Oct. 31, 2025

JBR Murder Rocks the Nation Part 2

JBR Murder Rocks the Nation Part 2
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We finish discussing the ransom note and follow with the evidence we do know in the case. We will look at recent articles and assertions made by media in regards to what is going on in this case, and a suspect that seems to be part of a conspiracy that fits right in with the character assassination of John Ramsey and the murder of Jon Benet Ramsey. Also, communications between that suspect and an editor, Michael Tracey, also seems to fall right into the media involvement we have talked about.

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Good morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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Happy Halloween, everybody. I hope everyone stays safe this holiday.

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I want to see whether or not we had Nolan

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back in yet, but it looks like we. He is

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still trying to refresh and come back to us. Ah,

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here he comes. Good morning. Oh I lost him again.

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All right, that's the way the show is going to

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go today. Anyways. So this last week was given a

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video by Lindsay mcbraer and I thought she might be

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here this morning, and I haven't seen her yet, but

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we will bring her in when she arrives. And she

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had sent an interesting video in regards to Charlie Kirk,

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which I thought was extremely interesting as I watched it

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over and over again trying to determine whether or not

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there was a possibility that it was AI. I hopped

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around a little bit and stumbled across the actual video

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of him being shot, and of course they actually have

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this up on the internet for the world to see.

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I did not want to play that video, but I

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did obviously capture a picture, in which case it shows

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the direction in which he actually was forced and collapsed.

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And of course what we're looking at here on the

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presentation is the setup, So this is the overview of

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where the shooter was down here on Loci center, and

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then of course the area that Charlie Kirk was in himself.

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And I was bewildered by this. I mean, honestly speaking,

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I shoot guns. I understand a projectile when it hits

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what direction things would fall or go in. So my

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confusion came in the fact that Charlie Kirk actually fell

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to the left, and every position that we can show

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in all of these maps where the shooter actually was

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positioned or purportedly positioned, any map that I looked at

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all showed about the same location and firing to the left.

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So with that trajectory, we would have expect that had

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Charlie Kirk been hit in the right side of the neck.

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From this, he would have fallen to his right, and

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he actually fell to his left. So that's what got

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me intrigued. And of course I think Terry Batcher kind

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of climbed into my body. When I saw this, I

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went down a rabbit hole. So I wanted to see maps,

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I wanted to see other items. I'm hoping that somebody

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can either correct me.

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Let's see.

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Whether or not I am correct in the fact that

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this man had fallen the opposite direction. And of course

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in that video there was this gentleman that seemed to

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have had some very odd and strange movements that took

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place in surrounding it. Here is the actual link down here,

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and once you follow this link on YouTube, you can

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you'll see this red pill type commentation that is happening,

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or debate that's happening between Charlie Kirk and another person,

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and then they go on to say that this is

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why Charlie Kirk was killed. It does appear as though

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he might have upset somebody. So I'm looking for any truth,

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any comments, anybody wants to add to that. But now

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I'm going to actually move on to what we're really

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here for, and that is the John Benet Ramsey case.

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So we had along with that video that Lindsay had sent.

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She sent this particular It looks like it's either a

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YouTube or some type of comment that is done. Maybe

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it's Twitter or something. I'm not exactly sure. Oh there's

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Lindsay and there's Nolan. You guys, welcome to the show.

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Good morning everybody, Good morning.

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Good morning, Lindsay.

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Oh there it is, good morning, all right.

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So you guys, I really quickly passed by this, but

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I'm going to go back to it really quick, because

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you set me on fire last week, Lindsay with this

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whole video, and I wanted your guys' take on it.

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So I just asked everybody out there and you know,

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Wonder World whether or not what they thought about it.

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But I ended up skipping over to a live video

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of Charlie Kirk actually being shot, and the direction hall

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Or was propelled by this bullet hitting him was the

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opposite direction I felt then what the shooter was sitting at,

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or at least predicted to have shot from that particular building.

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And that kind of blew my mind because I've watched

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the video over and over and over again, and they

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indicate that there was some gentleman there that they believe

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might have been the person who truly shot him, and

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the guy had some very odd and strange movements that

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were going on. But let's just take a look at

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this real quick. Here's the area where the shooter was

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positioned on top of low C center, and we can

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see it again, so this is just a second view

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up here. And then of course he's shooting to the left.

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So had he shot to the left and hit Charlie

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Kirk in the neck, that should have sent Charlie Kirk

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to his right, not to his left right. So now

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I'm wondering who Charlie Kirk really pissed off and what

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was really going on here. Anyway, he was.

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A long distance away. That's such a great shot from

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that distance.

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For a young and that's for sure, I was just

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going away by the propulsion of his body. I mean you,

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that makes no common sense. Are we trying to you know,

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fly past people? To single bullet theory again with JFK.

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It's literally a repeat.

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It's literally like I mean, it's like so many similarities.

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It's insane.

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It's like Okay, are you using your same sia that

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you use the JFK, Like what are y'all doing? Like

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fool me once, fool me twice, but you're not going

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to fool me three times. Right, they're so stupid, like

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but they think they're so smart. You know.

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Well, it's like Newsome right now with this special proposition

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or the special election that he's doing where he says

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that Trump is attempting to jerrymander, when this strict meaning

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of that is to read district areas in order to

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facilitate an unbiased or a bias election. And it doesn't

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matter if you're doing that in the inverse or the adverse,

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like if you're doing the redistricting so a person can't

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achieve what they want achieve, that's still the same thing.

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And he's looking at us straight to our our faces, saying,

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let us take this power from you so the government

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can redistrict California, and that's to prevent Trump from jerrymandering.

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It's like, am I am I really hearing and seeing

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what I'm seeing?

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Yeah, they're doing the same thing. It's a kind of

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a quid pro quote. It's the same thing on both sides.

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Who is both Republicans and the Democrats.

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Oh yeah, or what what do you mean.

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It's you're trying to redistrict in order to get more

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constituents in or more people elected from their party.

