Episode 111: New Solves, Letters and Crimes – 2-2-2024

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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit

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the Road Jack Finding the Zodiac Today. I'm going to welcome to the show

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early, Nolan del Campo. Looky, Matt, how are you doing today?

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Bright and shiny? Right, all
right, let's bring on. Harriet

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Souchet. Oh no, just as
we said, are you there? Good

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morning, Good morning, I'm there, very nice. I want to go

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to the presentation because I did actually
have somebody last week that had discussed possibly

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seen what they thought might have looked
like a picture of Jack in a new

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Black Dollia documentary called Black Dollia Confidential. He did actually send me over a

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screenshot of that individual he thought may
have been Jack, so we can all

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take a look at this picture.
Now. I don't think this looks like

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Jack. My sentiments personally, Jack
was probably about nineteen years old at this

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time during the Black Dollia stuff.
So I don't believe that this individual.

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I think he's a little bit older
and clearly does not look like what Jack

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looked like at nineteen. What do
you think, Harriet. It's a tough

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call because I've seen you know,
Dennis. Dennis lived with me for a

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while for a while, so he
was show pictures of Jack when he was

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younger. So it's a tough ll. You know, I will go put.

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You know, I probably should have
juxtaposed it to one of Jack's pictures

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when he was approximately nineteen. I
will do that. I just didn't see

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this being Jack. It doesn't look
like Jack to me. The facial structure

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is wrong, the chin isn't wide
enough. We don't They're just things about

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it that are not wrapping up for
me in the Jack realm. Anyways.

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We also, I don't think it's
him. I don't think it's him,

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but we've seen as you did last
week's show. You showed many changes in

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his face and his beard and his
looks, So you know, that's why

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it's it's on the edge for me. I know that he looked different in

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every picture that he took one from
the next. However, I look at

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this picture and it didn't strike me
like, oh, I want to fall

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out of my chair. This is
Jack. I also don't think that they

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would actually put a picture of Jack
up there with black Dahlia. That's just

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my consensus. And what were you
saying, Nolan. His face looks longer,

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Yeah, longer, skinnier. Yeah, there's a lot of things.

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Weird kind of elongates his face,
So there are similarities, but I don't

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think it's Jack. Yeah, I'm
I'm dead on the on the chin part,

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like he's got a thin chin,
like I do this picture here,

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Jack has a very wide, cleft
chin. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways,

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onto my next YouTube comment or this
individual is out of the country, but

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he felt the need to come and
tell me that I'm wrong. I'm wrong.

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Jack's not the one. It's got
Kowski. And he lists a numerous

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amount of reasoning for his particular thought
process on Gaikowski being the one, including

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being able to find you know,
Gyke and how that plays into the ciphers

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and stuff like that. I indicated
that I was going to throw this back

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up. We've already done an episode
where we've cleared Gaikowski, and at least

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in my mind, Gaikowski would have
been thirty two years of age at the

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time of the Zodiac Killer, which
contradicts the thirty five to forty five year

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old notion that was given by the
eyewitness police officer at the presidio. They

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also talked about the turkey neck that
Jack had and the wrinkle lines on his

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forehead as a sign of age.
We did not We wouldn't expect to see

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that, I think in a thirty
two year old person. And then of

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course he would have been twenty eight
years old during the riverside and Sherry Joe

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bates things. So as far as
I'm concerned, he has he's not old

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enough to have been involved with the
lipstick killings and the Black Doahlia. And

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we know that the Zodiac made reference
to a hell of a lot more down

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there when they discovered his riverside activity. So I'm assuming at this point that

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he is taking credit for many other
crimes that we're completely unaware of, and

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he is not counting for those crimes
or those attacks or victims in any of

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the letters that he's proposing as the
Zodiac killer, except for when he states

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that you discovered my riverside activity where
it applies to Sherry Joe Bates. I

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do not know if he then turned
around and added that particular number for that

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murder into it, but to say
there's a hell of a lot more down

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there is alluding to we're looking for
many more murders. So I told the

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guy I was going to pull it
up. I'm showing you guys as handwriting

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here on his own passport application.
It is not a match. There are

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many things that are different and off
about his writing that is not similar to

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what we've been looking at thus far. So Jack is still it for me,

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Thank you. Liberton six six two
one. So I wanted to kind

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of go over a summary of triggering
events at this point in time. We're

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going to see some changes. Were
seeing the DC Freeway phantom starting up.

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We're seeing some I forty five killings
that are going to begin. And so

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if everybody is on board with me
and have been following the information on Jack,

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do we know On March nineteenth,
nineteen seventy one, Jack is sentenced

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to one year probation under a different
name for shooting a black man with the

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self defense claim. This was in
a Pleasanton Santa Clara area, Santa Clara

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County area, where he was reigned. His order on March twenty second,

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nineteen seventy one was signed by the
judge on March twenty second, nineteen seventy

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one. We also had the twelfth
Victims Sought postcard is sent, which I

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think is a crossover to the upcoming
question Zodiac correspondence that claims shot twenty one

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victims spelled the same way. Woods
dies April dated seven thirteen to seventy one.

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Danny has also gone to Cya for
robbing a liquor store using Jack's thirty

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thirty shotgun, and in April of
nineteen seventy one, Doris leaves Jack.

