April 4, 2025

Jack and Nora Divorce Amidst Criminal Charges

Jack and Nora Divorce Amidst Criminal Charges

Texas murders continue to occur, and while some of them are not attributed to the Zodiac Killer, others appear that he is taking credit for them through future communications. Jack receives a sentence and probation for the 1983 assault on the family....

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Texas murders continue to occur, and while some of them are not attributed to the Zodiac Killer, others appear that he is taking credit for them through future communications. Jack receives a sentence and probation for the 1983 assault on the family. Jack divorces Nora, starts selling guns, and is living in Rio Linda, CA for an unspecified timeframe. Meanwhile, the death of a man that knocked up Jack’s step-daughter still begs whether or not it was a jump to his death???

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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to to the show today. Nolan del Campo,

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Good morning, everybody, Good morning, and Harriet souchet Ye have

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good morning, Good morning.

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I'm actually going to start with you today.

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We talked about a week and a half ago about

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Joan Webster, who was murdered in Boston, Massachusetts, on November

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twenty eighth of nineteen eighty one, and I had put

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in here that I wanted to research this slide in

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regards to the fifty megahertz screech, which I now don't

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even know what my notes were about. I do show

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that there were some letters that were mailed to Cambridge, Massachusetts,

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and I think that I found those in the Foio file,

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and of course they indicated that there was a cipher

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in those particular communications. And you know which ones I'm

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talking about, right, Harriet.

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Yeah, and I have to locate that cipher. I worked

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on that one a while ago.

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Oh okay, so we're going to talk about a different

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a different cipher today then, right.

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In regards to Joan Webster, it's if.

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I remember correctly, you were asking me to do something

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or see if I can finish solving something, and I

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kept on finding the Santa Claus card. So and then

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everybody and their grandmother says it has something to do

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with Joan Webster. So yeah, I guess we'll take it

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from there. Okay, work on it.

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Well, I didn't actually pull up a copy of that

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particular postcard, but we know that postcards are definitely within

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the zodiacs realm. He was phenomenal for our infamous I

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guess if you will, for sending out postcards like the

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Lancaster and Palmdale postcard.

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In regards to.

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JFK and the thirteenth Victim postcard. We saw postcards back

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in the Black Dahl Yea. It seemed to be a

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running theme in the communications, so I would not discount that,

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and it would be interesting to see that particulular communication.

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Do you know whether it was handwritten or if it

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was tied. How was that one posed? Oh, you know,

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it was hand hand written. And the card itself, the

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Santa Claus postcard was in a it was a window

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envelope stationary thing, and then it and it had Yeah,

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then it had four stamps on it. Once I saw that,

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because when I saw it initially, I said, I'm not

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going to get anything out of this. Who keeps on

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thinking that this is from the zodiac and they must

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have killed Joan.

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So anyways, then I saw the four stamps. Three of

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them had the killer, which is a line only set

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of the postmark. Then I took it from there because

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I did get a lot. I get a lot, oh,

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just identifying everything about the stamps. Yeah, I'd identify everything

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about the four stamps. And then there was a couple

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of these mysterious versions of Joan Webster because they were

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saying it had something to do with Joan Webster because

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of a name or a couple of names on the envelope.

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And once I because yeah, there was a couple of

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parts partial reactions. If I remember, right, and then it

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just flowed from there and it looks like Jack was

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trying to bypass Reagan again. He does alike Reagan, and

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he's asking Jimmy Carter for some help in regards of

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what basically they know that they have some information as

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to what happened to Joan Webster and that he was

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fearing at the end of the Saul that's saying, I'm

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fearing that she lost her life off the creek, the

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Chewbacca Creek. I try to remember the name of the creek.

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And then.

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There's a U shape the fight ways use safe fee

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for the Santa Claus with a dot in it. If

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you turn turn it a little bit, it fits the

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exact location in off of the creek where they found

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her remains in the nineties. Oh really has information?

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Go ahead, Nolan, Do you have a little more background

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on Johan Webster, what her job was and you know.

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Any wealthy family, wealthy Yeah, well, yeah, wealthy family, and

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her father worked for International Telephone and Telegraph. And when

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you look into that, we'd be here for about a

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week trying to describe all of what they were involved

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with aerospace. They could even do phone numbers for the

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White House. So some of this solve came out with

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reducted phone numbers, the prefixes for the White House. So

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and your father was So it was an interesting solve,

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and it looks like they had information and they're saying

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that it was Robert Abel and Jack was trying to

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relay this information through Carter, through a series of people.

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You know, just I fear that she's lost her life.

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But when I saw the Robert Abel esque of it,

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all of how they found her remains and that she

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was legend and that she was off to the side

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of the creek, it's very gross. I looked for the

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picture of the suspect and there is a picture and

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it looks like Robert Abel. Really composite. Yeah, it looks

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because he looks like the composite in a circle nineteen

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eighty with the beard and black hair, et cetera. Hype everything.

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Wow you this Yeah.

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Like me to read it and you can tell us

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what it means.

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Oh, go for it, all right.

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So it says mister Carter six thirty thirty facsimile. So

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you're saying that six thirty and thirty seconds PM facsimile?

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Is that what that's saying Woodland Drive and in the morning.

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O in the am SO fac simile Woodland Drive planes

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Georgia three one seven eight zero. So that's where the

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facsimile was sent to.

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Yeah. Yeah, he's trying to get information out about who

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killed her.

