepping. Yeah, I'm doing all the things

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except for eating. But that's okay. My mama made a

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great meal for us when we got home, so we

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had a hot meal at about nine thirty ten o'clock

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at night. Ah. Well, we left off at the end

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of the statement, analysis and examination of the ransom note,

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so I'm just going to pick up where we left

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off and if Nolan joins us today, I'm sure one

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will pop him in, but I have not talked to

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him to know whether or not he's going to be here. Yeah,

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all right, so we left off where it was talking

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about the kidnapper demanded one hundred and eighteen thousand from

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the Ramseys and this is very unusual. Well, of course

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it's an unusual amount, but most people would ask for

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a much larger amount. There's a reason why the writer

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chose one hundred and eighteen. Even John Ramsey agrees that

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that the number one eighteen is significant to the killer.

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It has been reported that in nineteen ninety six, John

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Ramsey received a bonus of one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars,

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And he asks, is this a coincidence? When the writer

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had to think of a number, one hundred and eighteen

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thousand was on his mind? How does that make you feel?

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Definitely, excuse me, not on his mind, right, I don't

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believe in coincidence. Is for one, and for two, you

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don't get like the exact amount just randomly, like there's

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no way.

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Right, And I mean, of course they're they're alluding to

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the fact that Ramsey's would have known this number, and

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that of course ties them back to this note in

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some fashion. But we've seen a lot of inside information

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in some of these crimes, and of course this one

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is no different. So the knowing of you know, where

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her room was, where to take her from the entryway

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and exit out of the basement, I mean there was

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a lot of inside knowledge obviously if a perpetratory to

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come in and done this. And welcome Nolan del Campo

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to the show. Good morning, everybody, Good morning, good morning.

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Just got started back on the John Benne Ramsey statement analysis.

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I mean you're talking about one hundred and eighteen thousand,

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which was consistent number with this of business.

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So the.

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Person that is doing the statement analysis says in number six,

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in lines thirteen through sixteen, the writer states, if we monitor,

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we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery

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of the money and hence an an earlier pickup of

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your daughter. The word hence is a formal way of saying. Therefore,

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the writer starts out the ransom note misspelling words, giving

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the appearance he is uneducated. However, his educatational level begins

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to show when he uses words such as hence. This

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author pretty much says, and I think everybody uses hents

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now since this was such a big thing back in

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nineteen ninety six, I hear a lot of people using hens.

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A word.

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Are you not used at this week? I probably have.

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We should look to see if this word appears in

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any writings of Patsy Ramsey. And then they said, well

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it does. On December fourteenth of nineteen ninety seven, the

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First United Methodist Church in Boulder, Colorado held a memorial

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service for John Bennet. In the program, there was a

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Christmas message from the Ramsey family. This message was also

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posted on the Ramsey family's website. In the message, we

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find the statement, had there been no birth of Price,

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there would be no hope of eternal life and hence

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no hope of ever being with our loved ones. Again,

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I go back and forth on this because I think

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we talked a little bit about hence last week right

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where I said that I'll do an examination and where

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I've never executed a letter or formation in a certain way.

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After studying it, say for three four days, I'll find

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myself actually using that particular structure following that examination when

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I know I've never used it before or so it's

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almost as if it gets ingreened at your head and

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becomes part of your arsenal, if you will. And I

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would have to say that she probably read this note

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a million times, even after you know, John Beney was found,

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probably trying to just rationalize what this note was saying.

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Uh So, yeah, I think that it was just there.

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I don't think there's any aspect of that word.

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Honestly, what do you mean aspect?

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I don't think there's anything that uh, I mean, there's

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nothing particular to me that seems would be with that word,

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because I mean, I use that word, and.

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I think that had this been a Christmas greeting from

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the year previous to her dying, then that would throw

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suspect on them. But since this is a year after

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her death and they've read this word hence in this

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letter who knows how many times, makes you feel as

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though it could just have been. And of course we

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are also using christ language, right, God language. I don't

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know how to say this correctly because I'm just not

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a Christian. I'm not a religious person spiritual with the earth,

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got this, but nope, this religious stuff is really kind

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of just to be another organized money maker. But I

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feel like hence is actually used right in that terminology,

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like in the Bible, may or may not have significance, don't.

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I don't like Lindsay saying I don't see the importance

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of it. Really doesn't really stand out to me. No,

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For something that somebody picked out about what she wrote

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a year after her daughter had died, that has no

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importance to me. Had, like I said, had that been

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the message the year before, then we might be talking

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about something. But even then, because they are such high

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influential people, obviously with John Maney and all the pageants

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and all followers and these kind of things, even if

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they had done it ahead of time, that would have

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been something another piece of insight information somebody may have

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already known about her before writing this note, right Yeah, Well,

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he goes on to say, the word hence is a

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transition word. You do not have to use the word

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and with it. For example, the arcade was closed, hence

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I spent my money at the mall. The writer of

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the ransom note used the phrase, and hence in their

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Christmas message, the Ramseys used this same exact phrase. Had

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there been no birth of Christ, there would be no

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hope of eternal life and hence no hope of ever

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being with our loved ones again again. They read this

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in this note go ahead, Nolan, Oh, that's all right.

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I just tried to kick my mom called I get

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rid of her. Oh, I was like, I also feel

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like when we were dealing with the Zodiac that he

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used a lot of non uh not need. He used

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a lot of phrases that were not needed. So we

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was basically double staying and doubling down on things and

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statements in his own messages. So this is no different

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to me. And like using the word rather and you know,

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these these pretentious words that aren't necessary in the sentence

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because the sentence works without it, And we seen a

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lot of that in the Zodiac, so this wasn't too

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far off that mark.