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Jack is using two different addresses in
San Jose at this time, but he's

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been frequenting South Lake Tahoe, which
refers to the Paradise reference. And we're

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also going to see how he's going
to be on the other side of the

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United States here. Within a few
slides in April, the DC Freeway phantom

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begins. We know that Jack meets
Nora at some point after this, and

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then Nora buys that ice blue Chevy
in twelve of seventy one question is did

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she buy it from Jack? What
I would like to have is somebody who

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can research vehicle titles and tell us
we do have the title information and the

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ven number to see who was the
owner of this vehicle before Nora bought it,

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because it was, as astutely pointed
out to me by Moonlight, was

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that we don't know where she bought
it from or who she bought it from,

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but Jack could have had access to
it previous, or Jack could have

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been offering it to her to get
it out of his possession, to alleviate

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any suspicion because that similar type of
vehicle had been seen at one of the

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crimes. Getting that I know,
no c I a stuff there that this

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is covered up. Okay, well
we know That's why I said. They

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likely would not have put Jack's picture
into anything to do with Black Dahlia.

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So that brings us to your solve
of the Sierra card, the twelfth victim

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sought card, which, of course
there have been implications that somebody, some

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law enforcement officer frauded this thing.
I just highly doubt that that's the truth

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of the matter. I think that
it all fits in very neatly. He

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is telling people that we have this
missing victim, and maybe at this point

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in time is when they start figuring
out where they need to dump these remains

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so that they can be found and
identified as hers. So can you tell

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us a little bit about what you
did on this card? Well, I

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was just looking trying to understand what
would make sense. This is new,

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this is a new field for me. This is where we second twenty eighteen.

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So this is like probably the fortieth
one I've done. So. So

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the letters, you were just using
the letters from the cutouts basically, Yeah,

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And I was starting to know that
that's an anagram, and you know,

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try to either look and see if
it's an anagram or if it's going

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to fit as a grill cipher.
This one's coming out as mostly an anagram

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if I remember correctly. Okay,
So then I do have some of your

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work here, and we show how
you moved those particular letters into the the

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solve and you anagrammed those out and
then you came out with this message that

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says you want to read that for
us. Yeah, it's saying, uh,

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number one, he's trying to say
something about Nixon. Siegel, which

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is Buggsy Siegel, the ge gal. I believe that's Francis Brown or Josephine

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Ross's one of the too. They
worked for something I had to do with

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general electric atomic energy that was a
no no to be I mean cold war

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stuff. So she knew something and
that's why she was killed. Anyways,

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and then he's saying about Susan Dagnan
and then he's saying Buddsy sequel r X.

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That's the the drug girl short,
Elizabeth Short. She was allegedly running

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some drugs for them, but also
giving information. So anyways, then it's

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saying TV Nixon Hotel, last,
got it, get next her? Got

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it next East State Line, Nevada. So got it. I'm realizing,

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I yeah, I'm sorry. So
I'm realizing that there's more code on this

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because I didn't do the stamps on
the other side. Gotcha. It's saying

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something there. It's you had a
grandma and you get something everyzing about the

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last so on and so on on. Okay, you're cutting in and out,

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so I'm hoping that doesn't con Yeah, no, but but no,

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it's it's it's something there. This
is probably again my fortieth one or is

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it my thirty seventh I think okay, so I was. This was new

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to me. That's when I came
out. And it's dated March ninth,

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twenty eighteen, right right, So
so basically he's talking about seagull. So

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no, Susan Dagnan was actually the
lipstick killings in Chicago, Illinois, and

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her father was the Yes, he
was some high official with the of the

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Office of Price Administration. And one
of the letters that was written lawn,

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one of the letters that were written
to law enforcement back there stated too bad,

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I didn't get old man Dagnan.
He had to get his daughter instead.

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So he Yeah, but there are
lots of connections between the lipstick killings

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and the killings the Black Dahlia killings, because as we know, it wasn't

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just Elizabeth Short. There were several
young women in La killings in that time

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period, and they would be killed
on streets that had names of the victims

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in Chicago or similar streets in Chicago. They were leaving kills the two series

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of crimes, and you're right,
and it was actually back and forth.

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So in Chicago, Dagnan's remains or
partial remains were strewn about on Hollywood Boulevard

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and back in Black Dahlia, Black
Dahlia's parts were left near Dagnan Boulevard,

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So yes, it is there.
There is a flip flopping of names and

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locations there, and the bottom line
is is that both these victims and Black

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Dahlia were bisected. They were both
dismembered like animals, and we know the

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hunter exactly. Son does a good
job of making that connection in his books,

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The Black Dahlia Avenger and the other
book that he wrote. When you're

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starting right and we're starting to see
through, Harriet solve that that the zodiac

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is actually naming Hodell as some type
of individual involved with this stuff, right,

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Harry, he was a surgeon,
Yeah, he right, I think

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he was. He's coming off as
somebody who was old enough to be training

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your crew of ages ages that Jack
and his crew were, so I'm saying,

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and they can throw things at me, I don't care. It looks

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like he was training the younger crew. So because hold era that we do

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until I'm seeing it. So you
know, that's my invigable opinion. And

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Jack and Elizabeth Short have connections to
Chicago area too, exactly, Yes,

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most definitely, So One of the
articles that came out in regards to the

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sought victim twelve is that Tahoe girl
may be victim of Zodiac. A new

