April 18, 2025

Handwriting Comparisons and Murders

Handwriting Comparisons and Murders

Comparing the Sandy Betts murder map to various authors such as Richard Gaikowski, Robert Hernandez (Betts Suspect), other communications Sandy Betts has received, and even Sandy Betts herself. While Dennis believed Jack went to work for HP in 1983,...

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Comparing the Sandy Betts murder map to various authors such as Richard Gaikowski, Robert Hernandez (Betts Suspect), other communications Sandy Betts has received, and even Sandy Betts herself. While Dennis believed Jack went to work for HP in 1983, we don’t see evidence of this job until April 1984. Murders in Texas are still very active such as Corvette Concepts Mystery and Eqquisearch founder Tim Miller’s daughter.

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Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the today, Harriet Suchet.

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Good morning and morning one week as they call it. Yay,

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I'm all happy.

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Home. We're so excited.

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Yeah that's true. Yeah, home for at least home for Easter.

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I'm going to go get some cha.

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Canby six months? Six months you've been basically hospitalized.

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Yeah, four months and I'm still healing. But at least

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I'm healing the rest of the way in a home sitting.

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So they were because I was getting up and walking

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around and still complaining about the food, and they couldn't know.

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I think she's I think she's pretty much good to

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go because we're expecting. Yeah, let's send her home, and

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you know what, I'm just going to be really brief

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what happened to me, which is including a cerebral human alma.

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It really enhanced my sense of smell and I could

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smell everything, and it ended up in the freaking food

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and I couldn't plus the medicines I was taking. I

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wash forty pounds.

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Nice say it.

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Yeah, it's not the way you want to lose it.

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They said, no, you need, you need some weight back

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so you can heal more. But and I would, and

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I only said it once and then stopped serving the

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shitty food. Anyways, So I'm home.

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I think that's a topic for a whole other podcast.

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But Western medicine and their food is absolutely horrible.

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But yeah, I was making my own peanut butter sandwiches

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and they said, you know, she's making her own stuff

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to eat again, she's ready, okay, and take her yourself

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at home, you.

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Know, congratulations, I mean, okay, got to be nice to

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enjoy it. Well, you were only in your place a

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couple of weeks right before this accident happened exactly.

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And then yeah, I decorated for Christmas, so I came

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home to pros Christmas.

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That's going to kind of make you smile little Oh.

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I love Christmas?

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Right?

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My family said, well, I said, you missed your birthday

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and other family member's birthday, miss Christmas, and now you're

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there pre Easter, celebrate all those sort things. I was.

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I said, that's good to me. I'm getting candy because

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they didn't serve candy episode at at least, I was,

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I haven't got candy in four months?

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Really, right, Oh my goodness. Well, last week we left

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off on what we refer to as the Sandy Bets

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murder map, and I know, well, I'm not sure how

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many people were with us for the episodes that I

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ran with Sandy Bets. She believes she was being stalked

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by the group or the individual Zodiac killer himself. She

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had many pieces of evidence to put forward, and some

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she knew where it came from, some she didn't know

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where it came from. And she also provided me with

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a couple of different prospects that she thought were possible

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suspects for having written some of these items. So I

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thought I was going to take a look at this

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handwriting finally, which is something I promised to do way

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back then. I hadn't had the time to do it.

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But I have now compared this handwriting to her couple

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of suspects, one of the suspects that Tom Voight has,

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and then I ended up actually comparing the handwriting itself

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to Sandy Betts and things got extremely interesting. So when

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we look at this map right now, we can see

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on the outset what might appear to be a whole

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bunch of Zodiac symbols. But I'm going to comment on

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those because these symbols are not like what the Zodiac wrote,

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because the actual lines never exceed the outside circumference of

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the circle. In some cases there's a slight overhang, but

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for the most part, the criss cross is all inside

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the circle, and that is just not typically what we

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saw the Zodiac actually executing. Another thing that kind of

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caught me off guard is we had multiple capital letters

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in the middle of lowercase printing. Now, I know that

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the Zodiac would typically write or attempt to write, all

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in lowercase print, but there was an occasional capital N

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that looked like a W structure in his writing where

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you could see that he was either manic or on drugs,

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or he had something going on. So he was accidentally

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dropping these W shaped capital letter ns in the middle

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of lower case printing, and I found a few of

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those in the zodiac communications, but we didn't really other

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than the K in speaking, did we see any other

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large capital letters or what we call pop out letters

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in graphology on this particular map, though, I took note

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to many pop up letters. So we had capital a's,

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capital n's, capital r's, capital f's, capital l's was a K. Yeah, yeah,

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I would I would say they're pop up k's, larger

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k's than the lower case printing as well, so there

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was very There was a lot of these pop up letters,

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and we can see them like in the word pleasant.

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In here we see this great, big, huge capital L.

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I want to say. Up in Vacaville again we have

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these capital l's. Fairfield is one word, but we see

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this capital F in the middle. Let's see San Rafel,

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where did I see you? Up Here again, we have

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a capital F in the middle of lowercase. Well, two

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capital a's around the capital F. But then we have

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a lowercase E and then we have that pop up

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capital letter L again. So all of this being that

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interesting to me, I wanted to see how this fared

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out with some of the suspects. So I did do

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a comparison with Bob Hernandez as a handwriting or Robert Hernandez,

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which I believe that this is the main suspect that

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Sandy Betts believes is either a the Zodiac Killer part

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of the group, or her stalker. I'm not really sure

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because I get myself confused. She's got a couple of

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different things going on. But when I did the comparison here,

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I looked at these letter a's and they're just simply

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they're very tall, very pointy cross very low on the crossbar,

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and it's pretty consistent. When he writes in his lowercase

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handwriting with proper capitalization. We don't see any capital a's,

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capital ens, capital a, yeah, a's or ends. Let's see

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no capital rs. So let me see if I find

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any k's around here for him. I don't believe I did,

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but we can see here that when he prints, he

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prints with proper capitalization and lowercase letters, so that kind

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of rules him out. When he prints in capital letters,

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all of those capital letters, each each letter is capitalized.

