Jack’s Whereabouts and New Murders

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True Seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. I'd like
to welcome to the show this morning.

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Nolan del Campo, Good morning Inette, Good morning world, Yeah right,

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the whole my world. And Harriet
Souchet, Yes, good morning by phone

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from hotter than you know, in
May section of California. Is it one

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hundred degrees over there already? Oh, it's been almost ninety this week every

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day and I'm still dealing with my
situation. But I haven't heard anything.

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So I'm here. I have to
get ready for the heat. So yeah,

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most definitely, it's been definitely very
very warm here in Sacramento for this

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last week. Oh my goodness.
All right, so yeah, yeah,

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I woke up and it was still
nice and cool. Although the sun is

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out, it's threatening, it's gonna
have a nice warm one. I think

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today the wind doesn't seem very strong
to cool us off. So well,

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that means the A season running again. So I basically pulled up another comment

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from a YouTuber who had looked at
Dennis's video on the podcast channel, and

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the individual is Grizzly Whisker with a
little Kittie kat as his icon, which

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I thought was adorable. They commented, some of this seems very compelling and

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some of it seems like nonsense.
Interesting video, though he certainly looks just

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like the famous zodiac sketch. That
tickled me because honestly speaking, I mean,

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how many other people can say that
about their suspect. M yeah,

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y'all here with me? Nolan,
Oh yeah, yeah, that's true striking

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resemblance, a very very striking resemblance. I know that I didn't pay much

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attention in the very beginning when I
got involved with these cases. Dennis was

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very very hot about me wanting to
or having me look at his website,

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see his evidence, his pictures,
his everything, and I kept telling him

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no, no, no, no
no, And I think it was kind

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of infuriating him a little bit,
but I just wanted to do my job

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without having to know anything else about
Jack at that particular point in time,

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because when it boils down to it, all that really matters is the handwriting.

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I have a lot of people who
call me on cases and they want

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to give me their backgrounds, and
they want to chew my ear for about

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an hour and a half because they've
been dealing with something for two or three

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years. And I get it that
it's very personal to them, but the

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reality is is I don't need any
of that information, and I don't need

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anybody to ask what I've been told, as if that's going to bias me

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in some way. So literally,
when I take these stories from people,

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it goes in one ear and out
the other, and then I do my

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handwriting examination and I have to come
back and ask questions and they're like,

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well, I told you. I
don't care what you told me. Then

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I need to know what you say
now after I've done my nation, Yeah

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you yeah. You don't want it
to time without being I'm sorry that I

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was going to say that that's what
I do too. If somebody asked me

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to do something, you know,
now, I say Okay, I'm going

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to glance at what they were presenting, you know, all over the place,

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all over the board. But you
know you want to go in so

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you're not affected, you know,
like, uh, you want to what

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you can see and then say,
oh, okay, now I see what

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you're talking about. Why your suspect
looks like the suspect. You want to

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have that that point of view from
your work instead of being in and out

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affected by everybody all over the place. Am I cutting out again a little

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bit? It was yeah, and
now go ahead and allen. Yeah.

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Basically, I think the way you
do it helps you maintain professional integrity you

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weren't doing your job as an analyst, and form your own opinions and then

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maybe later catch up on the underlying
facts, right, because sometimes they'll try

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to feed you information you don't necessarily
need, and getting into the handwriting will

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usually tell me what I need to
know, especially if the person was suffering

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from something neurological. I like to
look at the handwriting myself then ask for

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that explanation versus somebody feeding it to
me because they likely or could be feeding

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it to me because they want me
to presume that the person is old and

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infirmed, and that's why I'm looking
at maybe a very deteriorated handwriting. So

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yeah, it keeps me honest.
The integrity is there, and then I

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can honestly say it goes in one
ear out the other. Once I do

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my examination, I'll ask my questions
because it really boils down to in the

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end, if those differences in that
person's handwriting can be explained. If they

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can be explained, then that's great, but they shouldn't before explained when you

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bring that up. Just a little
side note, we filed the notice appealed

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with San Diego matter, so I'll
be contacting you in that regard. Nice.

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Nice, Yeah, I think that
judge definitely needs to be appealed if

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I have to. If I have
to listen to another judge say the witnesses

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were credible and I'm finding for the
wrong side, I think I will pull

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out all of my hair because you're
supposed to be paying attention to the evidence,

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not what people say. They can
lie to you, as as we

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saw, as we pointed out in
paper under oath in deposition, like these

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people lied so many times to hear
the judge say I found the witnesses credible.

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Oh my dear goodness. Uh now, anyways, let's get back to

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Jack, because that is the notion
of the day, and that's what we're

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actually climb into. I did actually
wanted to bring up one more thing on

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dB Cooper, just to make it
quick, but I pulled out something that

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caught me, I guess a little
bit off guard when I was reading this

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letter that was the David Bartholomew Copperhead
letter. It said, then some guy

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credits himself with the masterpiece and thanks
everybody for their cooperation and hospitality. And

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so he's obviously alluding to the letter
that came out of Vancouver in the Gray

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Cup where he said thanks for your
hospitality. I think what he really meant

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was he was in the hospital.
They're recovering from his jump. But he

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says so, he says, well, damn it, this is making me

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look very stupid. These prank letters, he calls them, must stop.

