DC Freeway Phantom, I-45 Killer, and Intro to DB Cooper

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True Seekers and True crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. We have
a lot of great things to share with

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you today, and we're going to
actually step into some of the DC Freeway

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phantom items and where Jack is.
I want to first welcome Nolan del Kampa

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to the show. Good morning,
Tonette, and then also Terry Batcher and

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good afternoon. Was good morning,
It's already been one of those days.

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How are you guys, as week's
going very good, busy to say the

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least. I'm going to actually threw
up the PowerPoint presentation. I had some

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interesting information I wanted to show this
week. As everyone knows, I am

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taking graphology courses learning about personality and
behavioral trading through handwriting. I made it

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through the tenth lesson out of twenty, which gave me my second mini certificate,

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and the first lesson in the second
half of the series happens to be

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on signatures, and lo and behold, just about everybody we were talking about

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in regards to signatures is actually in
this particular lesson. So I thought it

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was extremely interesting to bring this up
because as we go through these cases and

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we look at Jack's signature, it
changes from J. W. Terrence to

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Jack W. Terrence, to Jack
Walker Terrence, to John W. Terrence,

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to John Walker Terrence to John Barnett
or Jack Barnett like he uses so

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many variations of names to me,
and what I've learned so far states that

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he doesn't even have an identity,
and he is various, many different people

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with each of these personas. One
of the things that they were talking about,

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and here is the way a person
actually writes their name when they sign

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it. And if somebody does something
like we see up here at the top,

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it says Millicent, Molly, Mandy. So if they use all three

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names completely written out, it has
a behavioral psychology behind it. So it

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says people who write their name in
full often seek and enjoy high visibility,

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Martin Luther King, William Randolph Hurst, Edgar Allan Pohl, James Earl Jones.

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These individuals use words well, tend
to make a good impression on others,

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and enjoy being center stage. Ah
we got Randolph Hurst right up in

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the middle of it. Woooo.
The note says the ultimate in high visibility

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or fame is of course reflected when
only one name is used with royalty,

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instant recognition is implied. So when
somebody deliberately chooses to use only one name

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e g. Liberachi Prince, we
can assume an even greater need for recognition

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and adulation. While it's true that
performers have a public image which they have

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to maintain, there has to be
enormous ego involvement here. Even Elizabeth Taylor,

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possibly one of the best known celebrities
in the world, doesn't introduce herself

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or sign her name is Taylor?
What a concept? So you think about

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Madonna, all the big show voters
who you know? So in these particular

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samples I have to the left here. It's actually starting with Nancy Reagan's signature,

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and if you look from one signature
to the next, they absolutely nothing

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alike. Would you guys agree nothing
to like her ends or even backwards.

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I was a little astonished to see
this. It doesn't allude to what the

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timeframe is between these, like I'm
going to talk about with Nixon's signature,

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but it does say sample B.
But we could see we could say that

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about Nancy Reagan. These changes are
so remarkable that it is difficult to accept

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that they were indeed written by the
same woman. Slant, pressure, thickness,

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lower zone, length, loops,
expansion, and actual letter formations are

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all dissimilar. We really do have
a very different person here, no doubt

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about it. So that I wonder
how old Nancy was at the time that

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who's a Yelsie Reagan? I know, I know it's a very odd construction,

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and she's doing things backwards, so
it might allude yeah, well,

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yes, there's a leftward slant instead
of forward. So it's almost as if

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she's become a completely different person.
And I see that kind of stuff happening

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when there's some type of neurological disorder
in handwriting. But I don't see really

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disorder other than just seeing things written
backwards. I mean, who makes their

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end look like they're why right?
Yeah? Crazy and the other one.

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You could see the similarities. You
can see it's still their signature. With

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Nancy Reagan, it looks so different, so different. So, and they

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do say that graphology is about the
time and space in which you write,

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So during that timeframe when you write
is really kind of representative of your personality

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at that time. So I don't
know what she was going through, and

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I don't know what the time differences
are between these two signatures, but I'll

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give you kind of an idea of
what it's not going on with Richard Nixon's

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just below. So sample see Richard
Nixon's name will forever be associate with the

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Watergate scandal. Notice the threadedness of
the handwriting, and what they're talking about

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is where he draws these straight lines
out and we can even kind of see

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it here in this earlier nineteen seventy
four signature he started to go threaded,

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and then in nineteen seventy four it
is just a line. He has nothing

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of his personality, yep. So
it says notice threads. He says,

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notice the threat. What's that Pritchard
Nixon? Right? Think it was Pritchard

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Nixon or or something like that.
Yeah, well, okay, so it

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says, notice the threadedness of the
writing and think about the characteristics associated with

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it. Here we see the gradual
disintegration of a personality. In the early

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seventy four sample, notice the protective
stroke over the first name. So he

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back he backflows this from his first
last name over as a protective nature.

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You're atop his personal name, which
is Richard. So how you write your

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first name is how you feel about
yourself, and how you write your last

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name is how you feel about your
family. So he is using his family

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to cover and protect him basically at
this point, so the protective stroke over

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the first name is more and more
informative information surfaces than the final signature.

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He submits his resignation in the late
nineteen seventy four signature, and there is

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virtually nothing left. Compare this final
signature to the one above it. What

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energy left has been applied to use
to cross himself out. So basically,

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whenever somebody draws straight through their name, you're crossing yourself out. Yeah,

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very interesting. Well I always wonder
why he didn't fight it, but I

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think he said he lost his political
base, that's why he quit. Oh,

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he was a puppet. He was
put in the position. He was

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put in it, and he was
the fall guy for whatever happened right right

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right, so that he gets into
one of the four guys right that gets

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us into Mussolini's signature. And I
thought this one was even more telling.

