Episode 125: DB Cooper and Zodiac Coincidences? Part 11 – 5-10-24

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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit

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the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. We
are climbing back into the Dbe Cooper case

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and I'm hoping that we will have
a summarization for you guys this morning and

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that we'll be moving on with nineteen
seventy one and seventy two. I'd like

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to welcome to the show. Terry
Batcher, Hello, good morning, Good

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morning, and Nolan del Campellt,
Good morning, everybody. Good one.

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Glad to see we're matching chairs again. Yes, love the chair. Agriott

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will be here with us shortly once
it's been online. Chair. We're going

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to pick up where we left off
last week in Dbie Cooper and that was

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the to the public letter which was
actually written to dear editor and to the

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public. I must ask you,
who in the hell do some of you

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people think you are and what in
the hell do you think you're doing.

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I have succeeded in pulling off one
of the most successful talked about crimes of

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today. Then some guy credits himself
with the masterpiece and thanks everybody for their

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cooperation and hospitality. Well damn it, this is making me look very stupid.

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These prank letters must stop. No
one was endangered. The caper was

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only committed to show the unbelieving world
that a perfect crime was possible. I

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have notified the FBI asking that they
grant me amnesty. The money will be

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returned. No harm done, Sincerely, sw L alias David Bartholomew Copperhead.

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That's interesting. I did kind of
almost want it, yes, she says,

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am I scheduled. Yes, I
can't access my emails due to the

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new phone call in all right,
that should be handled so at any rate,

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I thought that it was interesting that
he has given himself an alias as

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David Bartholomew Copperhead. So if he
was literally the suspect and he wasn't trying

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to conn us with this letter,
he would have put Dan Cooper he's already

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stated in previous letters that dB Cooper
does not exist, but there's no mention

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of Dan Cooper, which is what
he signed the ticket with. Right.

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The ABC is the same as dB
Cooper do it is, yes, And

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that's what Terry had mentioned. We're
still looking at a DBC, which now

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makes me want to look up an
acronym for DBC because as Terry has noticed

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that, we're going to talk about
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But one of the things that we
were talking about over this last week was

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the Doctor Seuss relation. Another book
relation. So there's always media, books,

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movies, something involved with these crimes. And Terry, you had recognized

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that this book was related to the
Ramsey murder, and well, a book

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found at the Ramsey murder, which
is allegedally one book or another makes no

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difference because, as you know,
most of the work of doctor suis I

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can't pronounce his name Ked something or
other last named the actual author. I

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think part of me THEE I believe
you got it, that's it right.

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And then other thing I can think
of is damn few people are named Bartholomew

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anymore. And I thought, you
know, Bartholomew Coveins just came to mind,

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you know, from somewhere from my
childhood. I didn't know what.

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I didn't even know doctor Susan at
this point in time. So I taped

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in. Uh, I mean,
I typed in Bartholomew Cobbins, and I

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came up with the book where is
it here? I've got it? Oh

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you really couldn't you brought that?
Okay? And the the five hundred Hats

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of barthil Follow New Cobbins popped up, and I thought, oh, so

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it's not David Bartholomew Cobbins. It's
just cons Oh, it's just But David's

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valid though, too. And I'll
explain why I'm to be careful not to

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get in trouble with Jewish people.
But uh, David is a very common

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Jewish name. We'll come back to
it. I don't even need to go

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in that direction right now, but
right because I'm trying to make it for

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this stuff, you'll wrap it up. But Bartholomew Commins, anyway, he

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had this. He kept growing a
hat that came on to cut his head

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off, and he kept growing another
hat. And his hat's got fancier and

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fancier, and it's and that was
a book that was a doctor Seuss book.

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But everything Doctor SEUs did was pretty
cryptic and pretty strange. You know

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what I mean. If you ever
tried to read it and someone it's great,

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it's great stuff. It's it's funny. But anyway, in a suitcase

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in the Ramsey House, which is
a and see, if I don't want

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to get had of, let me
look just reread here. When I put

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here, Okay, you got sw
explain that in that house there was a

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suitcase following against one wall that they
speculated was an escape route for the for

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the killer of the little Ramsey girl. And in the suitcase was a doubt

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and a sham. I think that's
how you pronounce a doubation as sham doctor

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Seus's book. And they were saying
that Louci Detective Louise Smith said they thought

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that maybe because of particles and stuff, that he was going to try to

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hauler out, and it's her body
out in the suitcase. Well, a

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ransom note is a murder note.
It's not a ransom note. It's clearly

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a murder note. And there's no
way just isn't he tended to murder her?

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And it's it's repetitively on the document, so anyway, they would never

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say. No one seemed to know
what particular doctor Sewe's book it was.

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I looked at a couple of them
myself. Well, these are pretty spooky

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and they pertained to the base,
but I can't remember the titles right now.

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I set it aside. But I
didn't, you know, make this

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connection back to David Bartholomew Copperhead and
Copperhead. You can people go look that

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up for themselves. That has to
do with that's a civil war item and

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it has to do with a couple
of different things you can look into.

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I haven't done a deep dive research
on that, but that shows us a

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link in that direction. And and
we get to if you ever get to

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the ram education, you're going to
find that the word too is going to

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have to come up. And unfortunately
I don't have to like to repeat that,

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but it's gonna come up, yeah, because it's part of the way.