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And it says four five six Press Mitchell photograph Harold

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Genen Itt Webster father. So Harold genen Is is the father. Well,

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so what's the press Mitchell photograph?

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Oh? Ben Mitchell was a press photographer. He did fairly

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for his Santa Claus. But it looks like you might

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have taken a few pictures they had to do with

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the Republican Party in the New York area. I think.

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So he was a philographer. He was a famous gotcha.

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And it says Harold Jenen Itt Webster father George RNC

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nineteen seventy two, United States, prominent Americans. What does that mean?

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So George is her father, not Harold jean in right.

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Yeah, Harold jenen is the top guy in international telephone

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and telegraph.

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Oh that's where you go.

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Yep, there will be a candle, all right.

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So Harold jenen is obviously you're saying he's the head

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of Itt and Webster's father George Republican National Committee nineteen

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seventy two, United States Prominent America kins r E four

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five six.

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What is that?

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That's re elect And then the prefix of four five

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six is the for the White House and it's the

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redacted phone number. So it's re elect to Nixon committee creep.

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So creepy.

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Yeah, the committee to re Elect President Nixon.

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Re elect President Nixon.

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Creep Ah.

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All right, guys, so it says Nixon won eleven sixty eight,

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and it goes back to give that redacted phone number

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again with the prefix of four five six, which you

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said was a white House prefix.

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Yeah, yeah, So these trying to not give out the

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White House numbers in this code. But Jimmy Carter was right.

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Vice President ag New four hundred brand what does that mean?

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No, vice President Agnew And then they did something with

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four hundred grand that was apparently suspected to be a

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no no, so they had to take that back. But

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this is all involving the International Telephone and telegraph people.

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They tried to do a big donation, but they had

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to work it out retract it. And so he's bringing

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up he's recapping about those events that leads up to

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knowing something about Joan Webster. What happened to you is right?

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So it goes on to say, you remember eleven twenty

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seventy eight, still alive, Pope John Paul the second ab

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New York City, New York see Washington stamps printed by

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Bureau of Printing Engraving perforation eleven millimeter use business rep Elope.

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Yeah, the prisins play envelope. Yeah, where we're where his

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mother is being used as the post office in Texas.

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So he's trying to recap and remind harder what had

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happened recently. So he's just doing a good job about

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recapping and code. Gotcha.

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And then it goes on to say, save me to

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tell the truth.

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New Jersey eleven three eighty five, Joan met So you're

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saying that Johan Webster is from originally from New Jersey.

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Yeah, that's her zip code. Yeah, her following.

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Gotten because this was showing that it was Boston, Massachusetts.

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How's that play in?

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Oh, she apparently for the had visited for the holidays

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like round Thanksgiving and then was going back to her

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college or her university Massachusetts and saying that she met

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up and had a connection to Rubbert Abele bad connection.

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So yeah, Jon met Shitty Moonquest Texas killer fucker Abel

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ten forty seven thirty seven what does that mean?

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That was all the numbers I had left after I

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was finishing with the words, and many people said that

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they saw her after ten pm, even after ten thirty pm.

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So I said, well, forty seven, yeah, it's the time.

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Seven, Yeah, thirty seven We're seen kissing with Robert in

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bus station window. So she was seen kissing Robert Abel.

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That's what it is saying that she was seen kissing him.

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And I think somehow Jack was there or his crew

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was there, that they were witnessing this and trying to

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flagger down. There's witnesses that said that. People said that

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they didn't want her to get into this vehicle with

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this guy. Long story, so looks like it.

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Window and I drive eleven twenty eight eighty one out

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to Chewbacco Road, mass So, Massachusetts. So it is now

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indicating that so and I drive. Okay, so I saw

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with Robert inbus station window and I drive eleven twenty

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eight what's what's eleven twenty eighth eighty one, that's when

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she died. I'll teach Chebacco ch E b a Cco Road,

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Chebacco Road, Massachusetts.

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Damn you say her, Damn my fear of the co ed.

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The pretty co ed has lost her life there.

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And that, yes, that is the completion of it. So worry,

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pretty girl. Co ed lost life Creek Area seven seven

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seven seven, No one is the sign off correct.

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Yeah, he's doing a lot of angel numbers at that

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time period. It was like every time I see some

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subsequent numbers that are left, I look him up and

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if it's four of seven four or three four fours,

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it all means something. So he's trying to convey that

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he's got spiritual help, that he's got some guidance, and

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he's got support, and he's working.

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I want to say that in nineteen eighties, wasn't that

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when he got baptized quit drinking.

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That's what I'm That's what I'm hearing. The rumor is.

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All I know is he's this is now one time

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period where he's working and he's with the Holy See,

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which is shocking, but doing doing intel of work for them.

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When when does his post When was his postcard purportedly

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sent after obviously Jim Webster past right? I mean because

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it's discussing that she's already lost her life.

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I think it was reportedly early January nineteen eighty two,

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very early.

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Okay, so shortly after that, all right, and I know

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that he I want to say that it's eighty three

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that he goes to work for Hewlett Packard because he

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doesn't come back to California and reunite with Nora and

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the family until I want to say, well, and we

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know that they're separated during nineteen eighty two because he's

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in Texas with his mom at this point on a

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separation from Nora. So yeah, I would have to be

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like eighty three is when he probably started his work

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for Hewlett Packard. Okay, Well that was a very interesting soul.

