Oct. 24, 2025

Jon Benet Ramsey Murder Rocks the Nation

Jon Benet Ramsey Murder Rocks the Nation
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As with many communications I received during my examination of the Zodiac Killer writings, an anonymous stranger dropped the Ramsey Ransom note off to me via email, and disappeared. The murder of Jon Benet Ramsey was worldwide news that many media outlets profited from. The media was weaponized against the Ramsey family. Boulder police are mostly to blame for false news leaks and the perpetuation of destroying this family. Why? This is the question of the century…

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today. Lindsay mcbrair. Hey, Hey,

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I'm excited we're finally here. I know, I feel like

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every time I do a pre record, I'm so out

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of whack and then so excited when I come back.

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I'm not sure I'm not going to stumble over my

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own words. Oh yeah, Oh my goodness. So we are

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now just going to climb into Nora's diary in nineteen

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well it's the end of nineteen ninety five, of course,

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and it says nineteen ninety six dress begins. So I

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kind of want to remind everybody that the John Binney

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Ramsey note came to me again from an anonymous person

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who slipped in, dropped the letter off, made probably some

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small talk, and was gone and out the door again.

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And when they dropped that letter off, of course, it

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looked much like the Zodiac communications in a lot of ways.

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It had similarities to both the Atlanta, Georgia child killer cases.

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Many of the different notes that we saw the Channel

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nine newsletter. There were just so many different communications that

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the elusive disguised handwriting was consistent with. And when I

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got to the third page, I actually found formations of

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letters that were in fact what I know Jack to

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write like. And I perceived that to be a misdropping

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of letters, if you will, because it literally when you're

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learning to work with disguised handwriting, and especially if it's

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of any type of length, people will naturally revert at

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some point in time back to their own handwriting, unbeknownst

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to themselves, because it's very taxing on the brain to

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keep up a disguise. So when we're working with disguised handwriting,

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we start at the bottom and work backwards. And in

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that very last paragraph on John Benet Ramsey's ransom note,

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we saw some letters that were not consistent with the

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rest of the formations throughout the letter, and they look

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much more natural, which I'm sure everybody will agree once

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we get there. So after examining this handwriting, I took

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it to Dennis and I talked with Dennis about it,

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and he said, no way to net You're wrong. Jack

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could not have been part of this. He was with

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us in California in during Christmas and the holidays, so

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there's no way he could have done this. So I

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kind of took that with a grain of salt. Okay, well,

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maybe there are the people out there that are using

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some of the formations like Jack. I kind of set

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it a side when about my research looking through more

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of the belongings, and I stumbled across this nineteen ninety

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six diary of Nora. So on November eleventh, we know

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that Jack takes the family, Charles and Nora to California

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for the holidays because not only is it Thanksgiving, but

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it's also Charles's birthday. And then of course they were

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to stay all the way through the holiday season, which

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was kind of strange because with Jack's mom in a

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care home, he up and leaves when we know he

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has this kind of perverse love for his mother, where

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he's constantly back there. He wanted to be the man

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of the house at one point when his father died,

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and he wanted to sleep in her bed, was the

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story that I was told. Now, I don't know how

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much of that is true, but it kind of shows

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what they presumed, or at least profiled in the zodiac cases,

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that there was a perverse love for his mother. Yeah,

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so why he would up and leave during the holidays

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of what may potentially be her last holidays on Earth

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kind of sets a different example for me, right, I mean,

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you would think that you would want those last minutes,

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those last moments, And so what we're going to talk

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about in this story also seems a little odd in

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the fact that a he was willing to take the

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family out of the state where Mom is being you know,

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keptain in a nursing home away from her, and into California.

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At the same time he then picks up and leaves.

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And that's what we're going to talk about today. So

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diary is headed by what.

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Right no California for the calf and Charles's birthday on

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November twenty fourth, girl's birthday Birthdake Carl I.

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Don't know why but it seems sounds muffled. I'm not

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sure if if it's just mayor I don't know.

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Is that better? Are you not able to hear me?

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Yeah, yeah, that did it?

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That helped.

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Okay, So Charles's eighteenth birthday, they had birthday cake on

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November twenty fourth and ice cream for Charles. Garrett was

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there at Denny's. And I'm not sure what it's a

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oh Dennis enjoys now. On November twenty seven, three days

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after Charles's birthday, she labels this, Jack had to go

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back to Texas today. Got a fax from Dolores. Granny

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wasn't doing so good. She was combative and confused, wasn't herself.

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Jack was worried about her. He went back. Charles and

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I stayed in California. So that tells a different story.

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Right now, we've got a concern to Jack going back

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to Texas for his mom, but he wasn't to concern

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Jack when he left to take the family away for months,

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not just a couple of days to California. His intentions

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were to stay there all the way through New Year's Eve. Basically,

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So I'm kind of back and forth. And you can

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also see this green writing that's coming up here on

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the right hand side, that literally is bleeding through the

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backside of the paper. We go to talk about, Yeah,

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we're going to talk a bit about that because there's

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some dating inconsistencies in this diary. There's some additions. It

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looks like she literally filled this out after the fact.

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So I'm not sure how well we can actually trust

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some of the information that we're seeing, but i just

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want you guys to know that this was literally it's

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like she goes back and writes a week and a half,

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two weeks later, or even in some cases much later,

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as we're going to see in here, based on the

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way this is set up and that this is being written.

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So I'm believe and it could.

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Be that, like couldn't you know, maybe it's not nefarious,

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because I mean there's been times where I've uh, you know,

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wrote in my journal when I'm journaling and I've forgot

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a couple of days or like a week because I

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just and I just like put it off and put

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it off, and then I'm like, Okay, I gotta go

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back and fill in that.

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You know what I'm saying. But are you feeling back

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in or are you just adding to at that point, saying, oh,

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by the way, last week this happened.