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So before he became involved with Hitler
and all the other stuff that was going

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on, we see that he completely
spelled out his name. He had a

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great separation from his family name,
but he articulated all of the letters.

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He then became that self important person
we just talked about by giving himself just

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his last name as his signature.
So it says d the last set of

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signature belonging to Benito Mussolini, Italian
fascist dictator and ally of Hitler in World

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War Two. The first one was
written before he was well known, noticed

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the use of both names. The
next after his march on Rome, which

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will be this one. We see
now he has taken that self important attitude

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about the family and what they're doing, he said. And the final one,

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when his power and influence affected the
lives of millions. Look at it,

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Oh my gosh. Not only is
it extremely angular, which is almost

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an aggressive and angry nature, but
it's bigger than life in comparison to other

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signatures. It was a school teacher
and all that before I became actor.

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No, he's gonna teach you a
lesson exactly exactly words I tried on everybody,

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right, all right, So I
know that last week, well it's

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been a couple of weeks since we
looked at this slide, but I wanted

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to remake the connection between what I
believe is the shot victims twenty one in

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the Woods dies April Manticello near Monticello
card, which many people have tried to

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attribute the Monticello card to some girls
that were killed, a girl named April.

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I believe that was killed in the
woods, though someone else was convicted

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for this crime. So I don't
know why they're still trying to pin it

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on somebody who was already convicted unless
they have information that would suggest this individual

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was declaring his innocence when he was
convicted and it's just another fall guy that

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went down for Jack. But I
think it has to do with the DC

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Freeway phantom stuff, because, as
I had notated before, Monticello is down

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here. Joint Base Andrews, which
is a military base, is right here

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in the Washington area and then Albany, New York is another one of the

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areas that we are going to see
this serial killer or the Zodiac author at

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least take credit for crimes. So
being on this side and so close to

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Monticello, we also have the crossover
jurisdiction murders between the Maryland and Washington d

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C. So he's picking victims up
in Washington and killing them and leaving them

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in Maryland or vice versa. In
the DC Freeway phantom stuff. So that

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was just a quick catch up before
we go into some of the murders.

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In July eighth, nineteen seventy one, we had Darlena Denise Johnson. She

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is the second victim of the DC
Freeway phantom. Her body was found fifteen

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free feet from where Carol Sparks was
found near Andrew Air Force Base. Again

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air Force base. We know Jack
has access to all of these bases.

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She was sixteen years old, kidnapped
from the same street as Carol, body

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dumped fifteen free feet from the same
location as Carol, and she was strangled

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to death. So in our last
one, I believe let me just run

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back real quick. I want you
guys to also note the by by knife,

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by rope, by fire, by
gun, because when we go through

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these, let's see this one was
shot behind her left ear. Gloria South,

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Brenda Jones was shot in the head. Oh that's Galveson, So that's

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I forty five. But the Albany
Medical Center in New York was a shot

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to the head. Let's see here, who else? So, man,

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maybe you haven't gotten to yet,
and that one is there with me.

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Oh man, I'm way back,
Betty clot Now, yeah, I think

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the other one was inter strangled or
shot as well. But we're seeing the

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multiple mo o in these murders that
is described in the Halloween card in October

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of nineteen seventy. So then it
was on to July thirteenth, nineteen seventy

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one. Angela le Denise Barnes in
Waldorf, Maryland, fourteen years old,

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shot to death, abducted from Southeast
Washington, dumped Waldorf, Maryland. On

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July twenty seventh, nineteen seventy one, Brenda Crockett on the underpass on US

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Highway fifty, which is not here
in California, guys, it's over there.

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So this is another DC Freeway phantom. She was ten years old,

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raped and strangled, scarf found knotted
around her neck. There was a phone

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call from Brenda where she indicated that
she had been given a ride with a

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white man, and another where she
indicates she is at the white man's house.

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Her body was found July twenty eighth, nineteen seventy one. Now,

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if you know the backstory on this, they tried to pin these murders on

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a black man. I believe Wait
a minute, is this the I feel

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it? I feel like this is
something, so oh, this is actually

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runs well let's see. Nope,
okay, so yes, this this girl,

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after being kidnapped, indicated she was
at a white man's house, but

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the police department believed that they were
beat that they were misgivings that the suspect

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asked Brenda to portray, and that
was to stir a suspicion away from a

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black male suspect, for which I'm
sure that Jack would actually want to make

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sure they had it correct, even
if they didn't believe her. And I

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think that that she would likely have
had some stress in her voice or had

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been scared. I think that there
should have there would have been some indication

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that she was stressed. If she's
being told to lie right, Like when

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she makes this phone call. She's
only ten. It's not like she's an

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adult that can hold her emotions together
and what she knows was going to happen

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to her. Well, it's true
that evidently she was offered. I mean,

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I don't know how many black children
would take a ride from a white

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man stranger, you know, I
mean who does that? It just seems

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well, so got handlers and know
she's got parents that are you know,

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are or guardians that are nefarious?
Yeah, right right, that's true.