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It's encrypted, right, all right, So I gotta keep us moving

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forward because he's not far off.
Yeah, this is Harry. You have

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me, You have me smiling,
my god, Terry beeB because you are

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oh my god, when you're dealing
with Ramsey everything, you're also dealing with

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dB Cooper in that time era and
the JFK. It's so it's so spot

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on in the in the bull's eye, You're you're really there. It sounds

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like it if you come in and
you're seeing it from an advantage point,

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like people who are just now tuning
in. But if you dig deeper,

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you're going to find the center of
the bulls eye. Yes, the Ramseyes

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have something to do with that.
I mean, he's spot on, really

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nine. Well, we're gonna to
carry on now with the acronym that Terry

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had done some research on, which
was the SWL. And we already talked

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about how the cryptic sign off on
the John Benny Ramsey letter was SBTC.

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So this use of acronyms and period
dots and things we've discussed heavily. So

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what did you find in regards to
the SWL tear terry That was the easy

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thing to research. I just want
to look up acronyms for SWL and the

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top ones on the list or several
of them. Safe working load as in

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a parachute chord or limits limited lines. Safe working load is one of them

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safe water level as in the level
of a ship, water level of a

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ship. The next one is students
will learn, which I thought was kind

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of herotic, and then the next
one was shortwave listener, which we know

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that Jack was involved in ham radio
operation, et cetera, heavily into that

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sort of thing. And then shortway
part of me software license wasn't another one,

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and then the one that ran these
for me was screaming with laughter,

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which is absolutely Zodiac Jack one on
one, so take your pick, but

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was screaming with laughter on this,
you know, I'm surprised to find that

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you know that way listener short Ways. I think a lot of these actually

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would hit home because if we're talking
about Dbe Cooper, there was the encyclopedia

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page out of the Playboy magazine that
was one of the port I mean,

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everything kind of fits in or can
kind of spin off. And we know

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that the Zodiac was notorious for having
two to three different meanings for any one

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given thing he said, and that
was to keep you spinning in circles,

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so you couldn't really put your finger
on what was going on with him.

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But now as we go and operate
in a circle and we go forward and

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backwards to look at these crimes,
we're seeing that they are absolutely Oh and

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here's the bonus thing on the when
you go to look up the subject of

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doctor Seuss himself, go back to
that page you just had, and when

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you just basic subjective work of doctor
Seuss is potentially very large and has details

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we can add as things as we
later realize and review more about the author

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and his father or his rather wild
workmanship. Right. Good, So on

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the next page you went to for
just a moment there, which I had,

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great that one. I just made
a simple thing here that I threw

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together in cutt and paste from a
Wikipedia that Geisel. That's his name,

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doctor SEUs. What does it say? He's his place he worked or whatever.

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He had some magazine he was involved
was called the dart Mouth Jackal Lantern

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lanterns. You got Zodiac jack and
jackal lanterns on the Ramsey hurder note as

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well. And then you've got Grim. You've got there's the word grim,

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not spelt like the Grim sisters that
were murdered, and I fifty seven that's

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grimes. I did see that,
and I pronounced different, but no,

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no, well it's the whole spelling
is different. It's g R, I

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M E N C. Right.
I know that I'm just saying you got

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that. But that's a minor because
but the fact that he that he's got

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a Dartmouth jack O'Lantern Humor Magazine linked
to this as well, uh is a

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little is a little too much of
a coincidence when it comes to the the

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Siamese jack o' lanterns that are on
the Ramsey note, and then all of

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the jack clues going from Zodiac went
back and forward, including the jack o'

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lanterns on the Halloween cards. So
yes, exactly, exactly. Also a

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pumpkinhead jack, yeah, he yes, and the one that I hated.

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I hated Doctor Seuss when I was
a kid. Something was wrong with that.

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Even as a kid, I sensed
it. I didn't even like watching

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the Christmas programs. Later I thought, you know, I thought, he's

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all right, let's let's let's movie. Let's you guys trying to keep everyone

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on tracks so we can get through
these twenty slides today. The next slide

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you had brought up, I think
pretty much indicates the same stuff. Derwin

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Grant's bartholomewle A reprieve. Yeah,
that's part of the story of the of

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the five hundred hats story. He's
giving a summary of the story, what

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it's all about. I just cut
and paste that. I had to take

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the whole page when I did at
cut and paint or uh the screenshot on

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that. I suppose I could have
blanked that out just so I wouldn't confuse

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you. But I thought since that
wasn't part of the page, I just

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put a green line under it for
something to consider. But the main thing

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is that Jack jack oleantered, you
know, and then oh that this is

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talking about uh sus himself. There
the line I put underlined in oranges that

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he is rare and loop Well.
I like this statement they put up here.

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The book received positive reviews from critics. The New York Times reviewer called

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the book a lovely bit of palm
foolry which keeps up the suspense and surprise

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until the end. That is absolutely
one hundred percent what we've been dealing with

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all right now, you now you
did speak about the Grimes already rare and

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loopy. We did have a couple
more communications that I haven't really identified.

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I'm not sure what goes with the
sky Marshall's Portland organ You did notate on

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that, Terry that the note.
All of the details on this envelope from

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D. B. Cooper FBI FOY
files the two circled or smoking gun details

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that show a direct linkage to the
nineteen ninety six Ramsey murder. The letter

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I in airport has the subtle hint
of a Christian cross, the letter O

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has the symbol of the snake.
And lots of special little details on this

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document. So you're looking again just
the way the forms of the letters are

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made, correct, That's that's exactly. That's the thing with the Ramsey murder

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note. It's it's got a lot
of details to the point where you know,

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it's like Bob Shield said, how
long do you think it took him

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to make this thing as well?
Right? Details? Everything was deliberate with

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that guy. Everything was deliberate,
right, all right? So Harriet,

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that brings us to the salve.
You had a solve for the sky Marshals,

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Yes I did. Now I'm looking
for it. But can you can

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you read? Because I know I
had it for this Attentions Attentions Bureau agnew

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Arthur Lee Allen phone says at Riverside
City College to supply one down a last

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doctor assistant suit, a good sumart
Meryton Hospital time card number seven to one,

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seven to one, seven one,
six, eighty four eight four.