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message from the Zodiac killer reveals he
may have claimed victim twelve in the Lake

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Tahoe area. Authorities in South Lake
Tahoe said the victim might be Dona Las,

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a twenty five year old nurse who
vanished there September sixth. The communicate

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from the elusive murderer, who is
known to have killed six persons consisted,

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who is he known of killing six
persons? At this point? They've only

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ever labeled him for five? Well, I guess if you threw in cherry

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Joe Bates, all right, six
might make sense. Consistent of a five

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cent Oh, I can't see what
that says. It's consistent of a five

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cent postcard with words and picture cut
from newspapers pasted to one side. At

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the bottom was a familiar cross and
circle symbol. The card was sent to

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a San Francisco reporter Monday and immediately
turned over to the police. Handwriting expert

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Sherwood Moral of the State Bureau of
Criminal Investigation and Identification at Sacramento confirmed that

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the address on the front was in
Zodiac's writing. The cutout picture showed a

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snow scene with condominium type buildings set
among pine trees. In the upper right

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corner, a circle apparently made with
a paper punch had been cut out,

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possibly indicating the spot where a body
was hidden. Now do you have you

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ever seen this this? Oh?
I see the whole punch? Is that

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what they're talking about? Is that
circle up here in the right hand corner?

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Harriet? Oh, yeah, that's
what they're talking about. Okay,

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I sit now. Well, see
there was the thirteenth Victim card came out

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with whole punches, key punch was
it? Oh we've lost Harriet, And

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she's the one that knows about this
whole punch and key punch up. So

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key punch up operators actually become some
victims here shortly, and they used that

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whole punch like you would to mark
whatever the demarcations were on the cards that

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they were doing. So to have
a whole punch or to hear about a

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whole punch is kind of consistent with
the thirteenth Victim card, which tells me

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again likely that this was perpetrated by
the Zodiac. Unlike what we were told

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that somebody from law enforcement forged it, and the upper right corner circle apparently

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made a paper punch, possibly indicating
the spot where a body was hidden,

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pasted across the top of the picture, where the word Sierra Club at the

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bottom a fixed upside down as the
phrase around in the snow and beneath the

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photo were glued sought. Victim twelve
peeked through the pines and pass Lake Tahoe

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areas. The card has the second
message from the Bragger Killing Braggert Killer in

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eight days. On March fifteenth,
he broke a five month silence with a

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letter to Los Angeles time is boasting
of seven plus victims. The name of

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Donna Lass as the object of the
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Tahoe Police chief right lower. Wait
a minute, why did you impose Sierra

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Club on the photo? That's weird. He's calling he's calling out the society

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for some reason. I did.
Do you know much about the Sierra Club,

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Harriet. It's a government run It's
a government run agency that was probably

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caused some problems with you know,
you got to talk gee, what was

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happening The Dumming. You are cutting
in and out, Harriet, you might

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have to call in no club there
environmental activists that they're they're preserving nature and

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redwood trees and things like that.
That's what they're called the Sierra Club because

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that's where they got started, you
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area. I think she she mentioned
it here. Lake Village was developed and

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the subdivision built in nineteen seventy onward. It's in zeyfer Cove state Line,

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approximately one mile north northeast from Old
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The picture is said to be an
Incline Village circa nineteen seventy development artists rendition

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of Forest Pines advertisement in a newspaper
state line, Lake Village and forest.

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There's a reason why he's calling out
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club opposed that development. I think
maybe, yes, that you got it.

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I think yeah, because you know, that was a huge development for

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Incline, which is a very pristine
and beautiful area. So I think Sierra

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clup opposed that development. That's one
of the things I could think of that

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he put that there. Huh,
who knows, But interesting that's a take

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on that, right, So it
says from the beginning we have believed she

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was abducted and is dead. Oh, the key punch operator, Harriet,

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did you hear us talking about that? Then? What one the key?

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So this this says here that the
cutout picture showed a snow scene with condominium

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buildings set among the trees. In
the upper right corner, a circle apparently

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made with a paper punch had been
cut out. So right up here on

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the right hand corner, you see
this whole punch that's consistent with the thirteenth

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victim card and the key punch operators
we're going to see that are going to

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be killed here shortly. So you
you took notice to those key punch or

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those whole punches, correct, Yeah, if I remember correctly, if I

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did something about putting that on the
map, this area I'm putting on the

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map in the distance is the roundabout
where that whole punch is. Really,

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so you got that line up on
the map. Interesting, Yeah, if

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I remember correctly, I saw that. I thought that was amazingly coincidental.

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That looks like a certain area.
What's that it's a different it's a different

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location of a development, but it's
near, it's in It's in a certain

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area close to South Lake Tahoe.
And when you look the Rubicon Trail,

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if I remember right, when you
look using the map, there's in the

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distance in nineteen seventy without all the
buildings that are there now, and this

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was now being developed. The roundabout
seems to be in that right round where

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that where that punches. I think
this is. This is in Clark.

