Episode 95: “My Name Is” Cipher and Solves

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True seekers, Welcome back to another
episode of Hit the Road Jack Finding

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the Zodiac. Today we have with
us a guest, Nolan del Campo and

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Harriet Souchet. I'd like to say
hello and good morning to both of you.

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Good morning, Yes, good morning
Nolan. Oh have we lost Harriet?

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I'm still here? Can you hear
me? Oh? You're here.

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I'm here somewhere. I'm in the
the ether world of the cyberspace. Okay,

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good morning to you. How are
you doing? Oh? Doing fine?

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This I believe this is going to
be an interesting show because we're going

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to be covering I think it said
that my name is Saul. Then I'm

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just rereading the older book and this
is something that we're going to blow people

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away with. Well, I'm gonna
I want to at least finish up.

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I did not finish at least two
slides for the Kathleen John's information. I

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wanted to get out there, but
I'm going to finish up with that real

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quick. And then we're immediately stepping
right into my name is so to where

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we left off was the stop?
Suddenly the car screeched almost to a stop.

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The would be killer had almost driven
the wrong direction onto a Freeway X

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exit ramp. Miss John saw her
chance and took it. She grabbed Jennifer,

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leaped from the accelerating car, and
ran deep into a field, where

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she finally threw herself on top of
Jennifer so she could hold the baby quiet

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into an irrigation ditch. It says
that the slaying from there she could see

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hold on, let me close that
you can see a stranger a flashlight in

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hand, trying to find her.
After a while, he got back in

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his car and drove slowly off.
So again that almost even contradicts some of

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the information she had given to the
original police officer, who said who she

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told? He just drove away,
So now it looks like he actually searched

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for her again. All of this
happening very fast and somebody's traumatized mind would

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have been forgotten. It says this, It says escaped victim identified the sketch.

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Asked that night to describe the stranger, Miss Johns gave police her estimate

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of his age, height, weight
and hair coloring. Then her eyes drifted

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to a station bulletin board and she
screamed out, Oh my God, that's

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him, that's him right there.
It was a wanted poster with an artist's

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sketch of Zodiac. It had been
distributed statewide by San Francisco police after the

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October tenth, nineteen sixty nine slaying
of cab driver Paul Stein, which Zodiac

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proved was his doing by mailing a
bloody swatch of the victim's shirt to the

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chronicle. The picture was based on
accounts of eyewitnesses who saw Zodiac flee the

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Presidia Heights murder scene. To the
description police released then see accompanying photo.

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Miss Johns remembers these details about Zodiac
and his car. His chin had traces

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of palkmarks, such as can be
caused by acne. He was wearing a

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dark blue nylon windbreaker style jacket over
dark blue or black woolen bell bottom pants.

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Again, that's a that's a description
that's been used before in the Zodiac

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case, correct, m yep,
yep, he's working at that point,

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right. His shoes, he's in
uniform. He's in Zodiac uniform. He

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says he looks different because every time, yeah, his shoes and her words

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were spit shined the high glass black, reflecting the interior light of the car.

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He wore black thick rimmed glasses held
tightly on his head by a thin

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band of elastics, such as glasses
wearing athletes and some working men us.

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Now, I think that we talked
with Dennis about that, and those type

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of glasses were used in his in
in Jack's field, correct, when he

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was working on machinery and things,
to assure that it didn't fall off his

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head. Yep. Atomic energy,
You know you needed that your glasses on

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if you only had wooden gun eye. So yeah, if he's leaning forward,

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yeah, you don't want that fall
it off, right, yep.

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It says he spoke in a monotone
with no noticeable accent. The car was

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a late model American made a light
colored two door with black bucket seats between

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which was a sporty console style automatic
transmission gear shift. At the front end

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of the console was an ashtray,
in which on the right hand side was

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a built in cigarette lighter. The
car, bearing the old California license plates,

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was messy. Clothes and papers were
scattered on the dashboard and on both

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the front and back seats, mostly
men's clothing, but also some smaller patterned

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T shirts, such as a child
of eight to twelve years old might wear.

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The only thing I could think about
that is, do you think he

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was into twelve at that time though, because he's getting he's going to California

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Youth Authority for a robbery here shortly, and she didn't guess to guess it

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well, But it's hard to also
guess the size of a shirt belonging to

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an age of a child, because
I know some big children that wear big

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clothes who were super young in age, and vice versa. You know big

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older kids or small older kids that
are still wearing a size equivalent to a

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twelve year old because they're just not
big kids. Yea, yeah, yeah,

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either way, we know that there
are children in his life. On

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both ends on the dashboard were a
couple of colored plastic scouring pads and also

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a black rubber grip flashlight. You
if any of these details about Zodiac have

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ever been made public before. At
the time, the news media figured wrongly

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she'd made a mistake in identifying the
Bay Area killer as the man who followed

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her from Modesto, and the story
was largely ignored. Police, however,

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feel that that she feels she did
meet with and escaped from the Zodiac.