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And that drug me back to Black
Daulia because we keep talking about in dB

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Cooper how he would play with the
dB and make it b D and we

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all thought that's a sure shot sign
that he's hinting back at other things that

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was within his du or whatever it
was that he's done in the past in

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the connection between the communications. So
I pulled up the card from Black Dahlia

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and actually says black Doahlia avenger.
So again we're bda he's now talking about

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avenging Black Dallia, which makes your
solves, Harriet, make more sense.

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It says he wrote on this card. The person sending those other notes ought

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to be arrested for forgery. Ha
ha ha. So how clothes in the

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similar statement? I mean again,
Okay, serial killers may write into the

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police, they may call victim's parents, they may brag and boast about what

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they've done, but how many of
them accuse someone else of writing letters that

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they're actually writing. And here we
have it happening twice in the same connection

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or the same connected information. And
that brought us to let's see, Oh,

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your solve on this particular letter,
Harriet, was Bill Hilliard cooperate to

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Topp Emeritus Hoffa. You kill woman
named Black Dahlia, Camera man Ray,

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doctor George O'Dell la lots pictures,
Sam g and Conna woman Donna Lass killed

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East State Line, Nevada. Why
so them all right? Right, so

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we have a message that's actually yielding
black Doahia's name and the reference, and

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this letter is going to the editor
of the Oregonian, which is Bill Hilliard

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at the time. I just find
this all to be a little bit too

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coincidental. Another super boy, go
ahead, a paper boy. He was

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paper boy connected to the Oregonian circa
late nineteen forties, circa nineteen forty seven.

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Is so he was connected to the
Oregonian. So in nineteenth in the

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forties, I mean so if you
use a paper boy like you don't mean

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paper boy, like fourteen year old
on a bicycle winging papers. Yeah,

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he was. He was delivering papers. I believe that's his biography. He

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was delivering papers for the Oregonian,
especially in the Portland, Oregon area.

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So he really wanted to be a
part of the newspaper biz. But he

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had a problem. How did his
skin color? How did he So,

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if you're saying and during that era, he's fourteen, how's he involved with

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these murders? Oh? No,
By nineteen forty seven, see he's connected

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to the Oregonian still, and so
now he's taking pictures. According to the

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Salves with the Hers Corporation saying okay, you're taking these pictures because he was

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black, you know, or a
person of color. He was trying to

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get into the newspaper industry. So
there's her no kind of supporting him and

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take these pictures or else. You
know, how old do you think he

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was during that time of black doll
you're taking these pictures? Oh? He

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was was He was the same age
as Jazz. He was in the navy

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also at the same time. Yeah, who's referring to Bill Hilliard? William

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Hilliard is the editor of the Oregonian
during the time frame of Yeah, during

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the time frame of the dB Cooper
case. Well, that brings me to

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the next oddity. Oh sorry,
go ahead, and Harriet, Oh no,

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I was just going to say that
that's where it's all going back to

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the nineteen forties and now you know
it's now dB Cooper and he's uh,

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he's they're blackmailing Bill Hilliard. You
know, remember this, you have to

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take part of this. So what
are they hoping to get from him?

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Other than and do you think it's
to get the letters into the newspaper?

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Is that maybe why he's attacking these
editors. He knows it's responsible or part

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of some shady business. Well,
it's a weird way of paying back your

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debt to society for things may have
been deemed not so good, you know,

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in my forties. But Bill Hilliard
was also in the Oregonian working as

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I think the sports editor was still
at her in the nineteen fifties when they

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did the expose on the mob of
the Get Will Party where nobody got to

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eat that they actually won a Pulitzer
Prize for that. So Bill Hilliard was

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on the side of helping to bring
down those who were going to kill the

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Kennedys, who were killing people eventually
like Martin Luther King. So they're just

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blackmailing him for what looks like what
happened in the past, to bring him

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into the current and to help bring
down these people even all the more they're

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in the end trying to bring down
g and Conna Haffa, who killed the

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Kennedys, who killed Martin Luther King. Another they were deemed against America by

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that time, really bad, even
though it started the fifties. So I'm

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desarted. If he's part of this
mafia stuff during Block Dahlia where he's taking

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pictures, then why would he then
later? You know, I don't know,

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you said the fifties a ten year
later be trying to take them down.

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I mean, couldn't he be?
He had the goods on him.

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He had the goods on him,
so it was well, if he's there

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taking pictures, of course he has
the good Oh so you think that maybe

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the letters are to keep him silent
to this, Yeah, probably at that

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point, but also began him to
cooperate to help bring down Hapah because they

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know how bad he even became after
the nineteen fifties. So it would be

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interesting to note whether or not there
was any solves that came about that indicated

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he was to run that at that
that article on the mob and not being

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able to eat at that particular dinner, if that was being pressed. So

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when was that was in the fifties
you said that he wrote that article.