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Well now, yeah, but I feel like I would I

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usually would say forgot to notate what happened this or

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what I found out on this week and this day,

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because I always put the dates on my research and stuff,

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so you know, I would definitely say something on those lines,

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you know.

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Okay, So it looks to me like she almost even

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pre set some dates in here if this were the case,

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because we have the top of the next page of

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the diary on November twenty eighth of nineteen ninety six.

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Then the very next date after that actually says and

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I know you're going to see them more predominant overwriting,

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which is the sixteenth, but this actually says December twenty five,

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nineteen ninety six. Then she goes bashing back. Yes, then

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she goes back and back dates it to the sixteenth.

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And I don't know that this is her overwriting. I'm

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assuming that it is. But again here we see more

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of this green writing that has been obviously added after

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the fact, So she is clearly not even finishing consistent

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thoughts when she writes things down. So it says December

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twenty fifth, And I want to say personally with if

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I wrote down, if she didn't pre write the dates,

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let's say November twenty eighth for Thanksgiving December twenty fifth,

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maybe she thought these were the only entries that she'd

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write in there, and she preached that in but then

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came back and corrected it. So I'm giving some leeway

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here and playing devil's as.

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I was gonna say too, like she maybe just wrote

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down the next dates for her next writings.

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Right, but nobody confuses December twenty fifth, right, now, that's

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not a date we mess up. That is a date.

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So we also see over here to the right, December

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twenty fifth, Christmas Day again, So she wrote down December

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twenty fifth, then came back and wrote the sixteenth. It

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says Jack comes back to California, got sick for two weeks,

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flew and cold. We are staying now. The added part

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after the fact, in a different pen color, is we

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are staying till around one fifteen ninety seven. So Jack,

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and this is one of Dennis's reasonings for why he

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believed that Jack was with him during this whole entire time,

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as he said that Jack got sick and he vividly

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remembers having to move Jack. He actually was evicted from

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his apartment or his place at this particular point in time,

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and he Enjoyed needed to find a new place, and

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on Christmas Eve they were forced to move, and he

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said the first thing he moved was a bed to

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the new place to put Ja in it, because Jack

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was too sick to be up and around and moving.

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So I'm just gonna read the portions of this diary

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and then we'll take it from there. So on November

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twenty eight, Thanksgiving, had dinner at Dennis and Joy's, just

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the four of us, Charles, Me and Dennis and Joy.

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Dennis got mad at Joy. Joy went upstairs, upset. I

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went outside upset. Also a nice dinner ruined. This is

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a very obviously toxic family, always having some types of

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issues or it least me an ability to get along.

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And it doesn't make any sense. Why. Well, I know

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Dennis so.

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Well, and I think that also it has to do

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with so many different things going on, and once that

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it creates conflict, right like so and so's got this,

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and so and says got this, and so one says

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got this. And they're trying to do every like like

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it's like chaotic because if everyone wanted to do something

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or having to do something at the specific tom.

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Well, and it may be in the stress of them

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being evicted and having to get out that you know,

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everybody is upset and fighting. I don't know when they

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received the eviction notice. This seems rather early on November

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twenty eighth for it to be a thirty day notice,

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and they moved on December thirty first, But anything's possible, so.

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Then, and they been on the train. They did it

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on Christmas Eve. That's crazy. That was a main landlord, right,

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I mean, that's the first thought I had, like, wow,

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you can wait till after Christmas.

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You know what's interesting is I'm not even sure that

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her diary reflects this move. But as we go through it,

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I'm rereading it, basically for the first time in about

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ten eleven years since the first time I read it

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and put it into this presentation, I haven't touched it since.

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But so that has been changed. From December twenty fifth

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to December sixteenth, Jack comes back to California, got sick

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for two weeks. On December eighteenth, Dennis and Joy have

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been evicted. Okay, so now we see when the eviction

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from the house on fair Oaks have to be moved

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out in it says in five days, and that would

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have made it. That would have made it before Christmas. Yeah, yeah,

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that had made it. Yeah. See, so there's something really

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wrong with these date sequences. I'm telling you, guys, some

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of this stuff is not making any sense. So December

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twenty second, Jack is at the new house. She's properly

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dated that five days forward. On the twenty second, Dennis

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and Joy and Charles been working round the clock, mostly

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trying to get out of the old house and into

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the new one. Now, Dennis's recollection was that this occurred

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on New Year's Eve. So we are now looking at

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a journal which a she did not do on the

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dates in which it actually occurred. She went back and

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filled in a bunch of stuff, then went back and

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refilled things in and changed dates on stuff. So December

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twenty fourth, got the tree back up, yesterday was up

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in the old house, moved it in the car. Geneva's birthday,

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got her a cake, they came over, went to Connie's.

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I believe it says four get together was good. December

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twenty fifth Christmas Day, Dennis, Joy and Charles gone somewhere.

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This morning, Jack and I went to Dawn's and Eileen's

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I visit a while. We couldn't find anything open for dinner,

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so went home and ate only thing there was to

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eat in the house, top Ramen. Later on, Dennis and

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Joy and Charles opened Let's see if I've got that next. Nope, okay.

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I didn't continue after that because I was really focusing

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in on this particular entry in the diary. But this

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definitely solidifies that Jack was gone for basically a month

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from everybody, we see these calls that are happening to

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Colorado while he's gone. We also see his cell phone tracking.

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We're going to get to here in a minute. So

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the December fifteenth rewritten as December sixteenth again. And I'm

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not sure who makes these types of errors. If Nora

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always wrote in journals, as Dennis said, why did Jack

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only keep nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety six, which

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is a very big you know, read, Harry, I guess

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if you will. For these cases, these prove a move

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and his place of employment. During other unsolved murders, mishaps

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and coincidences, there's enough time while he's gone to create

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the Ramsey Ransom note, which many people have agreed was

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a very lengthy note that was like that likely took

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some time to actually write. And I do know that

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they mentioned that he had started this letter more than

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once on that pad of paper. They were able to

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prove that, probably with an ZDA machine which maps out

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indentations in the paper, so that they could actually see

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that it had been written more than once. We know

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that Jack returns terribly sick, and then Dennis and Joy

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makes that move. Dennis recollects, like I said, moving on

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New Year's Eve. But these these entries differ if you

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if you played with this, and I say, if you

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played with this, if December twenty fifth was the day

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that Jack actually returned, which was Christmas Day, and they

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were given a five day notice that would have them

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moving out on what day? December thirty first.

