Dan Cooper aka DB Cooper and Zodiac Coincidences?

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trew seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Road Jack Finding the Zodiac. I
would like to welcome to the show Terry

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Batcher. Oh, good morning Terry
and Harry Heay, good morning, Good

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morning guys. Doing mm yeah.
I want to start out with actually something

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fun. This last week I got
to experience something I've never experienced before in

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my life, which I just have
to brag and share. But I got

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to be on the set of the
new movie that Leonardo DiCaprio and Sean Penner

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making, which was completely exciting because
as I watched Leonardo, you know,

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grow from Titanic and on, I've
always thought it would be a wonderful thing

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to see that man in person,
and I have finally checked it off of

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my bucket list to watch them work
absolutely amazing. It's like they go into

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this zone where nothing else around the
matters. And we are smack dab in

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the middle of a busy supermarket because
my girlfriend is the property manager of the

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shopping mall and she knew that this
was going to be taking place, and

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we hopped on over and spent a
couple hours there. She actually spoke to

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Sean Penn. He seems to be
a very meaniable guy, like he was

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nice in fact, and I figured
if he was in the middle of working,

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we would just slap us off,
but he didn't, and he patronized

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other people that were in the parking
lot. It was actually a really fun

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experience. I want to clean up
some laundry real quick, and I'm going

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to put up the PowerPoint presentation to
do so. All right, guys,

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So some jack wagon out there decided
they were going to file some type of

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a suicide watch on me, and
they claimed that twenty five seconds in on

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my video last week on the I
forty five Killer with Nnette Bartow. I

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went back to the video and I
looked at it, and this is merely

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the disclosure that my publishers making at
the beginning telling you you're not going to

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get advice from us, seek help
from confident specialists or professionals. And I

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just I bout fell over to see
this because it also comes with a stripe

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on your record, which I was
not aware of, and basically the message

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said that, Hi, we have
reviewed your content determined that it may not

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be suitable for viewers under the age
of eighteen per our community guidelines. As

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a result, we've age restricted the
following content. I age restrict all of

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my content to begin with the second
it is uploaded onto YouTube, or not

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the second once I address it and
it's uploaded, I go in, I

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change it to not suitable for children, and I place it in the proper

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video file. So I'm not sure
why they don't already recognize that I have

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been doing this on my own account
and that I am listing this as not

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suitable for children. I hope this
doesn't become some type of an issue in

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the future. It does say that, oh, I'm missing my clicker.

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We'll go give my clicker. It
does say that, oh god, we

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have an applied. Oh it says
we haven't applied to strike your channels and

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your content still lie for some users
on YouTube. Keep reading for more details

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on what this means and steps you
can take if you'd like to appeal this

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decision. I'm not going to appeal
the decision obviously, because I don't believe

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that what we're talking about is suitable
for children that followed up the day.

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We want to help you. We're
reaching out because members of the YouTube community,

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including fellow creators, viewers, or
staff, has expressed concern for your

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safety or well being after coming across
content you posted with topics related to suicide

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or self harmed. You, guys, we've never we've never talked about that.

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Yeah, they're your target, expects
flack. Well some jackwagon can just

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while you're in good company with Marjorie
Taylor Green. She apparently gets the suicide

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watch like once a once a week
and the teams once a week. What

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sorry, but that that's the world. We my god? All right?

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Moving on? Last week, we
ended off with the last victim, Brenda

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Denise Woodward, who was found on
the access ramped to Highway two two in

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Washington, DC area. And this
was part of the DC Freeway phantom murder

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spree. And of course there was
a note left in the pocket of a

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jacket that was laid over the top
of the victim. It does not indicate

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whether or not that was her jacket. I don't know if that's something we'd

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ever be able to find out.
I can't really locate a whole heck of

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a lot of information on it.
But we do note that the DC Freeway

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phantom goes away after approximately ten to
eleven months, and we see that there's

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no more murders in Washington, d
C. This letter that he sent out

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said, this is tantamount to my
insensitivity to people, especially women. I

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will admit the others when you catch
me, if you can. So he's

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admitting to others, and he is
stating especially women when these are a series

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of children that are killed. So
I think that this is his secret tie

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into through the communication the work that
he has done killing other women as well.

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Hey, but is z in it
too? But as will as will

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admit to others when you catch and
get the teacher, at least two combination

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JT's on it. I look at
that huge ass there, and this is

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loaded with Zodiac jack one alone.
Let's call I haven't studied him for the

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same things that you have. That's
for sure, but I can say that

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what I did note in regards to
this is that the insensitivity to people,

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especially women, screams that he's killed
women because the murders committed here were children.

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Zodiac Citizen letter for the ITI connection. That was one of the things

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that definitely stood out to me in
the handwriting comparisons. As we can see

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with the sensibilities, we have those
tall tea's, we have the high dotted

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eyes, we have the very short
stems on the eyes. He also says

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catch me if you can. This
is a source from many other letters.

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Catch me if you can. Started
way back, good morning, No right,

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can you hear me the partition and
admit too, right, yeah right,

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good morning. So they catch me
if you can. I linked this

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all the way back to Lipstick Killer
Black Doahya. This is a real catch

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me if you can slow down,
hurry up. I think you talked to

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me about this, Terry this These
references were with a military or in regards

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to time. Yeah, yeah,
well absolutely yeah. But Izil he's got

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Izila admits he put the Z in
there and gettle colons right behind me.

