Handwriting Compilation P, Q, R and S

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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Road Jack Finding the Zodac with Ninette
Bartel. I am looking at the alphabet

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today in reference to making an identification
on the handwriting. Of course, we've

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already matched that handwriting from the Zodiac
case to Jack Terrence. But here we

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are now looking at all the different
crime scene notes that I have actually examined

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over the years and putting them together
because they are all involved in some sort

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of an unsolved serial killing spree.
Last week we ended with the PAS,

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which I felt like I kind of
rushed through, So I am going to

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actually take a step back this week
and thoroughly go over that letter P once

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again. I'm going to go ahead
and go full screen at this point so

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that you guys can see this nice
and large. The letter P in this

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particular presentation is both lowercase and uppercase
pas, which I did not explain last

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week. So I'm going to show
you the differences between those, and then

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at least go a little more thorough
over what I found in the other communications.

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To begin with, everybody, if
you've just now caught on or just

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now watching for the first time,
I'm going to give you some earmarkers here.

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These red and blue stars actually indicate
communications that were actually written by the

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Zodiac Killer. These have been long
since attributed to the Zodiac and identified as

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the Zodiac's handwriting by former document examiners
of the Department of Justice and the FBI.

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So with that, we know that
we can take for granted that all

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of these different constructions of the letter
PS are what we might see maybe even

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in other communications. As we're going
to talk about the blue the blue insignias

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like the circles and the slants are
all related to Jack Terrence. So that

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means if you see anything below Jack
Terrence's name, which JW up here in

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nineteen forty five to two thousand and
five, if you see anything below that

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line of PS, these are all
the communications from Cereal killing sprees that are

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unsolved. Now, if you see
a blue circle around one of those ps,

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that means that there is a correlation
to a P in Jack's actual handwriting.

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So, for instance, this particular
P here in Elizabeth Short has this

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double stem which is slightly a loop, but angular and pointed at the bottom.

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That is something that I actually found
in Jack's handwriting. We can see

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it up here again, the double
stem, point, angular point at the

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bottom rather than being rounded like loop. Again, over here to the right,

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we can see it once again,
double stem and point at the bottom.

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Now, if it is circled in
red, then that means that it

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has been found within another communication of
a crime spree. So as you cross

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reference and you look at, say
the particular form and style of this particular

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P that has the bowl of the
P that actually hooks back and crosses over

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the actual stem to the left,
we've seen that in several communications, such

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as Tom Voyd's communications. We've seen
it in the Oakland County child murder communications.

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I would have thought this would have
been one that we would have seen

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a lot less because it is a
natural source of Jack's handwriting. As we

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can see up here, he does
this continually with his own handwriting. We

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can see here where that bowl of
the P actually crosses back over the top

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of the stem to the left there
as it enters from the left. So

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and as you go through you can
see several different peas throughout that actually have

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that crossing point. The red arrows
now point out specific identifiers or characteristics about

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the handwriting. As such, this
arrow here to the left of Jack's P

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actually shows a hook at the at
the beginning stroke of the P of the

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bowl at the top of the round, and of course it is quite a

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bit distanced to the left of the
actual stem. As we were just discussing

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now, the one on the top
here actually is pointing to this nice big

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gap between the stem and the bowl
of the P. So technically speaking,

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this stem should actually run all the
way up to the top of this bowl

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and plant itself so that it is
a complete and full stem of the P.

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But we do see this nice gap
that occurs here. We can see

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it right here in this P of
Jack's. We can also see a gap

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here. There's a gap in this
P and several other pas. As you

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go down the line so the bottom
one, this bottom arrow right here,

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and this bottom arrow and obviously this
one. So three in we have shown

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where the end of the bowl actually
crosses over the stem to the left of

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the stem, and we can see
the placement at which that is actually crossing,

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which leaves just a little tiny bit
of the stems protruding above that exit

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stroke. So when I looked at
the other pas that we just talked about

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that we found in those connections,
we find that the exit stroke, albeit

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it is slanted downward instead of coming
straight out, but it is just a

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small little portion that crosses over the
stem in the lipstick killing case, and

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we do see that gap between the
stem and the upper portion of the bowl,

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and that runs true with the Oakland
County child murders. We see here

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that curvature at the beginning of the
stroke of the PA of the bowl of

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the PA as we discussed in Jack's
We also see that nice big gap between

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the stem and the bowl itself where
it should have actually closed up the backside

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right there. And then we also
see that that extra stroke happens at approximately

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the same level as it does in
Jack's handwriting, leaving a tiny bit of

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the stem sticking up right there.
Now, when I got down into tom

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voights, we also saw the exact
same setup. We see the top of

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the bowl that is actually started far
to the left of the stem. As

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it swoops around and curves under and
exits, it crosses the stem itself.

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We see the nice big gap above
the actual stem of the P. And

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we see that cross point again where
the bowl of the PA is crossing with

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the stem of the P is exactly
what we see in Jack's handwriting. So

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again we see just another great relation
to Tom Boyd's handwriting, which was identified

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as Jack Terrence's handwriting by his biological
son. Going further into Jack's pas,

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we actually see angular peas that are
pointed upwards, so we have this pointed

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instead of rounded bowl of the P
again still crossing over to the left here

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in a small gap right there between
the stem and the top portion. Now,

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the bowl of the P actually slants
quite a bit upward in this particular

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P. And I have actually mapped
out all of these slants from one to

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the next, and this one right
here on the red PA, you can

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see this blue line that goes through
It shows the angle in which that actual

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bull is sloping upward, and I've
copied and pasted that to other peas down

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the line, just to show that
there are similar slants that are occurring.

