Dennis Kaufman’s Radian Theory

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True Seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Road, Jack Finding the Zodiac.
I certainly hope everybody had a wonderful Thanksgiving

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and that you are tuning in for
us this Friday, since most people will

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have the following day off. I
want to welcome back to the show today,

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Terry Batcher and Harriet. I get
yay hello like a kid every now

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and again, every time I step
into my fourteen year old life and body

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and likely too right, I got
up feeling that was going to come back

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around at some point. So today
I'm really kind of just starting off with

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some follow up to some comments that
were once again made. I want to

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go ahead and pop up the presentation
so you guys can see I literally,

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like I said, just got done
reorganizing and outfitting my office with new filing

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cabinets and things that could hold and
contain all of the miscellaneous file that I

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had around the office. So I
have put up here, you guys,

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just kind of a glimpse of what
it looks like in my office. That

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has to do with the Zodiac case. And that comes about because, right,

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that comes about because I received another
one of those infamous emails from Moonlight

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who wanted to chastise me to spend
more time on victims, researching victims and

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how the victims fit in which I
had already explained to her. I'm not

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doing the research on the victims or
the victimology or these other things. Everybody

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has their own research avenues that they
take in this case. Like Harriet,

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you are the decoder, you're the
code person, you're the message person.

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All your research barrels around that,
not necessarily the victims. You're coming up

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with names you don't even know,
or a part of this until you figure

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out who these people are. After
you discover what the name is, right,

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then I stop what I'm doing and
get online and scour to see if

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this name is actually valid to Jack's
world, you know, right, or

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today to the cases at hand.
And then Terry, you you have been

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knee deep, and I want to
say deeper than anybody in the John Dene

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Ramsey case that seemed to have been
your forte correct. Right, So you're

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you're studying the note itself, the
structure of the note correct, and that

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has that has led you into deep
research about the victimology, about different things

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about the way the autopsy reports are, about the parents, the play,

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the everything that is going on surrounding
that case. And that keeps you pretty

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busy, right, well, it
does when I get an appetite part because

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it's after a while, it's you
know, it's a dot tashi. Sometimes

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I do best if I just lay
off it for a while and come back

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at it. How many files do
you think that you have in regards to

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that case? Just a guesstimate.
Oh boy, I don't not like,

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not anywhere here the ones you do
not on paper anyway. I started some

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of that stuff, any of this
stuff I started printing, and it might

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I ran out of ink and my
printers right way, like, oh,

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let's go well for ink, you
I'll go to get you stop printed.

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And yeah, a lot I mean, but the discoveries have come in in

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thousands probably right, Yeah, well, the discoveries are the main thing is

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kind of figure out what does he
mean by all this craziness. I mean,

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it's it's just way do we get
to the Ramsey litter? Yeah?

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Oh my god? How many files? But you know how many files do

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you think you have? Harriet?
Just throw a number out there, because

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we know it's going to be way
beyond. But it's I think I'm going

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to just say over five hundred that's
the solves I've done. So that's then

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times that by each page that could
be we're talking about even on thousands,

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about thousands of yeah, thousands.
So also, she said that I need

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to entertain the crowd. I don't
know how you guys feel about that,

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but I person enough. Hey,
you know what, I laugh, people

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laugh, that's entertainment. Whatever is
the shows isn't entertaining enough. My point,

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My point is is that I I
didn't pay to do this for entertainment.

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I'm not here to make people laugh, or to make people cry,

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or to touch people's heart streams.
I'm literally here just to deliver the information

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on Jack Terrence the handwriting match,
and to show how he is the best

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suspect for these cases. So I'm
not here to entertain people. I want

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you to take away from this what
I have to tell you about Jack and

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what I have to tell you about
these letters and the handwriting. So I

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threw out a big WTF on that
one. As far as spend more time

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on victims, I'm not here for
that. That's what you do, Moonlight,

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not me. She also says that, yeah, everybody does that well.

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And if these people weren't jack Wagons, and they weren't trolls, and

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they weren't bashing you and calling you
names and saying rude things, we would

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all collectively work together. The Zodiac
case kind of reminds me of getting the

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bad people out of politics. We
cannot get enough people on the same page

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to make this happen because everybody has
their opinions or their perspectives or their beliefs.

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The bottom line is, we know
they're not good for us. We

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need to get them out. How
do we all come together to make that

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happen? And she has not shown
the wherewithal to do that well. Switchers

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too. If you invite one troll
in invite, however, many hats he

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carries or she carries. You know
it's you know, oh yeah, by

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hat switcher, I mean you think
you're dog and Whipperson. They're ready to

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gang up with another fake person and
then another fake person another fake when they

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do it. She wants to get
a good lamp. She needs to look

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at. Okay, I got to
say about the blogs that I got.

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There's one of the blogs has the
decode of the nineteen seventy eight letter,

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the Channel nine letter and the get
Carter letters and Jack Well, I mean

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when I'm getting it really quickly.
That's the one time I really got some

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his like laughs out of that,
because he really does not like Jimmy Carter.

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Well, either way, this is
not about entertainment by any means.

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This is not a show. Go
see those guys. I couldn't believe how

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much he hates Jimmy Carter and how
he say Anyways, Okay, I'm just

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saying I'm not here for entertainment,
and her suggestion that I should be is

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completely a waste of my time.
I'm not doing this to entertain people.

