Sept. 19, 2025

Jack Leaves Texas for Arizona

Jack Leaves Texas for Arizona
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Jack attends a school reunion even though he quit in 8th grade. May very well have been Chubb’s reunion, but Jack knows the people there. We see Jack flying over California in August and visiting Dennis and Charles. Jack and Nora get back together then heads back to Texas per Nora’s diary. Phoenix, AZ has a gruesome murder that includes bisection and Nora’s diary says that Jack is preparing to move the family to Phoenix, AZ. Coincidence???

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today, Nolan del

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Campo and Lindsay mcbrair. Hello, good morning. Are you with

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us just by phone today?

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Well, I should show my picture.

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I don't see your picture. You must have your video off.

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Yeah, I think my siety is bother me. So I

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got like all these patch, these little patch things on

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until I get to the it's an error surgeon.

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Yeah, you need somebody to drill your butt. Yeah, there's

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a muscle in there that I guarantee you will help

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relieve that. What's that?

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I get started in my hand because you know, I'm

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typing all day long, so.

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Right right all the way up. I laughed because my

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cousin whenever he sees me if his ssiatic is messing up,

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he's like, hey, cause I need you to drill my ass.

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I'm like, you know, if anybody walking by heard that

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I'm bad, that sounds I think that.

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Was still just now.

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Well I was.

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You got a volunteer over here.

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Right, Well, there's you can take like one of those

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hard massage balls and you can actually sit on it

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and roll around. Find the sore spot. Find there. There'll

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be a spot that hurts so bad the second it

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touches it. You're even you're usually even unaware that that

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spot hurts because you're dealing with the pain of the nerve.

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But very very interesting and very effective. But yeah, no one,

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if you need some help, I'll drill your ass.

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All right.

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Well, we left off last week on your notes, which

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I thought, I'm going to give this another turn around here,

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We're going to go back at it because I was

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looking at some of the things on it and I

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wanted to kind of just get an idea of how

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your brain works and how you put these things together

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so you can see what's on the screen, right mm hmm, Yeah, Okay,

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So you had put on here who is J. G. Schaeffer,

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What was that in regards to the movie The Borderland.

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So he was a cop in Florida that was actually

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turned it turned into a serial killer and he was

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actually a suspect. Yeah, he was actually a suspect in Well,

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I guess that, like they had put they had contacted

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the the cops in Indian River County at the time

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of Adam's murder, just to see if if he had

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any significance, because they had him running around killing women

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and tying the trees apparently in the woods. Yeah, right,

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and I think that's why he was in there. But

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he's actually a very interesting individual. So I think he

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was definitely one of those targeted ones that they made

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crazy Florida.

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Was he operated in Florida, Florida? Okay, and right around

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the time of the Walsh disappearance or after.

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In the early eighties, Okay. I think he was an

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active cop in seventy eight, seventy nine throughout until obviously

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until they called him and then, Yeah.

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Where's the psychological test for these individuals? I mean, come on, now,

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we we basically employed and tax paying dollars go to

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this individual who ends up being a serial killer. We

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really got the Angelo too, right, I mean purportedly.

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And their military backgrounds some type of law enforcement is

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that every single time?

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That's crazy. Now it goes on to say the railroad

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killer Raphael Ramirez born in Matam Morris, Mexico. He went

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back and forth from Mexico to Texas leading bodies and

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then he let's to say, attended his or continued his spree.

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No, okay, yeah, he continues spray down to Florida.

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Okay, so all of these people you're kind of researching

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in regards to the possibility of Adam Walsh's murder.

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Then yeah, now it all connects to the CIA and

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mind control of the government, you know, controlling the all

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these serial killers and everything.

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Now, I know that Epstein had several ranches, if you will.

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I mean he had the island, but he also had

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other locations around. Did he have one in Colorado?

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No?

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Uh, that was I think it's just a couple of

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slots back from last time. I can't think of his

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name was his it was his ranch?

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Yeah? Yeah, okay. I was just wondering if I wouldn't.

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Be surprised since they were involved in the air trail.

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Uh if Ebstein knew them for sure.

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Right right. So basically you've gone on down here and

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you're indicating c I A with the Matamorris ranch, which

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obviously you have crossed back connected to this Raphael Ramirez,

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who you state is a serial killer as well. He

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was basically killing both in Texas and in Mexico and Florida.

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And so that was I think that was the ranch

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that no one was mentioned of a couple of times

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back where they would take like one of those Cia

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ranches where they would take people and they and you

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never see him again. That was the Matamoros ranch.

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Gotcha and they got that name from him from Ramirez.

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Yep.

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Okay, So I know that we had some Hispanics that

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were killed in Texas and Jack or Zodiac if we,

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if you will. In the two thousand and five finale

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letter indicated that he had not killed anybody who was

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Hispanic or Oriental and that there was other people out

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there killing. Do you know the time frame that Ramirez.

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It was definitely in that time frame. I didn't write

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a date on.

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There were the laws in and around the Warez which

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is borders al Paso, Texas, but mostly there were young

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women that worked at the Makila Does, which is American

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factories in the border of Mexico with Mexican employees mainly

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young women, underpaid young women, and there was and the

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cops covered it up completely. No one really ever got

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brought to justice on those There's a really good book

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on that.

