Aug. 30, 2024

Jack Moves to MN…Zodiac Wherefore Art Thou?

Jack Moves to MN…Zodiac Wherefore Art Thou?

We see Jack selling property and cars. Zodiac Killer is silent previous to Jack’s exit from California. The Oakland County Child Murders begin in January 1976 when Jack would be scouting Cotton, MN, to move the family to in spring 1976. From the...

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We see Jack selling property and cars. Zodiac Killer is silent previous to Jack’s exit from California. The Oakland County Child Murders begin in January 1976 when Jack would be scouting Cotton, MN, to move the family to in spring 1976. From the marriage of Jack and Nora in October 1975 until February 1976, the Zodiac Killer is silent. 3 murders in 30 days in Michigan then silence from OCCK until after August 1976 when Jack has moved to MN hours from Michigan and Nora’s family.

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Good morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to an episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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Going to start again the show today by introducing Nolan

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del Campo, Attorney at Law.

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Good morning, everybody.

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Good morning, Terry Batcher, one of my great researchers. Hi there,

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how are you doing.

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I'm very well, And I say that as an I

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meant to say hi kids, high a kids in the

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sense all of God's children. Once I'm certainly.

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All are yea. And now we have Harriet Souchet, who

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handles the code solves in this case.

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Oh yeah, good morning, everybody.

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Good morning.

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It's going to be a great week. It is going

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to be an absolute week, So you guys will find

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out later.

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I'm just going to hop right on into the presentation

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at this point, because we're going to pick up where

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we left off. We are going to be talking about

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some of the final unsolved murders that occur in California

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before Jack exits California and we don't see any murders

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for about fourteen months that are unsolved. Now, it's not

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that I'm saying he committed all of these murders that

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we're about to talk about. Harriet kind of fills in

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some of the things that she believes the solves are

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sharing with us in regards to some of these victims.

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A lot of people have believed that other people were

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involved with some of these killings. So kind of does

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make some sense here that not all of these murders

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can be completely attributed to Jack, but based on his proximity,

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he should be considered or at least investigated in regards

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to them. So we are going to start out in

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September thirtieth of nineteen seventy five with Janet Lee Bowman

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from Humboldt. She was found in Eureka. We have letters

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to Eureka from the Zodiac Killer. Do you have any

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information on Janetlye Bowman, Harriet.

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No, but that has I think something to do with

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I think we're going to find that John Walsh and

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Rebe Walsher somewhere is involved with that because there's a

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lot going on in that uh, that county, that regent

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that is evolving them. So I don't I haven't solved anything.

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Was John Walsh from the same was John Walsh from

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the Santa Rosa region.

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Dennis said that when he met with John Walsh on

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a number of times outside of the show that he did,

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that he had connections to Mendocino County and that part

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of you know, Santa Rosa in that area, so connections

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like born there. Well you forgot that, sure, Yeah.

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All right, So I'm gonna just got to read you guys.

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One of the latest This was an article written on

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March seventh of twenty twenty two. Cold case HSU student

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found strangled and raped in a case that may have

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been the work of a serial killer. Rightfully, so I

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shouldn't have this in my presentation because I do not

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believe that the Zodiac killer was a rapist, nor any

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of the crimes that we've looked where a sexual assault

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may have occurred using a different object. So he wasn't

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actually a rapist. He was making it look like they

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were raped versus actually having raped them. But we're going

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to talk about this anyways, because it is another one

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of the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murder type murders. In fall

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of nineteen seventy five, the murder of a San Diego

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woman enrolled at Humboldt State University preceded three other similar

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deaths in Humboldt County that would occur over the next

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nine months. Four women's bodies were found within those nine months,

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strangled in rape. Law enforcement in the public speculated whether

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the deaths were the result of a serial killer. To date,

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the homicides remain unsolved, their similarities unmistakable but definitely proven

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to be the work of only one but not definitively

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sorry proven to be the work of only one perpetrator.

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Over the course of the next few weeks, we at

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URHBB will be covering these cold cases individually. We'll then

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take an in depth look at any similarities or differences,

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as well as possible suspects. The partially disrobed body of

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Janetly Bowman nineteen was found in brush off the side

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of Highway two ninety nine near the Corbel Way station

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east of Blue Lake on October sixth, nineteen seventy five,

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almost forty seven years after her death. Her murder remains unsolved.

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On the morning of October sixth, around eleven thirty am,

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the Humboldt County Sheriff's Office received a letter from an

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anonymous witness who had discovered the body but did not

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want to be involved in the case. The letter, postmark

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on Saturday, October fourth, gave the HCSO directions to Bowman's

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body that was found partially disrobed, hidden in a bush

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off in the Demonstration Forest. Hcso's Lieutenant Roy Simmons said

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that the anonymous tipster was not suspected in the crime.

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According to the San Rafel Independent Journal, Bowman graduated from

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Rhonet Park Rancho Katati High School in nineteen seventy four

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before enrolling at Diversity in Arcada. The five foot two

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inch ninety five pound Bowman lived in Arcada during her

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freshman year at HSU. After completing her freshman year in

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the spring, Bowman had spent her summer in San Diego

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with her mother, Nancy Bowman, who had moved to southern

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California after Janet graduated high School. Bowman returned to Humboldt

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County on September twenty at the nineteen seventy five to

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enrolling classes for her sophomore year at HSU. Upon her return,

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she rented a one bedroom apartment on Pigeon Point Road

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in Eureka. The Bowmen did not own a vehicle and

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was known to frequently hitchhike to get around. The middle

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child of John and Nancy. Bowman was last seen in

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the morning of September thirtieth at the Welfare office in Eureka.

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Witnesses said that she was attempting to hitchhike back to

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her apartment on Pingeon Point Road. A missing persons report

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was filed for Bowman on October third, after her friends

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noticed she had not attended any of her classes that week.

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Lieutenant Simmons said that Bowman's friends told detectives that Bowman

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did not have a boyfriend and did not date. They

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stated that she was very shy. After the anonymous letter

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led to the discovery of Bowmen's body, HCSO told the

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media that there were no wounds visible on the body

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other than bruising on Bowman's face and throat. A subsequent

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autopsy revealed that she had been strangled and probably raped.