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Made his little typical the way he
liked to make some of his eyes and

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the colons right right, and then
that if up there and if phenomenal,

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I mean it's it's it's a big
wow. It's a great document. That's

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true, right, And I did
I did find we did include this in

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the handwriting examination that we did months
back, so I know that it has

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been properly put in there and compared, and we do find consistencies, especially

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that D. And admit that's that
noose D that you talk about right from

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the Ramsey note. Absolutely absolutely so, free has been free has been used

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as postage to mail previous letters.
So I like that he wrote in there

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free he is free. Right.
Hyphen Way freeway has been the dump site

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of many other victims. The phantom
that he's he's called the uh DC freeway

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phantom in this particular killing spree.
I don't know who named it. That

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might have been the media, but
the phantom has been used in contact with

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the Riverside phantom. The text are
can of phantom, the red red phantom.

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In the Dear Marco letter, several
phantoms that the text arecana phantom.

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I mean that the phantoms just keep
going on. So the census is that

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the victim well the census. In
the information I researched is that the victim

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hand wrote this note from her own
school book based on dictation from the suspect.

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I said, b S, I
can't. I can't imagine that you're

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getting. You're getting a child who
would like, what's that you're cutting out?

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Up? Okay, So sensibility is
consternation and other large words like the

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zodiac. Yep, I can hear
you pixelating to not pixelating but freezing up.

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I see it. Yep, he
is freezing up a little bit,

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all right. So he used these
Yeah, he used while misspelling on purpose

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to dumb himself down. So that's
the way I look at these misspellings,

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not that they are words too.
That's what Harriet does. She finds that

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that means that these misspellings are indicating
some portion of a code with inside the

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message. And I hope she can
climb back on here because that leads us

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actually to her solve. And when
she comes back on, I'm gonna go

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ahead and read it right now.
When she comes back on, alask her

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to explain it, we can hop
back. But she believes that this message

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actually reads that this is Dandem Haliday. Absolutely, she did good work on

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that one, did she? Yeah? Yeah, So it was a basic

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anagram, simple and it comes out
to Nixon pilot I hit woman eye,

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which she believes is inclined be for
village pines, condos, et cetera,

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swearing in follow me to the Lake
County. They they may catch me.

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Terrence, you will help me and
my phone associate Nora Kaufman TTT to tell

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the truth. I'm at Taos,
New Mexico. I E therefore, I

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thank you, And I thought that
was extremely interesting. And Harriet, are

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you with us now? Yeah?
Maybe try calling in and we'll come back

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to the soul of Harriet. Yeah, it's like it just totally Yeah,

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try calling in and then we can
I can come back to the sault,

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right. The interesting part about this
is the Mexico reference. Now, I

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know it's stating New Mexico, and
we've heard Mexico many times in the the

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language and speak of the serial killer, either to his victims or in other

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communications. Seems to be the running
theme for this individual to indicate Mexico.

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And I think that we discovered that
South El Paso, just over the border

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in Mexico was an actual ranch or
a CIA operation right, Terry, Well,

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yeah, I was going to say, it's all a Taos in New

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Mexico. I think that's a lyric
from the word rude sixty six, the

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song I'm not sure about the spelling
I've ever, I'm only familiar with that

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by verbal, but just just point
that out over here. Let's not they

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do it. That's I think this
is fantastic. Perches down, she gets

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back here. It's interesting that this
letter is also mentioning nor Kaufman and Norrack

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Kaufman is presently in Jack's life at
this point. So this helps to confirm

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Dennis's story that his mother met Jack
in nineteen seventy one, and his belief

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was in August swearing again one.
That's the one that really floors me.

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That one's throwing me off. I'm
just I'm a little way that she's coming

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up with his information. However,
like back in because break, yeah you

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are okay, restart your computer.
So I basically I did a brief synopsis.

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We'll come back to that because we'll
spend more time on it when Harriet's

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with us. So the DC Freeway
phantom summary that I picked up on,

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and if there's anything else you want
to add Terry feel free, but there's

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a crossing of jurisdictions because they're being
abducted in Maryland and found in DC or

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vice versa. They are shot,
strangled, stabbed, bludgeoned, which is

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the typical Zodiac persona of my m
O changes by rope, by knife,

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by fire, by gun. And
the waterway dump sites are also clearly something

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that we've notated in many of these
crimes. Yeah, we had a letter

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written that's speaking about women when these
are children. So the connection to the

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other crimes, the call to home
from a victim. Victim reported a white

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man, so the call to the
family members is very zodiac esque. We've

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seen this happen in many of the
crimes. We also have the I forty

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five killer erupting at this point,
and California is actually void of unsolved murders

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for much of this year. I
think I only had one in this whole

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run of nineteen seventy one. Where
after he sends this letter, we see

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almost nothing that I've been able to
actually attribute to what might have been the

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Zodiac SMO. The Tim Millers.
It just goes to show you how much

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trouble one person can make and do
as long as they have cover, as

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long as as long as they're protected. Yeah, absolutely worse than the Tim

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Miller finale letter takes credit for at
least two phantoms that I can mark that

