March 21, 2025

Jack and Nora Split – Texas Murders

Jack and Nora Split – Texas Murders

Jack and Nora split up and Jack has gone back to Texas. Murders in Texas ramp up and California is void of murders until Jack returns. We will cover a very interesting web of people, businesses, and syndicates involved in some very nefarious deeds....

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Jack and Nora split up and Jack has gone back to Texas. Murders in Texas ramp up and California is void of murders until Jack returns. We will cover a very interesting web of people, businesses, and syndicates involved in some very nefarious deeds. Lindsay McBrayer will enlighten us on the significance of this web as we cover each person and entity.

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today. Nolan del Campo,

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Good morning, everybody, Good morning, and Harriet Soouschet. Yes, good morning,

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good morning. You'll like what we're starting out with this morning,

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because I received another person's version of a solve and

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it just made me kind of tickle. I was just

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looking it up. They were talking about the poison pen.

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They call it the dripping pen. It's known both ways

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poison pen, dripping pen. Do we even know where poison

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pen came from? Or was that something that you kind

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of came up with, Harriet when you were talking about

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the actual device? I do you think sorry about that?

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That's okay, It's okay, it's Okay, so did you hear

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what I asked?

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No?

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Okay, so I had.

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The salves the ridiculous rank.

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Uh yeah.

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So basically g Scott's seventies sent message on YouTube saying

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the dripping pen card is a one letter cipher. Turn

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the seven into a Z with a slash of a pen.

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The Z will spin your head when you see the

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name hidden in the first letter of each month spells Jason.

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The D represents a dot and death. So I kept going,

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I don't think there's that many months written on that card,

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and I just looked it up just before we started

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the show. Of course, that letter does not indicate all

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the letters that this individual is trying to state or

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involved in that dripping pen card. He had indicated December

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spelled with an S, July, August, September, October equals seven.

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So I'm not sure how we got Jason.

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I always am interested in how people's minds work when

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they think they've made a slid something that doesn't quite

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make enough sense to me. But Jason, I then obviously

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presumed that we had a Jay month, and a month

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and S month, and oh month and an end month,

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and that December was not supposed to be part of

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the equation because he says it represents something else. So

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I don't know where he got the end from, which

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is really kind of my problem, because there is no November.

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There is there is the I just read off the

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months that are listed on that particular communication. But I

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thought this would tickle you, Harriet. At first, I was

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going to ask you to take a look at it

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and see whether or not it had any viability. But

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now as I look at it, I'm not really seeing

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much there. What do you think about that?

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Well, I'm I would love to take a look at it,

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but I've been focusing on the latest zodiac suspect to

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make the realms, even all the way into the San

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Francisco Chronicle in which ninety six year old man his

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name is John Trefo, I just end up, Yeah, he's

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not the zodiac. But what what stands out to me

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is he's involved in I would say versions of mind

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control or mind altering drugs for patients in the schizophrenic

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world and hospitals. But he got in trouble. He lost

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his license in nineteen ninety nine for trying to write

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a book about his his his one of his main

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patients that was getting stuff that they weren't supposed to

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have and from what I understand, making them schizophrenic. Son

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a Zodiac Yeah, no, he clearly is a book.

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Yeah, I have to share on that because, yeah, it's

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it's really very interesting. What's that.

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I saw his picture and the picture that they're trying

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to post and compare it with. Then he has black

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hair and a widows peak because I believe nineteen seventy

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two ish, and that's not you know, doesn't I mean,

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we know Zodiac comparison and composes for sixty eight, sixty

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nine and whatever. So uh, he's not Zen, all.

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Right, So I'll share mine because I can't. I'm usually

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getting the insight from other people. Nolan, you're one of

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my best patrons of Well, Haynette, did you see we've

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got another suspect out there. This one actually came from

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my brother, who is a CHP officer in California. His

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wife had known this girl, I guess in high school,

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and so she had started seeing her feeds that were

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coming up on Facebook. So he got all into it

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and started reading it and it looks like it could

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be part of the group. Blah blah blah, so I

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finally had an opportunity yesterday to go and read some

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of the things that are on this girl's post. The

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one thing I want to point out is that there

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is an article listed by a Stephanie Panis. All she

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did was nearly post the link for Mendocino County Sheriff's Department,

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in which case they have cleared this guy of DNA

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even from the murders and the information. So they stated

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he had some information in regards to it, but he

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was basically wrong in other aspects.

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They have looked into him.

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They have I guess, tested DNA, they found that it

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was not a match, and they've stated they've not found

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anything that holds any credibility that this girl is saying.

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So I took a look at the picture that you're

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talking about, and it states that he was born in

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nineteen thirty nine. That would make him roughly very three

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years of age at the Zodiac happenings, which I feel

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is just a bit young, especially when we know that

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they discuss thirty five to forty five and they talked

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about having a saggy neck and stuff like that that

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this thirty year old obviously does not have in his

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and I want to say it was a medical ID

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card that they were actually putting up with his face

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on it.

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And while there is some similarity, we have to.

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Pay attention to how young he looks at this time.

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And of course, again he also has to be responsible

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for more than just the Zodiac. He has to be

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responsible for Sherry Joe Bates. That would put him around

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twenty three something like that. But I think he's in

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medical school at this time, so there, I think, I

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think so, Harry, No, no, no no. And they stated

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that he was consistently flying back to California over his

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jealousies of his of the girl that he was in

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love with. Which is this girl? The girl who's posting

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this stuff on Facebook, it's her mother. But then I

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also saw some crazy posts from some other people saying, yeah,

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the crazy stuff you were posting last time kind of

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reminded me of a Debor Peres instance. Right, one year

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she's the daughter of the Zodiac, and the year before

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she was the love child of JFK and Marilyn Monroe.