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How do they say? Probably raped? All right, well, let

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me finish. Hold on, I said, let me finish. This

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letter sassified her death is rape and strangulation, even though

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the original news reports did not definitively confirm the rape.

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Investigators asked for the public's help and determining if anyone

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had witnessed Bowman getting into a vehicle, suspecting that she

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was murdered by whoever had picked her up hitchhiking. Also

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of interest to investigators were the clothing items belonging to

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the victim that were not located where her body was found.

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Bowman was last seen wearing a homemade red skirt with

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floral pattern on its over straight leg blue jeans. She

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had on a blue down jacket size five point five,

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size five and a half orange Swede shoes, and had

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been carrying a Camp Trails brand green canvas with a

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zipper pocket and tie strings. No leads proved fruitful for detectives,

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leading them to offer a five hundred dollars reward for

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information about the death of Janet Bowman. According to an

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October twenty second article on the Time Standard at the

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time HCSO had a secret witness program to provide anonymity

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by allowing potential witnesses to send information to the HCSO

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through the mail. Witness accounts were written down, including a

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six digit code that the letter writer would include in

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the correspondence and again at the bottom corner of the letter,

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which they would then tear off and keep. If the

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witness account led to the capture of the killer, the

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HCSO would publish the six digit code from the letter

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in the local newspaper, allowing the tipster to collect the reward. However,

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the reward enticement did not result in any substantial leads,

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with the murderers still at large. The Time Standard printed

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an opinion piece titled Extreme Dangers of hitch Hiking. The

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article highlighted the rape and murder of Bowman and the

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probability that the perpetrator was someone that had picked the

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student up while hitchhiking. Paper stated that over fifteen female

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hitchhikers had been raped or sexually assaulted from nineteen seventy

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four to nineteen seventy five. A different article stated that

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the number was over twenty. Janetly Bowman, the granddaughter of

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Reverend Ilian T. Jones, baptized at the age of five,

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was laid to rest just seventeen days after she returned

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to Humboldt County. Her life was snuffed out by a

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killer that was never had to answer for her murder.

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She was just nineteen years old at the time of

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her death. Of course, the HCSO asked that if anyone

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has information to share about this case, please contact our

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crime tip Line at seven oh seven two six eight

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two five three nine, submit information using our crime Online

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crime tip form or email HSO t ip L I

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N E at CO dot Humboldt dot ca A dot us.

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Please reference the case number associated with the case when

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recording information. The case number for the death of Janetlee

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Bowman is one nine seven five zero nine five four three.

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All right, So, now, what were you going to say there, Harriet?

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Oh my god, there is so much anagrammable information in there.

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So my we.

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Can't We can't anagram somebody's article in twenty twenty two.

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We don't even know if that information is correct. We

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don't even know if the information is correct.

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That's what I'm trying to tell you. That's what's been

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reported over the years.

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And then you are and they misconstrue that side.

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That's me And this is in the National Center. I

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think it probably went into the database name this, and

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so there is and that's all sounding a lot like

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what happened with Okay. The Secret Witness Program was also.

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I read a lot of that story. I remember reading

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it because Kim Lindy Allen and the other center rose

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a hitch murders, the dangers of hitchhiking. This is I

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know you find it hard to believe, but there's so

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much of this database that's inable and guess a story

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and then.

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You find out. I understand that, but this is written

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in twenty twenty two. They couldn't report the news straight

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the day it happened, so when we're hearing it go ahead.

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I don't think that's her point. There's also the word eureka,

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and I don't know about the timing of that, but

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that's isn't that in one of the Zodiac killers? What

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do you call it? Postmarks? Yes, yes, I know what

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she's getting at there. She's just saying there's certain phrases

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in certain terms being used.

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I know, but we can't pick or choose those phrases.

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Anonymously or or randomly to ark and back. They harken back,

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Yes they do. There is definitely some some uh connection

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or some type of you know, coincidence between the statements

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that are being made. And I don't believe in coincidences.

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You guys are right. I believe that there's a connection

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between everything. However, what I'm saying is is this is

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from twenty twenty two and they couldn't get the news

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street when it happened. You know, everybody reports something completely

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different about the case. So who are we to determine

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what is true and what is not and what will

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form a message? Is all I'm saying. That's all I'm

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saying that that's.

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How you figure it out, because if it comes up

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with the same names John Edward Walsh Junior or Vee

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Walsh and Cocaine and Sam g and Conna, that's how you.

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But I think you could if you put it right,

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things out you couldn't come about this.

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You're not getting this. You're you're not getting this because

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John Edward Walsh from or Bay Walsh are still around

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and they're doing a lot of stuff. But anyways, so

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we'll get past that. I'm just saying that it can

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you can find a whole bunch of information that just

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see it matches facts and figures that have now evolved.

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But anyways, that's what.

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You want to hear. A little side note all this

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when you said to where cocaine? I didn't know this,

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but I learned the other day that the Secret Service

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found cocaine in the White House during Biden's administration. They

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wanted to strike. I was just on the news yesterday,

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was on the assassination at tamp footage, and I didn't

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had never heard that before. Thank you very much for

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the deep state news. But anyway, that's all that I thought.

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I know where she's I know where herriot's going from.

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About that, I get that.

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I feel like I watched in a documentary with Bush

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them trying to bust somebody over cocaine. Dream was that

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the Iron Contra scandal, Like they were trying to set

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somebody literally up right outside of the house.

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Yeah, yeah, money it was. It's a it's a cash crop,

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that's why.

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Yeah, of course it is.

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Yeah, and it was under Reagan, under Reagan Reagan, but

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I'm Republican, but I admit it. I'm seeing a lot

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about Reagan. I mean, he's got a dark side. He

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was the ultimate cocaine cowboy. The cocaine was slowing, it

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was everywhere, So that's all.

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I'm just wow, that's all I had.

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It's a cash crop and the reality is that, all right, we.

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Won't make it to occk if we keep talking about cocaine.

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In the Whitehouse.