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No, he was involved with the
Oregonian then that was helping to bring down

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the mobsters. It was nineteen fifty
seven. It was known as the Getwell

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Party where nobody got to eat and
all these mobsters had gathered up in Appalachia

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to help bring down the Kennedys.
For what was going on with Bobby Kennedy

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being a part of going after the
gangsters and mobsters, and one of the

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mobsters that was very angry that was
kicked out of the consortium was Frank Frank

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Costello. And Frank Costello's guy was
yeah, and Frank Costello's guy, I

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get this was was the irishman Frank
Sheern. So interesting because you don't see

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that mentioned. You don't see that
mentioned on The Departed, although that whole

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movie is loosely based with Jack Nicholson
on Frank Costello and his informant being an

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informant for the FBI. So the
New York Bob Costello, Yeah, I

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feel like they were in the Bronx, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And one person that wasn't at that
meeting an appllation upstate New York.

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That was Carlos Marcello, the head
of the New Orleans but he sent the

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guy from Dallas in his place as
his representative. So the guy from Delphon

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was there and he got with everyone
else, but Marcello. I think he

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might have been tipped off or something, but he didn't go. Yeah he

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knew. Well. That brings me
to the next or the last coincidence that

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I found in between Black Dahlia and
the dB Cooper and that is the letter

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from dB Cooper that said it's a
cutout letter again using newspapers and magazines.

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It says the perfect crime, grant
me amnesty. Money will be returned,

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no harm done. So he's basically
saying he will turn himself in if he

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gets amnesty and he'll return the money. And then in Black Dahlia we see

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the similar type pattern of again it's
cut out words from magazines and newspapers and

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it says Dahlia's killer cracking wants terms, so again swearing he's going to turn

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himself in, as we've seen in
many of these cases. But I just

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about giggled when I saw that both
of these I will turn myself in cards

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were done in a manner that were
you know that it was done in the

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similar way. Sorry, I lost
my brain there. So we also see

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him say I will give up in
Dahlia killing if I get ten years,

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don't try to find me again.
In cutouts another cutouts that have changed my

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mind. You would not give me
a square deal. Square deal just for

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some reason hits me like a mob
term every time you wouldn't give me a

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square deal. That the water really
stands out the big wa and deer,

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which yeah, spells water and well, I think he'd been bathing and cleaning

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his victims, especially the ones that
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either in the I think she was
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well. So there was some definite
connectivity to water and water being used to

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clean the bodies, clean the evidence, do that kind of stuff. Either

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way, we have very very similar
communications that are coming out here that are

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saying, all right, I committed
the crime. I'll turn myself in.

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Another one that was handwritten listed as
the black Dollia Avenger is here. It

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is turning in. Wednesday, January
twenty ninth, ten Am had my fun

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at police black Dollia Avenger so stating
he's going to turn himself in. We

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know clearly he's not going to.
That never happens. So why the boast

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of letters unless there's some meaning behind
it, which Harriet has kind of opened

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up our eyes as to other community
or other uh information and uh, I

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don't know other information. Very cutchable. He was he knew he was never

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going to be caught. It was
planned that way, right, I'm right,

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Yeah, he's really guilty. So
but anyways, yeah, that's why

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he can do. He was able
to punt them, that's all he does.

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The boastful man. Well, that
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Now, because we are seen in
December seventh, nineteen seventy one, is

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when Nora buys the Chevy Biscayne using
the address of PO Box three seven five

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three, South Lake Tahoe nine five
seven oh five, and Jack is making

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his final move from the Bay Area
to northern California. I did find it

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interesting that, or not interesting,
Dennis swore this vehicle belonged to Jack,

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and after I did my research and
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it doesn't negate what Dennis is saying
Jack. He may have met Jack

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in the car, and Jack may
have very well sold this car to Nora,

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because guess what, in the possession
of a female with four kids is

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nothing like being in the possession of
a male who has been spotted or seen

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at a crime scene. So that
would be an easy way to off it

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into another family. And quite frankly, it wasn't like Nora was making a

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lot of money with four kids?
Are you? How are you buying new

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cars? Either way, So show
Dennis took this picture. He was four

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years old in Tahoe, and I
think he's taking a picture of one of

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his little sisters. Dennis claims that
this is the year he meets Jack Terrence

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Junior, However, does not mean
that Jack is living with Nora at this

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time, and they do not really
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nineteen seventy two, which I think
coincides with when he sells his home in

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San Jose. Dennis tells us at
this point in time, Jack pulls his

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first dominant move on Dennis. After
Dennis smack jans Jack's hand out of mother's

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declaring you're not my dad. Jack
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Dennis, I don't want to be
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but we are going to get along. So the side note to that

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was Jack could very well have sold
this car to Nora. Dennis believed that

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it was Jack's car, so I'm
not going to negape the fact that this

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may or may not have been the
vehicle that was seen at Lake Barriessa.