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So on August fourth, nineteen seventy
one, we have Ronda Renee Johnson and

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Sharon Lynn Shaw at Taylor Lake.
They're hitchhiking from clear Lake to Galveston and

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went missing. So we have these
connections now even from California the hitchhikers and

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Galveston, which is clear Lake is
where the NOHV where the saul that Harriet

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describes as where Dona Las's body was
dumped. So the head was dumped in

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one place, she says, it
was dumped in the Lower Lake area,

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which is clear Lake. So now
we have this cross connection coming back and

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forth. So Jack comes back to
California at this point, and on August

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twentieth, nineteen seventy one, we
have the murder of Linda Dudley in San

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Francisco. Now these are prostitutes.
He hadn't shown anything affinity towards prostitutes at

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this point. But and there's nothing
to say. Again. I put it

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in here because it's an unsolved murder, not necessarily because I'm absolutely saying that

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the Zodiac did this. So just
remember that the article on Linda Dudley says

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knife body of a prostitute. The
new body of twenty two year old prostitute

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who was stabbed to death with was
discovered yesterday in the underbrush of Lake Mercid

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Drive. The badly decomposed body of
Linda Susan Dudley of eight sixty five Hay

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Street was found at ten forty five
am by a municipal water department employee.

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I get that waterway, you know
relation which we see so often with the

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Zodiac prostitute. Somebody must have told
him, right, I mean it says

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a friend. Oh so a friend
here you go. A friend reported her

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as missing twenty second. However,
the coroner's office said they may have that

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she may have died before then.
She had been arrested several times in the

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past year on prostitution charges. Go
ahead, Terry, I just can you

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give me a real quick greekcap as
to why you believe these are Is it

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strictly via Harriet solves that you have
these for? No? These are all

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the unsolved murders that I found back
in twenty thirteen as I was going through

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the years and events of unsolved murders, and anytime some was brought up,

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I would throw them into the presentation
if they look like they could fit the

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bill for the zodiac. Good the
bill. But we don't have any documents

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from Jack on these is no,
not that I know of it. And

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Harriet may have her solves. I
know she has more names named than I

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do know, so I'm not sure
does have some uncanny keywords. But okay.

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August is also supposed to be the
timeframe in which I believe Dennis states

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that he's meeting Nora in South Lake
Tahoe. So but he is still back

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and forth as we see to Stephen's
Creek all the way through nineteen seventy two,

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which confirms Dennis's theory that or not
theory. But the story that Jack

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had his photography studio in the basement
of his house that he had in San

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Jose, So we know that he
kept that house until nineteen seventy two,

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at least based on Dennis's recollection.
So now it says body in San Francisco

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Lake identified again, this is that
waterway dump. So this is why it

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probably got included in here. Terry
b. As we know, we're going

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to step into dB Cooper here,
and one of the things that or one

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of the articles he used was a
Playboy magazine with a woman submerged underwater who

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looked like she basically was dead.
So it says a young woman whose nude

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body was found near Lake Merced in
San Francisco yesterday was identified later in the

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day as a twenty two year old
Linda Dudley. The corner's office said that

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the woman, whose address was unknown, had three chest wounds, apparently inflicted

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by a knife, and died probably
four or five days ago. A city

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employee spotted her partly decomposed body and
brushy undergrowth on the south shore of the

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lake. Police said they had no
suspects and have not determined a motive for

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the killing. But then these ones
don't get highly researched. So the Protestant

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was found, lake Mer said boulevard
and well, yeah, I think that

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they might. It said lake Mercaid
drive and maybe lake Mer said drive runs

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lake Merceaid. That's kind of you
know. Interestingly that lake Me said is

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in both locations of both dead bodies. Well, we have the Edwards and

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Domingas in the early sixties down in
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was shot on the beach right,
and we also have the Lake Barry Esa

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murders where they were stabbed. So
it is following that waterway either dump or

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murder scene. So I think it
is interesting to note that the FBI looked

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at a saul from an individual,
even though they did not find it to

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be credible. They did note that
there happened to be a double symbol used

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for the letters Jay and Kay.
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thought I would bring this up.
So anytime I find something in the solves

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with that the FBI has confirmed or
noticed, I like to bring it up,

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especially if it actually points out because
JK, by itself phonetically is Jack.

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So I did say on August nineteen
seventy one, Jack meets Nora Kaufman,

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mother of Dennis, Mary and Denise
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real meeting date, but definitely after
the March twenty two, nineteen seventy one

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Sought twelve Sought Victim twelve card per
Dennis, and he keeps his home like

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I said, until nineteen seventy two. Jack begins working for South Lake Tahoe

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Linen Company as a mechanic, and
this is where he meets Nora. Jack

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is known to scout out his next
residence months in advance by himself before moving

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or bringing the family with him.
So this is one of those things where

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him coming to South Lake Tahoe,
scouting out a place, scouting at work,

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meeting a new family is just the
precursor to him having left the Bay

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area yet. So he's still in
the Bay Area at this point as well.

