Halloween Card, Voigt, and Sad Badge

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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit

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the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. Today
we're going to be talking about the Halloween

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card and some of the caveats to
that card, some of the possible meanings

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to that card. I'm going to
start by welcoming to the show first,

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Nolan del Campo and Harriet Souchet.
Good morning, Good morning. How's it

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going you guys? Oh, I've
lost Harriet's audio, I Hearriett. Good

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morning, Nolanette. I have I
have some solves to send you in a

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net that are going to blow yours, blow your Christmas closing off. What

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are the what are the communications that
it's from. It's apparently Jack reused some

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of the nineteen sixty nine is seventy
ones and then put some code over them,

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so it's it is the bell I
supposed to be the bell like card

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stuff, prap. But it's amazing, It's amazing. Okay. And then

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let's say the other one that is
dated November eighth, nineteen sixty nine,

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but it's actually nineteen seventy four.
He reused some of the older items.

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And you're gonna be just absolutely over
this because I've been Okay, well,

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let's start with what I've got going
on today. I got a tax message

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from my brother while I was in
trial on Tuesday, and he sent me

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a text message that simply said,
I heard California's getting asked to mouthwater And

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I said, what are you talking
about? He said that somehow California.

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Now I did not get a voter's
registration card for this, but he said

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that California has voted in taking our
graywater, our sewage water, and refining

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it and purifying it and giving it
back to us as drinking water. Has

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anybody heard about this? Yeah?
I have in the South Lake about it.

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Really, I'm a little disturbed,
are you guys? Well, we

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already have water that tastes like crap
here in Lake County because of the volcanic

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sewer water that miss the smells the
volcanic water, so we can't drink it.

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So but can you imagine people not
knowing they're drinking somebody else's That's that's

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my that's my question here because he
says that it's actually been going on in

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Texas. But what's that. I
don't think it's actual sewage water. I

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think it's what they call graywater,
which is and what I only have one

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outlet from my house, and that
includes my gray water and my toilet water.

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They do out the same and you're
set, Wow, well, yeah,

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there's only one exit just from the
house, so and you have one

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clean out right in the front of
your house. There's typically some type of

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a cleanout to the main pipe to
the street, and there's only one.

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I definitely need to investigate this one. Have you heard about this? Please

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join us. He's from Texas,
so I thought maybe he'd heard about it,

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But evidently it's been going on in
Texas. I need to do a

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little research. I thought maybe the
gray water too, but then I thought,

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how how do they separate the gray
water from the sewage because I know

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that my sewage is going out the
same pipe that the rest of my water

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is going out to the main line. They're not on separate systems. I

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thought he's out here checked into that
because our shower or separate that they go

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out a different tube. I still
wouldn't want to drink somebody's gray shows gray

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shower water. Still, let's be
treated, you know, for those two

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be in the shower, you have
better quit. Yeah, yeah, all

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right, all right, moving on. I'm gonna have to do some research.

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But I know for sure I did
not vote for this, so please

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nobody blame me. I did get
a YouTube response from a person who I

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think I've heard from before. She's
listed as Kathy Kleine. Have you heard

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that name, Harriet Kathy Kleine.
Uh No, Okay, it couldn't.

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I don't know. Maybe from from
the back in the old message board days.

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You know something familiar there. Well, I know that I've heard her

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story before, so I don't know
if it was her that made contact with

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me that I'm remembering it from,
or if it was something I read somewhere.

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But she shouted out on Dennis's documentary
on YouTube. She said, Dennis,

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we found him. I love that
we found him, but they aren't

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likely to tell you. We knew
for three years. Now, for three

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years, every cipher has been solved. His name was shown in two once

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we cracked everyone, including the remaining
fifteen lines in the Z three forty.

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You should really see what it says. It's all personal data. The answer

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to every cipher is simply that each
one is just another language. Drop into

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Google Translator and you can see for
yourself. I mean, if my thirteen

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year old granddaughter can solve these,
you can too. The wrong methodology had

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been used for fourteen years. Fourteen
years. Gosh, this has been going

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on for forty more. The fifteen
lines in Z three forty was completed and

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the Z thirteen and Z thirty two
ex actual resolved in just over an hour.

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At least the zodiac died knowing he
was not crack proof. He is

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no suspect you were aware of.
He's unknown. He was only in high

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school when he did this. Now, this blanketed, vague, non information

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offering message is to me nothing more
than disinformation. And I'll tell you about

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why. But what do you think
about what they said? You guys,

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it's it's just another attempt to well, Like you said, it's really big

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they don't. They're not telling us
what the solves are. No, I

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had no liking. Go ahead,
Harriet. Yeah, so I'm just saying

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that attempt to twist things, you
know, but uh, I'm finding all

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kinds of ways to Yeah. Yeah, but it's also in my view,

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it is a part of the bullseye, but it's skirting around the bullseye.