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I don't even rewatch my own shows
because I am not privy to wanting to

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watch myself speak or talk or see
how things are. I'm not looking to

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do that, she followed. She
followed, I just wanted to interject it.

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It does. I think it does
pay though, to keep it interesting

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if you possibly can from time to
time so it doesn't get dry. But

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I don't. For you and me
and everybody else that's here, it's always

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interesting to us, but we have
to entertain people that are, like,

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you know, have short tensions,
fans or whatever. Interesting. If she

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had said keep it interesting, I
would have called her on that, because

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that we do at a minimum.
But saying I need to entertain the crowd

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I think was completely offbeat. She
also says she also so so in one

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email, she's telling me about Poe
and the Edgar Allen Poe thing and saying

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that this is where Harriet is coming
up with post stuff, which sounds like

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she's doing something in order to assist
in this. But then she turns around

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and follows it with an email that
does something like this, where she's telling

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me that I need to do some
more research. You guys, I have

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over twelve thousand digital files. I
have eighteen plus binders three to five inches

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thick in these filing cabinets right here, plus another twenty file folders that are

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hanging of information. And I have
read all of this, So how dare

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anybody make some statement as if I've
not done my research just because I'm not

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on the same path. Y're putting
together the same things they are. If

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she wants to get on this show, she said, to put her on

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this show for twenty minutes and it
will be the best twenty minutes my listeners

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have ever heard. Wow, the
audacity of somebody to say that they are

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more interesting than what we're going to
be showing America today. Who is this

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person? I wouldn't at all somebody
inste Yeah, yeah, I stopped tripping

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on the person. But I just
thought that it was probably probative. If

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they're out there writing, if they're
writing these emails, it's terrible. If

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they are putting that out into an
email to me, it is likely that

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they are putting that out in blogs
into other people. So I just thought

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I was going to wrap that up
and show everybody that I am. I'm

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done my research. I have done
what I needed to do to put Jack

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together with this case, and that's
all I'm trying to do. Everybody else

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brings their own little caveat to this. Harriet with her saws, Terry with

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your in depth research on the Dominey
Ramsey case which will be coming up.

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But we all have our park exactly
right, Yeah, thousands. So for

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somebody to say I need to buckle
down and do my research, I about

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fell over and laughed, like I'm
trying to get rid of the stuff out

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of my office, which is why
I'm delivering this information so I can eventually

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pack that up and use all that
space for me and my life and my

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future. Not the prist I sympathize. I get it. Well, today

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we're going to be talking about the
Radian theory that was taken or Dennis had

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taken and spun off of Garth Penn's
research and his with circa nineteen eighty one

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to eighty two. This landed Garth
Penn on one of the suspect lists for

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both Tom Voyd and many other people
who tend to believe that just because Garth

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figured out the Radian theory, that
he must have been the Zodiac. But

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they just really they lacked all the
evidence and anything they need in order to

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persist with that person hill him back. I remember yes they did, Yes,

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they did. So. At the
end of the little list letter,

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Zodiac wrote radian and a number of
inches along the radians, and so that's

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what kicked into play the Radian theory. Now, in Harriet Saul, you

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talk about the my dark room on
two eighty one oh one northeast San Jose

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on the sixty six map Discover America
arrow points west I bomb in on Mount

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Diablo, and US string arrows two
inches along the radiant going up the mountain,

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X marks the spot at thirty six
ninety feet. This was extremely interesting

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to me because while Dennis could not
have known about you coming up with these

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saws at a liver date that described
this dark room. Dennis spoke heavily in

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regards to the dark room, but
I thought that it only applied to the

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fact that he had reproduced pictures of
Black Dahlia on one ten film that had

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not been developed, so that if
somebody was to come and search his house,

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they'd find the one ten film and
not associate that in any way,

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shape or form to Blackdahlia because one
ten film did not exist at the time

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Black Dahlia was murdered. I thought
that was an extremely interesting point that you

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had pulled out from it. Now, the diagram over here to the right

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is actually Dennis placing the clock above
and over the top of the Mount Diablo

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site. And then of course those
working their ways off into the directions of

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where they would float to, and
one of them obviously runs right down into

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the riverside, all the way down
into Riverside, so that radian line is

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still holding true to the Sherry Joe
Bates' murder. This is Dennis's again radian

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theory. So he says, Denny
must have liked it in Vietnam because he

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chose to go back into a second
term. It was obvious it did not

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bother Jack's son to kill, and
he may have even enjoyed it. Jack

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watched his dad shoot a man over
a beer bottle. His dad only got

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a four year suspended sentence. He
didn't spend even one day in jail.

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One part of the Zodiac case that
I was about to get into was the

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geographical aspect. I wanted to see
if Jack somehow fit into this part of

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the case. In nineteen eighty a
man by the name of Garth Penn discovered

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something that I feel is a very
significant clue and one of the letters Zodiac

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referred to radians and inches along the
radians. Garth Penn discovered that making a

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line from the top of Mount Diablo
to the murder side of paul Stein in

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San Francisco, and another line from
the two murder sites near Valeo and connect

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them to the top of Mount Diablo, you get a perfect radiant angle.