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Well, Republicans are asked.

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All over.

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Oh well, I'm saying Republicans in California are not attempting

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to redistrict.

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Parts of the country. And the whole point is.

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And that's just saying like the majority of Republicans are

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usually under cover rhinos that are really on the side

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of the Democrats, is what he's saying.

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But we do have this one far in between, like

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you said, in California.

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That are advocating against it.

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It's going to pass.

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I know it will. We are we are primarily a

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democratic state, and if Newsom calls the Dems to to

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the polls, then yeah, it's going to pass. There's what

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what else is there to be said? And the bottom

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line is is they're going to take the power out

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of the public's hand or something. We've already been voted

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and given the right to do and express and use

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that for the next five years, We're never going to

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see that again. We have just given up a power

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to the government that I don't think is going to

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come back around even at the expiration anyways.

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Well, and then also and then also Texas, just so

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you guys know, Texas just passed a AI thing.

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In their state. Uh what is it called?

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The what are they calling it? The AI identity thing

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where like you have to verify.

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On your phone for like everything?

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Was it?

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I forget what they'd call no.

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Do to use AI? Right?

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No, I can't remember. I'll have to see I have

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to pull it up and then I'll tell you there.

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That would actually be a good thing because again, as

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I sat there watching the video that you sent on

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the Red Pill and Charlie Kirk, I kept monitoring for

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if whether or not that was AI there at the end,

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because we see him, we see him go from a

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debate into he's talking by himself as if it's a

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different clip in a different place in time. And I'm

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not sure if that's him or if somebody is AI

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that video. So that's why I didn't play or put

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up any part of it. But I did show everybody

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the link that they could go to look the look

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at it if they wanted. Anyways, that brings us to

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again the Ramsey case and of course we have this

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this post. Where did you receive this post from about

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mister Ramsey's company? Oh no, oh, there she is. Where

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did you find this post on Ramsey's business?

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Okay, there you are business this one? Oh oh it

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was on that video. Oh oh oh, I didn't.

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Oh you mean on the pageant the pageant?

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Uh huh.

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I'm getting feedback from your from whatever your sound is going.

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So it's repeating everything I say in my ears after

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I say it. So you've done something with your.

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Say sound, yeah, something with you.

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It's snoopy.

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Okay, she's on a delay. Refreshed the page. All right,

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she's gone anyways. So she also Lindsay had also sent

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me a video in regards to one of the last

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pageants that John Benne Ramsey had been in it. And

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I guess this is some type of post that was

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beneath it. And it's not. I would love for it

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to explain more, but it says mister Ramsey's company was

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mixed up with some vile people. Years ago, before the

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web was scrubbed, there were some amazing sites that held

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info and photos. Read the essay agenda. I'm not sure

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what the essay agenda is the Ramseys were in bed

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with some very sick people. All of that info was

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lost in cyberspace, and then somebody responded, you were very correct.

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They were part of the club that we are not

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a part of. So that's that was attached to a

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YouTube video of her pageant.

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Correct, lindsay, Yeah, so an essay is sex assault sexual

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health agenda.

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Yeah huh. Well so that brings us back to you

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figuring out or doing the research and finding out that

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Ramsey's father built the runway for airplanes on Fox Island,

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which was notoriously known as a pedophile island. Correct, Ye,

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so maybe, just maybe, And and this is what this

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is what bothers me about, you know, John Walsh not

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wanting the FBI involved, and the Ramsey's not wanting you know,

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people digging into their their dirt. Is that there are

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they are in bed with some very you know, sadistic

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people and they control you either through your family or

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assassinations or murders or or what have you. So I

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wouldn't discount this particular statement, but I just wish they

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had given us a little bit more like who are

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the people that they're dead with?

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You know, Well, this weekend I was going to dig

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on it a little bit to see if I can

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like go on like to our jobs and see if

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there was something in there that was our job, and

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like they scroll from the web that it's maybe still

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in the our chobed websites.

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Yeah, and i'd use the wayback machine. Have you tried that?

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But they call it the same thing?

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Okay, okay, yeah, all right. Well that brings us back

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to the actual ransom note, which we were finishing off

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discussing last week. We read the entire note and then

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I was going back over it and kind of just

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doing a examination of the linguistics and what it was saying.

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And of course we had made that comparison to the

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fifty year anniversary of Susan Dagnan, a six year old

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blonde girl that was killed father again a high up

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an office type thing. And one of the things I

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failed to mention is that we know John Bennay was

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killed in the basement, and of course Susan Dagnan was

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actually bisected in the basement of an apartment complex or

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some type of a building that was in Chicago exactly.

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So again there was just another one of those coincidences

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we've got two six year old little girls. Now we

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don't know where Susan Dignan was killed, whether she was

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you know, abducted and then killed or she was killed

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in their bed and then taken out the window. But

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either way, the ending result was a basement for both

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of these little girls. I did kind of pull out too.

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One of the things that I kept catching on to,

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especially when looking at the handwriting, was this particular formation

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of the bees that looked like they're done in one

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single stroke, and then they actually don't come back and

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touch the bottom, so the bottom bowl does not actually

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reach back to the stem and close that be up.

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And we see that happening in the Scorpion letters and

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in the John Benny Ramsey letter. So again, those those

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little nuances always, you know, pop out at me, especially

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when you've studied this handwriting long enough. So the use

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of a lowercase y is a capital, which is just

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like Jack does the individuals familiar with law enforcement countermeasures

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and tactics. It's pretty much the same claim that the

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Zodiacs were being in most other communications in the series

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have talked about and the ability to conceal their identity,

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which either conceal or they had good cover.

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Okay, real quick, real quick, So I've read, I've ran

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across something randomly about it was a military option, I

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mean operation that was called Operation Scorpio, and it was

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literally about about a military operation of them being in

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control and using these experiments like literally to do whatever

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they want to do, like pretty much like what you

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just literally said, like that it literally described, yes.