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So let's see where we finish that
one off at Maybe I didn't lay that

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one down, that's okay. You
will see that upward movement of the slant

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of the bull as we go through. I also marked the slant of the

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actual stem of the P and the
angle in which it leans, because it

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does tend to have a right word
lean. In fact, he also has

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a very hard right word lean,
as we'll see that occurs in the communications,

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which is similar between one communication and
the next. So keeping on with

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that, we do have some well
structured pas that look a little more copybook.

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They do tend to still have that
rightward slant that we just discussed.

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And then we have what I refer
to. And now, of course,

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the capital pas run from this first
P under jack name all the way to

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this one that is in brown.
Now this is a lowercase P, so

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everything up to that point is a
capital P, and we'll be comparing those

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two capital ps. This particular P
was pointed out because it's what I referred

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to as the short STEMP, where
the bowl of the actual P is larger

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more than half the size of the
actual stem itself, leaving just a little

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tiny tail of the stem out the
bottom of the P. And we're going

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to see that as well. It
is the least obviously used, although we

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do see several of the ps that
have short stems throughout Jack's writing, he

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does tend to use that structure.
And then in the lowercase PS we actually

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see what I refer to as the
long stem P. So it's quite the

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opposite. In what we would expect
to be the smaller of the PS,

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we would expect the shorter stem,
but in Jack's world he actually uses a

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longer stem. And how I note
that is based on the size of the

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actual bowl of the P right there. How many times can I fit that

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bowl into this stem that is protruding
from the bottom, And by the looks

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of it, I could do probably
about two and a half of these bowls

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if I were to map them out
down the pe stem itself, so that

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makes it quite a long piece stem. Going over, we notated these angular

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ones that have this angle on the
top portion of the PA, which we

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can see a little bit better right
here in this pe we also have the

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p that we talked about already with
the double stem and the pointed loop at

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the bottom, and then of course
the more angular pas that we will be

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talking about throughout the handwriting, and
we can see more of them right here.

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It's basically looking more like a triangle
than it is a circle. And

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to continue on down, we can
see that he does employ the same kind

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of structure in his lowercase ps that
he does in his uppercase, and that's

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where the stem does not reach all
the way to the top of the bowl.

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And we do see that the entrance
stroke is drawn from the left side

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of where the stem will plant as
it comes around and touches back. We

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also talked about last week in this
particular curvature in the stem right here that

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kind of curves off to the left, and in doing so, it kind

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of makes this little wave off the
back side of the pea, which is

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very consistent. And I also noted
that when he does his double stroke or

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his double stroke yes double stroke stem
pas, that he tends to leave a

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little flag out the top, so
he starts well above where the bowl of

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the pea is going to be,
and you see this protruding stem at the

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top. Here. Now getting down
into the lipstick killing case, we did

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make a match as we'd already discussed
with this one with the other peas that

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cross over through the stem to the
left hand side. Very consistent. We

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do see the peas that have that
high raised or inclined bowl that is more

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angular. Both of these peas actually
share that as we discussed over here in

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Jack's Now Elizabeth Short did show the
use of the P that we talked about

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where the bull protrudes to the left
of the stem, and we see that

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that is consistent with what we saw
in the lipstick killing case. And then

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we got into some more what I
referred to as that more copybook or more

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perfect attempt at the piece making the
letter P. And we can see that

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we are also finding what I refer
to as those short stemps where the bull

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is actually bigger than the stem itself. And as I go through on Elizabeth

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Short, there were several several that
were in there. We did find in

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Elizabeth Short also the P with the
double stroke where the loop of the tail

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of the P is actually angular,
and we were able to find that actually

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in several places I founded in the
Deer draft Board letter, and the Dear

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Draftboard letter also has that uptick or
that stem that sticks above the top of

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the bowl as we discussed in Jack's
handwriting. So now we have at least

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two characteristics withinside this letter P on
the Dear Draftboard note that is consistent with

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one of Jack's p's. We did
also note that in the Dear Draftboard letter

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we had this overinflated balloon style P, which is something that we saw in

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Sherry Joe Bates. I thought that
was rather interesting since they were so close

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in the timeframe, and that Sherry
Joe Bates has been attributed to the Zodiac

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Killer by many many people, including
law enforcement at one point in time.