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A radiant angle is fifty seven point
three degrees. When Garth Penn described the

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way he felt after he made this
discovery, he said, it felt like

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a ton of bricks fell on him. After the discovery of just one radian,

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it seemed to me that there was
a lot more to be discovered surrounding

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Penn's theory, and there was.
Indeed, the Zodiac mentioned radians as in

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more than one as well as inches
along them. The murder side of Paulstein

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in San Francisco and the Valeo murders, when connected to the top of Mount

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Diablo, make a radiant angle.
The other known Zodiac attacks happened at Lake

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Barriesa. When you connect that location
to the top of Mount Diablo, you

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get an oddball angle of about sixteen
point two degrees. Now, everybody,

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if you understand radiance, which I
clearly don't do you guys, Yes,

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the line, I'm again it's standing
way up pass inches, but you know

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he's he did make that discovery that
Wow, this goes all the way over

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here to where Paul Stein is uh. And then the other line, I

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mean, I mean more like in
the whole mathematical theory of radians. Like,

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what it's tied to is the whole
celestial navigation business. That's what I

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was gonna say, right, and
it relies on perfect timing to be accurate

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to where you're going to go,
and that's what everything. So when he

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said what was it, Jack said
cryptically to Dennis, what time is it?

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I mean he's accentuating, you know, he's pointing to the word time.

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So when you see the hands of
clock that was on that last page,

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that's gonna You were a navigator in
World War two, for example,

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or every four, you would need
to know exactly the time to know where

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you're at. And they did.
And that brings us, That brings us

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back to watch and you, and
that also brings back the nineteen sixty six

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pay Teck. Yes, please hold
on, guys, nineteen sixty six pay

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Tech Felipe Swiss photo electric atomic clock
that you believe Jack was in possession of

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or could have been inside one of
his Ham radio machines. Correct, Yes,

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I know he had one because Dennis
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Dennis would talk about a lot.
Jack driving everybody crazy with that damn atomic

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clock. That's what he kept on
saying, Man, yeah, he had

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one. So here in this middle
point is Mount Diablo, and Dennis has

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then drawn those lines off to show
that A is the murder of Paul Stein

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connected to Mount Diablo. B is
the murder sites near Valeo connected to Mount

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Diablo, and see the Lake Barriessa
attack connected to Mount Diablo. That makes

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so in the radian world, you're
going to have what is at five radians

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at fifty seven point three degrees with
one final radian at the sixteen point.

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But he say sixteen point two to
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Okay, so we do definitely have
that following on the radians. Now,

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he goes on to say the Zodiac
left a clue in a pretty significant

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one. He killed at two locations
that form an angle of fifty seven point

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three degrees when connected to the Mount
Diablo. He also committed another crime at

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a specific location that, when connected
to Mount Diablo, made an angle of

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sixteen point two degrees. He then
wrote to a San Francisco newspaper and said

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that he would no longer announce whom
he killed. They would just appear to

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be routine robbery, suicides, etc. The word Zodiac in Greek simply means

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circle. It would later become associated
with astrology. Zodiac wanted someone to discover

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his efforts in his geographical calculations.
Garth Penn was on the right track in

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his findings, but there was a
lot more waiting to be uncovered. Zodiac

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sent a map of the Bay Area
to police in nineteen seventy. On this

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map, Zodiac marked assemble over Mount
Diablo. The cross with the circle was

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centered on Mount Diablo, and on
the circle he placed a three six nine

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and he wrote in for north.
But he failed to put the zero down,

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which is something you found in your
solve to be useful. Yeah,

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it's it's the thirty eight hundred feet
further just a fraction of an inch up.

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Further up is the is the Mount
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mountain, but he's got the X
right in the middle. That's at thirty

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six ninety feet right. Davis kind
of video somewhere of him being I think

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at at or near that place.
We'll have to look for that. But

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anyways, yeah, okay, so
he says, which had the Yeah,

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Well, the little thing you're dealing
with a circle, and that's you're not

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gonna have perfect math. There's going
to be a little bit of an approximation

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involved, just like the formula for
pie for the radius of a circle at

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the three point variance blah blah,
is never perfectly exact different point because isn't

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going to be even either of what
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in the place of the twelve,
which again I don't see that. I

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see the zero in the place of
the twelve point, he says, assuming

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he was portraying a clockface. I
found out later, after working with several

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law enforcement agencies, that there had
been watches found at several different crime scenes

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that were possibly the work of the
Zodiac. The watches that were found had

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been purposely stopped at a specific time
for reasons unknown. This information concerning the

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watches was never made public. The
only time this information was made public was

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during the news coverage of young Riverside
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Her name was Sherry Bates. This
is where go ahead. One quick

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thing. Okay, So the old
fashion minutes and seconds description of a location

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on GPS or however you want to
look at it for navigating, the old

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fashioned method was by minutes and seconds, so they did their timing checks by

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minutes and seconds and micro seconds if
you want to get real accurate. But

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later on the military switched to a
decimal method instead, so the solved like

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I got out of the Ramsey note, that's a decimal form, and that's

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a military expression, So it's instead
of being in minutes and seconds, that

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comes out as a decimal form,
with the definition being greater with the greater

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number of digits to the right and
half. Just one little thing. Do

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I keep it interesting? I could
jump up and down now I know that

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in the past, Harriet and I
followed the lines of latitude and longitude as

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it relates to the numbers that were
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So we had some in depth research
and took a look at those numbers.