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Like concealing their identities and all of that. Yes, yes, yeah,

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that would make sense. I mean, we've got Jack running

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around with a million and one names. It feels like

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he doesn't even know who he is, and maybe that

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presents for a mental health issue as well.

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And get this, so it was I can't remember which

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exact date, but it was nineteen sixty something is when

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it started.

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Oh really, so yeah, pre dating predating the well, definitely

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pre dating Scorpion letters because that was nineteen ninety one purportedly.

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I'm really not sure if I believe.

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You know that.

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Well, we know that Jack was being very nefarious in

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those days too, of course, from when we started, when

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you started in the beginning, So yeah, that.

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It makes sense, and it falls along again with the

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whole zodiac symbols and you know, the things Libra and

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Taurus and all these other things that have come into play,

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and people want to make it about the zodiac constellations

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and things, and it's just it's just not no, it's

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not no. I found it interesting also that we see

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there's more than one reference to John in the letter,

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calling him by his first name. And we saw that

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in the two thousand and five finale letter when the

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author kept referring to Tim Miller. I was not the

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only person Tim that you know, he's basically using that

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same personal first you know, name reference, as if he

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is familiar or knows this person. It's odd, but we

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don't usually see that in these type of taunting letters

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to family members. You know, the killer wants to tell

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you about what he's done. They're not, you know, taking

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personal references to parents by calling them by their first names.

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There is this the Southern statements again, use that good

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Southern common sense of yours. Again. That's something we've talked

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about a lot in all the letters, is these Southern references.

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And then I did kind of pull out some things.

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So these down here are the letter MS for Jack.

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These are his normal lowercase ms. They look like capital

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letter MS and they are done in a way that

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we see actually happening up here in the word common

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and then back on the last page in immediately, So

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in those two words we found these particular style ms

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which look far more consistent and natural than some of

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these other funky ms that we're seeing in here that

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look like they're all tremorous and shaky. And I found

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that to be interesting. And of course I think that

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I have some information in regards to Patsy's handwriting if

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what they portrayed on the documentary was legitimately something she wrote,

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and I don't believe that she had done these ms.

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So these being dropped at the end of the communication

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or being different from every other M on the page

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is probably a good sign that we can rely on

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these as natural writing. Also, we have Jack doing the

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Tao tee, which we know about throughout you know, many

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of the communications, which is also considered consistent with the

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Tao tees that we see happening inside of this letter

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as well.

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Okay, how long before the discovery of the body was.

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The note time they found the note before they found

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the body?

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Yeah, what was the time period?

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Uh, well, it took before I think, do you think no,

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I believe that it was Fleet White and John Ramsey

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that found her. So basically they friends found the note.

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I'm sorry, Patsy found the note. Yes, sorry sorry. That

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was on the bottom or on the steps that led

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to the kitchen, and she was on her way down,

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I guess, to the kitchen and stumbled across this note.

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And then of course friends and family came over and they,

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you know, ensued some type of a search throughout the

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house not find her. And then it was at a

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much later time I think when the police officers showed

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up that they instructed the lay people, including John himself,

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to go search for his own daughter. Then of course

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that's when they ended up in the basement and found

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her body, which is.

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So weird to me.

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So mob we do not look there first, like that

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would be the most place that I would have thought

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of first.

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So the note was basically a deflecting deflection tool was

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to lead him off course and not look for the body,

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thinking there's nobody has.

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Been kidnapped exactly, And that's basically what occurred in the

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Susan Dagnan case. There was a ransom note left on

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her bed, but she was already dead by the time

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they found the ransom note sore. Again, we have similar

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circumstances that are breaking out here, and Susan Dagnan's father

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was one of the head officers in the Office of

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Price Administration where they set pricing for meat, and back

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then there was this whole black market meat thing going on,

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and I guess they were rationing meats and giving bad

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meats to the Indians. They were doing all kinds of,

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you know, really treacherous things, and of course his daughter

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was taken, so it's something very similar. Now. This individual

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actually broke apart the ransom letter, which I thought was

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an extremely interesting find because it literally talks about the

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different statements that are being made. Aside from what I've

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discussed at this point, you could even apply most of

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the statements that are made in this analysis to the

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Zodiac Killer. So I know that in this statement, what

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you're going to hear is them calling out Patsy Ramsey,

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but we already know that she's been excluded as far

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as DNA is concerned. So this statement analysis was done

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by Mark McLish and it shows that it was posted

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on July ninth of two thousand and one, so shortly

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after this was read and done. So it says a

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key piece of evidence in solving this murderer is the

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ransom note. The police, as well as the Ramseys, believe

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that whoever wrote the noticebly the killer. If the police

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can match the handwriting and the ransom note to a

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suspect's handwriting, the case is solved. The problem has been

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they have not found a match. Even with a positive match,

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the ransom note is still the key to solving this crime.

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So I want to mention that, obviously they're going to

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tell you, and I've heard this from the FBI, the

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letters alone are not going to solve the case. Now,

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what the heck are you talking about. You've got this

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individual up here declaring that that's exactly what would happen

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if we found a match. However, I suspect in this

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particular case that we would not find a match to

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the actual killer, because I think that this was handled

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by more than one person, and I think that Jack

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was legitimately just the author of the letter itself and

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had the key information, just as John Mark Carr did

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in this case, but was not actively part of that crime.

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So it says, using statement analysis, we can examine this

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ransom note and determine if it is a legitimate ransom note.

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Was it the intention of the writer to extort money

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from the Ramseys or was the note written as a

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ploy after John Benny was killed. Determining the veracity of

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the ransom note is important. If the note is legitimate,

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then we know we have a kidnapping that went bad.

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This would exclude the Ramseys as possible suspects. Why would

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they kidnap their own child and demand money from themselves.

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If the note is fraudulent, then we know this was

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a murder made to look like a kidnapping. I think

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that's true, but I don't believe that it was murdered

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by the family then tried to cover up and make

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it look like a kidnapping. Anyway.