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Oh that might be something that we dive into. I

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was just I mean, if this is what's happening in

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the eighties and the research has cross connected these because

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of these murders during the eighties, that's what the finale

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letter specifically states is in the eighties series, there is

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more than one killer and that he did not kill

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anybody who was Hispanic or Oriental. So may be this

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individual here that is the perpetrator of those particular crimes.

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So sorry, the main point that he's not the only

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killer on this team.

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Or oh yeah, conglomerate of killers or he's.

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Following Obviously he obviously knows them and knows who they

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are and who they have killed, because you know, that's

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literally what he says in the letter.

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You know, well, he doesn't say he knows. He doesn't

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say he knows who they are. I mean it kind

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of like going back to the Zodiac where he says,

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I didn't didn't bomb that you know, police station, or

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killed a cap on the police station steps with the bomb,

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because he had already made statements that he was going

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to use a bomb. Now he's kind of backpedaling because

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he really didn't have an intention of using a bomb.

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He really just wanted to keep the cops busy chasing

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after school buses. And so when the bomb actually exploded,

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I don't know if somebody was just kind of piggybacking

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on his fame at that point, and oh, I can

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get away with this because the Zodiac has claimed he's

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going to do it. And then the Zodiac comes out

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and says, well, wait a minute, not me, huh, not today, saying.

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He also had a bunch of like drawings of locations

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of where he's gonna put the bomb and of the

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bomb the mechanisms in the bomb itself, and.

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Those diagrams are extremely consistent with the way Jack drew diagrams.

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In fact, Dennis had actually just opposed one of the

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ones from the Zodiac case and something that Jack had

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been known to draw, and I have those eventually when

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we get through the end of this presentation, we're going

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to talk about all the commonalities between the letters, from

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the linguistics to the drawings, to statements that are made,

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to the diagrams, cross connecting all of that stuff so

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that everybody can see. You know, it's more than just

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a handwriting match with Jack, It's it's an overall profile

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of Jack that is consistent with the zodiac. And we're

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going to look at those so on down to Mexico,

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Texas and Florida, Ever yet an Everglades camp. And this

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was all protected by what you said was the hand

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of death. Now isn't that?

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Yep?

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And c i A protects all these groups, gotcha?

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And what real quick?

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Back to Jodiet real quick.

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At one time, one of the ciphers was decoded to

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state a location where he was going to plant the

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bomb to blow up the kids in the school bus.

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That was Green Valley Road in Fairfield, right off the

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highwayway or six Grassdale.

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There was a thought in regards to Green Valley. I

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know that they changed Reader overpass shortly after my involvement

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getting involved with these particular cases. They literally dumped a

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bunch of debris right smack dab in the center of

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where I believe either Harriet or somebody had completed a

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saw that put us on Greenboutley Road, and when I

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went back to look, they had dumped all kinds of

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construction debris right in the center of the round where

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we used to be able to go around to get

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onto the freeway and back on, and they were creating

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a new overpass, so you no longer even run, you know,

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ground imaging devices over the top of it, because it

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was literally piled high with cement and all kinds of

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other stuff, almost as for what they were going to

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build build that off ramp, which was kind of interesting.

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But yes, by the time that solved, you can no

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longer like go look at that particular area that she

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plotted out. But there was a cipher in the Zodiac

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stuff that said, this code coupled with the map is

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going to tell you where the bomb is. But I

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think that's the Z thirty two. But I don't believe

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anybody has physically solved that, at least not from law

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enforcement's perspective or or you know, ORANGEHAC or anybody else.

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I think that one is still kind of sitting out

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there unsolved at this point. Okay, so Hand of Death

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isn't that the one with the smiley face murders or no?

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So that was what autist tool and Harry Lucas was.

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Who claimed to be from the hand of death. I

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feel like there was a serial killer that associated themselves

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with that or was that O tool or tool? And

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you care? Yes, I think we've lost Lindsay no girlfriend,

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if you're not here, well if she comes back, Wilson,

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I don't think you right well. And then she also

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provided these but I thought these were interesting and we

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can't actually speak about them. She called this in the

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uh birthday book for Epstein, and I'm not sure what

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the idea or concept behind the birthday book was, unless

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it was him creating a book of all his birthday

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events and to do's. They had kind of one of

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those fake news articles that says vanity unfair. But it

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looks like somebody else like cut and pasted Jeffrey Epstein's

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name into each and every single one of these. So

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I really wanted to find out what the origin of

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this particular cover and why it says things like jeff

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Free Epstein's bloody summer, Jeffrey Epstein's looks like a chaotic

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rampage bring it on, Jeffrey Epstein, Consume me, Jeffrey, Intoxicate me, Jeffrey.

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It's and it's on the cover of like I said,

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it's called Vanity Unfair. That is actually got a picture

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of Nicole Kidman on it. So I think that was

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kind of interesting. Hopefully she comes back I can ask

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her about that. The one that was more interesting was

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this actual picture over here where they have blacked out

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an other individual's face and it says he is the

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boyfriend of and of course her name is redacted. We

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think he works for the CIA. Now that would kind

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of make some sense.