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You can't really know both directions. Yeah, what I can do.

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I'm trying not to elact myself. It's just ridiculous.

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But you know.

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Brother, Yeah, and I say real quickly, his brother is

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a dentist. From what I understand, this guy trifle and

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has allegedly fifty books out.

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But he's located.

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Historically in next to Naperville, Illinois, And I'm like, that's

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so c C. K Era stuff. But anyways, but I

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think he's still considered to be the brother a dentist. Well,

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I don't know. I think it would be too old

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to be a dentist now. But I was like, this

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is a little coincidental for me to see things that

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I'm familiar with Aperville, Illinois and Chicago. Oh God, I

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can go on and on, but but he's definitely not

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the zodiac.

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I thought it was interesting is that many people were

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commenting on the fact that it looks as though she's

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attempting to write a book. So basically, what she's ulled out, yes,

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it does. What she's rolled out on the Facebook does

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not look like you know, this innocent daughter trying to

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out her father claims that he wants to give locations

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of bodies, but then turns around and says, oh, but

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it's a heavily wooded area with redwood roots and it's

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going to be too hard to dig up and imaging

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machines just won't work. Like so while she says there'll

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be evidence there, she then downplays it to the degree

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of saying that it's not really going to be easy

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to find. And then I think at the end of

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the Mendocino that link for Stephanie Panis and the article

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from Mendocino Sheriff's department.

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Had indicated that they wanted.

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To actually speak to him, and both her and I

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don't know if it's a sister or another girl that

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she's working with on this both indicated that he won't

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have anything to do with cops. Well, then he's not

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really looking to give a death bed confession.

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They're looking for a book deal. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly

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writing a book on his patient. She was writing a

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book on his patient, trying to create that's what what

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cost him his life. So, you know, but it's reminded

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me of Tom Boyce's website where everybody had a book

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on the zodiac and that's what they were pushing, and

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they were looking for all book deals and then the

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movie that they were pushing, So you know, it is

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what it is.

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The more mystery that they can cause by writing multiple

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books on people they know they don't even have the

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slightest amount of evidence on that would actually even cause

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them to be arrested, let alone convicted. As the Zodiac

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killer is really kind of their goal. And I kind

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of hope that when you'd said, once Jimmy Carter died,

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we were going to get some of this information. I

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did see that the JFK files dropped. I think about

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sixty thousand of them on the FBI archives.

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The vault is what it's called. Have you seen any

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of those?

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But I've seen a number of them on Twitter, slash x,

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and they keep on bringing up something about control they're

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trying to In the nineteen sixty seven one they did

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files and I'm like, isn't this like mind control? They're

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trying to control this, They're trying to control that. And

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then they posted a picture. A lot of them have

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posted a picture about George Bush, No Senior being at Dallas.

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He was.

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I've seen the picture him and Clinton Bote you did, but.

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Both of them are, but it was senior too. But

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but my point is we know that I've done dos

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of them by now saying that George Bush Junior uh

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and Senior were both involved with mp Ultra. They might

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not recall. There's a story from Roger Stone saying that

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he's calling BS that that George Bush Senior can't recall

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being there, and I'm pointing out he didn't mind control stuff.

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He might not recall.

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But I'm there's a possibility.

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Yeah, so you know that's right, part of something. Okay, anyways, amazing.

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I don't want to step back into the JFK era.

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But have you seen anything or have you seen any

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of the documents?

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Nolan?

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I have not yet. I've been too busy.

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Yeah, that's kind of the way I.

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I know it is.

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I would have thought you had a deep dived problem.

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Is isn't reading. It isn't the easiest thing to do

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because it's bound to be heavily redacted. So of course

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you have to put the pieces together, have the time

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to do that, and it's almost as if you have

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to sit there and go through everything that you can

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go through at one time, which is very exhausting.

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I don't want to climb down that road.

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It's not as important to me to know who and

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how many people were involved, just that America understands it

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was not a single bullet theory by Oswald that we've

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been lied to this entire time. They act as though

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they're trying to be our friends. They want to put

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this information out. They say it's in the claim of transparency.

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get the full story, if they don't want to just

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come out and say, look, this is exactly how many

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shots were fired. Look, this is how many people we

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believe that were involved. Without us as Americans trying to

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take the time to read sixty thousand documents, then are

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they really being transparent because a lot of people don't

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have the time to do that type of research or

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to deep dive into those documents.

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it was today, the story about the release of the

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Kennedy documents, it's still maintained the theory that Oswall was

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the lone a sassity.

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Even with these that does make sense because now the Australian.

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Media and other media throughout the world I have already

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come out and said that there was more than one shooting.

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Probably didn't even pull a trigger.

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I didn't catch the gals name that we were doing

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the press. I didn't catch the name of the gal

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that was doing the press release for the release of

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these documents on Trump's behalf, but she indicated she is

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barely started in the reading of it, and it's already

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apparent there was at least two shooters at least, So

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why are they still trying to feed? Go ahead? Are right?

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So I say it is more than one shooter. And

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they're people that are still alive, that are connected, So

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that could be why they're like, let's put the brakes on,

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because this person is possibly connected somehow and they're you know, still.

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Around well, and that's why they But that's why Trump

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said when they came when he.