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So as he wrote, Hernandez, coud you can know some

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type of a self defense school. He wrote all of

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this in capital letters, so he either writes in all

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caps when he writes, or he's using proper capitalization in

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lowercase print. So then when we looked at actual the

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form and style of the actual letters, again we didn't

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find any consistencies in the letter rs or the letter ns.

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The letter a's were obviously very different. Most most everything

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that I saw in here just I got no warm

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and fuzzy off this guy whatsoever. There was nothing that

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made me think that this guy actively wrote this map,

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which then brings us to more Sorry, I have more

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handwriting from Bob Hernandez, and again we are looking at

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his writing here. Again he is writing in proper capitalization

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form with lowercase letters, and we do not see any

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pop up capital letters in this writing. And again the

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form across the board is not consistent with what we

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see going on. In fact, we had the Imperial dragons

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written up here and we've got this letter D. We

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can see how that varies from the letter d's that

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are in here in Mount Diablo and Danville. Again, just

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nothing there that hit home for me that said, oh,

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we've got something that's alike his capital f's as he

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wrote in February. He tends to cross all the way

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through that stem instead of just coming off the right

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hand side of it, and we can see that that's

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not what's happening with the letter FS in this actual

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murder map. Now that brings us to Gaikowski, which is

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one of Tom Void's suspects. But I think that sometimes

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Sandy Betts believes that there's a possibility he could also

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be the zodiac. So I had thrown some of his

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writing in here to just kind of take a look

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at it once again. We had some of the same characteristics.

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We have complete capitalization, proper capitalization with lowercase printing. We

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do not have any pop up letters that are not

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specific to the actual writing that's going on. Again, we

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have the f's that are crossed through the stem, just

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like we saw in Bob Hernandez's handwriting, only Gaikowski tends

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to have a little bit more flair to it, so

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you can actually see the stem protruding from the top

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of the F. And Darlene farrin we can see the

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middle crossbar crosses from left to right in an inclined fashion,

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so does the top crossbar, and in San Francisco pretty

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much the same thing. We can see both the crossbar

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at the top and the crossbar in the center that

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is criss crossing all the way through from left to

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right of that stem. So when I did any comparison

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on actual letter formations, again I did not see a

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lot going on here. I did see in let's see

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in the word fairfield, the attempt to use this bell

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top a that looks extremely rudimentary. It does not really

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look like anything that we saw the zodiac do. We

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do see that Gaikowski does have that bell top a

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at least one in San Francisco, But again it's not

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even the same shape or style or form as the

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beltop a's that we're finding over here. So occasionally when

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I look through these words, we'll see these belltop a's,

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almost as if the person is just attempting to mimic

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or put them in while the rest of them they

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just didn't pay attention to the fact that they were

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using all capital a's.

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Can I say something absolutely ever, you brought up of

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Kyleski once once Tom Boyd said it's the zooniac because

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of he was That's when he started getting lapped off

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the internet. You're you're you're bringing back some some funny,

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fond memories of saying, yeah, finally, people are just laughing

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at Tom Boyd.

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You know, yeah, a huge reach. I mean, when you

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see the picture of Gaikowski, you know that once again

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he's just not even a a similar match. He's just

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not even a match at all between the composite from

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the presidio. So again, once I cross reference this particular handwriting,

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and of course this is a little bit more cursive,

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so it's a little harder to actually make some comparative values.

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But we do have other letters in there that we

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can use and make cross references too, So things like

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the capitol letter S, which is a standout print, and

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the word San Francisco, the word killing. It looks like

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he wrote, rich I have killed a dozen people. And

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of course this is a sample of Richard Gayskowski's handwriting

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that was apparently obtained by authorities during the investigation regarding

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the complaints by Darlene Farren's sister Pam. So we have

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someone else who is evidently complaining about Gaikowski. I'm not

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sure it says. This sample contains the numbers one, eight,

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seven and letters t R. During her appearance on the

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Sally Jesse Rafael Show. So Pam's sister must have been

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on a show, how she must be must have called

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him out or somebody would have fettered that information to

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even look towards Getowski. I'm not sure how she got

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involved with blaming him, do youal Harriet?

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I know he was definitely being even though it's horrible

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locause there are real people killed. They were just laughing

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about Richard Geikowski being it. If you got somebody who's

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supposed to be Darling fair AND's sister saying, is not it?

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You know? It just Tom Boyd Apparently it says here.

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It says here that his handwriting apparently was obtained by

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authorities during the investigation regarding the complaints by Darling fair

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and sister Pam. So Pam had to have complained about him,

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and then they attained his handwriting sample, and by the

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looks of it, they didn't find that anything matched, or

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we'd have seen him him.

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The found nothing nothing. I think I remember something about

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it Belly Jester about the El show.

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But yeah, that's pretty much what I found was nothing.

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Well, well, Tom White was grasping as straw as trying

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to find a suspect to keep his Zodiac Killer dot

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Com alive because at that time that Arthur Lee Allen

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the prime suspect. The DNA didn't match, the handwriting never

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matched a lot it didn't match, and so he's just

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you know, he's he's the snake oil salesman of the

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Zodiac world, trying to keep suspects alive, to keep his

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sight going, because.