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I'm not sure that last one is. It's the numbers. And he would

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keep going east State Line Nevada Y
Highway fifty in route two oh seven zero

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location or ground zero to shoot former
president brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy in the

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temple. Paul Stein hid a good
to go nine millimeter gun nine eight ninety

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eight rounds at the operating room department
one twenty six nine am. Yeah,

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that was. That was just by
anagramming everything that I could find there and

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identifying everything on that communication, and
I found it and it was actually pretty

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easy. I said, my god, he put the time everything in there.

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So well, it's interesting that Mike, like I said, my research

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for Spiro Agnew during this timeframe is
that he is forced into resigning. He

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takes out a two hundred thousand dollars
loan from Frank Sinatra, which is exactly

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how much was requested from this hijacking
or skyjacking. So to find that you're

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coming up with his name during a
pertinent time in which he's absolutely in the

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news. Being taken down is nothing
short of amazing, and I think not

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a coincidence as well. No,
that's why when I had the double check,

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and this is where Terry b Will
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bunch of acronyms in that you know, GTG was being left. I said,

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oh, it means in military,
good to go. And so there

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is talk about Arthur Lee Allen being
a pilot and having flown down to Riverside,

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which is why they've tried to pin
the Sherry Joe Bates murder on him.

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Do you think that Arthur Lee Allen
had anything to do with that or

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is that just a happenstance that that
murder is occurring at the time where he's

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making contact because this is two years
earlier. I mean, if he's in

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Riverside City in sixty six in preparation, I mean obviously we know these events

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and operations take time to plan.
They're not something somebody decided to do overnight.

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So it could collectively mean that,
yes, he was there to do

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this, and then they tried to
pin the Sherry Joe Bates murder on him

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as well. Yeah, I think
he was like, it's saying indirectly involved

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that that's supposed to be his in
law or his sister in law that was

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working in uh Arthur Lee Allen's in
law I think was yeah, I was

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working having to do with Riverside City
College, and so there was reasons why

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they were going after these people.
And in this code after it was done

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to me was saying that he's he's
okay. I've highly found that anyways that

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he's he's reminding Spiro Agnew what the
what these operations are about, and that

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you know that this is what they're
doing, certain things that are involving dB

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cooper operation. I know that I
I know that I closely relate mob activity

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to politicians. I mean, I
think that that is kind of a general

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consensus. We know about the Rockefellers
and their prominent existence in our society,

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even though they started from mob money. So do you think that Spiro Agnew

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either had a direct connection or was
part of a family that was involved with

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the mob. Well, I think
his family was involved with the mob,

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but in he got the good monsters
and the bad mobsters. So doesn't mean

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that he was a bad guy.
He just had he knew he had information,

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and so he's indirectly involved. And
of course he, like you said,

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he quits. He he's forced to
resign. He was the governor of

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Maryland prior to being vice president,
and during that time he was taking bribes,

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and so that's yeah, became vice
president, and there are some people

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who think he was still taking bribes
even when he was vice president. So

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absolutely, you don't stop. Yeah, le does a changing spots. You

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got free money coming in. You're
not gonna quit all of a sudden,

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No peace, Let me stop taking
money in bribes? Okay? Yeah,

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have you ever took one? You
always took one? Go ahead, Harry.

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Oh, I'm saying which would be
better reason to quit for to be

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blamed for taking bribes or be blamed
for killing, uh, murdering donal Lass

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and having something to do with Oh
my god, which it's like, which

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is which are the two evils that? So he I think, Yeah,

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they said, yeah, let's just
quit over the bribes, but not over

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this other stuff where Nixon is condoning
or execute orders, you know, murdering,

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and some people are saying that their
murders. Even Jack later and is

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saying that he felt that they murdered
Dona laughs. I mean, so it's

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like, which is the letter two
evils? So Spiro Agnew was the vice

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president to Nixon. Yes, oh
yeah, yeah, all right, yeah.

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He had the coolest name as a
kid. It was. So that

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brings us to the next envelope.
I'm not sure what letter this pertains to.

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Again, these are just bits and
pieces that I collected a long time

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ago. A lot of this stuff
has been taken down from the Internet.

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I can occasionally find it here or
there. But this one was to the

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Portland newspaper. Again, he's reaching
out to the editor, which happens to

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be Bill Hilliard, and Harriet has
given us lots of dirt information on Bill

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Hilliard. This went to the Portland
newspaper head Newspaper Office, Portland Oregonian three,

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twenty thirteen, twenty Southwest Broadway,
Portland, Oregon. And then of

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course this last and final letter that
I actually have from him was kind of

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interesting because again I'm going to need
to go back and put it in its

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rightful timeframe. But Dbe Cooper continued, as far as I can tell,

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to reach out to these individuals all
the way into March of nineteen seventy two.

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So on March twenty eighth and nineteen
seventy two, a letter was sent

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in that says the Portland Oregonian newspaper
Portland organ and maybe this is what goes

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actually to this envelope, so maybe
I do have it right on December fourteenth.

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This no, this says March twenty
eight, so these would not be

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connected. December fourteenth and nineteen seventy
one is the envelope, and then the

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letter is actually typed up stating March
twenty eighth of nineteen seventy two says gentlemen.