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Guinness is recollection more valid in the math maths.

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So I'm wondering at what point were these changes done.

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Was this something somebody else executed. Was this something that

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she went back and redid? But her recollection and what

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she wrote down is being written at a time after

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the fact. Obviously, based on what we're seeing. So let's

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see here. So we do still see that the phone

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bill at this point in time is labeled John W.

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Terrence with an E instead of an A. And we

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get to see the phone calls that he's making from

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his cell phone as he's leaving out of California, So Stockton, California, Bakersfield, California,

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this is his normal pathway on down to southern California

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and then he exits off to the east. So we

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also see incoming calls and calls made on a on

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a calling card, which I almost forgot about those darn things,

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but I had to. I'm like, what is cl These

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are calling cards that are being used attached to the

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actual bill or the phone number that Southwest was handling.

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Well, would he do just buy extra minutes?

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Well, I think back in the day when you had

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a calling card, Yes, you would put minutes on the

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calling card or if that call, if you used and

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punched in a particular number, it just automatically build it

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to that phone billy, whether you so you could get

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a calling card at the local liquor store or the

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seven eleven or something like that and put minute on it.

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But if you had a valid account with a cellular company,

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then that calling card number was available for you to use,

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and it just attached it to that bill. And that's

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what we see. Gola was here and of course he's

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John Terrence on here. We're flip flopping back and forth.

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Remember John Jack, John Jack. Here is additional and this

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is the thirtieth through the eighth. We see that there

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are phone calls from the cellular phone that are still

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reaching out to Texas and calling cards that are calling

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out to Texas. So it tells me that at least

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on the eighth of December, that Jack is definitely still

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in Texas. So November and December nineteen ninety six, activity

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I want to see did we have we had Colorado here,

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but this looks like time on December third? And again,

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why keep these cell phone bills? And some of this

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stuff seems rather ridiculous to have kept for.

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If I remember, yeah, keeping it is different, But I

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do remember back in the day whenever I first got

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a cell phone, and before you could put it put

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your paperless, you could do paperless. They would send you

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the bill with all this information on. It was like

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a big I remember the packet was like this big.

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Huge, Yeah, but why why keep this of all things?

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You know what I'm saying. It just doesn't it. He

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didn't keep every bill. We do see the ones he kept,

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but they seemed to be, like I said, red herrings

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that literally flought out his movements and where he's at

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and what he's doing. Just in case, yeah, just in case.

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And of course we also see that there are calls

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still being made to Lacey Washington, which is where Mary

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and her family was, so we know that she is

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not And I had originally assumed that there was a

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possibility that the Boulder Colorado or the Colorado numbers were

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associated with a time frame in which Mary's husband Rick

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was incarcerated in Colorado, in which case she moved to Colorado,

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So I thought, oh, well, there's a chance that he

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could have been dialing them there. But you've now settled

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that for us with your research on the phone numbers

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and by seeing that Lacey was Washington is still being

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called and knowing that that's where a Mary was b

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where Nora was sent to when Jack went back home

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to take care of Mom in her final months or

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year or whatever it was, that they are still currently

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in Washington. Then we see this bill on twelve ten

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of ninety six, which is paid by Jack. He writes

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the date twelve ten, nineteen ninety six, which means he

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is at least still in Texas as of twelve ten,

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nineteen ninety six, and this is to the Nelda Street address.

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Why he's not staying in mom's house, I don't know.

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I don't know if he sold it after he got

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the power of attorney. I don't know why he's in

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any place other than where his mom was living before

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she went into the home either. Yeah, the Southwestern Bell.

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Why did I have this here? Twelve three of ninety six,

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So we have money charges and roaming charges, so obviously

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he is not in his local quality. Yeah, we used

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to have roaming charges on our cell phone. So if you, yeah,

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remember the one down to the Yeah.

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It was like, uh, it would do the roaming if

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you were like in the rural area where.

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There's out of because before there was like specific areas

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in which your cell phone was good and it wasn't

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like it was oh all of California, and you would

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get roaming charges if you were out of that area.

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So on December twenty fifth of nineteen ninety six, John

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Binney Ramsay is found dead in her family home in Boulder, Colorado.

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We're going to talk first about hers, and then I

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want to make a quick comparison to something I do

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believe Jack is involved with, and that is the murder

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of Dagnan in nineteen forty six, which nineteen ninety six

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is almost a fifty year anniversary. And I know that

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we've made some coincidences with one hundred year anniversaries with

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Lincoln and some other assassinations and things like that, but

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I just find this to be super coincidental that it

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is also revolving around what I believe is politics and

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bad people. And again same with the John Bena Ramsey case.

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So John B. And A Ramsey was six years old.

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She was strangled with a tourniquet using a broken handle

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of the paint rush. The brush portion was found in

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Patsy's art supply tub, but the bottom third of the

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paintbrush was never found. So was this taken as a trophy?

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And if it was never found, if she hadn't explained

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that it had already been broken and that piece was

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gone somewhere, I think we would have we would have

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heard about that. That would have been a Oh, she

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knew that paint brush was broken, that's why she tossed

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it into the basement. And then the culprit, you know,

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used another third of it and left the other third behind.