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The center of the bullseye seems to
be you know, the g real cipher

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method and antigrammy. I'm getting amazing
details that way. So so the way

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they're kind of right, but they're
not exactly right. I believe that this

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individual is related to the DNA they
believe they found on one of the zodiac

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letters where they stated and I think
that Tom BOYD talked about it too in

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one of his interviews, and it
turned out to be somebody who could not

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possibly have been the zodiac. But
he was a high school student. The

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last time I heard this story,
the gal had indicated that this kid was

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dying of some type of UH disease
or disorder or something, and so they

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felt that they couldn't prosecute or couldn't
bring him for charges, and they didn't

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want to tell anybody who he was, well, of course they're not going

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to bring any charges. He was
too young to have been the zodiac number

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one high school kid committed this crime, nor created these ciphers. And then

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to top it off, to not
give his name, to not give the

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information, to say you should see
what they say and not tell us what

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they say, is just absolutely as
nine in my mind. And this is

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the kind of people that I get
who want to prove to me someone else

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is responsible, but not give us
any proof to make or base our decisions

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off of. So for three years
or I guess back three years ago when

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they tested the DNA and actually made
an identification of this young kid, is

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nothing more reminiscent than what Dennis had
said that Jack was using other people's spit

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to seal envelopes and to lick stamps
and to do things of that nature.

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Now, if I think that if
there's a possibility this kid did actually attribute

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or contribute his saliva to these communications
and it's being kept from the public who

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this individual is, does does that
mean that there could have been a proximity

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to Jack did this? This kid
was either in the same neighborhood or friends

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with Dennis or you know, because
Dennis would have been let's see, he

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would have been too young. But
Jack was hanging out with Danny Reynolds,

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which was he was in high school
at the time. So did this kid

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that they've found the DNA from,
did he actually know Danny Reynolds? Was

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he in proximity? And that's why
we're not being given any information. Wouldn't

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that be in the realm of why
picked the name Kenny Kilgore, a kid

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that was I think older than him, That something happened to Kenny Kilgore,

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that that would be an interesting research, that would definitely make some interesting research.

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Now let's go ahead and say that
they say shown in two once we

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cracked everyone, including the remaining fifteen
lines in the Z three. Now the

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remaining fifteen lines in the Z three
forty I am a little confused about what

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they mean by that. Orangechac believes
he solved the whole thing right using period

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nineteen. It took according to Orangchac, it took sixteen years three men to

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solve the Zodiac cipher light bulb.
So what do you mean the Zodiac light

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bulb? Well, you know the
old joke, is it took three people

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to change a light bulb. Well
him, it took them sixteen seventeen years

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to change the zodiac three forty light
bulb. So it's a hit that it's

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not exactly really bright. But they're
supposed to be code experts, and it

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takes three people from different parts of
the planet to do this. And I

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got the code admissive the ones that
we did the anthrax letters. Jack is

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saying that he did send or in
check through voice website when he was trying

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to come up with the web toy, the founder of the web toy,

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that he sent them the answers and
how to find it and what system to

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use, and lo and behold it
is seventeen eighteen years later, or in

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Zech is working for the FBI cryptography
people and he finds this and says it's

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solved. Woo whoo, yay,
it's solved. So anyways, I love

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how Jack did things and screws people
in death. Well I loved how this

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person then goes on to bash all
of law enforcements, CIA, NSA,

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SSA, WHO, all of these
major you know, organizations that are that

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are built on SPYE and codes and
the ability to bring them and to figure

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them out, and belittles all of
their efforts and training by saying, my

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thirteen year old granddaughter could figure this
out. Ah, that's a huge smack

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in the face for just about every
single person who has worked on this case.

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From I should prove that they knew
Jack Tarred's right there? What was

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that, Nolan? I need to
look into. Yeah, they're just talking

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smack, trying to make themselves look
better. But that's right. If that

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were true, they were given more
details, right, give us the information,

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give us the proof you want us
to believe you. You can't come

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out and say something blanketed like this
and not have anything to back it up.

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All right, let's go to the
presentation because we're gonna get back into

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this Halloween card even though I'm dressed
for Christmas. Oh here, hold on,

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let me get that pose youth,
this this pose this post. Yes,

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okay, isn't it that Dennis says
that this is a jack shot somebody

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he said was a neighbor's dog in
nineteen seventy five. I don't tell you.