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They based this on a thorough examination
of the details of her story. So

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now and also it says because of
a Zodiac letter received by the Chronicle in

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which he bragged about his near miss
and the fact that he'd gone back to

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miss John's sabotage car and burned it
to the ground. When police found the

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station wagon, it had indeed been
set afire. And this was literally,

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I want to say. They said
an hour and a half maybe after they

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had spoke with Kathleen John's about the
abduction, that they went to look for

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a car and found it burnt.
So he immediately after not fighting her,

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went back and burnt her car.
Now that brings us the name evidence.

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I think he was getting rid of
evidence for some reason, for good or

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for bad. But that's usually how
you get rid of evidence or make it

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something anyway, his hand would have
been on he'd beat with her tire right

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right, So yeah, and that
means fingerprints could possibly have been left.

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He went back to make sure that
there was no evidence left, and he

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burnt the car. One of the
naysayers on here really kind of shocked me

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when I was doing the research that
came out and said that. Over the

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next few days, San Francisco's major
newspapers, the Chronicling and Examiner, ran

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stories on the incident. On seven
twenty four, seventy, Zodiac mailed a

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letter to the Chronicle, apparently taking
credit for the crime. Zodiac victim.

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This case is a mess. First
of all, while John's claim her life

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was threatened, the police report tells
a different story, which we just talked

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about. In fact, of the
three reports I've read, none details any

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statements by John's about being threatened in
any way. And even though Zodiac wrote

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a letter in a parent reference to
the incident, he uncharacteristically failed to provide

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the details that would have clearly established
his involvement their conclusion. Credibility is a

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big issue regarding Kathleen John's discrepancies in
her versions of events. Positively, identifying

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numerous suspects as are alleged abductor and
marrying a convicted murderer don't help her car.

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The logical answer to John's ordeal is
that Zodiac was merely taking credit for

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the deeds of another who. I
thought that that was highly interesting to state,

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because let's remember the La Times letter
about the Riverside activity. It came

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years after the murder. I find
it hard to believe that an author would

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write to include activity that, if
he was found, could support a conviction

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for many more murders than he really
did. If he was just trying to

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take credit for crimes, it doesn't
make any sense. And we also were

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going to see in this next letter, though, what's that sells newspapers?

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Though it sells newspapers? Though,
yes it does, Yes it does.

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And to say that that the Zodiac
has lied and is taking credit for crimes

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he didn't commit is really kind of
an oxymoron, or at least it's adverse

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to this next letter we're going to
talk about, which is my name is

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letter and in which case he is
actively stating that he's not responsible for a

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crime and he didn't want to be
attributed to it, so the two don't

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go hand in hand. One minute, I'm taking responsibility for things I didn't

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do, and the next minute I'm
saying, please don't include me in this

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one. Right, Yes, So
this is the letter scene he was under.

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It's almost as if the Wade Kathleen
John's describes it in the police report.

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Monotone, you know, like robotics
sort of, you know, very

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quiet. It's like he's under a
spell, you know, And that's what

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I'm seeing a lot of lately.
He's definitely and this is what my name

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is Cipher is going to say about
MK Ultra, you know, right,

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And we know that that is mind
control. We know that remote viewing and

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requires a certain amount of hypnosis.
The z thirteen My Name is Cipher was

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received April twentieth of nineteen seventy.
It is included on the list of validated

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document or communications from the Zodiac Killer, and it has indicated that they the

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envelope was processed for DNA and found
a few cells. So we'll read this

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letter for everyone real quick mailed to
the editor of the San Francisco Chronicle,

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San Francisco, California, with editor
written probably on the other side of the

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envelope as well. It says,
this is the Zodiac speaking. By the

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way, have you cracked the last
sipher I sent you? My name is

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and he includes a whole new code. I am mightily serious as to how

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much money you have on my head
now. I hope you do not think

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that I was the one who wiped
out that blue Mini with a bomb at

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the cop station. Even though I
talked about killing school children with one.

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It just wouldn't do to move it
in on someone else's territory. But there

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is more glory in killing a cop
than a kid, because a cop can

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shoot back. I have killed ten
people to date. It would have been

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a lot more, except that my
bus bomb was a dud. I was

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swamped out by the rain we had
a while back. I believe that this

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is his little image. This is
the second bus bomb that likely came with

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that particular letter where he was trying
to discover or at least let everybody else

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know what it was he had in
store. The new bomb, he says,

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is set up like this, So
this indicates a bomb different than I

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think the first bus bomb. So
he's now saying the first one's swamped out.

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Here's my new one. Sunlight in
the early morning is going to trigger

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a string of bombs, and he
says A and B are photo electric switches.

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And by the way, switches here
is spelled like twitch in Cherry Joe

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Bates confession letter, which is missing
the tee. When sunbeam is broken,

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A closes, circuit B opens,
which makes B the cloudy day disconnect,

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so the bomb won't go off by
accident. Ps. I hope you have

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fun trying to figure out who I
killed. And he's used the word figure

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out in the Atlanta, Georgia murders
when he says, if you people figured

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out who's killing these righting? Figure
out? Yeah? So somebody recapping right

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right? He does, He recaps
and he and he pulls in those connections

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at a later date. So what
I have for this particular communication is is

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have you cracked? Later we're going
to hear that he's cracked proof. So

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this whole have you cracked my cipher? Is a running theme. The A

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N code actually equals thirteen letters,
which equals the the Jack W. Terrence,

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which is also thirteen letters. How
much money do you have on my

