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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. This week, we are going to continue on with

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the letters that are up next where
Jack is. We have a whole bunch

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of stuff to go over, including
solves, so I'm really excited. We'll,

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of course start with our YouTube comments
as normal, We'll go ahead and

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throw up the presentation at this point. I wanted to show everybody at URL

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for this particular episode of The Black
Doll You. You can see it here

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inside of the YouTube comment by Ezra
Cubis. He contacted me last week and

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said he was just watching a new
episode on The Black Dollia presented by forty

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eight hours, and if you fast
forward to twenty nine eight in this episode,

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you will see a photo of Elizabeth
Short with a group of military men,

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and he says the guy at twenty
nine oh eight appears to me that

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it could possibly be a young Jack
Terrence, tell me what you think.

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So here's that URL. If anybody
wants to go in and try it.

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You know, I'm extremely leary on
clicking off of my computer to any type

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of links that are sent to me, especially if I don't know you,

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including images or otherwise. I just
don't do it. I'm not trying to

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lose all of my information or get
hacked, as we've been discussing in the

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last couple of weeks, which is
something that heavily follows the path of these

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cases. People lose computer after computer
after computer, and after I lost my

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second computer, I just refused to
be a part of that anymore. I

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did try to access the episode on
my cell phone, unfortunately I couldn't get

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it to stop at that precise twenty
nine toh eight moment, and was hoping

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that maybe Ezra, if you could
go into that and snap a picture or

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a screenshot after you've frozen it at
the twenty nine oh eight and then possibly

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forward that onto me at Finding the
Zodiac at gmail dot com. Uh again,

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that's the only way I probably will
be able to study it and see

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if that is in fact what we
think to or you think to believe be

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a young Jack Terrence. On the
other side of that, we have Nolan

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here today. Did we lose all
of our guests? Beat up? Scott

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me up morning? You know?
Does Harriet Harriet? Harriet? Nolan's trying

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to talk. Are you able to
hear us? Okay, go ahead,

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Nolan? Uh la? Or Chicago
or do we know where? Would let

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us know where it was? Where? What was? It's on this video?

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So here's the RL. What city? It doesn't matter what city because

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when they're bashing these things together in
the end, they're just pictures of black

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doll you with military men. So
we don't know what city, and nobody's

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going to know what city. It's
just the flash of a picture with military

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guy after military guy. And I
couldn't get my phone to stop at twenty

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nine oh eight long enough to be
able to study the picture that he claims

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or he believes is a young Jack
parents. So that's what I was saying.

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If anybody is daring and wants to, you know, look at this,

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they're not looking at having, you
know, fifteen years worth of research

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damaged if they if they click on
it and it has a virus or something.

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I unfortunately do so it's just not
a chance that I'm willing to take.

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And like I said, I tried
to go in on it off of

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my phone, but I couldn't get
it to stop there. So it's just

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a shout out. I know Ezra's
watching what's going on. I appreciate the

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information he's sending me, and if
he could do a screenshot of that twenty

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nine oh eight, I will study
it to see if we can put it

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up here and determine whether or not
it's actually Jack. With that being said,

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last week we talked about an individual
who had it was the Zodiac official

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who had come out and made the
comments that the solve on the reward poster

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that actually landed in this precise area
in which the skull of Donna last was

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found, had indicated that it was
a reward poster created by the family.

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There was a phone number attached to
it, but he said when he researched

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it back in the day, it
was an area code that didn't actually even

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exist until the eighties. I'm not
sure when this was put up. But

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if it was the eighties that they
actually put this reward poster out, it

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may or may not have already existed. And sometimes those area codes are out

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there at that time, they just
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Also, the fact that it is
the eighties and it's nineteen eighty six

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that the school is found still alludes
to the fact that there's some communications going

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on between those particular ciphers. And
again, the cipher code that was in

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the reward poster was not one that
the Zodiac used. So I need to

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remind everybody a cipher does nobody any
good if they don't have the key or

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they can't solve it. And we
can look back at all the ciphers up

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to that point, and none of
them held those type of symbols, So

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why would you just create one,
assuming the individual would be able to understand

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it in the first place. And
second off, if it is true that

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the school was then moved, it
backs up the solves that Harriet Sousche is

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having in regards to Jack, alluding
to the fact that he had killed her,

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buried her, then moved her remains. So if this is true,

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and then that cipher was received and
it alluded to a location where to plant

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that information or that that body part
in order to confirm the death, then

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all of that kind of does make
some sense. It's just not too far

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out there for me to believe.
I think the cipher was done by the

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Zodiac, whether it was Jack or
someone else, but I think the ciphers

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it's it's Zodiac material. To me, it looks like but it's not.

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If you go back through it is
not symbols he used in previous ciphers.

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So it's not as though they're using
something they have a key to that they

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know. He understands. They've developed
an entirely new cipher. And how was

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it that they thought it would be
possible for him to solve that cipher or

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if he didn't in fact have a
key to do so, well, he

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made it well. But the Zodiac
official claims that the reward poster was developed

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by the family. So I get
a YouTube comment from CD four four six

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last week that says, in case
you didn't know, Zodiac Killer official is

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Tom Voight. Whoa whoa. Now
the fact that he said it was dumb

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luck. I can completely hear that
coming out of his mouth, because that's

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what I feel like I get is
negativity. But I'm also honored at this

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point that he actually confirmed anything that
I was requesting in regards to evidence.