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I think that's what he called me.

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Yeah, yeah, salesman.

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It was him or Chris Yarborough. There's been so many

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trolls throughout that I've even forgotten about some of them.

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But I think Chris Yarborough was the one that said

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I was smoking and snake oil salesperson.

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Thank you.

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I could probably sell him on a stick.

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But he's the only one that apologized, at least somebody

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who's in that name to Dennis for what they put

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him through. You know, upon Dennis's death, I fought on Facebook,

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so you know, we said that was nice. But you know, otherwise, yeah,

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we've been through it through because of those Yes we have.

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So there's been along what sixteen years that I have

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been involved in this, and I think you were involved

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a little bit longer than I was, so.

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A lot longer, and I was quiet for during a

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lot of the two thousands, but I kept on lurking

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because you know, and I've I still at the time

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and during the two thousands was backing Kenny Kilgore quietly,

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because yeah, every time you supported Kenny Kilgore on tom

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Boys or any of the sites, you got the crap

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beat out of you and you were suspended for a

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couple of days. I've been keep saying that the FI

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he had proofed it they were backing his stepfather as

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a sad Yeah, he kept on posting it, and that

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would be me too.

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Now Kenny Kilgore turned out to be Dennis Kaufman though

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correct incognito.

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Yeah, and so I was like, when I finally found

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this sight, I says, oh my god, I think I

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found the right person to support him back. I didn't

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want to just have a suspect and throw out the name.

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I wanted to really solve it.

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Yeah. I sat back for a while incognito as well

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on his message board, just to kind of get information

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from individuals before they figured out who I was. And

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then of course once they figured out who I was,

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then oof the onslaught was on. I think even at

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one point in time, I had moderated Dennis's message board

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for him, kicking off all of the trolls and getting

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rid of the people who were just basically there to,

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you know, cause drama in the middle of real information

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that people was seeking.

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So another one of whom was probably hundreds you've.

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Blocked, Probably I went to town. If you were a jerk,

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you were out of there.

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Well.

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And I think that a lot of these trolls that

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were on the Internet were signing up for multiple accounts,

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so sometimes I could literally read the messages that they

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were giving and see that that was literally okay, this

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is the same person under a different name. Of course,

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again incognito. Nobody wants to be out there with their

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name on anything because if they're going to be jackwagons,

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they don't want to be it to be known that

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it's them that's doing it, which was not something that

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I appreciated at all. If you're going to come at us,

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come at us for real, and come at us as

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the person you are, not as some covered up individual

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which can't be found or asked. To stand up and

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raise your hand and say that you believe the things

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that you believe.

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You block like one isp that would be like you know,

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ten or twenty bops as they call them now, so

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you know, selling, Yeah, one ISP and then we'll clean

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up the whole board for a while.

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Yes it did, Yes it did. We were able to

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actually go in there and plot out that information. Nobody

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wants to read through all the garbage just to sift

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through thirty forty different bad messages just to get a

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little piece of some type of evidence. We wanted the

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evidence to be straightforward and clear and discussed and something

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that people could follow easily without all the drama and

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the nastiness in between. Well enough on that. I do

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have some I do. I do have some other handwriting.

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From I just wanted to say something really quick quick.

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Now when I'm seeing stuff that's been going on for

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maybe a couple of centuries and it's still continuing, we

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still have the same sort of types of people who

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just don't want the truth out there.

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You mean decades or I guess you are.

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Because the stuff I'm doing right now it is going

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back a couple of.

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Ye, but we're not we're not covering that though. So basically,

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Richard MCKOWSI had another piece of information out there, which

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was a request for a passport, in which case his

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handwriting was found on When we look at this handwriting,

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we can once again look across and see that there's

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just no comparative value between the actual letter forms and

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structures size shape. Again, he's using proper capitalization with lowercase printing,

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no pop up letters. Even his cas tend to look

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more like a lowercase K, although Dakota looks a little

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bit bigger here. When we look at Gaikowski up here,

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just definitely formed as a lowercase K. And then again

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cross comparing that to the information on the map, there

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was just really nothing that was kind of given me

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a warm and fuzzy again, even with this particular handwriting.

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So I've looked at different handwritings over different time frames.

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I want to say this one was in the nineties

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or something like that for the passport, and then the

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other one was at some point in time during the

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actual investigation of the Zodiac Killer way back when. That

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brings us actually to the commonalities that I found in

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some of the community cations that Sandy Betts had indicated

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she had received. So she stated she received a message

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that says, why am I afraid to tell you who

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I am. She also received another message she believed from

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somebody who stated that they were some type of a

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oh gosh astrologist basically giving her astrology reading. So it's

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a secretive, mysterious, extremely brilliant. You are active, hardworking and aggressive.

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You're sensitive to the needs of others. You are a

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quiet fighter. You are a slow starter, but once you

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get going, look out. When I cross compared these three communications,

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which included the actual murder map from Sandy Betts, I

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did find some consistencies between the one that she claimed

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came from an individual who was giving her an astrology reading.

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We see these backwards whys. We see these backwards why.

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Also in the why am I afraid to tell you

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who I am? Now? In the word why, we see

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the the why is actually created correctly. So this persona

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of doing this backwards why is obviously somebody manipulating their handwriting.

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I don't know why that this was even a thing,

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because you're not going to find backwards whys in the

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Zodix handwriting. But she believed that these messages look like

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the Zodix handwriting. And again it was either a note

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pass to someone or note pass to a coworker that

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was given to her. She doesn't know where the murder

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map came from. But let's talk about these consistencies real quick.