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head? Of course he's concerned about
what you know, and this might be

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why he's putting in these solves,
like you're saying, Harriet, that he's

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scared that he's going to be killed
or picked off for not being useful anymore,

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and he's wanting more work to keep
himself alive. You have to keep

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away from the trigger, right,
Yeah, amazing when I'm what I keep

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seeing. But the well my name
is Cipher is just it's a lot of

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people know. But you know you're
you're going to You're going to start laying

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the foundation founding of right right.
No, the Zodiac says he will not

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be blamed or trake credit for another
person's crime. We see this in a

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confession letter much later as well.
So he is saying this for some some

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benefit to someone. Why would he
take credit for an abduction he didn't commit,

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and why would he have to put
into a communication to somebody that he

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didn't blow someone up with a bomb. He talks about killing a cop follow

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up to the Fairfield letters and the
Bleeding Knife letters where it indicates that he's

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going to kill a cop. He
killed ten people to date, so from

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letter from from the letter that claimed
seven the victims that I had that I

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thought were good possibility were Eva Blau, Marie Anstey, and Judith Hakari,

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so these are highly likely to have
been as victims, though that actually leaves

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out things like Leona Roberts and Elaine
Davis. So either he he is not

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keeping his count true or he's not
killing as many people as the Mystery of

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the Zodiac would like to include on
him. But he does say that the

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bus bomb was swamp swamped out by
the rain, and here's my new version

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that kind of brings the Swearingham stuff, which swearing him worked with us on

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a couple of the other solves,
in which case he's also indicating that Jack

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wants more work, that he's done
with this with the mk Ultra, that

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he's quit using the meds that they
were that they had him on, or

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the drugs let's call it, let's
not call it meds. I'm sure that's

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what they'd like to believe. But
he says that the Z thirteen code solution,

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primary, secondary tertiary, and quorterinary
messages. The primary message solution shown

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below is essentially the solution provided by
Harriet Souchet, with some details and commentary

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added by the author of this website. The secondary tertiary and quordinary quordinary messages

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were decoded by the author of this
website, so he said. On a

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side note, some good questions were
raised if the shown so called encircled torus

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symbols, which are relatively low resolution, are indeed close enough in resolution to

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original symbols in order to enable accurate
decoding. This would be important since a

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slight modification of the symbols would determine
which letters of the alphabet could be traced

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or not traced. However, regardless
whether or not the shown torus symbols are

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close enough to those in the originally
received letter, and they may or may

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not be, it does not change
the essence of the solution shown below,

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That is that the letters of C, JC, and W can be traced

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out even with a potentially degraded copy
of the original encircled tourist symbols. So

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cee end of page for sketch details. Have that here on the presentation where

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we're showing you where he has actually
moved these things around. He says,

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although at first glanced, the above
three encircled so called tours symbols appear to

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be identical and hence should represent the
same decoded value in reality, the interiors

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of the symbols are slow slightly different, but different enough to be of significance.

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The interiors and exteriors of the encircled
tourist symbols represent traceable letters of some

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of the alphabet, but not all
of the alphabet, hence resembling a word

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game that a child played or that
children play. In the case below,

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the letters J, C, K
were generated by photoshop pixel removal of the

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original associated tourist symbols, and see
the end of the page for the sketch

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details. So basically, what he's
done is he's taken these tours symbols and

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he's been able to trace out the
J, the C, and the W

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from those, and that literally helped
him to come up with the message Jack

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W my name the zodiac. So
that final symbol there at the end.

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Now, I saw that you had
fourteen symbols in your solve, and I

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want to see what did how many
we have four? Seven, twelve?

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He had thirteen. So I don't
know if you got that fourteenth one from

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the additional zodiac symbol at the I
don't think there was Nope, there wasn't

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an additionals odacid one. How did
you one, two, three, four,

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five, six seven eight nine,
ten eleven. I think it's thirteen.

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Wait two three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine,

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ten eleven, twelve thirteen. So
you're saying I got fourteen. Let's

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see. Well, look when we
get there, we're almost there. I

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was just noticing the difference that I
referred to thirteen. He referred to thirteen,

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and then we'll look at yours.
So he was able to get the

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secondary, the tertiary, and the
quordinary messages that came out Jack and not

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with Cia men Cia making me not
JW and two John A Cia mku man.

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These are the words that he came
up with in anagramming out this particular

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coded message. So the primary message, yeah, yeah, so this is

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the one that actually came up with
the saw for the location of the Dona

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Lass's remains that they used on the
History channelum docuseries The Hunt for the Zodiac.

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So all this hyper hearing about this
guy that just recently made the solve

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of the three forty cipher Orange Chak, he's working with this group of individuals

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who actually were using and following swearing
themselves to some degree in their original in

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their docuseries, which I thought was
extremely interesting. Go ahead, Well he

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got the he got the code keys
from uh what Dennis had showed me that

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Jack had said that Dennis he got
the but he got these code keys symbols

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from me, and he just right
exactly I didn't know. It's that he

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gives you credit right here at the
beginning. The primary message solution was shown

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below and is essentially the solution provided
by Harriet Soouschet, with some details and

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commentary added by the author of this
website. So he did give you credit

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for the initial figuring out how to
work those tourus signs that Dennis showed you,

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that Jack showed Dennis. So he
basically goes on to explain the generated

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name of Jack W. Is consistent
with the known Zodiac Killer suspect John Jack

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W. Terrence. The generated name
of Jack W is also consistent with,

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and to some degree arguably confirms,
the Jack Terrence name generated from the three

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forty cipher solution. The seven thirteen
solution does not necessarily mean that Jack W.