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I'm sorry, he's basically dual places. I think the goal is to

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commit a murder before he moves into
that area, giving things time to calm

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down while he goes back home to
prepare to move. Then we see more

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murders while he is there, depending
on his Hiven situation and ultimately one last

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murder as he's exiting. And what
I really meant by that is that every

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time he goes to scout out a
place, he commits a murder in my

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mind. And then he comes back
to California, let's say, and while

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all of the hubbub and all the
investigations are going on and they can't find

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this post, it's because he's not
even in that state. And when he

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moves back to that state with the
family, he now looks like a family

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man who just came here for the
first time. And then we see a

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couple of murders, and then we
always see an exit murder. They're typically

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a ten to eleven month time span
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As we're going to see with the
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months, crossing of jurisdictions, everything
kind of matches that mo. Dennis Kaufman

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wrote in his book, my mother
was working for Tahoe City Lennen when she

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met Jack. He was a mechanic
for the trucks. I met Jack when

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I was five years old. I
walked out in the living room one day

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and he was sitting there with his
arm around my mother. The first thing

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I said to him was get your
arm off my mom. He told me,

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you and I need to be introduced. He took me in the bedroom

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and paddled my ass. He told
me that he didn't want to be here

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any more than I wanted him there, but that was just how it had

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to be, so I would just
have to accept it. I never understood

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why he told me that until now. So that is basically the onset of

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when Dennis started to realize why Jack
ended up in their life because he believed

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he was hiding or rebsconding from something
else interesting. So oncept right, So

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on September seventeenth, nineteen seventy one, and divorce papers are filed by Doris.

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She states that the date of separation
is April first, nineteen seventy one,

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which coincides with the March twenty second
events of Danny going to Cya and

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Jack getting put on probation. And
I think that she ultimately blamed Jack for

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her son going to Cya, so
we end up seeing a split between them.

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At this point, she had said
they actually separated in sixty eight while

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in Nayak, So I'm starting to
wonder whether or not that separation was complete

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or if she was still kind of, you know, bouncing back and forth

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to him, because in these papers
it does not indicate nineteen sixty eight when

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she was in Nayak. So let's
see, her attorney was in San Jose,

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California. Jack is very familiar with
it and shows they were back in

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the San Jose area at the time
that this was being this divorce was being

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put through. I did find an
oddity though, because the September nineteen seventy

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one divorce should have been final between
Jack and Doris. I'm guessing, what

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six months after the petition? Nolan. Yeah, usually it could take longer,

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but yeah, generally six months.
Could they backdate it since she said

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separation was April first, nineteen seventy
one, you can go protep, but

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it can't go. Can't go prior
to the filing of the divorce papers,

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Okay, So when she filed this
then everything. If they granted it immediately,

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it would be done six months from
now, right right. So that's

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the oddity. Because I also found
an additional case in Santa Clara. Let's

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see file. This one is filed
in Santa Clara. Wait, September seventy

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one. This is done in San
Jose and then in Santa Clara on March

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nineteen seventy. Oh, I'm sorry. Should have been final in Santa Clara

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by March nineteen seventy two. But
that's weird because the records also show a

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second divorce on February fourth of nineteen
eighty one, in a new case with

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Doris. Can you tell me what
might went wrong there? Do they reconcile

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and get divorced again? No,
because he's with Nora. He's with Nora

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in seventy one, so he's literally
he's a cheater because we know that he

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got the doors. Maybe they never
completed the paperwork to finalize their divorce,

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even though it was finally seventy one. Sometimes people don't complete the paperwork well,

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and we do see a divorce or
not a divorce, but basically an

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annulment of Nora and Jack's marriage in
the eighties, and then they remarry again.

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I thought it was baby. I
thought they divorced because of the trouble

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he got into. I think that
one was where he did the assault with

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a deadly weapon, and obviously her
separating herself from him at that point,

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she could take all the assets with
them, so they couldn't be personally sued.

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Was my guest for an annulment is
if you're technically still married to someone

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else. He and evidently he was
based on the paperwork I found interesting.

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Right, So trigger points April April
is the Monticello card. Guys keep April

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in mind. April dies, right, so April he's got this triggering point

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is his wife is divorcing him,
and we see a new load of activity

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that begins to occur. So now
Jack has also gone to Texas after November

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fifteenth, nineteen seventy one, which
is basically based on pictures and photographs that

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I had seen, and the Zodiac
Killer actually goes silent. We don't hear

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anything from him. There isn't any
communications, There isn't any killings that we

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would attribute to them, But we
do have the October first, nineteen seventy

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one Nino Mushia Yates murder on Pennsylvania
Avenue in Prince George County, Maryland,

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near Andrews Air Force Base. Once
again, she's twelve years old, raped

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and strangled, abducted from Northeast Walk
and dumped like the others in Prince George,

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Maryland, and then we see that
Jack is coming back through Texas again.

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In my mind on October twenty eighth, nineteen seventy one, we have

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Gloria and Gonzalez at Attics Reservoir,
which is in Texas. She's nineteen years

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old. Her bones are found mixed
in with Colette Wilson's bones, So now

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we have a mixing of body parts
that's showing bisection, which we know lipstick,

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black Dahlia, and a few other
cases that we're going to see here.

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Also the I forty five in the
League City field a field of field

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of stars, and we'll get to
that one. It's too far off.

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Anyways, we started to see where
hands of one victim were buried in a

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grave with another body, so we
got an extra set of hands, or

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we've got an extra skull, or
we've got some extra fee. Either way,

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it shows that the murderers returning to
the scene where he's buried previous bodies

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and continues to bury other individuals with
those with those bodies. At see suspect

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also backtracked their travel route like other
in another one of these cases, which

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is something that I noticed. And
then On November second, nineteen seventy one,

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there was found a del Margaret Crabtree
in Conrod, Texas. She was

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sixteen years old, a runaway from
Ohio that was shot to death. November

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seventh, nineteen seventy one, Linda
Face Sutherland was found in a ditch rural

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road in Perland. She was a
key punch operator. So we talked a

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little bit about the key punch,
didn't we, Terry Yes, And as

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it might compare to IBM punch guards
of the day, it might have been

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a message, you know, because
I think he made a lot of linkages

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to computer technology at that time,
right and at al pl come program for

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one thing, and didn't Jack work
for at one point, I think he

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was in all the technologies. He
was in all the technology. He he

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actually even knew how to write code. He would even instruct in some of

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the paperwork I've got. He would
instruct the IT guy on what he's done,

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what codey's ran, or what troubleshooting
he's done and hadn't been able to

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figure out the problem, so he
would forward it onto the IT specialist.