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So aside from a backwards why between these two messages,

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it looks to me that this particular this is a

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persona somebody is trying to play and put on. And

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then as I go through the messages, we start to

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find the capital a's, the capital f's, the capital l's,

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all in the middle of lowercase printing, while the astrology

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reading tends to be more strict lowercase print with proper capitalization.

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We do see in the word look out capital L.

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But that was really the only capital that I saw

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that was out of place in here. When I did

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the cross comparison between the actual murder map itself and

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these particular ones, we found the capital a's, we found

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the capital rs. We found let's see capital n's, capital l's.

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So again we're finding now these cross references between these three,

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these two communications so basically different. Significant characteristics between these

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three kind of tied them all together and suggests that

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they were written by one person. In the word valeo,

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we've got double capital l's there. So now down here

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when we're looking at this handwriting at the bottom. This

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is actually Sandy Bett's handwriting, and I about fell out

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of my chair because I did not know how it

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was going to play out, even though I had saw

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some things in early on, like these capital letter fs

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that write right here in the word different, very very

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consistent with the capital letter s that are found in

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this message up here that says, why am I afraid

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to tell you who I am? And I mean so

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so stinking similar that even the way they're formed, the

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way that the top crossbar comes back below the actual

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top of the stem kind of almost in a V

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shape or a K like formation on that F is

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very consistent with what we see in her handwriting. We

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also find in her handwriting capital l's, capital RS, capital

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n's capital Let's see here l R, N, R, L, f's,

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and f's are really a big one for me here, folks,

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because capital fs are not something that I've seen in

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the middle of lowercase printing. I've seen a's, I've seen rs,

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I've seen d's, I've seen n's, i've seen m's. Capital

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F in the middle of lowercase printing is completely almost

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like a solid identifier for somebody. If I saw this

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in a writing, and I was being asked to determine

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whether or not somebody had executed a document and found

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these s in there. I would this might be enough

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to sell me all by itself, just because of how unique.

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It is. So aside from that, we also look at

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the word valao. Now, this is the word valao on

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the map, and this is the word valao in Sandy's handwriting.

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And I took a note to the actual baseline of

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the letters. So the V starts out at one position,

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the A hops up, the l's hop up, the E

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hops up, the J hops up. And when we looked

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over here at the valeo that was actually written on

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the murder map, we've got a V that's lower, the

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A that hops up, the l's that hop up, and

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we have a straight tail J, which is exactly what

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we see in her handwriting as well. The l's were

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all consistent. The ends actually, I mean, even when you

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look at the formation and the shape of the letter,

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ends in Danville and San Ramon are consistent with her

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letter ends. Now, another thing that kind of drew it

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all back together for me was that Sandy uses a

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three hump M and it's cursive in nature. Written in

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the middle of printed writing. There's another huge key identifier,

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because not many people do this, let alone even do

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three humps in cursive writing. So when I looked back

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and saw the why am I afraid to tell you

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who I am? Lo and behold, we have three hump

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cursive written ms in the middle of that message. So

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now I am extremely like, if not upset, that I

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have wasted any time in this particular notion that she

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is being threatened by somebody they How is it that

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they can write like her? How is it that they

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form letters like her, use the same type of capital letters.

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They're just not Nobody's sitting around working on trying to

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mimic Sandy Bett's handwriting in order to make it look

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like she wrote this while threatening her. Doesn't make any

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sense in my brain. So we've got some things to

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look at there. I think I have some more on

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the writing. Oh yes, we discussed the formation of the

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actual zodiac sign sign itself, and we can see here

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that this the crossbars of the zodiac symbol does not

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go through the actual circle and Lo and behold, that

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is exactly how Darling fair or Darling shoot Sandy Betts

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does it. As well, so again there was another home

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run hit on the formation. We can see this is

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something she claims that somebody had left, I think for

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one of her coworkers, or he had claimed he was

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trying to help her in her zodiac pursuit. And when

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I got into here, of course I did see some

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other things that were consistent with the previous letters that

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we just looked at. Let me see if I worked

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up any Oh, yes, I did work up on that one.

462
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:43.279
So some of the things that I was seeing was

463
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:46.240
this uptick that happens at the bottom left hand side

464
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:49.359
of the stems of things like t's and h's. You

465
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:52.680
can see it happening over and over again inside of here.

466
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:56.079
And one of the things that we saw in the

467
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:59.519
murder map itself was again this leftward tick that happens

468
00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:02.680
at the bottom of the tees and then this crisscross

469
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.000
star shaped tea where it's basically done in one clean

470
00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:09.200
fluid movement, which is to draw from the top of

471
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:12.359
the stem downward, exit off to the left, but not

472
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:14.839
pick up the pen, and then cross to the right

473
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.160
with the crossbar on the tee. And that happened in Sacramento.