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But there's just stating outright that the bottom third of

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that paint brush was never found, as if it should

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have been beaten on the head, half dressed. The underwear

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that she was wearing too big, She had ligatures on

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her wrist. There are claims that she was sexually violated

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with the object or the paintbrush, or at least a

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portion of it. They had found pineapple in her stomach

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and a bowl of fruit left in the kitchen glass

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with a tea bag found in it. And mind you,

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the Ramseyes indicated they didn't drink tea, so whoever was

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there had themselves a glass of tea, and by all means,

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I found out much later that one of Jack's favorite

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drinks was tea. Suspects by time in the home previous

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to Ramsey's return. The ransom note was found on the

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back stairwell leading up from the kitchen area, and the

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body was found in the basement. There were shoe prints

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that were obtained a suitcase found next to a broken

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window at the basement level. Suspect knew personal information about

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the Ramseys. A sharpie pen that was used was older

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and obsolete than the ones the rest of them found

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in a cup, so evidently the notepad itself and the

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sharpie pen were perceived to have been those of Patsy Ramsey's,

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which was one of the reasons they attempted to blame her,

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But if somebody had spent any amount of time in

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her house, there was also sorry. There was also a

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break in in the Charlevoi, Michigan house in which items

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like a horse rope and other things were found in

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John ben Ay Ramsey's room at that home, which that

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could have been where they had taken the notepad or

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the sharpie pen. Either way, the pen that was found

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to be used on this ransom note was older and obsolete,

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but found in a cup of new sharpie pens, so

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it could have been taken as an older obsolete pen

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from the Charlott Boy house and then dropped at And.

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Is that that's the little girl that she went to

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dance class with?

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Who's that?

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There was another break in of a little girl in

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that area that she went to dance with, that she

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went to dance class with. Is that the same residence.

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In Charlotte Boy? Oh no, not no, Charlotte Boy, Michigan.

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All right, So early on in the presentation I put

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forth a picture that was in Jack's belongings, and it's

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him driving down the highway and in the picture the

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frame that he took of a billboard that mentions the

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nuclear power plant in Charlevoi, Michigan. Charlotte, Michigan is the

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second home of John Ramsay.

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Okay, okay, okay, yeah.

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So you see my connection there. Why is he keeping

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a picture of a nuclear power plant board? And it

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doesn't it's not time consistent with when he was. So

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the picture was color, it was all the things that

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were much newer than the nineteen sixty two sixty three

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time that we know he spent in General Electric in

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San Jose's nuclear power plant. Because we see those pictures

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professionally taken by probably some of the top photographers, because

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they were doing basically a memento of congratulating Jack for

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having created the water waste machine for nuclear waste and

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that they had patented it. So Jack had written on

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the back that they patented that in nineteen sixty two

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sixty three. Clearly black and white photos not consistent with

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this color photo of the Charlotte Boy, Michigan that we found.

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So we have that connection to Charlotte Boy, which again,

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why this picture, why this billboard? Yea, And so let's see.

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And then the house, the house in Charlott Boy, Michigan

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was broken into, and there were items left there that

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did not belong to the family and was not recognized.

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And one of those happened to be like an a lasso,

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a horse rope, and then I'm not sure what other

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things that it's been so long since I actually reviewed

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this case, and Terry Batcher unfortunately lost his right to

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be on this show, but he knows more about this

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case than anybody. So some of the things on here

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are information that he had given me during that time,

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and maybe we'll come across that. So the letter was

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written on a note pad found in the Ramsey home.

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She was covered in a white blanket, and there was

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a rabbit left at the grave. And the rabbit issue

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is brought up because of course we have the white

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rabbit and rabbit issue, Jack rabbit, all the things that

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you know coincide with some of the motives and the

463
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:17.119
communications of uh the zodiac.

464
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:22.200
Now, Louise Spring, you did, you did, and you didn't

465
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:28.440
mention the window, the window thing, the broken window. But

466
00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:32.279
Ramsey said that he had broken it because he got

467
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:34.519
locked out of the house or something, and it was

468
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:37.279
it had been like that. So he was pretty much

469
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.319
claiming that no, that that no one got through there.

470
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:44.920
That's old. And then and then this one investigator is like, oh, well, yeah,

471
00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.480
this is definitely an old break because of the cobwebs

472
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:49.240
and blah blah blah.

473
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:52.359
Right right, but the window in the picture of the

474
00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.079
photographs that are found, we're gonna see, oh, we see it.

475
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:58.559
Actually right here, we can see that this window. Oh, Greg,

476
00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:02.119
go back, we can see the this window is absolutely open.

477
00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:05.599
So I would presume that at any point in time

478
00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:07.559
that they went down there to take those pictures, and

479
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:10.279
they would have taken those pictures. Forensics teach you to

480
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:13.000
take your pictures on your way in so that you

481
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:16.039
don't disturb or mess anything up. Now, if this picture

482
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:18.279
was taken by law enforcement, that windows wide open, and

483
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:21.079
there's a suitcase next to the wall in order to

484
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:23.599
get back up and out and louse Smidt, one of

485
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:28.759
the detectives, was yeah, yeah, he She showed how it

486
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.839
was completely possible to not disturb any of those things,

487
00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:34.359
climb through that window and get inside. Your only issue

488
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:36.680
would be getting back out. And I suspect that that's

489
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.440
why the suitcase, which I believe also had dirt prints

490
00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:45.440
on it, was used for the suspect to get back

491
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.519
out of the house. Now one of the.

492
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:51.279
Real quicks were on the window real quick. Yeah, So

493
00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:54.319
so I brought that up because also in the Darla

494
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:58.319
case in Texas where they say that she killed her

495
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:02.119
kids and then blah blah blah. If we covered last week,

496
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:08.240
there was also a window found broken, but it was

497
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.839
the they used the knife to slit the screen and

498
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:16.400
that and they are they say there's no footprints outside

499
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:20.559
the window, and that that it was pre stage like

500
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:23.559
that because it because then they found the fibers of

501
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:28.200
that screen on the on the knife. So the parallels

502
00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:32.359
to this case. It being in nineteen ninety six, right

503
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:35.160
that little one of their little boys was six, John

504
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:39.400
Benet was six. There's the the numbers. They you know,

505
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:42.680
they used the symbolism. But I just thought that was

506
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:45.359
very weird. A weird parallel, So.