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Well, and you don't, I mean, I've never seen anybody

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use and hands.

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Well, that's because they mean the same thing.

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And of course, once again we're going back to the

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fact that they've read this message about their daughter a

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million times. I'm sure.

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Yeah, he around somebody all the time and they say

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a certain saying like dude, then you're gonna eventually start

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saying dude because you've been around them so much. I

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mean I've picked it up from my kids.

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So, right, what was Yeah, there was one that people like, uh, irregardless. Right,

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So the people say irregardless when that's not even technically

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a word, it's regardless because irregardless pretty much means the

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same thing regardless, like, and so yeah, I see people

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using that, and that's because again, like you just said, lindsay,

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they listen to other people say it a lot of times.

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And I used to actually say irregardless like way back

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in the day, but learned that that was not the

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correct way to state that word, and since have removed that.

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So now I do get a little chuckle every now

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and again when I hear somebody say irregardless, but I

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want to correct them. Not my place, you guys, roll

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with it. If you haven't learned it yourself, you're not

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going to learn it from me. As a journalist. I

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learned early, long earlier on not to use irregardless.

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Right, Well, And I was I was a that took

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ap English in high school, and I took Advanced English

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in college. So I'm like, I'm a writer too, So

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I mean, I can't stand it. It draws me.

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Notes when somebody says, yeah, I just.

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Forget something's not right in the Senate. I'm like, oh

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my god, why did they do this? Like that's really

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the first thing I do.

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Mine's editing. So if I read something that's not correctly

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stated or has misspellings or the use of the incorrect words,

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it drives my mind crazy. I can no longer focus

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on what I'm supposed to be reading because I get

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all caught up in their edits. And then I'm mad

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that I'm having to read this with edits, and I'm

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I'm done. I don't even want to look at it anymore.

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But I'm sure I have plenty of edit issues in

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my presentation. I'm sure of it. I've seen many. None

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of us are above it. So he goes on to

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say the writer started to say that upon receiving the money,

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he would delivered John Bennet to her parents. He then

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realized that a kidnapped kidnapper would not deliver the hostage,

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but would tell the authorities where she can be found.

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I thought that was a very interesting point there, because

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you're right, the who's going to show up with this

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kid in person and take the chances of being arrested yeah,

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or is there your I Kennedy revealed at at minimum, Yeah,

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what are you even gonna say? I gave her to

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a friend like that friend isn't gonna go down until

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they cough you up. Come on.

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In their Lifetime movies and they're like, Okay, well i'll

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drop I'm dropping her off at the fire department.

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If you do right, Yeah, you're gonna drop her somewhere

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and tell her where she can be found, which is

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basically what he's saying here. He says, Therefore, it's such

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a long letter and it's just a rust. Yes, it's

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just weird. I think that's what made everybody want to

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look at the Ramsays because it was I mean, it's

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something you had to sit around and have time to do.

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But I feel like that's prime frame in which she

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discovered the note and called the police. She didn't heed

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or pay attention to the note that said do not

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contact the police. It's literally what she did do. So

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I mean, if you're telling me that she called all

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of her friends, got all of her friends over there,

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and then they all sat around trying to put together

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this note to get the Ramsays out of trouble again,

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I think you have some issues with that philosophy. It

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just doesn't get any water well.

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And it's like constantly the person that's writing it is

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constantly explaining, constantly.

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Right and over explaining the over disclosures. So he goes

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on to talk about this whole we would deliver, and

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of course this word was then I believe, crossed out,

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so he said, therefore he changed it to pick up.

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So first he said we'll deliver her, then he classed

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that out and changed it to pick up. It's doubtful

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that a kidnapper would make this mistake. More importantly, the

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e and examination of the author's writing style shows us

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that whatever comes before the phrase and hence is supposed

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to come after the phrase. And hence, so I thought

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this was also an interesting take. They put in here

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that seeing we might call you early to arrange an

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earlier delivery of the money, and hence a earlier delivery.

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But then he crossed that out pick up of your daughter.

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And so the author in this letter is using it

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correctly right, it's before and after. And in their book

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The Death of Innocence, Patsy Ramsey addresses the use of

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the phrase and hence she says, actually, I have no

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idea why we use that phrase. Maybe we'd seen it

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so many times in reading the ransom note and having

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to write it over and over again for the police,

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that it became part of our subconscious vocabulary. She is

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one hundred percent correct. I just described this as a

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document examiner. It says, who knows? Then again, maybe people

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everywhere use the phrase and hence every day of the week,

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because it's a normal part of the English life, which,

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as Lindsay mentioned, it says, like I said, when was

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the last time you used that phrase? This guy wants

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you to believe that it's just not something that's often used,

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so he goes on to say it is not part

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of the normal English vocabulary. Patsy Ramsey does not tell

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us why they used the phrase Hello Da. Did you

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not just hear her say? She only says maybe it

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is because they saw it in the ransom note and

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had to write it several times for the police. She

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then asked a question who knows? She doesn't know it

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is I literally didn't know why I used that formation

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the next day when I know that was not in

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my writing arsenal the day before, or you know, previous

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to that examination says, she is trying to sweep this

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under the carpet, as if it is no big deal. However,

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this is a very big deal. We have the same

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phrase that is in the ransom note appearing in their writings.

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On October twelfth of two thousand, the Ramseys did a

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webcast interview with I'm sure that's not our governor right.

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In the interview, John Ramsey makes the following statement, the

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justice justice system is a government organization, ding ding ding,

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and hence should be looked at with some degree of skepticism.

