Aug. 8, 2025

Episode 190: John Walsh Scorpion Letters

Episode 190: John Walsh Scorpion Letters
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The FBI and John Walsh withhold these Scorpion letters for 15 years. Jack retires in 1991 and goes back to Texas. Interesting things begin taking place like the letters to John Walsh from Scorpion. Narrative of the Zodiac Killer has changed from who will play me in a movie, to let me help you get it right, and I can beat all counter-measures of the CIA and FBI. Zodiac Killer claimed smarter than the cops and FBI. Unsolved cryptographs, simple ciphers, and solves on the letters from Harriette.

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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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We are going to pick up where we left off

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on the Metro City trip with Jack and Nora in

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nineteen ninety. But first I'd like to bring onto the

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show Nolan del Campo.

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After everybody, good morning, welcome back. I know we'll confuse ourselves,

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and then Lindsay mcgrair, Yeah, are you with us?

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Hey?

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How are you doing?

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Nicety?

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All right?

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So I was just a little short on the last

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episode where I missed the celebrity cipher, So we're going

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to actually be catching up with that one here in

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this particular show, which will be one of the communications

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that are sent in nineteen ninety. Before I climb back

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onto that, I just I had one more question. I

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think of Nolan when I was discussing the Jeffrey Epstein stuff.

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In regards to the plea deal, I guess if you will,

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that he signed for eighteen months with the U S

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District Attorney. They indicated that his name was Alan Alexander Acosta, right,

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I don't know that. Okay, Alexander Acossa then became part

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of Trump's administration.

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And then had to resign once the.

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News broke that he gave this sweet plea deal to

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Epstein without the victim's knowledge.

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Okay, I just.

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Wanted to make it, yes, yes, yeah, So it just

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dawned on me afterwards when I said US District Attorney

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that I didn't actively put all the puzzle pieces together

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for everybody so they could see when I say they

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can make or break your career. I wouldn't doubt it

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at all if Acosta didn't make Trump's administration because he

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did what he did for Epstein. I mean, it's like

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a classic Blacklist episode. You do dirty for us, and

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we'll give you a promotion.

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Well, how about this. I have something even crazier than

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that on Epstein that I researched recently and found out.

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So I don't know if you guys remember the US

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Attorney Bill Barr.

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No, what where is he? The US attorney for.

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Of the United States?

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Okay, well, I.

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Think the US Attorney Center Costa wasn't for the United

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States as much as I think he was in Florida

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the district attorney.

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And I'm not sure.

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Yeah, he was the one in Florida. But what I'm

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saying is in Trump's first administration it was Bill Barr

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of the United States District Attorney. And so Bill Barr

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is the son of I can't remember his father's name,

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but it's another bar who was the one who actually

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hired Jeffrey Epstein for that teacher job at that prestige private.

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School and shut off in the seventies.

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I swear to God.

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Yep, the one he lied to get into. So somebody

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had to give him a referral. Well, I guess no,

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because when they did call on it and found out

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that he hadn't gone to any of the schools, somebody

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told the truth on that end. So yeah, he's pumped.

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He's pumped by big names. Then that's how.

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He started with Bill Barr's father.

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Wow, Okay, yep.

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His sentence was only eighteen months.

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And he only served twelve and twelve hours out of

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the day. He was on work release, so he left

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in the morning and came back at night to serve

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his twelve month sentence.

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He heard that he had.

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Does not make sense.

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That well, that was a separate indictment and conviction. That's

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when New York FBI got involved and they took over

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the case, and they prosecuted based on all the actual victims.

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So the pros for Florida only focused in on some

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type of a prostitution charge. Nothing about children, nothing about

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human trafficking, nothing that that the complaints were showing from

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all of the people's testimony. And he literally said out

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loud on a press release, we just don't have enough

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information or evidence to convict him. The hell you say

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you have more than forty victims. Also, they're just room

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his massage parlor. The size of his penis.

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Come on, how do you know not hav enough?

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Well, Nolan, Nolan, the first time he was in there

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for like she just said, and he was able to

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come and go through work release for those eighteen months.

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That was the first time in seven whenever he got

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in trouble the first time and then the second time,

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah, it was cover on nineteen.

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It was a cover in nineteen he was in the

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Raildale He was in the Rialdale Praiser.

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Yeah, that's why. Okay, so it was a way different confinement.

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Oh yeah, yes, yes, And they were complaining that the

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help or the employees of this particular jail were either sleeping,

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not doing their jobs, not manning the people that are

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incarcerated there, which gave him the opportunity to kill himself,

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when really it sounds to me like they all ski daddled,

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So whatever was going to happen to Epstein could happen

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freely without any interference by anybody.

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The whole thing just sounds rigged.

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And like I said, the independent corner, who did I guess?

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Epstein's brother asked an independent corner to look at the

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body and do an autopsy. Found that the hyoid bone

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was broken in three places, and he did not feel

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like from the position he was hung off of his bed,

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hung that he would have caused that type of an

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impact that would been strong enough to break those bones.

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So that leads to the theory that he was killed

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once he was incarcerated.

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So basically, they made him.

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And this is where I'm saying to you guys, they

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made him and then they broke him literally exactly well.

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And also that indication of the high piled bone, I

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cannot say that word hid bone is an indicator of strangulation.

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And it's almost nine times out of ten that when

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that bone is broken that that is a prime indicator

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in a lot of different cases that I've researched, a

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prime indication of strangulation.

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Right, well, but not hanging.

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Hanging holds it a different Yeah, it holds basically when

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you hang yourself, not the same.

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Yeah, it's not the same.

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Pressure in the location it needs to be to be

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able to break it. And since he couldn't get up

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high enough to say, jump off something to cause a break,

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or the impact of something that could cause that break,

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it is suspect that he was killed so well.

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And I also literally when I heard that those results

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of that autopsy, it really brought me back to John Beney.

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And that's literally the same bone in her neck that

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was broken because of the strangulation.

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So right, and in that case, they were strangling her

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and we know that they used a garat to do it,

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and that caused probably ample amount of pressure from an

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adult to cause that breakage.