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Terrence is the Zodiac Killer. It
just means that he is alluding to

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he is the Zodiac Killer. Probably
intended enough ambiguity in this word game just

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enough to leave a legitimate clue,
but not enough to be considered evidence leading

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to a capture and conviction. The
secondary message here is consistent with the secondary

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messages generated in the Z eighteen and
Z thirty two messages. Here are the

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zodiac symbols or here the zodiac symbols
represent an O with a T based on

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top of it. The tertiary message
here, Jack Terrence is probably referring to

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the CIA mk Ultra program, which
we heard in earlier solves from both Swearing

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Them and from Harriet. This tertiary
message is consistent with other Zodiac to coded

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tertiary messages, and the coordinary message
the John being addressed here is consistent with

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the John being addressed in the Z
thirty two and Z three forty code solutions.

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So he's finding that these are actually
criss crossing and matching back and forth

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with other solves, which kind of
gives them credibility. The mk Ultra program

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is mentioned here in abbreviated format,
so now you can kind of see here

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where he actually shows you how he
worked out those images from within the actual

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torust sign itself, so that you
could see how he came up with that

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and again just a list of the
messages that he actually came up with Jack

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with Jack W my name Jack M, not with Cia men and Jack and

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making me not JW. And that
brings us to Harriet's. So, Harriet,

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you had some work. I've got
your little thing up here from your

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diary that you took down the notes
in which how Dennis showed you that Jack

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used that core symbol to decode action
or to incode should I say actual letters

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of the alphabet? So can you
go ahead and start with us? It

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said at the top it says Zodiac
Jack Terrence, My name is Solve and

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explained to us where you went from
here. Well, in the picture,

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I just wanted to say real quick
or it's a den that's Vennis's handwriting.

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He's literally showing me this and how
Jack he said, I don't get Cypher's,

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but this is what Jack showed me, and so anyway, so that's

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his handwriting. And then below it
is an updated version of what I did

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with that and took pictures for this
older book. Hopefully it'll be out on

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Lulu dot com soon. But anyways, it says, one day in twenty

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twelve, Dennis showed me how to
reveal Jack's name in it. He showed

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me if I recall correctly, and
circled camouflage letters in Jack's own writing.

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And that was how even the name
of Dennis can be camouflaged in a rotating

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squirrel inside a circle. Dennis said, the FBI agent he was working with,

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Chris Hopkins, told him to hold
off on the info until the lower

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jurisdictions Zodiac cases close. Yeah,
when hell freezes over. Anyway, I

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asked, that's what I put in
the book, because anyways it says anyway.

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I asked him, why was he
keeping this quiet? And Dennis was

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tired, needed to break away from
the cases that had often killed him one

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way or another. Well, this
part of Jack's life is his biography,

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and I'm not here to detail his
life, just to code his life's works.

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The Zodiac, my name is one
of them. The symbols are Jack,

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Tarrence, CIA, MK, Ultra
code keys or keys to codes messages.

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In a sense, the thirteen symbols
are keys to the doors of other

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codes cryptic messages, and one of
them, apparently is the z code that

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Oswald and crew used. The code
has been talked about for decades, and

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people said something about thirteen characters or
symbols were key to cracking a lot of

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that code. Anyways, here is
my name is and then then in the

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picture it says, you know,
Dennis's handwriting. And then what I got

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out of that and this is what
Dennis said that Jack showed him is there's

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an ae N and then there's the
circle with the T sideways T, but

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there's also an embedded E. And
then you have the circle and a camouflage

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belltop A the K, a circle
with the fancy script j an M and

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then an E in the circle that's
camouflage the upside down Y and then NAM

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and then Jack says name JAK for
Jack my name. We got to remember

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he was born JW. Tarns Jr. So sometimes in code it's just going

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to be spelled JAK without the C. Anyways, so then I could go

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on. At the bottom of that, it says, and that's actually well,

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and that's actually hold on one second, and that's actually thirteen characters.

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So I was wrong somewhere I picked
up fourteen I thought it was. But

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no, you're definitely using thirteen characters
for that solve, all right, So

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yes, go on ahead to the
bottom. It says this is a picture

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from my diary, and Dennis told
me the E belltop a Jack's type of

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cursive C was camouflaged in a circle
like swirl. And then it goes on

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to say, first is A,
second is E, third is N.

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So the fourth symbol mainly contains the
E. The fifth symbol contains Jack Tarn's

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trademark bell top. Lower case A. Sixth k is K, seventh is

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cursive J, eighth is M,
ninth is lowercase E. Tenth is upside

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down y but also undarted cursive.
I anyways, eleventh is N, twelfth

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is A, thirteenth is M.
But this is not what shows up as

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a zodiac letter nineteen seventy. My
name is et cetera. There is a

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cyrillic W with the swirling. The
swirling motion apparently to tell the decoder to

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rotate the symbols. So if you
rotate the embedded E symbol, you get

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a T. You rotate d N, it's a Z, rotate DM.