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Many Ramsey supporters believe the Ramseys did subconsciously adopt the

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phrase and hence found it in the ransom and found

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it in the ransom note. It says, Okay, I will

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admit it as possible, but let's take a look at

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the phrase. And hence, when we look at the original

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ransom note, we find the writer had crossed out a word,

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and that's the word delivery. We see the same writing

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style in the Ramsey's Christmas message. Had there been well,

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we've already read that, and hence no hope of ever

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being with our loved ones again. So the Ramsey supporters

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would have us believe that the Ramsey's not only adopted

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the word hence, they also adopted the phrase and hence

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oh my god. And they also adopted the killer's writing style,

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but not probable. So he doesn't seem to understand is

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he's trying to bifurcate the two words. That is exactly

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how it was written in the note.

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It seems like to me, is what So a lot

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of cops do this, A lot of cops and investigators,

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like with a case, they know their correct protocol to

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look at every angle, but it's like a lot of

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times they don't, and they are they are phyxiated on

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on one group of people or one person, and then

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that gets distraction from everything else. So then like they're

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so focused that they try to fit the puzzle pieces

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together that will not fit in together, but they try

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to fit them. It's like they force them. And so

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that seems like what they're doing here, and it's like

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they're forcing it to fit there what they think, even

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though it may not be for any nefarious reason, because

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most of times it's not. I mean, there are of this,

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but I mean you gotta if you think about it

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as you it puts yourself in that chair like then

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you can see what I'm saying. Like you, you wanted

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to be this because you want to be the one

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that solve it. But you can't be like that. And

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so that's where they messed up.

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I think, well, I mean, when this guy tries to

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say that and hence is something that you know is

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their writing style. Once again, they read and hent they

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read and hence as many times as they read the

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word hence in this note, right, had they never seen

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this note, had this note never been you know, something

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that they located inside of the house and they had

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never seen the and hence statement, then it becomes very

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significant that you find them using it in everyday life

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or communications, because that is in fact the way they write.

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But in this particular case, and hence it goes together.

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So why this author is trying to, you know, state

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that it's bifurcated and the fact that that it's together

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makes that more significant when that's exactly how they read

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it a probably one hundred million times, who knows how

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many times she had to write this note. That will

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also instill the nhance into your arsenal. I tell people

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that when I'm a wordy, so when I learn a

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new word. I want to say it as many times

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possible in a proper sentence throughout the week, so that

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it becomes a part of my arsenal. And I they

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say twenty one times makes a habit, right, So how

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many times has she a read this and wrote this?

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And I'm pretty sure that it's likely more than twenty

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one times, which would now have instilled it in her arsenal.

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I think the author has just got it backwards, like

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if the timeframes are swopped or they never saw this letter,

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then yes, that would be significant. But to me it

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simply is not. And again it's an overuse or word

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salad if you will. That's what I called a zodiac right.

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He'd use multiple words in a single sentence, and some

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of them weren't necessary, but they basically meant the same thing. Well,

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all that takes us to fat Cat. I don't know

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if you guys, what is your perception of fat cat? O?

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God?

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Mm hm, someone that's the rich? Yeah, in kind of

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a what's what's the word over the top A little

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bit yep, this little version of this fact.

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I want to know that that that they have money

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and power, right well, or want somebody to know or

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that's somebody's perception of.

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Right yea. And with a lot of the things that

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I did with the Zodiac, I would look up some

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of the phrasing. You know, we found a lot of

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it to be very Southern. Some of it originated actually

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from love Att, Texas, where Jack originated himself. So of

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course I ran a look up to see what fat

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cat meant. I mean, I figured fat cat was just

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somebody with money. Doesn't necessarily mean you're fat, but you're

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pretty much hopping all over town just whipping out that cash.

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So when I looked it up, I was kind of

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it was very interesting to see the makeup and background

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of that statement. So fat cat is that the term

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that I looked up from Wikipedia, which is the free encyclopedia,

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and it says fat cat is a political term originally just.

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Go ahead, I'm trying to find something. Go ahead, keep going.

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Oh okay, So it says fat cat is a political

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term originally describing a rich political donor, also called an

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angel or a big money man. So I found that

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to be extremely interesting because we are saying that these

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are politically driven, you know, murders, some of these are

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legitimately like to stop somebody even in their tracks of

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you know, running for a particular office, as we've seen

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with some of these governors or senators that have lost

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their children. I think that John Ramsey is probably right

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up there with the amount of money that he was making,

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it says. The New York Times has described fat cats

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as symbols of a deeply corrupt campaign finance system riddled

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with loopholes. How' that one make you feel?

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Oh? Yeah, he is exactly what they just described. But

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there's another word that was used in political Im trying

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to find it.

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No, but I'm just trying to cover the words that

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are actually in this particular ransom note in fat cat

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was one of the ones they used. I just thought

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it was very interesting to note that it is a

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symbol of a deeply corrupt campaign finance system riddled with loopholes.

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That kind of like runs right up the alley of

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this whole theory that we've got this group that's working

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for you know, the mob, the syndicates, the media, politicians,

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or at least make creating a narrative for somebody who's

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in power.

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Right, Yeah, that's exactly what this whole thing is.

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With Americans seeing them as recipients of the perks of power,

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but able to buy access and influence policy, and even

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veto appointments. It is commonly used to describe a rich,

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greedy person who, due to ownership of large amounts of capital,

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is able to live easy off off the work of others.

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In the UK, it is also used to refer to

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executives whose pay is deemed by others to be excessive.