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Now. Our next murder is on October sixteenth, and nineteen

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seventy five, nineteen year old Susan Loriie die under the

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overpass of Highway one oh one near Dutch Creek Road

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outside Cloverdale, northeast of Santa Rosa. So this is another

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one that's attributed to the Santa Rosa hitchhiker murders. Do

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you have any information on Susan Loriie die?

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Lift and that's one to do, gotcha?

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All right?

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So she's originally from Santa Clara. She's one hundred and

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fifteen pounds with long brown hair and eyes, fully clothed

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in place where she laid rather than thrown from a

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car hitchhiking home from strangled. I don't know if I

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did that right. Hands had been tied. I think maybe

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that should have been its own line that she was strangled,

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hands had been tied. Her dog was founded a nearby

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Cloverdale school with a piece of rope tied to it

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that matched the rope on her backpack found nearby. She

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had died on an hour before she was found, and

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had eaten an hour before that. And that reminded me

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of the babysitter killer, which we're going to be entering

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into here with the Oakland County Child Murders research info.

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She was made to look different and left out in

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the open, as this killer has shown the eagerness to do.

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I wanted to know what her family connections were, but

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I wasn't really able to find a lot about this. Now,

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on October twenty eighth of nineteen seventy five, we have

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Jack actually marrying Mary Nora Chicone in Rito, Nevada, and

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we see a four month break in murders from October

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nineteen seventy five to well, I thought March of nineteen

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seventy six, so it's really not a four month, it's

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more like a two month. I believe we're going to

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see more murders start to pick up. Oh, here we go,

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and well, this one is actually attributed to DiAngelo. So

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I have now put his name on it. I don't

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feel the need to go completely through it, but a

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suspect that it was a police officer chasing him down

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and he shot back, hitting the police officer's flashlight. But

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evidently DiAngelo got away. And the only reason why I

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left this in here is that this may likely be

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where the sighting in that original composite that we had

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seen in my research in twenty sixteen that showed a

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completely different person than DiAngelo as the suspect that they

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were looking for. But that's all I wanted to say.

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On that Christmas of nineteen seventy five, we see that

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Jack and Nora are at the new house at fifty

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six hundred San Vincent Vincente Way in North Highlands, California.

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Jack appears to have black streaks and his hair in

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some of these pictures, and it's parted on the same

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size side as one of the composites in the Sacramento

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Nurses Murders. The nineteen seventy six ancestry dot Com confirms

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this address for Jack W. Mela Terrence. I don't understand

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why his name comes up as Jack W. Mela Terrence,

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but that's what was found through ancestry dot com. We

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know it's Jack, I mean Jack and Terrence well Jack

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w I don't know where the meala came from. December

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twenty third of nineteen seventy five is the first doctor's

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report of a work related injury from Cameron Parkshell. Jack

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is obviously needing some money because we know he's getting ready.

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We know now he's getting ready to lead the state.

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Doctor Robert M. Herman report November one of nineteen seventy

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four indicates that no specific diagnosis could be determined. Doctor

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Robert M. Herman also reported on April eleventh of nine,

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eighteen seventy four. He indicates, after inspecting Jack's hands, I

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believe that he is considerably more active than he has

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reported to me. He also has several recent scars and

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areas of contusion on his left thorax and left shoulder,

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which he states occurred while playing with the neighborhood children

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and falling to the pavement. Doctor Robert F. Ficial report,

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May twentieth of nineteen seventy five. I feel this man

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could be working at this time if he's so desired.

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So Jack's back issues are probably a ruse and Doctor

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John Lavorna declares Jack fit to work. So here we

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have this person who's claiming to be injured trying to

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take out a work comp case against Cameron Shell Cameron Parkshell.

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We also know that he does include the South Lake

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Tahoe City Linen Company in this particular request as well.

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So he is complaining and stating that he's uncapable of working,

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yet he can be outside playing with the neighborhood kids

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if that's what we believe. Does anybody believe he was

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playing with the kids?

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No, not a nice.

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Way to them, something as in what he thinks is playing.

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He's really mixed up at that time point. I'm seeing it.

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Jack is admitting it in the codes I got.

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You know, it's crazy that I have an ex that

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used to say to other people, Hey, want to go

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play in the backyard, And what he meant is give

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me an opportunity to just whoop your ass. Oh I

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said that out loud.

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Sorry.

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Yeah, it was a very negative thing and something different

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to everybody for sure.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Here's the pictures of what Jack looked like in nineteen

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seventy five. We can see that hair parted on the side.

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We can see the dark dark coloration. We can even

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see some of the dark streaks in his beard. Zodiac

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was described to have been wearing brown pleated pants with

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shiny shoes. You can clearly see in this picture Jack

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is wearing brown pleated pants with shiny shoes. Oh the

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things that hit come. So this is at the North

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Highlands residence where him and Nora were at that particular

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point in time in December of nineteen seventy five, and

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we can see the Christmas tree behind Jack. Here's some

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continuations of those pictures. And here is actually one of

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the composites that came about in regards to the nurses

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murders in the Sacramento area. This was one of three

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composites that were given. I found that each each composite

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that was given gave us a completely different look. But

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I want to almost say, I want to go back

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and look now and see if one of those composites

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were consistent with one of the composites in the DiAngelo case.

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So we may be looking at, you know, a completely

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different person once again. But it's all in this presentation

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so that it can all be considered now. The Occk

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murderers beginning in January of nineteen seventy six. So synopsis

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on the cases. Now, this actually times better than the

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Minnesota murders that occurred in nineteen seventy four with Jack

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actively going and scouting the new residents, because we're going

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to see that he is moving very shortly at this

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point in time to Minnesota, and we see that the

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Oakland County child murders pick up on January of nineteen

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seventy six. This was one of the recent articles that

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I found that gives us a brief synopsis on the case.

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So I'm going to read that and then we're going

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to hop into more information in regards to these cases.