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So while they might be trying to
bifurcate those cases today, literally back in

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the day, they had done everything
they could, even meeting with multiple jurisdictions

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to determine that, yes, Sherry
Joe Bates was likely killed by the Zodiac

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Killer. And since we saw that
the Zodiac Killer took credit for Riverside activity,

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one would assume that yes, he
was responsible for Sherry Joe Bates as

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well. So this overinflated balloon P
is consistent between Dear Draftboard Letter and nighteen

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sixty eight and the Sherry Joe Bates
letter in nineteen sixty six. Also in

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the Deer Draftboard letters, we see
the angular pe bowl that we were talking

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about in Jack's handwriting, and we
see how it is pushed upward in or

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it actually inclines upward. Just as
we were discussing back over in the Lipstick

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Killing case, I did skip over. It looks like a couple The Dear

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the Sorry Mary letter actually had more
of the short stemps that we were talking

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about from Jack's handwriting, and some
of these are just pretty much identical in

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shape and form, size and everything
else with what we saw in Jack's The

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current Werewolf Killer. Now I'm not
quite sure why it is that I circled

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that one, but maybe because it
is a short Okay, short stemps are

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all being circled throughout, so we
do see some that actually have quite a

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good length on them in here.
But then we did see this P that

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popped up from the current letter where
the stem was definitely smaller. The protruding

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stem at the bottom of the P
was smaller than the actual bowl section of

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the P. In the Oswald letter. I found one capital letter P,

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and of course that P is similar
in shape to what we're seeing. I

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should have marked that one up here. We see in Jack's right here is

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very consistent with the letter P and
Oswald. And then we saw what I

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referred to as the long STEMP with
the tiny little bowls, and that of

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course is similar as we were discussing
earlier about Jack's back over to the zodiac

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Killer, We're going to see several
of these habits that I've discussed or talked

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about, including this particular P here
was actually found up in Jack's handwriting as

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well. We see that form in
that shape the stem, not quite making

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it all the way to the top, but there is a tiny little gap

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in there, and we do see
the swing back of the top of that

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bowl to the left of the stem. As we go further in, we

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find the angular or the pointed bowl
stems that we talked about. We also

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see the short piece stem, and
then we see for the first time in

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the zodiac this curvature in the stem
that actually goes back towards the left,

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and it creates, like I said, that little flare on the outside there.

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Going further in, we continue to
see more of the similar shapes and

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styles of peas that we have from
Jack. Again, there's that one with

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the curvature to the left, making
that little tiny open point or triangular section

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off the back of the pea that
is consistent with Jack, and then we

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see more of these more angular or
triangle shaped peas as we go through That

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continues on through many of these zodiac
writings. We can see that happening over

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and over again. Slant is definitely
consistent within these letter pas. As we

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see with pretty much all of the
ones that we've talked about so far.

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The slant of the right word or
right word moving ps are similar to Jack's

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in the Elizabeth Short writing, in
the Sorry Mary letter, in the Oswald

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letter, in the Sherry Joe Bates
Zodiac Killer, it looks like dear draftboard

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was a little more upright, but
we do know that Jack has the ability

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to write straight up and down.
It's the more right word ones, especially

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the severe right right ones like we
see right here with this angular bowl and

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the way that it actually slants to
the right is as much more severe as

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you can tell when compared to this
blue slant that I mapped out for Jack

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up here. Some would allude to
the fact that that letter falling over is

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literally the individual or the author falling
over, and that could be attributed to

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a manic state or to drug use, because they're literally falling over and their

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lines are crossing, their brain is
crossing. Things are happening there. See,

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the Fairfield letters showed the same style
of p as we found already up

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here in the in the Zodiac letters, which is consistent with the fact that

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they have found these letters to be
from the same author. We do find

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pas that are similar to Jack's,
and of course the actual style in shape

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of some of these are consistent with
the Oswald letter. The DC Freeway phantom

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actually has the double stroke stem as
well that moves itself down into a point.

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Of course, it is not open
or viewably open, but we can

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tell that they end obviously in a
point at the bottom, so there is

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no roundedness there and there's no openness
to that p. However, the slants

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are consistent, and I did find
other structures within other crime communications that were

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similar to these. Let me see
if I can point some of those out

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well. For instance, over here
in that the Atlanta, Georgia we find

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that this P is very similar to
the p's we found in the Fairfield letter.

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These particular ps here we're consistent with
let's see who we found those?

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Oh goodness, Well, we know
that the stem is protruding, so we

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do have a double stem because we
can see that little high point that sticks

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out from the top of the bowl
that is consistent. We found that that

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was consistent with a Jack P,
which would be Oh, I think that

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is the angular notion at the top
that we were seeing up here in this

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particular bowl, which is found in
several of the letter ps throughout dB Cooper.

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We do find again that secondary stem. Now this P in dB Cooper

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is very similar to the Citizen P, where the stem is separated slightly from

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or the second stroke of the stem
is slightly separated and protruding. We see

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other ps that are definitely similar with
Jack's that we've already discussed. We see

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the short STEMP again and we see
this rather curved P that we were talking

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about down in Atlanta, Georgia.
And I did map that one out in

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a couple of John Benny Ramsey.
I think, yes, I believe I

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saw that in also in the scorpion
we have the long STEMP, which we

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talked about. Now this is one
of the one of well, actually a

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second, because we saw it in
the Oswald letter. But in the dB

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Cooper we saw what was consistent with
the Dear Marco letter from the Zodiac,

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which is that long drawn out stem
stroke of the letter P. And of

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course again that stem is twice at
least twice as long as the bull itself.

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We also found that the slant was
consistent with Jack slant, and we

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found that the P shape in itself
was also consistent with Jack and the Albany.