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The word was first used in the nineteen twenties in

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the United States to describe rich political donors. The terms

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coinage for political purposes has been attributed to Frank Kent,

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a writer of the Baltimore Sun, whose essay fat Cats

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and Free Rids appeared in The American Mercury, a magazine

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of commentary run by H. L. McKennon. And Kent wrote

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a fat cat as a man of large means and

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no political experience, who, having reached middle age and success

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in business, and finding no further thrill of satisfaction in

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the mere pilling piling up of more millions, develops a

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yearning for some sort of public honor and is willing

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to pay for it. The machine has what it seeks

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public honor, and he has the money. The machine needs

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the nineteen sixty kss right. The nineteen sixty campaign for

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the Democraocratic nomination to the presidency was marked by competition

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between fellow Senators Hubert Humphrey and John F. Kennedy. Their

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first meeting was in the Wisconsin primary, where Kennedy's well

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organized and well funded campaign defeated Humphrey's energetic but poorly

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funded effort. Humphrey objected to the media, the Kennedy forces

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are waging a psychological blitz that I cannot match. I'm

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not the candidate of the fat cats. A nineteen seventy

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two book by sociologist G. William Domhoff titled fat Cats

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and Democrats Interesting They put those together contrasted the Democratic

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parties perceived populism with its funding structure. In dom Hooff's view,

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the short of a nationwide system of public financing for candidates,

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it seems likely that wealthy fat cats will find one

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way or another to finance the candidates of their choice.

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The campaign finance reforms following the Watergate scandal greatly reduced

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the amount of money that individ jewels could contribute to

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a political campaign. In the words of Ben J. Wattenberg

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the fat cats were driven from the temple. That's certainly

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not true. They're just now taking the money more quietly, right, Huh.

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I don't think any of this funding is.

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What does it say? What does it mean when they're

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taking it from the temple? Like, what is it? A

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figure of speech?

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Were driven from the temple kind of like the evil

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cast out by God? I would think, right, the temple,

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I would think would be like church or or something

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like that. Fat cats were driven from the temple. And

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obviously it's a derogatory term.

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And who finds these organizations? Who are the donors?

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That's that's that well, it would be like Trump facilitating

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the Clintons administration, right, he was a heavy donor donor

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to their.

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But but we know about those donors. But I'm talking

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about other donors for corporations uh that are.

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Uh, they're looking for their agenda to be hass their legislation.

463
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:03.599
Do you know they're trying to get their person into

464
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:07.279
office so that they can somehow affect laws. Do you

465
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:08.920
have your hand up or are you waving off your

466
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:23.039
mom again? Yeah? No, I think that it literally boils

467
00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:25.039
down to I think it's kind of like this whole

468
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.839
thing we had with the redistricting that was going on. Clearly,

469
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:30.960
the you know Democrats were willing to shut down America

470
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:33.200
and start America if they didn't get these hundreds of

471
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.559
billions of dollars to feed non Americans and foreign affair

472
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:41.119
foreign help. They are so adamant about wanting to do this,

473
00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:45.839
They're willing to detriment the US you know, population in

474
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.039
order to facilitate this agenda, which tells me that this

475
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.519
is very dollar to them. Well, this is very important

476
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:54.599
to them for some reason. If they're willing to starve

477
00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:58.039
us and shut us down over this money they want

478
00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.759
to be able to give to these people, What power

479
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.039
are they getting back from these people? This is a

480
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.920
this is a tip for tat guys. They're not doing

481
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:06.279
this out of the goodness of their hearts. They want

482
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.039
to make it look like they're bleeding hearts that are

483
00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:10.400
wanting to help everybody. But the reality is is that

484
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:13.160
there is some aguenda that's going to be met. They're

485
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.160
going to have to receive light kind benefits from these

486
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.880
individuals that they're pushing so hard for, and the fact

487
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:21.039
that they're willing to demise us over it is just

488
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:24.680
absolutely astounding, and yes, fifty passed.

489
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:30.799
What did yob.

490
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:33.039
Knew someone?

491
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.720
They're trying to be a text our land anytime they

492
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.119
want to. Anytime they want to, they can change the

493
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.160
amount of how much it's being taxed. They're trying to

494
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.559
pass that, and it was like ninety to ten said no,

495
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:50.519
and I was like, oh, yeah, that was never going

496
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:51.920
to pass. Like no, one that was never going to

497
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.720
pass to do that on their land. Well, but they

498
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:56.240
were trying to say that it was going to go

499
00:28:56.319 --> 00:29:00.240
to these fire departments and all these other uh, low

500
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:01.480
funded places.

501
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:05.119
But that's not Yeah, but Newsom is using a primarily

502
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:09.480
democratic state under the rhetoric and the weaponization of the media,

503
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.079
stating that Trump had something to do with this redistricting,

504
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:15.799
when in fact he didn't. The redistricting of taxes which

505
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:20.160
occurred last year was based on the illegal mapping that

506
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:24.240
cut through racial areas, so there was a clear cut

507
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:27.119
and they could see that this was biased against these

508
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:32.079
other races and that's why that redistricting happened. But there

509
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.680
was some rhetoric that was put out there at some point,

510
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:36.440
and it may be fake as well, because we know

511
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.839
the media is completely facilitating the narrative that we see

512
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.240
that the Democrats see, so they get everybody on board

513
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.640
as a Democrat to be mad that Trump is redistricting

514
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.279
and he's jerry Mandarin and he's trying to steal votes.