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But you could see that he has
knowledge of this stuff. What I know

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you want to avoid the future subjects
we're going to go over. But when

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we get those CC case case,
they made the comment that he was familiar

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with handling bodies, which made him
very unique and dangerous. Yes, so

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let's see yill somebody they leave him
lay or you know, the a edition.

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But he was actually handling these bodies, and so you're seeing that with

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this here. Also, this is
something that's that's comfortable handling bodies and body

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parts and things like that, right
right, right right, So Linda Fay

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Sutherland was a key punch operator or
a bartender, I'm not sure, but

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she We do trace that stuff back
the key punch operator to Zodiac Letterman General

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Hospital, the Sacramento Setter Memorial,
and the DC Albany Medical Center. So

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we do see these different uh,
And I think the key punch operator had

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something to do with the nurse.
Maybe that's why I have this lined up

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with all of the nurses in medical
situation. She was actually struck in the

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head and tossed over a low bridge
into a ditch while still alive. The

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killer stood on bridge and shot her
four times with a shotgun. And didn't

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you say that the thirty thirty was
a shotgun or a high powered rifle,

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not a shotgun, right, Yeah, most commonly on the model ninety four

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Winchester type, which looks like a
you know you see on all the Western

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movies, a lot of the Western
movies. The lever operated just like the

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rifle man. Those are different models
of the ninety four. They're very similar

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in structure. But that was a
very popular deer hunting rifle of the day

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or a big, bigger game not
huge jose, not the most powerful,

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but it was a pretty powerful weapon. So what you could go probably like

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deer elk. Yeah, you might
be able. There might be shotloads for

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it. I meant to ask a
friend of mine that's one of an expert.

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They might have made a shotloads that
you could put in it. I

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know there were shotguns you could put
slugs in and use them the same way,

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right, right, right, And
I do believe there are some things

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that you can cross connect. And
I did do a podcast on wrapping the

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bullets so that they could actually fit
and fire from a larger caliber weapon.

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Yeah, they call it a sabbath, a sabbath like sabbath, right,

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and you can so you can fool
the caliber or there's some of that talk

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with Oswald Kennedy saying that there was
a sabbath used. I don't know.

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I haven't done a deep dive on
athlete. I think that's where I actually

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cover it at. Is the possibility
of being able to shoot a nine millimeter

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out of a thirty eight or a
thirty eight out of a twenty two out

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of a one of those. You
know what I mean exactly? Yeah,

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because the rifling wouldn't occur on the
bullet because it was too small to actually

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travel, and the paper would actually
buffer it on its way out of the

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muzzle. Yeah, plastic. Usually
the sabots are made a later. They're

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made out of plastic. Gotcha.
Well, but he's an he's an old

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school boy. He knows how to
be. I would bet that Jack was

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such an avid hunter that if he
ran out of any particular type of UH

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ammunition, that he's kind of like
mcgiver and could on the spot devise just

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about anything he wanted to if he
wanted to shoot a gun, I would

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think so. I think socialist or
trained assassins, right, and that means

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that they would know how to do
mcgiver things for sure. But then they

406
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.480
do these they do these killings and
make it look like it's a poop instead.

407
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:57.079
You know, right, well he
is a coop. But you know

408
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:02.880
what I'm saying, Yes he is
something. You know, things things are

409
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.160
not like john Mark Carr one of
his sound bites. Things are not what

410
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:13.319
they seem, and that's that fits
this guy. Things are absolutely, Yeah,

411
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:17.680
absolutely, I can't I can't wait
to get to John Mark Carr.

412
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:22.920
I think that's how me and Terry
actually bonded, was over the emails from

413
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:29.519
him and that Michael what was he
an investigative reporter like ose the long winded

414
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.720
only how I did a lot of
Oh my god, you can definitely see

415
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:38.680
right when Jack dies, the second
person posting on those went away, he

416
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:43.480
was gone, exactly. We believe
it was Jack because it's I mean,

417
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.960
John Mark Carr was really buttoned down
with what he'd write. This other guy

418
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:52.960
was being really flippant and using strange
words like like a cardiogram and things like

419
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:58.039
that. So that's very that's definitely
there's definitely two people involved, three people,

420
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:04.400
and all at least involved in those
emails. Well, John Mark Carr

421
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:10.279
forwarded on the anthrax letters that were
mailed out of Malaysia and Thailand when he

422
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:15.680
absconded from the United States and went
to those locations. He then pursued the

423
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:21.160
persona of the Zodiac Killer to make
it look like the Zodiac Killer had left

424
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.519
the country. That's just my theory. But so back to the murders back

425
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:29.400
in Galveston, we have on November
ninth, nineteen seventy one, Alison Craven.