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I don't know if I have to
do in this picture, but I

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think you're right because I think I
can date the belongings inside this picture to

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be a mobile home that they were
in circa seventy four seventy five in the

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Roseville area. I believe that would
be when Jack kills Gancanna, who he

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kept on referring to gan Conna as
the as a dog. Huh socause interesting

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big shots in his mouth. He's
killing the dog gan Conna at round seventy

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five. Huh. Well, and
I think you're right. I think this

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is pretty much circa it's actually following
because he's now shaved off his beard or

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he's about to grow beard. I
will time date this because I know that

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I can based on the belongings inside
of it, so I'll see what year

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this is. I have, for
all intentsive purposes, just brought it back

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up to kind of remind people of
who Jack is in general. So Jack

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W. Terrence Junior is in a
frenzy after killing the neighbor's dogs. Like

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Dennis had indicated, there was a
newspaper article that indicated, as psychologist suggested

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that the Zodiac was in a frenzy
when he was stabbing Cecilia Shepherd and Brian

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Hart noew. So this is kind
of running in tandem with he's killed something

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and he's just crazed. He's out
of his mind and definitely in that frenzy.

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The picture was said to have been
commemorating the deed that Jack had just

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committed. And like I said,
Dennis claims Jack was out of his mind

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and had just returned from killing the
neighbor's dogs. I know that this runs

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it. This would be shocking to
most people to hear if this was isolated

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incidences. But I have stories going
way back where Doris Reynolds caught Jack with

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her cat and a pillowcase getting ready
to kill it. Nora's diary says Jack

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accidentally killed her new kitten, and
then per Dennis and Doris, if Jack

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didn't like a family pet, he
simply killed it. He just took it

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out back and killed it. He
did not have any concerns or care for

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for life, for small animals or
otherwise. And we know he was a

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hunter, so he had no problem
killing things, whether he was eating it

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or not. So I wanted to
show another one of those commonalities. And

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yes, is that what you were
looking for? So the left is that

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the front page to the one on
the right, because the right says but

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then why spoil the game? But
yes, okay. So the greeting card

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itself says, from your secret pal, I feel it in my bones you

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ache to know my name, and
so I'll clue you in. But then,

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why spoil the game? Happy Halloween? And then and it's got the

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number four hyphen team, So the
hyphen is definitely a commonality that we've seen

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in many of the writings of the
Zodiac. I wanted to show that connection

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between the communications from one to the
to the next. And we talked about

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the Fairfield letters, which those are. People want to say those are questionable

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Zodiac letters, but and they're not
on the FOIA file as a suspected Zodiac

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correspondence, but it is truly in
my heart I believe based on the evidence

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that they are connected to the Zodiac, and they are from the Zodiac.

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And one of those connections I found
was was the use of the word okay.

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So in the Fairfield letter up here
at the top, he writes,

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I will turn myself in okay.
And then we have a communication that's coming

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up just within months afterwards, and
we see the okay sign being flown by

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the skeleton. So that okay is
what I talk about these small linguistic connect

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actions between communications that make this entire
thing read like a book, and we

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should believe. I mean, in
that Fairfield letter he said I'm going to

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go out for the government government work. I think he already is. I

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think he's just giving us a little
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Either way. The go ahead,
I was gonna say, yeah, he's

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he's he's under mk ultra the spell, and then yeah, eventually he's trying

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to fix that, so exactly well, and it says Jack, Yes,

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the writing and the slaves, Yeah, that's uh. The writing, it

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looks like he went out of his
way to to print differently. Yeah he

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uh. It's like, well,
we're going to take a look at that

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with the capitols and the right Well, we're going to see something here in

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a second, which is where I
believe this motif comes from for this particular

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font. But I wanted to remind
everybody that Jack is a hunter, a

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wrangler, a stalker, a killer, a dresser, a skinner, a

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tanner, and a cook, all
of these things by himself without even being

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the zodiac. And when we look
at the zodiac, the zodiac talks about

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by fire, by gun, by
knife, and by rope. These are

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all things that we know that we
can actually say Jack is also familiar with

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the rope thing. I mean,
we're hearing or reading that. Charles Terrence,

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Jack's son indicated that Jack drove around
with less than three feet three foot

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pieces of rope in his trunk,
which clearly could not tie anything down or

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be of assistants. Obviously a very
strange thing for someone to do. The

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Jack landard was reported added purportedly added
to the card, so it was pasted

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over the top of that. Is
that correct, Harriet, I have information

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on that. That's what got me
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As an adult, I remembered my
brother who was I'll just be really quick.

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He knew how to recreate those.
I know he did the Halloween card.

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He was studying to be a commercial
artist and Robert Graysmith was the top

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commercial artist at the time, and
he apparently showed people how that thing was

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basically what it looked like, what
it created, and my brother recreated one

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of those, because I know he
did one, and including putting the public

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that there was pumpkin puzzle pieces like
that that were loose, and that's how

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come I knew where the by case
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So we're going to talk about that. I just I also liked the

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Jack O lannern because clearly Jack and
all the Jack references Jack Rabbit Lanner.