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and that I surmise can be the
Riverside Phantom Red, Phantom Texas can of

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Phantom count Marco Letter Red, Phantom
DC Freeway Phantom all inside all unsolved crimes

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with all the same attributributes that we
listed above. Jack is all over the

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map at this point in time.
He's back and forth between San Jose and

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South Lake Tahoe, California, Texas
and Kansas City. I also think that

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the last murder in the DC Freeway
phantom cases ends locally. Six days before

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the skyjacking, I changed my language. Were you terry skyjacking? Where the

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originating flight of Northwest Orient hijacked by
Dan Cooper in Washington State begins on that

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side of the US in d C. So my research reveals it did originate

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in Washington, DC, and I
was able to find others who had also

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concurred on that matter. That's true. I wanted to show everybody inside the

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finale letter, which helped me to
pull together many of these crimes. We

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see that the very first kills,
he says right here in the and this

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is gonna I'm gonna guess that this
says seventies A because I don't see anything

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down here at the bottom that actually
indicates that it's an eighty. And he

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already talks about the eighties. So
up here he says, he says,

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this monster in me that makes me
kill other Caucasian girls with brown hair.

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Second in the eighties series or the
League Cities Field of Death, the hundreds

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of the IE forty five deaths,
all the ones with brown hair and who

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are white and look enough like her
now and then some from a convenience store

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phone. I'm not the only one
killing girls. Tim no Mexican, no

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yellow. And I'm thinking what he
put in here was no Chinese, ain't

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killed by me. The very first
kills in the seventies series was some other

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guy too, So I believe he's
definitely talking about two different timeframes, and

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the beginning of the I forty five
killings and the entrance or the introduction of

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these new murders that are picking up
in the Galveston area of Texas can be

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directly linked to the author of this
letter, and I've directly linked the author

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of this letter to many of these
crimes. We go through and we start

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to see other things like the word
phantom is mentioned here the phantom question mark,

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and again over here on the second
page, the phantom question mark.

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Again emphasis on the word Tom on
phantom too, by the way, right

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right, yeah, And this is
two thousand and five and he's already reached

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out to Tom Voit twice. Uh
so this this is in And also look

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up here Tom Humble in the return
address. Now Humble he actually when he

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when he wrote Tom, he actually
said my humble offer is that led me

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to the statement superfudge works. Well, when I looked up Superfudge I found

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that was a fourth grader book written
by a Judy Bloom out of Humble,

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Texas. And if anybody doesn't know
this already, Humble is this tiny little

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town on the outskirts of the border
of Bush International Airport. Desolute bit of

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information. Well right here, he
says, you could look for my clues.

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His clues are there, and I'm
telling everybody here I'm putting those clues

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together. And he says, my
m O changes. Just like we just

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discussed so this is how I put
a majority of these crimes together. We've

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got Harriet back with us. I
wanted to help. I wanted you to

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help us. Go over your solve. Are you able to see this right

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now? Yeah? Just go ahead
because I know my soul because that took

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me fifteen minutes to do that.
So that's awesome. Forward. Yeah,

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So who is who is Nixon Pilot? Oh my god, the pilot he's

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referring to is the very dead Lauren
l swearing In. I see him on

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Facebook right now. I don't know
that he's dead. He's dead. Somebody's

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impersonating him, and I think I
know Lily. So I don't want to

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get us into lawsuits. Okay,
all right, So it says Nixon Pilot,

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I a woman Incline Village Pines,
condos, et cetera. Swearing In

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followed me to Lake County. They
may catch me. Terrence exclamation, will

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you help me? And my phone
associate Nora Kaufman question mark T T T

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T to tell the truth. I'm
at Taos, New Mexico. I E

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therefore, I thank you. So
what is Taus, New Mexico? I

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think that has something to do with
Norah Kaufman's family, you know her her

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genetics, it's her family tree.
But it's also near Apparently some were a

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bunch of brilliant minds for NASA.
We're working this not too far from the

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laboratory from James. From the laboratory
there I was, you know, I

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had to do some cross referencing.
I said, wait a minute, this

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is bringing back a lot of memories
about you know what we've tried to look

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into about you know, Noura's history
of Chocolate Canyon. NASA very interested in

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the area. You have Operation paper
Clip, people that most likely went there.

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So it's he's he's he's in a
place where he's feeling quite comfortable,

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even though it's you recall do you
I'm sorry interrupted, but do you recall

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the Constellation Mountains, a place that
Jack had gone to camp Dennis told a

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story that Jack told the story he
went in with three people and came out

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with two, which would indicate that
they killed somebody that was with them.

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Do you know what Constellation Mountains is? Was that in New Mexico or Arizona.

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It's it's down there in that high
desert, if I remember correctly,

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So it's you know, we're talking
about something that's very familiar to him.

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The Constellation Mountains. I think that
I think that's in Oh god, it's

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in the Arizona area, I believe, so people they can, yeah,

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but but it's it's it's it's indirectly
connected that area of Mexico. The scientist.

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So much going on there? Good
lord? Right, all right,

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So my phone as though she at
Norah Kaufman, So you believe we know,

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we know that that Jack has met
Nora by this point in time,

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So that is consistent with the time
frame and her name being brought up.