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Thank you. Anything else that I wanted to add to that, Well,

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I just want to thank you for I ended up.

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I kept on stumbling on that damn postcard for something

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else that you requested. So I said, well, it's this

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is something to look at, so it's indirectly has something

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to do with what you requested. So I said, well,

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I worked on Joe Webster too. Well yeah, so anyway, so.

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Dan, yeah, loan, behold, she's in this presentation. Albeit I

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was under the impression it was something maybe the Zodiac

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had done. But it looks like now what you're saying

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is is that that was the act of Robert Abel.

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Once again, how many murders do you think that Robert

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Abel committed?

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It could be dozens upon dozens. He even admitted that

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he killed some and you know, butchered them in the

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early early seventies, especially around seventy one. And he admitted

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he was troubled, so he had the how did arrested?

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Definitely not arrested. He was one of the top five

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NASA people that got us to the moon through the rockets,

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so he has all kinds of dark secrets in his head.

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And you know, how was he going to get therapy

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for that to help him when he's at the time

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a national security risk. So they just didn't know what

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to do with them. I think it's terrible. It sounds awful.

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So and he knew he was troubled.

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We've seen troubled and bad people get away with things

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because they need them, They use them their you know.

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Benefit to the higher power, I guess if you will.

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So that's not a strange thing to see people get

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away with crimes that they otherwise wouldn't get away with

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because they literally are either an informant or you know,

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necessary to whatever.

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Cause they have going on.

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I know that last weekend Lindsay mcbray had mentioned after

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the show that that connection, obviously we keep running back

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into NASA, especially with Robert Abel. But she had indicated

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that obviously there's our tie in because NASA then to

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Lockey Lockey to John Benny Ramsey, which is going to

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be coming up here soon or John Ramsey. Should I say,

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not John Benay, but her father, John Ramsey, who in

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turn was you know, selling his computer software too lockeed

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before all of this went down with John Benny Ramsey.

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So she wanted to remind us that that connection still

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kind of sits and fits quite nicely. So onto our

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next slide, Doer's.

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Real Quick, Real Quick JPL Jeff Polsman Laborator is also

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highly intertwined with NASA. They're one of their primary contractors,

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and everybody, all the higher ups in NASA and all

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the astronauts are all Freemasons, and Jack Person's form JPL

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was a higher up and freemakes it as well as

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a disciple of Elisir Crowley, Oh Dearess Malasons are all

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tied up and a lot of those stuff.

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So maybe that's where they keep coming up with this

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cult idea or concept that's kind of surrounding everything.

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Yeah, perhaps I know.

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That I try to steer away from that.

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Yeah, they may be tenuous, but they're there, right.

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And I know that I had always promised myself in

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the middle of this investigation, and you know, examining these letters,

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that I was going to steer clear of the cult aspect.

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I was going to steer clear of the child aspect.

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And it seems like I can't steer clear of it

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because everything just keeps climbing right back down those holes

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one way or another.

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Yes, can ignore the obvious sometimes.

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Or at least I shouldn't, all right, So our next

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Sivee Doers believes. January nineteen eighty three, Jack is said

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to begin a lengthy career with hughle Packard in Rosewelt, California,

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as a sergeant on the security team contracted through Pinkerton Security.

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This is the first real job Jack has had for

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quite some time. Like I literally could not map out

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a legitimate job for Jack for years at least since

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nineteen sixty eight. It was either you know, South Lake

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Tahoe Linen Company, it was gas stations, tow truck driver,

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like for somebody as intelligent who had literally designed a

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water waste removal treatment machine for nuclear power with General

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Electric in San Jose to have then only held such

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menial jobs like a tow truck driver or you know,

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what have you. This is the first real job that

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we see back. And of course it's contract security, which

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that always takes me back to CIA individuals who are

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hired based on contracts for security purposes, which usually kind

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of time out at some point. It's not like it's

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a permanent position with the company. You're on a contract

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through another company. Does anybody know anything about Pinkerton Security?

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They've been around forever. They started out government related detectives

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that they fought. They they had to shootout with the

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with the people in West Virginia over the unionizing of

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the minors. And then also they were involved in the

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hunt for some outlaws of the Dalton Gang and different

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different outlaws and in different areas of Minnesota and other

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areas like that. So they're kind of a contract agents.

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Were like the FBI about a pre FBI actually, and

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they've been around since eighteen hundreds.

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Point out too the thing Caesar, who a lot of

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people think shot Robert Kennedy was a contract uh security

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guard as well.

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You know I remember when right Harriet.

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And he do as a security guard who did d

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in season the main security guard the closest to Robert F.

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Kenney the night he was murdered.

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Wow.

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And he's also affiliated with monsters in Vegas and with

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a lot of Howard Hughes's people.

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Of course, what did I even question what security was like?

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Gosh, and that was ever Jack. That's just right up

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his alley to be have that type of position. So

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it was more than just being a you know, a

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night watchman. There's more than that, and a lot of

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these other meningial jobs. And the menial is the perfect

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word I think covers too, just to throw people off track.

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Well, yeah, and you're not necessarily needed at any given time.

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You can take off on whatever you need to do

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and not be missed.

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And it's all about location with these menial positions.

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Right right close to the freeway as he can get

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on and go. Did you have anything to add to

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that Pinkerton stuff?