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It can be an E or a
W or even a three. Thus the

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many messages that can be digraphed.
I put that in enlarged word letters digraphed

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from Justice one thirteen set of symbols, hence mk ultra because that is a

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series of digraphs and secret projects.
This is Jack Tarn's Keys to a digraph

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system. And then it goes on
to say about Oswald's rotary phone code.

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He knew a lot about Oswald that
Jack Ruby knew, which is true.

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The Ruby knew the rotary phone code. Anyway, it's literally using a telephone

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that has you know, on the
telephone back in those days, you had

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the ABC for like a number one. Three was the EF and so on,

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and if you did it a certain
way, you can spell the names

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all kinds of things. Code breaking. Lee Oswald was into code making and

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code breaking also, and he was
only twenty four when he died. Around

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that agent I'm sure if he hadn't
died, they'd have blamed him to be

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the Zodiac. To Han Nolan,
Oh yeah, it's just well, this

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is Jack's this and I got a
lot of this actually by listening to and

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who is Jim Garrison was the guy
that was the only one. He's the

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trial right, the District attorney for
New Orleans, and he brought plaid shot

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or trial for conspiracy to murder JFK. Mm hmm. So oh, so

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he was a district attorney from New
Orleans getting involved in with happened to JFK

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or RFK this This would be a
JFK JFK. Yep, what going on

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there? Okah, my god,
so much, So go ahead. And

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but for the movie JFK by all
or Stone, really you must have had

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some good information then, or at
least something they wanted to produce. But

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his outfit, his uh prosecuting team
was infiltrated by the CIA. And of

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course, of course, well you
went on to say that the well,

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the symbols rotate, the numbers become
letters and vice versa, throwing the Z

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code, and I, I think
we're continuing with the next page on that

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can tell you I spent many hours
rotating symbols. So I'm just reading your

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stuff to get you up to where
we are at this. You want to

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finish reading that one off? You
give me two seconds. The pages are

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sticking together there for some reason.
Come on, guys, the ghost won't

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let me speak nod Okay, yeah, so okay, then it says so

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I can tell you I spent many
hours rotating symbols, uncovering languages messages.

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This is early on. I got
twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. Anyway,

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zigzagging back and forth at any rate, the symbols, the messages, the

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languages that come forth so far,
and Latin is one of them, but

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also Greek, French, Spanish,
Old English, Italian, and that is

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where one ends up zigzagging back and
forth with dictionaries, Bible scriptures and other

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sources to correct the messages. So
I was actually following some cues and so

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when I was finding out through swearing
and where he was saying, man,

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you know, this is how a
digraph system works, and it's it's very

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initially it's confusing, but then you
end up figuring it out. And I

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took pictures of the work that I
did and I read that Yeah, yeah,

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absolutely, Oh okay, I thought
I watched you there, because this

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phone system is crappy here. So
anyways, what I was getting was jack

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W my name and uh with the
with the T in the no so two

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or something, jack W my name
another two, and then oh, my

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name is jack W T. And
then it's saying I think of saying,

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uh, jack am with ci A
men, Jack am not with ci A

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men. Uh c I A making
me not j W. That's what I

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was getting out of this. But
I think so was swearing and he was

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saying, wow, Cia was doing
things to him, and it's it's part

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of a history of what he was
dealing with that they were, uh,

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you know, taking on a soul
and replace sing it with something else for

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him to do some dirty work.
So that's a So shall I read on

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what's at the bottom or is it
going to I hope it says first symbol

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here is A, second is E, third is N, fourth is O

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and sideways T, fifth is cursive
C. Sixth is K, seventh is

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curse of J. Eighth is M, Ninth is cyrillic W shape, tenth

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is upside down y or undotted,
curse of I, eleventh is N,

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twelfth is A, thirteenth is M, and then it's saying please see Nannette

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Bardo work regarding the April nineteen seventy
zodiac letter. As the document and I

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left out the word, examiner was
able to work to clarify there is a

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W shape embedded in the circle and
other letters camouflaged in circles, et cetera.

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But most importantly, that shape appears
to be cyrillic, so clues to

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a different language, yes, you
know, like Russian. So anyways,

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or you know we're talking about CIA
MK Ultra Cold War and then anyways,

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the book that I have here says
or subsets of languages with other messages possibly

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to be discovered. It certainly has
come in handy for me to crack Jack

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Tarns's cryptic messages, as he was
definitely involved in Cold War intel, especially

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when he did work in the new
field of atomic energy. Right, So

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I think that's but you know what
I do have, because we are on

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my name is Cipher. I have
since then acquired Dennis's old files from somebody

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who I don't know if what in
the world was that. Yeah, I'm

405
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:15.960
back there. That was weird.
I was about to get a shout out

406
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:22.199
to somebody no I was bringing up
because I do have Dennis's old files and

407
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.599
Dennis said that he found this in
Jack's storage. I think I have some

408
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.320
pictures of it, but I just
wanted to be quick that Dennis had sent

409
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:35.679
some facts to Jack to clarify about
my name is Cipher before Jack showed them

410
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:40.880
all these things that we were talking
about, and he's asking things like you

411
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:45.840
know, how does Jack solve this? And Jack has a different system,

412
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:54.519
and it ends up saying Jack the
zodiac after you during doing certain with some

413
00:34:54.639 --> 00:35:00.280
of the code symbols, the code
keys, and you know, mixing the

414
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:07.880
two together. So Jack was answering
Dennis's questions via fax machines. Well,

415
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.199
but Jack the Zodiac would be too
many letters, wouldn't it. No,

416
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:21.719
it's Jack the zodiac eight plus six, that's fourteen. It's what he what

417
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.079
Jack had done with it and was
shown unless it was JAK, unless it

418
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:30.119
was JK the zodiac, then that
would fit. Well. No, he's

419
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:34.320
saying it's a J in an A
and then there's a C in a case.