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Oh, there's that's the one we
were looking for. So the nineteen

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seventy three Albany letter. I actually
found that the letterps were consistent with the

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letterps in the Atlanta George jaw So
that would tell me that this thought of

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disguise that we're seeing is very consistent
with the stem that is sticking upward,

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the peble that is not connected back
to the stem at the bottom, so

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that that disguise is actually running throughout
the crime crimes notes, which would indicate

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that this person's attempt to disguise as
writing was used in more than one note.

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The slant in the SLA is similar. Now, of course, we

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see in the Citizen letter once again
that very very steep rightward slant of the

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letter P, which is consistent with
what we saw back in the Zodiac writing,

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which again confirms what they've already found
that these p's were written by the

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same person who wrote the Zodiac killer
ps. Now, of course we're seeing

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that double stem, we're seeing the
protruding top that we've already talked about in

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Jack's handwriting. Moving over into the
Channel nine newsletter again we find that very

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angular P which was found in the
Zodiac's hand writing, so again conforms that

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Channel nine letter was written by the
Zodiac. And we see more of those

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small p's with the angular bulls,
and the slant is definitely consistent. Here

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are some more with some angles.
We did find this uptick stroke and I

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believe we saw this on the letter
eyes and the letter L in this particular

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handwriting examination, so it doesn't surprise
to see doesn't surprise me to see it

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on another stem stroke in other places
in the Red Phantom letter, we did

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see again the long STEMP that we
talked about that occurred over in the dB

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Cooper case. We also found the
short stemps and more long stemps, and

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of course their shapes are consistent with
what we see happening in Jack's writing.

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Moving on to the Oakland County child
killer, we already talked or discussed this

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particular letter P, which was a
capital P, and now we see the

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lowercase letter PS. And what I'm
getting from this, obviously with the far

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left slant to a right word slant, is that the person is again attempting

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to manipulate their slant, thinking that's
going to prevent detection of the author.

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Herb Kane had a nice right word
slant that is consistent with Jack. And

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we can see that the long stem
pas once again with the tiny little bull

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is consistent the Herb Kane. Same
thing. There we've got again long stem

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pas with the shapes consistent with Jack. Atlanta, Georgia also had short stem

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pas as well. The Sacramento letter. The Sacramental letter was more consistent,

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I believe with THEE it was in
nineteen eighty six, but the nineteen ninety

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one Scorpion letters to John Walsh had
consistent peas between those, and I found

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that all of those pas in reality
were consistent with John Benet Ramsey and the

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Veuinovich letter in two thousand and one. Now, I didn't have a lot

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to comment on in the anthrax other
than we do see one short stems P.

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This one. This one arguably could
be also a short stem P.

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Wish I had better versions of these
letters because they just tend to pixelate as

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I bring them up. But we
can definitely see that those stems are are

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approximately the same size as the width
of the bull, or even shorter.

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Obviously, this bull is much larger
than the stem that is left at the

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bottom there. One of the things
that I skipped over up here in dB

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Cooper was the backwards writing of letters, and this was one of the ps

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and one of the communications that was
written backwards by dB Cooper, which we

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know was a ploy of the Zodiac
Killer. He absolutely wrote some of his

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letters backwards, and the ciphers and
stuff like that. And then in the

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Grimes case, which is why I
brought that up, we see that there's

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again a P that is written backwards, and we also find that one of

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the ps on two by four or
that piece of wood is a short stem

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P once again where the bull is
larger than the actual stem itself. Tom

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voight. We see these style ps
throughout the handwriting in these communications. It

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is also a mat to Jack.
We also have the ones with the curvature

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in the stem right there that reaches
that curves backwards to the left as it

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moves upward. Many of the references
that I've already made where the stem does

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not come up to the top of
the PA, as we see up here

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in Jack's writing, are very similar
the Tim Miller letter. I found lots

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of short stem pas, as this
one is indicated here, very very short

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stem. We do find at least
one P that has a rightward slant,

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and we can look at we can't
take a look at the Miller pas and

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see that the author was attempting to
try and make them as perfect without any

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of his idiosyncrasies that he has in
his own handwriting, except for in this

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place here where we did find the
double stem P where the stem is separated

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from the bowl and does protrude out
to the left there a little bit,

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And that again leads us right back
to some of Jack's and it looks like

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the Citizen letter. In the Bruce
Ivans pas, we found very small bowls

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on the ps, very long stems. But one thing that stuck out to

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me was the severely rightward slanted P
that we found in the Scorpion letters,

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in the Citizen letter, in the
Zodiac Killers letters. So again there's a

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cross reference there to the severe slant
that we're seeing in those letters, which

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this should then finally conclude the letter
P for us. The letter Q was

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one of my favorites. Um just
from the get I could not say enough

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about this particular letter because everything from
shape, form, construction, size,

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relation, everything in this particular letter
was consistent between the Zodiac and Jack Terrence.