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Shore Tahoe, by King's Beach, passing

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each I suppose it would depend on
what area you're you looking at. He

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obviously took away or took out the
Forest Pines or whatever the actual name of

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this division was, and he pasted
Sierra Club in it. So if you're

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mapping out Sierra Club versus Forest Pines, we may be finding ourselves in a

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different area, right No, I
think I think his intention is to show

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that Sierra Club opposed that development because
it was a big time development for that

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area. Well, it would be
you'd be opposing the mob. You'd be

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opposing the mob. You'd be opposing
politicians, people who were interested in making

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this money. But a lot of
the old time locals a lot of the

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old money up there did not want
that development because that was all for new

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money. Right, And you know
the lake is such a beautiful or christine

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environment that nobody likes growth up there. People that have been there for years

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don't want more people up there.
Right says from the beginning, we have

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believed she was abducted and is dead. He said it was not in her

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character to drop out. She was, in the true sense of the word,

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a good girl. Miss La last
left the Sahara Hotel where Jack's daughter

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worked, casino where she worked at
two pm September sixth, and was never

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seen again. Her car was parked
by her apartment and showed those signs of

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the struggle had taken place. The
only possessions that appeared missing were the clothing

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she was wearing and her purse.
Right that south show Sahara South show that

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any line is north shore, which
is kind of odd. But we know

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that her body was transferred because her
school was found off of I eighty right

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past north Shore. Yeah, if
you went out that eighting, Yeah,

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so I did the city, yes, in west right. I had done

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some research early on in regards to
Bohemian growth, how this area in Pataluma,

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California, is close to the Santa
Rosa hitchhiker murders and those things that

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were happening. The reason why I
climbed into this was for some obvious reasons,

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was that the Bohemian Club, who
runs this particular piece of twenty seven

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hundred acres if you will, is
a private campground for the elite. It

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was originally established by newspaper journalists and
owned by Melvin Cyrus Meeker. So basically,

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Bohemian Grove is this campground where for
two weeks out of the summer or

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whatever it is, all of these
very elite, high high influential people come

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in. They're set up in camps
and they have this good old boy thing

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that's going on. In fact,
women were pretty much ostricated from even working

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at the events or being there.
It was supposed to what's that. They

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did a lot of weird ceremonial stuff
there and yeah, we're gonna we're gonna

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get to that conservative A lot of
the people in Reagan's cabinet, like George

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Sultz and people like that, or
Bohemian growth people. Right, So it

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says both quasi satanic rituals and all
kinds of wordships, Well, we're gonna,

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yeah, we're gonna get We're gonna
get to that stuff. I just

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wanted to kind of give them a
basis or a background on what was originally

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founded. The Bohemian Grove in Montereo, California is a restricted twenty seven hundred

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acre campground at twenty six to oh
one Bohemian Avenue belonging to a private gentleman's

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club known as the Bohemian Club.
Now the Bohemian Club is actually based corporate

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headquarters is based in San Francisco,
just distances from the MK Ultra Safehouses.

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Wow Bohemian Grove there was a beautiful
little town on the Russian River not far

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from the Gernville Right Grove hosts a
more than two week encampment of some of

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the most prominent men in the world. The Bohemian Club's all male membership includes

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artists, musicians, as well as
many prominent business leaders, government officials,

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and former US politicians. Since the
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mascot has been an owl, which
we do see the owl coming into play

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at some point in time with the
zodiac stuff symbolizing wisdom, A thirty foot

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hollow owl statue made of concrete over
steel support, stands at the head of

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Lake of the Lake in the grove. The statue was designed by sculptor and

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two time club president Haig Patigian.
It was constructed in the late nineteen twenties.

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Since nineteen twenty nine, the owl
shrine has served as the backdrop of

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the yearly Cremation of Care ceremony.
So, yes, you were talking about

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the ceremonies that they are having.
Yes, the Satanic symbol as well.

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Really yeah, not just wisdom,
but it's Satana's favorite birds, the owl.

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It's funny that mass media and everybody
wanted to put a Satanic spin on

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the zodiac. So now that makes
sense. If if they're the ones doing

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the rituals and all of these things, and the zodiac is hitting hard at

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these people, they're then you know, distracting us with the notion that it

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has to do with astrology or Satanism
or something that I find is really just

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distractory. I don't believe that there
was any part of that, at least

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not on the zodiacs end. I
don't think so either. The club motto

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overlapping cross overb but it's it's I
think it's intentional by by the zodiac.

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Say I hope Harriet calls in one. Keep an ear out for the phone

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in case Harriet needs to call.
Oh, she's coming back in again.

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So the club motto is weaving spiders
come not here, which implies that outside

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concerns and business deals networking are to
be left outside. However, we're gonna

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see that that motto isn't truly followed. When gathered in groups, Bohemians usually

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adhere to the injunction, although discussions
of business often occurs between pairs of members.

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Important political and business deals have been
developed at the grove. So if

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you're supposed to leave this outside,
then how are they making important business deals?

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In planning? The grove is particularly
you love this. The grove is

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particularly famous for a Manhattan Project planning
meeting that took place there in September nineteen

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forty two, which subsequently led to
the atomic bomb. Those attending this meeting

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included Ernest Lawrence, J. Robert
Openheier, the S one Executive committee heads

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do you know what S one is? No? Yah, such as the

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presidents of Harvard, Yale, and
Princeton, along with representatives of Standard Oil

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and General Electric. I can't believe
Harriet's not here right now since we talk

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about she just got done talking about
Gegal right, and here we are seeing

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General involved in this. Those are
big, well, yes, major power

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brokers in the world, not just
the United States, right, as well

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as various military officials. At the
time, Openaheire was not an S one

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member. Although Lawrence and Openheier hosted
the meeting. Grove members take particular pride

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in this event and often relate the
story to new attendees. Other behavior at

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the campground has led to numerous claims
and even some parody in popular culture.