420
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.079
It's something that Jack had done with
the own with his own code system,

421
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:42.880
and it does that there's something extra
that he's It's how Jack was showing

422
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:47.599
how to do this and how to
move some of the symbols and get something

423
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:54.719
extra. It's a jacksone hand.
It's in jackson handwriting and sent via fax

424
00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:01.719
to Dennis. And you have images
of that. I think you were able

425
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:06.159
to get some images maybe last year, but I can send it again.

426
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:12.280
But it's from Dennis to the files. This means that Dennis would have been

427
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:17.599
gotten at circa two thousand to two
thousand and five from there's actually a date

428
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:28.559
on this too. It's date dated
according to his facts July tenth one.

429
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:32.159
I think it is our July thirtieth
o one. Very yeah, but Dennis.

430
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:37.719
Dennis had also ask him how did
Sonoma County get the composite? And

431
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.960
he was asking questions, But the
main thing that Jack answered and his own

432
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:47.519
handwriting, was how to get certain
things like a diagraph system through. My

433
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:54.559
name is Cipher And it ends up
saying that Jackson's zodiac. Anyways, that'd

434
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:58.480
be interesting to see. I can
always plot that up to start out the

435
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:04.440
next week's podcast and see where we
go with that information. I think we're

436
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:08.559
also coming up on another letter here
soon, let's see. Yep, we'll

437
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:15.920
be coming up on your Asses Dragon, Sorry to hear your Asses Dragon greeting

438
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:21.440
card, which is more I think
known as a buttons letter, the Buttons

439
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.440
letter. I don't know. Yeah
either way, Payoda buttons. I think

440
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:30.639
he's hinting about Payota buttons there.
That would be interesting. Drugs during that

441
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:36.599
time, Yes, there was,
Yes, there was. I just wanted

442
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:40.800
to like and recap. There was
also a birope murder. That was it

443
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.280
was rebrought to my attention by moonlight. Heaven forbid, I don't give recognition

444
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.800
where it belongs. Not that I
didn't already know who pat Tan was and

445
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:53.920
already have it in the display.
But and on April twentieth of nineteen seventy,

446
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:58.159
the same day that my name is
letter is sent out, there is

447
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:01.559
a victim that's found hanging by rope, and because the zodiac talked about being

448
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:06.480
by rope, she thought this would
be important for me to know of.

449
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.920
And that the person died on Mount
tamil Pious, which again this was something

450
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.960
I was aware of. It was
on the murder map by Betts. So

451
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:17.079
Mount tamil Pious is a place that
is being listed is having a victim.

452
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:21.559
She was found having to breeze in
her hair as though she was laying on

453
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.440
the ground, appearing to be a
stage suicide. She was found to be

454
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:29.639
hanging by rope in an electrical cord
according to web sources. Then she says

455
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.800
there were at least four other hangings
around this time period, one of which

456
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:37.880
had all his clothes removed. Yeah, who thinks to remove their clothes before

457
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.840
hanging themselves. The Air Force base
was on top of Mount Tam. On

458
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.199
the other side of Mount Tam was
the body of Leona Roberts, suspected eighth

459
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:51.320
victim of the Zodiac. Then there
was the disappearance of the couple Stephen Packard

460
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:55.039
and Linda Lovell. One of the
Stevens travelers checks was cashed near the military

461
00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:00.320
naval base at Fort Bragg, four
hours up the road. Then was the

462
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.320
disappearance of another couple. It was
suspected they fell over the Headlands into the

463
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:08.360
ocean with their car left behind.
One falling over, but both, She

464
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:13.119
questions, and so this is kind
of some of the stuff where I say,

465
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.000
I just get it regurgitated on me. She just smacks down a bunch

466
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:19.760
of stuff, but doesn't really give
any dates, any times, any relations

467
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:22.480
to things. Most of these victims
I do have, but I don't have

468
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:28.320
any information on these additional forehanngings.
These Stephen Packard and Linda Loveall couple's murder.