474
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.000
It happened in Sana Rosa. And then of course when

475
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:24.799
we got into Sandy's handwriting, we found it everywhere, this

476
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:29.240
crisscross tee that is shaped like a star basically, and

477
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.960
you can find it in much of her handwriting. So

478
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:34.559
I think that that's a clue, pushing it back into

479
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:37.880
that notion that there is a possibility that she was

480
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:40.599
creating these she was attempting to make them look like

481
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:43.839
they were Zodiac written, even though I find that there

482
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:46.440
are lots of differences and reasons to believe that they

483
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:51.359
are not. Either way, that's too close to home for me,

484
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:55.599
for somebody to complain to be to having been terrorized

485
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.559
by people, or you know, somebody stalking her with this information,

486
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.960
when in reality there's just so many commonalities with their

487
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:06.279
own handwriting that we have to question whether or not

488
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:12.200
that she has been honest with us. Here's another cross

489
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.119
reference of that same Robert gray Smith note and document,

490
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:19.440
in which case I pulled apart even more items that

491
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:25.799
are linked by virtue of those backwards wise, the capital l's,

492
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.079
the actual word the and the shape of the hs

493
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.359
are very consistent with her handwriting as well. It just

494
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:35.839
goes on and on, and sometimes when you have the

495
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:39.680
right suspect for handwriting. You could continue making those matches

496
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.680
all day long. I felt that this was significant enough

497
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:44.799
for me to kind of drop this notion that this

498
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.160
came from the zodiac. Number one, because it's not a

499
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:50.000
match to his handwriting. And number two, it does not

500
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:52.319
match any of the suspects she claims to have been

501
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:55.759
involved with her being terrorized. And number three, there are

502
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.880
so many consistencies with her handwriting that I'm pretty much

503
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.240
going to eighty six this notion altogether.

504
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:06.079
What do you think, Harriet, Oh, I sure would love

505
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:10.599
to hear explanation on all of this, but you know, yeah,

506
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.119
so some of the things. I think you would say

507
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:16.559
that some of the stuff on her maps are matching,

508
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:19.519
but you know, this is this We need to hear

509
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.000
some explanations as to why this is happening.

510
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.599
Well, and I had with the last couple of weeks

511
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.680
to come back on the show. Like I said, she's

512
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:32.960
now adopted the thought process of some new suspect out

513
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:35.759
there that might possibly have some bearing on what it

514
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.000
is that she's doing and looking at, and she felt

515
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:41.240
compelled to deal with them before actually coming on the show.

516
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:43.079
So this is going to play out the way it

517
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:46.279
plays out without her because I offered her to come in.

518
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:49.160
I don't know how she would have handled this kind

519
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.920
of information she may have gotten mad, I don't know.

520
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:55.319
I did actually have one worse slide where I looked

521
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.119
at the letter P as it pertains to the Robert

522
00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.839
Graysmith that she supposedly got, and the ps have these

523
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:06.200
little flags that are sticking up to the top left

524
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:09.160
hand side here, and even the shapes of the bulls

525
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:11.920
are similar. They don't close back to the actual stem,

526
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.599
but we see that in her peas in her own

527
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.039
writing once again have that flag that sticks out just

528
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.039
kind of curved off to the left just a little bit.

529
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:25.759
But again, just another consistency too much for me anyways,

530
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:29.880
all right, I'm done with my rant and I did

531
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:33.799
finally get that handwriting done for everybody. Robert Hernandez is

532
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.680
not a match. Richard Gaikowski is not a match. And unfortunately,

533
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.880
there are far too many commonalities with Sandy Bett's handwriting

534
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.119
for me to dismiss that this was somebody else actively

535
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:47.720
trying to terrorize her, and that it is likely she

536
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.599
is the one that actually constructed and created that map

537
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:54.839
and possibly the other letters as well. So that brings

538
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.680
us back to the murderers. And I think we actually

539
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:00.119
had started to talk about these ones. Last time. We

540
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:04.640
had a Heidi Villa Real five, which you had commented

541
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:11.880
on believing it was Abel Robert Abel, and.

542
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.000
I have my books that I can look at here.

543
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.480
But but anyways, so yeah, I had a hard time

544
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:21.240
pronouncing her name too, but as I went along, so

545
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:26.599
my god, she's another victim of Robert Abel who couldn't

546
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.519
get help and even a minute over the years, you

547
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:32.920
know to other people that he kind of needed help

548
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.519
for some things. And you know, of course he didn't

549
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.759
tell all his friends, well I'm a killer, we're to

550
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.519
your children. But you know, so you.

551
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.720
Believe he was. You believe he was back and forth

552
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.279
between California and Texas. Committee murders.

553
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:54.960
Yeah, I have them linked to Gidley, Patricia Gidley, and

554
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.000
I had to look into that one. I said, how

555
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.559
could he be linked there? The wedding that she was

556
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:07.759
going to had to deal with Bracewell, very famous NASA person,

557
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:14.160
the Bracewell Observatory at Stanford, and apparently he went to

558
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:19.039
that wedding and they had some kind of date. But

559
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:23.119
I guess she reminded him of Janis Joplin. But she,

560
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:30.480
Patricia Gidley, was extremely smart, really intelligent. She was involved

561
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:34.920
with West Coast NORAD, so she did imaging and things

562
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.599
like that. I mean, it's really a twenty three years

563
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.880
old in the mind of a fifty year old scientist

564
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:45.240
said that she was killed. But yeah, but maybe that

565
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.720
was also it. She had a mind like a scientist,

566
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:50.720
and you know, he didn't want to deal with that.

567
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:53.359
I don't know things would trigger him.

568
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.440
But yeah, I think I think she They articulated she

569
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.640
went missing or to first of nineteen eighty three. Were

570
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:03.759
you able to lock that in as far as the

571
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:05.240
wedding date was concerned.

572
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:11.519
I believe so. And hold on a second, Well, yeah,

573
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:15.960
so she went missing, and I think she I think

574
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:19.839
there was another witness that few would happened, and that's

575
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.559
a future event where somebody else went missing in that

576
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.400
same area in nineteen eighty four. So it was that

577
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:29.039
convenience store location.