507
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:49.240
I would suppose and I'm only guessing before and they.

508
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:51.920
Also used the weapon inside of a house as just

509
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:55.279
as uh found in John.

510
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:59.200
Yeah, yeah, I would think that it'd be highly complicated

511
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:01.519
from the time that Arley picked up the phone. They

512
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:04.000
said that one of the children would have bled out

513
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:07.200
in six minutes and or in eight minutes, and Darlee

514
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.759
was on the phone with the nine to one to

515
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:13.240
one for approximately six minutes. So they are now accusing

516
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.279
her during that time of having ran and stashed the

517
00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:20.759
sock tipped over things over the top of bloody prints.

518
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.880
Now you're telling me that they staged a window by

519
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:26.279
cutting that screen in order to make it look like

520
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:29.759
somebody has gotten And that's a whole lot of cover

521
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:32.240
up going on inside of six minutes while she's on

522
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:36.920
the phone with the police department. So I'm in shock.

523
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.599
She's bleeding as well, you know, she's near cut to

524
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:44.359
to the ephemeral artery or not I'm sorry, artery in

525
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:48.359
her neck and literally stabbed in the arms. And of

526
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.200
course we saw that the bruising that came from that,

527
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.119
there had to be a massive amount of blood loss

528
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:54.079
form her and we see the blood all over the

529
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:56.880
places she's running around trying to grab towels. So if

530
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.880
she's running around trying to grab towels to assist her children,

531
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:02.039
how is she doing all of this cover up stuff

532
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.960
inside that timeframe? It really doesn't make a lot of sense.

533
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:07.880
But another one of the things that I tracked this

534
00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:10.119
back to was one of the earlier killings during the

535
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.400
Black Dollia era, in which Louise Springer was sexually assaulted

536
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:15.799
with a branch or a stick from a bottlebrush tree

537
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.599
and this cord was used to bind her hands, which

538
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:24.200
is a continued mo We see this use of clothesline cording.

539
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:26.279
This happens to be a parachute cord. I'm going to

540
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:29.599
talk a little bit about that, but as you go through,

541
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.559
you see that them os are just so similar. And

542
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.559
now let's just touch on Dagnan real quick. So Suzanne

543
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:38.400
Dagnan was killed in nineteen forty six. Her father was

544
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.519
one of the CEOs of the Price Administration, or not

545
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:44.839
a CEO, he was just like a head executive of

546
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.480
the Price Administration who set pricing on milk and meats

547
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.279
and things like that. He had been accused of sending

548
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:56.119
rancid meat to the Indians in their reservations, basically starving

549
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:59.759
them to death. There was this whole black market meat

550
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.039
thing going on. There was a lot of politics wrapped

551
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:04.000
around it. We had some butcher out there that was

552
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:08.880
killing somebody and this six year old yeah, yeah, this

553
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:13.240
six year old little girl ends up being beheaded, dismembered.

554
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:17.279
Her body parts are deposited in the storm drains, and

555
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.279
one of those storm drains happened to be on Hollywood Boulevard,

556
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:24.519
which was a cross connection to the bisection done on

557
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:27.680
Black Daulia, who was filmed on Dagnan or near Dagnan

558
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:31.200
Way in Hollywood. So there's just so many things that

559
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.920
are overlapping, like what are the chances that these things

560
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.039
could be happening unless one person knew all of these

561
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:41.319
different mixes. So there was a ransom note also found

562
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:43.599
for Susan Dagnan. She was also a six year old

563
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:47.960
blonde little girl. She was taken from her bedroom window.

564
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.880
They indicated that they left a ransom note in her bed,

565
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.400
and that ransom note indicated we would give her back

566
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:57.400
if you paid her a X amount of money. So

567
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.359
here we also have this ransom note with Susan with

568
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:03.960
John Benny Ramsay, which says they're asking for a ransom

569
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.319
and she'll be returned, but be careful, she may be beheaded.

570
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:12.400
So now they're actually referring to a specific bifurcation or

571
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.480
a bisection that was done to Susan Dagnan and then

572
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:17.960
lo and behold, both of these little girls were dead

573
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.920
by the time the ransom note was even found, so

574
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:24.839
there was never any intention to ransom them whatsoever. It

575
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.759
all makes it look like it's some type of a

576
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.839
setup or cover up in the end. Either way, there

577
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.400
was far too many coincidences, and the fifty year anniversary

578
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:36.519
of these two murders, I'd be so would be.

579
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:38.599
I would like to see both of those ransom notes

580
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:39.440
beside each other.

581
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:43.279
I talk about lipstick killing cases all the way back

582
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:45.480
in nineteen forty five and nineteen forty six, and this

583
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.960
is another timeframe in which Dennis and the FBI told me, Nanette,

584
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:51.599
you can't place Jack in Chicago, Illinois, simply because the

585
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:55.480
handwriting matches. And then I had to three weeks later,

586
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:59.920
fighting from Jack's aunt, that Flova had sold the far

587
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:03.160
in nineteen forty four in Texas and moved to Chicago, Illinois.

588
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:07.640
I can't be that wrong with us then being able

589
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:12.279
to establish the proximity of Jack's mom in Chicago, Illinois,

590
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.880
and the happenstances of these murders, the soul that Lauren

591
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:18.440
swearing them came up with on the writing on the

592
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:22.759
wall in Francis Brown's home, in which case it literally

593
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.240
says you will see more of me, I will see

594
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.519
more of them, And it literally says Jack Terrence's name,

595
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:31.599
not over or under using any amount of letters in

596
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:35.279
that entire message. It all made complete sense. The message

597
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.799
looked like it was definitely written in lipstick, but it

598
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.960
looked like it had been manipulated a couple times, because

599
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:42.960
you can see the scrub marks where ooh, I didn't

600
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:44.839
like that. That looks too much like my writing. Let

601
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.480
me change that up, so it's placed and then rewritten again.