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Is she about the amount of money demanded too?

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Yeah, yeah, it's going to cover. Yeah, it's going to

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cover all of that. In this statement analysis, it says

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anyone could be a possible suspect. Let's examine the ransom

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note left at the Ramsey residents. I have added the

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numbers in the left hand column to make it easier

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to reference while analyzing it. So of course, over here

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is the type written version of that actual letter, it says.

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One of the first things we notice is that it

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is a very long ransom note. Most ransom notes are

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shortened to the point, as Susan Dag was very shortened

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to the point. We have your kid and she is safe.

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It will cost you four hundred thousand to get her back.

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Now I don't know where he says four hundred thousand

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to get her back, because yeah, I was like, what

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that makes absolutely no sense. So I don't know what

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that reference to it says. Do not call the police

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will be contacting you. This ransom note was written on

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three pieces of paper. This is our first clue this

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note maybe bogus. As we read the ransom note, we

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find it doesn't make much sense. Neither did a lot

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of the things from the zodiac line number two. We

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are a group of individuals. What exactly does the writer

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mean by group of individuals? Every group is comprised of individuals.

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That's what makes it a group, is the writer telling us,

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despite being a group, they maintain their individuality. I think

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that there's some truth to that. Most of the year

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they live separate lives, but every once in a while

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they come together as a group. Theory right every now

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and again they come together as a group. The writer

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also states in line number two and number three that

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they represent a small foreign faction. The use of word

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four and doesn't make sense even to us they are foreigner.

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If even if to us they are foreigners, they wouldn't

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call themselves foreigners. It's like being in Brazil and calling

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a brazil a nut. They're a brazil nut. When you're

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in Brazil, it's just called a nut. I thought that

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was cute, And I.

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Think saying there is just to throw people off again

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and cast blame on someone that wasn't responsible.

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And that's exactly what happened in the anthrax letters. So

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it says, are we to believe that John Benay was

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kidnapped and then murdered because someone has a hatred for

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the United States? Most people would agree this crime is

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not an international incident. No, we don't come to America

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and kill a six year old little girl because we

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hate the United States. It's about as dumb as the

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rioters down in La burning up our own businesses and

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hurting the people who live here instead of you know,

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the government or whoever's responsible for whatever they're rioting for.

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In line number three, the writer crossed out the beginning

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of a word. It appears that the first letter was

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a D and the second letter possibly an O. The

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writer may have started to write, we don't respect your business,

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but then changed it to we respect your business. A

469
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:26.920
kidnapper who already has his mindset would probably not make

470
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:31.519
this mistake. The writer misspells two common words in lines

471
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.720
four and five, business and possessions. Now, this is what

472
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.400
we saw oftentimes in the Zodiac letters, an attempt to

473
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:40.079
dumb them down right. They were going to misspell some

474
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:42.480
words and then in the next line spell them correctly.

475
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:48.279
How However, the writer correctly spells the words deviation and attache,

476
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:52.200
even including the accent on the word attach. This leads

477
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.279
us to believe the writer purposefully misspelled these two words

478
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:57.799
to try to make it look like an uneducated person

479
00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:01.119
or a foreigner wrote this note. The two misspellings occur

480
00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:03.960
in the first paragraph. After that, the writer uses correct

481
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.880
a grammar, except for using the article A when he

482
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:10.960
should have written, and this is further indication the misspellings

483
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:13.680
were done on purpose. The writer showed his true writing

484
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:20.480
skills and forgot to misspell words throughout the note anything

485
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:21.839
to add at this point.

486
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.519
No, Well, I think I think that that interpretation of

487
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:27.079
sorry no was one.

488
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:29.680
Hundred and eighty four thousand.

489
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:33.480
It's one hundred and eighteen thousand, is actually the amount, yeah.

490
00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:37.319
Sorry with a certain figure like one of the Ramsey's

491
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:39.480
account that only the Ramseys wouldn't know about.

492
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:42.279
It was a bonus that John Ramsey was being given

493
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:43.680
from his company that year.

494
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:46.039
Yeah, So that is just really that's.

495
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:48.680
The inside that's the inside information that I'm stating that

496
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.519
he was that the author was aware of. Just like

497
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:55.720
John mart Carr was also given an arsenal of inside

498
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:59.000
information but ultimately found not to be the actual suspect.

499
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.839
So we're going to get to John Mark Carr. It

500
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.599
says in line's number four, number five, the writer tells us,

501
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:08.759
we have your daughter in our possession. Remember that the

502
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.000
shortest way to say something is the best way to

503
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.680
state it. A true kidnapper would have said, we have

504
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:18.680
your daughter. The words in our possession are understood and unnecessary.

505
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.359
This is an overdisclosure. This is an overdisclosure. You're trying

506
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.720
to impress upon somebody that you actually have their daughter.

507
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:27.519
So it sounds to me they killed her and then

508
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:30.319
this note was placed in or the two weren't on

509
00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.599
the same task. Right, The killer and the author are

510
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.559
being done at separate times in separate ways, would have

511
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:40.400
led to these kind of mistakes. In a true note

512
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:45.440
about the crime, correct the writer states in line number eight,

513
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:48.279
you will withdraw one hundred and eighteen thousand from your account.

514
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:51.440
The kidnapper may know the Ramses are wealthy, but how

515
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.880
does the writer know they have one hundred and eighteen

516
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:58.039
thousand in their account? Most kidnappers kidnappers would simply state

517
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:01.240
get the money. They don't care where you get it from,

518
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:07.000
just get it. That is so true. Again, we have

519
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:11.319
an overstatement. The amount of one hundred and eighteen thousand,

520
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.200
of course, was asked for in one hundred dollar bills

521
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:17.000
and the remaining eighteen and twenty dollar bills. This is

522
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:20.799
also consistent with the Dagnan note because the author not

523
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:23.759
only asked for a specific amount, but he asked for

524
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:27.599
a specific denominations and two of all fives and tens.