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The what.

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Say that again?

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I think if these people are still around, I don't

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think it should matter. I think if they're culpable, then

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they should be responsible.

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Transparency.

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There is no statute of limitations on murder period.

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Two years.

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To release the information exactly and quite frankly, these individuals

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have lived a better part of their lives free doing

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whatever it is that they wanted to do after committing

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this murder. And what that shows America that only if

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you're at a lower level of society would you be

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held responsible and accountable for murdering somebody. That's it's just, yeah,

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it's too much. I'm not going to climb back into

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those documents because again, all that matters to me is

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that we know that the Zodiac wrote a letter in

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regards to it, and what that tells me is that

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he was in the know, He knew people that knew

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what was going on, and he attempted to out that

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information on Jack Ruby or Rubinstein as his real name

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is called. I did actually see though, that bell I

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I was under the impression bell I was Jack Ruby's attorney.

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Was he one of them?

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Was?

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I also said, yes, okay.

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Naturally attorneys, but bell I became the.

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Main one, okay, because I did see them list in

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Lindsay mcbray's information listed a different attorney for him, and

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I went, wait a minute, if I had this wrong

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this whole time and telling the public the wrong thing.

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But no, I'm glad to hear you guys say that

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that Belli, yes, is still wrapped up in the center

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of this. He also received a letter from the Zodiac,

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just like Dallas p. D received in regards to JFK.

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So again, it all just kind of keeps everything in

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that in that realm. All right, let's get past this

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guy in his ridiculous solve, because honestly speaking, I can't

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make any sense of it. There's no end month. So

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where he pulled the en out of I have no idea.

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And how he says the D represents a dot and death,

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it just means that that D didn't fit into his name,

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so he had to figure out some other way to

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portray it by.

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About the Ruby and the Ruby trial and his incarceration.

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And one night Dorothy kill gell and the famous journalist

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was the only one that ever interviewed Ruby during this

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time period, and she was planning to write a book

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on the Kennedy South Station and then she got suicided.

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Kill Gallan, I think I remember you talking about that.

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You mean self homicide, which brings.

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Us to the woman who knew too much. Unfortunately she

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got put six feet under m Well.

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That brings us back. And I thought we were going

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to actually have Lindsay McGray here today because the last

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document that we started to talk about last week was

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in regards to research she was doing when she was

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looking up the Wetterling abduction. And I'm not sure if

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he was killed or not. Do you remember Wetterling It

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was a child, Harriot, Did you have anything that came

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out him?

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Well for Jacob Weatherling as an adult. That's where it

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really caught my attention about true crime because of how

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they were sensationalizing his abduction. I honestly can't exactly remember,

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uh the date, but I just thought it was amazing

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how they were, you know, asking the public's help, please

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call this number, blah blah blah. And I think it

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was before the internet. So yeah, Jacob Wederwing stood up,

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stands up a lot. And he's in the Minnesota area

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of I remember correctly, so I think he was. I

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think he was found deceased. That they I'm trying to

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remember did they arrest somebody? But he was I think

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one of the first sensationalized modern kidnappings of children. And

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it's it's like it's almost as weird, as almost as

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horrible as it sounds. It became like a like a

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blueprint how to sensationalize these stories of kids missing and

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then eventually, of course do a lot of TV shows,

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radio shows, newspapers, you know, And this was a real

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person that got kidnapped, you know, and a real person

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that did it so well.

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This particular document is where she she claims, in the

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research and files on this particular abduction, and I think it.

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Is an unsolved murder.

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She found this particular document that lists basically a diagram

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of those that are involved in the underground trafficking of children.

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And of course the top right hand corner has an asterisk,

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as if this is the philosophy that over is overlooking

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this entire group, or it almost looks like they've mapped

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out a multi level marketing scheme to me, because it's

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literally a flow chart of how these individuals interact and

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it says with an asterisk, Dorian philosophy. So Dorian philosophy,

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for those who do not were one of the four

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major ethnic groups in which the Hellenes of classical Greece

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divided themselves. They were almost always referred to as just

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the Dorians, as they are called in the earliest literary

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mention of them in the Odyssey, where they already can

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be found inhabiting the island of Crete.

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Now, the Dorians believed in.

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Child lovers, so basically they're stating that this goes all

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the way back to Greece at a very very early time,

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and then it starts out with the porno shops being

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on top, and then of course that reaches out to

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a direct male that goes and feeds downward into.

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Today Bear Club ads.

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Which I couldn't really find anything on that person, the

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Advocate ads and other underground papers. When I looked up

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the ad, this is what I came up with, it says.

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The Advocate is an American LGBTQ magazine printed bi monthly

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and available by subscription. The Advocate brand also includes a website.

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Both magazines and websites have an editorial focus on news, politics, opinion,

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and arts and entertainment of entrants interests to the lesbian,

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gay men, bisexuals, change gender and queer people. The magazine,

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established in nineteen sixty seven, is the oldest and largest

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LGBTQ publication in the United States and the only surviving

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one of its kind that was found before the nineteen

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sixty nine Stonewall riots in Manhattan, an uprising that was

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a major milestone in the LGBTQ rights movement. On June ninth,

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twenty twenty two, Pride Media was acquired by Equal Entertainment LLC.

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So when I looked up to see where they because

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this when we get into these individuals that are happening

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in here, a majority of all of this is happening

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right here in California, so it does show that this

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is based. The Advocate is based in Los Angeles, California.