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Just the evidence right now as it's
being presented, shows that Nora is the

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one that purchased it, and it
looks like she signs and sells it,

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I want to say, by nineteen
seventy five, so the car was with

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them for quite some time. We
did find additional letters to Hoover, which

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we've kind of found throughout these cases. I found some of the things that

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they were saying was interesting because while
all of us complain today that we can't

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seem to get law enforcement to do
their job or look at the evidence or

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pay any attention, it's almost as
if they just don't care to waste the

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time or resources on it anymore.
But that shouldn't mean that you stop looking

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at the evidence. And this particular
letter that was written to Hoover, it's

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more than we've seen. One also
written in the Black Doll your case,

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another letter saying I think I know
who it is. This is who you're

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looking for. You're looking for an
irishman. Like there's some of the things

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that we were just talking about in
the Hole. Mafia rem of things was

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listed in that previous letter in nineteen
forty seven. This one says mister J.

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Edgar Hoover, Chief FBI, Washington, d C. Dear sir,

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Now, we just got done reading
a whole bunch of letters from dB Cooper

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where he said, dear sirs,
says, I believe that I have in

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my personal evidence which may, with
the oh which may, with the proper

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investigation, disclose the name and identity
of the Zodiac Killer of California. I

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would like to have your cooperation in
this matter, as I have had absolutely

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no cooperation from law enforcement agencies.
I remain yours truly or your truly.

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So just that statement alone. That
and we're talking nineteen seventy one. We're

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talking literally two years after the Zodiac
Killer concludes what they claim was his only

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tolls, which was five murders and
two attempts. As little is two years

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in somebody is complaining that he cannot
get the local law enforced enforcement agencies to

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look at his evidence or take him
seriously. So it's not something that forty

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fifty years later, like we're dealing
with, where it's so far past that

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there's no interest in solving it,
that the resources have been expended. This

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literally appears to me to be saying
that they're purposely not investigating this case.

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Mm hmm, yeah, going through
I think I have that one solved somewhere,

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so i'd have to send it to
you when they find it. So

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the ie remain. Yeah, there
was something I don't know in there.

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There was something that my attention and
I know I've done some of these,

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but anyways, Yeah, it screams
jack one on one and they're purposely not

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really going to go and arrest some
money in this because there's some grand scheme

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of things going on and behind it
all. Well, I remember doing this

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in regards to the Americthrax Committee and
the Anthrax letters when I had made I

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had I think sent out something like
forty faxes to all of the sitting senators

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and congressmen and everybody involved in the
Amerthrax case, and didn't receive not one

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response from anybody in regards to it. So then I wrote to the governor

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and I basically said the same thing. Look, I can't even get people

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to pay attention. And the government's
response, You're going to love this,

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you guys, because this has happened
in nineteen seventy one and I'm doing this

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in twenty thirteen. Their response was
and This is from mister Hoover's office.

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I received your letter on December twentieth, and the concern which prompted you to

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write is understandable. With regard to
your communication, the matter you mentioned is

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not within the investigative jurisdiction of the
FBI. It is suggested, however,

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that you may wish to advise the
San Francisco, California Police Department of any

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information which pertains to the Zodiac Killer. I wanted to hit the floor.

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I was like, oh my god, I got the same letter from the

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government's office saying this isn't dark business, you need to contact local law enforcement.

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I'm like, holy crap, we
just told you local law enforcement isn't

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even taking it seriously, freaking deja
vu, like I did want it.

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I almost wanted to compare this to
Jack's Curse of Writing. There is some

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significant differences in it. I have
not done that handwriting examination yet, but

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I do think that I will possibly
take a look at it and see how

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it compares. But it just again
just shocking that you a member of the

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public who is trying to give evidence
in regards to the Zodiac Killer, and

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they're being shunned bylaw enforcement as little
as two years into this particular investigation.

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Absolutely mind blowing. So I think, in keeping with the times, the

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Watergate scandal and Nixon are in full
swing. Maybe this is why so many

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references to the president. Also,
Hillary Clinton did her part to show her

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true colors as a lion on ethical
and immoral Republican lawyer during this scandal.

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And I repeat that Republican lawyer.
Guys, she has now has since we've

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ever since we've known her in politics, she's been a Democrat, But back

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then she was a Republican. Very
interesting staff of I think Leon Juworski she

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was a staff lawyer, researcher,
and there's a picture of her in the

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book I have on the Watergate scandal. Exactly, it's all wrapped up in

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the middle of everything dirty from day
one. Now Republicans, why Republicans?

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What happened? What happens in politics
that causes one to flip sides? I

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mean, usually once you've chosen a
side, you're pretty golden for most of

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your life. How do you go
from being right? She ended up beating

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Bill and Bill's pre liberals, so
I think he kind of changed her a

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bit. Oh well, that could
possibly be. I wouldn't put anything past

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what a man will do to a
woman or a woman will do to a

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man. I just think of myself, right, and I literally would wonder

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where we would be at if she
had made it to potus, Like what

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and what kind of trouble would this
this world be in? Oh my god?

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Anyways, so it will always be
the same people running it, right.

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So here we're showing some pictures of
Lana, which is Jack's daughter,

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and I think this is her boyfriend
at the time, but we're they're standing

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in front of a Chris Mystery.
The picture is labeled nineteen seventy one,

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Lake Tahoe, so that is consistent
with us knowing that Jack is in South

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Lake Tahoe during this time. Jack
is working for the Lake Tahoe City Linen

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Company as a mechanic when he meets
Nora, who was working there as well.