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But what do you mean by phone
associate? It looks like she's she's met

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him for various reasons, and uh, they're on the phone a lot together.

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But he's also during this time period. I think I said that day

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code ad miss him. But anyways, that he confessed to her about killing

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Donna laugh and boy, just wait, I got some more you might be

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seeing is Barry macab But anyways,
so he's he's he's in touch with her

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and she's helping him or he's trying
to help her. Now also for helping

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him. Wow. Well, and
we know that Norris Norris family also or

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maybe it was Nora. No,
Nora's family is also originated out of Michigan

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as well, because I know that
they had family there, per her phone

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book and her diary, and and
at that time, obviously when we had

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the Minnesota murders that were occurring,
we know that Jack was or the Michigan

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murders were occurring. We know that
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I did actually come up with two
unsolved murders in Minnesota. I just wasn't

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able to get very much information on
them. And we're about five years away

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from that stuff anyways. All right. So one thing where the keyword follow

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was also on that last document areas, and that's that follow follows him from

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one end of his stuff to the
other. Follow me and they may catch

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me like both of those achanged those
two. Yeah, yeah, this is

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that's load for bear, that's waterful. That's great, nice job, all

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right, So that's thank you.
Then she asked me, can you decode

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this? And then like half an
hour later I send it to her.

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Smallest message go ahead anyway, probably
the smallest message I've ever handed over to

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you that walks us right into the
zodiac versus the DC freeway phantom and the

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handwriting that I initially started with.
Wow, what happened to my images?

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That's interesting? Huh? All right, Tom Poite, knock it off.

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This was literally loaded with letters from
Jack's just yesterday. Huh. Had all

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of the a's in it that were
a match to the a's, which is

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what struck out in my mind.
I know that there are particular letters that

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he would paid particular attention to,
but these letter a's were all consistent with

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Jack's handwriting. So now it looks
like I'm going to have to go back

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and figure out what happened to that. Oh, oh yay, I'm sorry

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you guys. This is an old
presentation that I actually had flying parts to.

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He's our go to blame. That's
not if anything bad happens. Oh

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that's sad. I'm sorry to Tom. I'm sure you're not a bad guy

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anyway. So you can see all
these letter You can see all of these

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letter a's up here. Come on, where is my mouse? All right?

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Oh look, I've got more coming
in. Let me just get these

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all up here. All right,
there we go. So these are all

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the a's. When this was way
back early on in twenty thirteen because I

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meant for that to happen, so
that as I was discussing each one,

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I brought them in. It's the
effects on PowerPoint that you can do.

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You can cause things to fly in
and pop out so that you can Yeah,

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So basically that's what happened. I
just I failed to remember there was

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any type of effects on these slides. But these are old slides, so

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right, But now you can see
all those a's up there. You can

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see all the styles of the a's
that Jack uses, and how consistent from

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the secondary stroke you can see here
because the thickness is greater than the rest

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of the actual writing itself. So
we had that second stroke. We have

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the low crossing bar, we have
it leaned to the right with one leg

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longer than the other. All of
those were very consistent with what we saw

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Jack doing. And I'm just going
to run through this because there's no need

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for me to beat up the handwriting
again. We've already done this. Like

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I said months back, we did
a complete version of all of the handwriting.

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So I'm just gonna skip forward so
that we don't ourselves to death.

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And that brings us back to Zodiac
versus DBI Cooper, Darry and I actually

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have this on the message board.
So for anyone who is wanting to read

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up on all the research that we
had done up to probably what twenty thirteen,

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Terry, you continued after and adding
stuff every year, but we pretty

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much are not really active on it
anymore. But we collected a majority of

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the information I think that we probably
could have, and that could be found

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at the https colon ford slash forward, slash Nanette b as a boy period

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forum chit chat dot com. So
for anybody who wants to check it that,

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yeah, well that's the link to
go to the message aboard. And

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you want to give the title on
it too? All the times, yeah,

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whatever that title is absolutely says the
Summer of the Evidence. I don't

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remember the exact title, but right, I think you started that thread,

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right I did, And that was
after you initially initially brought up the idea

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that Jack was involved in a Cooper
caper and was right in the middle of

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it. I'm like, oh no, not another another hit we're going to

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take for our credibility, and I'm
like, come on, you know,

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but I took the deep dive and
did faith because I knew your your integrity

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is good, and I read and
read that I knew you were right within

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a very short period of time.
You just gave me goosebumps. Serious,

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so you thought I was a nut
job A job I just was like,

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in my initial reaction was going to
be, you know, kind of like

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what some of the trolls who beat
us up for and said, oh,

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well, no, she's including the
dB Cooper taper. You know, like,

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hey, no, take a look
at the evidence, and that's what

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and we worked on it, and
I wouldn't look for things that can I

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find anything that anybody's missed. Was
kind of always been my approach to all

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this stuff. So that's at one
time had one contribution to make that I

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that was about where he jumped out, okay, and well we're gonna get

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we're gonna we're gonna move on to
that in a second. Harriet, what

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did you think when I said that
Jack likely wrote the dB Cooper stuff.

