Dec. 27, 2024

Episode 158: Atlanta Georgia Child Killer, Part 2 cont… 12-27-24

Episode 158: Atlanta Georgia Child Killer, Part 2 cont… 12-27-24

Atlanta Georgia Child Killer speaks up and begins sending letters to the media just as the Zodiac Killer has. Jack is on the outs with Nora. Seems he is still married to Dolores, and is divorcing her for the second time in 1981. I would guess that...

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Atlanta Georgia Child Killer speaks up and begins sending letters to the media just as the Zodiac Killer has. Jack is on the outs with Nora. Seems he is still married to Dolores, and is divorcing her for the second time in 1981. I would guess that their marriage is not valid. Nora leaves Jack again and he is free to do as he pleases.

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Good Morning, True Seekers and True crime Junkies. Welcome back

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for our last episode of the year in twenty twenty

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four for Hit the Road, Jack Finding the Zodiac. I'd

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like to start by welcoming Nolan del Campo to the

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show today.

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Good morning, everybody.

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Good morning.

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So last week we left off on the relative Lena Adair,

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so I have her documents that were mailed to Jack

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listing him as j. W. Terrence, So even his own

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family recognizes him as JW. Terrence, even in with all

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the different variations that we've seen. And I also want

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to note too that we are on slide twenty two

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and twenty two, so this is going to be twenty

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twenty four is going to be amazing. I'm sorry, twenty

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twenty five is going to be amazing because we are

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ending our presentation with some of my favorite numbers. What

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I did note, and I wanted to go back and

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kind of cover this because we did talk about it

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a little bit last last week, is the fact that

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Jack is listed on here twice as cousins now living

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and as cousins deceased, which I thought was interesting because

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the now living cousin Jack Terrence is showing an address

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of Route one, Welling, Oklahoma, seven four four, seven to two,

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I'm sorry, seven to one, and to me that that

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substantiates the presence in Oklahoma, and when we talk about

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or when Dennis would talk about Jack going back to

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Oklahoma for a month at a time or so to

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buy pot is what he had said. The more questionable

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part of that is that they the deceased relative or

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the deceased cousin.

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Mister JW.

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Terrence was mailed to his current address at four four

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two eight Auburn Boulevard, Space thirty six, Sacramento, California, nine

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five eight four one. So I thought that was fairly

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interesting to have him listed twice, not only once right

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here under ooh, go back under sub section one Cousin's

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now living, we see him right here listed as number two,

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right behind Fleet Terrence. And I also was under the

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impression that Fleet was a I did not know that

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he was a relative. But it shows him in Abilene,

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Texas too, and maybe more more notably Charles Terrence in

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North Hollywood, California. So we're seeing this pattern of where

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we say that Jack travels where unsolved murders occur, that

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he literally has somebody somebody that is living in that

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area where he would be visiting or stopping on through.

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Let's see now here we show under section two JW.

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Terrence at the forty four to twenty eight Auburn Boulevard.

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But it's showing that he's a deceased relative rather than

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a Let's see, it says deceased cousins and children. So

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now it's being listed as a child, a child rather

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than a cousin.

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What year did i'd diet?

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This isn't Jack, this is Lena Adair, This isn't a

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cousin or let's see. So from what I can tell,

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she's only listing cousins, so she must not have anybody,

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no siblings outward, no of so she's listing these as

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cousins now living and then in the next one, it

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stated that these are deceased cousins and children, So as

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if JW. Terrence is the either child or cousin, I

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was just that we had him listed twice.

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My point is, wasn't Jack still alive in nineteen eighty October?

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He was?

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That's what I'm saying is so strange.

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So we have a living cousin named Jack Terrence in Welling, Oklahoma,

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and then we have a deceased either cousin or children

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of a cousin and listed as J. W. Terrence on

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Auburn Boulevard, which we have all kinds of evidence that

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shows that that's exactly where he was seventy nine through

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eighty one. That trailer that Dennis talked about that Jack

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couldn't sit around in, so he was often gone, taking

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them camping or running off to Oklahoma either way.

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I uh, let's see.

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And that's just a list of assets and what's left

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over balance available for distribution fifty six hundred dollars. The

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attorney got a whopping grand for actually sending out these

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letters where live Let's see, I don't believe it States school, Yeah,

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oh yeah, sorry, New Mexico in accordance provisions. Ye New

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Mexico probate code, so that's where she passed. Now, New

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Mexico was an interesting place. I think Constellation Mountains is

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either in New Mexico. I want to say it was

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in New Mexico if my memory serves me correctly, I'd

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have to go back. But this is where Dennis said

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that Jack would tell a story about going into Constellation

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Mountains with two other guys and when he came out,

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he only had one other guy with him, as if

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to say they had killed somebody in those mountains, which

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I always thought was an interesting statement. And how can

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you prove that, you know, got to go back and

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find some bones first. Yeah, But to top that off,

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I found that in November of nineteen eighty that Jack

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is definitely in Texas once again. So as I had

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stated before, he's consistently and constantly going back to Mom,

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even through the holidays, so he's constantly traveling, constantly on

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the road. Flova is actually listed at Gorman, Texas on

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their paperwork, and we don't see any murders from November

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twenty seventh or November fifteenth really through December, so everything

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is kind of like squashed at that point in California.

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I also had placed in here that Jack's son, Barry

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dies of liver disease at the age of twenty eight.

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Jack quits drinking for about twenty years or.

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So, And Barry's also living in Stringtown, Oklahoma, which is

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another relation to Oklahoma for Jack.

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Right, So his little driver's license.

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Here and I want to say, expires eight of eighty

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so probably was given to him. I don't know what

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the how many years Oklahoma allows you to keep your

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driver's license for here in California it's five years. But

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so we could assume that he had already been there

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for a good three to five years, probably living in Oklahoma,

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which would be a place that Jack would probably frequent.

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Dennis's book says in nineteen eighty one, Jack's biological son

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from his first wife passed away at age twenty eight.

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Is had a big effect on Jack. This is the

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same year that the Zodiac murders stopped. According to Gray Smith,

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this is when Jack stopped drinking for almost twenty years.