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One example was President Richard Nixon's comments
from May thirteenth, nineteen seventy one,

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a tape recording talking about upper class
San Franciscans, he says, the Bohemian

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Grove, which I attend from time
to time, is the most faggy goddamn

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thing you ever you could ever imagine
with that San Francisco crowd. So San

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Francisco is heading this Bohemian grove,
Nixon, are you back with Terrian?

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Yeah? It wasn't his cup of
tea evidence the Cremation of Care ceremony is

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a theatrical production in which some of
the club's members participate as actors. It

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was first conducted in eighteen eighty one. The production was devised by James F.

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Bowman, with George T. Bromley
playing the High Priest. Now we

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have the High Priest and the order
actually uses black hooded robes so a lot.

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Yes, oh yes, the owl, the inset of the owl,

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and the stone buildings. Yes.
Absolutely. It was originally set up within

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the plot of the series High Jinks
dramatic performance on the first weekend of the

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summer encampment, after which the Spirit
of Care, slain by the Jinx Hero,

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was solemnly cremated. The ceremony served
as a catharsis for pent up high

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spirits and to present symbolically the salvation
of the trees by the club. The

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cremation of Care was separated from the
other Grove plays in nineteen thirteen and moved

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to the first night to become an
exercising of the demon. To ensure the

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success of the ensuing two weeks,
the Grove play was moved to the last

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weekend of the encounpment. Now this
isn't the only one like it Florida also

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has Coconut Grove, which I have
been told is pretty similar to what is

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going on in Bohemian Grove. I
would like to find the truth out about

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that, but I did look that
up a little bit myself as well.

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So the security for Bohemian Grove happens
to be CIA Secret Service and Sonoma County

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Sheriff's Department go figuere. CIA did
not operate here if so many unsolved murders

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up there, especially if young women. Right, So, the Bohemian Grove

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is protected by a sophisticated security team
year round, not just when they're there.

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The Bohemian Club employs ex military personnel
to help secure the area. They

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use high end security equipment, including
thermal night vision cameras, motion detectors,

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and vibrating sensing alarm systems. The
level of security is particularly heightened during the

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time periods that members are on site. During these times, the local Sheriff's

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office, California Highway Patrol, and, if warranted by the guest list,

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the United States Secret Service helped to
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In twenty nineteen, the Sonoma County
Board of Supervisors informed the club that

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twenty nineteen would be the last year
they provided law enforcement security, and despite

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the high level of security present,
there have been numerous high profile successful infiltrations

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of the Boghemian Grove. One of
them I want to note is on July

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fifteenth of two thousand, Alex Jones
and his cameraman Mike Hanson clandestinely entered Bohemian

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Grove and shot footage from the cremation
of care ceremony. Jones claimed it was

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a ritual sacrifice. From this footage, documentary filmmaker John Ronson produced the episode

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The Satanic Shadowy Elite, in which
he characterizes the proceedings as an overgrown frat

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party, while Jones produced Dark Secrets
Inside Bohemian Grove, describing what he said

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were Satanic rituals. So, yes, there's what you had going for that.

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I'm all over it. I wish
we could get Harriet to call in.

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We're gonna be coming up to this
letter here any minute. So the

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camps are based on stature, just
like different societies. The main camp encampment

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area consists of one hundred and sixty
acres of old growth redwood trees over a

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thousand years old. Some over three
hundred feet sleeping quarters or camps are also

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scattered throughout the grove. There were
one hundred and eighteen as of two thousand

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and seven. These camps, which
are frequently petrenail and the principal means through

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which high level business and political contacts, contacts and friendships are formed. Let

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me see if I can get trying
to call wand she's trying to call.

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Hopefully she pops on here and we
can call her back. Yeah, her

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connection is not very good today,
right, So now let's go to the

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memberships that are given to presidents Bush
and presidents selected by blood called three two

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two of the Bone Society or yours
in three two two by Bones. We'll

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get to the Bones because that's a
fraternal society in I believe Yale Yale,

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Yale University. Yeah, Builderberg group
including Rockefeller cabinet officials. Are you there,

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Dee you Herris, I'm here.
I was trying to call in.

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I just told Wan to listen for
the phone. So if you want to

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try calling in, just to make
sure that you stay with us when we

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go through this, that's up to
you. Everything is choppy. You're working

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right now, so if you break
up again, just call back. I

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told Wan to expect that call,
all right. So other members are directors

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00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:06.880
and CEOs, major financial institutions such
as Chase Bank, military contractors like War

403
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:10.880
Defense or the Industrial War Complex,
oil companies, banks such as the Federal

404
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:17.199
Reserve, Utilities, Nuclear Power,
General Electric PG and E. National media

405
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:22.440
such as Randolph Hurst, Chicago Tribune, Reps, Stone Phillips with dateline NBC.

406
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:30.400
Benjamin Brewster from Standard Oil Company of
New Jersey, and Exxonmour Seymour,

407
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:36.360
Now I must have misspelled that Seymour, but owner of F. W.