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So this is done by Eaton Sheer on April thirteenth

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of twenty eighteen. It says The Oakland County Child Killer,

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Part three, the King's Discovery. After forty two years, it

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seems that most Americans don't think about the mystery murderer

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that terrified the country long ago. The killer, who the

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media dubbed the Babysitter, has been long forgotten, as well

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as hopes of finding him. Some of the only people

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still actively pursuing the case are the family of Timothy King,

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the fourth and final victim of the murders now they

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stay fourth. I'm going to show you, guys seven. We're

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going to talk about seven different murders. And I believe

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that the first ones were when Jack was scouting, and

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then the balance of them will have been when he

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was actively living outside of California in the Minnesota area.

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For a while. Bery King, Timothy's father, was content with

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the Oakland County Police's work. He truly thought that the

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authorities had done their best. That changed in two thousand

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and six, when a phone call led him to take

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the end of investigation into his own hands. The call

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was from Patrick Coffee, an old neighbor. See here's the

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Patrick Coffee you sent me this article. I think Terry right.

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The call was from Patrick Coffee, an old neighbor who

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had grown up across the street from the Kings. He

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was a child at the time of the murders and

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was inspired by them to become an attorney so he

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could put criminals behind bars. Much of the reason I

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went into this profession was because of what happened to

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Tim Coffee said. Coffee described an encounter he had recently

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experienced to King. He had been speaking with Lawrence Wasser,

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a polygraph examiner from Southfield. Southfield is going to become

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very point important. I want everybody to key in on

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this word southeld, because we're going to show you some

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I'm getting goosebumps just saying that we're going to show

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you some things that are more than a coincidence. Coffee

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had mentioned that he became an attorney because of the

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Oakland County child killer case. This prompted Wasser to claim

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that he knew the killer's identity. Wasser said he had

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done a polygraph test on the killer long ago in

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a case unrelated to the child killings. The unidentified culprit

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had somehow led it slip that he was the Oakland

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County child murder killer. Wasser also mentioned that the killer

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and his attorney were now deceased. He did not reveal

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any names. Later, when contacted by police, Wasser would claim

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that Pat Coffee's information is totally bogus. Coffee still stands

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by what he heard. After hearing Coffee's revelations, Barry King

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was dumbfounded. After all, he hadn't heard of a single

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advancement in the case since the task force disbanded in

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nineteen seventy eight. King informed his daughter Kathy brought of

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the news. She contacted Livingston police with the new information.

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They now knew that the killer and his lawyer were

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both dead. Now they're making a claim to substantiate something

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Wasser is saying was totally bogus. So who do we

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believe really? This narrowed the suspects down to one man,

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Chris Bush. By two thousand and six, neither the public

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nor King had heard of Bush's suicide or the drawing

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of the screaming child in his apartment. Barry King said

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that Bush was the best lead they had. However, in

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two thousand and six, police told King that Bush was

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no longer a suspect. This led King to believe that

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the police were hiding information. He filed a request for

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Bush's police file under the Freedom of Information Act. The

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police handed over a four hundred and eleven pages of

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documents to the King family on December fifteenth, twenty ten.

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Barry King learned a considerable amount from the files. For one,

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there was a lot of information on Chris Busch's history.

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In nineteen seventy seven, he had an accomplice, Gregory Green,

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were charged with molesting a boy in Flint when interrogated,

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Green said that Chris Bush had killed Mark Steppins. When interrogated,

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Green said that okay. His accomplice said that Chris Bush

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had killed Mark Stebbins, the first victim in the killings.

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He said that he and Green had planned to abduct

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and molest young boys. He added that they had searched

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for boys in Ferndale, Royal Oaks, and Berkeley. Ferndale and

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Royal Oaks or more places to key in. As we

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go through this, these were the locations where the first

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three What's that Lindale, California, No, No, Michigan. These were

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the locations where the first three victims had been abducted. Bush,

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on the other hand, admitted to be in a pedophile

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but not to killing anyone. He passed a polygraph test.

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Neither of the two was investigated any further. Green pleaded

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guilty and received life in prison, while Bush was released

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on probation. We'll talk about why he was released on probation.

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Huh.

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To this date, it is unclear that why they received

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00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:49.880
the same charges.

460
00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:50.920
We know.

461
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:54.319
Two months after Bush's release, Timothy King, the last victim,

462
00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:58.160
was abducted. The documents revealed that Chris Bush drove a

463
00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.880
blue Vega with a white stripe, which why this blue

464
00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:04.000
Vega keeps coming up in these crimes. This car looks

465
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:06.799
very similar to the infamous blue Gremlin with a stripe

466
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:09.720
that was present at Timothy King's abduction. It is possible

467
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.680
that the witnesses would have confused the two cars. Barry

468
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:14.880
King still believes that Bush was the killer. There is

469
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:18.799
evidence supporting him. Bush had molested kids in the past,

470
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:22.279
and after killing himself two years following Timothy's death, police

471
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:24.559
found bloody ropes and a drawing of a screaming boy

472
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:27.680
in his apartment. The boy bore a strong resemblance to

473
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.720
Mark Stebbins, the same boy Green claim Bush had killed.

474
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.960
It took King twenty eight years to find this information,

475
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:36.680
twenty eight years of blindly wondering who killed his son,

476
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:39.559
while the police held precious information just out of his reach.

477
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:42.119
He didn't even know about the drawing of the boy.

478
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:45.599
While it bears a strong resemblance to Mark Stebbins than

479
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.839
to his own son, this information is still crucial. In

480
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.039
two thousand and eight, King convinced investigators to re examine

481
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:55.319
Bush's polygraph test. The results came back different. This time,

482
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:58.720
detective discovered that either Bush had not been telling the

483
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:02.640
truth or the tests were in inconclusive. The authorities also

484
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:06.759
got a search warrant to search Bush's old house. No

485
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:09.599
evidence was found. In twenty ten, the police announced that

486
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.680
Bush was no longer a suspect. King, however, thinks that

487
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:15.319
the authorities are hiding something. He believes that the police

488
00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:17.960
had found Bush guilty of the killings years after the case,

489
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:21.279
but covered it up. According to his theory, they did

490
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:23.960
this to hide their embarrassing police work and or to

491
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.759
protect the status of Bush's father. King has posted this

492
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.559
theory and all of his evidence proving Bush's involvement on

493
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:37.440
his blog, A Father's Story hyphenocck dot com. Whenever the

494
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.680
case is re examined, Barry King always insists that Chris

495
00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:44.759
Bush was behind these killings. Jessica Cooper, the Oakland County prosecutor,

496
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:49.480
feels differently. He believes he believes that he has found

497
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:52.559
the killer. She explained, we've explained to him why the

498
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:56.319
person who he's chosen as not. Cooper also said that

499
00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.400
they'd preferred focus on a living suspect. Even if we

500
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:03.000
could prove it, we couldn't prosecute it. She said. King

501
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.000
still thinks that the killer's identity is out there somewhere.