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In this case. It's not something
he's done in the past. He's done

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everything to negate, everything, not
to work with me on Jack, to

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just basically eighty six Jack and push
him away while he allows everyone else to

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put a ridiculous suspects suspects it could
even possibly have been. It's so frustrat

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is obfuscation, right, which also
brings me to another YouTuber who commented this

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last week, and I just haven't
had the opportunity nor the desire. I

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don't even know what the YouTube commenter's
name was, but he is from another

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country and he, in great length, and I mean paragraphs and paragraphs,

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tried to tell me how Gykowski is
it. Well, if you're not watching

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my show, then you know I've
already ruled him out based on his no

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match to the composite and his handwriting
is not a match. So if you

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take a look at this guy,
he's over six feet tall. Based on

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his own parameters, I think one
of the documents that I looked at was

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him applying for something which he had
to give that logistics or specifics about himself,

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and at the same time he was
gay. I mean, this man

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is over six feet tall, probably
never had a pot belly in his life,

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all the things that they're attempting to
say, and then this guy kind

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of form fit his own specifics about
Gaikowski into the YouTube comment by saying that

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he was five foot ten or five
foot eleven. Now, you've just made

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stuff up. Do you not know
that Gayikowski's much taller than five foot ten

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five foot eleven. Evidently they don't, and evidently whatever information they're being fed

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on their side of the world is
completely different than what is real and what

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is actually happening on this side of
the world. So with that being said,

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I did respond, and I thank
CEEDI for letting me know that.

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I'm honored that Tom took the time
to actually correct something. I think that

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working together is the only way to
make this happen, and he clearly has

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the most information or he wouldn't have
dubbed himself the Zodiac Killer official. So

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everybody, let's just step up and
start working on this. I've asked,

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I've asked in so many different ways
to look to exclude Jack, and everything

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I find includes him, not excludes
him. And I get it that everybody

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says things are coincidences, but at
a certain point it stops being a coincidence

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when Jack happens to be in the
same place every time these things are going

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on. He's part of it for
sure. Well that's what I'll think until

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he starts stepping up and showing me
how Jack can't be the one. You

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know, you've got to debate the
information. You got to show me why

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he can't be. You've got to
give me something that says Jack's not it,

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And unfortunately that just has not happened, or one of it. There

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may be more than one person,
as we know that maybe the persona of

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Zodiac. Well that's about Jack.
Yes, Jack is one hundred percent a

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part of it. The handwriting says
he's one hundred percent a part of it.

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We cannot negate the fact that Jack, or that the Zodiac has submitted

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evidence and new things about the crime
nobody else could have, so absolutely one

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hundred percent involved. I find that
Jack is the author of those letters,

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So that leads us in only one
direction at this point, which is we're

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going to keep following the trail of
Jack until I can exclude him. And

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that has not happened. And he's
done with some of the killings as well.

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He's not just the letter writer.
He's participated some of the executions and

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killings right right. In future communications, he's telling us this is going to

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happen. In communications afterwards, he's
telling us that this did happen. These

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days, he's telling the public.
He's telling the bigger spectrum of handlers and

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shadow athletes, forces and people that
are out there. He speaks in code

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clad but you know, we all
know that, especially Harry, you right

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well. And even when the messages, when the FBI is looking at messages

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that don't even have a cipher attached
to it for a message within a message,

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it tells us that we are right
that there is messages being relayed through

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these communications, and he is killing
so that he can get not only maybe

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to complete the agenda in which he's
hired for, but also to get that

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information out and prove and show that
he's done his job. That's why some

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of the letters and a lot of
the cypersolves don't make literal sense because they're

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coded right right, similar plain as
day, but others are hidden. Yeah,

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you're like, why would you even
say that? What was that about?

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Well, that brings us back to
the La Times airmail letter, which

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took responsibility for the Riverside activity after
the newspapers started reporting about Sharry Joe Bates

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being connected to the Zodiac Killer.
That letter said that he was crack proof,

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said that he had seventeen victims.
He refers to the Blue Meanies.

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The double letter spelling errors are always
consistent. We see the letter E edition.

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I've spoke about this for anybody who
has not been here for past episodes.

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A lot of these misspellings were on
purpose. You could tell by the

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cadence of the actual writing of the
words and the spaces between those letters that

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were actually false or did not need
to be there, having these gaps between

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them and after them before the next
letter is initiated, So that tells me

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the person has stopped, they've slowed
down, they thought about putting that E

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in there, and then they picked
back up and they moved back on again.

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And I find that in a lot
of cases with the double letter spelling

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errors, sometimes that is actually something
that Jack does, and sometimes that is

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something. I think that again is
just a ruse to make himself look dumber

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than he really is. But how
do you make yourself look dumb when you're

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also making yourself look so smart.
It's also like a calling card. It's

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like saying, by doing this stuff, you know it's me exactly exactly,

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And that's why I'm bringing up things
like blue meanies, We're gonna see blue

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meanies. We're gonna see blue blue, blue, blue blue as the reference

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to police officers and law enforcement.
It's something that just keeps happening. He

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also used the word fiddle and fart
around, which is a very unusual phrase.