525
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:31.519
I believe something ridiculous the amounts.

526
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:35.240
Of John did it. He did that, He actually did that.

527
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:39.359
He actually caught up his friend and that person actually

528
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:41.359
is kind of I've actually looked into him the one

529
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:43.680
he got the loan from to get the money out

530
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:45.720
as quick as he did, and he actually got the

531
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:47.960
money out and everything, like literally.

532
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:49.680
Why and why would you go through that if you

533
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:51.279
had been the one that killed your daughter and knew

534
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:52.160
she was downstairs?

535
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:58.839
I know, why? Why to get the to give them

536
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:01.079
to not look here, look over there?

537
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.680
So you you still believe that the Ramseys killed.

538
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:07.599
I don't know that they did it. I don't think

539
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.519
that they did it physically. I think that uh, that.

540
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.599
He knows more than he's talking about. You know, it's

541
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:15.839
more than he's letting us now.

542
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.799
But I mean, I can tell you my my theory.

543
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:24.720
I think that she that they were.

544
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:30.720
S trafficking her to their friends, and that they had

545
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.799
some kind of blackmail on the Ramseys in order to

546
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:36.839
and then that's when they had to They were pretty

547
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:38.960
much like sucked into it to where they had to

548
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:41.720
keep doing it, and that one of them, one of

549
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:47.000
their friends, accidentally did it did it, and uh they

550
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:50.319
had to cover it up because it was their fault technically,

551
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:53.319
because they allowed it to happen.

552
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.599
That's an interesting thought, but that night, I mean, I

553
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:59.079
I don't really understand and they come back from a

554
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.480
Christmas party, than they were allowing their daughter to be

555
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:05.079
sexually abused. I just I have a hard time wrapping

556
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:07.720
my head around that whole entire scenario. But we can

557
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:10.160
definitely discuss that at a later date when we get

558
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.880
into some of the evidence that has been brought about.

559
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:16.720
I have a lot of that too, and I.

560
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:18.599
Put in a lot that you sent me. So the

561
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.240
amount of one hundred and eighteen thousand is relatively small

562
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:24.440
amount of money. Kidnappers are greedy. A true kidnapper would

563
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:28.319
demand much more money. The phrase your account is very interesting. First,

564
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.799
as I previously mentioned, a kidnapper would not tell you

565
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.720
from where to obtain the money. If the kidnapper did,

566
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.839
the writer would probably use the phrase the bank. Secondly,

567
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.119
if Patsy Ramsey was the author of this note, then

568
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.680
we can see how in targeting the note towards her husband,

569
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:44.960
she would use the phrase your account versus my account.

570
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:49.640
And that's to suppose that she is the one that

571
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:55.160
actually wrote this. And we have to remember the initial

572
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.599
start of this letter showed that it was written to

573
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.079
both of them, so it was addressed to Bow, Patsy

574
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:04.640
and John in the very beginning In line number ten ten,

575
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.039
the writer tells Ramseys to bring an adequate size attached

576
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.559
to the bank. Most kidnappers are not going to remind

577
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:15.599
you to bring an adequate size case to hold the money. Likewise,

578
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:18.559
in line number thirteen, it is doubtful that a kidnapper

579
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.279
will tell you to be rested because the delivery process

580
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.359
will be exhausting. Yeah, nobody's going to tell you get

581
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:28.839
some rests. You got my kid. Nobody's resting, nobody's sleeping,

582
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:33.400
nobody's taking a nap, you know. Line number thirteen and

583
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.240
number fourteen, the writer states, if we monitor you getting

584
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.680
the money early. Later, in line number thirty, the writer states,

585
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.319
you and your family are under constant scrutiny. Kidnapper would

586
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.599
have us believe that they are continually watching the Ramsey family,

587
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.400
and they believe that that is highly unlikely. Well, it

588
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:56.680
is highly unlikely because consequently she's already dead. So nineteen

589
00:32:56.759 --> 00:33:01.400
we have an unnecessary word, which is over. Unnecessary words

590
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.519
are words that can be taken out of the sentence,

591
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:06.039
and yet the sentence still makes sense. The writer could

592
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:09.400
have stated the two gentlemen watching your daughter. By including

593
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:12.720
the extra word, the writer is including extra information what

594
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.880
is the difference between watching someone and watching over someone.

595
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:18.839
The best example I can think of is in reference

596
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:21.319
to God. If I say that God is watching over me,

597
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.319
I visualize God keeping me keeping his distance. He sees me,

598
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:27.880
but he also sees the entire world. At the same time,

599
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:30.559
he can see me because I am part of the world.

600
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:33.039
While he is watching over me, he is also watching

601
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:36.480
over others. The word over means God is spreading his

602
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:39.680
watchful eye upon the earth. However, if I say that

603
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:43.680
God is watching me, it becomes more personal. Even though

604
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.160
he can see the entire world, he is focusing his

605
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.200
attention on me. Another example would be if a friend

606
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:51.480
asked you to watch over his house while he was

607
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:53.920
out of town. In this case, he probably wants you

608
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:55.720
to stop by every once in a while and make

609
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.119
sure everything is okay. Maybe you will pick up his

610
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.359
mail and water his plants. However, if he asked you

611
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:03.759
to watch his house, he probably wants you to house sit.

612
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:06.240
He wants you to be there where you can keep

613
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.840
a close eye on things. So that's a very good,

614
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:10.440
interesting statement, right.

615
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:11.480
Yeah.

616
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:16.360
I always thought watching over was a little odd of

617
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:21.039
a statement to have made, versus if she had really

618
00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:23.840
been kidnapped, they would be watching her right.

619
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.400
Well, and that is another indicator to me that somebody

620
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:35.280
was given the obligation to watch over her during these

621
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.320
acts that they were allowing.

622
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:39.880
Wow, you see.

623
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.199
Quick question on the paper itself that the note was

624
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.599
written on. Didn't they find similar paper inside the Ramsey

625
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:55.400
house it was suspected of writing a note.