426
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.839
She's in gal she's a Galveston abduction
and the body is dumped in two

427
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.359
locations. So now we have a
bifurcation of the body again. Three months

428
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:42.240
later found some of her arms and
bones, her armbones, handbones, and

429
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.960
teeth in a nearby field. Now
I wanted to point that out because that

430
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:51.000
means they're there. That jack that
Harriet solved where she believes that donal Lasi's

431
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:54.240
teeth were missing and separated from her
skull. That we're now seeing this done

432
00:33:54.279 --> 00:34:00.640
in an active murder in taxis right. I'm working on getting to the bottom

433
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:06.680
of that riddle. I've already contacted
the second v journalist and my next step

434
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:12.519
is to contact the Plaster County share
Nice. So now we see another mo

435
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.199
that is kind of fitting what we
have going on if we can confirm that

436
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:20.639
don Alasi's teeth will removed from her
skull, the rest of her The rest

437
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:25.440
of Alison Craven's body was found several
miles away in a field near Perland,

438
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:30.719
Texas, some twenty miles north of
Galveston, so we again have jurisdiction crossover.

439
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:37.800
This would indicate the bisection like Susan
Dignan, Elizabeth Short, Rogers Couple,

440
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:42.840
Collette Wilson, and many other victims. On November eleventh, nineteen seventy

441
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.480
one, we had Debbie Akerman and
Maria Johnson Galveston abduction. Once again,

442
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.800
bodies dumped in two locations. Once
again, the bodies were found ten miles

443
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.400
north of Galveston in Turners by You, which is a waterway reference. Both

444
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:59.719
girls were shot twice. The hands
and feet had been found, like many

445
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:05.440
of these cases, partially clothed.
I question marked accepting a ride from a

446
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:10.039
green pickup truck on eleven fifteen,
nineteen seventy one. I don't. I'm

447
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:15.039
questioning it because I don't know if
the information is correct. We've seen many

448
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:20.000
different reportings in even just Sherry Joe
Bates Volkswagen. You know what color was

449
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.880
it people will argue it was yellow, it was green. They go,

450
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:28.280
well, what do we really know, folks, So go ahead, interesting

451
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.639
right, So I said, this
makes no sense if their bodies were discovered

452
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:37.559
on the fifteenth, If they were
abducted on the fifteenth, and their bodies

453
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.400
are found, schools found in a
different location than their bodies. The schools

454
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.079
were found where a torso of another
victim was found, but the torso was

455
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.199
not found to be either of the
girls. So the torso was not to

456
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:51.119
be that of Philip Manning, but
he was later found to be alive,

457
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:54.880
and a man was convicted of his
murder and died in prison. Oh yeah,

458
00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:04.840
yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and if anybody remembers the Dagnan

459
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:09.119
stuff, like you said, uh, the suspect is very comfortable with handling

460
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:15.760
body parts. Susan Dagnan's body was
dumped in random storm drains leading away from

461
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.519
the basement where she was bisected,
all the way to the last body dump

462
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.599
in near the train tracks which we
know that Jack traveled to get around.

463
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:31.039
So to a little girl, Yes, the lipstick murders were really to me,

464
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.840
a com compilation of what I would
call easy victims. You have a

465
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:38.840
child and you have older women.
He doesn't move into the stronger, more

466
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:45.119
fit people in males until into the
serial killing is free you know. Yeah,

467
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:49.000
my basis. The theory on that
is there's more than one person involved,

468
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.159
absolutely well, and that the guy
that I was telling you about that

469
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:57.679
has this one hundred and some you
know, photographic slides of the victims that

470
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.679
look like they're being stalked, and
he believes that photographer is the Zodiac.

471
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:08.800
Has indicated that he also believes that
the lipstick killings and the Black Dahlia and

472
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:15.280
the Zodiac again are all one perpetrator. He also thinks that his suspect who

473
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:17.519
was born in nineteen twelve, so
I'll give him that that that person is

474
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:22.679
old enough, But that person died
in nineteen ninety one. So I got

475
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:29.800
kind of lost in his projections because
I believe that the Zodiac wrote the anthrax

476
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:34.880
letters, and I believe that PERSONA
was carried on through John Mark Carr overseas

477
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:40.039
and continued. So we know that
the Zodiac author was alive longer than nineteen

478
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:45.639
ninety one. But was this guy
a part of the group, Because he

479
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:50.400
believes that this person could also be
tracked back to the Ohio Torser murders and

480
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:53.320
the mad Butcher murders, which I
studied a little bit about that on the

481
00:37:54.280 --> 00:38:00.559
lipstick killing case. What's that wrong? That guy's wrong about that. That's

482
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:05.719
the Tarsal murders would have been Jack
wouldn't have been old enough. No,

483
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:08.119
no, no, he's not saying
Jack was. He's saying his suspect.

484
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:14.280
And maybe when he told me where
his suspect was from, uh, Chicago,

485
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.320
had been in all the locations South
Lake, Tahoe, the Bay Area.

486
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:22.000
He seemed to be following the same
rounds Jack was at, And I

487
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:24.599
wondered, is he Libra, Is
he the one of the other you know,

488
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:31.320
one of the other people involved in
this thing? Because yah, yeah,

489
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.480
he refused to give me a name, and I hate it when people

490
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:36.960
do that, because if you're trying
to find the truth, you're not going

491
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.280
to cut off the fraud expert.
Yeah. Yeah. And then he wouldn't

492
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:44.239
even provide me the handwriting in a
way that I could work with it,

493
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.400
even though I offered to put together
a presentation for him on the handwriting.