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There, Harriet, Well, all I know is in the upcoming

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in nineteen ninety. There was video that was released several

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years ago on the security guard that was at where

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they were staging the the murder murder, the robbery of

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the of the Isabella Stuart Garden Museums. And I believe

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that their computer systems were Hewlett Packard. And when I

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saw the guy in the video, it looked like Jack

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and wearing a security guard uniform. They never they never

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really released information on that person. It was twenty five

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years later. But add to it that it was almost

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like he's getting in practice for that stage caper.

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Gotcha well, And I want to remind everybody too that

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a lot of the I forty five and the Texas

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murders that were occurring, there was indications that eye witnesses

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had seen people that looked seeing the suspect who appeared

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to be in some type of a uniform, like a

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security guard uniform or something like that, which I thought

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that was extremely interesting because it ties into that same

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timeframe in which Jack is, you know, actively working as

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a security guard. Thus he would have the access to

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the uniforms. He's constantly making trips back and forth to

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Texas for his mother, especially from eighty three to I

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want to I think she passed in ninety seven, ninety.

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No, maybe that was normal, something like that was in

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the nineties. Yeah, right.

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Well, and also when I first started this case and

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Dennis had told me what Jack had had been doing

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for work, he stated that he was a security guard

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for Hewlett Packard, and of course, you know, finding out

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that it was contract security afterwards was through his his

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probation records, because he obviously had gotten that assault with

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the deadly weapon which we're just about to talk about here,

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and and still was able to get this job as

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a security guard for Hewlett Packard. So I just remember

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at the time my mentor saying to me that, oh, no,

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a lowly security guard could never be the Zodiac. He's

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not intelligent enough. Well he did not know obviously, well,

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or maybe he did know. And the reason why he

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was trying to deter me and you know, put me

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throw me off off track was in fact that Jack was.

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So much more than just a security guard.

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That might have been what he was doing at the

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time that Dennis, you know, remembered everything that was going

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on with his mom and up to the point that

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his mom died. But that wasn't all that Jack was, clearly,

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and we've we've been able to sort that out and

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show who Jack was through all of his own paperwork.

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That brings us to our next murder in Texas on

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January fifteenth and nineteen eighty three. And again, remember we're

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still not sure about the absolute time frame in which

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Jack shows back up, but we're about to show here

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in nineteen eighty three at least where we can show

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that he's back in California. But on January fifteenth and

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nineteen eighty three, we had a seventy year old Lee

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Leslie and a fifty seven year old Raymond Mitchell murdered

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at the twenty seven thousand block of Dry Creek and Magnolia, Texas.

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Both men had been known to meet other men in

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the Houston area and welcome them to visit in Magnolia,

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Lee in the closet of the northeast bedroom and Mitchell

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in the closet of the southeast bedroom. Both had been

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beaten and stabbed to death. Lee's maroon nineteen seventy eight

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Pontiac was missed scene, and the car was then found

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on February eighth of nineteen eighty three and the nineteen

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hundred block of Indian Street in Houston. So here we

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have another, you know, set of unsolved murders. We have

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a vehicle that is taken and has subsequently found some

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distance away from the actual crime scene, which again we've

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talked about this happening in a lot of these cases.

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January twentieth of nineteen eighty three, the FBI receives word

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from a psychic that the Atlanta, Georgia murders are related

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to the recent Tampa, Florida murders. Again I'm not I'm

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not sure what the Tampa, Florida murders are, but they

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actually did the FBI did find that the Florida murders

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had occurred. So i'd put in here it is important

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because in a few months, just in a couple months

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from here, we're going to actually see letters that are

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written to Jacksonville, Florida, that are in the FOYA files

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from the FBI in regards to the Zodiac cases. On

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February twenty first of nineteen eighty three, twenty eight year

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old Teresa Brignoni is killed in South Lake Shore Drive, Conro, Texas.

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She left Laporte, Texas, and departed for Conrod at about

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nine to fifteen pm. She was last seen driving her

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nineteen eighty one Dots in two hundred XS SX Honor.

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About February twenty seventh of nineteen eighty three, the MCSO

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began receiving calls about an abandoned vehicle at the end

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of South Lake Shore Drive in the McRae Lakes subdivision

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off of FM fourteen eighty four in Conroe, MSc SOO

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deputies subsequently checked the car, discovered that it belonged to Brignoni,

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and found Brignoni's dead body in the trunk, and autopsy

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revealed that she had been suffocated. There was no evidence

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of sexual assault or robbery, so this would be an

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interesting one to check into and find out exactly.

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I mean, it sounds to.

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Me that what you were saying about Robert abel and

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his murders is that he was sexually deviant with these

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girls as well.

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Correct.

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Yeah, I don't think that, well, yes, yes and no,

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but then he would go crazy and chop off their hands,

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look them up, do really bad, really bad things, So

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it's probably I gotta tell you, it sounds like it

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could be the work of him, because he was right

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in that area. He worked on property at League City,

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or at least he did, you know, the the nessa

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horseman able, you know, the property in that area, So

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anything right now is possible.

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Well, I get interested in their murders when it's when

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it says there's no sexual assault or robbery, you know,

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I mean, what would be the purpose of killing somebody

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if there was nothing that you could achieve from them?

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Janice Joplin, it could if she's saying Janice Joplin tunes,

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I mean, it seems that that was something that set

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them off, So that could be possible. Knowledge of Dannis Joplin,

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Avenger Flori Okay, you gotcha.

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Zobia murder, there was no sex involved, and know what

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robbery involved?

466
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:12.319
Just killing right right?