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We see a nice picture here of Hillary Clinton the

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Advocate interview, and of course we know how the Democrats

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seem to perpetuate or want to push rights, which I

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think we should all have rights. It shouldn't be a

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Republican versus Democrat. We are all people on this earth,

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and we are all allowed to live our lives exactly

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the way we want to without any restrictions or stifling

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from anybody else. But I did find it interesting that

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they actually list her interview and her face on the

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cover of the magazine that's found on the Wikipedia site.

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This then goes off to the right from underneath the

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Bear Club ads, the Advocate ads and other underground papers,

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moves off to the right into what one I couldn't

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really make out the top portion of it, but it

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does say other sm deviations, so I'm thinking that has

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to do with other types of sexual fetishes. Then off

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to the right it extends out to what they said

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was the adult and adult homosexuality. So there must be

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two sides here, both adults that do not claim the

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homosexual side and then the adult homosexuality, which then feeds

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into the pedophilia gay community. So this is moving outward

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and then we're going to see this all drop down

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into some very interesting stuff. What I wanted to mention

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as I came up on it, and I'm not sure,

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let's see, Oh, well, because we had the advocate who's

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represented in this particular diagram as being somebody who is

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I'm guessing what they're actually doing is putting out articles

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or maybe some type of messages that allows people to

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figure out and find how to enter these realms of

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child trafficking. At least that's what this particular diagram is implicating.

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So that fed into which we know was a child

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trafficking scheme, especially since I saw Hillary Clinton on the

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front of the magazine leads us to Bill Clinton being

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seen with Jeffrey Epstein. Now it shows is what's that?

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Yes and jas Lane And then of course I found

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an article that I was looking at which this is

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why I was really anticipating that Lindsey would be here,

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is that this one actually mentions somebody that we just

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talked about in the last couple of weeks in her research.

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So basically it says from Reagan to Trump, and this

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is an article in which they're writing in regards to

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connections to Epstein. It includes Rupert Murdoch, Alan Dershowitz, Jeffrey Epstein,

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Donald Trump, and Roy Kahan.

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And Ronald Reagan.

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So Roy Kahan was one of the individuals we were

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talking about in regards to I think that he was

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either the mob's attorney, he was saying, but he was responsible,

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I think for introducing these groups and these people together.

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Either way, they've found some connection between all of these

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people and Jeffrey Epstein. Now we do see that Bill

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Clinton denies visiting Epstein Island, but I'm looking at this

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picture here and they're looking pretty tore back.

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This was definitely not a business. What do you mean

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blue dress? And everybody says it hung at epsteinon island.

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Okay, I don't know anything about the blue dress, but

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it's funny he's wearing a blue shirt in this picture.

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When you said that, I'm like, why do you call

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it a dress?

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But they're both looking pretty tore back.

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I mean obviously Epstein's over here in a yellow sweatshirt.

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His hair is kind of all muffed up. On the

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other end, they both look like they have been partying

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all night long. So I thought that was interesting to say,

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I've never spent time with this person. Well, this does

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not look like a business meeting to me, And that

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takes us into the next level of this particular diagram,

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And of course I put the advocates at it top

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because now that directly feeds.

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Outward and down into the California Male Receiver.

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I'm trying to see. I cannot see what that says.

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Some of this is very blurry, and I wish I

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had a much better version of it. But what I

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can see is that in the top portions that feed

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directly down from the advocate ads, it goes into pedophilia

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and pederasty, child sexuality circle inc. I don't believe I

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really found anything on that one in California, though it

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says California, and then it talks I've got all these

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little circles that are going on here, and it's talking

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about the members feeding into or probably feeding out of,

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So it's pointing out that the members of these organizations

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are involved with this child trafficking ring. There was also

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Hermes of Chicago. They look like a distribution hub also

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a magazine for different types of clothing or I don't know,

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let's see it. I showed it down here, which I

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thought was interesting. This was in the nineteen seventies and

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it was an AD that was ran by Hermes. And

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you can actually see the word playboy right up in

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the number seven. I went.

468
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:36.200
It is.

469
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:43.160
No, no, no no. This was found in the Wetterling files,

470
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.880
the FBI Fuyer files, and so she pulled this up.

471
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:53.640
It looks as though somebody either a snitch, what's a

472
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:58.599
better word for informant, either an informant or a suspect

473
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:01.680
is put this diagram together in order to show how

474
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:06.799
the child trafficking ring is ran. So that moves into

475
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.480
pedophilia and pederazi organized network, so that's what they're calling this,

476
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:17.039
excuse me. And then from the California mail receiver, it

477
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.640
goes down into ads and then down into a mailing

478
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:21.920
list and down into something well we're going to get

479
00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.359
to the BLM here in a second. But I was

480
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:28.160
able to make out European network and then we'll talk

481
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:31.920
about those European networks that are involved. But there was

482
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:36.400
a Renee guy On Society Inc. In California that's listed

483
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:39.119
in here. So I looked up the Ray Guion Society, Inc.

484
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.200
In California and it says the Renee guy On Society

485
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:46.119
was an American organization that advocated sexual relationships with children.

486
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:50.400
Most investigators considered it a one man propaganda operation. It

487
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:55.559
was named after Renee Guyon, a former judge what who

488
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:59.319
served on the Supreme Court of Thailand. That caught my

489
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.599
attention because this is where John Mark Carr responded to

490
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.200
when he left and skated out on his pedophilia charges,

491
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:11.759
he immediately went to Thailand, Malaysia and Thailand. So, who

492
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.440
served on the Supreme Court of Thailand for thirty years

493
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:18.640
and who, apart from traditional judicial work, wrote on sexual

494
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:23.519
ethics in his work The Ethics of Sexual Acts. My

495
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:25.920
mouth isn't even meant to say these words because they're

496
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.279
referring to children and this is just disgusting.