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Yeah, everything is a Jack reference, it seems like. And I don't

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know if that's just fortuitous or a
coincidence, but it'd be a mighty large

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coincidence considering considering our number one suspect
is Jack. Now this is where I

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found that this information was obtained.
So not only did he use in this

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the Apollo moon landing stamp, which
you've also used in some of your ciphers

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and solves. Correct, Yes,
I did. I just lost my earphone.

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Okay, they can do that.
They can pop out sometimes. Now,

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this was evidently some type of a
comic back in nineteen sixties. Do

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you are you familiar with this comic, Harriet? It looks very familiar stuff.

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See, my brother was also a
comic book enthusiast, and that's where

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the commercial art comes in. So
yeah, this kind of handwriting that's very

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very comic cartoonish. So it looks
like it's supposed to be Dick Tracy.

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Okay, so that's what Nolan just
said. Now it says this is,

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It says this is the wheel itself. It is made up of strange woods

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from Egypt and the far East,
sandalwood and cedar, decorated with opal and

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lapis lazuli. Legend has it that
it was made from King Solomon, the

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ruler of all the jin. Now
you can see here that this wheel contains

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different statements like by gun, death
by gun, death by knife, death

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by fire, death by rope.
So it does contain the four that can

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be seen here. And of course
those are just opposed to the clover,

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the heart, the diamonds. So
here's that gambling or cards, right,

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Like, we're looking at this whole
thing as if this is a gambling wheel.

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Now, the big one shows death
by rope, by water, by

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hands, by knife, by horse, by falling by arrow, by snakes,

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by rope, by water, by
knife, by gun. And if

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you look at the word buy,
can you see those, Nolan, Do

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you see the way the word buy
is, Yeah, that's very similar to

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the words by So either yeah wid
yeah, that yes, that overhanging Why,

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of course I think that this is
literally where he got that theme from

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maybe and then that there's a correlation, right, and so possibly that that

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was all handwritten on that card.
Do you think that was handwritten or printed,

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Harriet, Oh, I think it's
handwritten. That's what I understand.

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That it was a certain type of
ink and handwritten on the card. Okay,

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So that brings me to the symbol. Now, this symbol is one

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of the notorious symbol that people have
been playing with and twentying with and giving

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all kinds of meanings and reasons to. But the bottom line is is that

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we did see in well, I
guess we didn't see that placed over Mount

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Diablo, but that's what people are
assuming this symbol is supposed to mean,

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right, Yeah, a lot of
peoples, Okay, So let's I just

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want to kind of go over a
little bit of this information. But the

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article about a man manipulating another girl's
car is found here in this segment as

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they're making the cross connection to Scherry
Joe Bates and the Bay Area that the

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Zodiac killer they believe moved from Riverside
to the Bay Area and the disabling of

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two girls of a girl's car was
very similar. So I want to read

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some of these articles because these articles
were all positioned. So this one about

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Scherry Joe Bates and the manipulation of
another girl's car is act on the same

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page as this Zodiac killer link to
I'm sorry San Francisco voted delayed on us

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steel job, so I want to
read these articles so that people know what's

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going on. The article about Scherry
Joe Bates says the mysterious Zodiac Killer,

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who claims to have slain at least
five persons in northern California, now has

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been linked with the nineteen sixty six
knife killing of Riverside City College co ed

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in southern California, and the Reneude. Interest in this case has recalled a

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Berkeley incident, which could furnish additional
clues to the identity of the deadly bragger.

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Investigative work by the San Francisco Chronicle
turned up most of the information.

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The actual link was made by Sherwood
Moral. State Crime Bureau handwriting expert Moral

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said that the printing on letters associated
with the killing of Scherry Joe Bates eighteen

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is unquestionably the work of the Zodiac. The girl's auto on campus was sabotaged

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and she was stabbed adap by a
man who apparently lured her away under the

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pre text of offering her a ride. The Berkeley case involves the same method

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of operation and happened about two years
ago. The two girls were offered a

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ride by a man, but they
said they had their own car. They

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drove to a snack bar on Telegraph
Avenue. Now mind you, Jack has

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relation to Telegraph Avenue, and when
they came out less than an hour later,

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their auto would not start. The
same man who had offered them a

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ride earlier then started to help them
push the small auto down the street.

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Another Berkeley man stopped to assist.
The stranger apparently became irritated by the intrusion

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and sped off in his car.
It was later found that the distributor cap

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had been ripped from the girl's auto. This is the same thing that was

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done to the Bates auto in Riverside. There is the possibility that the Berkeley

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girls could furnish additional clues to the
mysterious stranger, although moral is certain.