467
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:15.240
And that's when I zero in, probably more so in

468
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.720
any of the unsolved murders that we talk about. It's

469
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.240
almost as if you can take a look at them

470
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.079
and some of these and going in no, probably not,

471
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.799
and then others that you go, well, this probably should

472
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.200
be looked at. Who was she, who was her parents,

473
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:31.440
who was she affiliated with? What was she doing for work?

474
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:31.960
You know?

475
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.799
Why why was she suffocated? I mean, it seems like

476
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:38.960
that's a that's a we don't want you to talk.

477
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.400
Type thing, you know, I mean, h.

478
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:43.480
All right.

479
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:46.480
That brings us to our next murder in Texas, which

480
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:50.640
happened on March seventeenth, nineteen eighty three. Laura Marie Purchase

481
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.880
on League Line Road, Conroe, Texas at approximately three am

482
00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:01.000
and MCSO patrol deputy observed the fire earning just inside

483
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.599
the woods along the northbound service road of I forty

484
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.000
five at League Line Road. The dead body of an

485
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:09.200
unidentified white female was found within the fire, which had

486
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.759
recently been set, and autopsy determined that she had died

487
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:17.000
from strangulation and the fire sat within the accelerant OH.

488
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:21.200
She died from strangulation and the fire OH was set

489
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:26.519
with an accelerant. Self professed serial killer Henry Lee Lucas

490
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.559
subsequently confessed to the crime along with several others in

491
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:30.559
Montgomery County.

492
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:31.640
In nineteen eighty.

493
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:35.000
Three, Lucas had confessed to approximately six hundred murders, with

494
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.799
about two hundred cleared across the United States in nineteen

495
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:42.519
eighty six. The victim was later positively identified as Laura

496
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:46.440
Marie Purchase after her fingerprints were match Purchase was last

497
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.759
known to have been in Houston, Texas on March fifth. Now, Houston,

498
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.839
Texas is definitely where we know that is the general

499
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.839
area that Jack's mother is in at this point. On

500
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.440
March fifth, nineteen eighty three, she was living with a

501
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:02.079
man named Howard or Howie, who played in a band

502
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:05.960
called Malibu. Lucas died in prison in two thousand and one.

503
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.279
After his death, sentence was commuted to life. Lucas had

504
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:11.799
recanted his confessions and it is believed he is not

505
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:15.599
responsible for most of the crimes he'd confessed to. Recent

506
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.960
DNA testing of semen from Purchase's body has been conducted

507
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:23.039
by MCSO cold case detectives, eliminating Lucas from the DNA

508
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.319
Bingo Bango Boingo. I've been waiting for one of these

509
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:27.319
top pop up.

510
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:37.440
When Lucas confessed, did they stop investigating? Who really did? It?

511
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:42.640
Is fact the documentary that I saw the Texas Rangers

512
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:46.960
were feeding him with information allowing them to close. Like

513
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:50.039
it says up here two hundred. They attempted to clear

514
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.000
two hundred murders across the United States on Henry Lee

515
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:55.599
Lucas alone, and most of them were found to be

516
00:32:57.359 --> 00:32:59.799
that he wasn't even he couldn't possibly have even a

517
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:02.079
bet there to commit those crimes. He was just being

518
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.000
forced bent that information by the Texas Rangers who were

519
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:08.839
attempting to clear the books of a bunch of unsolved murders. Now,

520
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.240
why would they care to do this? Why would they

521
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:14.839
care to close out other murders across the United States

522
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:17.880
that have no bearing on their jurisdiction or their their

523
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.039
state or otherwise unless they were doing it for a group,

524
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.880
doing it to clear these murders off the books.

525
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:28.240
Yeah, that's the opposite of what a law enforcement officer

526
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:29.920
should be doing, right.

527
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:36.000
And in that documentary, it turned out that an attorney

528
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.519
of one of the cases that was looking to be

529
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:43.960
cleared by Henry Lee Lucas's admitting to having killed he

530
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:47.319
found out that Henry Lee Lucas couldn't possibly have even

531
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:50.160
been in that area. And when he tried to express this,

532
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:54.240
not only was he attacked by law enforcement, but the IRS.

533
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:57.480
They had i RS agents running around to other attorneys

534
00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.599
in town of this particular DA trying to get them

535
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.319
to flip on him and say that he had done

536
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.920
something you know, unethical and moral, illegal, whatever it was,

537
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.119
and basically ran this man through the ringer just because

538
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:11.679
he was trying to show and prove that Henry Lucas

539
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.800
was not responsible for the murder in his jurisdiction. So

540
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.199
you tell me how skinny you got to get in

541
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.760
order to keep this quiet hush hush, that you're gonna

542
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.760
literally sick the I R s on somebody in order

543
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:28.360
to try and achieve your agenda of successfully closing these cases.

544
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:31.239
Right, and go after the one guy who's still trying

545
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:32.639
to find out the truth.

546
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:33.519
Right.

547
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.119
Yes, to me, it's like politics all over again.

548
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:37.719
You know.

549
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:42.960
The one hundred and two sides.

550
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:44.360
Around the Clintons is all in order obviously to keep

551
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:48.639
everything hush hush. And then they are also were reportedly

552
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:51.960
phenomenal for using the I R s as their watchdogs, right,

553
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:56.320
you know, so very very crazy either way, here he

554
00:34:56.480 --> 00:35:01.320
is Lucas is actually confessed to a crime he didn't commit,

555
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.280
and years later the DNA.