626
00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:58.199
Yes, and we and we covered a lot of this

627
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:03.039
last week when we started. John lad was definitely from

628
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:07.239
the Ramsey household, as was the sharpie pen that was found.

629
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:11.239
The pen that was actually used was an outdated, uh

630
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:15.039
expired sharpie, whereas all the rest of the sharpiees in

631
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:18.440
that cup were all brand new. And like Lindsey and

632
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:20.559
I had talked about, there was a break in before

633
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.119
this at the Ramsey's house in Charlet Boy, in which

634
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:27.320
case this horse training rope was found. There was some

635
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:29.679
things that did not appear to belong to the family,

636
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.840
and the maids didn't recognize any of it. And then

637
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.000
of course that could have been a place where he

638
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:39.800
picked up this this out of date sharpie pen and

639
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.079
this notepad, because I'm sure that they're they're carrying probably

640
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.199
both tight if she keeps it in one house. She's

641
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:48.880
rich enough to have it in the other house too.

642
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:51.480
She's not carrying her pads of papers and her sharpies

643
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.480
with her from one location to the next. I'd put

644
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:59.880
money on that. Yeah, in a kidnapping, the kidnappers should

645
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.440
be watching the abductee. They will want to keep a

646
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:04.519
close eye on her. They want to make sure she

647
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:07.480
doesn't escape or alert someone that she needs help. They

648
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:09.840
will want to make sure she doesn't harm herself if

649
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:13.480
being alive is dependent upon them receiving the ransom. When

650
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.079
the writer of the ransom note said they were watching

651
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.559
over John Manet, the writer was telling us they were

652
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.079
not keeping a close eye on her. There are only

653
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.880
two reasons why you would not closely watch your hostage.

654
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:25.880
Number one, if you knew for certain she was all

655
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.079
right and could not escape. And number two, if you

656
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.199
knew she was dead. Since a dead body isn't going anywhere,

657
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:34.039
it is something you watch over. Based on the language

658
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.159
you used, it appears the writer knew John Manet was

659
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.159
dead when writing the ransom note, or that she was

660
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:41.880
going to be dead, So I would say in both

661
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:46.119
already if this, yeah, she's either already dead when it's written,

662
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:48.719
But then that would indicate that this long, lengthy note

663
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:53.199
was written with speed and haste. Obviously, because if you

664
00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:55.559
just killed this little girl down in the basement, I mean,

665
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.079
how are you going to sit down and write a

666
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:59.280
three page ransom note. I just am finding some of

667
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:03.440
these things to be a little off. The sentence the

668
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.760
two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you,

669
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.079
so I advise you not to provoke them is not

670
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.559
very aggressive language. This would indicate that a woman wrote

671
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.719
this note. So he's back at Patsy here. Other statements

672
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:17.880
in the ransom notes, such as I advise you to

673
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.400
be rested, also show a feminine touch. Saying that John

674
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.960
Benney will be beheaded and line number twenty two is

675
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.760
very unusual in the United States, we generally do not

676
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:29.360
talk about beheading people. This was put in the note

677
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:31.519
to make it look like a foreign faction again, was

678
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:35.360
behind this kidnapping? That or my mind, it's the cross

679
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.000
over and tie into the Degnan murder.

680
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:44.599
Yeah.

681
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.039
He goes on to say four times the writer uses

682
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:50.559
the phrase she dies. The problem is the writer should

683
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:53.679
be speaking in the future tense she will die. This

684
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.039
is a strong indication the writer knew John Benney was

685
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.679
dead when the ransom note was written. The note is

686
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.840
addressed to mister Ramsey. However, towards the end of the note,

687
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:06.239
mister Ramsey becomes John. The writer refers to mister Ramsey

688
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:09.239
as John three times. If this was a foreign faction,

689
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.199
he would continually use the term mister Ramsey. Referring to

690
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:14.320
him by his first name is too personal for an

691
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:15.480
unknown kidnapper.

692
00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.719
Yeah, I think definitely were unknown, But it definitely was

693
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:21.559
not patchy either.

694
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.079
No, No, it definitely was not.

695
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:25.480
It was somebody they knew.

696
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.559
Somebody. Yeah, somebody was tasked to write this note, I

697
00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:32.719
believe ahead of time, knowing what the overall plan was.

698
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:36.920
There are no synonyms in statement analysis. Every word or

699
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.800
name means something different, even if it is only slightly

700
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:42.920
different in meaning. A truthful person will usually be consistent

701
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.559
in their language and not change their language by using

702
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.920
synonyms unless there is a justification for the change. Deceptive

703
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.000
people will sometimes use synonyms because they are making up

704
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.719
the story and are not speaking from the heart. If

705
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:58.679
the writer saw John Ramsey as being mister Ramsey, then

706
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.480
he should always refer to him as mister Ramsey. When

707
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:03.840
the writer changed the language and called him John, it

708
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:08.119
is an indication the story is deceptive. Ooh Aamy goosebumps.

709
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.320
But and then well, and then it gives you that

710
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.719
It lets you know right off the bat, like he's

711
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.079
been going on this whole time, Like keep you're talking

712
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:19.159
to somebody, you just keep going on and talking to them,

713
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:21.559
and then all of a sudden you just start saying

714
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.559
John instead. It's like you've gotten so comparable in that

715
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:28.199
conversation that it slips.

716
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:31.440
It slips immediately, and your cover is over and it's

717
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:32.599
off well.

718
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:36.559
Like I said in the go Ahead, in the two

719
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:38.960
thousand and five finale note, he kept referring to Tim.

720
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:41.639
You know, first it started Tim Miller, bow it's me,

721
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.400
and then it became Tim. So again we see that

722
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.679
same So is that telling me that that particular letter

723
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.480
is deceptive by any means? Is he not telling the truth?