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I actually initially was a little surprised, but I think I was in contact

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with Dennis at that time period and
he was saying that the FBI was thinking

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that he was a pretty good suspect
because of the location where they lived,

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the time period where he's remembering that
night quite clearly, the night of dB

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Cooper Jack comes home with a busted
up shoulder because something happened in behind the

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Reno Airport. So, you know, I said, well, here we

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go. Okay, we're getting on
the fruit the edges of everything. But

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I said, you know, I
think this is a possibility, because even

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Dennis was saying he remembered that night
clearly. So wow. Yeah. So

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I did take a look at something
that someone else had put together, and

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we're going to be covering that.
And I think that's what kind of solidified

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my idea because while he was fighting, while he was finding certain traits in

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these cutouts that came from Playboy magazines, he was looking at pages and just

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opposed to the pages he was pointing
out, I'm finding what leads us directly

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into Zodiac Land. I know that
I know that there are several things that

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we're going to talk about as we
go through once we get there, but

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I just wanted to cover some of
the initial thoughts that Terry and I had.

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Terry, are you able to read
this screen? So it's pretty fine

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print for me to read to whyn't
you read it for me, Okay.

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It says, Wow, what a
revelation, and that one just can't make

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this stuff up. The taunting cutout
letters sent in seven days after the Cooper

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caper clearly shows that it was constructed
to be decoded. Now we know that

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you have dB Cooper what is it
called, Harriet dB Cooper solved? You

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have DeBie Cooper salved. So you've
actually worked on some of these letters.

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I think I've worked on all of
the available communications. So great, because

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we're going to be looking to put
those in here shortly. If you titled

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or you sent me this new dB
Cooper letter reveals intriguing new insights by D.

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B. Cooper decoded And I think
this is the one the guy did

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from the Playboy magazines, right,
Darry? I think so, yes,

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you said, if you check this
out, notice the Playboy magazine that has

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the cutout for the d in dB
Cooper came from a page that has an

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ad for a buttane lighter. In
the upper left hand corner of that same

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page has the article titled Career Killers. Other pages that cutouts came from also

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have strong Zodiac killer hints like Man
and Beast. One letter was from a

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Joan BIA's interview BO and Brummel page
hints to the clip on tie. Another

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is to a B. F.
Good Rich faceless nameless trooper ad the W

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in Town comes from Dares profile and
dwors Is liquor right right profile, et

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cetera, et cetera. There are
more Zodiac Killer points to be gleaned from

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these mailings, like double postage,
the JT initials, et cetera. He

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points out that the clip on tie
and other crime scene things weren't publicized at

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the time of this letter, and
that the author of the letter knew what

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was correct and what was incorrect about
the crime. I don't agree with his

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conclusion, but I have a perspective, a perspective advantage that he didn't have.

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So he's really very brilliant to have
come up with this. Either that

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or he is he was tipped to
look for these things. So you're talking

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about the person who decoded it,
yep, absolutely remember what his name was.

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It was was it Morphord? Well
that you know, this is kind

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of all kind of coming back to
me as you're reading this was quite a

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while ago. I mean this was
over ten years old. Oh well,

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ten years ago. Ten years ago
at least. Oh, I think these

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are twenty fifteen. So yeah,
almost nine years ago at least. So

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I responded to you, hilarious,
Terry b. You nailed it. As

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I was gleaning the articles for Substance
and Art, I saw that about the

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career killers, giggled and thought,
oh, that guy to coding. It

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was so close to the meaning of
that ad, but so far off a

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lighter eh. But he saw this
as a hijacking instead of extortion. So

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I wanted everybody to understand that.
The FBI labeled the Zodiac case as extortion,

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which always boggled me because I thought
he was a serial killer. He

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was a murderer, but they saw
what he was doing, which was extorting

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the newspaper companies for information. What's
that, I said, Yeah, I

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said he was extorting. I'm seeing
okay. By just even sending the coded

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missus to Nixon, he's saying what
Nixon and his crew should know about,

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and that if he gets caught,
you know this is going to happen.

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So helping out with some money.
So he was exhorting, and that,

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you know, that brings me to
the fact that he wrote Hilliard, you

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00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.519
came up with Hilliard right from the
Oregonian. Hilliard is the editor, so

405
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:22.440
we have him writing another editor of
a newspaper for this particular crime. So

406
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.680
just like in Black Dahlia he wrote
the La Times. In Zodiac, he

407
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:32.000
wrote San Francisco Chronicle and San Francisco
Examiner. In the dB Cooper he writes

408
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:37.440
the Portland Oregonian. These are all
telltale signs that we're dealing with the same

409
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:42.799
person. He is definitely making it
known to whomever and maybe that was the

410
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:47.240
handler of information at that particular point
in time. Yeah, yeah, well,

411
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:52.440
well tail, well, I just
want to say quickly, Bill Hilliard

412
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:59.599
shows up in the Black Dahlia era
that right, Yeah, so this is

413
00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:05.400
he's now one of the editors,
top editors there. So it's like,

414
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.679
you know, he's he's in a
way, and this is my opinion,

415
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:13.480
being blackmailed to join all of this, and which is also the help pay

416
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:17.800
off some other questionable crimes maybe in
the past that most people were dirty.