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Now let's keep in mind one of
the other letters that was written giving

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a description of who they might be
looking for, was also beginning gentlemen,

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So we're seeing consistency here. It
says, this letter is to let you

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know I am not dead, and
this is a zodiac one oh one statement.

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I'm not dead, I'm not in
the hospital, and I'm not in

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jail, but really alive and just
back from the Bahamas. Your silly troopers

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up there can stop looking for me. That is just how dumb this government

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is. I like your articles about
me, but you can stop them now.

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dB Cooper is not real. I
had to do something with the experience

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Uncle taught me. So here,
I am a very rich man. Uncle

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gave too much of it to we're
world idiots and no work for me.

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So this goes back to you solving
in the zodiac stuff, literally him not

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getting paid for the jobs or getting
the jobs or swearing him solved where he

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said that the that he needed much
work for Christmas. So he was literally

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asking for more work but not getting
it and not getting paid for the work

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he had done. He says,
I had to do something with the experience

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Uncle taught me. So here,
I am a very rich man. Uncle

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gave too much of it to world
idiots and no work for me. I

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had to do it to relieve myself
of frustration. I want out of the

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system and saw a way through good
old unk. Now you know, I

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am going around the world and they
will never find me because it's Uncle's turn

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to weep and pay one of its
own some cash for a change. And

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please tell the Lackey cops. dB
Cooper is not my real name, sincerely

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a rich man. When I think
we had a richard Man solve and I

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must have had it in the wrong
place. I'm trying to see that's plan

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for retirement. I have it?
Do you have it right there? Or

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you could read it? Yeah,
because I think we start to cover it.

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But did place Bill Hilliard? Yes, I found it to be standard

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graphic code. And I'll explain very
quickly. A very I see an A

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instead of an E, and very
uncle is a misspelt or I'm not missed

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out, but it's capitalized in a
weird place. So and then the scratched

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out two uh anyways uh and then
a rich man which was weird the signature

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to sign off with. And anyways, I'll read it. It says Bill

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Hilliard. This was just an anagram
of the standard graphic code. Bill Hilliard,

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cooperate topple E and that's e Emeritus. Anyways, topple e you kill

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Noman black Dahlia camera lens Montrey Hodell
Pictures, and then cooperate to topple e

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Haffa. Yeah, that's yeah,
that's the emeritus. He was known as

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the Emeritus Happa, so he'll tell
us his other name. So anyways,

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it just says Bill Hilliard cooperate to
topple emeritus Hapa, you kill women named

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black Dahlia camera man Ray Door,
doctor George Odell, l a lots pictures,

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Gim Connor, woman donn a less
killed East State Line, Nevada.

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He's reminding him what the past was, and they're actually blackmailing him to cooperate

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to actually do something really good to
help help bring down HAPA. Really again,

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we have we have a typewritten letter
that's going to the Portland Oregonian,

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who Bill Hilliard is in fact the
editor of, and then the message works

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out to actually be pointed directly to
Bill Hilliard. Again, I don't think

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this is a coincidence. No,
no, and I think he does a

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code system. But you know,
anyways, they had to have this,

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has this has to be something within
those that are used to getting teletype information,

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ham radio information like this is definitely
cipher and code one oh one,

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which is definitely Jack and Zodiac.
Go ahead, and Terry, I'm just

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gonna say that Harriet's probably aware that
there are some stemographic type of figurines on

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the Ramsey murder as well. Oh, definitely not there. Let's let yeah,

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let's let's not go there right now. I'm trying to see in this,

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all right, So we brought up
another one which you had talked about

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the tie several times. This is
the clip on tie from dB Cooper's case.

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Correct, And so it had this
particular tie clip on it which kind

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of reminded you of a spyglass.
Right. Yeah, looks like one,

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doesn't it, Right? And and
liked was he hinting to magnify the tie,

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which is exactly what they did,
and that's where they found the specialized

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particles? Correct, over two of
them? Yes, telate and that you

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said was used in night vision,
right, and this guy that's a homemade

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set of night vision goggles. You
can make yourself. Wow, how would

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you make that? Well, you
have to go and look up this guy's

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article. I got that. That's
a YouTube thing. And uh, if

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you can find anything you want on
the University of YouTube. I mean,

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maybe not all of what's accurate or
good, but but essentially you block out

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all the forms of light and the
bothnium tanelate I believe that's correct pronunciation of

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the particles. They're there. They're
triggered by infrared, so you can so

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when you see those infrared images that
the cops use sometimes to find a suspect

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whatever, and they kind of you
know, yeah, heat signature. That's

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what they're picking up. They're picking
up the infrared part of the spectrum,

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the visual not visual part of the
spectrum, but it converts it into a

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visual spectrum of the heat. And
interestingly enough, they may not even have

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projected the glasses that dB Cooper was
wearing correctly to begin with, just like

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they didn't correctly identify the composite.
So you're thinking that there's a possibility that

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he was absolutely wearing these types of
glasses in preparation or in order to jump

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from the plane and be able to
spot or see where he needed the land.