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I don't know if we'll visit again, it seemed. Does that seem

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to be something very pertinent to this
particular presentation, Harriet, as it applies

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to where Jack is. Is that
something you think we should cover? Yeah?

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I think so. Yeah, any
avenues you know, because this is

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just yeah, Okay, my computer
is saying that my battery might be dying

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in about ten minutes. But so
I'll just when I go, I'll call

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in, Okay, okay, all
right. So basically, the diagram below

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shows two places of residence and a
camping spot of Jacks between nineteen sixty and

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nineteen seventy. These locations are lined
up with known crime scenes of the Zodiac.

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I had to consider the chances of
this just being a coincidence, and

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the chances are remote. If Jack's
places of residence made a radiant angle that

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was not lined up with known crime
scenes, then I could see the possibility

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of just being a coincidence. The
fact that they are lined up is beyond

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circumstantial. I have goose bumps right
now. Yes, so we have Jack

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and Nayak in nineteen sixty eight sixty
nine. We have him down in the

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San Jose area during sixty nine seventy
through seventy two with his dark room.

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We also have him off into Tikeito
Creek, which is one of his favorite

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camping locations, and they all fall
on Arabian m hmm. This is more

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of an in depth look on a
color map that Dennis had actually put together.

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So A is the murder of Paul
Stein right here. B is the

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Lake Herman murders, and the Valeo
murders. C is the Lake Barriessa murders.

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D is where Jack lived in nayak
E is his favorite campground in the

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late sixties. F actually goes down
to the Riverside murder of Sherry Joe Bates,

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and G is Sunny Vale where Jack
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That dark room, that dark room, and there's that perfect with the

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perfect radiance, everything lining up.
So once again, when I when I

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give you the information of who Jack
is, the training that he has,

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his capabilities of doing all of these
things. Now to find that his life

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actually lines up on these radians,
or that it's more than circumstantial, it's

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more than a coincidence. Right,
I'm just wondering, could all these people

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be under that mk ultra spell of
that stuff and they're all gonna like pre

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preposition and years in advance, and
they're well, yeah, I mean it

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is possible. I mean, as
weird as it sounds, I'm wondering,

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you know, were they all under
this weird influence where these times to take

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place and things that happen. Wow, Well, I think that the I

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think that the remote viewing and the
things that were being done by hypnosis and

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through the MK Ultra program at the
time definitely included locationing, which included latitude

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and longitude for the areas that they
were either viewing or where they would go

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to to complete whatever murder or otherwise
that they needed to do. So to

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continue on with Dennis Kaufman's thee it
says the most bizarre part of this case

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of the case is the geographical pattern. Looking at the following page, you

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will notice several dots along the radiance. Each dot is the location of known

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and unknown Zodiac victims. Several of
the dots are locations of victims that Gray

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Smith lists in the back of his
book. So, you guys, this

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is where Dennis did. Dennis found
where these individuals were murdered and killed.

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He marked these points on the map, and you can see how all these

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unsolved murders, all the way along
the inches of the radian lines is indicating

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more murders. Right, But he
says me, bear of mind. Something

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to bear in mind. A point
is that somewhere along that radian line is

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going to be another set of court, is going to be a set of

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coordinates that defines where that body is
located. So you've got to have some

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way of doing that. Perhaps,
Oh, your sound is horrible. You're

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gonna need earphones too. We found
out that the reason why we're getting so

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much feedback on us is that two
of you are not using headphones. If

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you guys use headphones, we'll stop
getting that feedback from the sound. But

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good morning, Nolan. All right, so we're talking about here too.

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I'll finish my point real quick quite
as to say that perhaps these watches that

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have been left with the bodies are
a signal to look at another location based

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on timing, based on hours,
minutes, seconds, you know. Or

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an alternate theory to that is that
they could have been stopped at a particular

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time, planted at the next crime
scene as an indicator to win the last

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suspect. He stole that watch from
dying. So there's a couple theories there

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that that could literally be true.
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so it says several of the dots
are locations of victims that Gray Smith lists

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in the back of his book,
and others are the locations of unsolved murders

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that I had found throughout California.
To give you an example of how accurate

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this pattern is, I will list
the location of the Sonoma County victims so

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you can look them up on a
map. Sonoma County appears to have the

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most victims, So Maureen el Sterling
and A Yvonne Weber was found twelve twenty

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eight seventy two on Franz Valley Road. You can look those up on the

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map and find that they hit the
radiant. Kim Wendy Allen was found on

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three five, seventy two on Enterprise
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Lorid Lee Cursa was found on twelve, fourteen seventy two at approximately three

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forty pm on Calistoga Road. Teresha
Walls was found on twelve twenty eight seventy

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three in approximately two ten pm in
mark West Creek. Theresa Matthew's body was

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found along the Russian River in northern
Sonoma County. Other victims were all found

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in the same locations as the above. Zodiac must have felt comfortable on those

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lightly traveled roads that run through Sonoma
County. The Zodiac ended one of his

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letters mentioning radians and inches along the
radians. That is exactly what the diagram

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is on the following page. The
diagram below has seven lines extending outward from

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the peak of Mount Diablou. Along
those lines are dots that mark crime scenes

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related to Zodiac. The first murders
were very time consuming for the Zodiac because

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he had to find a victim at
a specific location. Once he established his

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single radian and his sixteen point two
degree angle, he would then just find

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victims at random and place their bodies
along these radians. Ding ding ding ding

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ding. Well, I got to
tell you something. I've done all of

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the Sonoma Okay, now it's my
anyways, I've done Sterling, Weaber,

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Alan, Lori, Lee Cursa,
and there's no Teresa Walsh, by the

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way, is actually anyways. There's
going to be a lot of corrections there.