502
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:09.160
The identity of the Oakland County child killer remains a

503
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.200
mystery that may never be solved. However, his killing spree

504
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.759
will never be forgotten. In a world filled with mal malevolence,

505
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:21.400
the only true way to destroy evil is to stick

506
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:24.119
together and not lose hope. If this can be achieved,

507
00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:28.599
maybe atrocities like the Oakland County child murders can be prevented.

508
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:33.480
All right, So let's hear it. Terry B.

509
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.640
Say what I know about Mark? Oh, Terry B. First there, Yeah,

510
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.400
Terry B, he knows a lot.

511
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:44.359
You'll probably be quicker, Harriet, go.

512
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:49.000
Ahead, Yeah, I'll be really quick. I found out that

513
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:54.400
Mark Steppens appeared to be Robert Steppens's son, Robert Stevens.

514
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.960
Stepens worked for Nixon and then went into I think

515
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:05.200
the State Department field and helped get Trot Tot Tran Harrman,

516
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:08.559
who became a future victim of Jack's out of Vietnam

517
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:12.559
when it was collapsing. And and also Kathy Wynn, a

518
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:19.960
future anthrax victim of Jack's. So that's number one for me.

519
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:25.920
That probably did kill Mark Stebbins for because that's also

520
00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:31.480
involved with Watergate and uh missing transcripts. So that's a

521
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:34.839
lot to throw in there. But then also is not

522
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:37.240
very King an attorney.

523
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:42.680
Yes, he was very much. I think you actually, Terry

524
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:47.079
B actually brought up Very King. I think one was

525
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:52.440
wearing the buttons. You said you promote something about Vietnam.

526
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:54.319
What was that?

527
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:56.599
That's that's a guess on my part is that the

528
00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:59.799
button hants that are on the Zodiac. I don't want

529
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:01.960
to hear it off. She has some more shots to say,

530
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.160
but oh, just.

531
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.359
One one more really quick. Barry King, I believe represented

532
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:12.720
somebody who was connected to Lyddy little Lenny Schultz, which

533
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:18.319
is brought up in the Zodiac. Communications about things going

534
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:21.839
on a ship and stuff like that. We've but that's

535
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.680
why that was my two big major things I had.

536
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:27.400
But I know Terry b has really covered a lot

537
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:31.200
about this and knew about the Oakland child murders. But

538
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:35.920
that's my two inputs.

539
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.240
And let's not let's go back to that. That's very cool.

540
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.240
Mary King served in Vietnam and some capacity and with

541
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:48.079
higher ranking capacity something to do with repatriating Vietnam means

542
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:51.920
people that were in the militarized zone further south and

543
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:55.519
rebuilding their villages further south. And if you do something

544
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:57.559
like that, you're going to want to organize the names.

545
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.880
And it's my guess, just a guess. Perhaps he made

546
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.640
some buttons for these people to wear to keep track

547
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:08.119
of who was who for in both English and in Vietnamese.

548
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.799
That's just a guess on my part. But he played

549
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.839
some role there, and that's the only evidence I have.

550
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.720
But I think the evidence that you indicated, Harriet might

551
00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.880
be more spot on. I don't know, but I don't

552
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.079
think we should go down that road. I think that

553
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.240
we should go down that road. But anyway, these all

554
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:29.880
happened within a fairly short window of time, these seven victims.

555
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.599
So if you want to say something about this hair

556
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.839
this the net, go ahead. But I just sent this

557
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:40.599
document your way, and I got this from Kathy Broad

558
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:45.319
and it's I don't know the veracity of it, but

559
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:50.000
there it is. And those are all suspicious, although some

560
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:54.160
of them, I think they got one of these victims.

561
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:57.880
They've got somebody clearly convicted on it that was probably

562
00:31:57.960 --> 00:32:02.000
responsible for all the baby said. So go ahead and

563
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:03.920
say what you're going to say next, or what you

564
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.039
want me to say hoping I.

565
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.200
Was hoping that I could read this better. When you

566
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.759
blow this document up, Terry B, are you capable of

567
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.200
reading these specs inside of here? Because this is a

568
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.640
comparison of facts surrounded the seven sc cases.

569
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:19.359
Well, let me just see it. Just take me home

570
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:21.839
and a look of my own files of day. I

571
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.000
believe saw, I think, so all right, well.

572
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:25.880
I will continue on with what I have then while

573
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.039
you do that. So what we're looking at on my

574
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:32.920
screen now is the comparison of facts surrounded seven cases.

575
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.640
So I want to stop everybody when you think it

576
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:39.079
was just four murderers or whatever, there were more murders

577
00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:43.160
that were happening in Michigan that can be attributed obviously

578
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.839
based on the comparison of the facts. So we have

579
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:49.039
seven murders in fourteen months. We had the Zodiac who

580
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.599
had seven accepted victims in eleven months. So the timeframe

581
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.559
and for the way that that all wraps itself up

582
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:56.680
is pretty similar.

583
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:03.079
Okay. Mine is in a JPEG format which was converted

584
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:05.799
from PDF, and it is readable. So if you need

585
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:06.839
a better copyl to.

586
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.880
Do it a different way, please, Yes, no, I absolutely

587
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:14.200
would love to see what the information wrapped around that is.