515
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:51.440
He's not he I guess he made some comment to

516
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:55.119
taxes that give Republicans an extra five seats. Now whether

517
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.119
that was a joke or whether that was even really said,

518
00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.039
we will never know. But that's what they're going to

519
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:02.119
tell the Democrats. Now. The Democrats are running around, let's

520
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.200
redistrict all of our states, and they're doing it as

521
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.079
a tent for tat. They're doing it in an call

522
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:10.279
it a vote and say it's legal. I'm sorry, I

523
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:13.759
just don't buy that. We already voted. And when I

524
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:15.960
was reading it, there's many states that have done it

525
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.359
over the last year. California is one of the very

526
00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:23.240
few that Newsom outwardly says, I'm doing this to gain

527
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:27.799
more Democratic seats to counter any Republican seats that are

528
00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:31.240
gained over here. So he's legitimately the evil narcissist that

529
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:35.160
wants to make things happen, and he asked the public

530
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.440
to do it, and he acts like that's some Legal Act,

531
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.559
and the Dems just don't seem to understand that's not

532
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:43.319
going away. Once we give them that redistricting power, I

533
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.400
highly doubt we'll see a pack And I think even

534
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:50.319
the news is already not describing it correctly because what

535
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:52.960
I read was that did you read the measure? Nolan?

536
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:59.039
Not completely? It said something like five years, So it

537
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:00.799
basically said that this was going to go on for

538
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.000
five years as a temporary thing and be given back.

539
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:04.960
And I knew that that would run them right through

540
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:08.400
Trump's presidency. Obviously. What they're clearly trying to do is

541
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.680
prevent a power poll by Republicans to continue in Senate

542
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:16.759
and Congress with Trump being a Republican in office, which

543
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.519
no big deal. But even my own media I almost

544
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:21.759
even turned off the radio station I love because they

545
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:24.240
said it was only three years. I said, no, did

546
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:25.920
you not read the measure? And why are you telling

547
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:27.039
the public three? It's five?

548
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:28.680
Yeah.

549
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:30.720
I was blown away because when I counted it, out

550
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:34.200
of my mind, that surpasses the next three years of

551
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.160
Trump's presidency. So whatever, either way, it's all dirty, and

552
00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.000
Knewsome did it dirty. Nobody did it dirty, while others

553
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.480
were actually redistricting for legitimate reasons, and who knows the

554
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.759
last time they were redistrict whether or not, that wasn't

555
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.200
something the Democrats had their hands and that gave them

556
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.480
that power to begin with. This is just what we

557
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:53.799
don't know. I mean, nothing is on the up and up.

558
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.119
And you can't take any of this stuff or face value.

559
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:58.319
You just you're listening to the news and you think

560
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:00.599
that they're telling you the truth when back there doing

561
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:02.319
just the opposite.

562
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:04.279
Well, you had your and you have to go back

563
00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:07.480
and do your own research with anything that anyone says

564
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:08.200
at this point.

565
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:09.799
Well, and that's why I did it. And I saw

566
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:11.759
all the other states that were doing and it looked

567
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:14.759
to me that Texas and Florida were doing it based

568
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.119
on inadequacies in the actual districting, and it was unfair

569
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:22.359
to those different races. So it was racially illegal for

570
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.880
them to have mapped those districts that way. Or there's

571
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:29.359
a possibility that even mid decade that the population we have,

572
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:31.880
you know, x amount of people leaving California and going

573
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:34.440
to Idaho and too Florida and they're they're now you're

574
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:38.119
repopulating an area that is going to make those maps

575
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:41.000
districtly incorrect as far as the numbers and the people

576
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:45.359
that it represents. So I think that Florida and Yeah

577
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.640
and Texas were doing it based on those guidelines, and

578
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.000
everybody else just decided, oh, we're going to get in

579
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.359
on this. But I think that the the one that

580
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.240
was really wrong was the one out there saying we're

581
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:56.680
going to prevent the gerrymandering when that's exactly what you

582
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.920
were doing, and California freaking bought it. What a bunch

583
00:32:59.920 --> 00:33:04.440
of sheeples. Anyways, During a nineteen ninety seven thousand dollars

584
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.599
per plate dinner at the Hilton Washington for the Republican Party,

585
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:11.599
Oh funny that we go there, which The New York

586
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:15.200
Times dubbed a lucrative display of the resilience of big

587
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:20.400
money campaign fundraising, street protesters calling for further reform, dressed

588
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:26.279
in fat cat costumes enchanted, hey, hey, ho ho, corporate

589
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.599
fat cats like Tim Gurlick have to go. In the

590
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.240
two thousand and eight Democratic race, a group of wealthy

591
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:35.440
backers of Senator Hillary Clinton wrote to Speaker of the

592
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:40.640
House Nancy Pelosi, warning her they might withdraw financial support

593
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:45.039
for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee of Pelosi if did

594
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:47.920
not change her position on whether the party's super delegates

595
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:51.880
should support the party's pledged delegate leader. According to the

596
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:55.759
Center for Response of Politics, the signers included donors such

597
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.319
as HAMS. Saban and Robert L. Johnson, and had given

598
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.559
the party new twenty four million since two thousand. So

599
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:04.839
see where where did we cut off? Where do we

600
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.360
cut off how much money a person can donate? I

601
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.559
mean exactly here, that's a lot of money from one

602
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:16.840
two entities. In response to the grassroots Liberal Political Action Committee,

603
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:20.920
move ON called the move the worst kind of insider politics,

604
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.119
billionaires bullying our elected leaders into ignoring the will of

605
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.840
the voters, but reassured members that when all pull, when

606
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:30.960
we all pull our resources together, we're stronger than the

607
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:32.679
fat cats.