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I can hear lindsay. I don't know why you can't.

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Are you there, Nolan?

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You can hear me either.

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Check your speakers, you guys, Yeah, hear you, Nolan, and

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I cannot hear you. Can hear me my speaker's settings.

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See what's going on.

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I can hear you.

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I can't.

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Okay, hold on one, see if I can get to this.

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Oh yeah, oh, you're absolutely right.

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I can hear you perfectly.

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All right, Hey, I guess you had to go out

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and come back in.

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Okay, but you can hear me and I and I

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can hear you, so yeah.

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I think was that one in the chat? I think

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she I think he.

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Uh yeah, now I can hear you.

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I okay, good.

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I don't know what happened there. I just evidently lost everything.

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You can go back there, you're yeah, yeah, we would

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go back to the notes, all right.

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So well, yeah, so as soon as you were asking

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who who was the part of the head of the

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death that was whenever you went out like I guess

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you couldn't hear me, but I was saying Audust Tool

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and Henry lu Lucas okay, also the ones that were

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blamed about those several murders in Texas, Okay.

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And that and yes works into Finders cult.

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Mm hmmm.

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And that goes to Foinder's cult. Just because of the

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c i A and the Virginia I don't know if

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you you, I don't know if you've researched the Finder School.

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I assume maybe no one is probably more familiar with it. Yeah,

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it was. It was just very hidden c I It's

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in uh and they only released a few documents from

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the c i A in that case is where they were. Mysteriously,

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these guys were in the in this van in near Virginia,

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near fair in Fairfax, uh that area and uh and

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they had these random children in there in their little

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band and they claimed they made this whole fabricated story

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up about where whose children they were and what and

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that they were doing something, that they were doing good

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and so they were just let go and and and

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later investigated very briefly, and uh it was a lot

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of researchers linked it back to the boys Club and

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uh that they were having uh, these boys there and

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having these political figures and that type of thing come

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to visit and get their little whatever they.

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Do, you know, for political pedophilia.

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Then yeah, yep.

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And that you have connected to Cuba with Fidel Castro

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and Haiti says Cia wanted him dead, avoided all assassination attempts.

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What does that mean to you, Gail Castro? I meant

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so Fidel Castro avoided all assassination attempt.

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Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's just like a mirror. It's kind

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of like a mirror of what they did Trump. They

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tried to you know, we know they tried to assassinate

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him many times and many towns that are not reported.

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So I think what happened after they killed JFK that

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they pretty much didn't worry about Castro as much anymore.

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It was when.

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JFK was live because JFK was exploring behind the scenes, uh,

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normalization of relations with Cuba, and that's the one thing

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they did not want. So once JFK was dead, that

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wasn't gonna happen anymore, so they back backed off their efforts.

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To assassinate Castro.

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At that point, they still had thoughts, but they never

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really followed through.

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Was it before after JFK that they that Castro had

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shut down all the casinos the mobsters casinos and hotels.

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Yeah, that was nineteen sixty shut him down.

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Got your JFK was.

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Assassinated during his first year in office. He took he

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took over fifty nine within the years. He uh yeah,

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that's that's why the mob was so mad at him,

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because they got kicked out of Havana.

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It's free money. They they don't mess with my free money.

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Is one of the guys that I involved assassination. It's

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also a plumber in the watergate breaking. He was a

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henchman and for the mob he used to run or

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be the muscle and a couple of the casinos French sturgeons.

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Oh, Okay, in the days.

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The takeover, the mob days JFK assassination, he's there in Dallas.

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And then he was one of the plumbers in the

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Watergate baking breaking French Sturgeons.

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And that's the CIA operating on land right.

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Stup CIA operative.

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Yes, because CIA is not supposed to be operating on

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US soil, right, they were meant for.

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And that's why they have all these connections to these foreign.

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Governments, gotcham so they can go on to the.

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Intelligence from them that they need in order to blackmail

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the US.

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So then that connection then works into what you had

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stated was Nazis and CIA, which I think he just

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briefly explained. And if together CIA controlled Haiti for American

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corporate interests, not actual interests to the United States government.

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Yeah, yeah, that's where they that's where the Clintons come in.

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But also even way before that, back to the JFK assassination,

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one of the controllers of Lee, Harvey, Oswald and Marina

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was the Morin Schultz and worst was an engineer and

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it was in the oil industry and he was.

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In eighty often trint to negotiate.

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He did major contracts in Haiti for oil exploration and

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oil development and importing oil and de Morrishell was later

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uh he was going to be interviewed by a prominent

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journalist and in regard to the jfk assassination, and the

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day before that interview he was found dead.

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He was suicidal. He was shot in the face with

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the shotgun, but he was It's been common that he

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was the primary Dallas connection with Lee Harvey Oswald.

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He was I not you're thinking go ahead, Yeah, that.

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To me just kind of takes me back to the

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Oakland County child killer with Chris Bush being suicided with

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a shotgun.

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And then you have I have a photo of an

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old picture of Lee Harvey Oswald in the background in

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the like I think it's like the back third row.

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There's that you have a young George Bush in this

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picture as well.

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With who Yeah, I would like to see it too.