417
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:23.440
So he's involved in he's being blackmailed. Put it that way. Oh,

418
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:30.280
gotcha. So that's what you find
in the dB Cooper solved. Oh definitely,

419
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:37.480
We'll get to the editor. So
Basically, Terry B. Had indicated

420
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:45.920
that, Okay, stop saying that, Nolan, you're talking. I know

421
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:52.039
it does. You gotta move closer
to the internet. Dan Cooper, Terry

422
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:57.519
Terry says, Dan Cooper was what
he put on the airline ticket. The

423
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.320
media misreported the crime as dB Cooper. Now, the reason why they did

424
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:05.360
that, Terry B. Is that
they believed that the suspect was an organ

425
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.280
resident and the only thing they could
find in the phone book was a dB

426
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:14.800
Cooper. So when they found this
dB Cooper and attempted to question that individual,

427
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.320
that then became the tagline for this
caper. And yes, Dan Cooper

428
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.719
is the correct name of the individual, or of the name that was placed

429
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.760
on the ticket, it says.
Hence the hint about the B being wrong

430
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.480
via the via the cutout letter,
because in the cutout letters we see him

431
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:35.599
putting down B D, which I
presumed was his connection to Black Dahlia.

432
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:42.599
But you're saying, because they've they've
got him wrong, and he puts BD

433
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:46.159
b D Cooper and some of the
other communications too, as will see right

434
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:52.800
right, go ahead, carry oh, I was gonna say, okay,

435
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.679
well you just said you said that
perfectly. There Terry B. You know,

436
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:59.039
put the B and the D there. That's the hint, like this

437
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:04.440
is supposed to be some andram,
so you'll go Daniel B. Cooper,

438
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:08.840
you know, and more information in
there. And Cooper I think was that

439
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:14.599
the p that was backwards in one
of them. So he's definitely playing with

440
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:16.679
symbols and signs. But we're gonna
get to that. Let's get over.

441
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:21.800
I want to list what we saw, Terry and I saw as reasons to

442
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:25.039
look at this case. He said, if the guys skunk cam actually did

443
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:30.400
come across some hijack money placed neatly
under a tree, then the implication would

444
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.440
be that Cooper survived the jump.
Right. The FBI has clearly been deceptive

445
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:38.320
in their conclusions about the Cooper caper, especially in light of all the evidence

446
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:45.079
that says that Cooper had esoteric information
and the reports of the small plane criss

447
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:47.840
crossing the area a week in advance. Now I want everybody to know that

448
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:53.480
Jack also told Dennis that he was
doing flying lessons, and he mentioned that

449
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:59.000
they were with Arthur Lee Allen.
So I don't know who was really the

450
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:04.679
pilot of thisarticular adventure, but he
had indicated on a couple occasions that he

451
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.800
was familiar with Arthur Lee Allen,
that he had a friend that he was

452
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:14.559
flying with. Was Arthur Lee Allen
known to have flown Oh yeah, pilot,

453
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:20.800
gotcha. So Cooper clearly knew what
he was doing. He didn't tumble

454
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:22.800
out of the back of the two
seven to twenty seven, as the FBI

455
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:27.559
would have the public believe. Also, I'm starting to think that that that

456
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:31.400
cash wasn't actively tracked for fear Cooper
might return and actually blow up the jet.

457
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:35.920
You said, I'll edit this list
as I discovered things that bolst of

458
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.320
the fact that the crime was high
tech. And this is Terry b has

459
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:44.320
been very opinionated on the fact that
all of this had required lots of planning,

460
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.039
lots of inside information, and was
probably planned well in advance. And

461
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:51.960
these are some of these points.
He demanded four shoots. He picked the

462
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.840
main shoot with the manual ripcord.
He used the reserve chute to house the

463
00:37:54.880 --> 00:38:00.199
money. He demanded that that landing
gear remain down for more drag. He

464
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:05.800
demanded specifically fifteen degrees or flap for
more low speed lift and drag. These

465
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:09.239
two last and very specific demands ensured
that the jet speed would be reasonable for

466
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:15.239
him. He demanded the stack V
twenty three route, which shows technical information

467
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:21.039
was applied. He demanded that the
money serial numbers weren't sequential. He knew

468
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.159
about the fueling issues. He knew
that the rear door and staircase could be

469
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:30.079
opened in flight. He operated the
cabin lights to thwart a sniper. He

470
00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:34.000
let the passengers go, which was
smart thinking. He made the flight attendant

471
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.559
write down his demand so they wouldn't
have his handwriting. He was calm,

472
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:40.280
cool and collected, and he was
polite. He opened the rear stairs and

473
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.719
probably rode them for about seven minutes, which shows he had a specific drop

474
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:50.760
target. He may have dropped the
fifty eight hundred intentionally hoping it would be

475
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:52.840
found so it would look like he
failed in his mission, which would have

476
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:58.000
given him an advantage. The exact
amount of two hundred dollars could be carried

477
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.920
in his pocket. However, more
likely he put rubber binders around the group

478
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.360
of fifty eight hundred and blew it
out of his raincoat and ended up in

479
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.960
the Columbia River and floated to Tina
Bar, where the water velocity is low

480
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:15.920
and the wat of money then sunk
rotary dredges would account for the rounded bill

481
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:20.400
edges. He placed sunglasses on his
face, which would act as goggles.