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The Zodiac notes sent to the Bay
Area newspapers were written by the same person

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who penned the strange message discovered on
the Riverside campus investigators say that does not

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prove that the writer killed the Baits
girl. One message was scratched on a

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library study desk in the Riverside City
College Library. Later, notes signed Z

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were sent to a newspaper, police
and the girl's father, saying Bates had

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to die. There will be more. So, yes, definitely the thing,

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Yes, they're definitely they're not calling
these number two's at the bottom of

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the Baits letters. They're saying they
were z's. So there is a what's

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that He's the Department of Justice handwriting
expert in Sacramento, Is that correct?

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Correct? Yes, yes, yes
he was. He was the state Crime

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Lab handwriting expert that handled a majority
of the communications. So it seemed to

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me that he happened to be the
number one and that sometimes sometimes when they

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questioned it, they'd send it to
someone else. They got people from the

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post office involved, and then of
course that the person from the post office

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came back and said, no,
they're not a match. Let's just bifurcate

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all these things. That doesn't shock
me. Would that have been Warren Andrews,

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I don't know. I would have
to go what his name was?

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Warren Andrews? The US Postal Service
attorney lawyer, not attorney anyway. So

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Menda's street in nineteen seventy five,
Wait until you see what I got on

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him lately, right, amazing?
Now, okay, so go on.

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So when when I was reading this
article, I then glanced over and I

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saw SF vote delayed on US Steel
job. That triggered in my brain being

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just opposed to the Zodiac action that's
happening in the Bay area. I thought

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to myself, this is crazy because
the FBI has indicated that this particular symbol

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was a symbol that was used on
steel beams for US Steel. Jack was

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an employee at one point in time
of US Steel, even as late as

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nineteen seventy two. We can see
right here that he is still a part

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of the boiler Makers Union, which
is a steel union, and it's out

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of Livermore. So Livermore, California
is our Bay area. I drive through

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this all the time on my way
to San Jose. So we can actually

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support and show that Jack is still
part of what is going on in the

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steel industry. Now, I want
to read you the article about this because

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I'm not sure maybe this is exactly
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Who knows, but it says.
The San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted

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six to four yesterday to delay for
ninety days a decision on the waterfront height

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limit controversy involving the proposed US Steel
building. The decision ended a tumultuous day

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during which more than two thousand members
of building and construction trade unions picketed the

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city hall during the noon hour,
urging that the work making project be approved.

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US Steel seeks a five hundred and
fifty foot height limit for its multimillion

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dollar structure. Before the board yesterday
was the recommendation of the supervisors Planning and

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Development Committee for one hundred and seventy
five foot height limit for the area south

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of the Ferry Building. Supervisor Ronald
Pelosi, Good lord, we're talking about

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back in the sixties. This man
is still around. Ronald Pelosi, chairman

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of the committee, called the vote
a major blow. We had a solid

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ordinance and it has been torpedoed.
So I'm thinking that what he's meaning there

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is that even though they had a
solid ordinance for a height limit, that's

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been torpedoed because they're going to actually
vote on whether or not US Steel can

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come in and build a five hundred
and fifty foot structure. He termed the

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reason given by some supervisors. Hold
on, he termed the reason given by

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some supervisors for seeking the del waiting
for a waterfront economic study. Now,

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I'm pretty sure that these particular articles
are our circa nineteen seventy because that's when

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the connection started to be made between
Paul Averly and the Riverside area, when

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he went down and indicated that he
believed there was a connection between the authors

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of the two communications. So this
is going to be somewhere around the seventies.

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Yeah, it's uh, well,
I think it's before Nancy Pelosi moves

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out this way and becomes, you
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Well, either way, I thought
that was an extremely interesting part of

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politics that's being played. And to
find both of these articles about the zodiac

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and the fear that he's trying to
instill at the same time with something that

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is going on, not only with
a industry that Jack is a part of,

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a company that he was an employee
of, and in the same area

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in which all of the the fears
being had by the San Francisco Examiner and

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Chronicle by publishing all of these things. So is this the distraction? I

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always like to say that there's some
distraction going on when they're trying to get

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away with something over here. They
want us to look smoke screen, smoke

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screen. So is the zodiac of
smoke screen for exactly this that's going on?

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And that's why we're seeing this still
being emblem coming up and popping up

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on things like the Halloween card.
Big questions. Mm hmmm. Another one

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of those communication connections is these particular
stamps. And I think you probably know

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more about these, Harriet than I
do, but you had indicated that these

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stamps had been found or had been
sent inside of the Halloween card. That's

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what I got. Is one of
the other complex decode is add to what

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I did to the Halloween card,
and it has to do with the Swindles.

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And Jack was saying that he's the
who shot the Swindles at least one

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of them, mainly because of their
involvement with I think the gun that was

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used to kill JFK. At least
one of the guns. There's I believe

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four guns, and he's alleging that
one of the Swindles helped submit that gun

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to kill JFK. Gotcha. So
the background on these two particular stamps is

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they are Valentine's Day stamps, and
we know in the Swindles murder there was

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a box of chocolates or Valentine's Day
chocolates opened and laying there next to the

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crime scene. They had assumed that
that was either something the Swindles had themselves

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because they were celebrating the Valentine's Day, or that that was something that was

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left behind by the killer. They
were not sure who to attribute it to.