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All right, yeah, off.

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Myself, yes, because the FBI in New York took over.

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He also had a house in New York.

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So he had committed this, these crimes all over the

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United States and then off on that island as well.

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So he's crossed international barriers with human trafficking.

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Child abuse.

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I mean, you just name it. It was everything that's

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right up the FBI's alley. This should have been turned

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over to the FBI upon when Acosta got the deal

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to convict him, So he went behind the vision. Yes,

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Alexander Acosta was the district attorney who gave him the

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plea deal. And of the eighteen months they gave him,

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he only spent twelve, so he didn't even do the

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full eighteen months, and he had I think by the

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time they were done, it sounded to me like they

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had over one hundred victims on one investigation in Florida

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surmounted to over forty, and then New York surmounted to

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another sixty. It was a ridiculous amount. And not only

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was he having sex with these girls, but he was

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then farming them out to all of his rich friends.

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And powerful friends that made him so this.

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And then he would also pay the girls to go

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out and find other girls like to go back and

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talk to their friends about it.

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Correct, he was grooming them to yes, make a supply,

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all right. It is a huge network. Well, and that's

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why I say, I wonder if he took over Heidi

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Fleiss's list.

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She Happened documentary primary focuses on the stuff that happened

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in Florida, mentioned the island, but it doesn't mention much

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stuff in New York.

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No, it doesn't really mention a lot of a lot

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of the things that it should be mentioning. It's really

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trying to isolate him as the monster and really kind

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of shed doubt in people's minds as to whether or

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not these politicians and these rich people are involved. But

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like I said, he's his only client. And this came

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from Lindsay was Adman Koshoge who was in human trafficking

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with Baby Ribosa Roboso in the FBI files on Baby Riboso.

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So I mean it's all.

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That when when she says only client is she means

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that means his He had his own side business too,

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and but then would be working for all these other

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people money laundering and things like that and everything else

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under the bus and then but that, but personally under

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his business name, that was his only client. So that's

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fine when I think you brought it up the last

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show when you said when no one said, well he

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had so and so that's where he had those of

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the other the other clients weren't his personal clients. They

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were clients of him that used him for these purposes

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of the whatever they're doing.

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And that's how he became so rich. I mean, honestly speaking,

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that's where the money's coming from, is all these illegal dealings.

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Yep.

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All right, So back to this year presentation, we see

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that Nora is in front of a cream colored van.

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At one point in time, I did find a crime

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spree that indicated witnesses seeing a cream colored van. I

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want to say that I feel like it was something

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that was in the Sun of Sam murders. But I

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don't know when they got this van or how long

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they've had it. And Son of Sam was what eighty four?

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Uh, yeah, I thought it was a lot earlier than now.

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It was.

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It was a couple of years, I think, Yeah, it

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was a seventy.

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Nine eighty.

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And probably probably much older than this van. I don't

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know when they received this van, but we can clearly

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see them going on vacation in it.

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And I color it's a cream colored van.

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It says is mentioned as a suspect vehicle and crimes

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related oh to the I forty five killer. So now

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when I'm saying that he's back and forth to Texas

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and a cream colored van and a security officer coplike

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uniform is some of the eyewitnesses statements. We've got the

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cream colored van and we've got the security guard outfit

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that makes him look like a cop. I'm saying, like

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he really needs to be looked at for these I

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forty five killings. And possibly it said Anthony Allen Shore.

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I think I needed to research that. I'm not I

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want to say Anthony Allen Shore was also part of

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or in a cream color vand which is probably why

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I put that there.

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Either way, Hey, yo, work it well like they like

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well and they love to use vans. Oh always, Well,

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this one has too many windows to be a pedo van.

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They're not blacked out. Yeah you found your buck, Nolan.

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Yeah, I think I think it was mid seventies it's

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my recollection.

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I feel like it was eighties, late seventies, late seventies. Yeah,

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too many slides for me to go back to figure

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it out. At this point, I do see it coming

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across nat yes, but clearly. All right, so I'll just

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get back at this presentation while you're looking.

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So next week, Oh, what'd you find?

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Seventy seven?

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Okay?

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Yeah, so seventies.

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Okay, and he probably did not at this time. I

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think he still had the blue Dodge because seventy seven

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was him coming back from Minnesota area and moving back

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to Texas, and he still had the blue Dodge.

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So yep. No, the cream color van came in, was

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that a blue dogvan? No, it was a.

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Truck with a white camper which is another witness sighting

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of some of these killing sprees is the blue truck

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with a white camper shell. And Jack had that, so.

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He was highly conspicuous. Sam murders too, and.

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Jack did have in the seventies a yellow Volkswagen as well,

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So there's a there's a lot of coincidences with Jack's vehicles,

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Nora's vehicles, and these crimes. So yeah, all right, so

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I put up here. I need to research the source.

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There is a celebrity cipher that came out on a postcard,

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says notes say, two weeks later, couple found dead in

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San Francisco. I needed to do a handwriting examination on this,

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but it looks to me like some of this stuff

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is very consistent with what we have been looking at.

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I will have to break that part at a different time.

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This is mailed on September twenty fifth, nineteen ninety. It

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is labeled the Celebrity Cipher. Cipher is spelled with a

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y instead of an eye, and it is a German

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spelling of the word cipher, so it says, well, it's

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mostly a cipher and then it just says celebrity cipher.

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Valeo Times Herald, Valleo, California. So here, following up on

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the last nineteen eighty seven letter that we did see

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the solve for being mailed to the BALAOPD, we have

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another letter. So it's like, right now, Jack's getting ready

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to leave you guys. I mean he's separating from Nora

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even and he's going to move to Texas for about

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a year year and a half. I think that they're

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separated and don't get back together until ninety two, and

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we're seeing the onset of all of these messages that

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are being blasted to the VALLEOPD. What else did we Well,

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we saw a couple of them, oh, the nineteen eighty

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six letter that went to the Sacramento b So we're

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seeing this ramp up of communications like don't forget me,

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I'm still out here. And of course Herrett would probably

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tell you that he's trying to reach out and convey

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a message to somebody higher up. So I did receive

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this particular version from Sandy Betts. She had attended a

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seminar in which I believe the gentleman that ran it

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was either former FBI or something to that effect, and

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he was investigating this particular letter. I always get interested

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in these former FBI agents that all of a sudden

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want to play armchair detective after they're die.