602
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:51.480
And even then when he uses these funky letter formations,

603
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:53.839
they are still consistent with some of the known writing.

604
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.160
Because again I tell you people, when you attempt to

605
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:59.440
disguise something, you're merely diving deep into your own imagery,

606
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.119
your own in your brain, and you're using something that

607
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:05.119
you already use, you just don't think you used it

608
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.680
that day. So that's gonna be your disguise for now.

609
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:12.000
So on December twenty sixth, nineteen ninety six, the John

610
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:16.639
Bene Ramsey ransom note found in the home It says

611
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:18.639
we have double letter spell Now, these are some of

612
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:20.960
the things I notated from it. We have double letter

613
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.719
spelling errors that Jack has and the Zodiac has. We

614
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:27.119
have the unusual splitting of words. The cursive Q was

615
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.880
a home run hit nobody. I've I've never seen anybody

616
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.159
write the letter Q like this, And we did this

617
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:36.639
during the handwriting examination. Gosh, I don't know a couple

618
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.639
thousand slides ago either way. I was showing how the

619
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.840
consistency between the way Jack perceives and writes the letter

620
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.920
Q incursive in the middle of printed writing is identical

621
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.159
to what we see in this John ben A Ramsey note.

622
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.360
And then the writing is like the disguised writing of

623
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.400
the Zodiac and the Channel nine newsletter. Now, we did

624
00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:01.599
have qtie pie, and I guess I know that wanted

625
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:03.599
told me at the beginning or the opening of this

626
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:07.800
that qudie Pie had made a comment on the show

627
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.599
before we'd even started the show, that says Burke did it.

628
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:13.480
And I'm laughing at that now, because I actually have

629
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:18.760
that particular comment from YouTube in the presentation today that

630
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.079
Burke did it. I want everybody to understand something. The

631
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:25.639
entire Ramsey family was cleared of DNA as early as

632
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:28.679
January of nineteen ninety seven, so less than a month

633
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.719
after the daughter's death. DNA had been completed on this family.

634
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:34.400
It did not match the DNA that was found on

635
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:38.320
John Benay Ramsey. Indicates that there is a third party

636
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:42.239
culpability here. I know everybody wants to say Burke did it,

637
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.559
but if he's been cleared, he's been cleared. Now. That

638
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.039
went a second step further. Even though media was weaponized

639
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.079
against the Ramsey family and four years, even to the

640
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.079
detriment of Patsy, who suffered from cancer, I'm sure due

641
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:57.599
to the stress and all of the chaos involved with this,

642
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.639
it spent up every last penny they had. Eneral Electric

643
00:36:00.679 --> 00:36:03.559
came in and bought John Ramsey's business for pennies on

644
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.679
the dollar, and the media helped all of this take place,

645
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.679
where these people were under scrutiny for so many years

646
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.880
that finally in two thousand and eight, Mary which was

647
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.480
I don't recall her last name, hopefully it'll be in

648
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:18.800
here somewhere. She was the DA of Boulder County. She

649
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.599
ran DNA on the Ramseys once again in two thousand

650
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:24.239
and eight with the newer technology and excluded them for

651
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.480
a second time. You guys need to stop putting out

652
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.079
false narratives like the Burke did it, or Dad did

653
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:34.079
it or mom did it. The Ramsey family has been cleared.

654
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:37.719
And when you look at the process of the way

655
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:43.880
the zodiac communications and the murders, the high influential people

656
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.119
who have lost children, that there is something else in

657
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.320
the making here. You have to consider this third party culpability.

658
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:52.719
So I'm going to start now by reading this letter

659
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.440
so everybody stands what this ransom note said. When he

660
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.440
first started to write the ransom note, he wrote mister

661
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:03.559
and missus Ramsey and then decided to change that to

662
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.760
just mister Ramsey. That's an indication that the hit is

663
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:11.199
at John Ramsey, not at Patsy Ramsey. So it says,

664
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:14.400
listen carefully, we are a group of individuals that represent

665
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.800
a small foreign faction. Sounds a lot like anthrax. Guys,

666
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:21.760
We respect your business, but not the country that it serves.

667
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.679
At this time, we have your daughter in our possession.

668
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.599
She is safe and unharmed, and if you want her

669
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.880
to see nineteen ninety seven, you must follow our instructions

670
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:33.760
to the letter. You will withdraw one hundred and eighteen

671
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.800
thousand dollars from your account. One hundred thousand will be

672
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:39.840
in one hundred dollar bills and the remaining eighteen thousand

673
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:42.719
and twenty dollar bills. Make sure that you bring an

674
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:46.559
adequate size attache to the bank. When you get home,

675
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:48.920
you will put the money in a brown paper bag.

676
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.679
I will call you between eight and ten am tomorrow

677
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:55.199
to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting,

678
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.199
so I advise you to be arrested. If we monitor

679
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.119
you getting the money early, we might call you early

680
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:05.559
to arrange an earlier delivery of And I'm going to

681
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.480
pause there for a second because i want to go

682
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.280
back through some of these consistencies again. So we have

683
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.039
the foreign faction, which we know that the anthrax letters

684
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.440
tried to portray that it was a foreign faction that

685
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.920
was involved with that bio warfare, when in fact it's

686
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:23.000
found that it is an American who did it. We

687
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:26.079
respect your business, but not the country that it serves.

688
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:30.719
That's a political reference. She is safe and unharmed. Not true.