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Now I have pulled out there,
there's not a lot of cues for

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us to look at. Interestingly enough, it's just not a highly used letter

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of the alphabet in writing. But
I did find it a lot in Jack's

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writing, and I did find it
in Tom Boyd's, in the dB Cooper

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writing, and in the Zodiac Killer. Albeit the Zodiac Killer's capital QUE was

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very much attempt at a copybook que, which is almost completely perfect. So

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again there isn't really any signs of
habits that are in there. But when

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we moved into the dB Cooper I
wasn't shocked. Let's say that I was

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fighting some habits. So we find
this buckling that's happening right here on this

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left hand side, where it looks
like these starting and stopping points of this

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particular queue is happening over here to
the left, and I point that out

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because that's exactly where Jack starts.
I mean, basically at that I'm going

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to call it about that ten eleven
o'clock hour. Right there, we see

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that buckling that's occurring on the left
side of the top of the queue,

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and that's consistent with all of his
letter ques, with the exception of this

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last one here. Now keep in
mind that these two right here are just

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a copy of each other, so
that I could point out different facts without

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blocking the view of the actual letter. Same with Tom Voight. This is

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all one letter Q that I have
reproduced three times in order to make those

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same claims. Now, one of
the things that I wanted to show was

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this very long exit stroke of the
cross of the bottom of that comes out

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of the bottom of the que And
of course we have just a tiny bit

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that's on the inside of the queue, and we have a very elongated portion

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that sticks out from the bottom of
that que. It happens in a couple

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of Jacks, but that is consistent
with what we're seeing in Tom Void's que.

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Also, I found that the slant
of the bar of that actual que

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in at least two of Jack's slants
were consistent with the slant and the directional

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flow of the actual crossbar in the
Zodiac Killer. And then when I got

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into the Q, that actually is
a tear drop shape, which we talked

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about that in the letter OS.
So obviously making a Q is quite like

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making an O. So we see
this or tear drop type form, and

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we see that occurring in tom voids. Now, when I laid the cross

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bar slant down over that particular crossbar
on the queue, it actually lines up

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with the crossbar within I would say, a millimeter or so within the slant

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of tom voids. Also noting that
that tear drop shape obviously allowed for an

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angularity in the queue instead of being
completely rounded. And we can see the

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way those slants work them their selves
out across that letter Q, and how

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that is similar with what's going on
with tom voids. Now even more of

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a tell tale. This was my
favorite, obviously, and the Zodiac was

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the lowercase Q, and that is
because every time I found a lowercase que

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with the zodiac killer, with the
exception of this one right here, I

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found that it looked more like a
number eight. So we have the bowl

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shape here, and then he moves
back down around and he moves counterclockwise with

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the tail of the actual que,
and he wraps back up around, almost

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as if of making a a figure
eight. And that's exactly what I found

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in Jack's handwriting. So that,
to me was probably one of the biggest

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identifiers of this case, another one
of those smoking guns, if you will,

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because the letter Q obviously is definitely
one of those letters that can be

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created in so many different ways,
and I've seen them created in so many

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different ways. However, I've never
seen this particular construction in handwriting in over

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fifteen years, so that for it
to be something I have not seen in

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over fifteen years in any case that
I've handled, is kind of an attribute

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to how specifically identifying it is or
individualistic it is for an individual to have

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written it like this. And of
course we see a couple different types here.

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We have these ones that have the
flattened bowls, and then we have

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ones that have these rounded bowls,
and of course, we can see that

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there is definitely the rounded bowl section
that's occurring, and Jack also so has

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that flattened bowl that we were just
talking about. Of course, this is

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just a bit different of a tail
than we were seeing. However, I'm

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not finding that that is much of
a difference, because really all he did

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was stopped short when he wrapped that
tail back around. Had he brought that

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all the way up to the top
of the bowl of the que, we

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would have seen something more like these
figure eights that we're finding here. Looking

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at the actual shape of the bowl
of the particular que that is not a

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figure eight, I find that that
is definitely consistent with Jack's shape and size,

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and the flatness of it, and
the open portion up here at the

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top where it does not close back
together. Now the only difference is and

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now the slant is definitely very similar
with that tail slanting to the left.

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We see that the tail on this
one actually when it came back up,

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it stopped short and crossed over very
low, not actually leaving a loop or

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an openness. But I did find
that at the point that it crossed was

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very similar to the level which these
ques by Jack were actually crossed. Now

408
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:14.640
I did. Fine, let's see
that. Oh go back, Okay,

409
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:19.599
So that is Jack's letter Q over
the top of the finale letter Q Channel

410
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:23.839
nine Q. Actually instead of bringing
that bottom portion of the Q back he

411
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.799
went to the right. But again
Channel nine News is definitely related to the

412
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.319
zodiac and written by the same author. So I do find that that is

413
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:38.039
obviously a consistency with the shape of
the actual bull. Is consistent with the

414
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:43.599
shape of the bull of the finale
letter, which is also similar to the

415
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:49.640
shape of the bull in Jack's.
Now in Kern they wrote it basically just

416
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.720
straight with a straight tail, which
kind of looks like a letter P if

417
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.920
you flipped it around. But that
is the letter Q from Kern, and

418
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.799
we found that the finale letter also
used a straight stem. And then in

419
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:06.519
that backwards letter P and Cooper we
see that we have another similarity at least

420
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.160
in the ratio of the bowl of
the actual P and how much of that

421
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:15.559
stem is left hanging over in the
current letter JBR, John ben Ay Ramsey

422
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:19.599
and the occk case. Both of
them had letter qs, and both of

423
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:24.559
them had the figure eight style.
Once again we can see there with the

424
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:29.400
John Benny Ramsey. So again that's
probably another one of the reasons, aside

425
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:35.599
from Jack's letter M. I found
it very very convincing and compelling that this

426
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:38.920
letter Q in the John Beny Ramsey
note was also done in this figure eight

427
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:45.839
fashion where it all touches back and
looks like a number eight the occ K.