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But Jack is definitely and his crews
connected to them. But he did

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not kill those girls. So anyways, you're about to lose me. So

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I'm gonna go on the phone.
Okay, okay, all right, So

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continuing on with this, Well,
Lousia, I'm going on the phone.

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Might have more of life than you
think. That's all right, I'm continuing

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on. So basically, here's the
color version of what Dennis had put together.

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Dennis Kaufman then learned that there were
fifty one I believe unsolved murders on

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the Radian lines in inches along them. Sandy Bett's murder map contains approximately fifty

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some murders. There's some con confirming
information, and it was delivered to her

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in the nineteen eighties. It seems
I'm not too far off from the truth

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about the number of victims the Zodiac
Killer attacked and claimed to have attacked.

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The radiance to the south goes straight
through to Riverside, California, as we

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discussed before. All right, So
I brought up some of these clocks that

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are used in celestial navigation, some
information in regards to oh, I'm getting

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feedback from my own again. Your
sound is better now since hearing from my

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side. You hear me night,
Yeah, I can hear you but I

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was having feedback on my own end, and I didn't know how yet.

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All right, I'm better anyways,
so I decided to actually take the And

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when you look at the next communication
where he says, be sure to print

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the part I'm marked out on page
three, or I shall do my thing,

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he actually marks this circle now with
points of reference that is just like

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a clock, So all the way
around you can see these little points that

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he's placed where another line would either
intersect with Mount Diablo or be a possible

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line of location for people who had
passed. Now the Zodiac comes was not

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a radiant solution of fifty seven point
two, is suggested by some look at

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the arrows which point to the breakdown
of the twelve point system. Zodiac actually

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used now position at mag north roughly
sixteen point eighty five degrees during that timeframe,

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and layover Dennis's radian theory, which
becomes Mike Cole's think thirty degrees sixty

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degree theory and the theory that Kats
Eye or Harriet Soousche and I ponder with

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the Zodiac compass and radiant clock.
So you can see that again, it

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also resembles a gun sight right right, so you all point one real quick

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point now that all those if those
bodies are actually found along those lines there,

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does that kind of tell you that
there were other killers that were on

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the script to go and kill and
put the bodies in Yes, yeah,

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for one killer. Well then that's
what we've been discussing, is Zodiac as

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a group versus Zodiac as a single
and Jack Jack being the member of the

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BOB that's responsible for articular these messages
and getting them to the right place,

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and he had the power to do
so because he did kill people, and

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he was given the precedents by the
newspapers, by the police department, by

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everyone else to be taken serious.
So is he literally indicating how many people

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he has killed or the group is
killed. I know that Moonlight suggests that

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there's another person I need to check
out who's made some decodes who keep coming

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up with the names Frank, Jack
and John. Now that fits in with

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my Jack obviously, But I don't
know enough about this individual to take them

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serious. If they watch my podcast, they're welcome to contact me. I

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would love to entertain whatever it is
that they have going on. I'm just

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not going to do it through that
avenue of moonlight. So I did this

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on a color map too. So
I did, and I stretched lines out

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all the way around, in which
case there were murders or things that I

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believe Jack was responsible for. The
blue lines were actually Jack and where he

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was, and the red lines were
actual lines of murder. And some of

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these can stretch all the way across
the United States, right on into O.

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C. C K, all the
way down into Atlanta, Georgia.

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Like these lines are making sense,
Let's see found that there are more points

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to other locations that line up with
the zodiac's interpretation of the time theory.

407
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.119
The extra leg scene in my version
shows additional unsolved murders and areas Jack was

408
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:29.799
known to frequent. Look how those
areas nearly coincide with the points on the

409
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:36.039
clock. I'm getting feedback again,
No, Nolan, please lower the volume

410
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:45.720
a bit on your computer speakers.
Are you there, Nolan, Well,

411
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:53.039
Harriet's here, But I guess what
happened to I'm trying to figure out if

412
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:57.000
you put the speaker real close to
you, you know, your ear,

413
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:04.960
it'll act as the same. No, I was getting reference from Wan that

414
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:08.480
Nolan, please look volume a bit
on your computer speakers. I feel like

415
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:14.480
that echo is gone now, so
we're going to continue. So my idea

416
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.880
of putting the diagram from the Zodiac
Killer on top of Dennis Coffin's plots plotted

417
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:23.240
unsolved murders shows X mark toward the
Marin area. So that was another thing

418
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:28.240
that I wanted to point out,
is that not only are these dots and

419
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.039
spots lining up with these radian lines, but there's also one extra one here

420
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:36.319
that had not been accounted for.
And when I looked at that, that

421
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:40.400
went right through Marin and Marin we
know that we have Mount tamil Pius that

422
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.240
we've talked about as far as another
military location where unsolved murders had occurred.