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The causal link to the San Francisco
murders where the laundry seems to be

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some ploy at the scene of the
crime, which I think Harry and I

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have both talked about this correct,
Yeah, there was there's one. I

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don't know. If you have that
article you might find it somewhere where it's

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where Charles Jarman was the taxi guy
that got killed a year after or shot

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a year after Paul Stein. But
what they had found outside was really weird.

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Linen folded a certain way, and
they were all, if I remember

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correctly, facing north on a street
somewhere nearby. I think it was a

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sting as as you were leaving the
crime you were finding stacks of these clothing

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or something like that. No,
there was a it's an article in the

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newspaper. Sorry, It's just something
I found when I was initially getting into

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the Zodiac cases, and I have
it somewhere. But it's just that linen

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was folded a certain way left outside, and I think there were the tops

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of the shirts were facing north and
uh, but yeah, it's linen being

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left behind. And then there's another
case, I think it's Judith Occury or

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one of the other cases in nineteen
seventy about linen, a linen, a

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linen bag and things of that nature
where these hints laundry back involved somehow.

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Yeah, laundry bags, linen bags. So anyways, yeah, it's it's

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I think, a weird way.
Once you see it is connecting the cases

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together Well said he left clues out
at his crime scenes, so that would

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definitely be a clue pointing back to
a linen company which we know that Jack

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is working for at this particular point
in time. So laundered uniform and clothes.

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Oh, I think I do.
I actually wrote it in here,

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laundered uniform and clothes neatly folded in
stacks as if leaving the scene plays into

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the Oakland County child killings or babysitter
who washed the clothing of the victims and

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bathe them, which ties them right
into the backtub and waterway dumb sites.

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Also the purported accomplice. I don't
think he's an accomplice. We'll get to

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his letter. I think he's actually
the suspect writing once again states actually in

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it that he was bringing the children
up in laundry, in laundry bags,

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laundry ampers basically, so we had
another tie in between laundry, linen,

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and so forth. Jack's daughter,
Atlanta seeing to the right, worked at

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the same place as Donna, lasted
at the Sahara Casino and was last seen

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leaving from Donna last went missing from
South Lake Tahoe, California, at the

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Sahara Tahoe Casino pictures with Jack's writing
on them during Christmas of nineteen seventy one

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in Lake Tahoe supports that he was
there. And this is the year Jack

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tells Dennis Kaufman that he doesn't want
to be there as much as Dennis didn't

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want him to be there, but
that is how it's going to be,

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so he'd better get used to it. So to me, it looked like

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Jack has heated the warning given in
the newspaper ten twenty one of sixty nine

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to disappear, change his looks,
get a family, and stop killing.

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But the only time we really saw
killing stop is right in that period of

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dB Cooper. So in November of
seventy one. We don't see any murders

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until seventy two, which we're about
to step into here in a second.

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And this is one of the reasons
why I've kind of listed all of these

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different crimes together in this presentation as
a possibility for Jack, because none of

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them overlap. You know, if
we were having a murder on one day

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in California and a murder and I
forty five, or a murder and three

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way phantom and on that same day, then we could collectively rule Jack out

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because it would be literally near impossible
for him to commit these crimes this far

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apart on the same exact day.
And I say near impossible because if he's

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with the mob, he as a
plane. He can get to wherever he

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needs to get to as quickly as
possible. But it would make it more

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highly improbable that he was the killer
of three people on the same day than

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us watching this actually not overlap segments
and periods and timeframes going without any murders

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while other crimes frees are happening in
different locations. This receipt right here actually

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confirms that Jack is still in San
Jose area as late as nineteen seventy two.

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It's dated January fourteenth of nineteen seventy
two, and it is a money

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order receipt from Wells Fargo Bank from
the Livermore office branch in California, and

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it's issued to the boiler Makers Union
for nineteen dollars and it says two months

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due and blood and blood bank.
I'm not sure what he means like that,

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but that's what's written in Jack's hand
on here. Let's see so pictures

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takes me back to him having been
in the Union all the way back in

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Arkansas, and thus the pictures that
were seeing of the steel building or the

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steel stacks that are being built in
the Public Company of Northern Illinois, which

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was another energy plant. Basically,
so July eighth of nineteen seventy two,

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Jack is in a motorcycle accident in
Cameron Park and sent to Marshall Hospital with

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injuries to his face, right elbow, and right shoulder. Better this is

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I'm betting this is where Jack his
back injury occurs again. But he blames

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it on a work on work two
months earlier or later, so he likely

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if he messed him and and like
Harriet had said, this may have been

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the offset of hurting himself when he
was jumping out of the plane as dB

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00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:54.240
Cooper right, yeah, and then
he got on the back of a motorcycle

405
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:59.680
if I remember correctly. After that, that's that's Dennis had the vague.