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I mean, obviously, if Lee Harvey Oswald is in Texas,

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we do know that the Bush you know, family has

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relations to Texas. He was a young kid at the

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book depository. We we do see his involvement surrounding the

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stuff with Harvey Lee Oswald. So it's not too far

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out to think that they ran in some of the

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same circles for sure.

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Mm hmmm, yep.

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So then that that led you to Aleister Crowley. Now

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is that through how how did how did that connection

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be made?

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So he is the leader of these cults that are

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were you know that we heard around that time going

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around Yeah, and that's uh, that's why they that's why

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you have to see a covering for these people and

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why you know, just so happened to be that there's

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an ancestry connection to George to Barbara Bush, linking her

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to Alistair Crowley. And we know who Barbara Bush is.

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That was George Bush's mother, and that was the wife

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of George Bush.

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And Crowley was also ye the odio or tempest or

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Dallas I forget the exact name. I think it's called

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the odeo which yeah, thirty three, yeah, which is that's

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another word for highest level of but but but but

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his protege in the United States, Crowley was a British guy.

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His protege in the United States was Jack Parsons, who

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found founded Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which is the main you know,

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jet propulsion engineers for NASSA. They did not do jet propulsion.

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They did rocket propulsion. They call it j p L

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because those are his initials. That that was the inside

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joke at the stands for Jack Parsons Laboratory, not jet propulsion,

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because they're not doing jet propulsion, they're doing rocket proposal.

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And he ended up dying in a lab accident at

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his own under suspicious place. But he was like the

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second highest ranking ODO guy after Crowley, and he was

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trying to do these weird experiments to do a pain

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the highest level of ODEO.

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And that they were doing. And uh, it's pretty.

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Story we have, yeah, and that's why you have the

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c I A here communicating with them and in order

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to cover for all of these operations, and uh, they're

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getting this intelligence from these other people like he just

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said in the and these other scientists, these foreign scientists,

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in order to do things to America under these operations,

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but secretly through these other intelligence agencies.

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I wondered, I've always wondered, kind of like the boy Scouts,

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how many badges did you have to get to get

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to what level of uh masonry in the Freemasons. My

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grandfather I have his it's an apron basically, or it's

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a I'll call it an apron because I don't know

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what they referred to it as, but it indicates that

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he was a thirty second degree Mason. What do you

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have to do to get that high?

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Most astronauts, Yeah, most astronauts are free Masons, if not all,

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And many of the muckamucks at NASA are thirty three

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level Masons. And one of the astronauts on the Moon

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missions took actual mason flag up to the.

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Moon with him.

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I thought these were stone builders. How do you go

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from NASA to stone building.

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It? They went way beyond that, Yeah, way back to Yes,

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the other.

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Ones that built Washington, d C. But they designed the

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city in such a weird way that you can tell

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already that that there's already very cultish and different guys.

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I just had to share one said, one step at

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a time. Is it is?

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It is. It's a lot to take in because it's

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been going on for so long that.

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Europe yep, all right, so you have.

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And then that goes all the way back through the

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through the Clinton's and all the way up to now

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because I've actually went to a hole where the events

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that happened last week actually links back to some of

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these things.

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Well, so you it indicated that Aleister Crowley was British Intelligence.

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Did you have information to support that that he was

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m I six or was that.

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He was British?

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But I don't think he was involved with the British

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intelligence apparatus. He was an author and a very prolific author,

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and he had a very wild belief and a lot

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of what his beliefs led to were other offshoot cults.

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They were very somewhat satanistic and very Sudonistic, and a

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lot of sex.

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And that's where yeah, and that's where I like these

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cults to him, because.

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So basically it sounds to me like he's the grand

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schemer idea that's set in place to cause these offshoots

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or to to build and mind train others to pick

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up on and take some It's kind of like religion, right,

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everybody started at one place, and now all of a sudden,

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we've got all these different religions. So we've got the

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schools and how.

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We got religion scientology from Crowley's writings, right, and then

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the Processed Church, which the founders belong Scientology, they broke

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off became their own sect called the Processed Church, and

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then were what's known as Luciferians, which is they did

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it for freedom and sexual freedom and basically hedonists, but

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they're known as Luciferians and as a posted other darker

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side of Satanism, which is just a more vile, evil side.

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But it was a blend. The processed church was murdered people.

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They were part of the Son of Sam situation.

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Well, then I can kind of see how so many

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people have self arrived at a theory that the zodiac

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was part of some type of a Satanic coult. If

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all of this is all so meshed and mixed together.

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This morning, obviously, just before I'd gotten onto the show,

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I had simply thought to myself, I remembered back to

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the Netflix docuseries in regards to it's called The Family,

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and it was in regards to the annual prayer breakfast

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that these politicians could get away with pretty much anything,

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whether it's killing, drugs, lying, cheating, you know, anything they

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wanted to get away with was not considered a sin

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so much as they were a vessel speaking God's word.

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And as long as they were that vessel, then they

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were kind of they weren't going to discover the rap

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yeah to any you know, type of persecution or adjudication

472
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:09.319
or anything else that the normal person would have to suffer.