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It would be interesting to know whether
or not they still had that in

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possession, and that was something they
could run DNA on to see whose fingerprints

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were on it. But it is
believed by you that these particular stickers came

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out of that box of the Swindles
and then was then placed in the Halloween

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card and sent to Paul Avery Avery
Ay tell. Part of to create the

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story is of what's going on,
why this is all being done, and

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to remind people that they're on some
kind of mission to bring down those who

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killed. The Kennedys all elaborate well
in this thinking of you statement from the

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Swindles is also a crossover to ve
Winovitch, who is another politician who lost

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a daughter during the middle of his
campaign for his position. He receives a

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greeting card stating thinking of you too, And we've talked about some of that

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handwriting. It is definitely showing a
match. So I think that that's another

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cross connection between communications. Now,
this Halloween card was sent October twenties or

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received October twenty seventh, nineteen seventy. The greeting card was to Paul Avery

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of the San Francisco Chronicle. We
just discussed or I read off what it

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was that was in this particular communication. But the backside of the card actually

405
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:14.800
talks about paradise, and that's where
we get to see again paradise misspelled with

406
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:19.800
the c The list of how he
kills. The inside of the greeting card

407
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:24.159
has communication connections to the word boo. He likes to use the word boo.

408
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:31.760
He's claiming fourteen victims or fourteen's,
although there's a number fourteen inside the

409
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.320
hand that says okay. So when
the number fourteen on the inside of the

410
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.119
card is consistent with the number on
the outside of the card, I'm going

411
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:44.639
to state that this is the number
of victims at this point in time,

412
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:50.840
he's claiming fourteen of them. The
insigna the insignia, and I don't know

413
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:54.480
why I write yet, right,
Yeah, I mean, let's just go

414
00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:00.679
for the simple aspect of it.
The z insignia. There's the zote fourteen

415
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:05.559
victims, and that plays right into
coming after the thirteenth victim card, coming

416
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:10.400
after the twelfth victim card. So
sorry, No. Cipher's criss crossed on

417
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:15.559
the backside, which is almost could
be an indication because they are inverted and

418
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.880
crossed over each other as they pass
through and they meet up in the center

419
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:28.159
almost kind of does allude to that
diagonal system of decode decoding the three forty,

420
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.920
which is what Orangehak believes he's done
with the period nineteen. It's done

421
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:38.480
in a diagonal manner. Address to
Paul Averley sent to the San Francisco Chronicle.

422
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:43.199
He uses fifth in mission, which
is another one of those connections.

423
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.559
I said that you can find between
the Fairfield letters, the Apollo stamp for

424
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:51.719
the moon landing reference, and then
the steel emblem found in the return address.

425
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:55.400
Many attempts at decoding, and Lauren
Sweringham probably has the best solve for

426
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:59.440
this emblem, but I don't know
that I could find Do you recall what

427
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:04.719
his soul was that he thought it
looked like? And I was agreeing.

428
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.880
I said, oh my god,
because I've been to Daley Plaza. It's

429
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:14.239
it's Dally Plaza. In the four
posts, I think there's wow. Yeah,

430
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.639
so the so I think that that's
what he had. Then he also

431
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:22.519
noticed that it kind of that it
seemed to fit, uh, South Lake

432
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:28.920
Tahoe, the positions and four posts
and lamps if I remember right, an

433
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.519
intersection. Even I wish I could
find that. I don't recall it.

434
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:35.760
I mean, I obviously knew about
it because I had it in my presentation,

435
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:37.400
but I couldn't find it anywhere.
So I'm gonna have to go look

436
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.320
through my things and see if that's
anything I can find. Or you said

437
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:45.119
he put out a new book,
right, yeah, and I'm gonna want

438
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:50.280
to get a little more funds.
I maybe having someone's coming in anyways,

439
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.880
thanks to Megan Walsh. Shout out
to Megan Walls, she's watching, by

440
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:58.639
the way, see the things I
gotta say. But anyways, yeah,

441
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:00.840
he did come up with that,
and I also wanted to quickly say and

442
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:08.000
I think Nolan will get this crossfire. Jim Maher's book called Crossfire, Jack

443
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:14.320
is even saying in quoting that there
was the four shooters, which was the

444
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:22.199
position of the crossfire of the hit
JFKA. In the movie Executive Action,

445
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:27.239
they talked about triangulation of fire.
So you're shooting from different directions front,

446
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.559
backside, and yeah, I think
right, there was at least three shooters,