608
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:36.719
So let me tell you something about the donors, because

609
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:42.119
it does tie into this into everything. So, so another

610
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:48.440
way that they have been money laundering is through donors

611
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:54.960
and under disguise of donating money to other countries and

612
00:34:55.079 --> 00:35:00.800
other corporations that are tax free, even not tax free.

613
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:03.679
That's literally how they've been doing it. They've been they

614
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:06.000
so they don't go They probably still go through the

615
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:09.679
banks like they used to do with Bush. But and

616
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:13.559
back in yeah, you know senior Bush days. But they

617
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:16.320
caught onto the bank thing. So it's like, okay, well

618
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.559
we go to now we're that. Then they go to

619
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.880
uh doing it through donate donors.

620
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:26.320
But with they would they well in their private right,

621
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:28.519
so you're not knowing who's donating the money. They're not

622
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:30.159
telling you, So that that.

623
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.599
Well, and they can only tell they can tell you

624
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:34.519
if they choose to which a lot of them do.

625
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:35.159
There.

626
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.639
You can go out there and look and see different

627
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.599
corporations who donates what, and it will list, but then

628
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:44.039
they'll also say, uh, it'll also list ones that are private,

629
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:45.159
but it just says private.

630
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.239
Well to me, this whole measure fifty thing is exactly

631
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.920
what I've been saying that. You know, this country was

632
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:56.199
built on illegal monies and gains. A lot of these

633
00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:59.320
families that are the high flute and rich individuals that

634
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.760
own pretty mu much everything. Their money in the beginning

635
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:06.280
was made illegally, and then they turn around and became

636
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:11.119
politicians with that money. They legitimize themselves in legitimate businesses

637
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:13.119
if you want to call it that, and then turn

638
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:17.119
around and run for political realm, and so that they

639
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:20.360
can change the legislation to benefit themselves, so they're no

640
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:23.159
longer breaking law. And that's basically what I saw with

641
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:26.840
Measure fifty is that he has now created a legal

642
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.679
avenue to break the law and do exactly what he

643
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:35.199
shouldn't be doing, which is changing things specifically so specifically

644
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:39.320
create these democratic seats in order. But he's using it

645
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:44.559
as what he declares as a way to counteract or

646
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.840
counterbalance what it is that the Trump group is doing. Well.

647
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:51.440
Trump did not redistrict Texas guys. Maybe maybe he did

648
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:53.480
ask for an extra five seats, but who knows if

649
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:55.400
he'd have gotten them. Asking for him and getting them

650
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.039
is completely do different things either way.

651
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:02.199
We can see it's that was very toud of it

652
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:04.719
with them, with the politicians, and.

653
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.519
Well, I look at money, I look at things that

654
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.639
our forefathers had anticipated and expected that there would not

655
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:12.920
be any monopolies. This was going to give everybody the

656
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.039
fair right to make or break themselves in America doing

657
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:18.360
whatever it is that they want to do. When the

658
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:21.519
reality is is that you have, you know, one person

659
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.320
who owns all of the cable companies, or at least

660
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:29.000
a cable company in every single state. But they give

661
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.360
it a different name. So this is how they figured

662
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:35.119
out to overcome that monopoly situation is we'll just create

663
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:37.920
a law that says, if we name it something else,

664
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:40.239
call it something else, run it as a separate entity

665
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:42.960
in a different state, we can then monopolize the entire

666
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.119
United States in every state or city within with the

667
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:49.519
same exact business, making us a monopoly, but we call

668
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.880
it something else. So they just create a law so

669
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.679
that they're no longer breaking law, but they're benefiting and

670
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.679
making money from it. And that's why they're that's why

671
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:01.320
they're yeah, supporting different you know, political agendas or people

672
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:03.599
to get them into office so that they could create

673
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.400
the legislature that's going to then make them even more legal.

674
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:12.719
But it's all based on illegal Everybody out there, I

675
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:13.199
don't know what.

676
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:16.960
Why do they keep passing all these laws, Like okay,

677
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:24.719
one of the first children's laws was made by John Walsh.

678
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.639
But but he's that law is supposed to be against

679
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:33.119
it's not for It's not like he create a law

680
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.079
that now allows him to be a pedophile. But that's

681
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:38.480
what I'm saying is happening in some of these cases,

682
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:41.639
especially with it you know, monopoly and businesses and one

683
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:42.719
person running.

684
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:46.000
Does it actually does the systems they use.

685
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:48.280
Helps them?

686
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.920
Yeah, you identify right?

687
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:57.199
Yeah, well yeah, it will help them to identify missing children.

688
00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.000
I mean, well, it was supposed to help.

689
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.480
Identify missing ones that aren't missing.

690
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.400
It did, I think initially when the program came about,

691
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.960
let's fingerprint your kids and get a DNA swab and

692
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.280
let's do all of this stuff, it literally legitimately did

693
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:18.000
help to identify children all across the United States. Maybe

694
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:24.400
just imagine what. Yeah, So, to finish off the fat

695
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.960
Cat series, it says the word has since acquired a

696
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:32.840
meaning of rich, powerful person of possibly undeserved wealth. Now,

697
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:38.039
why would he call himself that, right? Why would he

698
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:42.960
or Patsy refer to themselves as somebody that's rich, powerful

699
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:45.920
and undeserved of their wealth. Because I'm pretty sure that

700
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:49.440
John Ramsey believes that his visits, well, I had read

701
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:53.840
some things that indicated he had sold an outdated software

702
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:59.280
program to Lockheed was that I think it was, and

703
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:03.960
that the technology was due to change. So he's selling

704
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.320
them an old version of it. And evidently that was

705
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:10.440
a government contract for big money. And you were, yeah,

706
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:12.440
you had some people that were pissed off in the end,

707
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:14.840
and maybe that could have been one of the reasons

708
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.400
that he, you know, suffered the loss that he suffered.