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In nineteen eighty two, Jack and my mother separated, and

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Jack went back to Texas to be with his mother.

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My youngest sisters went to Michigan to live with our

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real father and my mother, Charles and I moved into

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an apartment in Fair Oaks.

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So a couple things to note there. That relation to

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Michigan again that we were.

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Talking about again with the OCCK, and then the Oklahoma

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is just kind of a midpoint in the United States

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where you know, if Jack needed to stop off.

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Or do you know, whatever it was that he needed

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to do.

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As far as Dennis was concerned, like picking up pot

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or what have you, they would give him a good

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excuse to.

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Be gone for quite some time.

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And right now we're at the height of the Atlanta,

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Georgia child murders, So that's putting Jack closer to that

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area if that's what he's actively doing.

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And he may have just said he.

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Was going there to buy pot, you know, I mean,

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it just gives him an out for not being around

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with the family, more so than you would think most

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fathers would be. But we can see Jack in the

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back of these pictures here back left hand quarter, so

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we do know that he was there, and it says

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Thanksgiving in nineteen eighty That brings us to a few

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more murders. On January third of nineteen eighty one, we

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had Luby Geeter in Atlanta, January twenty second, nineteen eighty one.

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Terry Pew in Atlanta. On February fourth of nineteen eighty one,

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Jack shows a second divorce from Doris Wallace. So Wallace Reynolds.

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Reynolds was her I believe her first married name, and

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that was case number two six one two file zero

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one one nine. So this second divorce was interesting because

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I saw divorce paperwork four Jack and Doris case number

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two six one eight two two file one zero seven

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four zero zero in Santa Clara County. So to see

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the second divorce happening made maybe the reason why Dennis

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indicated that Jack and Nora had split. So I had

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that they'd split in nineteen eighty one, and I have

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to go back. I'm sure we'll come across their divorce

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paperwork around this point in time. But again Jack is

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off and running and free. He's back in Texas. Purportedly

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we see that on February sixth. We had Patrick Baltazzari

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in Atlanta February nineteenth, Curtis Walker in Atlanta, March second,

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nineteen eighty one. Joseph Bell in March thirteenth, nineteen eighty

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one he was found in Atlanta. So the reason why

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I bring these murders up is because we know Jack's

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no longer in California. We know that Robert gray Smith

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is confirmed that they don't believe that they've had any

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Zodiac unsolved murders that are occurring in California, which helps

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to assert the fact that Jack is not in California

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at this time. And yet we have this entire murder

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spree that is going on over in Atlanta, Georgia. And

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that brings us to the first communication in the Atlanta,

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Georgia child killer case, and that is a stopped we

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called it, or I call it stop force bussing. I

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don't know how everybody else refers to it. But there

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were some things that Harriet and I had been discussing

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in regards to the word bus, which we see the

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Zodiac misspell as buss, and then we see it in

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this particular communication. Stop force bussing now one of the

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things that Harry had talked about, and I actually looked

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it up to see what it is. So buss over here,

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let's see bus plural noun, buses verb, bus, third person present,

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buses past, tense bus past participle bust gerrand and present

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participle bussing equals kiss. I thought that was interesting because

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Harriet's reference to the word bus was the kiss of death,

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and that's something or a term that the mob frequently

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used to bust somebody was to basically kill them.

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In this note, it seems to me that this is

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some sort of racist it's answer against against integration of schools.

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To some degree, it does.

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And this is what really kind of irked me about

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this whole entire case and them trying to pin it

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on a black man, is that there we'll talk about

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one of the victims calling home and saying, a nice

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white man picked me up and gave me a ride,

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and then we have this stop force bussing or I

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will kill three more black boys in Atlanta in March.

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My issue with that is that the attempts to bust

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these children inner city to outer city schools to get

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better educations was supposed to be good for them, right,

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I mean they.

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Were, but that's you know, Georgia. And so they fought

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it in Boston and people are racist everywhere, especially in

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the South.

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But white people fought it, or black people fought it.

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White people fought it, Okay.

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So that's what I'm saying.

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So this is more inclined to have come from somebody

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who's white versus somebody who's black. And we know that

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the person that they hemmed up for this particular or

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they would like the world to believe he was an

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African American. Right, So we're not that the crossing of

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those lines aren't really making sense in my head.

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But his actual convictions were too adult murders, not for

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any of the kids.

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Right, Well, they attempted to pin that entire yea.

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Everyone assumes that he was the guy, but he was

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never convicted of the child murders.

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And I believe his name was Wayne Williams. Getting to him, Yeah,

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we'll be getting to him. So again, as you said,

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the communication says, please stop stop force bussing, or I

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will kill three more black boys in Atlanta in March. Now,

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if we take this to mean, let's say all the

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solves that Harriet's come up with where she believes that

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this is politically driven, mob driven, and we cross reference

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to the word bussing, could this message then be saying

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stop the forced killings.

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That's kind of a stretch to me. I think I

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take it more literally.

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Well, I then, but that's the ploy of the zodiac.

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You've got two ways you can go with any communication.

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He's not going to tell you.

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Straight away what's going on, but to stop force bussing.

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He's being forced, he says, right to kill people. And

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he's not getting his pay, he's not getting his remedy,

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he's not getting these things that Harriet's talking about. So

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to me, the message in context, I can read it

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for what it's worth. And yes, it sounds like somebody

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who's against you know, black children being shipped out to

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outer schools where they're primarily white. But the whole premise

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of this was to give them an opportunity to get

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out of the drugs and the gangs inner city and

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get out to schools where they could actually educate and learn.

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Either way, it also came with this particular card which

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looks to me to be it's all kinds of newspapers,

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so it's evidently something that is going to run. It's

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a freestanding insert, it says, and it lists Allentown Call Chronicle,

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Baltimore News, American Charleston Gazette.

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I heard a dang. I was like, where's that ding coming.