406
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.880
Every time we would go through Reno, Dennis would stop talking and he would

407
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.880
point to for some reason, almost
like he was in I got to say

408
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.440
it, like a trance. He
would stop talking. Whatever we were talking

409
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:14.480
about. He says, see right
there, right there, right there,

410
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:19.519
that's when Jack he got injured right
in behind the airport and he got on

411
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:23.079
the motorcycle and he had busted up
his shoulder. He would always remember that,

412
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:28.720
you know, that the motorcycle and
getting busted up. And that's why

413
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:32.440
they, the FBI that he was
working with, was believing that Jack was

414
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.359
the best dB Cooper suspect. I
don't know that now. I never discussed

415
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:42.559
dB Cooper ever, not even once
with the FBI. I don't think that

416
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:46.759
that was ever even a consideration.
No, but no, that Dennis would,

417
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:51.119
let's say this, every time we
were driving through there, and that's

418
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:57.839
what Dennis would remember Jack coming home
that night to you know, Nora's place,

419
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:04.480
you know, and that she nursed
him. She gave him great hospitality,

420
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.440
she nursed his broken shoulder, busted
up shoulder. So gotcha, And

421
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:13.880
what were you going to say?
I'm wondering why they would send him to

422
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:20.280
the VA Hospital and Martinez when the
VA Hospital in Sacramento Rancha Cordova would be

423
00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:23.119
a lot closer to the Cameron Park, right, Yeah, it doesn't make

424
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.960
any sense to go that far out. Well, they said, they did

425
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.719
say the next day they sent him
to the VA Hospital in Martinez, California.

426
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:37.159
So initially he went to the Marshall
Hospital and then later to the Martinez

427
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:43.039
VA Laserville or a Cameron Well,
he was in the accident in Camera Park,

428
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.719
so yes, I'm not sure we're
Marshall, Yeah, gotcha. I

429
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:51.960
just know that these are all listed
in his in his work comp case.

430
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.079
So it was typed up in there
with this information. Now Jack still owns

431
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.760
his home at twenty four to fifteen
dobram Way, as far as we can

432
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.679
tell, in San Jose until nineteen
seventy two. This is where he had

433
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:07.880
that under the basement that had a
photo lab in it where Dennis believes that

434
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:13.480
he was recreating the old pictures or
evidence that he had on Black Dahlia and

435
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:19.079
otherwise onto one ten film, which
we can definitely see those pictures from what

436
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:22.519
he believed to be Black Dahlia.
They were literally you can you can see

437
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:27.760
that they were literally pictures that were
then reproduced as another picture. And maybe

438
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.119
all he did was then take a
picture with the one ten film. He

439
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:36.760
never actually developed that film and destroyed
that other evidence because as Dennis would say,

440
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.719
if they came in looking for pictures
from nineteen forty seven, they weren't

441
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.519
looking for one ten roles of films, so they would have just kicked that

442
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:47.360
to the side thinking it had nothing
to do with it. We probably see

443
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:51.480
a picture of them together in Stevens
Creek, California, even though they met

444
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.559
in South Lake Tahoe and Jack begins
working for the Linen Company in nineteen seventy

445
00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:00.920
one until September of nineteen seventy two
due to a back injury. Charles Terrence

446
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.800
had lived in Burling Game or the
San Jose area as well, which is

447
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:09.000
another avenue or proximity to that area
where Jack would still have a place to

448
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:15.880
go if he was in the Bay
area. We also see that Doris Reynolds,

449
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.719
while she is separated from Jack at
this point, and I believe that

450
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.559
we've already seen that she attempted to
follow divorce that one did not go through.

451
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.760
But on May second of nineteen seventy
two, we see a letter that

452
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:30.400
is being mailed to Doris Reynolds in
San Jose, California. This paperwork is

453
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.559
kept by Jack for some odd reasons, So again it makes me wonder,

454
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:37.719
is he still seeing Doris while he's
making this new home with Nora. How

455
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:40.199
does he end up with this particular
document if he is currently with Nora,

456
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.679
although that begs the question, how
does he bring Doris's son back to Nora's

457
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.400
house in South Lake Tahoe and he
gets released from CYA? Like the whole

458
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.400
thing is just a very strange circumstance. But we do know that Jack actually

459
00:36:54.480 --> 00:37:01.079
was cheating on Letha with Doris right
as he wasn't divorced from Leitha yet when

460
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:07.639
he was dating Doris and ran or
Doris ran after him in to Texas in

461
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.079
sixty three. But uh, here's
a picture of her up in the right

462
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:15.519
hand corner with another car, car
that Dennis believed was something that was likened

463
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:20.159
or at least seen by an eyewitness, that was I think described as a

464
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:24.840
Renault. Do you recall that one, Harriet, No, there was just

465
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:30.400
so many cars, so that one
I don't recall, right, and I

466
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.239
and don't. I don't have enough
of an image of it to compare it

467
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.480
to anything to feel secure that I
could identify what type of a car that

468
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:43.039
was. But Dennis, I think
it is her with that the picture,

469
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.880
it looks like an interesting shaped vehicle. It's not real. Boxy's right,

470
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.400
right, it doesn't have any hard
lines like I would expect to see from

471
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:59.039
that time frame, right one on
that side. In seventy two, see

472
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:05.000
the address store. In seventy two, I had two uncles and aunts living

473
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:12.159
in the Story Road apartments, and
may have seventy two. Well, but

474
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:15.920
I'm betting they're not the Zodiac.
No. No, we were students at

475
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:22.280
Saturday State. Well, and that
brings us to our first set of murders.