578
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:31.759
Well, it did say that she went to use the

579
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.920
payphone at League City convenience store and that's where she

580
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:39.079
was abducted from. So she didn't quite make it to California,

581
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:40.039
is what I'm getting.

582
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:44.799
Oh, no, she didn't make it to California, but Rubert

583
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:46.599
Abel was pretty active.

584
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.000
A myth, so it says that she was beaten to

585
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.119
death with a club in broken bones found in the

586
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.119
killing fields where Miller and two Jane Doe's were found.

587
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:59.319
So obviously with those, suspect is returning to bury bodies

588
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:03.440
where others have been buried. I know that Jack has

589
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:07.400
just requested a divorce on October twentieth of nineteen eighty three. However,

590
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:12.960
this predates she went missing. Obviously, they say October first,

591
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.400
that predates it. It doesn't mean that Jack isn't there,

592
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:17.639
because again he is just now coming off and the

593
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.360
rest he is having to get his affairs in order

594
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:22.519
before he turns himself in, and he does, I believe

595
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:26.440
thirty days in jail. So Jack always returns home, guys,

596
00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:29.679
every single time, whenever anything is going on while he's

597
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:34.079
waiting to enter the military. I'd say a few times

598
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.519
a year, probably mostly holidays. He returned home to Mom,

599
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:40.440
but he was back and forth to Texas on a

600
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.760
constant basis. On October third of nineteen eighty three, it

601
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.360
says you got my first It's a letter postmarked Kalamazoo Michigan.

602
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:49.960
I know that we put in here to research this.

603
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:52.320
Now that you're at home, maybe we can start looking

604
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.360
up this particular letter and see if there's any instances

605
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:57.960
or versions of it out there.

606
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.280
Let me look at that, right. I was driving me

607
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.440
crazy the last couple of days, I said, I was

608
00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:07.159
trying to play. So anyways, ye, I send it whatever.

609
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:09.960
Oh I don't have it. I just it's in the

610
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:15.679
FOYA files. It's listed as a letter that was examination. Okay, okay,

611
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.719
I'll send that out to you. On our chamber. Twenty six,

612
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:23.320
six days after Jack requests divorce, we have Sondra or

613
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.599
Sandra Rambler in Santa Fe, Texas, goes missing. She was

614
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:28.800
abducted on her way to the store. So a lot

615
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:33.920
of these convenience stores, little stores. I mean, if we

616
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.800
go all the way back to Sherry Joe Bates, he

617
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:40.440
mentions taking the suspect, mentions taking people from little stores.

618
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:45.119
So that rolls us right down into November two of

619
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:48.440
nineteen eighty three on the Corvette concepts murders in Texas.

620
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:50.960
I believe we did start to talk about this a bit,

621
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.440
because it is actually notated in Tim Miller's letter. We

622
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:57.320
can see the envelope portion of it over here that

623
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.199
is addressed to Tom Humble. And there's a lot of

624
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.880
things that I found were consistent and intertwined with this,

625
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:07.480
because there is talk about Humble, Texas in this particular

626
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:12.280
letter in lieu of superfudge, which is a very interesting

627
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:16.519
tie in we believe between Anthrax and this letter where

628
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:23.239
he's taking ultimate I believe he was taking ultimate responsibility

629
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:28.639
for all of these different crime sprees across the United States. However, Harriet,

630
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:32.280
you believe that he was telling on people who were

631
00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:35.440
actually doing it. But this one letter does really encompass

632
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:40.320
everything from the Zodiac Killer, to the phantoms, to the

633
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:44.000
Corvette Concepts Fiasco mystery, the Zodiac kill. I mean, there's

634
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:47.960
just so many different references inside this letter. Now, this

635
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:51.159
one was actually it stated that the return address was

636
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.239
I believe it looks like six or five ninety five

637
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:58.320
West Main League City, Texas seven seven five seven three,

638
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:02.519
and it mentions Corvette Concepts Fiasco mystery, and of course

639
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:05.480
that brings us to the Corvette Concepts murders, where three

640
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.840
individuals were actually murdered, Beth Wilburn, Thomas McGraw and James Oates.

641
00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:12.639
Beth was stabbed one hundred and twenty nine times, and

642
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:15.840
in addition to being shot, McGraw was shot and stabbed

643
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.639
fifteen times, and a sharpened screwdriver was embedded in his spine.

644
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:23.719
It does not indicate how James Oates was killed, at

645
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:28.440
least by this particular information that I have. It does

646
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.079
indicate they've made an arrest at one point in time,

647
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.320
though I don't have the date on it. That must

648
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:35.360
have fell through, and that person must not have been

649
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.760
able to be charged or convicted of the crime, because

650
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.199
in twenty twenty one we have an article that comes

651
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:43.840
out saying corvette and cash offered for answers in cold

652
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.559
case murder. So they are still looking for a suspect

653
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:49.440
in this, and I think that the author of this

654
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.000
letter to Tim Miller in regards to his daughter is

655
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.239
probably the direction they should be looking in. Do you

656
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:57.519
have anything to add to that on the corvette concepts?

657
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:03.000
I think that I think they did get somebody. But

658
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:05.840
you know, I was looking to see if I had

659
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.320
anything printed about all this, and I think these are

660
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:11.960
two books that have not been printed yet by me.