473
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.400
And that brought me to thinking, like Charlie Kirk, you know,

474
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:14.839
they had talked about the possibilities of him being one

475
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.519
of the first conservative presidents, and he's speaking so largely

476
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:20.480
on the word of God, how much he could have

477
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:22.880
gotten away with because he simply speaks the word of God,

478
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:27.279
as that docuseries kind of indicates. So I talked to

479
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:28.400
myself that, yeah.

480
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:32.480
That's where it comes in that and that's the reason

481
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:37.240
why he was It was not the trans bull crap

482
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:38.640
that they're putting out there.

483
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.440
Related wasn't that there's a lot of different things going

484
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.480
on here. It's it's not He wasn't really talking about

485
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:51.240
the assassination for saying this or that, positive or negative.

486
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.720
He was saying, just the way everyone's spinning it, spinning it,

487
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.160
they're they're they're taking this and use it for their

488
00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:59.799
own purposes, was the point Kimmel was making.

489
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.400
And then got care But I think that's exactly what

490
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:08.559
the the propaganda is by media is to cause all

491
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:11.119
of these spinouts, to cause everybody to go in different

492
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.960
directions to argue their own theories too. It's just it's

493
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:18.920
just another device to control us, basically, because we're now

494
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.559
spending our time talking about it, posting on it, dealing

495
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:24.319
with social media over it, the heat is really large.

496
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:26.960
I'm actually quite surprised. Ever since I relieved myself from

497
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.440
the obligation of speaking about that ever again on social media,

498
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:32.759
I stopped seeing things about it. I thought that was

499
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:35.359
absolutely fabulous. I don't want I want happy things.

500
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.319
And another thing with general when you relieve yourself from that,

501
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.880
you that's where the peace comes, right.

502
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:44.039
Yeah.

503
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:45.720
But the point I was gonna rate is the general

504
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.480
public takes for granted the honesty integrity of law enforcement entities,

505
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:53.079
and oftentimes history has proven to us, like look at

506
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:54.599
the history of FBI and Janiger Hoover.

507
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:58.079
He was crooking as a c and the FBI itself

508
00:31:58.240 --> 00:31:58.759
is over the.

509
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.680
Years is is impeded a lot of in better persons

510
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:02.880
sodieat investigation.

511
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:04.640
So and then if you look at the.

512
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:10.559
Lad and the LADA offices. I'm rereading the book on

513
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.240
Black Dahlia right now. Another there's like eight other murders

514
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.400
around that time in LA from forty seven to forty nine,

515
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:22.079
and the LAPD squashed it. There was a cover up

516
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.480
the they Hodel was one of their suspects and they

517
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:28.400
protected him because he was part of an abortion ring

518
00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.200
because abortion was illegal back then. But in a lot

519
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:34.240
of those people were getting cops were getting girls pregnant,

520
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:35.680
and they needed abortions.

521
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:41.000
Right was protection is he was helping out the cops

522
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:43.200
with abortions. I know that.

523
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:46.599
I know that when Dennis and I took down the

524
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:50.960
negatives from the film that we believe shows the active

525
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:55.440
torture of Black Dahlia to the LAPD, they allowed me

526
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:59.319
to sit and do the handwriting, which the captain that

527
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.160
was over seeing the detective that was working the cold

528
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.319
cases that became in charge of the Black Dahlia, he

529
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.720
was like chomping at the bit. I don't know. I

530
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:10.359
feel like the man might even have been spun out

531
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:13.200
or something, because his mouth was just going even though

532
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.960
he's not talking. He's just listening, but his mouth isn't going,

533
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:18.519
like he's drooling over this. And we leave out of there,

534
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:22.519
and then we receive notification from the detective that she

535
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.640
was told not to touch it. So you're right about

536
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.960
them squashing things, and he literally, you know, basically ordered

537
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.480
her that she will not investigate or research anything that

538
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.079
we brought in regards to that case, and that really

539
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.440
busted her chops because she honestly thought that she was

540
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.599
going to do some good in the case, kind of

541
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:41.720
like I think I felt when I realized that Jack's

542
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:46.519
writing was such a match and that his overall everything

543
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.000
about him was consistent with what we were looking for

544
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.200
in the Zodiac Killer. So and to know nobody wants

545
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.480
to pay attention and nobody wants to investigate it is

546
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.400
very disheartening because we're bringing them the evidence that they

547
00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:59.599
need to take a look at this stuff, and people

548
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:03.240
just don't want to investigate it. Unlike Deborah Perez, Let's

549
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:05.519
give her one hundred hours. I mean, the woman saying

550
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.360
one year she's JFK's love child and then the next

551
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:10.880
year she's the daughter of the Zodiac killer. Come on,

552
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.519
somebody picks something here. So is what she's saying is

553
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.800
that JFK is the Zodiac I mean.

554
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:24.480
Come on, Oh yeah, the lead detective thought he had

555
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:27.960
a primary suspect from Zodiac and when he went public

556
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.159
to his higher up with it, they took.

557
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:34.400
Him off the case, right, yeah, the same thing they did.

558
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:39.000
And then later.

559
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:45.159
With the Robert Kennedy assassination, the LAPD botched that on purpose.