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He says he's going to the more
slaves he will collect. Again,

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I think that's just a ruse to
set people off on that whole astrology type

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holds type thought process. Yeah,
yeah, he's getting credit to the most

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dangerous game too, where yes,
humans giving credit for finding the riverside activity.

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There's a hell of a lot more
down there. That obviously tells us

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that his seventeen victims is really just
I think that the Zodiac has compartmentalized his

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doings into different crime sprees. So
when he says there's a hell of a

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lot more down there. He can't
possibly be talking about withinside of the seventeen

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because he's pretty much already showing the
seventeen up to this date. So there

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the hell of a lot more down
there is almost as if that was another

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spree at another time, dealing with
a different phrase. That phrase itself is

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a colloquialism, just like fiddling fart
around. That's that's Jack's language. That's

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the true Jack speaking. Yes,
it is fiddle and fart Aroun is definitely

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a Texas reference or a Southern reference. Sorry. The reason for the letter

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is that he is upset. The
La Times put his story on the back

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page, and then of course into
the envelope we find all the makings of

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the zodiac. Everything is consistent.
The La Times is also the place where

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George Atte Bauerdorf worked before she was
killed. She was an acquaintance of Elizabeth

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Short, who was killed in nineteen
forty seven, and acquaintance of Spangler,

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who went missing from the same well. I don't know where she went missing

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from, but she purportedly went missing
when she was working for a nightclub that

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the Black Dahlia Avenger had actually purchased
a postcard from and sent to law enforcement.

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So there's a definite connection that's going
on there for sure. And of

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course we know that LA. What's
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in LA and that's this the whole
black because there were several murders around that

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period of young women, and LA
cops have always been crooked, did well.

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I find myself as a document examiner
when I get into cases involved down

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in San Diego, in Stan Bernardino, the Los Angeles area riverside, that

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there is a huge complaint by a
lot of people that these court systems are

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in fact still corrupt to this day. And I've seen it happen where they've

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taken sides on forgeries they should not
have, robbing the heirs of their estates

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and inheritances from their parents because some
greedy attorney or some greedy person has gotten

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involved and decided they're going to take
that from that elderly person. It's rather

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sad, but that's the way I
feel, and that's the way a lot

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of attorneys up here North feel,
is that that entire area is still just

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corrupt. It's a good old network
exactly, and let's not forget that La

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Times is also where Tom Voyd's father
worked. Yep, oh, Ellie Times

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just cut half of their newsroom and
not half a four one ninety jobs.

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They just slashed recently. Prit journalism's
dying. It's a sad thing. I

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love prit journalism. That's my educational
background, right. It's just I don't

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I don't even know what we we
literally are looking for in the news anymore

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these days, because we've seen how
bad they've watched these cases by over promoting

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stuff that wasn't true, under promoting
stuff that should have been, or just

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even coming right out and destroying someone's
life without doing the right research or investigative

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research or allowing that person to actually
be convicted before they go and report on

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them. Like they literally are just
doing the wrong thing all the time.

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I stopped watching the news. I
don't care anymore. I can't believe what

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you say. I change it from
one channel to the next. TI I'm

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getting different statistics, different numbers,
different quotes, different people died, different

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things happen. You can't get anybody
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when you know that these things are
being published through like up and AP,

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you would anticipate that they would just
follow with that exact story that was reported

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to them and all news and these
are going out to all the news syndicates,

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and that they would stay on track
with the same story, and they

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just don't. All right, Well, there is a possible Santa Rosa hitchhiker

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murder. A seventeen year old Lisa
Smith, who is still missing, went

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missing on March sixteenth, nineteen seventy
one. I did not find her in

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the group of the Santa Rosa hitchhiker
murders, but she is, at least

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as far as their concerns, still
missing, so I put it in here

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just to make sure she gets into
the mix. I could not find a

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picture on her either. She was
last seen hitchhiking on herne avenue in Santa

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Rosa, Sonoma County, California.
Hearn Avenue is near where Weber and Sterling

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will go missing in a year from
now. She was wearing white, ruffled

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blouse, screen jeans, a dark
peacoat, and cowboy boots. She had

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long, dark hair parted in the
middle and she's still missing, it says.

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She is initially reported missing from Petaluma, California, by her foster parents

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on March sixteenth, nineteen seventy one, after she was last seen hitchhiking a

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short distance away from her Foster home
along hern Avenue around seven pm. A

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young woman named Lisa Smith, which
is a common name, was hitchhiking on

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March twenty sixth, nineteen seventy one, and was picked up by a mail

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driver. He reportedly brandished a gun
and threatened to rape her. She jumped

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out of the pickup, which was
going about fifty five miles per hour.

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Now, in nineteen seventy one,
you guys, we know that there are

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pickups around because we see them in
the backgrounds of pictures with Nora, and

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this is the timeframe in which Dennis
claims Jack and Nora got together. So

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we know their pickup trucks, and
we know that there's going to be more

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information about pickup trucks as we go
through anyways, time here by the way,

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it's not oh hi, Harriet,
Yeah, I've been able to listen

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in. Sorry I've done. A
lot of people were hitch hiking, you

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know, a bomber, so that
a lot of people hitchocked back then,

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exactly. It was the way most
young people got around because they didn't have

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cars. Yeah, I got,
I got the salb On Sterling and Weber.