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Yes, I can't stand it.

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It's just so un makes makes me feel uneasy.

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Right right, what are you doing? What are you giving

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us disinformation? Why are you here? Why do you have.

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Access to things that shouldn't be outside of the agency

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If it's still an unsolved crime, that's what we would

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be told, is the public. So how is it that

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you have access to this stuff. So basically, I'm going

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to read to you the cliff notes that this man

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spoke on in regards to this, it says, the Celebrity

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Cipher of nine twenty five ninety was never made public

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by the Times Herald or the Valeo Police Department. Now

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doesn't that sound familiar? The nineteen eighty six letter was

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not made public either. I had to find out from

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Terence Pascal, the former document examiner on the Zodiac case,

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that it was believed to be a Zodiac communication, but

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it was never released to the public. So now I've

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got first yan information from somebody who used to work

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the case, and we're seeing this from an FBI agent

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saying this has never been seen before. So again I ask,

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how do you have it? Why are you showing it

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to us? And perhaps it was mailed during a period

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of time when Arthur Lee Allen was in jail, and

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that's why he suspects that it was withheld a conflict

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of their preconceived opinions. However, it is my guess the

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police just wanted to keep it quiet, or they thought

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the card was simply a crank, a hoax, etc. It

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seems as though they should have made it public. The

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detective who gave us a copy seemed to imply they

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thought it was a hoax. It is my opinion that

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this is not a hoax, that this is truly from

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the Zodiac. This is an important clue because it tells

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us that Zodiac is still around and still very close

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in fact, as this was mailed to the Valeo Times

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Herald and not the San Francisco Chronicle. To the best

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of our knowledge, VPD has the original tells us he

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is closer to Valeo residents wise and more ties murder wise.

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So to speak.

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Yet it is only the Valeo Times Herald which prints

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the Celebrity Cipher code game. So now we know why

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it's labeled the Celebrity Cipher, because that's something that the

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Valeo Times Herald is actually putting in their newspaper. But

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what is so curious about this postcard is the wording

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that the actual text of it. And I'm going to

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climb into that in a second. But I don't know

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if any of you guys caught that this letter was

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mailed at a time that Arthur Lee Allen was incarcerated,

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probably for abusing a child. I think that's what he

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went to jail for, and that would not fit their

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their groove. Robert gray Smith, who's being promoted by the

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media and mass newspapers on his book of the Zodiac,

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his take on Arthur Lee Allen being the actual suspect

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when we know he's not tom boit's you know, act

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and blaming Arthur Lee Allen for all that time. That

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would have stripped them of their narrative. If if this

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was put out to the public and it was known

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that the Zodiac is still out there writing letters and

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you guys have the wrong man for yourself.

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Well I figured it out.

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I figured it out.

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Hold On Nolan Nolan Nolan, hold On Lindsey was speaking,

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I'll come right back to you.

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Go ahead.

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Well he took well, he I guess we were on

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the same thought. That's what I was gonna say. What

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how I ruled out author Lee Allen was after I

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watched the Netflix documentary and then I did some digging

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along with that, and immediately, almost immediately while watching the documentary,

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ruled him out immediately because they were like, you just

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said he wasn't even on their radar. Then they can

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say he was, but he was not on their radar

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at all whatsoever in any regard to the zodiac. And

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so I mean, and that's how I figured out that

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he was in jail during the during certain letters.

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Right, And they don't want.

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To does not mention that because it undercuts their theory

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as well.

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Exactly, Yep, it's all just a stirless pot. It's all

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for disinformation purposes. It's no different for the narrative that

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they're using in the Epstein cases, training to make it

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look like Epstein was the only monster. So we all

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forget about these high political figures that are actually banging children.

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I mean, come on, you guys.

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Now, this is the middle portion of this particular profile.

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It says, if somebody was in fact playing a joke,

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why would they duplicate two lines? Please note the top

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two lines on the left side of the card, with

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the bottom two lines on the right side of the card.

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So let's look at that. So basically, these top two

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in this left hand corner up here starts with a

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zodiac symbol and an R A circle, a half shaded square,

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and a plus sign is repeated at the bottom of

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the right hand side, and so is that second line.

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So his take on this is why would they duplicate

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two lines? Please note the top two lines on the

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left side of the card with the bottom two lines

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on the right side of the card.

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They are the same.

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Why a prankster would not make such a simple mistake. Therefore,

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I conclude it is not a mistake. A prankster, by

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utilizing the same symbols as in the first three part

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cipher code, could have invented or created a much spookier

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or a more nasty message.

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Such a message might.

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Read I will keep on killing, or you will never

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catch me, or my slaves need more friends, or whatever,

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anything something more chilling. But the deciphered symbols give us

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a strange and almost incomprehensible array of jumbled words and

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vague messages. And this is what it basically ciphered out

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to longed hunt, Late sleuth, invite you to a slut

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youth hotel.

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Hide.

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That's not so crazy when we're talking about what's going

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on with Epstein. A youth hotel, A slut youth hotel

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that sounds to me like human trafficking. I'm blown away,

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and this is coming at this time in nineteen ninety.

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Please note that all symbols are used except to the

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I and the queue. Perhaps he is asking, what is

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your IQ question mark?

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No, maybe not.

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The first two words can be changed to long hunted,

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late slut. Now I think that probably was more accurate, right,

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I mean, at least it made a little more sense

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than longed hunt, long hunted, late sleuth invite you to

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a slut youth hotel Hide, and this is a celebrities.

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It reminds me of that phrase. It reminds me of

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the phrase the hunt become the hunted.