469
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.840
It looks like another disappearance, she
says, of another couple. It's

470
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:38.239
suspected they fell over the headlands into
the ocean. Unfortunately, there is no

471
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:42.800
information to tell me who these couples
are where they fit in or what the

472
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.440
timeframe is for them. But that's
kind of like what I mean by that

473
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:50.679
regurgitation. A You're giving the information
I already know about, and B you're

474
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.679
giving to me in an incoherent manner
where I can't even relate it to what's

475
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:59.440
going on in this presentation. And
here's kind of another image. I know

476
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.800
you can't see this, Harriet,
but it's basically what she had sent me

477
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:07.719
in the email. So it gives
me these links to the zodiacsiphers dot com

478
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.599
to tap a talk to these other
people that are just literally giving a slim

479
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.760
amount of information. But four months
later, on April nineteenth, nineteen seventy,

480
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:21.119
Pat Tan, a woman of Eurasian
descent, was discovered hanging by rope

481
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.840
an electrical cord from an oak tree
near Bootjack Campground on Mount tamil Pias in

482
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:30.400
Marin County. We know that Marin
was mentioned by the Dear draft Board letters,

483
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.840
which is why I say these are
all the same people. There is

484
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:37.960
credit for Mount tamil Pias on Sandy
BET's murder map and Bootjack campground. Guys,

485
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:45.480
come on boot Jack, if we
go back to Iva blow if yeah,

486
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.920
if we go back to Eva Blau, she was leaving Jack London Hall.

487
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.239
Yes, yeah, just I was. That's how I got Jack's name

488
00:40:55.280 --> 00:41:06.480
if I remember correctly, the way
they were doing the evidence like the yeah,

489
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:12.400
well, and they were able to
It's amazing. But I honestly believe

490
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.719
they were using the satellites. And
you just mentioned about the Air Force,

491
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:21.119
you know all this, they were
using the planes above because under Nixon they

492
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:25.559
were tracking these people down, they
were tracking everything about them, and especially

493
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:30.679
under a bright moon or close to
a bright moon, especially at night,

494
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:32.760
they were that. I'm like,
this makes a lot of sense how they

495
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:37.599
were able to get so much information
at night, you know, where the

496
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.199
victim was moved or the body and
it was, you know, one hundred

497
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:45.440
feet from this intersection. They would
know if it was a pretty clear,

498
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:50.440
moonlit night. And that brings back
to what Dennis asked Jack, why did

499
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:54.360
you do these things around the full
moon? He says, because you get

500
00:41:54.360 --> 00:42:00.480
a clearer it's easier to see.
It's clearer, so he answered them so

501
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.639
anyway, and especially if you're on
Mount tam you know, my god,

502
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:09.800
a fogless movement night, they're going
to get a lot of aerial. My

503
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:16.079
god. Some of the information that
they indicated that that that I didn't have

504
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:21.440
is that the knot was highly unusual. That the fact that she had leaves

505
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:24.280
twigs, et cetera in her hair
to leave open a murder or staged death

506
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:30.719
scene. How many people you know
flail around on the ground before noosing themselves

507
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:37.079
up with this highly unusual knot,
which is likely a Navy thing, you

508
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:40.360
know, learning how to tie knots
and stuff like that is definitely related to

509
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:45.400
the military. I don't know enough
about them to make any any type of

510
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.639
assertions, but it says that her
victor, her keys were found in her

511
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:55.760
purse and it led authorities to a
storage locker at the San Francisco Greyhound bus

512
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:01.039
station. So there was another interesting
piece of information. Yeah. So while

513
00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:06.039
while Moonlight gives it to me and
something that looks like I don't really quite

514
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:07.960
know what to do with it,
I am able to make some deductions out

515
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:12.400
of it. I'm able to at
least make some correlation to it, like

516
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:16.039
the San Francisco Greyhound bus station and
the keys that were found in her purse.

517
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:22.079
However, with these other victims were
seen that he took the keys Kathleen

518
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.960
John's right, and he took the
keys and didn't return them. Antsi's keys

519
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.519
were not found even though they were
not with the vehicle that was disabled back

520
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:37.960
at the animal shelter. Lots of
things that that point to, but also

521
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:43.320
against. If taking keys, like
with Paul Stein and Anstey and Kathleen John's

522
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.159
were something that the Zodiac was doing, why wouldn't he just keep doing it?

523
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:54.599
Maybe he's analogically trying to say,
these are keys. You know,

524
00:43:54.719 --> 00:44:00.760
you need keys to unlock the mystery, like code keys. He's leaving so

525
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:05.320
many clues. You know, that's
just in my code breaking mind now,

526
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.760
and I keep on hearing about keys. He's like hand, hand, hint,

527
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:13.480
you need keys. He says,
the keys. Right. He's been

528
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.599
saying key code since Sergeant Lynch letter. He says keys all the way up

529
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:21.119
through the Tim Miller letter. So
it key key, key, key,

530
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.559
key is definitely his entire thing.
What were you going to say, Nolan,

531
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:32.880
Oh no, well about this Kathleen
john stuff. You know, obviously

532
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:37.760
they're now out there trying to portray
that she committed some type of insurance fraud

533
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:42.960
by burning her own car. That
was her intentions to do that she was

534
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.599
pregnant, and she couldn't possibly have
left out of a speeding car being pregnant

535
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:55.639
without being injured. They're making claims
now to discredit Kathleen John's and then discredit

536
00:44:55.719 --> 00:45:00.119
the zodiac. What's that? Oh, when she died, when she had

537
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.960
the hear attack, when she was
going to meet Dennis, I want to

538
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.360
say she was almost in her eighties. If she was in her thirties,

539
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:12.599
around seventy, I think she was
in her forties. Room, I think

540
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:17.880
she was fifty fifties, fifty two, fifty three. But when she died,

541
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:22.760
he was pretty young. Yeah,
I have a heart attack. Yeah,

542
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:31.760
she wasn't wanted to see so that
Dennis even found that was really weird.