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I got, Yes, it made
that's a year for now. We're

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not doing her. We're not doing
them right now. I think that's nineteen

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seventy two when they go missing,
and we'll we'll put that in from whatever

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community, what communication is that off
of it's actually the evidence and the Santa

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Rosa newspapers and the San Francisco I
believe newspapers, So we'll go that.

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Yeah, we'll cover that on that. Yeah, that cord Or Petaluma or

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from Nevado to Santa Rosa. There
were several young women that went missing and

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then they found later dad and whatnot. And at law enforcement at first tried

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to pend it on arkle Lee Allen, but they couldn't make it stick.

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That's why he never got charged for
any of those currents. Right. Well,

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I also know that that stretch of
thirty seven includes Hamilton Air Force Base,

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which we know Jack was stationed at, so he's very very privy to

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the area. And it is it's
a one lane road that used to be

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very dangerous before they put up the
center divide or the k rails to keep

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people from crashing. Into each other. But we used to have accidents out

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there all the time, especially when
it got foggy, and it's really close

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to Boyho too. Yes, well, the weird part that Nolan just brought

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up, there is a NAPA connection
to those girls, to almost all of

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them, but a very dirty it's
a very surprising dirty side to some very

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dirty people in law enforcement. So
but that'll be covered up, you know,

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as you said in nineties, as
we go on, as we go,

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right, So, anyway, this
girl jumps out of the vehicle,

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This Lisa Smith jumps out of the
pickup which was going about fifty five miles

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per hour south of Nevado, California. She was treated at the Nevado General

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Hospital for a school fracture and multiple
severe cuts and bruises. A nurse at

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the hospital thought she looked about twenty
one years old. And so an article

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gets published on April first, nineteen
seventy one, in the Santa Rosa Press

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Democrat. We know about Press Democrat, We've talked about it, guys,

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Oh reported that the Lisa Smith treated
at Nevado General Hospital was the same person

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as the missing seventeen year old Lisa
Michelle Smith. The individual believed to have

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been Smith, left the hospital before
authorities could interview her and purportedly hitchhike back

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to San Francisco. Her biological parents
then located her shortly afterwards and took her

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back back to their home in Livermore, California, according to the article,

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which quoted a juvenile officer from the
sheriff's office. However, the Press Democrat

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reported in twenty eleven that the missing
seventeen year old Smith was not actually found.

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So here we've got the news manipulated
and playing with things again. Just

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a weird coincidence. I have a
journalist friend that worked at the Santa Rosa

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Press Democrat. His name was Sandy
Smith. Was just that weird coincidence?

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Another right it as well. It
is still not certain whether the to Lisa

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Smith actually were the same woman,
or whether they were two separate people.

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All of the hospital and law enforcement
records related to the case were missing by

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twenty eleven, and authorities hoped to
find Lisa Michelle Smith or someone who had

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known her to determine what happened.
Authority suspected it is possible that she was

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a homicide victim, or that her
case could have been related to the other

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attacks in the area during the same
period. Well, Lisa Lisa Smith,

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in my researches, matter of words, was just like a like a fake

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name that there's a real person's name
and behind that. And so she just

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said I'm Lisa Smith, you know, to whatever because she was seventeen,

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Well she was purportedly seventeen years old
and in foster care. So I don't

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know what she is about the names. It would be a protected name.

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It would be somebody saying that's what
was going on, right, Yeah,

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And there's just a lot of people
named Lisa Smith, but how many are

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Lisa Michelle spelled M I C H
E L E. I think the Michelle

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part of it being a yeah,
not not too common, so they should

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have been able to make that identification. And if she's still out there,

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hey Lisa, wave and say hi
to somebody. They're looking for you.

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So the jackal right, she's say
that again. Yeah, the Jack of

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the rights got that pot belly.
But the one on the left looks a

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little more fit. It's yes,
obviously saying not it's both Jack, but

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I think the one is younger,
right, I I think that his belly

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is still his belly is still protruding
over his dance, but it well,

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it's definitely not as big as It's
funny that you bring that up, because

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what I've been trying to do is
time time date these particular pictures. We

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see the ice blue Chevy behind them. We have determined that Nora bought this

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in December of nineteen seventy one.
We don't know whether or not Jack owned

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it before and sold it tour one
of Jack's friends sold it to her so

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that he had access to it beforehand. We don't know any of that.

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But what we do know is that
she didn't buy it until December first of

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nineteen seventy one, which means that
this picture here now is showing something like

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spring or fall based on the way
she's dressed. I'm not spring or spring

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to fall? Should I say so? Possibly summer I'm gonna say yeah,

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I'm going to say even more into
summer versus spring, because they are just

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well, I think that spring is
when the leaves start growing back on the

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tree. Every tree around them is
not is not lacking in leaves, so

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and she's dressed in shorts, so
yay, Yes, I'm gonna say this

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is not winter of seventy one.
She didn't buy this car till December of

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seventy one. So I'm almost wanting
to say that this picture is more like

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seventy two, about three years after
this one is purportedly nineteen seventy. This

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is his daughter Lana when he's in
South Lake Tahoe with her. So he

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is a bit he is a bit
skinnier. But also remember when they told

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him to move away, change his
appearance, get a family, find a