661
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:17.280
So I've done, for some reason, a lot of detail

662
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.760
on what ended up being the Quarbette concepts and the

663
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:25.679
description of the evidence and stuff. So Jack definitely had

664
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:30.320
the information about what happened with this, and so the

665
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.280
only thing I can add is that I'll have to

666
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.920
look up what I have and just kind of go

667
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:40.360
over it again. It's just he's I think that that's

668
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:44.039
why he was calling it a fiasco, because the detectives there,

669
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.599
even though a lot of them are good and you know,

670
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:51.039
honest people, there's still people who want to cover up

671
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:53.480
things in the past that are linked to other people,

672
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:57.199
that are connected to certain people. And you know, I've

673
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:01.559
seen the dirtiness of John Edward Walsh Younger, so anything

674
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:04.199
that seems to be connected to that, because he's supposed

675
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:07.360
to be a good guy on that show. Anyways, I

676
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.440
can go on and on, but it's that way it

677
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:13.880
was called. The fiasco is just how they handle it

678
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:19.239
the evidence, you know, one hundred and eighteen times, you know, uh.

679
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:21.920
Yeah, yeah, no. And I get that because that's kind

680
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.840
of Zodiac one on one to call them out on

681
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:28.239
their ineptness. When when he finds that the police is

682
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:32.400
not appropriately handling things, he likes to actually get a

683
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:36.239
shout out. So calling it a fiasco would not surprise me.

684
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:38.920
What does surprise me is that this is a little

685
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.199
bit off the the mo of what we're seeing with

686
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.239
the other females that are happening in Texas. This is,

687
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.480
you know, walking into a place of business. This is

688
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.719
wiping out everybody who happens to be in there. I

689
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:55.559
don't believe that they mentioned anything in regards to you know,

690
00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:59.840
robbery or anybody taking any money, but this is definitely

691
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.360
overkill and meant to be personal. I mean, if you're

692
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.000
going to leave a sharp and screwdriver embedded in somebody's fine,

693
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.360
and you're not going to take that murder weapon with you,

694
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.239
you're sending a message. You stay, have somebody one hundred

695
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.719
and twenty nine times and shoot them, You're sending a message.

696
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.480
So what were these individuals into? And you have to

697
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:21.400
think that, you know, somebody owning a Corvette dealership is

698
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.760
probably pretty high up there as far as money is concerned.

699
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:30.199
Ye, all right, drugs. I think drugs plays a key

700
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:33.360
role in that somebody knew something.

701
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:37.079
Yeah, and that was kind of where my head was going,

702
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.840
But I don't know that to be true. So it

703
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:43.440
wasn't something I was going to mention. Obviously, we've got

704
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.519
victims here, and we don't want to throw any more

705
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:49.760
shade on them than they have already. But there's a possibility.

706
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:53.000
I mean, we've heard Timmeller discuss what he was doing

707
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.599
at the time his daughter was taken. We've heard you

708
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.400
and Lindsay mcbray talk about John Walsh and what he

709
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:01.159
was in the middle love at the time his son

710
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:05.000
was taken. There is some type of a commonality that

711
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:11.599
is coming back to those types of events. So I

712
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:13.639
do have on here that I believe that that Jack

713
00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:16.880
probably turned himself in after November tewod whereby he is

714
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:20.360
released on November first for his thirty days. It's also

715
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.480
a contention that Jack would have gone home to Texas,

716
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.400
as I had stated while going through the divorce with Nora.

717
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:29.480
Even though we are showing an address in real Linda,

718
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:33.159
we see addresses for Jack all over the place. I mean,

719
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:36.599
he is still currently holding peel boxes in Texas at

720
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:40.039
this time. He's holding peel boxes in Oklahoma at this time.

721
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:44.239
I think he has virtually many addresses that could be

722
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:48.840
tied to him during this particular period. November fourteenth and

723
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.800
nineteen eighty three, twenty five year old Stanley lang Common

724
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.000
on Highway fifty nine in north Park Drive in Kingwood, Texas.

725
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.480
It says on November thirteenth, nineteen eighty three, at approximately

726
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:02.039
ten pm, victim Stanley laying Common left his residence on

727
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:05.199
Ashmur Street in Houston, Texas, telling his girlfriend that he

728
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.280
was restless and was going out. On November fourteenth, nineteen

729
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:11.320
eighty three, at approximately eight a m. An employee working

730
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:14.000
on fire hydrant drains found the dead body of common

731
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:17.440
Line in a partially cleared field off North Park Drive

732
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:21.079
at Highway fifty nine in Kingwood, Texas. He had been

733
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.519
shot multiple times and his car was missing. Commons vehicle

734
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:27.400
was subsequently found parked in the thousand block of Webster

735
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.559
Street in Houston. The car had been at that location

736
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.320
since December fifth, nineteen eighty three, at which time a

737
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:36.679
parking ticket had been issued. And again this goes back

738
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:38.639
to the cars that go missing. So we've got the

739
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:40.639
victim that is killed, and we've got the car that

740
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.320
has moved to another location and subsequently found. Now I

741
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.840
show that this is the last unsolved murder for almost

742
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:51.079
seven months, and we do see that again Jack is

743
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.079
going to go to jail and he is going to

744
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:55.920
be on probation for quite some time, but Texas is

745
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:57.440
going to be free, at least as far as my

746
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.760
research is concerned. If there are moarmer out there, then

747
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:03.800
please send them through. I have looked up on the

748
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.480
website for Texas and Unsolved Killings and it does not

749
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.880
show any other unsolved murders for this time period either.