423
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:50.920
We have the dear draft board letters
that came out of Marin County itself.

424
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.000
So we have another line up there
that is going that has not been explored.

425
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:58.200
So I'm thinking there's more to it
than just a radian. The radian

426
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.359
got us started, but you can
expound upon that by using the twelve point

427
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:07.519
system of the watch. Mm hmm. You can travel there if you're flying

428
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:13.840
along the radio lined you know,
mm hmm. And that brings us to

429
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:22.480
the what's that my reception of your
audio really improved a lot when Harriet was

430
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.960
off, and when she came back
on, all this distortion came back.

431
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.559
She's on the phone. Now,
she's on the phone. Now, she's

432
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:36.000
not on the computer, so she
can't be having an effect on our audio.

433
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:40.679
Maybe something in the studio, I
think again, because she's the minute

434
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:45.679
it appeared on the top of the
screen that she was back on audio.

435
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.679
Only then the distortion didn't start it
again. I don't know if that's a

436
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:53.280
coincidence or not, but that's I
had distortion. Yeah, I've had distortion

437
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:57.360
since you climbed on. We didn't
have any in the last episode, and

438
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:01.000
we didn't have any until you climbed
on. So he's all, get out,

439
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:06.880
No, no, no, it's
fine. Feed when you don't have

440
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:08.519
the earbuds is what it is.
It's a form of right. So this

441
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:14.840
is why. Oh he's not listening
and he climbed off. Anyways. On

442
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:20.039
July twenty eighth, nineteen seventy,
the Zodiac sent in two additional pages to

443
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:23.480
the Mikado, the three eighty four
and three eighty five pages. I want

444
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:27.559
to compare that to the button letter, or even to the little list letter.

445
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:32.039
To see how close that information is, because again this has the poem.

446
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.280
The Mikado was played for the US
troops in Tokyo, Japan in nineteen

447
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.159
forty five, and Jack was in
Japan in nineteen forty five on his first

448
00:35:40.159 --> 00:35:45.800
tour in the Nate FBI. Foya
states that this is a portion of a

449
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:51.559
sung song sung by Coco the Lord
High Executioner in Act one of the Mikado,

450
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:57.639
and a portion sung by the Mikado
in Act two. So that basically

451
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:00.719
is all that I really have to
share today. So let's go back and

452
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:07.360
talk about these radians and what everybody
has to say about them. Huh,

453
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:10.880
all right, Harriet, I know
that you had missed out on part of

454
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.880
that, but no, no,
I was listening. I could able to

455
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:21.159
hear it. But the Radians,
I mean, it's just it's showing okay

456
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:25.679
in the long run for me,
because I've done all the text all the

457
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:31.039
Santa Rosa murders, and I've done
all the Doodler cases, which were originally

458
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:38.000
Jack Clarenes or Zodiac cases. Anyways, there's a connection to Jack and his

459
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:44.280
crew. But it's why they're going
after these people who killed these people.

460
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:50.119
It's a lot more than just as, but he's definitely connected to it.

461
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:53.280
And for some reason, you know, maybe they're all under this MK ultra

462
00:36:53.480 --> 00:37:00.800
spell. All the real killers who
killed Glory Lee, cursa Marine, and

463
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.480
you know, the Sterling and Weber. I can go on and on,

464
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:08.800
but you know it's hitting along all
those radio lines. It's uh, you

465
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:17.199
know, it's it's it's just absolutely
disturbing what this MK ultra world evolved into.

466
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.519
Well and would that would that kind
of bring you back to something like

467
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:27.920
Suspect zero where he's remote viewing these
killers and then finding these killers and killing

468
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:34.320
them. Uh, it's I guess, in any in anything that's MK ultra

469
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:38.559
related as possible, because if I
understand correctly, and I think no one

470
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:45.360
he knew he understood something about the
LSD effects. If you were to be

471
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:52.320
taking a particular type of somebody's designed
LSD and then you're all being talked to

472
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:58.079
at the same time period while you're
all tripping, you're becoming that person,

473
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.480
the one who designed it, if
I understand correctly, a part of their

474
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:07.599
soul. So let's let's backtrack.
I'm believing at this point that Jack was

475
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:13.880
there when Frank Olsen went out the
window. But let's just say that they

476
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:21.000
were both given that Mickey Finn of
that LSD the CIA's Ultra strength version.

477
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.119
Jack may not have had to have
been there when Frank is going out the

478
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:28.800
window because they were all sharing,
in a weird way, the part of

479
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:35.840
that same evil soul. So it
would be I think considered remote viewing because

480
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.559
there are people that have flashbacks,
you know, from years later, of

481
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:45.000
whatever happened during that LSD trip for
those hours, so Jack, that's what

482
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.840
thing Jack is doing in nineteen seventy
four. So yeah, that would be

483
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:53.679
I think considered a version of remote
viewing, which is what the which thing

484
00:38:53.800 --> 00:39:00.239
was I was talking about on the
other episode, what's the quitch service?