476
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.400
I don't know how this one made
it here because May is obviously after

477
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:30.920
February. But our first murders back
after the dB Cooper cake caper, is

478
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:36.559
on February fourth, nineteen seventy two, Yvonne Weber and Maureen Sterling from the

479
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:40.880
Redwood Empire Ice Arena, last seen
hitchhiking from Gernville Road, Santa Rosa.

480
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.119
And the first murder after dbe Cooper. Now, did you have anything that

481
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:51.159
indicated that you thought that these were
actual murders of the Zodiac herreat No.

482
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:55.880
When I started working on the evidence, they definitely weren't. It comes out

483
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:00.559
as the best way I describe it, because you asked me, how do

484
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:06.360
you do the evidence? This was
relayed in the UPI all this same system,

485
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.239
but I was often wondering how would
they see things at night? It

486
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:15.679
has something to do with the west
coast Norad and the skies and the eyes

487
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:21.920
in the sky. And now this
they were not victims of Jack, but

488
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:27.440
his crew was in on trying to
follow because they were in the end trying

489
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.199
to bring down Half and g and
Kanna. They were trying to follow who

490
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:37.360
was committing these these murders so they
can at least cut out the struwberry and

491
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:42.079
the weeds and everything that was underneath
that was holding up Halfeng and Ocana,

492
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:46.400
which in the end had to do
with cocaine. So now we were in

493
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:58.000
Sterling were victims of not very pleasant
things. That has to do with that.

494
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.039
They were sent to the Saudi Prince
group. I can go on and

495
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:15.119
on, but no, the I
can read the solve because it's very complex.

496
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:19.119
It brings out Lorie Lee Cursa to
and who's the foster mother, and

497
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:23.400
it involved John W. Walsh.
Yes, I have it. Uh well,

498
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:27.800
let me just read to you what
I came up with that the that

499
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:31.079
the evidence was that it was more
I'll just read it, okay, and

500
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:37.119
then I'll read the intagram that it
was just simply intagramming it Sweeber and Sterling

501
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:43.119
decode of clues and evidence. I
did it on March thirtieth, twenty twenty

502
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:50.599
two. And uh, the name
is Marine Louise Sterling, mother Arlene Sterling.

503
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.719
Place that's your last name was placed. You're remarried. And then the

504
00:40:53.840 --> 00:41:00.800
address of three five four five Midway
Drive, Santa Rosa, California, nine

505
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:08.320
four oh five Yvonne Lisa Weber Weaver
mother Sheila Weaver Harrington. She also remarried

506
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:15.800
stepfather David three three six' five
Holland Drive, Santa Rosa, California,

507
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:22.239
nine five four oh four. And
then as I believe two four seventy two

508
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:30.800
Herbert Slater Junior High School students,
Redwood Empire, Ice Arena, sixteen sixty

509
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:36.239
seven West Steele Lane, Santa Rosa, California, nine five four oh three,

510
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:44.800
about seven point thirty post Meridium scheduled
pickup eleven post Meridium inter car Burnville

511
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:52.039
Road nine Post Meridium, Blue jeans, purple pullover shirt, red zip up,

512
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:59.159
hooded sweat sweatshirt, jacket, brown
swede shoes, blue jeans, lavender

513
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:06.320
and white tweed pullover shirt, black
velvet coat, brown suede shoes, bones,

514
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:13.559
found twelve twenty eight seventy two,
sixty six feet off down east east

515
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:21.039
side Frans Valley Road, fourteen K
gold necklace basket, dash weave design cross

516
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:29.000
one phil a gray drop earring with
orange beads, and then it's two point

517
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:35.039
seven miles north of Porter Creek Road. Then anagrammot it comes out as PN

518
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:42.159
for President Nixon. HRH that's for
Halderman d C two four seventy two,

519
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:50.280
Garberville Walsh top Son Japanese name Dan
Wren LDS. That's Latter Day Saints.

520
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:57.079
Lori Lee Cursa foster mother of three
five four five Midway Drive, Arlene Sterling

521
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:05.920
place drop off Maureen Louise Sterling and
Yvonne Lisa Weber at sixteen sixty seven West

522
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:10.840
Steele Lane, seven point thirty p
M, Santa Rosa, California, nine

523
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:19.000
five four oh three nine DM.
Mother Sheila Weber Herrington of three three six

524
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:27.400
five Holland Drive. Stepfather David Career
airline pilot. Brother in law as James

525
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:37.760
Percinett scheduled sell girls to Saudi Prince
Group studs believed sale repay fourteen kilow cocaine

526
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:45.840
debt raised eleven PM. John Edward
Walsh Junior and meat cutter Ronald Bruce cursa

527
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:53.280
red dodge wooden camper, unzipped fornicate. The two slaves sent to West South