428
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:51.039
I found that the shape of the
bottom of the actual loop is actually

429
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:57.880
considerably consistent. While it's a little
bit wider. We do see the angularity

430
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.640
at the bottom portion of the tail, and then we actually see as you

431
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:07.239
move back up to the right that
there's another angular section right here's just halfway

432
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:13.039
up that stem as it moves itself
backwards and into the actual bowl, and

433
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:19.199
we see that angularity that's occurring both
here in Jack's and also in the zodiacs

434
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:25.679
before it makes that turn back the
letter R. Now the letter R has

435
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:34.079
there were so many consistencies with the
letter RS in these communications, and some

436
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:38.079
of them may be something like this
bull of the top of the R that

437
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:43.199
is actually hunched over the buckle,
and the buckle is the point where the

438
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:47.119
bull actually comes back to the stem
and then exits itself out into the right

439
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:52.039
leg of the R. So it
looks like he's kind of melted and falling

440
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:57.679
over sideways onto its own leg.
And that's something that I consistently found in

441
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.039
many of the I see notes.
Let's see if we can find one.

442
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:05.920
Right here in dB Cooper, we
can see where that particular bowl has melted

443
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:09.639
itself back over the top of the
leg. Right here in the Oakland County

444
00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:14.880
Child Murder. Once again, we
can see where that bowl has again melted

445
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:19.239
itself right word over on top.
We see it in Voinovich, we see

446
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.760
it in right here in Tom Voit. Now it's not as severe as some

447
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.480
of the other ones that we see, but we can see how it almost

448
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:30.400
looks like the r is beginning to
fold itself in half. So we have

449
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:36.440
this hunched over or leaned right word
bowl that is actually leaning down on top

450
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.559
of that leg. And see if
we can find that in some other places.

451
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:45.199
Here, yep, right here in
the dB Cooper once again, which

452
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.000
we already just talked about, over
to the right in dB Cooper, but

453
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:52.079
we can see again where that bowl
has melted itself down over the top of

454
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:55.239
that leg. Further, we do
have a buckle that has a loop in

455
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.400
it. In Jack's writing we can
see it in a couple different places.

456
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:02.000
I did find at least one into
the Land of Georgia that had that loop.

457
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:07.000
It is not something that is It's
a little more rare in Jack's handwriting,

458
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:08.840
which might explain why I only found
at one time in all of the

459
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:15.000
communications, but it was worth at
least noting. I also noted the slant

460
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:20.800
of the actual legs of the R, where the left leg tends to be

461
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:22.800
a little bit higher and the right
leg a little bit lower, And we

462
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:27.519
see that happen in a couple times, but then we always we also see

463
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:31.199
this upward trend where the left leg
is lower and the right leg is higher.

464
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.840
Either way, he's not bringing those
legs completely back down to the baseline

465
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.559
evenly, and we were able to
show that in many of the letter rs

466
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:45.440
as we go through them. So
he does have the construction and the capital

467
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:50.880
letter R where he does the straight
stem stroke and then the second stroke actually

468
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:54.800
includes not only the bull but the
buckle and the actual right leg of the

469
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:59.599
letter R. As we get further
into him, we start to see a

470
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:05.440
single stroke construction where he does not
pick the pen up and execute a secondary

471
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:09.320
stroke, but we do see that
secondary stem stroke that is protruding or sticking

472
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:13.440
up to the left hand side here
in that letter R, so we'll keep

473
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.719
an eye out for that. Further
on down the line, I found these

474
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:24.239
ones that had almost this umbrella or
arcade style leg. So some of these

475
00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:30.159
actually are concaved as he exits out
for that right leg, and then some

476
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.960
are arcaded, and we see that
occurring. But one of the things I

477
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.400
pointed out was this particular I call
it the droopy leg. So instead of

478
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:44.039
actually exiting with some type of a
slant to the right where it moves right

479
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.960
word, it actually moves straight down
after it comes off of the actual bull

480
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:52.360
of the p And again here's one
of those melted bulls again that we were

481
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.599
talking about. But we can see
how this leg here and this are also

482
00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:00.440
goes straight down as it comes off
of the letter R. At the top

483
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:06.119
we find that protruding secondary stem again. And I only brought in the letter

484
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:12.280
D to show how far back that
Jack would actually make these overhangs to the

485
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.800
left of the stem of any particular
capital letter, because in the Sherry Joe

486
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:21.159
Bates letter, we had this very
very huge overhang on the letter R,

487
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.119
and we also had Oh, I
guess I should have notated that we have

488
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:27.320
a loop in the buckle there,
and we have an arcade on the right

489
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:31.880
leg. So there are some consistencies
now making our way into the Lipstick Killer

490
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:36.000
case. We did have a buckle
as well in that one, and we

491
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:40.440
have in some cases three strokes in
which case, so it looks almost like

492
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:45.760
this is the letter P here that
we saw that was in the first or

493
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:51.599
in the Lipstick Killers ps where the
bowl of the P consumed almost the entire

494
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:53.840
portion of the stem, just leaving
it slightly out there. And then we

495
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:59.000
have the third stroke, which is
the arcaded right leg, and of course

496
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.960
we see that the left leg again
is much shorter than the right leg hanging

497
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.280
down. And then we actually have
what I refer to just a few minutes

498
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.440
ago, is that drooping leg,
that leg that shoots straight down instead of

499
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:16.280
outward to the right leging typical R
should have many of the letter rs.