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From Cleveland, Playing Dealer, Any Times News, Bergen County Record,

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Cape Cod Times, Lancaster Sunday News, Lexington Herald Leader, New

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Hampshire News, Middletown Record, New Bedford, Stanford Times, Portland Telegram,

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and Reading Eagle, all with the dates of three to one,

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nineteen eighty one. And I'm assuming, since we do not

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have a envelope for this particular communication, that this was

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probably mailed on this same date. And again, who would

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have this freestanding insert card with all of the information

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of who it was to go to? So I did

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look up some information in regards to what they were

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saying out there on the Internet. I did find some

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information that says possible connections to the Diggers, the underground

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racist would be linked in some way.

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But WXIATV Atlanta.

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Is a hearst argyle television station, So how are we

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have hearst being written to in Atlanta, Georgia. So that

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must be the actual envelope for them to know that

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this was mailed to w x i A. They could

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just unevenly report crime to stoke the flames of hate.

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And Larry Kane was a collector, and I think that

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Kane was probably this particular message boards suspect at the time,

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would he have been a hit man? He may have

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chosen the name Kane as a subliminal thing thinking of

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his employer and the movie Citizen Kane.

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Do you know anything about that movie Citizen Kane?

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Yes, I did or expert on it.

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What's that movie?

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Directed it? Wrote it? Yeah, but Joseph Mankwitz actually wrote

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most of the script. And there's a movie that came

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out a couple of years back called mank that was

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nominated for Best Picture. It's about the making of Citizen Kane.

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And what was that movie?

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What was the movie Citizen of Kane? Citizen Kane about

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William Randall?

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First, Oh, it all comes back to Hurst, the media,

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Yupp and May.

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Who wrote it was good friends with Herst and really

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good friends with Davies. Is why Hurst?

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Why interesting?

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So I told myself to enter information about each of

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the newspapers and research the codes evidence presented newspapers, paper companies,

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Textrawn and Gannett with some of the names that I

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came up with in the research that I was doing

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with this. But we'll talk about the letter really quick.

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So March first, nineteen eighty one, the KHJA TV Studios

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letter from Atlanta, Georgia, which was handwritten, serves to cross

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connect the killings in Atlanta with the movie they are

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making on Zodiac back in Los Angeles.

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It's in all caps.

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Please stop force bussing or I will kill three more

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black boys in Atlanta in March. First at we already

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talked about if the suspect was an African American African male,

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he would not be killing his own kind to lash

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out of the system that unfairly was treating the race.

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Right, I mean, you don't.

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You don't kill your own kind if you're complaining about

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the unfair treatment. Right busting is reminiscent of the misspelling

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from the Zodiac of bus. This letter is a prediction

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of what is to come you. No killings have taken place,

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but he declares there will be more, Like the Zodiac

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and others. The DC Freeway phantom predicted a future death

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listed in his cipher, but the time came and went

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and went and nothing had occurred. Only three cities got

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this insert for classic model cars that the message came

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in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, Long Beach, Florida, and Chicago, Illinois. Again

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we're hitting back and tapping into those very places that

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we believe Jack is actually hit. Please is constantly used.

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I'm not sure if we're going to consider this serial

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killer to be a nice guy because he says please.

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There's a really good documentary that came out a few

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years back on Wayne Williams and Atlantic murders, and it

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seemed to suggest that it was a group of racist

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white men that we're doing. The killing is not just

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one killer, but a group of people multiple right, Well.

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And we've been kind of succumbing to that whole group

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theory thus far.

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Anyway, So I let's see. So here we have the

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news bureaus cover political events in the US for that area.

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Majority of these newspapers are Democrat affiliated or back that

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political side, even if the owner, publisher, or editor was

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a staunch Republican. I thought that was extremely interesting to

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note that in my research, each and every single one

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of these were actually democratically positioned newspapers in what they

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would actually report. So and I also had made a

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connection to the Zodiac space tronics ad mat Off Epstein

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and how the news promoted them and broke them, as

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well as these crimes occurring all over the US I

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just started watching The Son of Sam last night. I'm

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going to be doing a podcast with Sam Juaquin Valley Transparency,

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and he suggested that I take a look at the

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Son of Sam murders that occurred in New York. The

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biggest thing I've taken away from it at this point

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is that the individual they're making this documentary on actually

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was writing for the newspapers, but his stories were getting squashed,

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so he would come in with this great story, and

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in fact, one of them was in regards to Martin

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Luther King, the writing that was occurring and all the

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things that were happening, and the newspaper companies absolutely denied

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running his particular story, twisted turned it and made it

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sound like something other than it actually was, which I

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thought was interesting, but that's kind of the premise.

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There's an excellent book on the Son of Sam murders

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called The Ultimate Evil, and I owned the book and

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I could lady borrow, and it basically attributes the murders

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to a group of Satanic cultis, of which David Burkerwoods

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was part Broken Woods. The guy's in prison. This guy

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got blamed the fall guy, but he did actually do

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a couple of killings, but there were way more. And

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there's references to a hitman from California being involved too,

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and that's.

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One of the things that I will be bringing up

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and talking about. I haven't gotten that far into it

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just yet, but I know that one of the vehicles

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that we're seen at several of the crimes was a

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yellow Volkswagon, and we know that Jack also owned a

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yellow Volkswagen, so there could be some connectivity there. I

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just need to see what year it was that and

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of course I really don't know how long Jack owned

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it for, so even if I do find the year,

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it's just based on a single picture Jack in front

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of the or not a single there's several pictures, but

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they were all at one time frame in the Volkswagen

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while he was visiting his mom in Texas. So we

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do know that there could be some connectivity there.

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In the book, there's lots of mention of the yellow Volkswagen. Also,

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there's a theory in the book that they may have

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been doing filming the murderers and making stuff movies and

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sell them to rich wirdos. Yeah, that's a thing.

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Well. Another thing that I noted too is that they

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were saying that New York was pretty much I mean,

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it was just at the height of chaos.

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And crime and filth.

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And I mean when they're showing these pictures from back

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in those days, I don't know of anybody who would

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want to live in a city that looked like that.

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I mean, it was absolutely disgusting looking. And the mayor

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of New York was downsizing the police department in order

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to save money for the city, which obviously is taking

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more people off the street to help defend the citizens

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of New York. And I thought that was interesting that

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this is now the time that somebody attempts to perpetrate

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a crime like this.

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And boy, the amount of.

