Conclusion of Lake Berryessa, Jack’s Life, and Paul Stine

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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Road Jack Finding the Zodiac. I
have some YouTube comments we're going to start

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out with this morning. We're going
to have Nolandale Campo back with us.

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Today. We'll be looking at the
balance of the evidence that I have researched

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on the Lake Berryessa murders, and
then we're going to move into some information

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about Jack himself and then hopefully into
the Stein murder. So basically, this

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last week we had some extremely interesting
people shouting out on YouTube in regards to

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the presentation, and of course one
of them he said he goes by the

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name at Free Hong Kong. He
says Jack is not the Zodiac with a

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smiley face, which I got.
I found a little comical. I giggled.

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Basically, I asked him, though, is that because he believes that

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somebody else is or that despite the
evidence against Jack, is there something that

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he has or some type of specific
exculpatory evidence that would allow us to exclude

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Jack as a possible suspect. And
I didn't get a response. I thought

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it was cute because I asked him
as that, why you didn't take the

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time really to come here and tell
me Jack's not it? Clearly you can

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see I've put a lot of work
into this and you must have something a

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little more for me. But I
never got a response to that. We

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did get another YouTube comment from Marvel
Hermit and he said the frame of reference,

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there is something strange about the zodiac. After years of study, it

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still eludes me. It doesn't add
up. On one hand, it's maniacle,

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yet the others severely calculated. Why
the phone booth? Why call it

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all the ciphers? Why even bother? If it's simply hate, we are

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dealing with a very high profile individual
in an esoteric society. That's my opinion

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to date. I found that that
was extremely astute, since I myself have

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thought that there was something far more
calculated behind these murders than simply somebody running

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out and hating the world and killing
people just so that he can write to

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the newspapers and call out people in
political instances and other things of that notion.

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So we're going to talk a little
bit about that when we climb back

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into the evidence from Lake Berryessa.
But I did also have one other comment

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from Moonlight, who noted in one
of my videos that she had noticed Jack

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was listed as a light truck driver
in the fifties on his military records for

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his civilian occupation. I didn't really
pick up on that before. I always

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thought the light truck driver was a
statement that he made for the first three

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years before the I'm sorry, the
three years previous to him entering the military

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for the first time, which I
really kind of just related to the bootlegging

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he was doing, and of course
he wasn't going to say bootlegging on that

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particular application. But so she noted
that he is listed as a light truck

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driver during the fifties and so he
is most likely transporting supplies as an AI

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technician. Now, I'm not sure
where she gathered that information from, but

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it is an interesting one because she
goes on to say, this is what

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is making him so mobile for the
military through the States. That could be

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a very good Paul possibility. Honestly, I hadn't contemplated whether or not he

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if he was a light truck driver, who he'd be driving for, or

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what the territory was that he might
travel or cover as that light duty truck

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driver. All we know is is
that she keeps making relations to these murders,

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missing people, and bodies to very
or at least close proximity to military

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bases all over the United States.
And I do agree with her that yes,

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many of these are within minutes or
the evidence in these crimes are actually

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tied back to those particular like the
military boots or the AMMO that's used.

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These things are all being tracked back
to military installations as well. So that

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was a very very good catch,
and we might have to do some research

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into what he was doing as a
light truck driver, so that I'm gonna

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bring back on Noland Campo. Is
he still with us? Oh? Yes

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he is, Yes, good morning. So last week when we left off,

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we were talking about the Deer Lodge
prison in Montana, and I had

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briefly kind of gone over some of
the wardens doings there. He was pretty

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much running it as his own estate, and you know, catering to politicians

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and high profile people and using the
military as his own personal farm, and

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all kinds of you know, crooked
things, as we suspect. I did

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note that, and I think this
is the reason why I brought it in

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after looking at that, because not
obviously predated the murders of about thirty years.