500
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:21.440
I mean, obviously attempting to make
this a disguised handwriting, we're written with

501
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.280
three strokes. That's just not reality. People don't typically write that way.

502
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:29.280
It takes longer to do so,
so in an effort of efficiency, and

503
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.519
speed. People will combine that into
two or even one stroke to create the

504
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:37.440
letter R. So we do know
that this is very much a disguised handwriting

505
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:42.480
for the Lipstick Killer. Moving over
into Elizabeth Short, we do have some

506
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:49.320
consistencies with the With the shapes of
the letter rs, the drooping leg that

507
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.440
comes straight down instead of outward to
the right, the slants that we talked

508
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:57.599
about between the left and right leg, and then of course the actual shape

509
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.400
of the letter rs are very very
consisted stint I mean I draw, I

510
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:05.400
didn't. I didn't plan to drop
this R down underneath Jack's. It just

511
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.599
so happened to have occurred that way, and it rather you know, it

512
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:14.000
doesn't shock me obviously, but to
have it fall where it fell, and

513
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:19.559
the habit be such a relatively similar
shape in every the length of the actual

514
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.719
bull, the shape of the exit
stroke on the right leg, all of

515
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:30.400
that being consistent, these letter rs
in the Elizabeth shortcase were very similar in

516
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:34.239
structure to the Sorry Mary letter.
So again, the only difference I saw

517
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:38.880
there is that he attempted to flare
out a concaved right leg, which we

518
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:44.719
saw that Jack is very well astute
doing. And then of course, we

519
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.639
see that slant again between the left
and right legs that occur, and we

520
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:52.920
also mapped out a slant of the
letter R that is leaning rightward, and

521
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.480
we're going to see that that's very
consistent with the crime scene notes. So

522
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:01.320
just blasting through here really quickly.
The os Weld letter had the drooping leg

523
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:07.320
that came straight down. Sherry Joe
Bates has a leg that actually protrudes at

524
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:12.119
a level or an angle that is
consistent with Jack's as it exits out of

525
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:20.480
the R. There are consistencies obviously
with let's see here that was a buckle

526
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:30.360
and exit. That's why did I
mark that one consistent with all right,

527
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:36.760
okay, so the Sherry Joe Bates
actually had consistencies in the actual buckles with

528
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:42.039
what we saw in the Zodiac Killers, that buckle being consistent as well with

529
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:45.920
something that Jack does where he doesn't
touch all the way back to the stem.

530
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.840
I must will come across it.
As we keep going. We also

531
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:58.280
have this very elongated right leg that
comes down that's very consistent with Dabe Cooper

532
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:04.760
as we see over here, very
consistent with the Red Phantom, the Deer

533
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:07.920
draft Board letters. Again, these
have consistencies not only with Jack's writing,

534
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:14.559
but also with other rs that are
found within the red circles as you go

535
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:19.320
through. It could be the buckle
and the actual bottom portion that are consistent

536
00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:22.559
while the top portion is a little
bit different. Again, you have to

537
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:24.280
keep in mind that you never write
the same way twice, so we're not

538
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:28.199
going to actually, we're not going
to be as lucky as we were up

539
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:32.079
here with Elizabeth Short and Jack's writing
to find something so darn consistent that almost

540
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:37.039
all areas match. So we're looking
to see if there are consistencies or characteristics

541
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:42.559
in the way that any portion of
these letters line up to determine whether or

542
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:46.440
not they are consistent with the writing
of Jack or the Zodiac. Moving into

543
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:52.159
the Zodiac Killer, again we find
these very perfect rs, but then we

544
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.599
run into these ones that are more
consistent with what we're seeing up here in

545
00:42:54.719 --> 00:43:00.840
Jack's writing. I did map all
of those out as something that was consistent

546
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:07.400
with his We did find again these
square shaped rs in the Zodiac writing,

547
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:13.960
which was consistent with square shaped rs
in the dB Cooper. I believe I

548
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:19.800
found that this one. Gosh,
if it wasn't too much to put lines

549
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.960
from one to the next so that
we can easily find them. I would,

550
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:24.800
but I believe it would just block
up too much of our views.

551
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:32.440
Let's see, here's another one of
Jack's rs found right here in the Albany

552
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:38.239
letter. More of Jack's rs found
in the dB Cooper from the melted over

553
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:45.840
bowl to the actual same style,
shape and exit that we see dB Cooper.