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Newspapers that were sold. I did see one of the

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newspapers I want to say. It was The Daily let

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me see.

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If I got my note here. Yeah, the Daily News.

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I don't know who that's owned by yet, but it

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said it was the largest newspaper company in the United States.

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I have to believe that that's hers.

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I mean, how many other big, big people you know?

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I think so yeah, because he didn't have The Times,

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so yeah, I think he did have The Daily News.

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I'm gonna be looking into it.

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I'm just making myself. I'm just making myself some notes

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to see what I can follow. So the commonalities are

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a Jewish descent. From all these newspapers, the commonalities are

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a Jewish descent, such as Hirst and other media syndicates.

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The Cleveland Plane Dealer is in this list, and that

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is where we saw the Zodiac watch ad come from,

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and they promoted Gray Smith and his book on the Zodiac.

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So I thought, oh, even more interesting. I mean, the

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Cleveland Plane Dealer all the way out in Ohio, and

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we know there is some reference to Ohio. We see

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some things that happen with the Winovich and Ohio. So

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there are some things that are unsolved that just link

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right back to these particular newspapers.

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So this is what I had.

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I'm sorry were more pointing on the California link to

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the to the Son of Sam murders. The book opens

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up with a murder in the chapel at Stanford and

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done by a single individual. And this woman had been

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fled from South Dakota. I bey and actually her husband

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got accepted at Stanford, so they moved to Palo Alto,

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and the Satanic followed her to Palo Alto and killed

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her in the church on Stanford campus. And that's wow.

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You know, what I thought was extremely interesting is the

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opening in the Son of Sam murders there flashing through

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old pictures of chaos and crimes.

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And things like that.

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And I believe what I saw was the three girls

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from the Manson family that were being led down a

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hallway and they were all in blues, like you know,

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a prison outfit type thing. But when I saw this,

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the girl did this, so she did the like the

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eye symbol that we've noted the Zodiac for in the

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Halloween card, where she basically looked through it like you know,

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I spy watching you something like that.

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I don't know.

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I just thought it was an interesting It caught my

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eye and I went, I've seen this before, what is

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this about? And I remember seeing this in the Halloween

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card by the Zodiac. So the Allentown Called Chronicle is

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owned in Pennsylvania by Hurst. Baltimore News American is owned

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in Maryland by Hurst. Charlestown Gazette is owned in West

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Virginia by the nineteen fourteen Alaska governor Walter ELI.

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Clark.

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The Cleveland Playing Dealer is owned by Thomas Vale Trust

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at this particular point in time. The Bree Times News

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is in Pennsylvania and the owner is John Jay Mead Senior.

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The Bergen County Record is in New Jersey owned by

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John Malcolm and Gregory Borg. Cape Cod Times is in

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Massachusetts owned by Dunn and Brewer. Lancaster Sunday News is

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out of Pennsylvania, but I couldn't locate who the owner was.

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Lexington Harold Leader in Kenteyuy was owned by John Knight

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and Herman Ritter. New Hampshire News was out of New Hampshire. Again,

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I could not find an owner for that. The Middletown

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Record was in New York nineteen fifty nine owned by

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James h Ottaway Senior.

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Shortly after nineteen sixty nine it was purchased by Dow Jones.

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And we've heard Dow Jones come out in some of

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the saws by Lauren swearing them.

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00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:25.559
Yeah, Dow Jones also Wall Street Journal.

469
00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:30.160
I'm sorry he it was Dow Chemicals, but it's Dow right,

470
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.319
I mean Dow was Dow.

471
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:35.759
Jones ownes the Wall Street Journal. I interviewed with them

472
00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:36.880
for a job went done.

473
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:39.319
Yeah, Oh that one been exciting.

474
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:43.759
Yeah, it was in LA the u USC campus. I

475
00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:46.720
got interviews with LA Times and with the Wall Street Journal,

476
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:48.359
but I didn't get another job.

477
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.920
The New Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It still exciting

478
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:54.480
either way.

479
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:59.039
New Bedford Stanford Times as out of Massachusetts owned owned

480
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:03.880
by Warren Hathaway owned by Rupert Murdoch and Dow Jones

481
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:08.440
Company now Portland, Oregon, or the Portland Telegram out of Portland,

482
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:11.079
Oregon merged with the News. But no, I didn't have

483
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.839
any owner information after nineteen thirty one on that one,

484
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.359
and then the Reading Eagle out of Pennsylvania again unable

485
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:23.279
to determine who the owner was. So my laundering in

486
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:26.319
research in regards to these newspapers show that the Cleveland

487
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:31.480
Plane Dealer we already talked about that let's see, referred

488
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:35.359
to by the Atlanta Georgia child murderer and pushed Senator

489
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:39.400
Voinovitch while not providing for okay, So my point behind

490
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:42.279
this particular slide is that we see some things with

491
00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:46.559
this particular the Cleveland Plaine Dealer in regards to political leanings,

492
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:50.079
and it shows in the presidential election of nineteen sixty

493
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.440
four the paper was strongly opposed to reelection of Abraham Lincoln.

494
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:57.519
An editorial dated November five, November asked, rhetorically, do you

495
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:00.559
want four more years of war? Vote for Lencoln? Do

496
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:02.440
you want the constitution destroyed?

497
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:03.359
Vote for Lincoln?

498
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:06.119
Do you want the degraded Negroes made your social and

499
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:07.079
political equals?

500
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:08.319
Vote for Lincoln?

501
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:12.680
I thought, Oh boy, so at least the Killer's writing

502
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:14.480
to the right newspaper Right.

503
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:18.640
Says.

504
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:20.839
The Plane Dealer has been criticized in the past by

505
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:25.119
liberal columnists for sneaking out generally conservative positions on its

506
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:30.400
editorial page despite serving a predominantly Democratic readership base. In

507
00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.319
two thousand and four, the editorial board voted to endorse

508
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:38.680
Democratic US Senator John Kerry after publisher Alex mcchaski overruled it,

509
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:42.119
ordering the board to write an endorsement of Republican George W.

510
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:47.599
Bush. Editorial page editor, I know it just gets better.

511
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:55.000
Editorial page editor Brent Larkin persuaded McCaskey to withhold any endorsement.