447
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:42.960
maybe four. Yeah, so that's
the cross and that the last came

448
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.559
from behind the grassy level, behind
the fence on the grassy holl, So

449
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:51.679
it was from the front. It
wasn't from the back. But if they

450
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.760
were crossfiring, and it would be
on purpose so that people couldn't tell which

451
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:59.760
direction the bullets were coming from,
right, I think I can tell you

452
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:06.519
that as much because I've been there
two times. Toash plumb Lee said that

453
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:12.440
there were shooters shooting obviously at JFK, but there were also shooters trying to

454
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:17.400
shoot the shooters. That there was
a number of possibly twelve shots fired,

455
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:22.800
but it was the multiple hits that
did get JFK the But the like,

456
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:27.079
like Nolan said, it came from
the front, the one that really got

457
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:31.199
him. Well, and you have
to surmise that with security not being privy

458
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:37.480
to what was happening, not and
the one directly in the front, yes,

459
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.239
well, and so what I was
so, what I was thinking is

460
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.880
is that not everybody can be in
the know. Not everybody, not all

461
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.719
of the security could know what was
happening that day. There may have been

462
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:53.480
one or two that were very well
aware of what was about to happen,

463
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:57.639
and they stood back and out of
the way to ensure that JFK could be

464
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.639
shot, But not everybody could be
in on it, because otherwise it would

465
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:05.000
not go over very well and the
secret would have been told. So you

466
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:12.119
would have had security who were likely
attempting to let me silence this, that

467
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:19.840
were likely attempting to actually save shoot
back and save the president and anybody else

468
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.639
that was in that motorcade. Well, this brings me to this Jack pumpkinhead

469
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:28.679
of OZ. Now we can see
that the zero sign up here with the

470
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.559
Z in the middle of it is
something similar to Suspect zero, which is

471
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:38.559
which is a definite relation. Like
I said, I think Suspect zero is

472
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:45.159
basically a story of the Zodiac's life, but it does have Jack once again

473
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:52.599
and the strange thing about this.
It's an extremely expensive book. It's published

474
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:57.719
circa nineteen forties by a Chicago,
Illinois publishing firm, some ghost patron.

475
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.400
So, like I tell you guys, all the time, people hop up

476
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:04.440
out of nowhere. They're totally anonymous. They drop information like this off on

477
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.400
me, and then they run off
before they can explain it and tell me

478
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.800
what it's about. So this individual
shows up, gives me this book and

479
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.480
says that I need to research it. So, he says, he asked

480
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:19.159
if I'd ever seen it. I
said, I'm not sure just yet what

481
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.920
the patron was attempting to show me. But this is a very expensive children's

482
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.480
book. Since it is so old, I need to do some research and

483
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:30.119
library work on it see if I
can't come up with at least a readable

484
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:35.280
version of it without having to purchase
it. But have you ever seen this

485
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:42.159
book before, either of you?
It looks like something I have noticed.

486
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:49.119
The bombs I was just going to
say, at Boyce Boy's sites and many

487
00:41:49.199 --> 00:42:04.800
subsets of Frank Alfred Baum. Right
anyway, the bomb famous children's author Oh

488
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:09.280
barm is at b A r U
M. It's a little pixel in.

489
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:15.719
Yeah, I'm gonna need to figure
out if I can't get a hold of

490
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:17.719
this. And I'm not sure why
the person decided that I needed to see

491
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:21.239
this, but I think that it
is interesting and I do want to do

492
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:25.000
some research on it. But again
back to the Jack pumpkinhead, So I'm

493
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:29.800
getting that whole Jack reference again by
a little you know, I'm gonna call

494
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:32.840
them elves that want to drop and
sprinkle little bits of information but not really

495
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.280
give me what it is that I'm
looking for. So hopefully, hopefully somebody

496
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.239
will see this and will make some
sense out of it for me, because

497
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:43.239
I have enough research to do in
this, but I will eventually get to

498
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:47.000
it. That brings me to the
Paradise Motel in South Lake Tahoe. We've

499
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:52.719
discussed many times that I believe that
the indication of Paradise was not literally meant

500
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:57.960
to sound like some type of colt
and Paradise and slaves, but that it

501
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.679
was actually the location that Jack was
moving to and he was letting his handlers

502
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:07.679
know that through these communications. So
in finding the Paradise Motel, Harriet and

503
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:15.199
I have been here right and at
the point in time, right at that

504
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:20.800
point in time, you cannot see
the circle roundabout that Harriet and I visited

505
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.679
because of new buildings that have been
up been put up since the nineteen seventies.

506
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:29.480
However, I did actually map out
and show what it looks like.