408
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.159
Woolworth and we see the Zodiac actually
using F. W. Woolworth paper in

409
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:46.679
one of his communications, so there's
a tie in. Let's see secretaries at

410
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:53.239
State, CIA and United World Federalists. Edgar Kaiser, white House Fellow and

411
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:58.679
special assistant to Lyndon B. Johnson, also of Kaiser Steel and Kaiser Medical,

412
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:04.119
Doubt Chemicals, Hollywood, the International
Film Company, And the one that

413
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:08.480
struck me the most was Cord Meyer
Junior. Gordon Myers, my boy.

414
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:15.360
He was a higranking CIA official whose
wife Mary was murdered by I think the

415
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:21.440
CIA and James Angleton went over her
house and stole her her diary. And

416
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:28.039
Ben Bradley, the editor of Washington
Post, was married to Mary Myrier's sister,

417
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:30.400
and they were over there too,
And when they got there they found

418
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:37.039
James Ingleton already there right well.
And I brought that back so everybody could

419
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.840
kind of wrap this up in one
neat little ball, because on October twelfth

420
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:44.320
of nineteen sixty four, quite some
time ago, we talked about the death

421
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.679
of Mary pinschow Meyer in Washington,
d C. New England, Washington,

422
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:52.159
d C. Socialite and close friend
of JFK, who she targeted during the

423
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:58.079
Bay of Pigs fiasco and had affair
with him, affecting his decision making.

424
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:02.119
At that time journalists from Adam as
well was where she kept company with politicians

425
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:07.519
and up and coming ingenus. Mary
married cord Meyer of the CIA. Cord

426
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:12.280
Meyer Junior is a scroll and key
member from Yale. Now, everybody keep

427
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.280
in mind Bones, you had to
be blooded in you literally had to be

428
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:20.440
inducted. You weren't. You couldn't
just be anybody, even if you were

429
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.239
rich and you were going to Yale. So they started to develop their own

430
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:29.840
societies outside of the Bones society,
and that included the Skull and I'm sorry,

431
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:35.119
Scroll and Key, and the Wolf's
Head societies out of Yale, the

432
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:40.960
Primary i think, Primary, Skull
and Key, uh and but you were

433
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:47.559
related. They call them Legacy.
Bush was bones, bones, Bush was

434
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:53.559
bones. Okay, all right,
that's everything that i'd read. But he

435
00:36:53.599 --> 00:37:00.280
would be a president. Seen in
the movie about that The Older, a

436
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:07.719
movie about Bush where he's at Yale
and he gets in We've got three bushes

437
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.079
though. We got Granddaddy Bush.
We got Daddy Bush, we got Bush

438
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:14.920
the third, Like, yeah,
there's so much bushes all all the Bushes

439
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:21.599
were in the same society. Yeah, blooded in So the Primary operative and

440
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:25.960
Operation Moncky Bird a covert mission to
sway public opinion using mass media. Both

441
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:31.239
they're considered communists. Bush's Bone Society
of Yale, Black Hooded Robes, Wolf's

442
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:35.920
Head. We've talked about Wolf's Head
in some of Harriet's Sol's. Mary was

443
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.719
part of a small circle of upper
socialite women to influence the decision making processes

444
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:45.039
of high political figures or men by
using sex and LSD. This is the

445
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:49.840
mk Ultra program, you guys.
She was shot to death on a walk,

446
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.880
one in the head and the other
in the heart. This was definitely

447
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:58.920
an intentional assassination. Two weeks after
the gunshots were heard. Let's see,

448
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.599
I don't know why I said two
weeks after the two gunshots were heard.

449
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:07.840
I don't know what I meant by
that. That brings us back to what

450
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:14.079
we were talking about earlier in regards
to Jack having been convicted and put on

451
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:19.280
probation. We can now see that
the continuation this is the handwriting of the

452
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.920
clerk that is filling out the paid
receipt and the monthly installments that Jack has

453
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:28.639
to make for his restitution. And
we can see up here in the left

454
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.159
hand corner that she also spelled his
name once again, Jack Torrance, t

455
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:37.039
r R A n CE. This
means that Jack has to have had this

456
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:44.039
type of an ID they would identify
you for something like this. Either way.

457
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.440
The suspension is in Santa Clara County. Jack's claiming an address at twenty

458
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:52.880
four to fifteen do Doburn Avenue,
San Jose, California. Even though Dennis

459
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:57.360
claims that Jack is in South Lake
Tahoe by this time, he is still

460
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.320
currently using San Jose addresses. He
did say that Jack kept his house until

461
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:06.079
at least nineteen seventy two in the
San Jose area, which is odd if

462
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:12.000
you've moved to another town and you're
with another family. But the clerk is

463
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.679
still referring to Jack as Torrance,
which appears to mean that Jack made no

464
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.519
effort to make a correction to the
file whatsoever. I did look up.

465
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:28.760
I think that he was wonded out. He was bailed out under Torrance.

466
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.639
He had to have an identification.
He continued that facade all the way through.

467
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:38.159
I did do a run on the
Doughburn Avenue address. I came up

468
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:43.679
with this spot here though it looks
like Doughburn comes to a stop here.