512
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.839
The news coverage is generally more neutral, and national and

513
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:01.680
international news have often called from war higher services, including

514
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:04.400
The New York Times. The paper had been criticized as

515
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.480
being too soft in its coverage of Senator George Vowinovitch

516
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.079
from Ohio and in the two thousand and four election

517
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:13.799
cycle for the US Senate, not providing fair coverage if

518
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:19.960
any Tovich's opponent, State Senator Eric Finger figure Hut, a Democrat.

519
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:24.240
So interesting to note that while they're pulling for Vowinovich,

520
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:28.519
he becomes somebody that is eventually written to with communications

521
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:33.000
that are very zodiac like, and there are pieces of

522
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:36.759
evidence within those particular communications that are consistent with things

523
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:38.240
that we saw being mailed.

524
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:40.400
Back in the Halloween card.

525
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.880
So they also spoke about publishing concealed weapons permit holder lists.

526
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:49.000
So in two thousand and five, the newspaper Twice published

527
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:52.119
lists of concealed weapon permit holders from the five counties

528
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:56.680
and around Cleveland. Editor Doug Clifton defended the newspaper's decision,

529
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.920
sparking a feud with a pro carry lobbyist groups.

530
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:00.200
Eight.

531
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:03.920
Senator Steve Austria called it abuse of the media access privilege,

532
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.839
saying publishing these names would threaten the safety of the

533
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:07.400
men and.

534
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:08.839
Women who obtained these permits.

535
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:12.839
An Ohio gun rights group then publish Clifton's home address

536
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:13.640
and phone number.

537
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.160
So look what they're doing. They're throwing these people under

538
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:18.880
the bus, like don't don't hit this house. Let me

539
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:20.519
let me put this out there in the newspaper. If

540
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:23.720
you're a robber, don't hit this house. You would get shut.

541
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:27.519
But that's a complete I mean, the fact that the

542
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:30.680
newspaper has even had access to these lists to begin with,

543
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.000
or thought that they could even publish them, is just

544
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:38.279
mind boggling. I know that that if you go in

545
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.279
for an appeal on a concealed weapons permit, that that

546
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.440
is a confidential hearing. Nobody else is allowed to know

547
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:46.240
about it. Nobody else is going to be in there.

548
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.799
So how is it possible that somebody could just arbitrarily

549
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:54.440
print all of these individuals addresses that owned guns so

550
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:59.200
Hell's stories. Yeah that yeah, that's a that's a violation.

551
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.480
Maybe they had an inside source.

552
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.440
Yeah, well it would still be a violation of privacy.

553
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:08.799
I mean, I know we didn't have things and stuff

554
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:11.839
like that back then, but that's private information that is

555
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.759
not accessible through public records. So why is it that

556
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:17.119
they did this and they're going to defend it. Of

557
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:19.880
course they're going to defend it.

558
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.400
And they're sources either.

559
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.559
No, absolutely not, and It doesn't even state here that

560
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:26.640
they got it from a source.

561
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.240
It just what did it say?

562
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:30.119
Uh?

563
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:35.000
Abuse of the media access privilege, So as if they have.

564
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:40.079
Access access to stuff not a source, and they shouldn't

565
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:41.200
have access to anything.

566
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:41.839
What the hell?

567
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.519
We know how horrible that the media is when it

568
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.720
comes to putting out information true or not true, and

569
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:49.160
harming people's lives.

570
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.119
They shouldn't have access to nothing.

571
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:57.720
Yeah, that's about California. That access doesn't exist for those

572
00:31:57.759 --> 00:31:58.960
type of records.

573
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:03.160
Yeah, and it shouldn't old stories in controversy. The Plain

574
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:05.799
Dealer made national headlines in summer two thousand and five

575
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:09.839
when editor Douglas Clifton announced that the newspaper was withholding

576
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.440
two stories of profound importance after Judith Miller of The

577
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:15.960
New York Times and Matthew Cooper of the Time magazine

578
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:19.359
were ordered to reveal confidential sources who had provided information

579
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:24.440
on Valerie Plane. I don't know who she is, Joseph

580
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.759
Williams's wife being a Oh, Joseph Williams's wife being a

581
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.079
CIA operative. Wilson was a prominent critic of the administration

582
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:35.880
the decision to compel the reporters to reveal sources was

583
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.559
seen in the news media as a license to go

584
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:41.480
after reporters and newspapers in the courtroom for not revealing

585
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:44.920
confidential informants. It was considered a violation of the trust

586
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:48.440
between reporter and said informants. Clifton was vilified in the

587
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.480
news media as having no backbone, and he admitted that

588
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.759
people could refer to him as as chicken shit. Clifton

589
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.720
told the National Press that while he and the reporters

590
00:32:57.759 --> 00:32:59.839
involved in the story were willing to be jailed for

591
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:02.880
no revealing sources, the legal department of the Plane Dealer

592
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.759
publishing company was worried that the newspaper itself would be

593
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.039
sued and strongly opposed the printing of the stories. Talking

594
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.279
isn't an option, and jail is too high a price

595
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:14.960
to pay, Clifton said. The controversy ended a month later

596
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:19.519
when The Cleveland Scene, an alternative weekly Cleveland newspaper, published

597
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.960
a similar story. The Plane Dealer then printed its withheld

598
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.960
story a reporter a report that a federal corruption probe

599
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.000
had targeted former mayor Michael R.

600
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:29.359
White.

601
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.759
Both newspaper stories were based on leaked documents. The second

602
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:38.119
Withheld story was yet to be revealed, so here we

603
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:44.000
have media being controlled or controlling the flow of good information.

604
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.480
Obviously this wasn't just based on someone's word says that

605
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.240
there are documents that had been leaked in regards to

606
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:53.839
whatever this controversy that was that was going on.

607
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:58.839
But again we see the media manipulating what the public

608
00:33:58.880 --> 00:33:59.599
gets to see.