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But I did see that there was
a retirement of the facility, and

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it stated that I guess three point
eight million dollars had been solicited by Governor

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Forrest Anderson to be used in the
construction of a new facility, and it

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states that the money didn't become available
till nineteen seventy three. But I thought

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that it was interesting to note that
if the Zodiac killer used that reference as

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an escape convict, he claimed he
was an escape convict and he had killed

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a guard at Deer Lodge in Montana, was that the push for them to

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get the funds approved for that new
facility, Because then it only goes on

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to say, so it doesn't tell
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it says the funds did not become
available until nineteen seventy three, which is

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roughly three years after these attacks.
If that was following this political murder spree,

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that I believe that Jack is on
facilitating different agendas politically speaking, would

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be why he would use the newspapers
to get it obviously around to everyone,

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but also to assist in getting their
agenda done. I guess if you will,

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does that make sense? Yes?
Um? What communication was it that

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referenced the deer lodge in Montana?
He spoke, He spoke that directly to

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Brian Hartnell and Cecilia Shephard. So, okay, right, right, we're

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going to get into that because I
because Hartnell lives, and so Hartnell is

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the one that tells the story.
But did he mean for Harnell to live?

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And was he dropping that on purpose? Yeah? Exactly see, And

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that's that was a good question by
Terry Bacher as well as he stated,

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why use a hood if your intention
is to go in to kill these people?

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You don't anticipate you're going to be
seen again? Right, I mean

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you're thinking you're going to kill these
people, they're going to be dead.

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He also mentioned that he had strategically
stabbed Cecilia so many times but missing all

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the major arteries, so technically she
survived for a bit too. She also

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gave a statement, Wow, it
wasn't just heartnell she vibed at least to

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the hospital was capable of giving a
partial statement, which I think we're going

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to cover here in a minute.
But like you just said, why the

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hood, why make these mentions if
they're neither here nor there. I mean,

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it's not like he's looking to make
small talk. He's here to kill

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you, right, I mean that
would be the idea, kill her anyway,

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right. And again, so there
was always this underkill on the males.

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I mean, we had two males
survive and ultimately all the females he

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attacked that had passed. So maybe
it is in tandem with getting that message

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out there again through the newspapers.
And it did make the newspapers if the

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Dear Lodge Montana was actually talked about. They did find that the statement that

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the Zodiac made was false, So
again, why make it unless there is

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some agenda behind making it? So
that's why I look this stuff up.

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I also noticed that they gribed something
called con Boss and this guy Jerry Miles,

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who was actually born Donald Groat,
and I actually found a connection to

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Groat and Channel nine News, So
I don't know if there's some much connection

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here. Again, everything seems to
be just a couple degrees apart. But

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basically Jerry Miles did he after getting
out of prison the last time in Atlanta,

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Georgia, he moved specifically to Montana
because he heard that the system,

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or the penitentiary system there was known
for having conbosses. So basically you were

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like the mob inside the prison running
things. Wow. So he did what

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he could do. The second he
got out of Atlanta, Georgia penitentiary,

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he caught a bus to Montana,
and then he committed a burglary within a

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few miles of the penitentiary, and
he found himself thrown back in and he

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becomes the conboss of the garment shop. It says due to his experience in

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some more places in other penitentiaries around
the country and the notoriety of his experience

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in the USP Atlanta, Leavenworth and
of course at Alcatraz, so he also

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spent some time at Alcatraz. It's
very worring, right, and he actually

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being placed in these different facilities for
a purpose. Well, he definitely.

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I don't exactly, I don't know
that he was purposely put in the other

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ones, but it definitely says in
this article that he specifically heard about the

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ability to become a comboss and he
even when he was in the other penitentiaries,

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he would purposely commit other crimes while
he was in so that they would

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keep him and he could keep running
things. Yeah, very very weird.

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Yeah, I guess that that's your
society. You ultimately would learn to live

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in it and not want to leave
it. It's all you know, So

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you keep committing crimes so that you
keep getting more time. But interesting that

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he noted that he could get into
this place and run it. And maybe

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there's a connection between the people running
the facility and the cons too. Why

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don't let anyone rise to the top? I mean right, right, And

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and that's why I said it was
interesting that the last name Groat was also

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a connection to the Groat family,
and one of them was a major either

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reporter or news anchor or something for
Channel nine News, and the Zodiac wrote

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Channel nine News. I was like, whoa, Yeah, that's a little

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eaky. Anyways, so it says
that he went he went into this particular

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penitentiary in nineteen fifty eight, and
if he rose to conboss of the garment

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shop, I'm sure he was there
for years, not you know, momentary.