485
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:06.679
Remote is a remote viewing service of
a live stream of a person that's waiting

486
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.280
for their food or whatever and somebody
else wants to do spot betting on them

487
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:15.840
and take a bet on who's going
to die first and all that they're they're

488
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:17.880
going to have all the people that
have signed up to bet on when this

489
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:24.199
person who dies first and when and
things like that so they can Plus they

490
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:32.559
can then extort the people that were
involved in that racket twitch. I mean

491
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:36.960
the word twitch is the key thing
here because that was the name of the

492
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.559
service, which but what happens when
you die? You twitch your last you

493
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:44.119
know, you're it's a it's a
it's a hint towards a murder, I

494
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.679
think, right, That's why I
brought it up, and that's why I

495
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:53.360
keep coming back to it. But
it is I know that Harriet was just

496
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:59.280
briefly talking about the sharing of the
minds or sharing of these evil ways for

497
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:05.599
those that have on the LSD and
Nolan had hopped off. But can you

498
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:08.360
repeat that real quick, Harriet,
so that Nolan can chime in on that.

499
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:15.239
If I understand correctly, because I'm
from San Francisco, I knew people

500
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:20.760
who did LSD. But let's just
if I understand correctly, if the somebody

501
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:25.440
designed a particular strength of LSD and
they're all given it the same time period,

502
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:30.280
the same hours, the same you
know, day work, and then

503
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:37.000
there they're talk to or like program
so to speak, that they gave a

504
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:42.159
part of that other person's soul or
mind. It's that's why I became a

505
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:47.280
mind control drug. And then if
they're off of its, then you know

506
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.280
what I was getting at was Jack
keeps on seeing Frank Olsen going out the

507
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:58.000
window. But in theory would if
they were both like Jack says, he

508
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:05.039
was also Mickey finned with this same
elicity that they gave Frank. So he

509
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:08.360
might not have been there, but
I'm believing he was there, But it

510
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:14.199
would when that event is happening,
he's he's he's going out. I mean,

511
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.519
he's seeing it, but in a
remote viewing way. That's the theories

512
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.079
possible. That's what I'm going as
absolutely, And there's triggers too, they

513
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.519
can be triggered to a certain event. You've seen the movie. It's an

514
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:30.679
old movie, Frank Sinatra movie from
the sixties called The Manchurian Candidate. I

515
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.159
bet no one, Oh my god, I've seen it. Yes, And

516
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:37.079
that's you know, that's kind of
what we're getting at here, is that's

517
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.440
what those the people were, my
ones that were controlled assassins. That's how

518
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:44.400
that operated, what you're talking about. And it's a real deal. It's

519
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:49.719
it's a real deal. Yeah,
real thing. That was brainwashing in the

520
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:54.599
movie. It wasn't in combination with
drugs, but it was intense brainwashing bike

521
00:41:54.760 --> 00:42:00.119
right. I don't know if it
was Chinese it was, but they basically

522
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:08.840
programmed the Laurence Harvey character to become
an assassin back to the States, and

523
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:16.079
the Queen of Hearts would be the
card that would trigger his actions. And

524
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:22.039
so someone would say, why don't
you play a little solitaire, and then

525
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:27.559
he'd do a psalter and Queen of
Hearts would come up and he'd go assassinate

526
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.840
someone. Wow, it's not a
movie you'll forget when you watch it.

527
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.760
You'll watch it more than once and
you will never forget that movie. It's

528
00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:38.400
it's a stunner. It's an I
borrow and I own it. Well,

529
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:42.079
I would like to then, because
I don't know if I've seen the whole

530
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:45.719
thing, at least not since I've
been doing this particular case, which might

531
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:50.000
help to kind of allude to some
of these other things like remote viewing and

532
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:52.800
so forth that we're talking about.
But we definitely know that there is always

533
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:57.519
some type of trigger for a hypnotic
state, whether it be a word,

534
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.840
a music, a frequency, a
signal, or a sign like a card

535
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:05.920
of the Queen of Hearts. We
know that something pops them in, and

536
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.719
then there's also got to be something
that pops them out. Right. There's

537
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:15.440
a really good book called The Search
for the Man Curian Candidate by a man

538
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:19.599
named John Marks, and that's that
book is referenced quite a bit in the

539
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:24.880
in the Biography of Frank Olsen and
and the Big Frank Olsen basically is also

540
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:30.880
the history of Alex the experiments and
other drug experiments. Uh, and my

541
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:35.199
control and behavior control through m k
Ultra Artic, Joe Bluebird and all the

542
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.920
rest of them, people from using
some kind of a cocktail on them,

543
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:44.599
on their you know, their operatives
or you know and something. Yeah,

544
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.960
well that's a lot of people,
a lot of people think that, uh,

545
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:53.360
Sir hanster Hand was given a laced
cocktail on the night of the assassination

546
00:43:53.599 --> 00:44:00.599
of k He was seen drinking what
were you thought they were? Think not

547
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:06.639
tonics though, Tom Collins, that
was the drink he was drinking. And

548
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.760
and he went to a particular bartender. And there's a theory that bartender was

549
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:23.760
part of the conspiracy stuff in his
drinks. Linda pas is very strong on