469
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:47.000
So I'm not sure how they relate
this to being Doburn, unless this was

470
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:52.360
Doburn back in the day and has
now changed into some other street, because

471
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:57.239
it does not look to me like
this particular plot actually sits on Doburn Avenue

472
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.920
because it becomes Clyde a drive from
this to the right of it. Either

473
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:07.039
way, it does exist. So
we do finally have a house that Jack

474
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.960
is listing, and it's an eighteen
hundred square foot house. It's a big,

475
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:15.320
big house. There's a big house
during that. Yeah, it says

476
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:22.599
also multiple occupancies. So I'm wondering
if it was set up like a halfway

477
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:28.760
house for military or veterans or I
don't know, whatever it is. It

478
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:34.199
definitely has some interesting background. Now
this actually goes into where I see that

479
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:39.000
Jack goes off the grid until mid
to late nineteen seventy two, or well,

480
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:43.440
Dennis is still convinced they met in
nineteen seventy one, but I don't

481
00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:47.159
think they actually got together per se
until nineteen seventy two, based on some

482
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:53.119
of the pictures. And he begins
working for ways up there. It's definitely

483
00:40:53.239 --> 00:41:00.039
seventy one because he says that when
the dB Cooper thing hit and when and

484
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:06.800
the guy jumps out the plane,
Dennis says he will never forget that Jack

485
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:10.800
came home in nineteen seventy one on
that date with the busted up shoulder,

486
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:15.519
and his mother nursed him, and
he told the story something happened in the

487
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:21.400
Reno area and he took a motorcycle
home and he claims that he wrecked that

488
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:25.320
motorcycle. I believe, yeah,
something like that. So so, and

489
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:30.400
I got a better clearer signal.
Now I'll explain later how I did it.

490
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:35.360
But anyways, I'm here. Oh, yeah, much better. Yeah.

491
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:37.880
At this time, Jack has a
photo lab in a San Jose home

492
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.800
where Dennis believes that Jack transferred pictures
onto one ten rules of film for safe

493
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:46.320
keeping of the Black Doll You murders, and that when he developed those films,

494
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:53.039
we've shown what we believe is actually
Black Dahlia in the middle of shock

495
00:41:53.440 --> 00:42:00.280
and terror with her mouth cut.
At least that's my perception the Zodie Act.

496
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:04.960
I want to say that the Zodiac
goes silent on communications for three years,

497
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.519
but in reality we're going to actually
see some I've never seen before,

498
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:12.800
So that statement has turned out to
possibly be untrue. He did not actually

499
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.800
go silent, but I think he
moved his killings to another location since he

500
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:21.199
was put on probation and was not
allowed to have guns in California. But

501
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:25.360
the Texas and dc DC finds itself
a serial killer at the same time California

502
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.800
gets a break. Jack has a
picture of himself while in Texas visiting his

503
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:34.320
mother on almost all occasions that the
Texas has an unsolved murder, So every

504
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:39.400
time I was able to locate a
picture of Jack being in in the Texas

505
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:44.840
area, it also related to the
timeframe in which we had victims of the

506
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:50.559
I forty five killings. We've already
spoke about Doris having separated from Jack on

507
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:53.880
four one of nineteen seventy one,
and we see the DC Freeway Phantom and

508
00:42:53.960 --> 00:43:01.360
Maryland the political Nixon sixteen month long
black girlurial killing spree that begins April twenty

509
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:06.440
first of nineteen seventy one with Carol
Denise Sphinx. She was taken from A

510
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:08.920
seven to eleven across the border into
Maryland. So we have the crossing of

511
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:15.440
jurisdictions, just as we see happening
in most of the Zodiac killings. I

512
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.880
also want to allude to the twenty
one victims shot in April dies in the

513
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:25.199
woods. I think he is really
referring to what he has begun as the

514
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:30.079
DC Freeway Phantom. She's a half
mile from her home, just over the

515
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:34.280
Maryland border into DC. She's thirteen
years old. The body is discovered six

516
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:37.280
days later. Reports show May first, nineteen seventy one. She had been

517
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:42.599
strangled and raped, found on the
shoulder of IT two ninety five near Anacostia

518
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:46.880
River. Crossing of jurisdictions. I
wanted to cross the same issues with this

519
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:52.760
murder spree with the Atlanta, Georgia
child killer with nothing more than the black

520
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:57.599
boys that were being killed. It's
like that subset of this is what this

521
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:00.840
killing spree is going to entail.
And of course we had Watergate and Nixon

522
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:07.920
happening all during the Atlanta child killer
stuff going on, but so in we

523
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:14.280
also had another individual on May twenty
fourth of nineteen seventy one that was traveling

524
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.239
to visit family in Watsonville, California. She passed an old, light colored

525
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:22.039
Ford Sedan parked along the highway.
The car started up and followed her bumpered

526
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:24.599
a bumper, it seems, she
said. It occurred to her that the

527
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:28.760
driver might be in trouble, She
said, so she stopped and rolled down

528
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:32.840
the window tation. He looked in
the window, she said, and he

529
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:37.320
had the most horribly insane looking face
I've ever seen. Miss Grant said she

530
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:42.079
gunned her car and quote got out
of there, quote, but the man

531
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.400
pursued her and started shooting until she
got off the Watsonville turn off. She

532
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:52.000
arrived at the police station with a
tire that was flat and seventeen bolt holes

533
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.239
in the back of her car.
This is reminiscent of Kathleen John's with the

534
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:59.000
following with the following of the car, and I believe the police report states

535
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:00.920
that it was also a like colored
Forward Sedan. I will have to go

536
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:06.920
back and check that location of attempt
is two hours from Modesto abduction of Kathleen

537
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:15.360
John's. On June ninth of nineteen
seventy one, Betty Kloher is murdered thirty

538
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:20.440
miles east of Sacramento. But it
looks like they linked that DNA to a

539
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:24.119
Philip A. Thompson. Is that
correct as far as your solves are showing,

540
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:29.239
Harryett, I believe so. Yeah, I believe so. It was

541
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:31.360
on the murder map of Bets.
She was twenty one years old, her

542
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:36.679
hometown of Eugene, Oregon. Jack's
new connection with Portland, Oregon for the

543
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.000
next upcoming event of D B.
Cooper and did she know too much?