724
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.880
Is he taking credit for crimes he didn't commit? So

725
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:54.920
all of these things are floating around in my head

726
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:57.480
because that now leads me to the two thousand and

727
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:01.760
five finale letter where he's attempting to take culpability for

728
00:40:01.880 --> 00:40:03.159
all these different crimes.

729
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:03.679
Uh.

730
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:05.760
And in reality, if it's a group of people that

731
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.119
are committing them, and he's trying to solidify that he's

732
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:09.920
the only one they should be looking for. Then that

733
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:13.559
wouldn't self make it deceptive mm hmm.

734
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:16.360
But it could be different writers.

735
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.519
But the only case if that would be the case,

736
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.840
then it would be then that means that Tim Miller

737
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:24.480
himself was part of the group as.

738
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.760
Well, well, not necessarily part of the group, but into

739
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:32.440
something that the group didn't like happening. And and there is.

740
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.400
When I say the group, I mean it's kind of

741
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.199
like some people don't know how to take this word cult,

742
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:46.239
but he are some type of cult or group, like uh,

743
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:51.639
meetings with people and that actually knew him in that den.

744
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.440
You know, Dennis shared with me that there was drugs involved.

745
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:57.519
And I don't know why Dennis would lie to me

746
00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.599
about something like that or what his purpose would be,

747
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.199
but he indicated that Tim Miller himself had said that

748
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.360
that's what was going on during those times. So there

749
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:09.400
is a possibility that the the wrong territory, that they

750
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:14.840
were over exerting their their you know, supply who knows,

751
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:18.360
honestly speaking, But it does sound like it's something nefarious

752
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:20.760
because we have him go on to Texas Equi Search,

753
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:24.360
which is like John Walsh going on to America's Most Wanted.

754
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.320
I mean, come on, the only the only benefit that

755
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:31.280
I could give him other than John Walsh is that

756
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:35.400
the fact that he hasn't really made himself as public

757
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.159
or he hasn't really put his.

758
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:41.320
Certainly tried, as he certainly tried. And he's the one

759
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:44.840
that found Casey Anthony's baby in that in that suitcase

760
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.360
off in Florida swamps. So he did make a name

761
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:51.920
for himself. He has been out there in in the

762
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.320
movie world and all of these other things. Oh, he's

763
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:57.400
right up there doing the documentaries just like John Walsh.

764
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.719
Yeah, and actually a recent one actually, but I'm saying

765
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.239
like it's nowhere near as uh frequent as John Walsh

766
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:10.159
covered every single case in the creation and uh And

767
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:15.199
another thing would be like I think that maybe he

768
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:18.280
wanted to be in that limelight, but he was, but

769
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:20.480
they weren't. They're like, NA, we got this, we don't

770
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:23.239
need you. But he just kept trying because you know.

771
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:28.519
He basically became the same person you know, searching for well.

772
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.239
And then I was going to tell you also like

773
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.280
he's also people were missing people while John Walsh was

774
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:35.320
looking for the suspects.

775
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:38.159
Yes, so, yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

776
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.360
But and if I thought I called myself like every

777
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:44.079
now and then asking somebody like people say, okay, you

778
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:46.840
know who America's most wanted host is. Okay, well do

779
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:49.960
you know who the founder of EQUI searches in Texas?

780
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.159
And they're like, no, I have no idea what that is.

781
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:54.840
They don't know what it is. And I'm like, how

782
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:55.320
do you not?

783
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:57.800
Like I was talking about the case that actually happened

784
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.280
here that and they came here. He came here literally,

785
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.480
and uh they were like, oh, I don't know that.

786
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:06.360
I don't know what that is. And I'm like what.

787
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.320
So it just kind of gives you this that like

788
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:13.320
verification like that he definitely is not in that same position.

789
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.000
He's not as well known. Yeah, got it. Yeah, So

790
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:19.920
the notice signed SBTC. There is no period after the

791
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:24.079
letter C. Purportedly, he says, when writing, we end a

792
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:26.559
thought by placing a period at the end of the sentence.

793
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:29.840
Not using a period tells us the writer intentionally stopped writing.

794
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:32.320
There may be a conflict at this point in the story.

795
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.800
The writer may have more information that was purposely withheld

796
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.559
after re examining a copy of the ransom note, I

797
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:40.800
believe there is a period after the letter C. It

798
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:42.960
looks like the period was placed so close to the

799
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:45.119
sea that it bled into the letter. And that's what

800
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.360
will happen with the sharpie pen if you don't give

801
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.800
yourself enough room. There has been a lot of speculation

802
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.920
as to what the letters SBTC mean. The one that

803
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.639
makes some sense to me is Saved by the Cross.

804
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:59.559
This is because the Ramsays professed to have faith in

805
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:03.199
God and because every victory precedes the initials s BTC.

806
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:07.320
As all Christians know, it is through Christ's sacrifice on

807
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.840
the Cross that we have victory over death. And then

808
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:14.239
of course there's this Subic Bay thing that that had

809
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.519
gone on with and John Ramsey was actually part of

810
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.880
that particular mission or whatever they did there. I'm not

811
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:28.599
really that's the Bay of pigs, right, No one as BTC.

812
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:36.039
Subig Bay was the uh it was the Bay of pigs, right.

813
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:39.599
It was something to do with bush, bush and oil

814
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:41.559
and Cuba, And.

815
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:43.960
Yeah, that was the Bay of Pigs. What you're saying

816
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.519
about Bush. But I'm not sure about the ce Big Bay, haven't.

817
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:49.039
I haven't seen that correlation I'll have.

818
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:50.559
To go back to it. It might have been something

819
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:55.639
that Terry B. Came up with. Okay. So in examining

820
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:57.960
the pronouns, we find this crime was not committed by

821
00:44:57.960 --> 00:44:59.840
a group. If you were writing for a group, then

822
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:02.760
you our language will reflect there are several people involved.

823
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:05.800
Throughout the ransom note, the writer uses the plural pronouns

824
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:08.760
we us an hour because the writer wants to give

825
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.440
the impression that a group is responsible for the kidnapping.