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Well, the other thing it reminds me of is we've

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got you know again. Heidi Flies running the madam thing

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in California, and maybe he's trying to tell on her

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because she's providing girls for the celebrities. Yeah, something was odd,

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and the timing of this is just not coincidental. So

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I also believe the finished part of this profile says, yes,

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the only investigator who called in our suspect died. He

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is indeed a late sleuth who long hunted. Does such

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a hotel as Hotel Hide exist? Perhaps in the city

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is a slut youth hotel? Why would he want to

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invite us to a slut youth hotel? The message is bizarre,

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cryptic and seemingly composed in a brief moment just to

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tease the public and the police department. So this postcard

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was mailed on nine twenty five, ninety. Other close Zodiac

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dates are Donna lass On the Sierra Club card is

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nine twenty six of seventy and the Lake Very Sa

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murder is September twenty seventh of nineteen sixty nine, So

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it is fitting in with the date scheme of the zodiac.

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Are these victims regarded by sluts as sluts by the zodiac?

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I go back to heidiflies cipher is oh it said,

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this says British. Everything else I read said Germans. So

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cipher is a British spelling for cipher. Another clue. He

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misspelled Harold for Harold, so he used an O instead

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of an A for the newspaper, which is another clue

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because we've seen in the Black Dahlia the postcards that

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were mailed he oftentimes misspelled the Times Harold on purpose.

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He knew how to spell it, but he would consistently

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misspell it on purpose. Yeah, if a prankster did all

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of this, he is very clever. Indeed, even the handprinting

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is very similar to some of the zodiacs. And whoever

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this is is an l L. I don't know what

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his name is. I'd like to give him a shout

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out for this, because I think he pretty much nailed

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some very important parts on profiling that particular card.

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So I threw that up against.

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The dB Cooper cards and the Scorpion letters, which we're

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going to be talking about here shortly in the John

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Walsh case, and we can see that the handwriting is

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definitely right up that alley. It is similar. It looks

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like even the same smell of pen, almost like a

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felt tip pen is being used, which I coin Jack

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and the Zodiac for that is Jack's favorite pen, hands down.

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And then we see the Zodiac using it in many

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of the communications. So and the postcard list.

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Well, and that all tie all links into John Walsh

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because and why he was in contact with him. Whether

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they knew each other or not, I think that they

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did because if you look, you know how the media

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portrays things. Oh yeah, they want you to look the

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other way and blame it all on one person. Right,

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It's the same concept in John Walsh's America's Most Wanted.

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They're there want you to go find the help find

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the bad guy. Don't look over here, but you need

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to be looking over here to go find the bad

473
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.519
guy in your town and your city and all that,

474
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.319
and call this number for your tips and blah blah

475
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:41.119
blah whenever it's really it's really the bad guys over there,

476
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:42.680
and he knows it.

477
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:47.799
Yes, it's yeah, disinformation sending us on a wild ga.

478
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:49.480
We're hunting for snipes.

479
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:53.440
So they just used him as his as their little

480
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:55.559
ponzi exactly.

481
00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.640
Now let's follow up with another nineteen ninety communication. This

482
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:02.039
one is always intrigued me as well, because guess what,

483
00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:05.480
it doesn't get published until two thousand and seven. Their

484
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:09.000
backstory behind it is that somebody must have inadvertently set

485
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:10.519
it on a shelf and forgot about it.

486
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:14.799
My lily white, My lily white.

487
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:20.599
I think people are so familiar with the Zodiac's style

488
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:23.680
of writing, especially somebody at the San Francisco Chronicle. There's

489
00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:26.160
no way this thing got set on a shelf and withheld.

490
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:29.319
It was withheld on purpose, is my take. We just

491
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:32.079
saw that the Celebrity Cipher was the nineteen eighty six

492
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:34.599
letter was. We're gonna see that the John Walsh was

493
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:39.240
like it's becoming now a complete mo of these individuals

494
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.480
in the order of these communications.

495
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:42.880
Now, this one's.

496
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:45.759
Postmark December of nineteen ninety the Christmas card and Master

497
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:50.480
Postal Keys is a copy of two Master Postal keys

498
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:53.839
inside this card. I've been saying this entire time that

499
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.880
there is probable evidence that the Zodiac is in possession

500
00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:02.519
of cancelations, stamps, and other types of postal stuff which

501
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:03.240
is owned.

502
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:03.640
By the government.

503
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:06.799
And if he is a government employed by the government,

504
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.559
as the Zodiac and all these other happenings, he would

505
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:12.119
likely be given this kind of stuff in order to

506
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:16.720
perpetrate the facade that he's putting on. Either way, the

507
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:21.599
card itself is addressed to the editor, San Francisco Chronicle,

508
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.640
nine oh one Mission Street, San Francisco, California, ninety four

509
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.160
one oh three. That's the only handwriting, and that's on

510
00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:29.400
the outside of the envelope. And it has a twenty

511
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.160
like a twenty five cent Christmas stamp, and we know

512
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:37.279
how he likes the stamps. This being mailed, I really

513
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.400
can't tell the date, but it is definitely December of

514
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:45.720
nineteen ninety. And then the card itself is a Groucho

515
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:50.119
Marx or a disguise if you will. It's got the

516
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:54.440
Groucho Marx glasses and nose on a snowman, and it

517
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:56.000
has a jack rabbit in the.

518
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.720
Forefront, which I always get. I always laugh at Jack.

519
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.240
I see jack rabbits and things because I feel like

520
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:07.759
that's his representation of who he is. It says, from

521
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.480
your secret pal, can't guess who I am yet, question mark,

522
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.240
Well look inside and you'll find out. So this is

523
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.559
where that whole guest theme in the nineteen seventy eight

524
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:21.000
letter they tried to say was a hoax, and the

525
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.480
nineteen eighty seven letter that they tried to say was

526
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:28.240
a hoax. These two letters say guests on them. So

527
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:32.559
this led this Christmas card is following right in tandem

528
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:35.519
with what the Zodiac is saying. It all runs together.

529
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:37.799
The inside of the card says, yes.

530
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:42.279
I noticed one thing I noticed on the envelope. It

531
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:47.720
so he spells out California and right, and the handwriting

532
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.920
looks neater, but it looks very similar to Zodiac.