609
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:02.640
A lot of times what they're allowing us to see

610
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:08.880
isn't even the truth. So the Charleston Gazette sues Google

611
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:10.639
and Facebook. So while I'm in the middle of all

612
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.119
of this research, I skip across the links where Charleston

613
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.320
Gazette sues Google and Facebook for dominating the digital media

614
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:20.599
and attempts to put them out of business. And it's

615
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.039
the first lawsuit of its kind. I thought that was

616
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:27.559
interesting as well. But that is the time, right, I mean,

617
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:31.719
we're moving into the Internet age, We've got access at

618
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.960
our fingertips. But that also kind of forces I guess,

619
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.320
these media companies to produce their stuff digitally in order

620
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.280
to get that share of the market. Who's going to

621
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:43.480
be interested? And then how do you charge for that?

622
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.239
I do see that there are things like New York Times.

623
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.079
You can't read their articles, you can't go into their archives,

624
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.199
you can't see any of their stuff without actively paying

625
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:57.519
for a subscription to them. Now, I think this is

626
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:02.719
off of Zodiac ciphers dot com letters cross connection with

627
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:06.000
the Zodiac Killer's nineteen seventy Halloween card and the Viwinovitch

628
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:09.880
greeting card in two thousand and it says the December twenty,

629
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.920
two thousand greeting card, which I believe they're referring to

630
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.039
the Viwinovitch card which we were just speaking about. A

631
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.519
business reply envelope postmark Cleveland, Ohio, March second, nineteen eighty one,

632
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:27.480
bearing the press printed address the Dan Barry Mint Richards Avenue. Oh,

633
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.320
they must be backing it all the way up to

634
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.480
the nineteen eighty one stuff that's going on the Dan

635
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:37.639
Barry mint Richards Avenue, PO Box five two six zero, Norwalk, Connecticut,

636
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.679
contain the message please stop force bussing. Oh okay, so

637
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:43.639
this is they're now talking about the envelope that we

638
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:48.800
do not see. Please stop force bussing or I will

639
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.800
kill three more black boys in Atlanta in March. Six

640
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.280
days later, a letter claiming to be from the Zodiac

641
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:59.119
Killer arrived at the television station WXIA TV eleven Alive

642
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.800
at sixteen eleven West Peachtree Street, and we're going to

643
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:05.440
come up to that letter here at a minute, Atlanta

644
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:07.960
three zero three zero eight on March eighth of nineteen

645
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:11.079
eighty one, stating Hello, it's me. Haven't you people figured

646
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:14.800
out who's killing these little people yet? So almost as

647
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:16.599
if and when we get to that letter, you'll see

648
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.519
that is basically the Zodiac taking credit for these Atlanta,

649
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:24.199
Georgia killers are killings. I therefore went in search of

650
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.039
other communications from these postmark locations that bore any similarity

651
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.559
to the Zodiac Killer. The following find is extremely unlikely

652
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.039
to have any connection to the Bay Area murder, but

653
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.039
it was a threatening greeting card that carried the same

654
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:41.199
message apparently included with the Zodiac Killers October twenty seventh,

655
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:45.599
nineteen seventy Halloween card. The arrival date carries some significance.

656
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.440
The card was postmarked just twenty two days before the

657
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:51.480
two thousand and one Happy New Year Zodiac greeting card,

658
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.559
which was mailed to the San Francisco Chronicle on January tenth,

659
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.880
two thousand and one, and it was postmarked from Cleveland, Ohio,

660
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.760
just like the March second, nineteen eighty one letter above.

661
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:05.079
Now I almost want to ooh, I almost want to

662
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:09.119
see where this is in relation to Oklahoma, because we

663
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:12.039
know that Jack is visiting back and forth to Oklahoma

664
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:15.519
during this time period. Says it was a threatening communication

665
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:18.599
cut into four pieces and mailed to the Republican Headquarters,

666
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:23.639
five twenty six Superior Avenue, Northeast Cleveland, Ohio on December nineteenth,

667
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.519
two thousand, to US Senator George Bowinovitch and received on

668
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:31.719
December twenty, two thousand. Two stickers apparently came with the

669
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.119
Zodiac Halloween card in nineteen seventy with the messages thinking

670
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:38.000
of you and have a nice day. This greeting card,

671
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:41.239
adorned with an image of flowers, also came with the

672
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:45.920
message thinking of You. Three parts of the handwritten threatt stated, Hey,

673
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.280
you stinking white bitch, we don't want no TV bullshit,

674
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:51.679
and we will cut off your head and impale it

675
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:54.599
on a spear. The envelope bore ZIP code of four

676
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.239
four one two six one nine zero six and a

677
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:01.360
thirty three cent upside down General Omar and Bradley's stamp.

678
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:06.440
And we have those upside down sideway stamps from the Zodiac.

679
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.920
So there are some things that seem to be running

680
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:12.800
clearly in combination. And that's what takes me back to

681
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.119
this group thing when we see this kind of stuff.

682
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:20.079
What's that, Oh, I'm just reading the card, right.

683
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.800
So here's the card up here where it says thinking

684
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:26.440
of You with the flowers, and then this sticker thinking

685
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:29.639
of You came in the Halloween card from the Zodiac,

686
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:33.760
which was not something that I relatively even figured out

687
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:36.159
or found out about, because when you find the Halloween

688
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:40.519
card posted online, you don't see any reference to this thinking.

689
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:41.079
Of You sticker.

690
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:44.960
So these particular and they've got hearts all the way around.

691
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:51.039
It appeared to have actually been Valentine's Day stickers. And

692
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.199
we had that relation back to the couple that was

693
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:58.679
killed in southern California, in which case a box of

694
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:03.960
Valentine's Day candy was found on a wall right next

695
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.079
to where the couple had been killed, and so it

696
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:12.960
was I don't know he was I think he was

697
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:13.840
in the military.

698
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:16.199
They were.

699
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.679
Yeah, so many names in this For me to come

700
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:23.719
back to, the bottom line is is that a box

701
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:28.639
of opened chocolates or Valentine's Day candy was left on

702
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.360
a wall right next to the murder scene, and these

703
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:33.280
type of stickers back in those days would have been

704
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.880
contained in these boxes of chocolates or candies. You always

705
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:38.639
got a cute little gift inside, kind of like the

706
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:45.079
cracker Jack's box. Either way, this particular card says, I'm

707
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:49.519
sending this as four separate faxes. Now this brings me

708
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:54.119
back to the thought process that we just heard in

709
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:57.800
the Salves that Harriet's been talking about, that these communications

710
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:02.719
were facsimiles, understand, And I'm actually not even really putting

711
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:04.679
it together until now when I see it here on

712
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:08.320
this particular communication. But number one, we saw the zodiac

713
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:11.760
separate out the three forty cipher into three different letters.