556
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:04.760
Shows that it wasn't possibly him.

557
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.599
Now that does tell us, though, that this victim was

558
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.039
sexually assaulted. So again, this may be right up the

559
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.199
road of Robert Abel as you were saying, Harriet, rather

560
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.960
than it being Jack and Zodiac nineteen seventy nine sex

561
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:24.000
industry victim and witness against organized crime, Tammy Vincent as

562
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:27.599
was also set on fire with an accelerant. So we

563
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:32.639
are seeing some commonalities there. And of course we know

564
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:35.000
that the Zodiac did say that he had he had

565
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:38.920
used fire in some of his mos so it doesn't

566
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:43.199
necessarily I think that he was likely responsible for Tammy Vincent,

567
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:44.519
don't you, Harriet.

568
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:51.679
Just I'm just listening. But yeah, by fire, by rope,

569
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:56.679
by gun, by knife, right, I mean, he may have

570
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:01.719
just a ton of information on this stuff, you know, right, right, right, right.

571
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.239
Oh, So Tammy Vincent, I think was the one from

572
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:10.880
Washington that was in witness protection in California in seventy nine.

573
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.320
So she was in the sex industry, and she was

574
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.800
a victim and a witness against organized crime, and she

575
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.920
comes up dead in this particular fashion or manner that

576
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:24.599
we see occurs here with Laura Marie Purchase April eighteenth

577
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:26.960
of nineteen eighty three. Now, this one, I want to

578
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.880
say is likely not been committed by the Zodiac. The

579
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:33.039
two thousand and five finale letter indicates that he did

580
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.800
not have anything to do with killing Hispanics or Chinese,

581
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:40.400
simply just the women with brown hair that looked like her,

582
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.159
as we would call it. I believe that was out

583
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:45.679
of the Sherry Joe Bates confession letter. But there was

584
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:47.960
definitely a type. And if you follow many of the

585
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:51.039
females in the procession of these murders, you will see

586
00:36:51.039 --> 00:36:53.800
that there's definitely a type. And again that helps us

587
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:58.519
to show that there's a possibility that Jack or the

588
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:03.239
Zodiac was responsible for those murders. This particular murder on

589
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:06.639
April eighteenth, and nineteen eighty three, sixteen year old Laura

590
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:12.079
gene donnez FM one forty nine, seven miles north of Montgomery, Texas.

591
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.519
At approximately one pm, an oil field worker observed the

592
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:16.440
fire burning in.

593
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:18.280
A wooded area near a logging.

594
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.599
Road, approximately four hundred yards west of FM one forty nine.

595
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.800
The dead body of an unidentified white female was found

596
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.760
in the fire, and MCSO deputies recalled the fire had

597
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:30.719
been set with what appeared to be a road flare.

598
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:33.360
In an autopsy, root field that she had been strangled.

599
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.679
So now this ema was just as identical pretty much

600
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:40.280
to that of Laura Murray Purchase. So we've got strangulation

601
00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:45.400
and we've got set on fire. The fire had been

602
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.760
set with what appeared to be a road flare, and

603
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.519
an autopsy revealed that she had been strangled. The victim

604
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:54.360
was soon identified as Donnez, sixteen years of age, who

605
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:56.679
had last been seen walking away from a residence in

606
00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:59.639
the thirty five hundred block of Raymond Street.

607
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:00.559
Houston, ten Axis.

608
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:03.480
Donna is reportedly left to by a Hamburger at a

609
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:07.360
nearby restaurant. Now call me silly, but I'm not thinking

610
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:09.880
that Donnez is a white last name.

611
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:14.559
No, I think it's mechto right.

612
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:19.239
And she doesn't look yeah, yeah, yeah, she looks Hispanic.

613
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.519
So when it says white female, now we can see

614
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.159
how sometimes this information is, you know, produced in a

615
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:32.159
manner that isn't exactly completely true. But since we do

616
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:34.559
see and and in that same letter, the two thousand

617
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:38.000
and five finale letter, not only does the suspect take

618
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:42.039
credit for many crimes, including the Zodiac stuff, he indicates

619
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:43.840
that he knows that there are other people that are

620
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.559
committing murders in the Texas area. Don't blame him for them,

621
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:50.480
but there is somebody else that's killing people too, And

622
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:53.400
he is not the one that's responsible for the Hispanics

623
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.639
in the Chinese or however he puts it in that

624
00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:00.280
particular communication. But that communication also goes on to speak

625
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.400
about Robert Abel not being the blue devil that the

626
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.679
fuzz is looking for. So it's interesting to note that

627
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.719
while he is talking about murders that he knows of,

628
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:13.960
including Laura Miller, which is Tim Miller's daughter, we're going

629
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.079
to see that here in this next year, but that

630
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:20.760
he's quite like the Zodiac, don't blame me for this

631
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:24.199
because I'm not doing this, but I have done this,

632
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:27.599
and you're not looking for this person for this. So

633
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:32.360
he's giving that inside information and probably knows who these

634
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.840
other murderers are that are operating at the same time

635
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.760
he is. He calls it in the eighties series, so

636
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.519
you know he's not the only person killing girls in

637
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:46.079
the eighties series. May thirteenth of nineteen eighty three says

638
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:48.880
fifteen to twenty two years of age, I guess was

639
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:52.039
an estimated age of an unidentified white female at the

640
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.679
seventy six truck stop on a Highway fifty nine at

641
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:59.199
FM fourteen eighty five, New Katie, Texas at approximately seven

642
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:04.199
thirty five am. MCSO deputies responded to a wooded area

643
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.920
behind the seventy six truck stop where school children had

644
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.840
found the decomposing body of an unidentified white female. The

645
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:13.360
location of the body was positioned in the area where

646
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.920
tractor trailers normally parked, and autopsy revealed that she had

647
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.599
been killed by two blows to the head, which resulted

648
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:21.400
in skull fractures.