750
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.119
Well, I know when you mentioned about Webster Street and

751
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:18.400
the position and how much you know, there was X

752
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:22.119
amount of shots and I'm just wondering if that person

753
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:26.519
was a witness to what happened with Joan Webster. That's

754
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:30.039
how my mind thinks, you know, because there was somebody

755
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:35.119
who witnessed Joan Webster getting into a vehicle that and

756
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.119
they were and I'm saying Jack, Jack somehow knew all

757
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:41.760
this information and they were allegedly trying to get her

758
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:46.000
attention to not go into that vehicle, so, you know,

759
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:50.119
and that's what I seeing that it does look like

760
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:54.320
it was Rubbert Abel again and the witness of the

761
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:58.280
composite fits Robert Able to a t including the beard.

762
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.960
So again, you know, this somebody that they're trying to

763
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.320
lead some information that and that's so I'm seeing this

764
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.280
did they see something with what happened with Joean Webster?

765
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.320
Who you know again, we got NASA, a whole bunch

766
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:17.639
of things going on there, the International Telephone and Telegraph

767
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:20.320
Company huge that has something.

768
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:25.159
Where Joan Webster we've already discussed her. Then she's already

769
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:29.760
been killed but gets victims.

770
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:33.480
Yeah, well there was somebody who witnessed her getting into

771
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:37.920
that car. So you know, Robert Abel, who's usually in Texas,

772
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:41.440
was back there. So that.

773
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:46.760
We have we have seen the use of street names

774
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:50.360
as it pertains two different victims, such as oh yeah,

775
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:54.800
and Susan Dagnan on Hollywood Boulevard and Dagnan Boulevard in

776
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:57.880
those murders. So yeah, you're you're not far behind what

777
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:03.360
we know to be a typic for these crimes. I

778
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:05.199
had already read that one. So we're just going to

779
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:08.760
hop on into Jack's probation. So on December first, nineteen

780
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:11.480
eighty three, Jack is signing probation documents, but there's no

781
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:16.559
time frame given for how long. In these particular documents,

782
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:19.119
Jack is paying his spines for the crimes December one,

783
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.559
nineteen eighty three in Sacramento, California, so he obviously is

784
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:24.800
no longer in prison at this point, and we start

785
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:28.480
to see him freely moving around again. They did give

786
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:31.480
him an orientation that was completed at the probation office

787
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.760
on December second, nineteen eighty three, in Sacramento, California. So

788
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:36.920
once again we know he is out because he is

789
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:43.000
now attending probation appointments. That is, on December seventh and

790
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.440
nineteen eighty three, Jack receives the interlocatory judgment for the

791
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:49.960
divorce from Nora. For now, Jack list his home address

792
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.920
for the divorce as twenty one to thirty five Elkhorn Boulevard,

793
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.000
reel Into, California nine five six seven three. Only in

794
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.360
this particular paperwork and on his probation paper do we

795
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.280
see that listed. I don't know that that necessarily means

796
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:07.360
that Jack is actively living there, but I am betting

797
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.719
that he probably had to play or pretend he was

798
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:13.840
living somewhere in the Sacramento area, at least for the

799
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:18.000
purpose of probation. But that doesn't stop people from going

800
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:20.760
places where they shouldn't be going and leaving the state

801
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:22.559
and doing what they want to do, as we've seen

802
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.800
many people actively do even though they were on probation.

803
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:31.079
I also already read that one and that one, and

804
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:33.599
that brings us to May twenty second of nineteen eighty four,

805
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:37.719
the divorce's final from Nora Mary Terrence, and Jack is

806
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:41.440
still showing an address in Rialinda as his place of residence.

807
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.960
Nora is actively showing Garfield Avenue in Sacramento, California at

808
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:49.239
this point in time, and this was confirmed through ancestry

809
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.159
dot com. And I want to say that was probably

810
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.000
done by Sandy Betts. She's done some great research. She's

811
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:58.519
even assisted in plotting out where Jack is and what

812
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:01.559
he has going on in some of the things that

813
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.559
we've done together. So it saddens me to see what

814
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:06.679
I'm seeing that I might have to discount a lot

815
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:09.840
of what has been done there. Maybe why we see

816
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:13.039
the next murders startup is because we've got this triggering

817
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:15.440
point again. And it seems like every time we have

818
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.559
this triggering point, we start to see murders happen again.

819
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:21.440
And the FBI will tell you that usually there is

820
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:26.199
something that triggers a person to need to kill. Maybe

821
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:30.559
it's just idle hands, maybe it's the anger coming from

822
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:34.639
the actual act of the divorce. I'm not sure, but

823
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:37.519
Dennis indicates that not only did Jack make and distribute

824
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.960
methamphetamines during this time, but he frequently drove to Oklahoma,

825
00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:44.320
as we just discussed about the po boxes during the eighties,

826
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:47.199
to pick up marijuana for distribution, and who knows if

827
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:49.440
it was just marijuana. I mean, it seems like a

828
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:53.760
long way to go to pick up marijuana when people

829
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.840
in California have been growing it for years and years

830
00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:58.960
and years and then have to drive back with that.

831
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.000
So I'm wondering if it was it's something a little

832
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.920
bit stiffer, like cocaine or methamphetamines. But then Dennis did

833
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:08.280
indicate that Jack knew how to actively make his own methamphetamine,

834
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:12.159
so probably didn't need to drive to pick those up either. Well,

835
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.519
that puts us back down to our very last minute,

836
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:18.239
and that's before we start jumping back into murders in

837
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:22.159
Texas again, So I'm going to kind of end it there,

838
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.880
all right. Well, then I'm gonna go ahead and just

839
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:27.239
have to sign off with everybody right now. Thank you

840
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:31.199
for being here once again, another amazing show. Everybody, have

841
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:33.880
a wonderful weekend. Happy Easter to you all, and we

842
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:50.559
will see you next Friday. Take care,