709
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:22.320
Either way, it says in the British media printed media,

710
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.800
a fat cat is usually depicted as a fat a

711
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:30.559
cat faced, clad in pinstripe suit. That's to me, mob, corpulent,

712
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:34.559
middle aged man holding or smoking a thick cigar, representing

713
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:38.239
a Venyl banker or a high earner executive or captain

714
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:39.679
of an industry.

715
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.159
And just describes literally all of them.

716
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:44.679
All of them if.

717
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.000
You think about it. They want you to think, there's

718
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:49.599
all these separate groups. Okay, you at the mob, the mafia,

719
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:54.159
the cartel, this, that, But these groups that are separate

720
00:40:54.239 --> 00:41:01.559
cannot cannot function house without each other, without each other, yes,

721
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.800
and without communicating with each other exactly. Yep.

722
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:11.119
So I have the Charla Void, Michigan address, I believe,

723
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.679
which was the Ramsey home. We I mean, we'll talk

724
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.760
about them not here in a second, But I don't

725
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:22.440
think that that eight year old Burke could have executed

726
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.800
that Garrett or that type of thought. She was found

727
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.079
covered in a white blanket and it was supposedly her

728
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:31.000
favorite blanket, which has also been perceived as a message

729
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:34.360
of comfort. Usually, when somebody feels guilty or you know,

730
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.159
feels remorse for something that they have done, they will

731
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.679
you know, cover usually the face of the individual that

732
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.400
they've killed. I've seen in many cases. But to provide

733
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:45.800
them with some type of comfort also indicate some type

734
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.519
of a personal connection or that that person didn't really

735
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:51.440
want to commit that crime. Maybe that individual was being

736
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.800
forced to and then subsequently felt bad about it, but

737
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.320
was going to give her something of comfort which happened

738
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:59.239
to be her And either she was holding onto that

739
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.000
blanket when he stole We're from her bed, or he

740
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:03.360
was aware of the fact that that was the favorite

741
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.800
blanket on the Oh yeah.

742
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.960
Was was was Jack in the navy?

743
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:19.440
Yes? Yeah, So I lost you? I lost your sound?

744
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:30.480
Is it me, Nolan? Are you there? I'm here, yes, okay.

745
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.559
So I've just lost her. I don't see her, okay,

746
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:36.599
so she's probably gonna have to come back on. So

747
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.320
I lost that sound, okay.

748
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.079
So that not is identical, uh, to the the one

749
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.840
that was created in the Ramsey case, to the ones

750
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.119
the same exact way typically of that are that sailors

751
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:51.880
are taught in the Navy.

752
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:53.760
And do you know the name of that not, because

753
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:55.679
that's something I've been on the search for. Did you

754
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:59.519
figure out what that knot was? I haven't.

755
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:00.760
I haven't. Somewhere can.

756
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:04.480
We're gonna look at some of the knots I've been collecting,

757
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.639
because of course this obviously intrigued me. And any place

758
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:10.159
that I go where they have fishing or crab or whatever,

759
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:13.119
they usually in those types of restaurants will have great, big,

760
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:17.199
huge framed versions of all different types of nautical knots.

761
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:21.199
So we'll look at that in the second let's see

762
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:25.679
so January thirty, first, twenty ten, mister David Temlack, South Carolinia,

763
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:31.280
Myrtle Beach, Roadrunner Holding Company LLC and Time Warner Entertainment Company.

764
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:33.159
I have no clue why this is in here, but

765
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:35.360
I must have done some research that led me in

766
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:39.480
that direction. I don't know what that was about. Huh

767
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:44.199
okay anyways. Outsiders and intruder theories. The intruder theory suggests

768
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:47.360
an unknown individual entered the Ramsey home and committed the crime.

769
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:50.920
Supporters of this idea point to the unidentified DNA found

770
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:54.840
at the scene. Several individuals in the Ramsey social circle

771
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:59.920
were investigated, including family, friends, and household staff. No concrete

772
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.480
evidence linked to any of these people to the murder.

773
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.039
Some theories focused on a plausible pedophile ring targeting child

774
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:12.760
beauty pageant contestants. These claims remain unsubstantiated. Law enforcement explored

775
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:15.800
connections to other unsolved child murders in the area, but

776
00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:23.480
no definitive links were established. Later confessions gosh, we're about

777
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:25.519
five minutes in. Let's just go back with this whole.

778
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:28.719
I know that you believe that there's a possibility that

779
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:32.480
the Ramses know more about what occurred or happened to

780
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:36.559
their daughter. Is that correct? Lindsay, oh, yeah, so the

781
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.119
pedophile ring. While I had heard that, I'm sure everybody

782
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:41.000
heard that, but you would have probably read that in

783
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:43.480
like the Esquire or the Star magazine or some of

784
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:46.280
these not So they want you to believe not so reputable,

785
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.800
right rags and tabloids, when reality is there's probably some truth,

786
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.719
maybe just a grain, but that they surround it by

787
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:58.119
something so sensational that it makes it look unbelievable. Right, Ye,

788
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:04.199
So I think that there's a huge possibility, obviously, and

789
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.719
that even lends to the fact of later Confessions where

790
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.280
John Mark Carr confessed to John Bennese murder in two

791
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.920
thousand and six, attracting a significant media attention. His DNA

792
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.280
did not match the evidence from the crime scene, and

793
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:20.000
his confession was deemed false. So we have another person

794
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:24.280
here with inside information such as the ransom note contained, right,

795
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:26.719
whether he was force fed this or not, we are

796
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.480
going to definitely talk about him next week because as

797
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.880
we go into this stuff, he was literally busted and

798
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:37.880
e jailed for child pornography on his computer at school

799
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:41.800
where he worked. So we will get into and that

800
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:45.079
touch base obviously, right, that drew half of America over to,

801
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:46.599
oh it's a pedophile ring.