826
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.280
In lines two through five, the writer states, you must

827
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:19.159
follow our instructions. In line twenty eight, follow our instructions. However,

828
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:24.960
in line seventeen we have any deviation of my instructions.

829
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:28.639
That's where That's where I believe that, Yes, the author

830
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.519
slipped up, because while he may have been writing this

831
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:34.199
for a group of people, he then referred to himself

832
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.719
because again he's displaced from the actual act that's happening.

833
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:44.920
So if it comes his erections, yeah, let's see if.

834
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:47.199
This was a group, I've read my mind just then.

835
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:52.239
Good mind's sick alike. If this group effort, the writer

836
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.480
would have have a group mentality and would consistently use

837
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:58.480
the plural pronouns. Look at line eleven and fourteen, I

838
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.360
will call you versus we my call you. People's words

839
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:04.760
will betray them, the truth will slip out, and in

840
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.000
this case, we can easily see it in the pronouns.

841
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:10.039
This is what I do when I'm looking at anonymous

842
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:13.760
letters and somebody's attempting to accuse somebody of something or

843
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.000
act like there's somebody else telling on somebody. They or

844
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:20.119
they're writing a will for someone and they draft it

845
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.360
using the wrong pronouns. That's usually a co indicator that

846
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.400
you've got frog going on. We see deception in this

847
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.559
ransom note with the changing pronouns. This kidnapping was not

848
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:34.199
the work of a terrorist group. One person, probably a woman,

849
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.199
wrote this ransom note. One person and perhaps an accomplice

850
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:41.480
committed this crime. As you can see here or see,

851
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:43.800
there's a lot of deception in this ransom note. The

852
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:46.239
writer's own words tell us this ransom note was not

853
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:49.039
written with the intent to obtain money. Since the ransom

854
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.519
note was written as a ruse, we can conclude this

855
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:53.800
was not a kidnapping that turned into a murder, but

856
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.800
a murder made to look like a kidnapping. This means

857
00:46:56.840 --> 00:46:59.960
we cannot exclude the Ramseys, which they've already been excluded. Sorry, dude,

858
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:01.719
I don't know why in two thousand and one, if

859
00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:04.360
you're writing this and you didn't realize that they had

860
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:07.280
been cleared from DNA in nineteen ninety seven, where you

861
00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:09.239
would have gone there and obviously that would have led

862
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:11.639
us down a different road. So maybe this is a name.

863
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:16.760
Don't forget the jury, the grand jury that they did, they.

864
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:18.719
Agreed to indict. But what I'm saying is is that

865
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:21.599
this individual making it, trying to push away from a

866
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:24.719
group effort or that there's group involvement, would take away

867
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:27.840
from they take away from my theory and lead people

868
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:32.400
down a different path to continue to ensue the Ramses

869
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:33.559
as the murderers.

870
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.480
Well that's what they want, you right, that's.

871
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.159
What they want. Well, they want that or they want

872
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:43.920
it to be some lone single person. Which I still

873
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:47.199
find that every analysis that he's made in this could

874
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:49.639
still apply to the theory that I have about Jack

875
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:51.880
being part of a group but being the individual author

876
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:57.840
writing it knowing what was going to transpire. Let's see,

877
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.000
the ransom note was written on a pad of papers

878
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.519
that was in the Ramsey's residence. Likewise, the pen that

879
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:05.239
was used to write the note also came from their residence.

880
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:08.320
The killer placed a nylon cord made into a garrett

881
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.320
around John Benny's neck and strangled her. A broken paint

882
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:14.119
rush belonging to Patsy Ramsey was used to make the garrett.

883
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.199
While the handwriting analysis shows that John Ramsey did not

884
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:20.079
write the ransom note, Pantsy Ramsey could not be completely

885
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.280
eliminated as the writer. Certain words in the ransom notes,

886
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:27.719
such as instruction, monitor, execution, scanned, electronic, and device are

887
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:28.800
computer terms.

888
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:30.400
Ding ding ding ding.

889
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:33.719
There's Jack, you guys computer well.

890
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:37.880
And they keep saying Patsy, But that's also indicator that

891
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:41.159
this person knew Patsy, that she knew what they knew, what.

892
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:43.280
They're gonna be, They're gonna be well, no, no, no,

893
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:48.800
this isn't words Patsy used. You didn't listen. The person

894
00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:52.719
is making note that these words are used are computer terms,

895
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:56.400
so somebody must be in the computer realm in order

896
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:59.280
to be using these as fluent as they are. And Jack,

897
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.800
we know, was into computers. At the time of John

898
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:06.000
Benay's death, John Ramsey was president of Access Graphics, a

899
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:10.079
computer distribution company. Kidnapper demanded one hundred and eighteen thousand

900
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:12.599
from the Ramseys. This is a very unusual amount. Most

901
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.280
people would ask for a much larger amount. There's a

902
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:18.679
reason why the writer chose the one eighteen and that

903
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:22.039
was because it was literally a bonus that John Ramsey

904
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.800
was receiving. We're down to about the last thirty seconds

905
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:29.159
or so. I think we're talking about the word hence

906
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:33.880
as something that Patsy used later in a Christmas card.

907
00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:36.000
But she's read this note so many times. And I

908
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:38.760
know there's times when I do handwriting and I swear

909
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.719
I've never done a letter in a particular way, But

910
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:45.360
after studying somebody's handwriting for hours and hours, I find

911
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:48.079
myself the next day actually using that form when I've

912
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:51.039
never used that form before. It can get into your head,

913
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.079
and it can stick, and it can become part of

914
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:55.400
your arsenal if it is read and looked at enough.

915
00:49:55.920 --> 00:50:00.320
That's it, you guys, Is there anything least a couple seconds? Really,

916
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.800
I just have time to sit absolutely. Everybody Happy Halloween

917
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.719
and have a great time. Stay safe. Thank you, you guys.

918
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:25.119
You next week, all right, Sea