482
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.400
He wore black clothes, including a
raincoat. The loafers would make him look

483
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:29.719
like a professional businessman. He had
been encountered on the ground. Evidence shows

484
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.320
that he probably got the Dan Cooper
name from a Canadian comic book hero,

485
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:38.039
which I did find that information too, and we know that he's into comic

486
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:42.400
books. Look at what he did
with the Dick Tracy stuff right as the

487
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.199
zodiac. Absolutely it says Impy had
died on impact, his remains would have

488
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:50.440
turned up a long time ago.
Braddy died on impact, the bag with

489
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:53.519
the cash would probably have burst open. By Cooper stating that he was headed

490
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:58.119
to Mexico. So now we have
another reference to Mexico, which is tying

491
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:02.400
back to the tantamount letter just talked
about totally everything he does. Everything he

492
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:07.199
does go ahead. That ploy allowed
him to slip in a much earlier jump

493
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:12.639
in the southwest area of Washington State
undetected. All of these points, taken

494
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.920
together, clearly shows that the FBI
hasn't been truthful about the Cooper kper No

495
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:21.920
ifs ands or butts period. Damn. I hate liars, especially by ones

496
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:24.960
paid by the taxpayers of this country, especially by law enforcement agency that is

497
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.840
supposed to be above reproach. Nice
words, Terry, I got, I

498
00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:37.239
got me some goosebumps there. So
we have another extortion case, right,

499
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.880
because this is basically what it was. He extorted the airlines for two hundred

500
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:44.559
thousand dollars, which puts it right
in the realm of what Zodiac has been

501
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:50.760
labeled in the FBI files. Right
at this point in time, I popped

502
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:52.559
up because I hadn't been ready to
talk about this stuff yet. I was

503
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.320
still kind of keeping it close to
the chest, but Terry b ran with

504
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:59.960
it, so I said, I
have actually worked on this more than I

505
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.679
I've led on. I've been reviewing
the files for a couple months now.

506
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:09.159
Also look at the breakdown on the
word hospital idy and we had the sensitivity

507
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:19.119
hospitality. The hospital is achro connective
deer is a cost connection of the dear

508
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.360
draft board letters and references in many
communications that alluded to the fact that the

509
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:27.679
killer was either dead in jail or
in the hospital. There's an inner hatred

510
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.800
for the VA hospital not being able
to help him. I think, I

511
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.119
mean, it's kind of the gist
of what I get when he's complaining about

512
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:39.239
being this control subject, if you
will, for these experiments. This is

513
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:44.159
true of the Letterman. Hospital nurses
and key punch operators. We missed you

514
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:51.039
last week, Harriet. We talked
about the key punch operators and the whole

515
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:53.159
punching that was done in some of
the communications. What type of a key

516
00:41:53.199 --> 00:42:00.599
punch operator is that? Referring to
well, hear it, go ahead,

517
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:07.000
do you want to answer that?
Wasn't the key punch operator? One of

518
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.079
them supposed to be one of the
nurses that got killed. But what is

519
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:20.280
operator? What? They're in computers? They're in a system. Punch cards,

520
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.400
they talked about IBM. Punch cards
were the way they held data.

521
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:29.000
In the old days. You had
a punch card which held the pertinent information

522
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:34.840
on say a patient or something like
that, or a particular and hard there

523
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:39.760
were hard copies because data was okay, okay, I'm sorry to cut you

524
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:43.679
off, Terry, but we we
talked about it being IBM last week.

525
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.119
I just wanted to move forward.
I wanted to know what Harriet's take was

526
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:54.039
on it. So, what's that
the hand I'm sorry, I just right

527
00:42:54.079 --> 00:43:00.920
about IBM key punch operators and all
that. Yeah, I leave the system

528
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:08.559
that Nixon used in his level office
head IBM computers. Oh right, yeah,

529
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:12.840
Well, so it says this is
true of the Letterman Hospital nurses and

530
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:16.559
key punch operator deaths, which also
include the Sacramento nurses and Donna Lass who

531
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:21.440
initially came from Letterman General but ended
up in South Lake Tahoe. There were

532
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:23.800
also a series of killings I have
yet to bring up where the bodies were

533
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:28.840
dumped within minutes of another veterans hospital, which I'm still working on as well.

534
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.079
And thanks to YouTube person who put
up their decoding of the letter because

535
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:37.000
it gives one more method that was
used in coding during this time and between

536
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:42.400
Swearing and Harriet, the decodes have
yielded amazing messages never heard before, but

537
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:46.400
right in line with what we know
or believe is going on. The infighting

538
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:51.000
makes the most sense for the decoded
messages. This means the person who committed

539
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:53.719
this crime was well aware of the
FBI tactics and their abilities, and that

540
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:59.079
they were in fact experts in the
Playboy magazines and knew them in and out

541
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.960
enough to be able to recognize the
fonts that were used, or we are

542
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:06.519
just touching the tip of what this
was really about and what was it was

543
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:12.159
really meant to be. So holding
up with all the images posted though I

544
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:15.519
want to, I asked Terry B
to hold up on those postings. I

545
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:20.880
want to use up my free space
that I pay for. I think I

546
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.800
was getting ready to like cross that
level where once I put up too many

547
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:29.559
more things, they were going to
start charging me for images and things that

548
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.159
I'd put on there, and said, I need the right information put up

549
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:37.000
for us start with the handwriting examination. I don't want to put the horse

550
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.480
before the cart, and I certainly
have worked for too long on these things

551
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:44.639
to have the easiest obvious stuff pulled
out before I'm ready to discuss the validity

552
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.159
of the fines that I have long
since made. So that was kind of

553
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:51.519
just the gist, and then I
went into what I said was matching.