497
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.680
Well, I think it's legal Thailand.

498
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:33.839
I think if you're in fourteen or over, I think

499
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:36.400
that there's prostitutes and stuff.

500
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:38.160
They're in their teens in Thailand.

501
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:41.880
Well, I'm pretty sure that there's young prostitutes here in

502
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:47.079
America as well. I mean, yeah, but it being legal

503
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.680
and being right. And if this judge is on the

504
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:51.880
Supreme Court, I'm sure he could make the laws so

505
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:53.680
he didn't break them. I mean, that's what we've been

506
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.279
talking about, the mob in mafia all along, politicians, you know,

507
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.960
all of these rich people who run monopoly over us

508
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:04.440
all across the United States, because they make those laws

509
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:05.599
so they don't break them.

510
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.559
But that's discussing, and.

511
00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:15.000
It says Hermes became a global logistics operator. So again,

512
00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:20.519
interesting information from these individuals. So then that spills into

513
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:22.839
the Center, which almost looks like the Center to me.

514
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.279
And again it's one of those places I can barely

515
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:28.920
read what's being said. But it says B period, L period,

516
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:32.960
M period and then it says Liberation magazine. That's as

517
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.599
much as I could make out of that. The European

518
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:42.440
network includes French, German a word I can't read, Holland,

519
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:47.559
and Greek. Then it moves from porno shops, from something

520
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:52.759
called FDS author Lone Star, I think it says, moves

521
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:57.599
upward into a California publisher, Surrey House. So they've listed

522
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:00.599
Surrey House in here. Some of the the names that

523
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:05.319
I could actually read from it was DS, Photographer, Photography, Swapper,

524
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:11.119
Arizona Boys, an unknown word, Texas Boys, Farm in Tennessee,

525
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:16.000
Children's newdest Camp in Vermont. Church of the New Revelation, Inc.

526
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.920
Equals sets up boys' homes, camps, and et cetera. The

527
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:24.559
BLM the magazine, so it's basically coming out of BLM

528
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:28.519
into a magazine, and then too the male omatic operations.

529
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:30.880
So I was able to look up Surrey House and

530
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:35.880
the male Matic operations. Surrey House listed this from. This

531
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.559
collection of gay pulp fiction spans five decades nineteen forties

532
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.400
to nineteen eighties and includes the works of several.

533
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:43.279
Prominent gay writers.

534
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:48.920
Among these are James Barr, Quaterfoil, and Phil Andros. The

535
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:54.079
gay weekly publishers represented within the collection included Greenleaf, Phoenix,

536
00:31:54.279 --> 00:32:00.119
Spade Classics, Blue Boy Eros, Gay Parisian Press, Star Distributors,

537
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:04.880
Surrey and Travelers Companions. The bulk of the collection consists

538
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.720
of gay polks. Paperback books printed using wood pulp paper

539
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:13.359
also included and these. This was also out of San Diego, California,

540
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.039
so we've got a couple entities that are working out

541
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:20.119
of Southern California and then the mass mail service provider

542
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:24.839
from Canada, US and International is mail Omatic. Mail Omatic

543
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.480
provides companies and organizations of all North American industry sectors

544
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:35.039
with highly stressful direct marketing solutions and mailing services. Since

545
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.839
our beginnings in nineteen sixty seven, we continue to lead

546
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:41.000
the mailing house service industry with our balanced combination of

547
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:46.960
personalized one on one Very interesting. Does anybody have any

548
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:50.920
comments on any of those those industries? I've just no

549
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:59.480
green I'm sorry, did you say green leads Green think?

550
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:01.200
I did? Hold on?

551
00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.559
Yes, yeah, within the collection.

552
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:10.720
Green Leaf, I think that that's the hospital that is

553
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:15.880
sections of whole bunch of hospitals by Greenleaves. Something that

554
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:18.640
has to do with Dan Page, who was running a

555
00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:22.440
whole bunch of psychiatric hospitals. That has to do with

556
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:28.640
the nineteen eighty eight McDonald's Zodiac Communications and they were

557
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:34.160
this guy, Dan Page was into programming and de programming people,

558
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:38.400
but ran a whole bunch of hospitals basically in the South.

559
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.359
But that's what I'm finding interesting the name green Leaves.

560
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.079
Is there a connection there somewhere? You know?

561
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.240
I feel like i'd of green Leaf as well. I

562
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.680
don't know if I could attribute it to anything.

563
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:56.599
How about you, Nolan, No, no familiarity.

564
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:01.599
Yeah, all right, that's into the next level, which is

565
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:05.839
basically the downward movement of these communications, or should I

566
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:12.039
say ads want ads or solicitations for child trafficking. Again,

567
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:14.039
some of the names that I could pull out of

568
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:23.960
here was miniatures, Ministers should have said ministers, licenses, legal assistants, ALT, incarcerators,

569
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:30.400
Walnut Creek Home, Europe Services, the Reverend Grossman, Youth something

570
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:36.480
or other clients. Eight millimeter motion picture distributors from San Francisco,

571
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:43.039
DK Photography in Washington, LK Pontiac j T Detroit is

572
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:47.400
the boyfriend of somebody I can't make out, just says PM,

573
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:53.320
Wayne State, Big Brothers an and Cranbrook Institute. So that

574
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:57.000
does fall back in line with hospitals as you were indicating,

575
00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:59.920
and we know that psychiatric hospitals were definitely being u

576
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:06.199
is through the MK Ultra program as well as Prisons University.