588
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.319
We do have some information. I just feel like there's

589
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.440
a lot more that could be gleaned from that list

590
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:25.880
of information that actually cross connects these murders. So that's

591
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:28.519
going to bring us to our first murder. January fifteenth

592
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:33.039
of nineteen seventy six, Cynthia Ray could do in Roseville, Michigan. Again,

593
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:35.680
this would be, in my mind, the timeframe in which

594
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:40.240
Jack would actively be scouting out his or supposedly scouting

595
00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:42.599
out the new residents. But it puts him less than

596
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.480
twelve hours away. Where he's about to move to is

597
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:49.839
twelve hours away from these where these crimes occur. Her

598
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:52.880
body was found on Franklin Road in Bloomfield Township. She

599
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.759
was bludgeoned to death. Her skull was crushed by a

600
00:33:55.759 --> 00:34:00.519
blunt blunt instrument. She was sixteen years old, raped and sawed,

601
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.480
possibly by more than one person, rumors abducted by four men,

602
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.159
and clothing kept by a girlfriend. I don't know how

603
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:12.039
a girlfriend would have kept her clothing, but we do

604
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:14.719
know that there was some information about a John Hatfield

605
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.480
or Hackfield friend of Jack's that came to live with

606
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.400
him and the family in Texas when they made the

607
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.920
move from Minnesota. This guy came with Jack to Texas.

608
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:30.199
Per Dennis, it's approximately fifteen miles from Carol Settlemeier's home,

609
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:35.920
which is seventeen minutes away. And we found this phone

610
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:40.920
book in Jack's things which belonged to somebody called Carol Settlemeyer.

611
00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:46.840
Her her location at the time was Springfield, Michigan. So

612
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.119
this is why Springfield is going to keep coming up,

613
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:51.639
you guys. It is the central location to all of

614
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:53.320
these crimes we are about to hear.

615
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:58.000
Go ahead, Terry Hatfield is in that book that you've got,

616
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:03.400
the one that has the flowery I'm covering on the address.

617
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.119
I realized that, Yeah, I realize it, and I haven't

618
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:08.320
gotten to that yet. I haven't gotten to that yet.

619
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:10.840
But this is what this is what Dennis was telling

620
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:13.400
me before even knowing that that name was in this

621
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.840
phone book of Carol Settlemeyer. Dennis had told me either

622
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:20.079
John Hatfield or Hackfield, and I couldn't remember which one,

623
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.199
so I just put both names in here.

624
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:24.840
That's going to be very key when we get just

625
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.440
looking at the Chris Bush death, which was definitely not

626
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:32.199
a suicide. He was murdered and that blanket at the

627
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:35.000
foot of his bed is a dead giveaway. And that's

628
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.199
a Zodiac Jack one oh one primate that that doesn't

629
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:41.679
even fit into quorum of that room. And that matches

630
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:43.599
the cover of that book that you have, and that

631
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:44.239
so that's.

632
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.679
I heard you talk about that very interesting. I do

633
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:49.559
put up a u r L here for info on

634
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:51.440
the O C c K murders. If you want to

635
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:55.800
take that down. It is https cool and Ford Slash

636
00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:00.920
forward slash www dot, n c j R dot GUV

637
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:07.199
forward slash pdf files one forward Slash digitization forward slash

638
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:12.639
five three eight zero five ncjrs dot pdf and that

639
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:14.760
will contain a lot of the information that I've used

640
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:19.239
in this presentation. That brings us to the next murder,

641
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.519
which is merely four days after. On January nineteenth of

642
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:27.599
nineteen seventy six, Sheila Schwack in Birmingham, Michigan. She's fourteen

643
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.800
years of age, found nude, raped and sodomized, shot several times.

644
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:36.639
Nineteen sixty seven. Cadillac is involved, per an eyewitness. I

645
00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:39.199
wanted to check a Michigan license plate that was found

646
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:41.639
with that phone book I do have. I did find

647
00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:44.679
that I actually kept the number, though I didn't shoot

648
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.400
a picture of the actual license plate, so maybe we

649
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:51.000
have some information for them to go off of. Eyewitnesses

650
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:54.119
describes a man as thin, young white male eighteen to

651
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:57.320
twenty five years old, five foot ten inches to six

652
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.960
feet tall, with a sparse beard, pointed chain and prominent

653
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.840
nos man hung out in a crowd asking questions suspect

654
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:10.920
Supposedly suspects supposedly broke into three other houses before murdering

655
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:15.760
Strock and climbed into the described vehicle. This maybe the

656
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.800
second mail I believe is involved with Jack and these murders.

657
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:23.280
Houses five miles from Carol Settlemeyer again eleven minutes. That's

658
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:26.320
that phone book in Jack's belongings, fourteen years old and

659
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:29.519
last seen at seven eleven a convenience store where Laura

660
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:33.320
Miller and so many other people were stolen. Found June sixth,

661
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:39.159
nineteen seventy six, stabbed to death. So I'm confused because

662
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:43.320
the first information stated that she was shot several times,

663
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.599
and now more information is saying stab to death. So

664
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.000
this is what I mean by the information that we're

665
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:52.199
being given Harriet, and what's being produced. What do we believe?

666
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.159
What information from this would you take that she was

667
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.440
stabbed to death or that she was shot several times?

668
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.960
Well, I would try to cross verify it with some

669
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:08.159
old nameless files, so that's and then some other file systems,

670
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.719
and then see what they're saying. And if they're saying

671
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:14.800
it's both, could be both, then you would use both

672
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:18.920
because then you anagram and you'll get a whole amazing

673
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:24.400
story of Jack Tarns did stab her three times, but

674
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:30.599
his co conspirator, the irishman I'm making this stuff up, okay,

675
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:34.400
shot her three times, so to make sure the victim

676
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:36.000
would not talk.

677
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:40.400
You know, we're just eating as a hypothetical, not really

678
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:41.239
making things.

679
00:38:41.079 --> 00:38:47.440
Up because I'm seeing that often. So that there were

680
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:50.559
two people killing blah blah blah, and to make sure

681
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:51.360
they wouldn't talk.