533
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:57.240
Absolutely, if not just Zodiac, many other communications within this range.

534
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.000
The inside of the card says later, so.

535
00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:04.640
Yeah, yeah, well, but we're seeing, like I said, this

536
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:07.359
ramp up in the nineties. When Jack's about to leave

537
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.039
California again, it's no different than him going to Texas

538
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.359
killing and then coming back here. He's perpetrating all these

539
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.640
messages and he's gonna leave to Texas. The inside of

540
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:19.559
the card says that I'm going to keep you guessing.

541
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:23.519
Happy Holidays anyway. Now, let's talk about a little bit

542
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:27.240
of that. The front of the Christmas card. The Snowman

543
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:29.920
in disguise and the Jack rabbit we just discussed is

544
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:34.920
equal to the Oakland County child murders aka the Snowman murders,

545
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:38.759
the Zodiac Scorpion I forty five, Robert gray Smith, and

546
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.319
so many more from your secret Pal.

547
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:43.839
Can't guess who I am? Yet? Well look inside and

548
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:44.559
you'll find out.

549
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:49.920
This whole secret Pal I think is you know, runs

550
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:52.839
in tandem with you. Guys haven't figured me out yet,

551
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:55.960
right like telling the cops they not doing their jobs,

552
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.400
and you can't figure out who I am. See copy

553
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:01.640
of the post office box keys. I thought that was

554
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:03.480
interesting because and we're going to get.

555
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:04.640
To that in a second. I'm not going to talk

556
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:05.319
about that yet.

557
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:09.400
Her Harriet Souchet. The serial numbers on the keys indicate

558
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:13.319
military use for New Jersey and Washington, d C. And

559
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.319
that was an initial take. Obviously, this is information from

560
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.799
way back in two thousand and nine. Jack, of course,

561
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:21.720
being a supply sergeant in the Air Force, would have

562
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:25.000
had access to postal keys back when he was in

563
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.880
the service. But if he's currently working under the guise

564
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:30.400
of like mk ulture or anything else, some type of

565
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:32.680
a project, he's going to have access to these, they'd

566
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.119
be handed over to him. It's also a goodbye letter,

567
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:38.720
as I call it, before leaving California. Once again, just

568
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:42.599
as I said, it's an anniversary letter like the Donna

569
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.200
Lass and Georgette Bauerdorf and others. And it's also coming

570
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:49.240
at a time when Jack is going to lead the

571
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.880
state nineteen ninety. Jack and Nora live in Sacramento until

572
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:58.880
at least December of nineteen ninety and then I want

573
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.599
to say in sometime in nineteen ninety one is when

574
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.559
they separated and split. So here's some information that I

575
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:06.640
found on the Christmas card. It says the nineteen ninety

576
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:09.559
Christmas card from the Zodiac Killer. While preparing for an

577
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:12.480
article about the release of the new film, Oh isn't

578
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:16.599
this perfect? Timing employees at the San Francisco Chronicle discovered

579
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:19.039
what appeared to be a long forgotten communication from the

580
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:23.759
elusive penpal, postmarked in Eureka, there's another hint in Klue,

581
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.039
California in December nineteen ninety. The red envelope was overlooked

582
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.880
amid the many hoax letters and forgeries that plagued the

583
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.920
newspaper after the release of Gracema's first book and the

584
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.519
sensational media coverage surrounding the crimes of the Zodiac copycat

585
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.039
killer in the New York If the card was an

586
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:43.079
authentic Zodiac communication, the killer was still alive as late

587
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.680
as nineteen ninety, still taunting and still at large, more

588
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.400
than sixteen years after his brief appearance in nineteen seventy four.

589
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.920
Now they're lying to us in this editorial because they're

590
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:56.000
making it sound like the last time he wrote was

591
00:32:56.079 --> 00:33:00.079
nineteen seventy four. We've just talked about a slew of communication,

592
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.319
including one identified by a document examiner that was written

593
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.279
in nineteen eighty six. So don't I'm going to give

594
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.759
this very little credibility whatsoever, but I'm going to read

595
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.400
it for what it's worth. It says addressed to the

596
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.400
chronicle and pencil and with an eerily familiar style. The

597
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.960
envelope bore a twenty five cent that depicted a Christmas

598
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.680
tree and contained a holiday greeting card. On the front

599
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.279
of the card, a snowman wearing a Groucho mark nose,

600
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:29.000
mustache and glasses stands in a snowstorm as a small

601
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:29.880
rabbit watches.

602
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:30.920
The text of.

603
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:33.720
The card was reminiscent of the Zodiac's Halloween card to

604
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.119
reporter Paul Avery more than twenty years earlier. And we've

605
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:41.240
already read the message, we'll skip that the writer had

606
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.920
also included a xerox of two keys on a chain

607
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:47.519
attached to a small pen like cylinder marked a USPS

608
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:50.839
for the United States Postal Service. The keys had identification

609
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:55.880
numbers of undetermined significance, leading to speculation that the xerox

610
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:59.279
might lead to a post office box containing the identity

611
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.960
of the Zodiac or some other clue that could prove

612
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:07.400
the solution to the case. So again, we're discussing post

613
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:11.239
office boxes again. Tom Voight, founder of the website zodiac

614
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.159
killer dot com, attempted to track down the individual who

615
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.039
had rented the post office box in December nineteen ninety.

616
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.159
The investigation led Voight to a man he dubbed Now.

617
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:21.960
I don't know if any of this information is true

618
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.000
at all. Sandy Bett says that she was in on

619
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:27.840
this particular part of the investigation, but Harriet claims that

620
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:32.119
the actual codes on these keys go to different locations

621
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.719
than what they're saying here about. Tom Voight says the

622
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.280
investigation led Voight to a man he dubbed Sam, and

623
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.599
a list of circumstantial evidence which appeared to implicate the

624
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.920
new suspect. He's either the Zodiac, Voight said, or he's

625
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:48.440
a perfect example of how easy it is to find

626
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:50.079
a great Zodiac suspect.

627
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:50.880
Okay.