689
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.639
She is dead, just like Dagnan before this ransom note

690
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.599
is found. If you want to see her in nineteen

691
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:41.719
ninety sevent she's already dead, so you must follow our

692
00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:45.280
instructions to the letter. Is another Zodiac ploy. You will

693
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:48.079
withdraw one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. This was the

694
00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:51.599
precise amount of a bonus that John Ramsey was due

695
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:55.519
to receive from his company. The fact that they asked

696
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:57.760
from your account one hundred thousand will be in one

697
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.599
hundred dollars bills in the remaining eighteen thousand, twenty dollar

698
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.960
bills is kind of like the instruction given in the

699
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:07.199
Susan Dagnan note, in which he asked for specific denominations

700
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.639
of the ransom money that he was asking for. Make

701
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:14.760
sure that you bring an adequate size attache. Now at

702
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:17.239
A has been used in a couple communications, one of

703
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.920
them being the real estate agent during the Black doll

704
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.679
You stuff so and at ashe is kind of a.

705
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:27.239
That's an upper most people would call it a brief

706
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:34.880
older older more uh, I want to kind of French

707
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:39.079
or technical, well more, it's a more technical term. It's

708
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:40.480
like it's like a.

709
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:42.920
It's like a it's so so. An analogy for it

710
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:46.239
would be like, instead of saying I did a turn,

711
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.719
I was at dance today and I did I did

712
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:51.840
my turns. I was at dance today and I did

713
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.639
my pirouettes exactly. Not many people are gonna know what

714
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:58.519
a pirouet is, but you might know what a turn is.

715
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:03.119
She did that spinnything. Yeah, And I was going to

716
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:07.519
use kind of this similar analogy with there was dried blood,

717
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.840
whereas somebody technical would say it's coagulated blood, right, like

718
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.800
it's a term that's above most people's head and definitely

719
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.079
not a lay person. Definitely shows the intelligence. We also

720
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:20.440
know that there was an attache reference in the dB

721
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.599
Cooper stuff because a briefcase was used. Like there's just

722
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:27.280
so many combining factors here. Now it says, when you

723
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:29.559
get helme, we'll put the money in a brown paper bag,

724
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.000
call you between instructure and delivery. It will be exhausting,

725
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.000
and advise you to rest. Okay, maybe that's it for

726
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:39.719
this particular Well, now I pointed went out, so yes.

727
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:44.039
Make sure you're rested because you'll be exhausted. Or is

728
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.480
it the person writing it is gonna needs to be

729
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:49.719
rested because he's going to be exhausted.

730
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:52.960
Right right, Yeah, No, that's a very good point. I

731
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.800
do want to state that there was a witness at

732
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:58.119
a bus stop at one point in time that it

733
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:02.239
indicated they saw an older get onto it, onto that bus,

734
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:05.960
and he recognized him as having some type of congenital

735
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:10.199
heart issue. And my interest was piqued on that. Not

736
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:12.239
that I knew that Jack was suffering from it at

737
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:14.920
the time, because I didn't until I discovered the nineteen

738
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.199
ninety six diary of Nora, but the man said he

739
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.400
recognized the signs of it because he was barrel chested,

740
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.840
which is one of the things that was mentioned about

741
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.960
the zodiac, right that barrel chest had got that big, fat,

742
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.719
over bloated stomach and you've got that very small chest,

743
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:33.320
which is usually a sign of retaining fluids. And he

744
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.039
said he was very familiar with congestive heart failure because

745
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:38.320
his father suffered from it and the looks from it.

746
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.239
Now we have Jack returning back to California, sick, unable

747
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.679
to go anywhere, and I promise you and Nora's diary,

748
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:48.760
by February he's in the hospital being diagnosed with congestive

749
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:53.480
heart failure. I cannot make this stuff up now. Now,

750
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:58.079
second page of this ransom note says the word hence. Now,

751
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:00.679
this was one of the words they tried to say.

752
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.639
Patsy Ramsey uses it, and she must have been the

753
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:06.880
one that wrote this that. I feel like if they

754
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:08.679
knew that he was about to receive one hundred and

755
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:11.000
eighteen thousand dollars, they would also know some of the

756
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:14.960
key languages that these individuals used in order to perpetrate

757
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.199
a letter that would shed suspicion on the family and

758
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:19.800
keep them so busy that they couldn't concentrate and focus

759
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:25.199
on continuing business. Now there's again on this page hyphenation,

760
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:28.480
splitting of words. There's lowercase capital ms in the middle

761
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.039
of lowercase printing, which that has always been a go

762
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:34.320
to for me. That's Jack all day long.

763
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:43.079
Speaking the slant the slant too well, and he tries

764
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:47.960
to like but his but you can still see that

765
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:51.280
that this this kind of a direction.

766
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:56.440
Right word or left word. I see, I see it's

767
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:58.079
kind of going back and forth, and that could be

768
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.320
the act of changing the paper or the or the

769
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.440
position of the hand. It talks about speaking. Now, so

770
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:09.760
let me read this. We left off an earlier delivery

771
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:13.079
of the money, and hence a earlier pickup of your daughter.

772
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:17.599
Any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate Now,

773
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:20.599
this is the first place I saw these capital constructed

774
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:27.079
letter ms. Where's there? It is so in the immediate. Yes,

775
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.360
we have capital constructed letter ms, which when you look

776
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:32.639
at these other m's that are all kinds of funky

777
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.800
over here, they look like your stereotypical lowercase ms with

778
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.000
the entrance stroke and then the humps that come in.

779
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:42.400
Oh my gosh, I can't believe this is only if

780
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:45.559
we got five minutes left. Girl. This has been so exciting.

781
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.920
I'm going so fast and forgetting even what time it is.

782
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:50.280
So.

783
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:53.480
Yes, in the word immediate, we see the construction which

784
00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:57.000
is kind of a four part or a. It may

785
00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.760
be a single stroke letter M, but it is definitely

786
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:03.639
a capital construction in the middle of lowercase writing. Result

787
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:06.280
in the immediate execution of your daughter. You will also

788
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:10.440
be denied her remains for proper burial. The two gentlemen

789
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:15.079
watching over your daughter do not particularly like you, so

790
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.400
I advise you not to provoke them. Speaking to anyone

791
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:23.000
about your situation such as police, FBI, etc. Will result

792
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:26.320
in your daughter being beheaded. So there's that statement that

793
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:31.719
coincides with Susan Dagnan actively having been beheaded. If we

794
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.400
catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. If

795
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.280
you alert bank authorities, she dies. If the money is

796
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.239
in any way marked or tampered with, she dies. You

797
00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.480
will be scanned for electronic devices, and if any are found,

798
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:46.360
she dies. You can try to deceive us, but be

799
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.760
warned that we are familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics.