528
00:43:53.519 --> 00:44:00.599
Arabia, Saudi Arabia about twelve four
seventy two. December fourth, nineteen seventy

529
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:09.000
two, Ursuline sister's high wife Rebe
received the two dead. She give ninety

530
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:16.719
four five five eight Detective Narlow loose
bones that shovel tee off down right side

531
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:22.760
two point seven miles north of Portocuy
Creek Road passed. They were deal away

532
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:27.480
And it's finny, you know that
I do. I did have that one

533
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:30.320
person who came at me saying that
they believed that the Zodiac Killer was in

534
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.280
Saudi Arabia or from Saudi Arabia,
spent some time there. So now you're

535
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:38.480
bringing up information. So if they
were sent over December fourth of seventy two

536
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:43.559
to Saudi Arabia, how did they
end up back in California December twenty eighth,

537
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:49.960
nineteen seventy two dead and their remains
they are well. They were sent

538
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.800
them And I got another one with
this airline pilot. He was a Saudi.

539
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:57.079
No, no, no, no, I'm running out of minutes.

540
00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:00.039
Now, I just need to stick
to these questions. So how did I

541
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:02.840
end up in Saudi Arabia on December
fourth of seventy two? But their remains

542
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:07.199
found December twenty eighth, and it's
just bones. I mean, here's the

543
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:09.280
information I have on the case.
They were twelve years old, were last

544
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:14.079
seen getting into a vehicle in front
of the Redwood Empire ice Arena, where

545
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.280
one of their mothers had dropped them
off for an evening of ice skating.

546
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:21.840
The remains were not found for over
ten months. Skeletal remains were found,

547
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:25.199
so that means that they had to
have time to become skeletonized. Remains were

548
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:30.360
found in the area December twenty eighth, nineteen seventy Okay, okay, okay,

549
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:34.199
hold on, let me finish.
Skeleton remains were found in a rural

550
00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:37.360
area December twenty eighth, nineteen seventy
two. Only one ear ring was found

551
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:43.119
at the scene. I was just
flipping through my presentation because I do have

552
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:46.400
a drop ear ring, like the
tear drop shape earring. But you said,

553
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:52.039
Phil agree is what I don't know
what material that is, but it

554
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.760
says only one earring was found at
the scene across for a necklace was also

555
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:59.920
found last scene getting into a vehicle
at the ice arena. Only one ear

556
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.840
that's repeating. See pictures of four
different earrings. But we're going to look

557
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:05.920
at that. I don't think we'll
get to it today. But that was

558
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:09.920
found in Jack's belongings and found on
Porter Creek Road on Friends Valley Road,

559
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:15.320
near where Kim Allen was found.
Cause of death unknown due to skeletal remains.

560
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.440
So now answer that question. So
you were saying that you believe that

561
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:23.360
they were eaten, they were.
They were sent to the Saudi Prince Group

562
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:28.960
and a whole bunch of horrible things. There's a whole bunch of sexual activity

563
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:35.079
there. But then because you know, like the animals would eat eat,

564
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.440
the remains very very sick and cut
up, and because they were just treated

565
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:46.440
like garbage. So then all that
was left was the skeletal remains. How

566
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:52.000
long go ahead and Nolan ten months
time? There would have been plenty of

567
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.639
time to give them to Saudi Arabia
and then back to Northern California. Because

568
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:01.559
yeah, yeah, and the body's
gonna been decomposed. But I'm not you

569
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:05.519
know, I don't want to accept
the notion that they were Yeah, it

570
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:08.280
just gets grown. Well I think
what she was meaning was more or less

571
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:15.280
like by animals in the wilder.
Well yeah, so, and maybe maybe

572
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:17.880
what what you really have is not
when they were taken. Maybe the December

573
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:22.159
fourth, nineteen seventy two is not
when they were taken to Saudi Arabia,

574
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:29.079
but maybe returned from Saudi Arabia.
That would be almost the bones were returned.

575
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:31.960
The bones were returned, That's what
the Salva is saying. Yeah,

576
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:38.800
yeah, so they okay, get
them out of the country and place them

577
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:43.960
somewhere else, so it's never even
associated to that particular Yeah, okay,

578
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.519
Well and then that really kind of
brings back like the polyclass and the John

579
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:52.440
Walsh stuff, you know, from
people being abducted right out of their homes

580
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:58.840
or what have you. But either
way, all right, so let's see,

581
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:00.800
we're down to our last so I'm
not going to climb into this next

582
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:04.320
one, but it was gonna be
Kim Allen, which I think you mentioned

583
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:08.159
as well. We'll get back to
this one next week then, and I

584
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:12.280
want to thank you guys all for
being Here's anybody want to add anything at

585
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:19.239
the last minute, No, just
enjoy the heat. It's coming, so

586
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:24.280
deal with it. I'm gonna do
my best. Yeah, I'm just saying,

587
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:28.639
enjoy the heat. All right,
right, all right, everybody,

588
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:30.280
you have a wonderful weekend, and
we will see you next Friday when we

589
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:36.400
come back to continue the information and
the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murders. Everybody,

590
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:36.880
take care,