577
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.760
So I wasn't shocked to see Wayne State in there.

578
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.480
But let's give you a little bit of information. Wayne

579
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:16.199
State University is in where do we find this is Detroit, Michigan,

580
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:25.400
which we know. Yeah, Cranbrook Institute of Science is also

581
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.280
in Michigan, so it seems that this tends to be

582
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.119
a more Michigan side because Wayne State and Cranbrook Institute

583
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.480
are both on the right hand side of this diagram,

584
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:41.519
and it says that Cranbrook Cranbrook Institute of Science. Let's

585
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:47.000
see celebrating Shamrock Science Day with Saint Patrick's Day around

586
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:51.000
the corner of the day is designed to celebrate curiosity,

587
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:54.159
discovery and includes I guess I didn't really pull much

588
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:57.960
up other than I was able to identify Cranbrook Institute

589
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:02.440
and its location, which happened to be in Michigan. Really

590
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:05.079
disgusting that we've got a reverend. I want to say

591
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:07.039
that it says it almost looks like it starts D

592
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:12.159
y G something, but I can make out grossman and

593
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:13.039
it says youth.

594
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:14.519
And then there's another word.

595
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:18.320
Underneath it again that I can't make out. But being

596
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:22.039
responsible for setting up homes and camps and other things

597
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:27.920
as well for young boys. Just disgusting. When I get

598
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.679
into the last level of this particular one, I'm interested

599
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:34.559
in seeing that it actually says where did I.

600
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:35.519
Find that one?

601
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:40.119
In here? Oh, right here in the dead center of

602
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.880
the bottom right hand corner, and it reaches out to

603
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:51.280
about let's see five, about ten other individuals or institutions.

604
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:53.360
But in the center of that it says Charla Boy.

605
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.519
You can make out Charlott Boy like nobody's business all

606
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.480
day long. Now we understand that we've got everything in Charlevoi,

607
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:04.199
which is really kind of the John Benay Ramsay's home.

608
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:08.480
We've got the nuclear power plant picture of Jack Terrence

609
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:11.239
while he's in Michigan. So again this puts things back

610
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:16.960
into Michigan, revolving around much of the same things. I

611
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:21.440
want to say that the Ocean Institute, Inc. Is listed

612
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.280
on here, though there's another word in there, so I

613
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:27.280
wasn't able to look that one up. Rocky Mountain, North Carolina.

614
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.519
Question Mark Smith was the operator of this place. Better

615
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:35.920
Life Monthly is out of Beverly Hills, California. Barry Wright

616
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:38.400
is a known alias, but it doesn't say for who.

617
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:42.519
FBS uses a po box, maybe a fording service out

618
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.920
of San Francisco. So again, now this person is trying

619
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.519
to indicate how they're continuing to move this type of information,

620
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:53.800
but they've listed San Francisco again, and then it says

621
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:57.880
over in parentheses on the bottom of this, so he

622
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.440
must have continued on with this particular cycle of how

623
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:05.119
this information is being fed or solicited to individuals and

624
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.039
members of these organizations on the other side of this,

625
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.039
But I do not have the over or the other

626
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.000
side to be able to determine what that said. And

627
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:14.880
that's kind of where I was going to conclude everything

628
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.719
with Lindsay mcbray. I did have her information on here.

629
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:19.559
You can find her on Rumble.

630
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:20.960
On YouTube, on TikTok.

631
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.559
Her name is real Truth, Real Justice, So if you

632
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:28.719
want to look her up on YouTube or TikTok, it

633
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:32.760
is at real Truth, Real Justice, and on rumble dot

634
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:36.000
com it is just Real Truth, Real Justice. So thank

635
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:38.119
you Lindsay mcbray for bringing all of this to light.

636
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.800
I think this was a very interesting segue in light

637
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:46.079
of Adam Walsh's passing and the involvement of John Walsh

638
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:48.960
with the individuals that we see that are being now

639
00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:53.480
named inside of much of the child trafficking stuff, including

640
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:55.039
with Epstein.

641
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:00.360
Bread.

642
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:04.880
You mentioned them the ultra that reminds me I just

643
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.480
finished my book on the Symbony's Liberation Army and DONALDA.

644
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:12.519
Frieze and mind Control and Patty Hurst and all that. Well,

645
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:15.079
the biggest regulation I've done in that boat too A

646
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.559
thatfree that s l A may have been a c

647
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:21.639
I A MK ultra project to discredit the left wing movement,

648
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:26.400
the Progressor movement in the United States, especially northern California.

649
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:33.519
But also it alleges Patty Hurst had conjurable visits with

650
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:36.840
Donald A. Freeze when he was in Baccaville and when

651
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:38.679
he was the soul of that. So they had a

652
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:40.679
prior relationship before the kidnamp.

653
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:40.760
Me.

654
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:43.000
What crazy?

655
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:48.800
Yeah, wow, they were talking about that. I had to

656
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:49.559
get it out.

657
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:52.719
But de Freeze was in prison and she was visiting

658
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.840
him there, Yes, because he was.

659
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.559
He started out as an informant in LA, a petty

660
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:00.639
criminal informant.

661
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:02.960
Then he finally got sent to prison. He ended up

662
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:03.639
in Backaville.