682
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:58.559
So Birmingham, Michigan is literally just minutes away from Southfield, Michigan,

683
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:00.960
which is where the owner of that phone book found

684
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.360
in Jack's belongings was living at the time. And I

685
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.079
want everybody to understand that the reason why this phone

686
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.440
book became such a hot topic is when I started

687
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.199
reviewing the information inside of it, I was able to

688
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.519
contact her family and find out that during this shortly

689
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:20.360
after Timothy King's murder, that she up and just left

690
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:24.880
the state, moving to California, literally back to South Lake

691
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:29.360
Tahoe where Jack just moved from and did not speak

692
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.840
to say anything to her family for almost thirty years.

693
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.719
So that in itself is kind of a big, huge

694
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.400
what the heck? Who the hell just just takes ups

695
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:40.480
and takes off and says nothing to their family.

696
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:42.239
Seven eleven.

697
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:49.480
By the way, right February fifteenth. February fifteenth, nineteen seventy six,

698
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.679
we are actually at Mark Stebbens at this point. So

699
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:56.239
found February nineteenth, nineteen seventy six on ten Mile Road

700
00:39:56.280 --> 00:40:00.000
in Greenfield in Ferndale, Michigan. He was twelve years old,

701
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:03.639
wearing blue hooded parka. There's a lot of blue jackets

702
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:08.880
in these cases, a lot of blue jackets blue. So

703
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:11.719
we had blue sweatshirts in another case and blue jackets

704
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:15.159
in another case. Like he's left in an American legion hall,

705
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.800
which is that military connection and bar connection. He was

706
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:21.519
held for four days. Found at one five six six

707
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:25.760
zero West ten Mile Roads, Southfield, Michigan. So now he's

708
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:30.960
literally taken from Ferndale, Michigan or found at Ferndale, Michigan.

709
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.719
And let's see or for ten mile road, and then

710
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:39.280
where is my I wanted to see where my Springfield,

711
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.599
Michigan was in between here, so that will see if

712
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.559
we can tell as I go through. So February nineteenth

713
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.440
and nineteen seventy six dumped on a snowbank, bathed and cleaned, strangled,

714
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.199
and sexually assaulted with an object. So here we have

715
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.559
what Maybe this is why they couldn't correctly identify as

716
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:01.760
to whether or not the last person had actually been raped,

717
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:04.760
because maybe they were sexually assaulted with an object, which

718
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:07.320
I do find is consistent with some of the things

719
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.639
that I believe is connected to the Zodiac case.

720
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:14.159
Well, that that Stepan's victim was found in a parking

721
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.840
on the front of a parking lot, and I sent

722
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.400
her the picture of that. Didn't you get that?

723
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:19.800
I did?

724
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.280
But this says left in an American Legion hall. So

725
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:23.800
that could have been in a parking.

726
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.519
That who over wrote that reports full of craft there

727
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:31.119
there he left from an American legion hall.

728
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.599
Oh, I might have read that wrong. I might have

729
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:35.760
read that wrong. Then it was And I do have

730
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.800
other I do have other people, we have victims that

731
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:41.519
were taken from things like the Moose Lodge and the

732
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:44.000
American Legion work.

733
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:48.000
There, other work there. There's information to show that this

734
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:52.599
was a sophisticated crime because her phone number was unlisted

735
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.760
and she could not understand how anybody got her phone number.

736
00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.360
So missus, missus, her name was something else, I think

737
00:41:59.400 --> 00:41:59.960
other than Steven.

738
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.199
So who got her? Who got her phone number?

739
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.599
What do you mean, well, somebody, there's one of the

740
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:08.400
documents that I sent you is was a taunting call

741
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:10.639
that came to her place right when the cops are

742
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.960
in her house, and he said some nasty things to

743
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:18.320
her and uh and cluding that he was going to

744
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.679
essentially rape her or something of that effect. But it's

745
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.760
I sent one of those documents to you. And that's

746
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:28.679
where this and I mean laying in the in the

747
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.679
parking lot, that's where he was placed on display in

748
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:34.840
the front of a park, a busy place exactly.

749
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.119
And that's what we're going to see with several of

750
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.519
these particular victims that the killer did not have a

751
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:43.920
problem displaying them out I believe not too far from

752
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:46.599
the Troy Police Department in Michigan. So we're going to

753
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.400
see that that public display just like black, do you.

754
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.719
They claimed that there was firm in his throat too,

755
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:56.119
and I had to double check that, but I'm that's

756
00:42:56.119 --> 00:43:00.840
what they claim in the documents and the autopsy. So anyway, go.

757
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:03.880
Ahead, all right, you're gonna definitely know more about this

758
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.559
than me. So I'm just giving us the blanketed information

759
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.000
and you are going to fill that in so it

760
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:11.760
shows that. It shows that the dump site is five

761
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:15.199
miles and only nine minutes from Carol settle Meyer's house.

762
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.199
The targeted area is Oakland County. We know that Jack

763
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.840
is from the Oakland area in California, you know the

764
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:27.519
Bay area there, You've got Oakland, San Jose, and Clara,

765
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:32.119
all these very interesting things. But I think that in

766
00:43:32.199 --> 00:43:35.719
itself is literally a coincidence, since if these are targets,

767
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:38.119
then it wouldn't matter where they were at he was

768
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:39.000
going after them.

769
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:39.519
Yeah.

770
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:45.199
So here's also, you had sent me across the picture

771
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:48.400
that was in found in Chris Bush's I just think

772
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:50.880
that that is so blatant. I think the picture you

773
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:52.440
showed me and we're going to get to that that

774
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:56.239
this is literally taped to his to his closet door.

775
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.440
If he was involved with this murder if he was

776
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.960
at any point in time, had he been responsible for

777
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:06.639
what happened to this child? Would you post this openly

778
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:08.119
in your room?

779
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:15.719
That's a dead giveaway that that was planted there. And

780
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.159
it's got only a crosshair asseymbol on the ear lobe

781
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.639
of the damn thing, and it's got all these markings

782
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:23.039
that are that Jack loved.

783
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:23.920
I have that. Yeah.