802
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:52.320
Well, and why does this happen so much? They bring

803
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:56.840
in this food, they think, oh, he might have done it,

804
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:58.800
and then oh, well he didn't do it. But we

805
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.480
found poor in his house, We found porn on his bone, We.

806
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:04.239
Found no, no, no, no, no, no, there was porn. There

807
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:08.599
was porn found on his computer in two thousand and one.

808
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:15.239
I'm saying, I'm saying there's a many of them like this, many.

809
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.800
No I know, no, I know. I'm just saying that

810
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.280
this is a patsy that they used. I think not

811
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:23.400
only to not only to perpetuate the Anthrax mailings in

812
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:26.360
Malaysia and Thailand, which is exactly where he absconded to,

813
00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:29.880
but also to perpetuate the thought or concept that the

814
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:33.320
Zodiac was overseas and no longer in the US. And

815
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:35.480
we're going to show that through the different letters as

816
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.880
we come to the end of this year presentation. We'll

817
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.800
look at letters to Tom Voight, We'll look at the

818
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:44.480
mailing of the Anthrax letters. Well, we'll look at a

819
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:46.000
lot of this stuff and how it all kind of

820
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:50.719
ties together. But John Mark Carr was under arrest, and

821
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.519
he was in jail, and for some reason, forty five

822
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:56.639
days before his trial, was released on his own recognisance,

823
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:00.320
either to go get his affairs together or whatever it was.

824
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:02.079
I mean, you don't put this man in jail for

825
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:04.079
almost eight months and then let him go forty five

826
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:06.639
days before his trial and then he leaves the country

827
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:11.639
only to return after the Zodiac has passed away, and

828
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:15.079
all these other things that he has been tied to

829
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:17.480
kind of put this little ball into a neat little

830
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:18.320
circle for us.

831
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.119
It says Dean who George zen.

832
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.079
Is No, I have not not yet, and I don't

833
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:27.880
think we have enough time to kind of cover that.

834
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.480
We're down to our last couple minutes. But I'm going

835
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:33.320
to finish reading this slide hopefully, and then we'll go

836
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:35.639
to las Yeah, this slide, and then we'll go to

837
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:39.440
last minute statements. Other individuals have come forward over the

838
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:42.559
years claiming responsibility for the crime. None of these confessions

839
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:46.639
have been substantiated by evidence. Some armchair detectives and online

840
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:50.239
sluice continue to propose new theories and potential suspects. These

841
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:54.639
claims are often speculative and lack solid investigated. Backing authorities

842
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.880
remain open to new leads and continue to investigate credible

843
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:02.679
information in their efforts to solve the Cave. Related Okay

844
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:07.079
genealogy research says that genetic genealogy has emerged as a

845
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:11.199
powerful tool in criminal investigations. This method combines DNA analysis

846
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:16.760
with traditional genealogical research to identify potential suspects or relatives.

847
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:20.599
Law enforcement agencies now have access to vast genetic databases.

848
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:24.000
These resources will allow investigators to trace family trees and

849
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:28.719
find distant relatives of unidentified DNA samples. In this ongoing

850
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:30.760
case of the John ben A. Ramsey, they have known

851
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:33.960
about these DNA We caught the Golden State killers several

852
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:36.559
years ago. Now why have they not applied? Why do

853
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.119
we not have results? Why haven't they told us through

854
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:43.119
this DNA matches at least genealogical at this point? How

855
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.480
have they traced this back and what's going on with it?

856
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:47.800
But I know John Ramsey talked about it in his

857
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:52.239
last docuseriies. So that puts us down to about our

858
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:54.719
last minute. Is there anything either of you would like

859
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:55.199
to add?

860
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:58.000
Okay, So, did you know they're going to do like

861
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:02.760
a Netflix a Netflix documentary like with the reenactment of

862
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:06.400
this whole saga of John Benay and then it was canceled?

863
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:09.679
No, why would they do a ring.

864
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:12.079
Or last month?

865
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.519
So a reenactment over what took place against the Ramseys,

866
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.719
because there's no way to reenact a crime you weren't

867
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:18.000
there for.

868
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:23.280
It was supposed to have. Melissa McCartney is as acting

869
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:23.960
as Patsy.

870
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:28.039
Wow, that sounds more like it's just hype for money,

871
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.159
like they are just going to the unsolved Zodiac case.

872
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:38.320
They're going to keep making money off this unsolved.

873
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.239
What exactly it is? All?

874
00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:41.360
Right? Well, I and I want to hear about George

875
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:44.360
then when we come back. So next week, you guys, everybody,

876
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:46.800
have a wonderful weekend. We will see you next Friday

877
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:49.960
as we continue down the path of more at least

878
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.679
evidence in the John Benny Ramsey case. What we've seen

879
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.920
on the media, in newspapers and in magazines. You guys,

880
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:57.280
take care and have a great weekend.

881
00:49:57.920 --> 00:49:59.079
So yeah, you do

882
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:01.519
Exact