554
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.360
Again, we have another one that
is consistent with Jack's writing. In

555
00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:52.599
fact shape I should have circled it
up here. It did not get circled,

556
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:57.679
but it's right here on the far
right hand side. Is consistent both

557
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:01.320
the angle of the right leg that
comes out the angle of the left and

558
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:07.480
right leg in relation to each other. That melted over bowl once again and

559
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.679
then on into Albany again, we
see that same similar shape that we were

560
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:19.320
talking about up here in Jack's handwriting. Okay, we got about five minutes

561
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.880
here, and to keep on going
with that right right leg. Obviously that

562
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:29.440
is much longer than the rest of
the letter R. We saw that consistent

563
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:34.360
in Sherry Joe Bates. We saw
it happening in John Benny Ramsey, we

564
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:44.599
saw it happening in Let's see,
it was dB Cooper. We see it

565
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.360
definitely happened in Jack's, but his
tends to go to the right rather than

566
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:53.360
downward. But it was also happening
in the Atlanta Georgia Killer. We see

567
00:44:53.360 --> 00:45:00.880
it happening in Tom Boyd's right there. That curR sure I showed or noted

568
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:07.679
in Jack's actual writing in the Bruce
Ivans, we had a consistency with the

569
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:13.519
exit stroke that we see happening in
Jack's with the Winovich so and then one

570
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.199
of the things that I noted was
obviously this crazy right leg that's put way

571
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:21.519
out on the outside of the bowl
of the R. This was something that

572
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:27.039
was looked at when we were looking
at the letter k's with the Zodiac where

573
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.199
his facade was to place the leg
of the K so far out on the

574
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:36.960
right arm of the letter K.
That and in a third stroke, so

575
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.599
basically it looks like the letter P
was made here. And then this final

576
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:45.400
stroke was added after the fact,
the way out on the outside of the

577
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.079
bowl, which gave it kind of
this weird base, if you will,

578
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.519
for the letter R. But I
did find that that base was consistent.

579
00:45:53.280 --> 00:46:00.519
Let's see, it was consistent with
the Zodiac Killer. Right here we found

580
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:08.400
it and then it was also consistent
with Elizabeth Short where he placed again the

581
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:15.840
leg far out on the outside of
the actual bull. Again here in the

582
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:20.920
Sorry Mary, we can see how
wide that is because of where that actual

583
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:25.480
leg is placed. Definitely just another
consistency. We see it here in the

584
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:31.199
Tim Miller there again, although this
is a single stroke that is occurring,

585
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:36.559
but we still see it happening far
off to the right hand side of the

586
00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:40.639
bull, which is definitely consistent with
the anthrax letters. We are at seven

587
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.960
forty seven. I don't have a
lot to say about this particular one.

588
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.039
You guys can sit here and go
through this on your own if you want

589
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:50.760
to pause and check it out.
So I'm just going to do a quick

590
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:54.440
run through. We see that the
actual protruding stem of the letter R is

591
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:58.440
here. As you go down,
I have marked all of those with arrows.

592
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:01.800
You can see that it's happening over
and over again in these crime communications,

593
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:06.079
which kind of tells me that once
again we are dealing with the same

594
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:09.039
author. Another thing that we picked
out of here is not only the shape,

595
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:14.119
but that check mark are that they
kept looking for in somebody's handwriting.

596
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:19.920
That is definitely found throughout Jack's handwriting, including this flat not so much elevated

597
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.400
overhang of the R, but this
flat wavy one that comes out. We'll

598
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:29.920
start to see those. Also the
overhang that has this angular tip we see,

599
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.760
and also this loop in the stem. So it's a single stroke that

600
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:36.880
is written with a loop in it. And that was one of the first

601
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.880
things that triggered me in the Lipstick
Killer cases that Jack makes this loop in

602
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:44.159
his R. And we see the
loop in the rs that are found in

603
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:47.559
the Lipstick Killing case. And we
also find that the overhang actually elevates to

604
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:53.039
the degree that occurs in Jack's handwriting, so we can see how high up

605
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:57.920
that goes right there. But so
if we just keep on moving through again,

606
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:01.679
we find the stems that are protruding
sticking up there. We found that

607
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:07.639
occurring in let's see, now,
here's the angular in Sherry Joe Bates that

608
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.800
we were just talking about in Jack's
here's the check mark R in Sherry Joe

609
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:17.679
Bates that is found in the Zodiac
Killer and in Jack's handwriting. One minute,

610
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:22.280
as we go down, we're going
to continue to see these looped rs.

611
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.760
We're going to see the overhangs that
are similar with either Jack or other

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constructions that are found within these letters
and all the way through, so even

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all the way down to John Benny
Ramsey, I find is consistent with the

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Christmas card, consistent with the Sacramento
letter from the Zodiac, on and on

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again. We found the angular overhang
and the consistency in these particular letter RS

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with Jack's, so that is the
lowercase R. We have now established it.

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Not only does Jack have the check
mark, we see that the Sherry

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Joe Bates has the check mark.
It is found definitely in the Zodiac Killer

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Rights, and all the way down
to Let's see if we can find some

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more just before we let everybody go. Nope, but in Buenovic we again

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found that letter R with that tall
stem that's sticking out the top. So

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with that, you guys, I'm
going to let you go. We will

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return next week with the letter S. I thought we'd make it through that

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today, but obviously that took a
little more time. So everybody have a

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wonderful weekend and we'll see you next
Friday.