554
00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:54.760
And so this list now is on
top of what Terry had found. What

555
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:58.559
I can say that is a match. Jack was a smoker. Clue to

556
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:01.199
Raleigh cigarettes. Bourbon was his drink
of choice. Clue to the drink Cooper

557
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:07.320
had on the flight attashe was a
well used word in the Riverside Phantom Crimes,

558
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:08.719
and you were right, Terry,
you pulled that out and said you

559
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:13.760
didn't recall that that was actually in
the Kern letter in nineteen forty seven.

560
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:19.000
The real estate lady that he killed
during the Black Dahlia era of murders,

561
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:24.760
he used the word attashe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So

562
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:30.960
let's see. And the FBI believed
the Zodiac suspect of many homicides up and

563
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:35.719
down California, predicted his future crimes
to what degree they hadn't said, But

564
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:39.000
this is right up the alley of
predicting crimes, because this is in nineteen

565
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:44.960
seventy one, and then in nineteen
ninety six with John Benny Ramsey, we

566
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:49.159
see attashe again, the clip on
tie. I'm not sure what type of

567
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.480
Jack war. I've looked at his
pictures to see if I could kind of

568
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:54.719
determine or tell whether or not it
was a clip on. I wasn't able

569
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:59.519
to determine that. I might go
back and try and take another look matches

570
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.639
versus a lighter I gleaned actually career
killers, which is what Terry found.

571
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:08.280
I also recognize that Jack's moos to
give everything to everything, to possible,

572
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:14.480
to possible meanings. Man and Beast
is the Zodiac four eight cipher foot and

573
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:19.079
wig AD is the disguise. Jin
AD in the Hourglass is a time reference.

574
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:23.519
Joan Bias is military training Encyclopedia AD
meant that they were well read.

575
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:30.119
The tire AD with masked police officer
is a Western state and mask equals tech

576
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:35.760
Sarcana and Zodiac. Magnavox's AD is
a radio and TV Jack was the Ham

577
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.760
radio operator and every letter he has
meanings related to it, just as the

578
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:46.360
letters are decoding now for the Latin
origin that Harriet had found. The the

579
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:52.519
war's profile is the liquor AD and
the Professor or Lawyer Association. I'm not

580
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.280
really sure where I put that one
yet, probably leaning more towards the wars

581
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:05.519
versus the the liquor ad, I'm
sorry, or the Professor or Lawyer Association.

582
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:10.480
The system that beats the system.
This is actually this is actually a

583
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:16.559
statement made by dB Cooper in one
of his communications, and we have the

584
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:21.400
infighting of the FBI and the CIA
going on at this time. The Medico

585
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:27.360
lighter AD matches used by suspect or
as Terry B and I seen The Career

586
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:32.639
Killers Everything You Wanted to Know About
Television by Ben Masslink. The incorrect dB

587
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:37.440
Cooper reference. I'm not sure what
that one meant yet. Maybe you're taking

588
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:42.400
a little too much of a chance
on love giving too much info. The

589
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:46.480
Lazy Pipe tobacco and Playboy advisor the
cigarette smoker Ralli's It would be nice to

590
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:51.639
know what kind of cigarettes Jack was
partial to, but I never found that

591
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:54.760
out. The suspect followed the news, what was publicized, what was not,

592
00:47:54.960 --> 00:48:00.559
and what was incorrect, just as
stated by the FBI composite wrong.

593
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:02.840
So we are seeing him follow it
and then we're seeing him correct it,

594
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.039
just like the Zodiac did. At
that point, I said, I'm done

595
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.199
for now and I must stay on
track with the grounding efforts. So back

596
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:14.079
to the Zodiac handwriting. One more
thing. The Blue Oh from the Playboy

597
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:19.239
cover in July nineteen seventy is a
woman upside down underwater, and the image

598
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:23.079
almost makes it look like she has
passed away, that she is drowned with

599
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:28.079
her eyes wide open. This gave
me an eerie sense of the female waterway

600
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.280
dumps that are so connected in many
of the crimes right down to the mescaline

601
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:34.519
murders. Well, that leaves us
for the last sixty seconds. Hear you,

602
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.559
guys, If you have something quick, please add to it, otherwise

603
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:43.360
we have to sign off. Lazy
pipe tobacco. That to me could means,

604
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:47.000
you know, either marijuana or heroin
or something like that. You know.

605
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:54.639
Yeah, anyways, did you have
anything to add? Harriet? My

606
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:59.519
birthday weekend and it's going to snow
here, so I'm going to have a

607
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:12.719
happy birthday, haesday to you.
What's that? She's also like your birthday

608
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month, Jerry? Yes, it
is the six all right. Well you

609
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guys everybody have a wonderful weekend.
Take care. We'll see everyone next week

610
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:28.519
and thank you guys for being here
once again. Love you guys, Bye

611
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bye. Stop flipping off, Mark