714
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:13.920
So he cut it in three pieces and shipped it

715
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:16.760
to three different locations. Those newspapers had to come back

716
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:19.920
together put it together to get a complete cipher. And

717
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.559
the crazy part is is that who I don't know

718
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.880
that I recall on any single one of the communications

719
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:29.000
which section was number one. So for these people out

720
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.400
there claiming that they saw the three forty, how is

721
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:34.840
it that they know which section came first, second, or

722
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.840
third in order to comprise the message that they claim

723
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:42.840
it it was. I don't recall seeing a number one,

724
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.039
number two, or number three on any of those communications.

725
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:50.039
Either way, this is the communication in there. I'm sending

726
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.199
this as four separate factss about the only way I

727
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.440
can do this with the fact software on our computer.

728
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.280
This appeared to be a greeting card. Oh so this

729
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.400
is somebody else. Let's see.

730
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.440
This appeared to be a greeting card which the sender

731
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.599
cut into four pieces. The first page I'm sending is

732
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:11.960
the inside left, which had been cut into three pieces.

733
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:16.679
That's a three forty thing. I've assembled them in what

734
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.280
I believe is the right order. The next page will

735
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.800
be the inside of right of the greeting card on

736
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:25.679
which the sender had changed the printed greeting as well

737
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:26.760
as added some.

738
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:28.960
Comments of his or her own.

739
00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.840
I will also send the envelope which has an address

740
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.079
on it, as well as the front side of the

741
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.679
greeting card. So and SO can be contacted at I

742
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:41.320
can be contacted at the same number until ten thirty

743
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:45.760
am and after eight pm. From eleven am to seven pm,

744
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.079
I am at work at and it doesn't say thanks

745
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.320
ever so much for forwarding this information to the proper authorities.

746
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.599
Obviously we are both concerned about as well as the

747
00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:58.760
fact that this person knows our address and made a

748
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.800
threatening reference to the person to whom it was addressed. Okay,

749
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:05.559
so this is a letter from Vuinovitch sending this information

750
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.159
by facsimile, which now we are seeing the fact simile

751
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.920
height of things that still kind of cross connects with

752
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.840
her solves where she's indicating things are being sent by facts.

753
00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:20.400
Attaches a photographic copy of the threatening communication received by

754
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:23.440
Blah Blah blah on December twenty two thousand, in which

755
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:26.960
the unknown writer threatens the life of US Senator George Vowinovitch.

756
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:29.639
This is what cracks me up about the redaction in

757
00:42:29.679 --> 00:42:30.239
these things.

758
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:33.719
So obviously we're both concerned about blank as well as

759
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.400
the fact that this person knows our address and maybe

760
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:39.039
a threatening reference to the person to whom it was addressed.

761
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:43.280
And then below they don't redact Senator Rowinovitch's name when

762
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.639
they say he was the one that was threatened. Doesn't

763
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:47.320
that tell you that it was mailed to his address?

764
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:50.000
Yeah?

765
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:51.599
This is the inside right page.

766
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.360
Due to the way my scanning software in fact software worked,

767
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:56.400
the top line on each page is cut off. The

768
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.760
top line on the inside left page says Hey, you

769
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.719
stinking white bitch. The top line on this page says

770
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:08.440
we don't want no TV bullshit. It says, in essence,

771
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:10.960
we have a two thousand greeting card bearing the message

772
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:14.000
thinking of you, the exact wording previously mailed with the

773
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.360
nineteen seventy Halloween card. The two thousand communication bore the

774
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:21.039
postmark Cleveland, Ohio, the same as the potential Zodiac correspondence

775
00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:23.840
from nineteen eighty one. The two thousand greeting card was

776
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:28.079
postmarked twenty two days before a suspected Zodiac greeting card

777
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:31.280
on January tenth, two thousand and one. The March second,

778
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:34.760
nineteen eighty one, December nineteen, two thousand and January ten,

779
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.000
two thousand and one communications all carried a racial overtone

780
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:41.599
of please stop horse bussing or I will kill three

781
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:44.480
more black boys in Atlanta in March, hey, you stinking

782
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:48.199
white bitch, and those bastard muni drive the majority black

783
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:51.119
and Asians. What happened to the white people drivers? We

784
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:55.239
once had to find the reason Senator George Wuinovich was targeted.

785
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:57.719
We have to look at his timeline on Wikipedia, where

786
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:01.599
it states in the Senate Buenovich post lowering tax rates.

787
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:04.599
He frequently joined Democrats on tax issues, and in two

788
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.360
thousand was the only Republican in Congress to vote against

789
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:14.000
a bill providing for relief from the marriage penalty. In

790
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:18.960
previously suspected Zodiac communications, the author had targeted many notable Democrats,

791
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:22.760
So the fact that Senator Vwinovich frequently joined the Democrats

792
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.480
on tax issues is in keeping with the Zodiac Killer

793
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:29.920
of Republican persuasion, attacking anybody who opposed his views. However,

794
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.440
it must be stressed that this greeting card was unlikely

795
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.920
to have been mailed by the Zodiac Killer. Despite some

796
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:39.840
of the overlapping features we've seen the handwriting on it.

797
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:42.480
There are some things that would definitely indicate that we

798
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:46.480
are likely dealing with the same author. So another person

799
00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:49.039
from this message board said, this is a nice fine Richard.