628
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.880
After completing his amateur investigation, Voight turned his information over

629
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:58.239
to authorities, who then conducted a quiet, yet official investigation.

630
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.480
Sam was eventually cleared as suspect. Look at you go, Voight,

631
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.800
You can't even uh yeah, but evidently he can throw

632
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:09.119
a suspect at him. And I think that this guy

633
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.280
was probably even I don't know if he was dead

634
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:13.119
at this time, but I know that they were really

635
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:16.159
trying to steal the deal on somebody who died before

636
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:20.519
the anthrax letters. It says the authenticity. So and of

637
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:22.599
course this is being written in two thousand and seven,

638
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.880
so it may have been after nineteen ninety that he

639
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.119
did this investigation into the Oh, it'd have to be

640
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:31.039
Wait a minute, now, I'm confused. So they find the

641
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:33.360
letter in two thousand and seven. So at some point

642
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:35.480
after two thousand and seven is when he conducts this

643
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.159
investigation into those Polstle keys and ends up at this

644
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:38.880
man's place.

645
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:41.159
Okay, let's see.

646
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.840
The authenticity of the nineteen ninety Christmas card became the

647
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.559
subject of debate. While many who followed the case believed

648
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.239
that the Zodiac was responsible for familiar writing on the

649
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.360
red envelope, others believed that the card was the work

650
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:57.599
of a forger. The San Francisco Chronicle consulted with a

651
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.880
retired handwriting expert who had once worked on the Zodiac letters.

652
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:04.719
The expert claimed that he had memorized the killers writing,

653
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.199
and based on his memory, he determined that the card

654
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.760
was a forgery. The person, I don't know how, he

655
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:16.039
concluded that, I mean, honestly, the person responsible. I know

656
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:24.440
I know the person responsible card right, and who hoaxes it?

657
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:24.760
That?

658
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:25.159
Well?

659
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:29.280
I mean, the tants are are phenomenal and they're in line.

660
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.880
And why would you, I mean really, why would you.

661
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:35.800
Writing an expert?

662
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:37.599
No, it does not say who it was.

663
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:42.719
I think Truwood, Merrill, Zacumo right.

664
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.239
That Terrence Pascal would be one of them. Lloyd Cunningham

665
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:49.599
would be another. Those are three that I know who

666
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.880
worked on the Zodiac case. The person responsible for the

667
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.440
writing on the envelope had traced over the lines in

668
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:59.480
several places, and according to the expert, the Zodiac never

669
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.840
did so. The expert was apparently unaware that the Zodiac

670
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.800
had traced over the lines of his writing and several communications. Wow,

671
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.159
so they just shut the expert down. The expert makes

672
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:13.239
a claim that the Zodiac never did this, and now

673
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.760
they're blatantly saying the expert was unaware that the Zodiac

674
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:22.400
actually had done this the nineteen ninety Christmas card some expert.

675
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:26.280
The nineteen ninety Christmas card remains a controversial and dubious

676
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:30.079
addition to the long list of suspected Zodiac correspondence. So

677
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.679
now let's do some comparisons. I lined up the word

678
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:35.800
editor from one that went to the San Francisco Chronicle

679
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.239
that we know, in fact is the Zodiac's handwriting. Look

680
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.599
at the way this stuff is written, like, oh my gosh,

681
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:46.599
editor lines up perfect, guys. There's this huge gas D

682
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:51.079
D and the I and yeah and that's just one word.

683
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.320
I decided to line up this week just to be

684
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:55.559
able to show you guys something in lieu of the handwriting,

685
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.119
because I did complete this Christmas card as a product

686
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:03.360
of the overall handwriting examination that we did way back when. However,

687
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.960
I still when we come to these communications for the

688
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.400
first time chronologically, I want to remind people how close

689
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:11.480
of a match it is to what we are looking

690
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:13.920
at and what we've seen throughout all these crimes.

691
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:14.440
Freeze.

692
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:22.639
Now, this information on these particular keys is interesting, and

693
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:25.519
I don't know that if that's a pen light like

694
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:28.239
a flashlight attached to this keychain. It looks like it

695
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:30.440
has a little something up here that might be a

696
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.960
button that you would push. It's long and tubular, and

697
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:38.760
it's on a chain with these two keys, the postal

698
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:43.559
cold codelight. Yeah right, it's kind of what it looks like.

699
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:47.719
Here are I believe the numbers that are made out

700
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:51.239
that are actually scribed into these postal keys. One is

701
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:55.320
seven nine four zero eight. Usps do not duplicate, and

702
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.199
then the other is usps do not duplicate five eight

703
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:03.360
eight five one. Now, Harriet's research of these particular numbers

704
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:08.280
indicated that one of these went to Princeton, New Jersey. Huh,

705
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:13.320
that's interesting because the Scorpion author, writing to John Walsh

706
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.880
says he just moved into New Jersey and add twenty

707
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:21.639
three victims. Okay, but it's memory.

708
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:22.480
I'll get to that.

709
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:29.400
The other one evidently is an international box. And my

710
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:33.760
contention there is that we saw the fake anthrax letters

711
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:38.400
come out of Thailand and Malaysia, which we're supposed to mimic.

712
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:41.039
The fact that whoever sent the anthrax letters in the

713
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:43.599
United States has now left the country and we should

714
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.920
be looking for him out of the country. To me,

715
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.559
it was just a ploy to point you in the

716
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.760
wrong direction. But interesting to note that that is an

717
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:57.800
international post office box key. And from what the chronicle says,

718
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.440
and I don't know again, you know, did they make

719
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.400
this whole story up that these keys went back to

720
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.559
a post office box to a man named Sam.

721
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:08.679
Either way, he was cleared all right.