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job, do something else somewhere else, and stop killing here. It's you

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can see how all of that has
actually occurred in the end. And yes,

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guys, it's like e Howard Hunt
the Bargate burglar, and they have

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picked guys Cia guy that they never
look the same twice. They always have

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the sizes that they're chamelions. Yes, when I show you the compilation picture

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of all of Jack's different pictures throughout
the years, you swear one is not

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the next from the next. It's
absolutely amazing. It is probably no coincident

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picture. Go ahead, watergates,
watergates stuff. I'm working on so much

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of that interesting you bring that up. Sorry for interrupting. I'm trying to

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watch Gland awesome. It is probably
no coincidence of this picture we see of

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Jack visiting his daughter in South Lake
Tahoe and Christmas of I wanted to say

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it was labeled nineteen seventy, it
could be. It could be nineteen seventy

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one. Also look at the girth
difference. So we've already talked about that,

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the girth difference between Jack and nineteen
seventy with his daughter to the picture

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of him with circa or with Nora
in circa seventy two. He makes some

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major changes in his life appearances over
the years. We already talked about when

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she bought the car. But here's
an excerpt from Dennis's book. It says

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another place Jack was was San Jose, and he spent a lot of time

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at a camp site just outside of
you Midi National Park. This campsite was

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on Chiqito Creek, and we showed
that in the Radian Theory, where it

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showed on the radians going to these
locations, and that was a spot that

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Jack specifically picked. Jack moved to
South Lake Tahoe, where he met my

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mother. Zodiac sent a postcard to
the Bay Area newspaper in March of nineteen

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seventy one, and it would be
three years until the zodiac would write again.

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The postcard was an ad for a
resort in Tahoe. Just after the

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postcard was sent is when Jack met
my mother. So oh okay, so

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he is saying more like, oh
good. I don't know how I didn't

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catch that before. So after the
postcard was sent, that's when Jack met

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his mom. So it's going to
be either summertime or something in nineteen seventy

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one, now that we've dated that. My mother was working for Tahoe City

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Linen when she met Jack. He
was a mechanic for the trucks. I

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met Jack when I was five years
old. I walked out in the living

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room one day and he was sitting
there with his arm around my mother.

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The first thing I said to him
was get your arm off my mom.

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He told me, you and a
typical five year old boy. Right now,

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you touch you my mom. He
and in there too. I don't

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know about any of that, but
Dennis was an f bomber all the time.

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He told me, you and I
need to be to do. He

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took me in the bedroom and paddled
my ass. He told me that he

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didn't want to be here anymore than
I wanted him there, but that was

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just how it had to be,
so I would just have to accept it.

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I never understood why he told me
that until now, So that was

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hindsight for Dennis. But his first
introduction to Jack was getting his butt beat

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that that Ken, It shows that
Jack had a purpose for being in to

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exactly he has to be he was
told to. I'm pretty sure he was

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told changed thing. Grand the jobs. The jobs were all stage. That's

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what I'm piecing together, all the
jobs to be up there. Yeah,

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you know he had a lot of
skills do that right now, right well.

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And Lennen Companies were notoriously ran by
the mob back in the day.

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You see it on the Irishman,
you see it in all of these different

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excerpts of mob related stuff. Running
laundries and cab companies and gas stations.

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Yes, yes, a place where
somebody could literally be useful when they're there,

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but when you had to send them
to go do a job, you

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wouldn't miss them right then. Yep. It's a tried and tested way of

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doing jobs, shall we say,
and getting information planting bugs. There's so

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many possibility you're there, you're there, or a scary guard like in the

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RFK assassination. Hmm, right,
you couldn't hold a high power job,

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you'd be missed. Dame Sees are
one of the people think that may have

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been the one who actually killed RFK. When they asked him what his job

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was, he said, I'm a
plumber and the watergate where there's all plumbers.

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And he worked at Lockeed, which
is tied ties to the CIA and

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to the national you know, the
military industrial complex and all that. He

405
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said, I'm a plumber at Locke
that that's what his tie was before he

406
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.799
went to work for the security company
and he only worked there for like a

407
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.319
month prior to the RFK assassination.
He was planted in that security agency.

408
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:52.440
I was a member of the American
Society of Industrial Security, which case,

409
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.079
sometimes I spoke on what I knew
and then other times you were generally listening

410
00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.960
to people speak in regards to privatized
security. Home the people who were in

411
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:07.160
attendance were getting their continuing education,
such as Homeland security, the FBI.

412
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.200
We've had many speakers from all all
kinds of places, but the but where

413
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:15.200
we actually had our meetings from the
very beginning. We're at Lockheed out there

414
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:21.880
at Mayther. Wow, yeah,
it's crazy. So same yeah, I

415
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:23.480
bet, I bet all the way
on that base and all the way off

416
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:30.759
that base. So the same day
that well, not the same Well,

417
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:35.759
let me phrase this correctly. The
same day. The next letter is mailed

418
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.559
by the Zodiac in regards to donal
Lass is mailed from Pleasanton per Dennis Kaufman.