800
00:44:49.079 --> 00:44:51.920
At this early stage of examination, it has perhaps accepted

801
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:55.519
proof of a Zodiac link might be difficult, but very

802
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.079
persuasive reasons that there may be. The Dan Barry Mint

803
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.840
link of nineteen teen eighty one suggests that the Zodiac

804
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:04.679
had visited that address prior. Given a perception that the

805
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:08.559
Zodiac took a keen interest in collecting miniatures with stamp, collecting,

806
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:12.760
model making and even numistatics as possible hobbies, as well

807
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.360
as astronomy and a following of the space race. Now,

808
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:19.480
of course we did find an astronomy book in Jack's belongings,

809
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:23.320
so that whole theory or thought process about the solstices

810
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:27.480
and the full moons and things like that. Obviously he

811
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.039
did read up on those kind of things. I will

812
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:32.320
look at this new find from you in more detail.

813
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.559
It already is seen by me personally that in the

814
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.760
lead into nineteen seventy eight, a probable re emergence of

815
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:43.000
the zodiac with three letters under the microscope with the

816
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.079
zodiac who was facing a breakdown of some sort that

817
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:50.079
immediately brings to mind the possibility of marriage, separation or divorce.

818
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:54.599
Freaking nailed it. We just talked about Jack going through

819
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.000
his second divorce with his ex wife, while going through

820
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.440
a separation with Nora. I mean, some of these things

821
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:04.920
they couldn't have profiled better. And the breakdown of some

822
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:08.440
sort is Harriet talking about in these solves where he

823
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:13.400
is basically having a complete breakdown without this stamp that

824
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.360
provides the remedy for the drugs that he had been

825
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:18.760
put on in the mk ulture program. I mean, some

826
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:20.360
of these things you just can't make up.

827
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.840
So the earmarking of a senator who might have given

828
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:26.559
the Zodiac cause for negative focus in light of a

829
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:30.800
costly divorced settlement could be a persuading pointer to Zodiac authenticity.

830
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:36.119
Sugary coated sarcasm with thinking of you. A divorce settlement

831
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:38.559
and the breakdown of a marriage then viewed as business

832
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:41.440
arrangement to be fixed, is quite likely to bring out

833
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:44.199
the worst in someone who is likely to blame anyone

834
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:48.960
else but themselves. Yes, nice, fine Richard. A possible connections

835
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.719
to the Diggers, the underground racist. Okay, we already read

836
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.199
that one. That actually brings us to the next letter.

837
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:58.599
We are about three minutes out. I could read this

838
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:00.480
real quick and then we could talk about it shortly,

839
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.039
but then it seems we'll have to pick up and

840
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:05.679
carry on with this letter next week. This is the

841
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:08.960
one that they were speaking about that arrived March eighth

842
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:12.039
of nineteen eighty one. Hello It's me, mailed in Atlanta,

843
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:17.639
Georgia to WXIATV channel eleven NBC. It says, Hello, it's me.

844
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:20.920
Haven't you people figured out who is killing these little people.

845
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.400
Yet I'll give you a hint. I used to be

846
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:26.679
in San Francisco. I used to stop women, but I

847
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:30.039
like to kill children now. And all my victims' bodies

848
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:33.159
I have left certain clues, but I guess it's too

849
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.039
much for you rebels to handle. So I guess I'll

850
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:41.400
have to tell you. I'll try. I'll try killed children

851
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.039
because they are so easy to pick off.

852
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:46.519
By the way, if.

853
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:48.840
You still have letters from the other murders, I am

854
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:53.239
not writing in the same hand, writing split with no

855
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:56.840
hyphen as we've seen the Zodiac do in the past.

856
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.960
That's a reference to the Zodiac communication of about picking

857
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.599
off the kiddings as they exited the school bus.

858
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:10.400
And Dennis had indicated that Jack could actually write with

859
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:13.480
both hands, and when he says, I'm I'm not writing

860
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:17.199
in the same hand, writing breaking those two words. So

861
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:19.960
again we're going back to that play on words that

862
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:23.800
he is writing with the opposite hand. Albeit we're going

863
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:26.159
to hear from the Foya files where they state that

864
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:28.800
the oh, I'm going to leave that one to that

865
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.599
we've only got less than oh, we've got about a

866
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:35.800
minute left here at this point. One of the things

867
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:37.440
I want to note in here is that he's talking

868
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.920
about having left out certain clues. It'd be interesting to

869
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:43.159
note what those clues were. And this is why I've

870
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:46.119
suggested in the past that things like watches that were

871
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:49.280
taken from the Swindles. So the Swindles were the ones

872
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:54.400
that were killed in southern California, San Diego. Yeah, yeah,

873
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:59.000
with the with the Valentine's Day candy. So the Swindles

874
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:02.800
watched they believe was possibly lifted and dropped at the

875
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:06.440
Sherry Joe Bates crime scene because she didn't wear that watch,

876
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:07.400
it had paint on it.

877
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:08.880
And it was broken in a certain hour.

878
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.639
So here's another possibility that we are hearing from the

879
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:16.199
Zodiac himself that he has been in fact leaving clues

880
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.039
at the scenes of these crimes. May coincide with some

881
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:21.159
of the other movies and theories that I've seen that

882
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.519
was set in regards to the Zodiac or copycats of

883
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:27.280
the Zodiac, where they also discussed that he left a

884
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.159
clue at each crime scene that he took from one previous.

885
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:33.000
So this might just wrap up all of that. And

886
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.719
the Zodiac himself said he left clues, So.

887
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:37.519
That's part of Zemo.

888
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:43.679
Absolutely how leading back to Parer crimes right.

889
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.480
And showing the inability for law enforcement to work together

890
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:49.400
to bring these things to fruition, to show that this

891
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:52.039
watch came from the swindles, and of course with them

892
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:54.239
losing all the information as they tend to do on

893
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:58.760
these particular cases, which is just astonishing. Again, if somebody

894
00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:01.599
had pulled evidence on me of committing a crime of

895
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:05.719
this nature, my evidence won't be lost. I'll be in prison.

896
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.280
Oh and we are over time, you guys. I'm sorry

897
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.719
I let it run so far. I hope everybody has

898
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.760
a wonderful new year. In a New Year's eve, I

899
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.000
want to ring in this next year is as best

900
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:21.920
as possible, so I look forward to seeing everybody after

901
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:24.079
New Year's You guys have a great week.

902
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:26.480
Thank you Nolan for being here, Thank you.

903
00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:43.039
For having me. Bye, everybody,