494
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:52.239
Uh So, I don't know if
I'll hear from him again either way.

495
00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:54.800
He is hot to trot. He's
only been in these cases for sixteen months,

496
00:38:54.840 --> 00:39:00.159
and he says he's going to cut
the Achilles tendon of this case and

497
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:09.199
he's going to sell it. I
said, you exactly. He's sending me

498
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:16.599
professionally made uh JPEGs of PowerPoint presentations, which I often see that type of

499
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:22.599
formulation in the uh in the camps
that are trying to put things out against

500
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:24.760
me. I mean, in fact, when I look at him, they

501
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:30.000
were just so astoundingly similar to other
PowerPoint presentations that were bashing me. I

502
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.639
was a little offended and I kind
of snapped at him. I was like,

503
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:35.760
I'm not here for your song and
dance. I don't want to see

504
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.480
what you put together in a presentation. You asked me to work with the

505
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.920
handwriting. I'm a very busy person. If you can't just submit the handwriting

506
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:45.159
to me in a efficient manner so
that I can work with it, then

507
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:51.440
you're wasting my time. Leave me
alone. Done. Let's see all the

508
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:57.000
time, right, all the time. And the more you saw, you

509
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:00.880
can expect more of that sort of
flack. It really can. The more

510
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:06.280
you cover and the more people realize
what you've uncovered, you can expect a

511
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:17.880
lot more of that. You know, he made mention to a connection as

512
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.639
well to JFK. He does not
know half of what he thinks he knows,

513
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.079
but he seemed to be on point, which was strange. So I

514
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:30.119
said, do you realize that the
Zodiac Killer wrote a communication in regards to

515
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.719
the JFK happenings? Right? And
he was like, what, so he's

516
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:36.679
so far behind the times, but
he thinks he's got it solved. And

517
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:38.719
then of course he's complaining that he
can't get anybody to listen. Well,

518
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:45.159
there's a reason for that. But
what I do see there is a potential

519
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.480
for him being picked up by somebody. And I'm using this guy as a

520
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:52.920
false suspect because he died in nineteen
ninety one and can't be connected to the

521
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:58.159
anthrax mailings. And that's where I
think they have drawn short and stopped trying

522
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.880
to solve this, because making that
connection shows us what the Zodiac was,

523
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:12.039
highly politically involved, highly uh crisis
antagonist. Yes, so that my thoughts

524
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.000
now on the torso was that of
one of the girls. But how can

525
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.159
that be if they found both the
girl's bodies floating in the turn or by

526
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.199
you? So I'm a little concerned
about this Debbie Akerman and Maria Johnson thing

527
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:28.559
when the information is a little bit
skewed. But we do also know that

528
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:32.360
there were body parts found in graves
back here in California that did not belong

529
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:37.840
to other victims in those same graves. So we're seeing the same pattern of

530
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:44.320
using the same grave for multiple body
parts that's from different peoples. It's insane.

531
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:49.119
Now, this is where I get
my kicks because I found this in

532
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:54.000
Jack's stuff. So it's an official
receipt for reinstatement from Kansas City, Kansas.

533
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:59.280
You guys, ask me what the
date is when he's there. Seventy

534
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.440
one? Nah, no, Yeah, November twelfth, nineteen seventy one.

535
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:08.039
Jack is over reintroducing himself and he's
listed as a mechanic. Let's see,

536
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:12.960
Jack's reinstatement is in Kansas City,
Kansas Local number ten as a mechanic,

537
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:16.880
which confirms Dennis's story that he is
becoming a mechanic at South Lake Tahoe.

538
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:22.199
It says Jack entered Local Union five
twenty nine register registration number one three five

539
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:28.000
five nine from Tulsa, Oklahoma,
which we that's where he met Letha.

540
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.679
His first wife in July twenty fourth
of nineteen fifty two at age twenty four.

541
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:36.320
And then in the nineteen sixty eight
Dear Draft Board Numbers, we had

542
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:39.960
an ID number which I thought was
relatively similar to Jack's military's ID. I

543
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:44.719
highly doubt that this individual was ever
going to give an accurate number, and

544
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:46.360
I did the research on this number. It is far too long to be

545
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:51.000
anything that the military used at that
point in time, but we could see

546
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:54.440
how consistent we got a three zero
five eight and Jack's military idea is three

547
00:42:54.480 --> 00:43:00.800
five eight eight two seven nine.
So, yeah, we have one of

548
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:07.719
the victims in one of the recent
slides killed on November fifteenth, seventy one.

549
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:09.639
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying. He's right

550
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:13.679
there in this area. He's on
that side of the United States at this

551
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:19.159
point, so he's he's in Kansas
City reapplying for his it says November twelfth,

552
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:24.119
nineteen seventy one, reapplying for his
membership into the Union. And that's

553
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:31.400
the International Brotherhood of Boiler Too.
And but he was scouting out Tahoe.

554
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:38.039
He really gets yes, But I
think this is his red herring that puts

555
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:44.440
him on that side and available for
these other murders. I'm I'm discussing in

556
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:49.280
Texas and DC period. Good point, that's a good point. Yeah,

557
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.199
here's a jack of all trades.
Wasn't he lots of stuff? Yeah?