649
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:22.679
The victim was.

650
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:26.760
Yeah, I copying a paste with a lot of this information.

651
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:29.320
So this is somebody else's, you know, typing, and I'm

652
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:31.800
as I'm reading it. I'm just trying to do it straight,

653
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:37.679
like mcso, it's not oh, it should have been the

654
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:45.000
capital letter O. Autopsy revealed that she had been killed

655
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:47.400
by two blows the head. The victim was described as

656
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:50.159
fall It was fifteen to twenty years of age, fifty

657
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:54.960
nine inches in length. She was wearing shades Designer blue jeans,

658
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:58.239
a tan Wrangler long sleeved ten o'clock T shirt, and

659
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:03.639
white panties. Recently, mcso, see there it is again. MCS

660
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:09.079
cold case detective submitted potential DNA from victims remains to

661
00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:13.440
be entered into the Missing Unidentified Person's DNA database. Today,

662
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:17.760
insufficient DNA has been obtained in order to enter a

663
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:21.639
profile into codis for this particular unidentified white female, so

664
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:28.920
she will likely continue to be unidentified. July eighteenth of

665
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:33.119
nineteen eighty three. Here is one of the Jacksonville, Florida letters.

666
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.320
I do not have a copy of this letter. I'm

667
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.039
not sure if you have seen this one, Harriet, but

668
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:44.039
it says I know your and it's postmark Kalama Zoo.

669
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:48.559
Oh so it's a postmark Kalamazoo, Michigan four nine zero,

670
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:50.519
But it doesn't give the rest of the ZIP code.

671
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.000
But it was sent to Jacksonville, Florida, and it was

672
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:56.239
a one page hand printed letter. Appears as though it

673
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:59.039
is written in all capital letters based on the FBI

674
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:02.400
foy A cable. And then I wrote in here as

675
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:05.840
a note, remember Oakland County child burners ended just a

676
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.360
few years back, and now there is purportedly a cereal

677
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:11.280
spree in Florida. And of course we have that psychic

678
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:13.480
that we just talked about that was making a connection

679
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.840
between the Atlanta murders and the current murders in in Florida.

680
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.719
Have you seen this particular communication or heard of it,

681
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:23.599
the one that went to Jacksonville, Florida.

682
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:27.800
No, but I could take a look at it, but

683
00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:31.000
off the top of my head, it may have something

684
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:35.920
to do with the yakuza and the missing missing children,

685
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:42.960
some of them that became other people. And uh let's see, Oh,

686
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:47.800
the Finder's cult also, so there would be probably that

687
00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:53.760
he's giving information maybe on that. Yeah, I was, I

688
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:54.360
guess that's.

689
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:58.239
Huh and of course.

690
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:05.199
Go ahead, keep going. Sorry, no, no, I was going

691
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.119
to say that there was a yukuza guy that was

692
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:13.519
living in Florida. I'm trying to remember his name, but

693
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:17.320
it's showing up in the National Center Missing and Exploited

694
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:23.280
Children databases for the for the Milk carton Kids.

695
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:24.000
Yakuza.

696
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:28.840
Oh it's and they hate this. So my apologies to

697
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:33.679
the Yukuza, which is an organized cribe Japanese style. They're

698
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:37.239
considered to be like the Japanese mafiya. They don't like

699
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.320
to be called that, but they are just.

700
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:48.800
There there, trained killers with weapons and martial arts and

701
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:49.360
things like that.

702
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:54.119
Yeah, and uh so they are very very much along

703
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:59.400
the the description of what you would see about the mafia,

704
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:03.800
the bobs or is the gangsters. So they traffic and

705
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:08.880
people traffic in drugs, traffic and I think even ort.

706
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.800
So anyways, it was a.

707
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:17.639
Great Robert mitchm film from the seventies called The Yakuza,

708
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.920
and it takes place in Japan, and it's really if

709
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:22.760
you're interested, gotcha.

710
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:28.800
I just finished watching the Siicario movies.

711
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.480
Well I'm watching the first one now, but I've watched

712
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:35.000
the second one first, and they had indicated that human

713
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:40.760
trafficking was far more lucrative because you don't have to plant, propagate,

714
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.280
process or do anything like you have to with drugs,

715
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:49.039
and that one trip of people was more profitable than

716
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:53.519
a kilo of cocaine. So at a certain point over

717
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:57.519
to human trafficking was obviously making them far more money

718
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:01.519
than hustling in the drugs and having to you know, grow,

719
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:05.400
process and package, distribute and all of the other things.

720
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:09.199
So that makes that extremely interesting. But it seems like

721
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:12.679
human trafficking is pretty much in just about every culture.

722
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:18.280
There's somebody that is, you know, taking advantage. It is

723
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:20.719
completely and most of us don't even think about this

724
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:22.800
on a daily basis. I mean, I probably could have

725
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:26.719
gone through life without ever even thinking twice about human trafficking.