543
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:35.840
He said, Man, he was
looking forward to talking door and you

544
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.440
know, opening up some more doors
and you know, rest in peace Kathleen

545
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:45.239
John's, you know right right,
which I'm going to have to research that.

546
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:50.000
I'll have oft to look that up
and see if I if she was

547
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.280
thirty one and seventy, that would
make her sixty one in two thousand and

548
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:55.599
if she died in two thousand and
eight, that would make her sixty nine.

549
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.599
Gotcha. Yeah, So I need
to figure about what her age is

550
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:07.639
here on this, I don't think
it was as early as twenty. I'll

551
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:09.880
see. I will look to see
if I, oh, thirty years old.

552
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:14.239
Yeah, it says complainants stated that
a white oh I'm sorry, a

553
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.960
white male approxy. Okay, so
never mind, she's Yeah, she was

554
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:22.920
trying to say he was thirty.
So I'm trying to see if I can't.

555
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:27.199
What I'm getting at is she seemed
pretty young to have a heart attack.

556
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:32.480
Yes, yes, yes, And
those of us who've known people who

557
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:37.000
are pregnant and who are having the
yes, I mean yes, they can

558
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:42.199
bolt and they could run like kill
if there are babies, you know,

559
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:45.519
if there's there's threats, so it's
not impossible. Oh yeah, like run

560
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:50.320
like hell, and you know,
don't mess with Mamma Bear. Mama Bear.

561
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:54.800
Yeah yeah, Mama Bear can rise
to certain occasions that most other men

562
00:46:54.840 --> 00:47:00.159
could never if they're going to have
to protect their children. Absolutely. Le

563
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:07.320
Yes, don't see if I'm really
finding that information what her age was,

564
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:09.400
But I will look back and see
if I can't locate that, because that

565
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:12.800
would be interesting to know. But
I think you're right, Nolan. I

566
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:16.599
think she was relatively young for having
had a heart attack at that particular time.

567
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:21.159
We are down to the five minute
mark, which is good. We've

568
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:27.239
pretty much, I think, covered
just about everything including that, so open

569
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.360
open for him at this point.
I think we just have a couple of

570
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.920
minutes left. But what would you
like to add, Nolan? If anything,

571
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:37.960
I don't really have much said.
This is pretty much you and Harriet

572
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:43.719
today and with the Ciphers. Yeah, I'm Dennis. I'm not good solving

573
00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:47.880
that type of stuff. Well,
Dennis was just what That's what Dennis told

574
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:51.199
me when he was showing me this, and he said, why are you

575
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.519
hiding this? My name is Cypher
thing he says, I'm not into Cypher's

576
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:58.480
Harriet. I just don't have the
patience for it, Jack. And he

577
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:00.159
showed me all this stuff in this
he pulled it out of you know,

578
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:05.559
when this house was here, He
pulled everything out of his container and he

579
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:08.159
was showing I said, wow,
Jennis, you're sitting on this. And

580
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:12.840
this was the time that Dennis was, okay, we're talking about Zodiac and

581
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.440
so I just want to be done
with this shit. But look at this,

582
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:20.119
you know, and you know here
it is, and so he was,

583
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.400
you know, showing me. But
yeah, Dennis didn't have the patience

584
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.199
to do all of this, and
he said, I didn't have the patience

585
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:29.760
to do that, and I didn't
have the patience with Jack was showing it

586
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:31.440
to me. But I said,
wow, he's showing you this. This

587
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:37.000
is important. It had one solve, I would not have a problem with

588
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.400
it. The problem that it doesn't
have one singular solve, and that many

589
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:45.920
solves could be made out of it. It just it prevents me from even

590
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:49.159
wanting to get involved, because how
am I to know whenever my solve is

591
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:53.920
correct if it can be made into
several different things and we are doun one

592
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:58.320
minute, like the State? I
have one thing. I like the State.

593
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:02.599
I have a new book. It
is America's Most Evil Part two.

594
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:07.599
And the title of it because so
many of what I've done since last year's

595
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:14.079
Jack is talking to tom Boy.
So it's saying messages to tom Boy from

596
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:17.960
Zodiac Killer, Jack, Torrance and
more surprises. That's what I love about

597
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:23.039
doing a blog to book. And
I'm just you know, this is from

598
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:29.239
all of this recent months of blogging, so you know, buy the book.

599
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.280
But yeah, tom Boy, but
I think that pretty much puts us

600
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:35.480
down at this point. I'm sorry
to have to cut you off there on

601
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.000
the new book. We'll talk about
that on your date. But thank you

602
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:42.480
guys again for being here with me, Nolan and Harriet. This was an

603
00:49:42.519 --> 00:49:45.679
amazing show. Once again, I
want to say everybody, have a wonderful

604
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:51.400
weekend and we will see you next
Friday with another episode. Everybody take care.

605
00:49:51.519 --> 00:50:10.920
Yeah, thank you guys, enjoy
it. Bye, Thank you exactly exactly