558
00:43:52.320 --> 00:44:00.199
I bet you he Brenda Woodworth yep
yeap. Three days later he uh days

559
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:07.360
later the last murder. I believe, let's see black. I'm surprised he's

560
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:12.760
killing black. So it's not usually
been as MO, but he says his

561
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:16.599
MO changes. He says his MO
changes, and the only in his finale

562
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:21.239
letter, the only people he said
he didn't kill in the nineteen eighty series

563
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:28.480
was Hispanics and Chinese, so he
never said no Blacks or African Americans.

564
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.800
And we know that the Atlanta Child
Georgia or Atlanta Georgia Child Killer was a

565
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:37.960
series of black male boys. So
we've got this series of black black female

566
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:44.000
girls and then some female girls and
then a series they had to get their

567
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:49.760
quota, and one of the Zodiac
documents right using the N word, that

568
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:53.440
they had to get their quota.
So exactly now, on November fifteenth,

569
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:58.639
nineteen seventy one, Brenda Denise Woodward
on it was found on the access ramped

570
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:01.480
to Highway two O two. She
stabbed and strangled she. It was a

571
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:05.920
grassy area, as all the nineteen
seventy one murders, with the exception of

572
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.760
the waterway dump sites. A coat
had been placed over her with a note

573
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.960
that was found inside of it.
I don't know whose coat they didn't allude

574
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.480
to, whether it was hers or
I also thought and was thinking about that

575
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:20.000
watch in Sherry Joe Bates where it
might have come from the swindles and he

576
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.920
planted it at the next crime scene
to cross connect. What if he was

577
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:27.840
also laying out pieces of clothing from
other murders. So maybe they should be

578
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:31.079
looking at these clothings and seeing if
they can match them back to another individual.

579
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:37.320
So it says the murders stop after
this letter below. Until February of

580
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:45.119
nineteen seventy two, there's no Zodiac
was visiting the DC area the highway to

581
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:52.679
two Washington. Yes, this is
the DC I do, I do,

582
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:57.320
so the murders stop after the letter
that's found in this jacket. There's no

583
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.800
Zodiac, there's no IA forty five, there's no New York, there's no

584
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:06.079
no DC murders recurring. There's nothing
that occurs after this murder that I can

585
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:09.800
tell other than the dB Cooper caper
until February of nineteen seventy two. So

586
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:14.719
D B. Cooper aka Zodiac Jack
may very well have caught. This is

587
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:16.840
another one of my theories, you
guys, because we do see that the

588
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:22.360
dB Cooper occurred in November. Uh
that the three flight three oh five that

589
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:29.719
left out of Tacoma, Washington originates
in Washington, DC. You guys,

590
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:36.920
look at yes, you know where? Hold on, you guys, I

591
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.480
can't hear you. Hold on?
Go ahead, go ahead, Terry Nolan,

592
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:45.039
I just real quickly, there's a
signature right on the word catch with

593
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.880
that hfd M. That's the combination
JP is. Okay, we're not there

594
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.119
yet, We're not to the letter
yet. What did you have to say,

595
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.639
Nolan? Okay, the fly the
dB Cooper flight, it was from

596
00:46:54.679 --> 00:47:00.320
Dicoma to Reno or Tilma to Ware. But the origination of that north west

597
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:07.000
orient flight originated by my research from
Washington, d C. That went from

598
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.800
Washington, d C. What's that
that particular plane? So did it fly

599
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:15.880
into Seattle first or went straight to
Tacoma? I know, I think they

600
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:19.400
flew over to Cooma. Okay,
I don't know. We haven't got to

601
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:21.800
dB Cooper yet. I don't I'm
not up to date on that. I

602
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:23.840
haven't seen it in a while.
I just know that I note to the

603
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:28.920
fact that this last murder and there
wasn't another murder coming out of any of

604
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:34.159
these four different serial killing sprees until
they picked back up in February of seventy

605
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:37.119
two. But that the flight three
oh five in the dB Cooper case actually

606
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:42.519
originates from Washington, d C,
where this last murder occurs, and then

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back to the western side of the
US, pre planning all along the way.

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As my guess, So I wanted
to research previous flight manifests for passengers

609
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like Jack Terrence. He may not
have used an ALIAS when he took that

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flight from from DC to Seattle,
and then that's where he purchases his next

611
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ticket underneath the alias, so I
wanted to see that. And then he

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checks in as Dan Cooper in Spokane, Washington, so that's where he picks

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up the flight at get that subject? Man is that subject got a lot

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of points to me? So this
is I only got one minute left.

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I feel like I'm not you guys. I'm gonna read this letter real quick

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and we'll need to sign off.
But the note left in this jacket says,

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this is tantamount to my insensitivity to
people, especially women. I will

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admit the others when you catch me. If you can freeway Phantom that is

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Zodiac one on one. That's Oh, I got goosebumps, you guys.

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00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.800
All right, Well, we're going
to have to go into the rest of

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that this next week. We did
not quite make it to the Zodiac or

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to the DV Cooper like I'd hoped, but we can cover this letter next

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week if you'd like to join us, Terry, and we'll go from there.

624
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:59.679
Absolutely. I do like that you
got that document, so that that's

625
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.920
a been trying me. That's that's
putting a zoro right there. He even

626
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:09.239
hyphenates freeway. Zodiak is the biggest
hyphenator ever. Catch me if you can

627
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the whole word, it's him,
it it's it, It's there. All

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right, you guys, thank you
so much for being I have to sign

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off, but thank you guys so
much for being here. Have a wonderful

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weekend, and we'll see you next
week. Absolutely, talk to you later,

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but you're back