544
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.880
Police believed she went dancing, met
a man and impulsively decided to go to

545
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.719
Lake Tahoe with the man. So
it just keeps winning to back in Jack's

546
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:51.360
realm, and we know that that's
where Jack is frequenting at this point.

547
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:55.280
The body was found near Placerville,
California, also where Jack frequented and lived

548
00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:00.440
in Mount Aukham and Somerset. She
had been beaten, raped and show if

549
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:02.679
this was Jack. He didn't up, he didn't uphold the no gun order.

550
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:06.400
But as we're seeing, it was
linked to Philip A. Thompson.

551
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:12.119
So I have equivocally written this one
off as somebody else being the murderer.

552
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:17.599
Bottom line is is our juice?
Well, I think that I think that

553
00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:22.679
some of I think some of the
he sexually assaulted them to make it look

554
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:27.039
like it was a rape. I
don't know that it was an actual rape,

555
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:29.639
and I don't know if they received
any DNA evidence. I mean,

556
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:34.400
this one says yes, linked by
DNA, So this person was raped versus

557
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.320
the appearance of being raped. So
that's why I didn't think it was Jack.

558
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:40.159
That's why I don't think it was
Jack, because verse was rape and

559
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:44.760
the other person's DNA matches, So
I think they may have the right guy

560
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:50.880
right. And I ruled out anybody
that was physically raped as the possibility for

561
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:55.079
Jack as a crime unless it looked
like they were sexually assaulted, say with

562
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:59.639
a stick or a gun or you
know things that he did back in the

563
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:04.159
black all your era that he a
bottle brush. He used a bottle brush

564
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:10.559
for a limb of a tree to
sexually assault someone. So on June sixteenth,

565
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:22.599
nineteen one robbery either, but that
it was to throw people off off

566
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:29.519
the trail to make it look like
a robbery motive, but he wasn't really

567
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:34.519
after them. I think that there
was. I think there was robbery involved

568
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:38.920
in his times when he was broke, because he's complaining he's not getting paid

569
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:43.800
for the work that he's doing.
Dennis made a comment that Jack would claim

570
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.360
to have gone down to some campsite
and done some gold panning, and then

571
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:51.239
he was going to go to Nevada
to sell the gold. But Dennis thinks

572
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:57.079
that that was actually jewelry or other
items he had taken from victims. Interesting,

573
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:02.039
okay, so there is that known
to be a prospector. That's I

574
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:06.719
know that he was known to be
a prospector. And he sent in the

575
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.679
prospecting card the little guy on the
donkey saying your ass is a dragon.

576
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:19.480
Yeah see you at Dennis still he
was a prospector. Also, even though

577
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.159
he was poor, he would go
out and look for gold and he would

578
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:28.800
find On June sixteenth, nineteen seventy
one. Jack is using the address now

579
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:32.239
only three months later from the Doughburn
address. He's now saying he's at eighteen

580
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:37.440
seventy eight Park Avenue, San Jose, and he is still writing his name

581
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:44.320
on his receipts as Jack W.
Torrance t O R R A Nce And

582
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:46.599
he can't even spell Torrance correctly.
That's a huge sign that it's not his

583
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:52.599
name. He doesn't even know how
to write it nicely. And this turns

584
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.360
out to be the actual address,
which looks like a major building. If

585
00:48:55.400 --> 00:49:00.320
you look at the size of this
particular building again, it looks like something

586
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:07.880
that is a multiple occupancy residence for
sure. So what's that? What's that

587
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:14.159
knowing looks like a host Yeah,
it's but it's right smack up and residential.

588
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:19.079
So we're gonna have to end it
here because we're at our last minute

589
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.960
at this point. But we're gonna
start seeing the I forty five murders pick

590
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:27.360
up. We will talk about the
Monticello connection and the twenty one victims shot.

591
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.639
April's April in the Woods Dye is
the beginning of DC Freeway Phantom,

592
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:35.639
and we're gonna show how all of
this stuff links together. You will be

593
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:39.400
shocked about the I forty five.
Jack didn't kill really any of them,

594
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:45.320
but he had the information. Absolutely
sad, but abill he does say he

595
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:47.880
wasn't the only one. He says
there were other people. But let's let

596
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:52.840
everybody go. I hope everybody has
a wonderful weekend and we will be back

597
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:57.719
next Friday for you to continue with
this saga and climb into the newest letters

598
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:02.320
that Harriet has solvede Thank you guys, thank you Nolan, thank you Eric,

599
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:06.159
thank you. Bye, Briyeh