419
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:45.519
It is an order signed by Judge
Anthony Nabe that finalizes a criminal order

420
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:50.319
against Jack W. Torrance. You
guys, t O R R A n

421
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.960
CE. You can see it right
here. He kept the paperwork, so

422
00:32:53.279 --> 00:33:00.319
he had literally been arrested and jailed
and UH was able to get out on

423
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:07.920
UH bond under the name Torrance.
It has been explained to me that the

424
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:12.079
only way that's possible is if he
carried an ID with that same exact name,

425
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.920
because if your bond comes into the
jail and it doesn't match your name

426
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:23.000
or your ID, you're not let
out right right. But also had a

427
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:30.920
case in Sutter Carry where my client's
name is wrong, his age is wrong,

428
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.799
his date of birth is wrong,
and they took him in for a

429
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:37.680
dui and they o ard him like
two hours later that he didn't have to

430
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.359
spend the night, and then we
just selled it. I got him a

431
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:45.119
wet and we won that case.
But anyway, but there was so much

432
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:49.200
shit wrong in their paperwork. Couldn't
you just said, then that's not my

433
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:57.599
client. You got the wrong person. All right? Well so but this

434
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.119
ruse, this ruse of torrents,
keeps going going on. This isn't the

435
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.680
first step. He was arrested under
that name, he was jailed under that

436
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.159
name, he was bonded out on
that name, he was given an order

437
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:15.079
to or a temporary restraining order under
that name, and he continues to pay

438
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:20.719
the restitution under that name. It
is never once corrected in the whole We're

439
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:22.599
going to see that, we're going
to see you. That's a great that's

440
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.719
a great thing to do. Just
let it right. But Jack is also

441
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.000
Jack Nicholson. In the shining,
that was his name, Jack Thorns.

442
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:37.840
So here we see that he is, it says. The court renders the

443
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:42.920
following orders imposition of sentence suspended.
So he gets a suspended sentence, and

444
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.000
Jack is arrested in his reigned in
court on March nineteenth, nineteen seventy one,

445
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:50.320
We're going to see that. The
next letter is mailed on March twenty

446
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.599
second, nineteen seventy one, and
Dennis claims that Jack had shot a black

447
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:58.599
man in San Jose and Jack is
placed on one year probation with the temporary

448
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.960
restraining order on owning possessing any guns
and he had a claim of self defense.

449
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:08.320
Dewhurst also writes in his book that
approximately the same time, Danny went

450
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:14.039
to CIA to CYA, which is
a California youth authority for kids who get

451
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:19.199
in trouble for robbing a liquor store
in Mount Aucam using Jack's thirty thirty shotgun.

452
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:23.559
So that may be the reason why
Adams Danny is the step son.

453
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:30.599
So he is Doris Reynolds. Doris
Reynolds worked for the human human Resources department

454
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:35.280
at General Electric while Jack worked there
in sixty two sixty three, and even

455
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:39.119
though he was still married Toaltha,
she left with him to Texas and married

456
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:44.480
Jack. Then that got annulled because
he was still married Toaltha. Then that

457
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:49.480
they divorced, and then he got
back together, yes with Doris. So

458
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.719
the bottom line is is on March
twenty second, nineteen seventy one, the

459
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:58.599
last time anybody hears from the Zodiac. Anthony Nave, Judge Anthony Nave has

460
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:02.800
made this order again Jack Torrance,
uh, and he is not allowed to

461
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:08.679
have guns at this point. So
here is that the signing the son of

462
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:16.840
Jack Torrance is Danny as well.
Isn't that strange? Oh, you're right,

463
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:24.719
Yeah, they've got they We believed, just wanted the interject real quick.

464
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:29.599
Dennis believed, and I think you
guys believe that you came on board

465
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:34.039
early on in the message boards that
there's so much of a Hollywood connection and

466
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:39.679
there were a lot of ideas for
movies based on Jack's world. So look

467
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:51.039
at look sorry, go ahead and
Bulletcqueen's film My location in San Francisco.

468
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:58.000
Dirty Harry filmed My location in San
Francisco. They're all characters, I think

469
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.480
in in Bullet, I think it's
it's the scorpio. I think is the

470
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:07.480
killer right, And we have scorpion
letters going to John Walsh. So we're

471
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:12.440
going to see that running theme,
even back to the Black Dahlia with man

472
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:17.320
Ray depicting that art as he wanted
to call it, where she's bisected and

473
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:22.079
got naked and laid out and sprawled
out in pretty much the same manner.

474
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:28.760
He claims to have made that picture
before killing a black Dolia. But in

475
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.719
hindsight, it seems to me that
that they already know what's going to happen.

476
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:42.920
Yes, the crook Hodell that raped
his daughter and whatnot? Right,

477
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:47.760
doctor, Yeah, I don't know
much about Hodell, though it does appear

478
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:53.599
based on Harriet Saul, that there
is some participation to some degree or level

479
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:59.519
with these sickos. Steve Hodell believes
that of his father, and Harriet is

480
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:06.360
coming up of things that says also
he's involved with these happening happening Chicago with

481
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.320
the lipstick stuff. Absolutely, and
that's and and that's one of the things

482
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:14.519
that Harry was finding in her souls. So Steve isn't on the wrong track

483
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:19.079
necessarily. But to say that his
father is the Zodiac would be highly uh

484
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.960
erroneous, since we know he looks
nothing like it. He might have been

485
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:28.719
part of the bigger picture and involved
in some of the killings, but he's