560
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:48.360
The two of the main guys in chargement were connected

561
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:49.920
to CIA and the FBI.

562
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:52.199
And maybe more well.

563
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:54.119
And that's what I'm trying to tell you. They're doing

564
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:57.559
the same exact thing right now with Charlie's murder, because

565
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:03.039
it is deeper than their letting people know because they

566
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:05.599
were getting too close, like like like like you were

567
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:10.159
getting too close in the Zodiac case, he was getting

568
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:17.840
too close. So Israelian government issues, uh, and they knew

569
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.920
it because he had refused money from Israel for his

570
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:25.159
company for the Turning Point.

571
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:36.199
And we're talking over each other constantly, and I'm not

572
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.000
able to hear what you're saying.

573
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.119
Oh sorry, I think it's like, uh, it's I think

574
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:46.360
sometimes it's off. It's like not real time lag.

575
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.159
Yeah, yeah, gotcha. So what were you saying, Nolan.

576
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.280
That they're trying to paint him, is this left wing,

577
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:01.280
crazy radical with an agenda against right wing people like

578
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.039
Marjorie Taylor whatever her name is, and people like that

579
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:08.039
and Fox's they're trying to say, No, he's a radical

580
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:12.079
left winger who hates all conservatives. That's not the truth,

581
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.800
but they're they're they're trying to pigeonhole him into that

582
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.199
role when it's complex of that. And that's what Lindsay's said,

583
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.599
that there's way more behind than what meet ci and

584
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:24.880
what the media is trying to put out.

585
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:28.239
So you believe that he was offered money. So is

586
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.079
this kind of like the theory that Adam Walsh was

587
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:36.519
killed because John Walsh refused to run drugs for the Bahamas?

588
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.480
I mean, yeah, they like I don't.

589
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:43.639
I don't either. I'm not sure where that evidence came

590
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.320
up about Israel and and him turning down money. Is

591
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:49.079
that just another one of those conspiracy theories that are

592
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:50.800
flying out there? Or do people know that?

593
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.000
No, I have proof, I have proof, and Canice Owens

594
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:54.519
has proof?

595
00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:59.639
If you him, I don't. I don't watch the news

596
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:02.559
you got I don't know anybody.

597
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:07.719
She uh was was thrown in there to be some

598
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:10.920
to be a candidate for something at one time, and

599
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:15.320
uh got pushed out because of her truths that she had.

600
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:18.840
Gotcha so now she did so now she has a

601
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.280
million view podcasts right now. That's why I was like,

602
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.400
That's why I thought you knew who she was because

603
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:32.280
many people most people do. But she is putting out receipts.

604
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.960
So and then I'm going back and I'm researching. I'm

605
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:39.840
going back behind her and researching these receipts, and so

606
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.519
far these receipts are factual. And it literally goes back

607
00:37:43.559 --> 00:37:47.280
to Robert Maxwell and his dealings with Israel in the

608
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.519
propaganda behind the media and everything.

609
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:55.679
Oh shut up, yeah, we're on the next line.

610
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:01.679
Even it relates to Epstein to it all. Literally, I'm

611
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:02.239
not kidding.

612
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:07.079
Well, I did enter in that vanity unfair article that

613
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:08.760
you sent me. And of course I don't know why.

614
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.920
The picture of him in a speedo, good lord. I

615
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:17.679
don't think that those are appropriate for anything unless you're swimming.

616
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.519
I'm sorry, unless you're like a professional swimmer.

617
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:21.199
I get it.

618
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.199
You need less drag, less drag.

619
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:31.199
What's that.

620
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:35.360
Chair, It's like a cabana.

621
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:39.679
No, they blocked somebody out of it.

622
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:43.320
They they Oh, you're talking about the other picture. I

623
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.000
thought he was referring to the one of him in

624
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:45.559
a speedo.

625
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:53.320
Oh yeah, they blocked it. Whoever that was face.

626
00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:01.320
Are you with me or are you having Oh no,

627
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:07.320
I don't know. If he froze up, he froze I

628
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:09.800
think he was when he said what's next to him?

629
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:13.800
I don't he wasn't referring to which picture that was? Yeah,

630
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:21.960
I think he froze to Okay, So which picture were

631
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.000
you talking about? No, that's Nonette.

632
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:31.320
Oh okay walked out the.

633
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:37.719
Hold On, it's a dress, but it's a horrible like

634
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:39.400
curtain dress.

635
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.320
From that's what.

636
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.039
You called that? The birthday book? And what what do

637
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:50.280
you mean by birthday book?

638
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:58.039
So on his fiftieth birthday, uh, Gislaine Maxwell put together

639
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:01.639
of all his buddies and friends and and associations that

640
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.920
broke they had they she wanted a piece from each

641
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.280
of them to put in this book to make for

642
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:11.039
for his fiftieth birthday. And so these all these pieces

643
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:15.679
were put in from all these different people as to uh,

644
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.519
wishing him a happy fiftieth birthday. So that so this

645
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:27.239
vanity fair one was put in by hold On, there

646
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:28.159
is one from Trump.

647
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.920
Well, no, but the vanity unfair was put in by who.