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Yeah, So just to people aside. Years ago, I had a

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case in Yellow County and my client, his nickname was Bam Bam. He

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was Arian Brotherhood and we went to
court one day and we're leaving courton bail

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Off pulled me aside. He says, you know, he runs the jail,

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the Memroe Detention Center. The criminal
my client, Jambi Brotherhood guy.

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The sheriff told me that he ran
the jail. Wow. Yeah, So

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it's definitely an inside system, and
I suppose you can get a lot done.

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You have a lot of connections with
criminal types, some that are coming

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in, some that are going out, and those that no others on the

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outside that can get things done for
you. I mean, you've often heard

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that the mob, even though they
were in prison, was still running their

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entire business from inside. Oh yeah, all right, well enough on that

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horse. Anyways, if he went
in in nineteen fifty eight and by nineteen

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seventy three they are finally given it
sounds like it took some active colundters to

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get this money to them, and
it may very well have been the statement

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that the Zodiac made. Even though
what the Zodiac said was false and was

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proven to be false, no guard
had been killed at at Deer Lodge,

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and nobody had escaped within the timeframe
in which he stated. So let's go

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back, let's go ahead and put
up that presentation and we will move on.

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So this is out of Dennis Kaufman's
book. This is his take on

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it. I know that he had
been given, you know, specific information

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by the FBI, more than I
had myself. I never really kind of

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looked into the actual murders or questioned
or asked for any evidence or you know,

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what they had on it. But
I'm pretty sure that Dennis probably did.

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And so he had some interesting takes
that I hadn't heard before, and

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I thought it would be interesting to
read. And it says in August seventh

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of nineteen sixty nine, Zodiac writes
a three page letter to the Balleo Times

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Harold. This is the letter he
gives himself a name, Zodiac. So

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now we've got Dennis also confirming that
he self named himself the Zodiac. That

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this wasn't a media hype. September
twenty seventh, nineteen sixty nine, Cecilia

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and Shephard and Brian Hartnell was having
a picnic at Lake Berryessa. During their

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picnics, Cecilia noticed a man in
the distance standing behind a tree. The

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man was a couple hundred feet away. The next time Cecilia noticed the man,

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he was only about twenty feet away
behind a large oak tree. Cecilia

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told Brian in a very alarming tone, look, that man has a gun.

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When Brian looked up, he noticed
a big black figure coming right at

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them. The man had a black
mask that was squared on top, and

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on the front side of the mask
that hung down over his chest was a

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cross circle. The man was also
carrying a gun. As the black figure

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stood over them, he began to
talk. Brian could notice that the man

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had a pair of glasses underneath the
mask. The man's gun appeared to be

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a forty five cow. At first, Brian thought that it might be a

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joke, but it was not long
before he realized it was not. The

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man talked in a slow, monotone
voice. He said that he just escaped

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out of prison and he needed their
car to go to Mexico. Now,

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I've been talking about this Mexico reference
since the Lipstick killings back in nineteen forty

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five. There's always been this reference
by these killers about Mexico, going to

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Mexico, work in Mexico. So
I thought it was interesting that not only

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did he talk about it having escaped
from a prison, but he's talking about

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where he's going, which is kind
of I saw it in Black Dahlia,

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I saw it in Lipstick, were
now seeing it in the Zodiac. We're

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going to continue to see the Mexico
reference. It says Brian remembered that the

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man wore a lightweight blue black windbreaker
over a reddish black wool shirt. And

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some of these details are far more
details we've ever been given. They're not

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even in the ripports from Brian Hartnell
that we read to the investigating officers says

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the man's hands were hidden by black
gloves, So this is the second time