486
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:34.480
not Zodiac, right, He's not
Zo can I So another can I can

487
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:39.280
I add just to summization about Hodell. He's twenty or thirty years older than

488
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:46.239
Jack and his level. We Yeah, we've already talked about the training that

489
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:53.559
there, that he's he's a part
of the training crew. Hodell. Yeah,

490
00:38:55.000 --> 00:39:00.159
so another cutout version of yes.
So another cutout of a postcard with

491
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:05.840
some handprinting is enough to tell it
is the zodiac. And I say Jack,

492
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.280
Jack has a court date, like
I said, on the nineteenth,

493
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:12.159
we have this that is mailed on
the twenty second. I need to correct

494
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:16.280
that date on my presentation. Jack
is placed on probation. Danny Reynolds,

495
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.920
Jack step son from the marriage goes
to CYA. Zodiac goes silent for three

496
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:25.679
years. We do not get another
communication from him during this particular timeframe.

497
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.920
However, the murders continue and we
see the entrance of the dB Cooper Escapade

498
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:37.519
and the DC Freeway phantom. This
particular postcard was actually accepted by the FBI

499
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:42.719
as a possible known Zodiac correspondence,
so it did make that FBI list,

500
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.480
so we see it down here.
Though I believe I want to say that

501
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:51.480
it was Tom Voyd or were someone
else who indicated that they were told at

502
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:55.079
a later date this postcard was forged
by another person in law enforcement. I

503
00:39:55.119 --> 00:40:00.159
can't imagine what kind of scum and
law enforcement would attempt to forge anything in

504
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:04.679
regards to this case if it was
so serious that we figured out who it

505
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:12.000
was that was involved. The San
Francisco detective that he forged one of the

506
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:16.880
Zodiac communications. Yeah, and that's
because he literally wrote some promoting letters about

507
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:22.480
himself to another editor somewhere, and
that had nothing to do with the Zodiac.

508
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:24.760
He wasn't attempting to be the Zodiac. He was just pumping himself up

509
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.519
and so for that, they then
tried to claim that he was responsible for

510
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:34.079
forging Zodiac letters and that simply wasn't
true. Who wishes that people work on

511
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.760
themselves? Nobody, nobody. Why
would you make yourself more work for a

512
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:42.960
case you can't solve? And anyway, I think I've already said it before.

513
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:49.079
In the movie Bullet, Steve McQueen
uses Task's gun as his prop for

514
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:54.800
being hit the tective car in the
movie That's Crazy. That's another just Hollywood

515
00:40:54.800 --> 00:41:02.559
connection. Well here is the postcard
front and back. Oh sorry for this

516
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:07.400
day, Go ahead keep calling.
Sierra Club is supposed to be for the

517
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:13.199
elite and is another society in itself. However, Terry b from my message

518
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:19.199
board found this postcard for Forest Pines
at Incline, Lake Tahoe's Finest Condominiums,

519
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.079
which means that the true knowledge behind
this postcard has been withheld from the public

520
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:28.159
this entire forty some years or otherwise. So we see that is exactly the

521
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:34.199
same makeup of the postcard that the
Zodiac Station, only he's calling it the

522
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.960
seat. He's pointing out the Sierra
Club rather than Forest Pines at Incline.

523
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:45.159
Interesting, Yeah, I is on
the Nevada side too. It's just across

524
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:51.599
state line, says Lake Tahoe's finest
new condominium. So it's in Lake Tahoe,

525
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:55.119
but it's called Pins at Incline.
So why is he calling out Sierra

526
00:41:55.159 --> 00:42:02.960
Club, which happens to be a
whole different organizations that aggressive thro nature organization,

527
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.280
Right, So what wasn't that they
were attempting? What was it that

528
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:13.559
he was attempting to point out at
that point? I have no idea in

529
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:16.480
that particular postcard that was received.
At least this was the makeup of the

530
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:21.880
one that was provided by Dennis Kaufman
to me. This is the actual postcard

531
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:24.920
at the Forest Pines at Incline.
This is another version which seems to be

532
00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:29.119
much clearer. And I think I
got this one from your stuff, Harriet,

533
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:37.320
But yeah, when we're probably coming
from a newspaper that I had years

534
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:39.320
earlier. Okay, So yeah,
that would be why it's so clear,

535
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:45.000
right, And someone had sent me
the or had pointed out in this particular

536
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:50.880
version that they believed that the initials
JT were found in the snow line,

537
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:59.239
which right, So I'm looking back
and forth at these images, I've recognized

538
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:05.320
that this particular area above Sierra Club
is actually this area right here that's above

539
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:08.360
the condominiums themselves. Of course,
this is I've put this. I've blown

540
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:13.519
this section up, so this section
here is actually this portion here, and

541
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.079
of course the rest of this is
the surrounding buildings and everything else that are

542
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:20.239
found in that image. So when
I blew it up, I can again

543
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.199
see what that person was thinking that
they saw as the J and then that

544
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:28.280
tea. However, all of the
areas on this image, once it's been

545
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:32.960
recopied, actually goes this portion with
the lines in it actually turns black instead

546
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:38.159
of being white. So how it
turned out to be white in this particular

547
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:42.760
section, especially with that dot right
there to the left, like we've seen

548
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.760
in some of the symbols. Does
make me kind of wonder whether or not

549
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:52.199
that was emphasized to some degree yet
still being hidden inside of the image.