648
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.679
It was put in by the actual the I don't

649
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:39.000
know what they call it in Britain. Uh in in

650
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.840
Britain who is like the president of Britain. I don't

651
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.280
know what they call it, but that guy is the

652
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:53.880
one who put yeah, oh interesting, and he had like

653
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.079
a whole like three page letter to go with it.

654
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.079
And so we have even and you had mentioned Trump

655
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:09.800
had put something into this book. Yes, media, dang me not.

656
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:12.559
Is out there.

657
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.519
Oh gotcha. So you've just kind of been going.

658
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:21.079
Through it that it's on the dog gov website.

659
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.840
Okay. And so this picture to a lot in the

660
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:29.000
girl there's a picture of him next to a female

661
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.800
and that's what you see him standing next to and

662
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.880
her face has been blacked out. Her name has been

663
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.599
redacted from the actual photo and it said he is

664
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.039
the boyfriend of and that's redacted. We think he works

665
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:43.280
for the CIA. So somebody just randomly wrote.

666
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:47.119
Out his girlfriends. So so Slaine even reached out to

667
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.400
old girl girlfriends for this book so they so they

668
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.519
could put their wish their birthday wishes in the book too.

669
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:58.000
It goes all the way back from from his birth

670
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.440
all the way up to fifty, from all these people

671
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:03.800
that he's met up until fifty. And that was like

672
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:07.000
the purpose of this book for his birthday.

673
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:08.880
Too.

674
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:10.280
Very sexual or.

675
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.519
Yeah, but I just pulled this little this person that

676
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:18.039
put that added this to their part of the birth

677
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:24.039
that wish because of the what they added in and

678
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:26.840
what they put in here, and it was very kind

679
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:28.280
of disturbing if you.

680
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.159
Want to read it out, which which part.

681
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:36.679
Of the vanity fair like who uh, Jack the Ripper

682
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:41.039
was it at Jeffrey Epstein? Al Qaeda in South America

683
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:47.280
perpetrated by Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein stole my heart and then

684
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:51.239
bring it on Jeffrey. So it's like.

685
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.760
Somebody who's mean. It kind of sounds like somebody is

686
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.440
just making him the mastermind of all kinds of things

687
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:01.400
that he is potentially responsible for for all kinds of

688
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:04.119
things by in a joking way.

689
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:08.119
Joe, Yeah, joking away, but yeah, it's still.

690
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.639
I don't think thats what we know. I don't think

691
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:13.400
it was a joke really.

692
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:15.840
Yeah, because it's kind of biting.

693
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:19.840
Right well, And to say we think he works for

694
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.480
the CIA almost kind of takes us back to he

695
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:25.400
was nobody until nineteen ninety six and then Poofy's on

696
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:28.960
top of the world and becomes one of the richest

697
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.800
people in the United States. Basically who knows as far

698
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.000
as worldwide is concerned. But it sounded to me like

699
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:41.480
he had an end of supply of money. All right, Well, Lelly, Jack.

700
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:45.800
The Ripper comes up, because Jack Ripper also comes up

701
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:52.079
in the in the The Black Dahlia that whoever was

702
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.079
the murderer, whether it was Ogel.

703
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:56.599
Or someone else or a group of two years later, right.

704
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.000
That says that they were trying to emulate Jack the Ripper.

705
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:03.679
Well, Hodell wouldn't even been born, but I could understand

706
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:08.599
if somebody was attempting to mimic his particular types of murders.

707
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:12.000
But well, there was a movie that came out. The

708
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.880
original version was a Hitchcock film in the sixties. It's

709
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.119
called a Lodger, but it was a remake of it

710
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:22.639
in nineteen forty five that was more famous, with a

711
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:29.679
really merle Oberon and famous actors in it. That was

712
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:33.119
really successful movie, but scary as hell. Again about Jack

713
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:37.199
the Ripper, so it would have been fresh in the

714
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:38.840
Black Dahlia culprit.

715
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:42.760
He probably saw that movie in forty five mm.

716
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:45.840
Well, and I advised the audience to go take a

717
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.840
look at what a picture of Jack the Ripper, and

718
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:53.199
just then you can see how he would be the

719
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:54.239
Ebstein positive.

720
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:58.000
At that time, I didn't think that they had identified

721
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:01.639
I thought they had not figured out who Jack the

722
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:02.239
Ripper was.

723
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:06.360
If the theory is is he was a doctor.

724
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:12.480
Gotay, okay, Well, moving back on into our world in

725
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.679
our time frame, is a set of murders that occurred

726
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:18.920
that Lindsay had given to me on December twenty period

727
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:20.039
of nineteen seventy.

728
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:24.119
Four in Fourworth, Texas. I know this takes us back

729
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:26.679
from the years, but I had not addressed this because

730
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.159
I had not seen these unsolved murders. And I did

731
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:32.559
do a little research in the presentation to see if

732
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:34.599
I could figure out what Jack was up to. But

733
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:36.239
they went to see from the mall and they were

734
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.000
parked in the Sears Purking broad which is probably why

735
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.840
you tied this in because of the Adam Walsh abduction

736
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:43.440
at Sears, right, Lindsay.

737
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:47.639
Yeah, it was very airy. Right.