800
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:53.840
You standing ninety nine percent chance of killing your daughter

801
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.760
if you try to outsmart us. Oh god, that is

802
00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:00.960
such a zodiac statement. Follow our instructions.

803
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:04.400
Follow our instructions.

804
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.760
Hold on, I was trying to get the I'm gonna look,

805
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:13.480
yeah exactly, and it says follow our instructions and you

806
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:20.440
stand one hundred percent chance of getting her back something.

807
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:24.480
You and your family are under constant scrutiny. That tells

808
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:27.400
me that they know much about this family as well

809
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:29.960
as the authorities. Don't try to grow a brain, John,

810
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:33.159
You are not the only fat cat around, so don't

811
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.639
think that killing will be difficult. Don't underestimate us, John,

812
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.280
use that good Southern common sense of yours. It is

813
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:45.320
up to you. Now, John Victory SBTC. Now, to the

814
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.960
extent of the Victory SBTC, most people took that to

815
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.960
mean Subic Bay, and that was something that John Ramsey

816
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:56.599
was involved with. Terry Batcher actually decoded the Victory SBTC

817
00:45:56.679 --> 00:46:00.360
to a coordinate that actually landed on Burke Ava new

818
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.559
in I believe Charlotte in Michigan. So it was very

819
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:09.039
odd the way that came about his decoding of the location,

820
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:13.519
and that it actually landed on something named Burke, which

821
00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.239
I don't fully understand it, and I can't repeat that.

822
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:19.559
I don't understand that, but I mean that's the little boy's.

823
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:23.000
Name, Burke exactly. And what he did was he he

824
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:28.000
gave numeric value to these letters and obviously like one

825
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.559
being A two B and b on down the line.

826
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.000
And once he analogy. Yet once he was able to

827
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:37.480
pull out the numbers from the letters that located accord

828
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:43.639
accordinate on Burke something in Michigan. So either way, we

829
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:47.239
are down to well we still got about three minutes.

830
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:50.360
Let me go back here.

831
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.679
Well, I want to point out, yeah, just real quick,

832
00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.599
the concept reputation that's one of the tactics, this reputation,

833
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:04.039
the causing repetition of she dies, she dies, She's going

834
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:07.440
to die, die, die, dying. It's like if you it's

835
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.159
like over and over. It's like one of their tactics

836
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.920
of repetition, and that just goes to show you that

837
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.199
she was already dead. He's trying, he's telling you without

838
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.159
telling you that she's already It's overdisclosure.

839
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:22.639
Yeah, it's overdisclosure. Ninety nine chance of not getting her back,

840
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:26.400
leaving a one percent chance of getting her back to

841
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.119
a full one hundred percent, like there was no in

842
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:33.280
between there. I would have set one hundred percent chance

843
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:35.519
she's gonna die if you screw up, and a ninety

844
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.679
nine percent chance you get her back if you do

845
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:42.599
do it right, But they did it just in the opposite. Yep,

846
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:47.679
all right, well so it's I show we're at forty

847
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:50.840
seven to fifty eight. So false hope, Yeah, exactly, definitely

848
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:54.480
false hope. Now, the use of the lowercase why as

849
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:57.000
a capital is just like Jack, that is something that

850
00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:00.880
he did. He's familiar with law enforcement, countermessa and tactics.

851
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:03.480
This is the same thing that the zodiacs, Scorpion and

852
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:05.480
most others claim you're not going to catch me. I've

853
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.199
covered my fingerprints, I know how to write differently. All

854
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:11.800
of these things that at the time they understood could

855
00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:16.079
be figured out through handwriting. Also, you know, back in

856
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:20.880
this timeframe, I want to say, up until recently, the

857
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:24.800
major Forefathers and document examine is examination said if there

858
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.519
was one significant difference in the writing, that you could

859
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.519
not make an identification of an author. Now that goes

860
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:36.119
to say, if it's natural handwriting, not if it's disguised.

861
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:40.039
If it's disguised, you anticipate to see different things. Do

862
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:43.599
you expect to see things not flowing as naturally as

863
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.599
it does in the natural handwriting. So I think that

864
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:50.199
that was the premise that this offer was going by

865
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:52.800
back in that day, because that's the way it was

866
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:56.119
looked at. If I change one letter, they can't identify me.

867
00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:59.519
And so we see these different letters that are being disguised.

868
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.920
But was the time they're identical to other communications in

869
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:06.000
similar type of unsolved killings. And I'm sure that these

870
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:09.119
letters didn't come out immediately when they were found. I'm

871
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.400
sure that they were withheld to a certain point or

872
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:15.400
to a certain degree in order to you know, maintain

873
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.760
the secrecy of what only the author or the killer

874
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:23.360
would know. So at some point with these being relieved.

875
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:27.119
We didn't have internet back then, you know, ninety six,

876
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:30.760
we did, but we didn't have things like lipstick killers,

877
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.039
you know, handwriting and the Atlanta, Georgia child killers at

878
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:37.119
our fingertips. We didn't have the FBI archives and FOYA

879
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:39.239
files where we could go in and find these letters

880
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.199
and communications. So this person either had an end with

881
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:44.199
law enforcement as well in order to get it, to

882
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:48.320
even imitate it, or we're dealing with one author. Guys,

883
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:51.840
all right, that's it. I thank you so much for

884
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:53.679
being here, Lindsay. We're going to pick this up and

885
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:56.519
continue on with this next week. Everybody, have a wonderful

886
00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:00.280
weekend and we will see you next Friday. Yes man,

887
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:02.920
great chef, thank you definitely,