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Yeah, otherwise you know how he
could he would be approximating he warned

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to land. There's also a hint
with that magic amulet thing on one of

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the other documents that we talked about
earlier, which is that or is it

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both? Does he have both type
of devices? Does he have? Well,

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let me and let me set the
foundation for that. The magic ambulet

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was actually two of the letters from
the zodiac that we found were in connection

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and the setup or the process of
letting us know that he was about to

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do this skyjacking, at least in
my mind, the three oh five ahead

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Nolan Oh no, I had a
question about prior slide, but we're passing

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it. Oh no, go ahead, what is it? Okay? On

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the dB Cooper letter to the Oregonian, I have to take this. So

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there was a Degen reference. Yes, yes, I did fail to mention

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that. So in Dagnan's letters in
which is a lipstick killer he said,

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he said in one of his letters, too bad. He didn't get all

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O l E Dagnan instead of his
old Diagnan, which he was trying to

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hint to the fact that he was
going after the op A UH representative,

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which was Dagnan's father, and he
used the word all O l E.

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Now in this letter, Nolan is
correct. Correct, that I did say

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good old unk. So we have
now again a very specific, very unusual

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use of the word O L e. Is all in both of these particular

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communications. All right, So that
brings to the next one that you had

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on here, and this is where
we did do a little bit of the

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talking about this, uh the Siamese
jack lanterns correct. Correct. There's I

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think, as I'm a document,
I may where I actually separated and I

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cut it on the paste on apart
from each other. But you can you

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can tell once you know that there
are jackal lanterns. There absolutely a pair

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of jackal lanterns. You know,
it's easy. Yeah, look at that.

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He drew a couple of you know, everybody you think that's a crossout

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letter, but look at it.
It's a pair of jacko landers. Yes,

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this is. And then you got
on the other the next page,

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I believe it is. I've matched
track. But there's a jack there's a

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guy lifting up a little race car
and putting on a jack stand, you

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know, so right, Yeah,
he's he's saying this is my stuff,

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and he was marking it up to
say it's his documents, no doubt.

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You also had some more information in
regards to the actual jump, information from

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the pilot, which is closer to
the truth you said. In his interview

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with the FBI, copilot, Bill
Radichek said the sudden upward pitch occurred while

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the flight was near the suburbs of
north of Portland. Exactly. Yeah,

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he was trying to set the story
straight too, right that the copilot's trying

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to say, no, this is
where he jumped, because we could tell

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when he jumped off the plane too, and that's where that feyaphile document.

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We'll find that it'll turn up where
the FBI found out that the Portland radar

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and this essentially triangulated to the same
place, which is west of the center

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Washington, Washington and nowhere near the
northern part wooded part. And it's an

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area where could join cloud fields where
you can get right on, I fire,

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I go right back to California or
Partland wherever you want to go right

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and you can go where you want, all right, So you also had

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two each. Sections of nonsense in
Wikipedia said, due to the number of

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variables and parameters, precisely defining the
area to search was difficult. The jets'

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air speed estimates varied, the environmental
conditions along the flight path varied with the

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aircraft's location in altitude, and only
Cooper knew how long he remained in the

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free free tail before pulling his ripcord. The Air Force F one ZHO six

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pilots neither saw anyone jumping from the
airliner, nor did their radar detect a

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depth keyed parachute of deployed sorry deployed
parachute. Moreover, a black clad individual

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jumping into the moonless night would be
difficult to see, especially given the limited

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visibility, cloud cover and lack of
ground lighting. The T thirty three pilots

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did not make visual contact with the
seven twenty seven. So if they never

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00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:01.039
made visual contact with the twenty seven, how are they supposed to see somebody

403
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:05.880
jumping from it? Good point?
Thanks all, thank you? Okay.

404
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:09.720
Exactly on December sixth, nineteen seventy
one, FBI Director j Edgar Hoover,

405
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:16.319
And we know that Zodiac has it
out for Hoover. Hoover, Mary Hoover,

406
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:22.960
Mary go the stockings on twelfting Hoover
and during the Black Dalli murderers.

407
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:29.119
Yeah for Mary Hoover, Mary,
Yeah, because because he was prostresser,

408
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:36.359
so happy to dress that way.
Right. FBI Director Hoover approved the use

409
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:39.920
of an Air Force SR seventy one
blackbird to retrace and photograph Flight three oh

410
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:45.079
five's path uh an attempt to locate
the items Cooper carried during his jump.

411
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:50.079
The SR seventy one made five flights
to retrace Flight three oh five's route.

412
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:54.519
Due to poor visibility and photography attempts
were unsuccessful. Now this brings up to

413
00:32:54.599 --> 00:33:00.799
me the notion that he asked for
four shoots, right, yeah, how

414
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:05.559
many did he leave out of the
plane with to our knowledge just too and

415
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:09.400
so they never found this second shoot. But he robbed one of the shoots

416
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:15.240
of the strings, cut some some
of the lines to tie his his bottle

417
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:19.920
up to himself. So but I'm
saying how many did they? So they're

418
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.160
suspecting that he jumped with two I
believe. So it's been a long time

419
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:27.119
since I read up on this,
and that the guy to go to would

420
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.599
be uh, Bruce a smith because
he knows those things in detail. But

421
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:34.200
yeah, he got some of it, and he got I believe it was

422
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:39.559
four of them, and he took
some of the behind but he left I

423
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.440
believe so or else he tossed him
on. I don't remember how that part

424
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.920
of the story went. Did they
ever ever find any shoots at all?

425
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.319
I think they did find a shoot, but but it was unclear as the

426
00:33:53.319 --> 00:34:00.720
whether belonged to Cooper. That's been
a you know, up on this stuff

427
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.359
nine years ago. You'd had to
test me, you know, if you

428
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:07.720
don't, it's a losing world.
I mean, it is a use of

429
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:13.639
the losing world, all right.
Some more more misleading nonsense per Terry b.