738
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:51.840
So we had three girls that went missing, Mary Rachel Trellica,

739
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:57.599
Lisa Rene Wilson, and Julianne Moseley. So basically for fort

740
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:01.679
Worth Missing Trio referred to an unsolved missing person's case

741
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:05.079
in which three girls went missing while shopping at the

742
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.119
Seminary Style shopping center in Fort Worth, Texas on December

743
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:11.440
twenty third, nineteen seventy four, the car that the girls

744
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:13.880
had been driving was left behind in the parking lot

745
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.239
at the mall, and the girls themselves have not been

746
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.239
seen since. So I went back to nineteen seventy four.

747
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.199
This is a very busy year for communications from the Zodiac.

748
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:24.400
We had the Citizen letter, the Urbcaine letter, we had

749
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:26.840
the Count Marco letter, the Dona last Christmas card on

750
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:30.880
December eighteenth and nineteen seventy four. I'm sorry no, Donal

751
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.119
last Christmas card was more around the Christmas time, but

752
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:35.599
on December eighteenth of nineteen seventy four, we have a

753
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.679
Santa Barbara area girl goes missing as well. I've not

754
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.159
had any updates on that particular case, but it is

755
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.760
in the presentation. And I wanted to note that we

756
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:46.800
know that when Jack would leave California, he would make

757
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:51.280
his way down south through southern California and then to

758
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.760
the left or to the east on his way to Texas,

759
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:57.440
and so this kind of reminded me, also like the

760
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:01.480
mailing of JFK's card to the Dallas Police Department where

761
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:06.360
he was purchased in Lancaster, Palmdale, either purchased or and

762
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.920
mailed in one of these two cities, but two of

763
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:11.679
these cities are related, and that is on your path

764
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.559
down and out to Texas, which we know that Jack

765
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:18.400
at that particular time had also left his job at

766
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:21.320
GE in nineteen sixty three and was headed to Texas

767
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:25.440
to supposedly put up two mobile homes. So then we

768
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:27.719
do see that murder that is kind of like the

769
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:30.000
exit murder that I'd like to talk about. I feel

770
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.159
like the Zodiac would commit a murder when he was

771
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:34.800
researching a new place, then he would come back that

772
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.559
we would have another murder just before he moved out,

773
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:40.199
and then wherever he went to we would see subsequent

774
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:42.960
murders that occurred, and that exit strategy to tend to

775
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:45.519
work on the next location that he moved to as well.

776
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.559
I show that Jack is busted for poaching on March

777
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:50.800
of nineteen seventy four, and he's put on one year

778
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.760
probation with restriction to guns, and he's filed a work

779
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:56.559
comp claim in November of nineteen seventy three against South

780
00:47:56.639 --> 00:48:00.400
Lake Tahoe Linen Company. But the doctor in his report

781
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.440
thinks that Jack is up to more than he claims.

782
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:05.519
Jack's not working at this time because he's obviously trying

783
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.599
to file for permanent disability benefits, and we see that

784
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.360
he's having a difficulty during this year and getting the

785
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:15.159
Social Security benefits from May of nineteen seventy four for

786
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.519
permanent disability. So he has a lot of reasons to

787
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:19.960
be angry. And I always talk about these trigger points

788
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:23.239
that causes him to do what he does. So, you know,

789
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:26.599
heading off to Texas and then again we've got three

790
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:29.480
girls that went missing. That's what's intriguing me about this

791
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:33.159
is that we have, you know, doubles and triples when

792
00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:36.559
most of your serial killers I feel like, are taking

793
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.519
just single victims at a time. I mean, how many

794
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:42.400
people want three teenagers you know on their hands?

795
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:44.840
Really?

796
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:45.840
Yeah.

797
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:49.559
So, and when we are evidence, and that was the

798
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:53.599
thing about Jack is that he left. He always left

799
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:57.440
hardly no evidence, like right, and there's literally no evidence

800
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.000
here whatsoever. And this is why I was very true

801
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:04.599
and very zodiac because they all they had, all the

802
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.400
evidence that was left was a locked car in a

803
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.360
Sears parking lot, even the gifts that they had purchased

804
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.719
that day because they went shopping for gifts.

805
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:15.320
So that tells me that they were abducted. After making

806
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.800
it back to the car and dropping their gifts off,

807
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.079
maybe with some type of a ploy like an animal

808
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.719
or a security guard. You know, the same kind of

809
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.239
thing that runs in tandem with the Texas murders, the

810
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:28.719
I forty five murders, which is well Oakland County. Child

811
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:32.519
was the dog Ruise, the security guard Ruse was in

812
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:35.199
the I forty five. So we're down to our last

813
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:41.599
fifteen seconds. Thank you there, and there was in Lindsay there, Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay.

814
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.079
I'm down to the last ten seconds. I need to

815
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.199
sign off. We can pick this back up next week.

816
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:49.119
I want to thank you both for being here. Lindsay,

817
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:50.840
if you want to join us again next week, we'll

818
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.199
continue on with this. But everybody, have a wonderful weekend

819
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:55.400
and we'll see you next Friday.

820
00:49:56.400 --> 00:50:03.480
Your man the

821
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:18.679
Thing sh