550
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:32.800
that line of thinking. But very
yeah, very interesting spinoffs things. There's

551
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:37.079
that theme again, you know,
right, So yeah, there's a there's

552
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:40.039
stuff. I mean, there's so
many I don't want to say they're rabbit

553
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:45.679
holes. But there's so many tangents
to this whole story that it's almost difficult

554
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:47.199
to organize it, isn't it that? I mean, you have to kind

555
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:51.440
of plow it is it is,
And that's why you've got to kind of

556
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:55.519
stick to your strict path of your
research and what it is that you're doing

557
00:44:55.800 --> 00:45:00.079
if you're going to be good at
any part of it. I can't be

558
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:06.320
good at all parts of this.
I cannot cover victimology. It's far too

559
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:09.199
much. And I don't know if
Nolan, if you were here for this,

560
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:13.519
but I just redid my office.
I got new filing cabinets over the

561
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.760
weekend and completely reorganized everything that I
had in my office. And what you're

562
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:23.440
seeing right there on the screen is
more than twelve thousand digital files, eighteen

563
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:28.639
plus three to five inch binders,
twenty plus hanging file folders, and pages

564
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:32.039
of notes that I've taken throughout my
research in this case that most people aren't

565
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:36.039
really aware of. They think that
I'm just kind of half asking it,

566
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.679
or that I'm not doing the research. I can only research in one way,

567
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:44.000
and my research is Jack that's it. I'm not here to elaborate on

568
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:47.880
the victimology on who their parents were. How it connects. I can only

569
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.920
say a proximity, Jack is the
person you'd be looking at. Jack is

570
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.920
who my suspect is and who I've
made the handwriting match on. But this

571
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.079
gives people kind of an idea of
exactly how much much work I've done since

572
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:07.719
two thousand and nine. On this
case, there's three of us augment what

573
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:09.320
you're doing, then that all the
time. So we're trying to do We're

574
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:13.559
not trying to go on a tangent. But unfortunately the damn case has so

575
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:17.159
many tangents to it that somebody throws
something in an idea, we kick it

576
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:22.039
around and that puts us behind on
your on your you know your route that

577
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:28.559
you're taking. But you know what
I'm saying, you know, yeah,

578
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:35.519
right right? If I could,
if I could mark these with inches along

579
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:38.079
the radiance, I bet you I'd
cover as much mileage as that Mount Diablo

580
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:49.000
Matt does by Why does you're going? In terms of overviews? It's an

581
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:52.039
important thing in terms of overview,
isn't it? All? This stuff is

582
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.000
important? But got it so much
digest? You got to figure out what

583
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:58.079
to say next? What do we
go at next you know what, But

584
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:00.039
I think you're doing a good job
working all of it. Andnette, I

585
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:05.079
wouldn't sweat anything. I wouldn't sweat
any troll people at all. I would

586
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.840
just you know, i'd turn them
out, say your piece and turn them

587
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.280
out, you know I have.
But every now and again she does come

588
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.480
up with some good statement, like
the reference to the po and Edgar Allan

589
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:21.400
Poe. She she obviously has other
research she's done. Why she's not put

590
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.679
hers together and why she isn't doing
something to formulate her opinion so that she

591
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:29.360
can get her words out there somewhere
in the middle. We're all going to

592
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.199
have a little bit of information that's
off, but we're going to have information

593
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:37.039
that's good. And what I'm looking
for is that good information within the actual

594
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:43.400
research that people are doing that helps
to actually bind these puzzle pieces together.

595
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:49.639
Right right, I didn't a good
job what he did for his capacity and

596
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:54.000
what he was working with I think
exactly. I think you said the keyword

597
00:47:54.000 --> 00:48:00.760
there for his capacity. You remember
the stepson of the Zodiac and a person

598
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:06.360
who was used to using drugs taught
Dennis how to make drugs. Dennis,

599
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:08.840
like I said, did not lead
the cleanest, cleanest path in life.

600
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:13.360
But he was able to put some
of this stuff together as it related to

601
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.719
Jack only because Jack fit. If
Jack didn't fit, we wouldn't be sitting

602
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:22.360
here where we are today. Well
that's about we've got about one minute left.

603
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.719
Is there anything each, Terry?
Is there anything you'd like to add?

604
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.360
Well? I know that we covered
mostly the radians here, but those

605
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.880
who are following the shows. I
just wanted to be really quick. Where

606
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:40.079
Jack is talking about that particular stamp
that they're looking for. I know people

607
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:45.920
have some, they're selling them five
thousand, I met. I meant something

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really quick, and I had actually
asked Terry. So I think we got

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a little confused here. I said
I had a minute left. I'm looking

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for a sign off when I say
this to you guys, like if you

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have something last minute to say,
hello, goodbye, whatever, It is

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not really like an another line of
re Sorry, but that's okay, go

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ahead. Is there any anything left
for you, Nolan? I'm good.

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I came in late, so I'm
just catching up. And then the technical

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problem I'm gonna mess me up.
We'll get it figured out. I'll talk

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to you. Thank you, guys, Thank you guys for being with us.

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I hope everybody enjoyed. Come come
on, come on, come on

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you guys. I'm trying to sign
off. Okay, everybody else the whole

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weekend. We will see you all
next week. Take care,