663
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:07.639
He became a subject of mind control by doctor Colin Westbrook,

664
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:11.000
who ran various organizations at back of both prison and

665
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.559
they all involved mind control. Well, the Freeze is one

666
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.199
of those pet projects. And so the Freeze uh internally

667
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:21.280
became a sixth there at the prison and he uh

668
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:24.840
he got special privileges, one of which was cological visits

669
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:26.280
with with people that want his wife.

670
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:32.519
Well, Manson was in Tachipie as well, correct did TIMEPY.

671
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.079
He also did time in Vacaville too.

672
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.599
Well, Vacaville is tope, No, no, it's not, it's not.

673
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:44.400
No, doesn't that free is down by bigger show?

674
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:49.199
Oh well, okay, my uncle worked at bot My uncle

675
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:54.519
worked at both locations as yeah, as a correctional officer,

676
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.840
ultimately making lieutenant acting captain during his stays at different

677
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:05.440
UH prisons. But he was actively stationed at Vacaville while

678
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.800
Manson was there, and he was his warden basically, if

679
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.119
you will, he was the one that spent most of

680
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:16.480
the time with and watching over Manson. Why would Manson

681
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.679
be given an individual officer to watch over him? That

682
00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:22.039
kind of always boggled me.

683
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:24.719
Yeah, and we're thinking about that too.

684
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:26.840
I used to do parole hearings for people that have

685
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:29.920
committed to life crimes and one of the places I

686
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:33.880
was back about, and so eventually I kept doing it,

687
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.880
eventually represent Manson one of his parole hers, but I

688
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:39.599
ended up they were just too heavy duty to do

689
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.159
and it was and I felt, we're unsafe too, because

690
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.400
they leave you in a room with someone that's committed

691
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.960
or attempted murder, committed her various life crime, and the

692
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:49.159
cops didn't care about me.

693
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:51.679
The guards did not care about me one bit.

694
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:55.159
Right right now, you go in you are bait.

695
00:41:58.320 --> 00:41:59.679
They treated me like a criminal.

696
00:41:59.719 --> 00:41:59.960
I was.

697
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:01.679
Right.

698
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:04.440
Well, that's because they didn't like them and anybody probably

699
00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.079
associating with them, they were going to make up their minds.

700
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:15.280
They didn't like that either, very high school stuff. I

701
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:17.559
see that Lindsay has just joined us. Now at this

702
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:23.079
point we have already concluded the diagram. Uh, what was

703
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:27.960
listing all of the child uh pedophilia or trafficking rings.

704
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.079
Is there anything that you wanted to add about that

705
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:31.079
particular diagram?

706
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:36.039
Lindsay just that people don't really know how big it

707
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:40.400
is and who all is like really involved in and

708
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:45.400
this includes very high officials within government, and like I

709
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.079
think he was just talking about like in the police network,

710
00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:50.079
like it's everywhere.

711
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.599
It's literally like infiltrated everywhere.

712
00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:58.800
Yeah. I have just recently learned of a child pedophilia

713
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:03.679
ring in Californi, in which case a mental health hospital

714
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:06.559
and the law enforcement has been.

715
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.280
Uh stated to be involved.

716
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:15.880
So basically the concern is is that the children are

717
00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:18.719
being brought in by law enforcement, housed at the mental

718
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:22.400
health facility, and then moved to these particular parties where

719
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:26.440
they are then being sexually trafficked by the individuals involved.

720
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:31.559
So I add something to that, that's that's the same

721
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.920
way that they traffic children from CPS as well.

722
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:41.480
I wouldn't doubt it. That's these get them right.

723
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:48.280
There are judges, lawyers, DA's law enforcement that that are

724
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:50.519
ply involved in a lot of the stuff.

725
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:55.360
Oh yeah, sometimes yeah.

726
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:57.920
Yeah, Well they're the ones that have the authority to

727
00:43:58.039 --> 00:43:59.599
take take the children, so.

728
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:04.280
See exactly exactly and travel with them without being questioned.

729
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.199
You know, if the average person tries to kidnap a kid,

730
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:10.000
try to drive them across the state line, I'm sure

731
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:12.800
they're screaming out a window somewhere like somebody save me.

732
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:15.199
In the back of a police car, they're probably scared

733
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:16.639
to death. Yeah.

734
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:19.159
And then even then, even if the child is acting

735
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:24.159
you know, crazy or you know, off or something, then

736
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:26.039
they're still not going to be really questioned.

737
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:28.079
If there, if they're with a police officer.

738
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.599
Oh oh he's fine, he's just he's just having a

739
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:32.880
you know, he's just.

740
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:34.159
Scared or whatever.

741
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.719
Like they can just make up an excuse easily and

742
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:38.920
then get away with it like right away.

743
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:41.360
And I could see most of them probably a little

744
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:44.800
bit even discombobulated about what's occurring, not even realizing where

745
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.360
they may or may not be traveling too, not questioning

746
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:50.280
anything that's you know, happening, just keeping their mouths shut

747
00:44:50.320 --> 00:44:52.840
because maybe they're afraid that they just got busted for

748
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:57.360
prostitution or something that would cause them to kind of

749
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:01.000
just behave until they get to wherever they're going, and

750
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:02.960
not even aware of the fact that they're being taken

751
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.239
to this location and what they're about to be put

752
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:09.599
through either way disgusting. I do know that that particular

753
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.519
cell has been reported to the FBI. I hope that

754
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.599
they are not involved in any way and that they're

755
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.880
going to actively investigate and bust these people, because again,

756
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.840
this is just a disgusting display of adult abuse.