722
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:11.639
Nineteen ninety one, this is where we actually see Jack

723
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:14.960
back in Texas again, and he is writing a eulogy

724
00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:18.800
for his brother Chuck. Oh, actually, Dawn the youngest is

725
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:23.599
writing a eulogy for their brother Chuck. And in Dennis's book,

726
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.320
he writes, nineteen ninety one Jack retires and mom, Jack

727
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.920
and Charles moved out of their duplex. So here we

728
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:34.679
have him. I thought he actually worked for HP till

729
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.400
nineteen ninety three, but Dennis is saying that he retired

730
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.920
in nineteen ninety one, So that makes all these trips

731
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:44.320
in the nineties back to Texas extremely possible, says Mom,

732
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.039
Jack and Charles moved out of their duplex that they

733
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.119
had lived in for nine years and moved into a

734
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:52.199
motor home. Charles was able to complete his elementary years

735
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:54.840
without having to change schools because they moved their motor

736
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:55.880
home and lived on.

737
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:57.920
The side of our house for about six months.

738
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:01.440
Then they moved to and he lists off off Washington, Arizona,

739
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.519
and Texas all the way through up until about nineteen

740
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:06.400
ninety eight, in which case I believe he's going to

741
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.320
indicate that he has come back, but I'm not going

742
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:12.840
to take us that far in the chronological order right yet.

743
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:17.039
By nineteen ninety one, Jack moved to Texas, which coincides

744
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.119
with Kaufman's and Deuherst's respective books, which indicates that he

745
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:23.199
retired from Pinkerton or Hewlett Packard in nineteen ninety one

746
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:26.320
at the age of sixty three. February eleventh of nineteen

747
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.719
ninety one, Jack has a copy of a eulogy that

748
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.639
Don Terrence wrote for their brother Chuck Charles Arthur Terrence

749
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.239
Chuck served six years in the Air Force, which would

750
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.079
be consistent with Jack's entering the military and Air Force

751
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:40.400
in nineteen fifty four, when he appeared in Michigan and

752
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.360
ran off with truck to San Francisco, leaving Chuck's wife

753
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.480
and baby, I think in Arkansas. I'm a little curious

754
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:49.880
about this eulogy, though, because it's actually stating that Chuck

755
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.480
died at the age of thirty nine in nineteen ninety one,

756
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.119
and we know that's not true because based on Jack's

757
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:58.400
own pictures, we see that Charles Arthur is born in

758
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:03.679
nineteen thirty five. He is literally I think I've calculated

759
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:07.840
that out fifty six in nineteen ninety one. Who would

760
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:11.960
make such a mistake on their own brothers age? That

761
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.079
confused me a little bet.

762
00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:21.159
Jack Benny say it's thirty nine. Who Jack Benny the comedian?

763
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:22.199
Uh huh?

764
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:25.719
Every time you had a birthday nine?

765
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:32.920
Maybe it was a joke and presented properly printed.

766
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:41.599
Yeah, all right. So in this particular FOYA file, if

767
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:44.920
from the FBI archives, it's realized by the FBI law

768
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:48.199
enforcement that their number one suspect, Arthur Lee Allen's fingerprints

769
00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.400
were never compared to the Layton prints collected in the

770
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:54.199
Zodiac Killers crime scenes. I find this hilarious. You guys

771
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:56.599
are nailing and pegging this guy as the number one

772
00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:59.440
suspect and you haven't even looked at his fingerprints and

773
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:02.440
his phone print vents. So evidently they were sent. They

774
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:07.400
procured the prince, and they did the testing. The million

775
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.119
dollar question that I like to ask if Allan was cleared,

776
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:13.000
So this FOYA file says that he was basically.

777
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:14.000
Clear that they are not a match.

778
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.360
If Allan was cleared on three twenty two of ninety one,

779
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.960
is not matching any of the thirty seven latent prints

780
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:21.880
on file in these crimes. Why did Robert gray Smith

781
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.400
continue to name him in his sequels Zodiac un Massed

782
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:28.320
in nineteen ninety six, And why did Harry Phillips of

783
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.400
twenty twenty include Alan in the DNA testing that they

784
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:34.360
failed to do on Jack. This story told by Dennis

785
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:36.599
and myself in two thousand. It's either two thousand and

786
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:38.880
nine or twenty ten. I think it was about the

787
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.880
time we were about to do Aphrodite Jones. I spoke

788
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.079
with Harry Phillips of twenty on twenty. He had indicated

789
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:48.679
that they had done this DNA testing on I believe

790
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:52.199
eight people, and I asked, why didn't you do Jacks.

791
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.559
Why was Jack's DNA not included in this run? And

792
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:58.920
he said, because we knew the other eight people weren't

793
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:02.199
the zodiac. Guess what, Arthur Lee Allen was one of

794
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:06.239
those people that were tested and were cleared. Yet they

795
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:09.000
go on in the two thousand and seven movie and

796
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:11.719
make it out once again that Arthur Lee Allen is

797
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.320
the actual suspect. I mean, these people just will not

798
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:16.719
let this bone go, or they think we're going to

799
00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:19.280
and we're not going to continue, you know, ammering down

800
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.360
that you are lying about Arthur Lee Allen to distract

801
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:23.000
from the truth.

802
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:26.599
Anybody have anything to add on that.

803
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:32.039
No. Same with the net Netflix. It focuses mainly on

804
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:40.480
Elan more about Alan's about Zodia exactly. It was really

805
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:44.079
close to that's what that well doctor about.

806
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:47.639
So that's well I was going to say, I was

807
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:48.599
going to just ask.

808
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:52.679
That that's just part of the reputation, part of them

809
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.360
trying to the mind control where it goes that all

810
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:57.800
the way back to nk Ultra, where that's literally what

811
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:03.239
they use as as a still to repeat, repeat, repeat.

812
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.159
Things and make it make people.

813
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:08.360
Believe, oh, we're gonna and it always makes their brain

814
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:09.800
go oh like a light bulb.

815
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:13.039
Arthur Lee Allen, and that's why he she's being brought.

816
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.840
Up right right, And that's what media and that's what

817
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.599
TV is good for, is mind control, letting us allowing

818
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:23.000
us to believe the small amounts of information that they

819
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:26.039
want before they hit us with a big deal or

820
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:32.719
vice versa, disinformation in whole. So the next FBI foy

821
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.480
A file I find absolutely floored me. It was the

822
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:38.559
last one in the foil in the Foyat archives for

823
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:41.440
the FBI and it is dated four twenty four of

824
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:44.159
nineteen ninety one. So now we have Arthur Lee Allen

825
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.599
who's been cleared in March twenty ninth of ninety and

826
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:50.679
ninety one, and April twenty fourth of ninety one, a

827
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:55.039
month later, the FBI is pulling out of the investigation.