430
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.039
In nineteen eighty six, FBI agent
Ralph Himmelsback wrote, I have to

431
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:21.400
confess. If I were going to
look for Cooper, I would head for

432
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.800
the Washa goal. The Washagle Valley
and its surroundings have been searched repeatedly in

433
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:30.679
subsequent years. To date, no
discoveries traceable to the hijacking have been reported.

434
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:36.719
Some investigators have speculated that the nineteen
eighty eruption of Mount Saint Helens could

435
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:44.239
have obliterated any remaining physical clues.
So where's Washagull that's more going kind of

436
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:45.920
north and south, and you'd have
to get a map out and look and

437
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:52.519
it's it's anywhere near the flight plat
plan or path. Well, they're trying

438
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.039
to get an X. It seems
to me they were trying to get an

439
00:34:55.039 --> 00:35:00.480
explanation as to why this other money
was found at a tan of bar was

440
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:07.159
chewed up as though it had been
under the water and dredged up by a

441
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:09.840
dredging equipment, because they have to
dredge that part of the river all the

442
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:15.440
time because there's ships and such that
go through the area, and that some

443
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:19.880
of the pieces got chewed up.
So he's speculating that, oh, he

444
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.039
jumped over here by wash Shugo because
the stuff came up upstream. In other

445
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:28.280
words, there's no explanation as to
why it ended up on tan of Bar.

446
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.360
There's you know, there's speculation,
but there's nobody. Well, it

447
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:37.079
sounds to me that was a purposeful
plant, especially if you had probably Bruce

448
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.800
Smith's number one suspect at a party
saying how those people over there are going

449
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:45.679
to find money on the banks of
Tina Bar and little behold proof that's what

450
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.840
happens. Good, Yeah, Well, investigations suspended. The FBI has had

451
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.880
no valid excuse to drop this case. On July eight, twenty sixteen,

452
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:59.639
the FBI announced active investigation of the
of the Cooper case was suspended, citing

453
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:04.239
the knee to focus investigative resources and
manpower on issues of higher and more urgent

454
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:14.159
priority. Local field offices would continue
to cases, just like local field offices

455
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:19.320
would would continue to accept any legitimate
physical evidence related specifically to the parachutes or

456
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.880
to the So they didn't find the
parachutes. That right there says they're looking

457
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:28.960
for any evidence in regards to the
parachutes or to the ransom money, but

458
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:34.039
may emerge in the future. The
sixty six volume case file compiled over the

459
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.559
forty five year course of the investigation, would be preserved for historical purposes at

460
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:43.480
FBI headquarters in Washington, DC and
on the FBI website. All of the

461
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:54.599
evidence is open to the public.
Yeah, sure, Wikipedia, you know

462
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.960
better than this. Shame on you. The crime remains the only unsolved case

463
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:04.719
of air piracy and commercial aviation history, as is the Zodiac. I mean,

464
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.199
come on, and several of these
others like black Dogs. Doesn't that

465
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.960
tell you they all revolve around the
same entity. I mean, they're all

466
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:23.559
unsolved and literally for a reason.
Unbelievable but true. You know, the

467
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:28.559
FBI kind of acts like they don't
have to report to all of us,

468
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:35.000
They only have to answer to congressance
as and other people. I can tell

469
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:37.159
you if he made it out with
these parachutes, those parachutes are burnt based

470
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.840
on the lipstick Killers' messages that were
occurring at that time. It has burned

471
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.320
this for her safety. Everything is
burn your evidence, burn, burn burn

472
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:49.360
burn burn. Bill Hyron's letter.
While he was in jail awaiting, you

473
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:53.320
know, being convicted for the crimes
he didn't commit, he was sent a

474
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:59.079
letter and he was told to burn
his evidence, So those parachutes are gone.

475
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:06.719
While they yeah, they're early issues
stuff, so there's you know,

476
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.920
there's a lot of that sort of
There were thousands of parachutes used in World

477
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:14.320
War Two. I think the difference
is whether there were silk or nylon,

478
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.840
you know. But I'm guessing that
they would have had these bad boys tagged

479
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:21.320
so that they would know when they
came about and if there is any truth

480
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.719
to it being buried or stored somewhere. As Harriet had said, we did

481
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:29.239
have a typewritten letter from the Zodiac
who claimed that he had information bombs in

482
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:34.159
closets all over California. So there's
a good chance that those are sitting somewhere.

483
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:37.400
And in some cases, I think
as many times as a storage shed

484
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.119
has been used by these individuals and
as many times as they've lost their storage

485
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:45.119
sheds, that there's a good chance
that there's an unsuspecting person out there who

486
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.920
has purchased one of these sheds and
just don't have an idea of what they're

487
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:53.239
sitting on, which is something that
happened to Harriet. Yeah, that guy

488
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.880
got so scared and he's I'll sell
it to you for next to nothing.

489
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:01.440
Get the ship away from me.
Anyways, I was happy, all right,

490
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:05.119
So I'm going to try and I'm
going to try to scream through this.

491
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:10.719
We've got about ten minutes left.
Let's go to what you just said.

492
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:16.639
I think that I think there's cordin's
available to that may indicate where to

493
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:21.719
look for some of these things that
are well. We can always do that,

494
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.119
Harriet and I are always down for
a good road trip, all right.