757
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:23.519
Yeah.

758
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:26.920
Well, I think that the FBI in the past was

759
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.800
involved in it, but as we can see now, we

760
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:34.320
have different people within that field now, so I think

761
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:35.719
that they would take charge of it.

762
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:39.360
I would hope so, and hopefully they're the outliers. There's

763
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.000
somebody that would get involved, kind of like the FBI

764
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:45.519
agents working with Dentis on this the only people who

765
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:48.400
have taken notice into actively or at least claim they

766
00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:51.719
were actively investigating the stuff that Dentist was bringing them.

767
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.880
In regards to Jack being the Zodiac, there are good

768
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.320
people out there. I know that Mitsi Roberts out of

769
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.880
the LAPD. She desperately wanted to investigate the information we

770
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:03.599
provided her and she was stifled and shut down. So

771
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:06.480
there are people that will. But when it comes right

772
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:08.679
down to it, if your superior officer tells you no

773
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:10.719
where you're going to be fired, you're probably going to

774
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:13.719
cling to your job. And it doesn't make you it

775
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:18.039
doesn't make you an assistant, in involved or culpable in

776
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:20.400
any way with these crimes that you were literally being

777
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:22.519
ran by the force above you and there's nothing you

778
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:23.280
can do about that.

779
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:25.079
Hmm.

780
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:29.400
That's that's what happened with the John Ramsey case and

781
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:33.400
one of their officers. He was a legitimate officer that

782
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.119
wanted to go the right direction and do the right thing,

783
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.679
and they shut him down every time he read it.

784
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.159
He wrote a book and I just got done with

785
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:42.360
it a couple of months ago.

786
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:43.559
What's his name?

787
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:46.480
I can't think of it at the top of my head,

788
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:49.159
but I will definitely put it in the comments. Not

789
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.519
loose met right, No, uh uh no, he was one

790
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:52.880
of those.

791
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:55.880
So it wasn't the police officer I had.

792
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:59.000
Sy to throw people off. But I don't even think

793
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.400
he knew it himself, Lou, I don't even think. I

794
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.119
think Lou legitimately thought he was doing the right thing.

795
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:06.400
But right, yeah, I think.

796
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:09.559
Other options that they wanted.

797
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:13.400
So you're not You're not talking about the police officer

798
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.639
that the Ramsey sued over creating bad pass. Okay, So why.

799
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:23.760
Why do you think, yes, Sam, he's a good cough

800
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:28.280
because uh I heard him.

801
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.760
I heard him speak on on the topic and he

802
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:34.519
was trying to push for the parents for being culpable

803
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.000
for the crime that they had been cleared for. He

804
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.199
even failed to recognize that they had been cleared from

805
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:43.360
DNA in January, uh, less than a month after John

806
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:45.639
Benny Ramsey's death. So why would you think he was

807
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:47.159
a good cop looking for the truth?

808
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:50.239
I think that because I think the Ramseys are involved,

809
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:51.320
but not physically.

810
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:54.280
Well, I don't think any of these I think these

811
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:56.320
people are being controlled. I think what it is is

812
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:59.039
that they know exactly why somebody has been taken from him.

813
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.599
I know exactly, they know exactly why they're being controlled

814
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:03.679
in what they've done to cause that. But I don't

815
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:06.000
think that they're involved. I don't think that they're culpable.

816
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.039
I just think they're not willing to out these other

817
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:12.199
individuals for fear of their own lives. Yeah.

818
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:17.039
Well, and that's ultimately why he resigned, because he kept,

819
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:21.760
you know, they didn't really wrong in the within his job,

820
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.880
like they wouldn't let him do certain things they would control,

821
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:26.880
like how he wanted to run the investigation.

822
00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.119
Well, yeah, he's trying to blame the parents for something

823
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.599
that they had been cleared from, at least to the

824
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.159
degree of their active participating in the murder.

825
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.599
It brings you to his almost like you're in his shoes.

826
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:46.880
And so he got sued. Yeah, I mean, let's face it,

827
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:49.760
he got sued by Ramseys because of the defamation, and

828
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:53.039
the Ramsey won. So there had to be a certain

829
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:56.920
amount of sensationalism, untruth, mystery thrown in there, things that

830
00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:00.000
he's just you know, wantonly you know, throwing out there

831
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.840
that he could be suited for because there was evidently

832
00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:07.039
an ability for the Ramseys to win in that particular case. Well,

833
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.079
that kind of gives us just our last few seconds

834
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:11.320
here at this point, I want to thank.

835
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:13.199
Nolan and Harriet and Lindsey.

836
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:15.199
Lindsay, if you want to give a shout out to

837
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.559
your u URLs real quick, go ahead and do that.

838
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:26.400
Real Truth, Real Justice is for TikTok and YouTube, and

839
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:31.400
then for Twitter it's Lindsay Nicole, so just past and

840
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.039
then Lendsay Nicoll for Twitter, and then at Son Real Truth,

841
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.679
Real Justice for TikTok and YouTube.

842
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.119
Beautiful. Thank you so much for everything you've brought to

843
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.239
the show, Lindsay, and I'm sure that we will cross

844
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:45.559
the paths again, especially as we get into the John

845
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.599
Benny Ramsey stuff. Thank you Nolan for being here and

846
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:51.599
Harriet for being here. Everybody, have a wonderful weekend and

847
00:49:51.639 --> 00:50:11.079
we will see you next Friday.