828
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.039
Why would the Sacramento FBI discontinue their investigation into this

829
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:03.280
maniac when clear his operating across state lines, children are involved,

830
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:05.039
and it seems to be something that is right up

831
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:08.199
their alley or at least in their jurisdiction. That's when

832
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:11.840
I plopped in here, Epstein being filthy rich, because that's

833
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:14.440
telling me that this person is going to continue to

834
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:16.599
get away with it because the powers that be are

835
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:20.280
making sure that he does. That was my second million

836
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:22.880
dollar question in regards to this. Why did the FBI

837
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:28.079
shut down their investigation? This is still an extortion case

838
00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:33.840
and an extortion of many newspapers and many individuals at

839
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.960
this particular time. In August of August eighth of nineteen

840
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:40.440
ninety one, we find Jane Doe number three in the

841
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.199
killing fields, which I believe has been identified League City

842
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:48.079
with Phi Miller and Jane Doe number two were found

843
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:50.719
again both the Jing do I know two of the

844
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.400
Jane does so. This one says there's a third Jane Doe.

845
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:55.320
I'm not sure if that one has been identified yet.

846
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:58.440
I'll have to go back and look at that. That

847
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:02.000
actually brings us to the communication. And I believe this

848
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:06.159
one comes out of the Walsh files, correct, Lindsay, Yes,

849
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:10.239
this is a It's sent to Charlie Reese of the

850
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.440
Sentinel Star. I think that we've talked about the Sentinel Star.

851
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:18.519
Oh, yeah, we have. The major one is in Florida.

852
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:22.079
Where he's from. Well, well, well i'll say where he's from.

853
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:26.079
He's from He's from New York actually, but he resided

854
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:27.320
in Florida most of his life.

855
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.199
And I believe either a fake or a real anthrax

856
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:37.920
letter was also mailed to the Star. Well, we're going

857
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:39.800
to be coming up on that soon, but I'm pretty

858
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:43.159
sure that the Sentinel Star or the Star is one

859
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.360
of the entities that received one of the anthrax letters.

860
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.960
So this was sent to Harriet, I guess from Megan Walsh.

861
00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:55.000
I see Megan's name on the side here, and it

862
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:57.039
was December eighth of twenty twenty three.

863
00:47:57.079 --> 00:47:57.440
I don't know.

864
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.920
She just posted it online and that's where Harriet got

865
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:03.800
it from, or if she was communicating with Megan Walsh

866
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:05.000
and received this letter.

867
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:06.559
So it was I think I seen it.

868
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:11.119
I think that was before she met Harriet, and Harriet

869
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:15.039
has saw it and contacted her about what. You know,

870
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:19.000
She's been researching already, and I think.

871
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:22.199
Harriet believes that it was mailed in nineteen eighty four.

872
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:23.800
So I'm going to have to put that back in

873
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:26.719
chronological order with nineteen eighty four in the Happenings of

874
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:29.800
Adam Walsh, because this letter is definitely in regards to him.

875
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:32.880
I did a little bit of map questing when I

876
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:34.480
was looking at it, because I was a little bit

877
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.760
shocked to hear that this was Hollywood, Florida. I guess

878
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:41.599
I never really tuned into that when I looked at it.

879
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:45.840
On the map, Hollywood, Florida is right in between Donya

880
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:49.480
Beach and Fort Lauderdale, and we have a picture of

881
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:53.280
Jack and Fort Lauderdale which looks like it is circa

882
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:57.840
the couples killing in Donia Beach back in nineteen forty six,

883
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.280
and I think that was too let law enforcement know

884
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.400
they didn't have the right person in jail for the

885
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:05.239
texar Cana phantom murders.

886
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:06.440
So we have these.

887
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:09.639
Couples that are murdered in or a set of couples

888
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:13.119
in Dania Donia Beach that were murdered, and it's very

889
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:16.000
close to the Hollywood area and also very close to

890
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:19.119
Fort Lauderdale. All of these were about fourteen to seventeen

891
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:23.400
minutes apart. So this letter says, I met this guy

892
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:28.000
in Ocala Barr who said he knew someone that would

893
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:32.000
pay ten grand for a young boy. This guy had

894
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:36.280
lost his kid and his wife was going nuts. We

895
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.719
took the deal. He paid cash.

896
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:40.840
I went to It.

897
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:42.880
Looks like he's going to start to say Chicago, but

898
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.440
that words cut off, so I don't have all of

899
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.199
this message. I went to Chicago. Let's say my friend

900
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:52.840
stayed put, so indicating that he stayed in the Florida area.

901
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:57.559
I get back and find this kid was killed. I

902
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:01.039
know his name was Adam and he was from the Islands.

903
00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:04.840
We got him in Hollywood. I don't know this man's name,

904
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:08.559
he don't know mine. He is a big beard and

905
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:12.119
don't wear any shoes on his feet. He is crazy,

906
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:14.760
as I'm gonna guess, hell is what this?

907
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:15.480
Oh?

908
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:18.719
So this is the one that as sent you in

909
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:20.559
an email a couple of days ago that I have

910
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:25.039
found again, and and and then there's more correspondence added

911
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.840
to it so you can see the full thing in

912
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:31.320
your email if if you want to, just bring it

913
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:32.039
back up later.

914
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:35.280
Yeah, you know what, And this this episode has been

915
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:38.039
so Christine. We're out of time, and I'm going to

916
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:40.239
follow up with all those emails and the information you

917
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.119
sent me. Lindsay, everybody, have a wonderful weekend. Thank you

918
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:44.079
both for being here.

919
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:50.360
We'll see you next Friday. Well, one thing, we're done, guys.

920
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:53.159
We got to cut it off one minutes, all right,

921
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.840
We'll see y'all next week.

922
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:18.000
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