495
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:28.239
So this is a partial report about
the clip on type particles. It

496
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:34.920
ignores the infrared detection particles. So
the material with the most significance explained KA

497
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:43.159
was then unallowed titanium. In the
nineteen seventies, the use of pure titanium

498
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:47.320
was rare and would only be used
in aircraft fabrication facilities or at chemical companies,

499
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:58.320
combining titanium and aluminum to store extremely
corrosive substances and unalloyed. Alloyed is

500
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:05.280
a mixture of two different types of
materials to form one type of metal that's

501
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:08.679
pure on alloy. It means there's
no other inclusions or or mixtures in that

502
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:14.679
titanium. It's pure. And so
tectronics, which I think wasn't that something

503
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:20.239
we found in the Playboy cutouts,
Tectronics or is well, well, here's

504
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:27.559
the thing that Tectronics Incorporated makes,
the silloscopes. I own one, and

505
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:31.960
if you have the manual likes and
I put it on your your web and

506
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:37.840
your message board. On your message
board, I put a picture of the

507
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:44.679
little midget racer that's in the horizontal
sleep section of a Tectronic acilloscope thing.

508
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.559
And that's where I got the idea
that instead of calling it a boat tailed

509
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:52.960
speedster on the second page of the
Ramsey Murderer, note, I'm now calling

510
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:57.800
it a midget racer. And yeah, okay, okay, I need I

511
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:04.000
need say from Racier right what I
need. I still have several slight article

512
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:08.960
shain would have been come from Teledion
or Tectronics. The particles, the cassod

513
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:15.800
rate well going Supersonic transport development project
and the portly I mean, if it's

514
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:19.039
happy to do with air flight,
and we know that DBI Cooper has been

515
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:22.719
you know, been around planes,
been training on planes to make this jump,

516
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:27.320
and you know, doing all this
stuff, then he's had a near

517
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:31.400
connection to that type of stuff.
I thought the hair samples was really interesting.

518
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:36.119
FBI agents found two hair samples in
Cooper's seat, a single strand of

519
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.559
limb hair on the seat and a
single strand of brown Caucasian. Brown Caucasian,

520
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:44.559
Now everybody. They tried to make
it out like he was Hispanic or

521
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:51.119
of some darker descent, but they
found brown Caucasian head hair on the headrest.

522
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.920
The limb hair was destroyed after the
FBI crime laboratory determined the sample lacked

523
00:41:55.039 --> 00:42:00.559
enough unique microscopic characteristics to be useful. What the hell? Why would you

524
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:06.000
destroy anything when the advances in technology
of DNA are still ongoing. However,

525
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:10.320
the FBI was laboratory determined determine the
head hair was suitable for future comparison and

526
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:15.199
preserve the hair on a microscope scopic
slide. During their attempts to build Cooper's

527
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:19.840
DNA profile in two thousand and two, the FBI discovered the hair sample had

528
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:24.760
been lost. Go figure, yeah, Bars, the skyjacker would have needed

529
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:30.440
precise ground targets, a pattern of
heat lanterns and infrared goggles would have done

530
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:35.159
the trick. So cigarette butts.
In the armrest ashray of seat eighteen E,

531
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.519
FBI agents found eight Raleigh filter tipped
cigarette butts. These were sent to

532
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:44.840
the FBI Crime Crime Laboratory to search
for fingerprints, but investigators were unable to

533
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.840
find fingerprints and return the butts to
the Las Vegas Field office. In nineteen

534
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:52.360
ninety eight, the FBI sought to
extract DNA from the cigarettes, but discovered

535
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:57.480
the butts had been destroyed while in
custody of the Las Vegas Field office.

536
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:06.360
Let's just go woo yeah yeah,
credit. Uh trunk fired called me,

537
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:08.880
and he should have fired more people
and just called me, but to his

538
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:14.280
credit. All right, So on
the sketches. According to witnesses, the

539
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:19.199
composite A sketch jokingly known as bing
Crosby, was not an accurate likeness of

540
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:25.159
Cooper of Cooper the The composite A
sketch, said witnesses, showed a young

541
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:30.280
man with a narrow face and did
not resemble Cooper or cap or capture his

542
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:35.840
disinterested let's get this over with look. Flight attendant Florida Shafter repeatedly told the

543
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.119
FBI the composite A sketch was a
very poor likeness of Cooper. That confirms

544
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:45.079
what Cooper told us himself. Then
this is the This title should state.

545
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:50.760
A large list of highly specialized information
was used. In the Cooper kper knowledge

546
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.599
and planning. Is what you're saying
is lacking in a lot of information,

547
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:58.440
correct, Terry, Yes, exactly. Now the next slide you stated,

548
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:02.239
the FBI speculated Cooper knew the Central
Intelligence Agency was using seven twenty sevens to

549
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:07.000
drop agents and supplies into enemy territory
during the Vietnam War. So this would

550
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:13.199
be something that Jack was highly astooped
to. Right now, that brought us.

551
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.320
We talked a little bit about this, so we don't have to cover

552
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.599
it much. But death of Earl
J. Cossey. Now, on April

553
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:21.440
twenty third, twenty thirteen, Earl
J. Cossi, who packed the four

554
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:24.480
parachutes that were given to Cooper,
was found dead in his home in Woodinville,

555
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:29.760
Washington, a suburb of Seattle.
His death was ruled a homicide.

556
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.960
Do the blunt force trauma on the
road now on the head. Now,

557
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:37.000
the interesting part about this is that
this and I would like to go back

558
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:38.639
and see, well, this is
much later, I mean, in twenty

559
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:42.559
thirteen. Why would they have waited
so long to kill him? If he

560
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:46.280
was going to maybe he started talking, he wasn't they asked him not to.

561
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:51.199
I don't know, Yep, right, Yeah, he was off,

562
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.039
wasn't He wasn't right where a lot
of people I think he was back in

563
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:58.440
a cul de sac. You didn't
have to ask Ruth, but it seems

564
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:00.320
to me he was not right on
the path or a place would normally.