726
00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:29.519
You very rarely ever hear anything about it.

727
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.960
It's not like there's a lot of propaganda telling people

728
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:34.519
to keep an eye out or report, you know, suspicious

729
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:40.519
activity or any of this stuff. Right, well, and I

730
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:41.239
did read this.

731
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:45.639
Ah well, I did.

732
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:47.920
I had this out of order, so evidently I read

733
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:51.719
this last week. This is where the Jack has come

734
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.360
back home. He is supposed to be at work, but

735
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:58.679
Dennis's mom calls Hewlett Packard and they say, nope, he's

736
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.679
been gone. He left early today. He gets home and

737
00:46:02.800 --> 00:46:07.800
tells Dennis's mom that she or that he had worked overtime,

738
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:10.639
which was not consistent with what she had already known

739
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.400
because she had called in to Hewlett Packard. And thus

740
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:18.519
Jack went absolutely berserk and attempted to assault the family members,

741
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.440
I believe with a hammer. Let's see her mom talked

742
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.280
to the bus, ran into the kitchen. We were making sure.

743
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:31.639
Jack flung the hot water towards us, and then let's see,

744
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.760
rip the screen out of the window, helped his sister out.

745
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.840
He came in with a gun. Evidently he was gonna

746
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:41.320
Dennis believed that had he been in there, that he

747
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:43.960
would have or had they been in the room when

748
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.440
Jack came in, that he would have shot them. But

749
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:49.039
basically a few hours later, Jack was arrested in charge

750
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:51.639
with assault with a deadly weapon and eventually Jack was

751
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.840
able to have the charges reduced to a misdemeanor. How

752
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.360
do you how do you try to kill somebody and

753
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.800
get that reduced to a misdemeanor Nolan Good.

754
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:12.320
Lawyer, thirty four filies and not do any turn.

755
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.

756
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.960
I mean, honestly, it seems like, you know, a little

757
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:20.760
smack on the hand.

758
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:22.039
They're a little smacky smack.

759
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.360
This is actually where I showed everybody that he had

760
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:30.480
bonded out under Torrents, which is again not something you

761
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:31.519
would typically see.

762
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:33.840
The bond needs.

763
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.440
To match the identification card in order for you to

764
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:38.920
be released. So if he was released on this bond

765
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:40.880
and it was not typed up correctly and had the

766
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:43.440
wrong name, and then the assertion is is that Jack

767
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:47.760
had an identification or something to that effect that allowed

768
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:50.800
him to be released based on this name. And this

769
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:54.480
would also support why we did not find any information

770
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.559
when the private investigators ran background checks on Jack and

771
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.920
didn't find any criminal activity because does not come up

772
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:07.800
underneath Jack's information at all. Let's see August nineteenth of

773
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:11.920
nineteen eighty three, Elizabeth Shoemate, Joanne Brown and fran Ivy

774
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:16.960
are killed at the sixteen thousand and seven Memorial in Texas.

775
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:19.840
All three were shot in the head. They attempted to

776
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:22.760
tying up a victim with a cord from Venetian blinds.

777
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:26.360
And then, of course Monday August twenty second. So I'm

778
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:28.719
thinking personally that these three. I don't know if you

779
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:31.239
have any information on these three. This may very well

780
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:34.880
be another one of Robert Abeles's doings in your belief, Harriet,

781
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:39.000
because this happens on August nineteenth of nineteen eighty three,

782
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:42.079
and on Monday, August twenty second, nineteen eighty three. Jack

783
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:44.960
is being released on bonds, so he was likely already

784
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:47.440
in jail when those particular murders happened.

785
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:54.320
That a picture we're actually like, Jack looks like what true?

786
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:56.320
The author of Truelan Cavoni.

787
00:48:56.960 --> 00:49:04.920
Oh you know what brought me is those mobster looking glasses.

788
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.440
You know you know what I mean? Like once you see.

789
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:14.599
Wrote the book called it Killed Cold Blood about some

790
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:16.559
murders that happened in the Midwest.

791
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:22.679
Huh, just interesting there, Yeah, it was some big old glasses.

792
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.760
Though it reminds me of something I saw off the Irishman.

793
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:30.320
So anyway, So Jack is said to have been given

794
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.960
thirty days, but knowing the system, he got out on

795
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:35.719
good behavior, and of course we do see that he's

796
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:40.000
handling a few things for I don't know if they

797
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:44.400
gave him time when they when they convicted him and

798
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.559
gave him a sentence. Is it is it common that

799
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:50.719
sometimes they will allow time for you to clear up

800
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.000
any personal things that you need to do before turning

801
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:55.199
yourself in to go to jail.

802
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.719
Nolan, Yeah, that happens. It depends on the gravity of

803
00:49:58.719 --> 00:49:59.159
the current.

804
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.280
Okay, so it said he was given sixty days, but

805
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.440
I believe that in this he'd only done thirty days,

806
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:08.440
based on at least the information that we're going to

807
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:11.639
go through and talk about. I actually thought we were

808
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:15.039
going to get into this particular very graphic pictures. But

809
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:16.920
I think I'm going to hold up because it is

810
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:19.519
ten fifty and we have actually ran out of time.

811
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:22.039
So I'm thanking you guys for being here. Everybody, have

812
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:25.119
a wonderful weekend, and we will see you next Friday.

813
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:26.400
Sorry to cut you all off.

814
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:27.000
Bye.