550
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:59.119
Sierra Club is superimposed on the photo. Is a cutout, No, it's

551
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.719
cutout, and he cut out and
pasted different things onto this. But he's

552
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:12.519
calling out clearly a different organization while
it is a different entity altogether. Force

553
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:21.119
finds it incline versus Sierra Club.
Yeah, and of course he never does

554
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:22.679
unless it makes a message. And
that's what we're going to get you with

555
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:27.920
the area. Yeah, it's a
clue. It's a clue to a message.

556
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:32.360
So, and it's also pass Lake
Tahoe areas and pass Donner Pass,

557
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:38.679
and that's where passed Donner passed.
We found the skull. We law enforcement

558
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:44.119
found the skull in nineteen eighty six
of Donna Lass. Yeah, which was

559
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:50.360
just recently identified. Right, So
let's look at the consistencies of these communications.

560
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.039
It was it, I'm sorry cutouts
were used to create the words just

561
00:44:54.199 --> 00:45:00.480
like them O in black Dahlia Zodiac
the finale letter dB Cooper. The address

562
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.800
side of the card shows a return
address, zodiac written and zodiac symbol look

563
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:08.760
alike, which is consistent with the
Halloween card. It's addressed to the Times,

564
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:15.119
San Francisco Examiner and San Francisco A
chronicle picture side of the postcard shows

565
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:21.719
attorney attention to Paul Averley again with
the chronicle around in the snow upside down.

566
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:23.840
Some of these, again, these
messages don't make sense. They're not

567
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:30.000
meant for us to clearly understand what
he means. Peak fill Pines past Lake

568
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:35.840
Tahoe areas sought victim twelve, claim
to the number of victims at this point

569
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:37.639
in time, or actually it's not
even a claim to the number of victims

570
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:42.320
anymore, as I've established, This
letter comes after she goes missing, so

571
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.280
that means he's saying soft victim twelve. He's backdating you, he's taking you

572
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:50.199
back. He's just given you La
times seventeen victims, and now he's going

573
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:54.760
back saying search for victim number twelve, who's missing. After this postcard,

574
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.039
the zodiac goes quiet for three years, which is in tandem with Danny Reynolds

575
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:04.039
and Cya and Jack being put on
probation for one year. On March twenty

576
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.880
third of nineteen seventy one, there's
an anonymous call. They told Los Angeles

577
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:12.519
Police that Hughes's body is buried behind
the barn at Burker Ranch. So that

578
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:17.880
takes us back into one day after
somebody's Yes, one day after somebody is

579
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.480
calling in and saying where you can
actually find Ronald Hughes's body there, say

580
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:27.440
it's been a body there, it
wasn't Hugheses. And Barbara is a death

581
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:31.719
valley, and that's what the Manson
plan hit out for a while and a

582
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:39.119
lot of them were arrested there actually
and taking it. Yeah, it it

583
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:44.719
does say the search did not reveal
his body. Research suggests that it did,

584
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.280
and it was found between two boulders. However, on March twenty ninth

585
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:52.639
and nineteen seventy one, Ronald Hughes's
body is found in Ventura, California.

586
00:46:52.480 --> 00:47:00.239
Right, so's Ventura more. Ventura's
close to Ohio Valley and that's where he

587
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:06.760
that he died in a flat flood
in Ohi Valley near Ventura. Gotcha,

588
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:12.079
Okay, So I'm catching up with
that. But why would somebody anonymously call

589
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:16.079
in and say check out Barker Ranch
again? What news? Was then attorney

590
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:22.199
for one of the Manson people and
someone is trying to deflect it. They're

591
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.599
trying to pin the murder on the
Mansons. Well, what if he was

592
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:34.480
killed there and then taken to wherever
he was and then thrown in the right,

593
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.880
and they anticipated or expected maybe there
would have been some type of evidence

594
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:45.039
that they would find by going to
Barker Ranch. Yeah, but I think

595
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:51.159
he came onto the scene later.
Did they already established the presidence in Barker

596
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:53.480
Ranch for a while. He came
onto the scene after they got arrested,

597
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:59.159
and they were in jail, So
I know, I'm just saying Plan members

598
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.280
that were at Barker Ranch when others
were in jail, So it's possible.

599
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:08.000
And why Well, and again it's
just it's only marked as an anonymous call.

600
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:13.840
And they told the Los Angeles Police
that his body is buried behind the

601
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.199
barn at Barker Ranch, but does
not turn out to be there, So

602
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:20.599
why are they sending him on this
goose chase? And then six days later

603
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.440
his body's found in Ventura, California. Right, And Well, they were

604
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:30.519
known to have killed a few people
up in the death valuers. Well,

605
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I didn't make it as far to
the the solve as I thought it was

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going to be next Harriet. We're
out of time now at this point,

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we have hit the ten fifty mark, so I don't want to wish everybody

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a wonderful weekend. I thank you
guys again for being here. It's been

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extremely informative, so hopefully next week
we can get to the solve and keep

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moving on to where Jack is and
what's going on. I'll call you Monday

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on other matters. All right,
take care, guys, I'll talk to

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you soon. Yeah me. Magazine
menaz Mena Manzo