565
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:05.679
It just was no reason for It's
not a place murder is what the point

566
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:07.159
is? All right, Well,
this brings us to our summary. I'm

567
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.159
excited to be here. I'm gonna
rattle these things off. If there's anything

568
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:14.159
you guys think of in the middle
of the summary that I haven't expressed,

569
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.119
please shout it out. But one
of the biggest factors was this upside down

570
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:21.679
woman in water who appears like she
is just not even alive. That is

571
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.239
a waterway reference. That is a
female that is floating upside down, And

572
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:29.480
that is definitely some Zodiac one oh
one stuff that was going on, I

573
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:35.920
believe previous to this actual skyjacking.
My dB Cooper's summary summarization communication variables for

574
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:40.480
dB Cooper and all other crimes.
Several communications mailed from California Medesto and Sacramento,

575
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:45.920
which are hotspots for Zodiac just before
the skyjacking and jack. Use of

576
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:50.159
historical trolley car stamp from San Francisco, Zodiac Killer, Navy and a man

577
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:54.440
with a briefcase sends communications and multiples. That's the Zodiac. Refers to previous

578
00:45:54.480 --> 00:46:00.679
communications in new communications again Zodiac jt
inclusions nuances. We find them in all

579
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:06.079
communications. He's a braggert that's the
Zodiac killer, and even Jack to some

580
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.119
degree. He's taunting the police,
FBI and newspapers, telling them when they've

581
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:13.920
got it wrong. That's Zodiac one
on one. The use of sers and

582
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:19.159
fool and wearing the disguise, no
fingerprints behind, left behind. These are

583
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.679
all Zodiac offers to turn himself in. That's Lipstick killer, Georgette Bauerdorf,

584
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:28.440
Blacks Dahlia Zodiac killer, and the
Oakland County child killer. Typed cutouts,

585
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:32.400
block writing and handwritten communications equals Black
Dallia, Scherry, Joe Bates Zodiac killer

586
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:37.239
and Dbe Cooper has a lot to
say or share. That's all the crimes

587
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:42.440
were involved in. Revolution is a
word that he uses which is attributed to

588
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:47.320
things like retribution and Georgette Bauerdorf and
justified with Elizabeth short Man and beasts Zodiac

589
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.039
killer, wig ad a disguise Zodiac
Killer hourglass. It's a time reference,

590
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:55.280
folks. We've been seeing this blackdall
Ya swindle, Scherry, Joe Bates,

591
00:46:55.360 --> 00:47:00.639
Zodiac Killer and more. Joan Bias, military training, Jack the Tie ad

592
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:07.039
for the clip on tie which held
lots of important evidence and encyclopedia ad not

593
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:10.320
ashamed of having brains. The tire
ad with the masked man in a Western

594
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:15.880
state, Jack in Texas, texarcan
of phantom murder girl upside down in the

595
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:20.960
water. Many of the crimes associated
to water system that beat the system stereo

596
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.159
and speakers, the PA system Jack's
and the Zodiac Killer hood where it was

597
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:30.800
found in a PA system. The
Magnavox ad doing radio TV recording. Every

598
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.519
letter has a meaning related to ads, du wars, dB Cooper drank Bourbon

599
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.079
on the plane, Medical Lighter ad
page to the left as an article on

600
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:44.000
career killers, Ben Masslink Everything you
wanted to know about television. Jack had

601
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:49.920
a television course shortly before this.
Lazy Pipe, tobacco equaling cigarettes and the

602
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Playboy Advisor. Now bringing up the
nuances for Jack Terrence himself. He shows

603
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a significant weight loss in comparison to
nineteen sixty nine. In the Lake Very

604
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sa murders. In his nineteen seventy
pictures, Jack shows that his hair was

605
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dyed dark. At some point,
Jack was taking flying lessons with a friend.

606
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Previous to these events, Jack suffered
an injury coincidentally around this time.

607
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Jack was a member of Ours Mats
for the Air Force parachuting basically at twenty

608
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six years of age. Jack was
an orienteer and could find his way around

609
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anywhere with something as simple as a
radio or a compass. Jack could call

610
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out lakes and locations from thirty five
thousand feet in the sky while looking out

611
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an airplane window, just as Cooper
did. Jack was a smoker. Jad

612
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had proximity to specialized metals found on
the clip on tie, and Jack's favorite

613
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drink was bourbon. So is there
anything you guys quickly want to add to

614
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that? I have probably less than
a minute right now. I like bourbon.

615
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.559
Thank you for sharing, I kidd. Is there anything else that you

616
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thought of that I missed? Hariet? Just the use of acronyms, especially

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military acronyms. They seem to be
I'm gonna add that everywhere from yeah,

618
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I'm gonna yeah, all right,
all the other ones from nineteen forties.

619
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I got two thousands. Right,
how about how about you, Terry anything

620
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you said you put thirty five thousand
feet. Yeah, the aerial view of

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a lot of crime scene exactly exactly. So that's gonna end it for us.

622
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Now, you guys, we are
definitely out of time. I'm glad

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that we made it through all of
these slides. This means that we can

624
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move on with Jack's move into South
Lake Tahoe, his meeting of Dennis Kaufman's

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family, and we're gonna take it
off from there. Everybody have a wonderful

626
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weekend. Thank you so much,
Terry Nolan, Harriet for being here.

627
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This was a hilarious one. And
we will have Mother's Day. Happy Brother's

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Day, Yes, Happy Mother's Day
to everybody. You take care. Thanks kids,