507
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:36.079
Here's that E section. I believe
that could also relate to the soul that

508
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:40.920
Laurence Rainhaan had in regards to the
Damolass. It has that e kind of

509
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:46.559
look that he was talking about,
but he positioned that over the Sahara Casino

510
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:52.440
versus putting it over the top of
the Paradise Motel. Now right here in

511
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:55.880
the center, this is the roundabout. This used to actually be the thoroughfare

512
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:01.440
through South Lake Tahoe into North Lake. You would transition this is about at

513
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:06.440
the east state line, like you
had mentioned, right Harriet, Yeah,

514
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:08.639
yep. So I wanted everybody to
kind of see this. So in this

515
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.760
round about her two boulders. When
Harriet and I got there, there was

516
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.039
not only a dead jack rabbit laying
at the base of it, but the

517
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:20.079
second she placed flowers up there for
Dona last, because it was her impression

518
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:24.039
that Donna Lass and Hoffa were encased
in these boulders. Here those flowers blew

519
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.840
away the second she set them on
the boulders and there is no win.

520
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:34.480
And there was no win, like
like, hail, know that these are

521
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:40.559
flowers? I don't know. Now, I want everybody to know. What's

522
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:47.719
that? What'd you say? No
one? Did someone know that you guys

523
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:52.360
were on your way there? I
they left the dead rabbit for you guys,

524
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:57.159
and the donal last stuff too.
Yeah, it was kind of ironic.

525
00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.320
I was like, is that a
sign? I don't even know this

526
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.039
means? Right? And a fresh
dead jack rabbit, like he wasn't degraded

527
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.400
by any means. He was freshly
dead at that boulder. Now, when

528
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.920
you stand in this roundabout section here
and you go straight north, at this

529
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.119
point, you are actually going to
run past one building that is right here.

530
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:22.079
You can see the flat top you
get over here where the rooflines vary,

531
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:27.719
and this is actually the Douglas County
Law Enforcement Office, so they have

532
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:32.599
a straight view from their window to
this particular position right here of this roundabout.

533
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.239
Now they have discontinued the use of
this roundabout, so now you can

534
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:40.000
see that the thoroughfare actually comes to
the left. You no longer have to

535
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:45.679
make that trek through to where the
roundabout is you can just simply bypass it.

536
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.920
So we had to literally navigate our
way into finding this roundabout because they've

537
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:59.199
really tried to push everybody out and
around that entire section. I also did

538
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:07.599
find a connect action to a Paradise
Hotel and casino. This is literally in

539
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:12.719
let me see, where's this one
at Paradise Hotel casino? Doctor? Okay,

540
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.679
so this one's in Peoria, Illinois, so taking us back. Yes,

541
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:20.559
sorry, Illinois. I know Reno
would kill me right now if you

542
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:24.119
heard me. Use that s at
the end Illinois, Peoria, Illinois.

543
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:30.480
There is also a Paradise Hotel has
a very interesting backstory in regards to it.

544
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.480
It is not too far, I
want to say it was about It

545
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:37.960
looks like two hours and twenty two
minutes away from the Edgewater crime scene of

546
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:45.239
the lipstick killings and where I believe
that Jack had proximity too through a He

547
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:49.880
had an address in his stuff that
led us back to the same area within

548
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:54.119
about seven minutes of the lipstick killing. And she was definitely their circle of

549
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:59.920
the nineteen fifties, so we know
that she likely since she was a h

550
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:04.639
trin and set up housing for military
men who were coming through. She had

551
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:08.079
definitely been there for many years.
All right, Well that drops us down

552
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:13.199
to our very last minute, you
guys, we will come back and talk

553
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:19.679
about the Chicago Paradise Hotel also spelled
exactly the same way with the gambling,

554
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.880
meaning to what we see in South
Lake Tahoe. Is there anything either of

555
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:30.639
you would like to ask or add? Yes, I just want to say

556
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:37.480
Christmas everybody, and Jack, we're
both what's that say that again? Illinois?

557
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:44.360
Prior to transplaying to Love both the
Black Dahlia and Jack were in Illinois

558
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:51.079
before they went to La Correct and
Black Dahlia traveled back with who she claimed

559
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.840
to be a Jack, who was
a photographer, who was or maybe even

560
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:58.920
portraying being a photographer, because she
was portraying, I guess being a reporter

561
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:05.599
so she could get into the Bill
Hyron's trial. So she was very interested

562
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:07.760
in what was going on, almost
as if she even had some inside information.

563
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.599
Why would she take such an interest
in a case unless she knew something

564
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:16.400
and then was subsequently killed because she
talked too much. Either way, you

565
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.000
were right, it is ten fifty. It is time for us to go.

566
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.159
Merry Christmas to you guys, Merry
Christmas to everybody else, have a

567
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:28.800
wonderful week and we'll see you next
Friday. Thank you guys, Christmas Nolan,

568
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:52.800
Mary Christmas did. Merry Christmas everyone,