784
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:25.639
Let we're going to get to that because I do

785
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:28.119
have that in there. So I put this one up

786
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:30.480
to show people the drawing that was found in Chris

787
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:38.480
Bush's bedroom upon his suicide. His Yes, Now, Chris Bush's

788
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:42.760
father is a corporate I think he's a corporate accountant

789
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.840
for GMAC, both domestic and international. So he's a big

790
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:49.960
wig with lots of money. So when we look back

791
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.880
to why did Chris Bush get a different sentence than

792
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:56.559
Green for the same rape of a boy, this is

793
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:59.800
exactly why Chris Bush got a completely different sentence.

794
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.559
Rich people by justice.

795
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:03.280
Yes they do.

796
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:04.159
Yes.

797
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:08.360
Now, So this is that that uh picture of the

798
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:11.880
parking lot where you stated that this is the body

799
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:16.159
of Mark Stevens, correct, right, Okay, and then this is

800
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:20.079
actually the the uh well maybe it's I thought it

801
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:22.400
was on a closet, but closet door, but it looks

802
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.280
like it could be just hung on the wall. This

803
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:28.159
image is from Chris Bush death scene. A clear copy

804
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:31.480
of this drawing clearly shows several JT single or compound

805
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:34.920
and inverted inclusions, as well as crosshair symbols on the

806
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:39.280
ear lobe as found on California Zodiac killer case documents. Yes,

807
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:43.559
absolutely so, and that and that's your take on it

808
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.840
because you've studied this particular drawing quite intensely.

809
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:49.840
I have pretty good copies of that, I believe I

810
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:50.719
sent you.

811
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:52.840
Yeah, no, no, we're going to get to it. It's coming,

812
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.880
It's coming. One of the things I thought I would

813
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:58.599
throw up first is that officer you sent me an

814
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:03.519
investigation follow up and it says details Officers Dean and

815
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:06.519
Sykes went to the area where the body was found.

816
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.000
Officers were on the east side of the wall in

817
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:11.559
the parking lot of the New Orleans Mall. So it's

818
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:15.679
in a mall parking lot basically right right. Officers looked

819
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:18.519
down and observed a small two inch by four inch

820
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:21.280
card with the name mark Stebbens on it. It is

821
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.599
a card that was passed out at the funeral home

822
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:29.840
card was preserved for Prince and the tot Chaplin Ponovitch

823
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:36.960
Corporal Ponovich see diagram for exact location where found. And

824
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.760
Terry Bees noticed that the placement of Steben's funeral card

825
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:47.639
at body placement site is Jack one oh one Jack Zodiac. Well,

826
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:49.679
we do see that. In the Laura Miller case, Tim

827
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:53.199
Miller is indicated that somebody had gone back and desecrated

828
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:56.239
basically the shallow grave in which his daughter had been

829
00:46:56.280 --> 00:46:59.360
buried after her murder and dropped off some X rated

830
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:03.360
CDs in some things of that nature. So returning to

831
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:06.199
the crime scene or returning to the shallow graves. As

832
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:08.679
we know with many of these, we're finding bodies within

833
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:13.920
you yards of other bodies, We're finding body parts, especially

834
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.679
in the League City desks, we're actually finding the hands

835
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:19.159
of one victim in a shallow grave with the body

836
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:21.519
of another victim. So we clearly have somebody who is

837
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:24.400
repeating and going back to the last place that they

838
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:26.400
either buried or dumped a body.

839
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:30.400
Well, seven victims concentrated in that area in a really

840
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:31.239
short period of.

841
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:34.360
Time, very short period of time, and the whole time

842
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:38.119
that Jack is in Minnesota, twelve hours away with family.

843
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:41.079
Nora has family in Michigan, so reasons to be there.

844
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:43.920
And we know that he's not working, he's not doing

845
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:46.599
anything with his time, but he's certainly moving around with

846
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.159
money that I'm not sure how he's getting. I mean,

847
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:51.880
we know he sold the property in Mount Aukham, they

848
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:54.199
sold the car before they left. All of these things

849
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:58.440
transpired in late nineteen seventy five, previous to the move,

850
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:00.440
so maybe that's where we got the money. But he

851
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:03.400
seems to move around a lot freely for somebody who

852
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:04.440
has no income.

853
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:10.440
Yeah, he's I'm seeing it. He's definitely connected to the

854
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.440
deaths of sam Gi and Conna. He got paid for

855
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:18.639
that one, and that's nineteen seventy five, and he's connected

856
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:25.119
to helping kill Happa and so yeah, he's right there

857
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:28.239
in seventy five. So that's where the money came from.

858
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.000
And that's my take on that.

859
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:33.039
When was gane Conna kill.

860
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.280
Gian Conna. Let's try to get these au straight. They're

861
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:41.719
month apart. I think Giancanna was killed June thirtieth, nineteen

862
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:49.159
seventy five, and Happa is July thirty, first, seventy five,

863
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:51.800
so they're a month apart, and Jack is definitely in

864
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:54.800
that area helping to get those two dead.

865
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.679
So Jack well and he's not working. We know that

866
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:04.920
he indicates that he was purportedly on this disability from

867
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.880
March to June of seventy five, which he's complaining about

868
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.760
in his work comp case for Cameron Parkshell. But all

869
00:49:10.800 --> 00:49:13.159
of the doctor visits says that he appears to be

870
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:15.559
doing way more than he says he is. He's got

871
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:19.039
injuries that he accounts for for playing with children, and

872
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.800
he is far more active than he is stating that

873
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.559
he has been. He claimed to have been bedridden during

874
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:28.280
that time, and that's not what the doctors found. We

875
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.920
are actually down to our last minute, you guys, Terry B.

876
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.800
We're going to pick up next week in regards to this.

877
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:35.920
We are going to do that pre record Tuesday morning

878
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.159
at eight am my time, eleven am Eastern, and we'll

879
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:42.039
pick up and continue the occ cases from that point

880
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:47.079
and we'll start with your take on this drawing. That's

881
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:49.039
all we have you guys today. I thank you for

882
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.639
being here. Everybody, have a wonderful weekend, and we'll see

883
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:52.519
you next Friday.

884
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.760
Absolutely, thank you. Thanks Harrett.

885
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:15.039
Take care anything anything, anything anything,