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we're hearing that gloves were involved.
Gray Smith's interview of Brian Hartnell indicated they

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were black gloves too. However,
in the initial interviews with the police officers,

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Brian said he didn't remember and didn't
see gloves, so there was no

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thought gloves were involved at that point, and so fingerprints probably or some type

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of fingerprints might have been left behind. But now we've heard twice, both

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by Gray Smith and now by Dennis
Kaufman, that he was in fact wearing

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black gloves, and it says and
he had on old fashioned pants, baggy

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peated pleaded slacks. Brian described his
height to be at least five foot ten

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and his weight around two hundred and
twenty five pounds. The man ordered Brian

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to lie face down on the ground. I'm going to have to tie you

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up. So these I'm going to
have to statements also kind of allude to

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what you were talking about, Nolan. It's odd that he would make references

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to something that he didn't anticipate these
people would repeat the fact that he has

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to tie him up. Is almost
like the black doll you being justified,

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or retribution, or the things that
he talks about, as if these are

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jobs that he has to do,
not something he wants to do. He

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says, I'm going to have to
tie I'm going to have to tie you

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up, he said. Brian refused
it first, but then he complied,

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not wanting to take a chance on
getting them both shot. The man told

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Cecilia tie the boy up. He
handed her a piece of rope and she

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tied him up real loose. The
man then tied Cecilia up and then tightened.

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Brian's wrote the couple later on the
ground hog tied and helpless. Brian

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felt at this point that something serious
was going to happen. The black hooded

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figure said, I'm going to have
to stab you folks again. Here's a

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going to have to statement. Yeah, and isn't that the four different things?

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It's like a gun, knife,
wrote water fire, But yes,

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you're absolutely correct, right, and
that all present? No fire, oh

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fires, the other one fire okay, yes, yeah, but that I

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think that was his MS. I
think he was stating that you could probably

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find murders that revolved around gun,
rope, fire, and knife, as

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if to say that you're not going
to find a similar mo for each of

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these crimes. But he's letting you
know he is responsible for all of these

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different types of crimes. And there
is evidently some indication that there were some

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teenagers that were set on fire.
I do show some in the seventies,

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I believe at a yogurt shop in
Texas when Norah left Jack, and Jack

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went back to Texas to be with
his mom. There happened to be Right

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after Jack went back to Texas,
there happened to be some teenagers in a

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yogurt shop that were killed, piled
on top of each other, and then

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set on fire. So I might
ask Moonlight, she's the one that brought

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that up. Which one's here?
I think in California? She believes were

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set on fire, But there was
some, so let's see here, says

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Brian felt at this point that something
serious was going to happen. The black,

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hooded figure said, I'm going to
have to stab be folks. Brian

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asked the man to stab him first, because he couldn't stand to see her

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get stabbed. The man did just
that. He raised his foot long knife

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and began stabbing Brian in the back. Blood was scoring out of Brian's back

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as the man stabbed him. Brian's
blood covered Cecilia as she began screaming.

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Brian knew his only chance of survival
was to play dead, and that is

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what he did. Cecilia, terrified
knowing what was about to happen to her,

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frantically tries to get away, but
there is no chance. When the

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man thrust the knife into Cecilia,
he broke ribs. After he stabbed her

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several times in the back, he
turned her over and stabbed her once in

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each breast, once in the growing
area, and once in the abdomen.

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So again, here's additional information we
did not find in the crime scene reports.

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But I'm sure there must be the
pathology reports or the autopsy reports that

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would have discussed or showed this.
I've just not seen these to know whether

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or not this information is correct.
I just can't imagine that Dennis would write

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it unless he had been told it
at some point in time. Yeah,

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and that's like specifically targeting certain areas
of the body too for a reason.

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Right, Well, black Dahlia was, her breasts were cut, her growing

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area was yet all of that was
pretty much similar. And we do know

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that per Graceness book that he told
the couple at Lake Barriessa time is short.

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So there's that reference back to black
Dahlia Elizabeth short in the whole scheme

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of that connection between communication. So
we see time is short in the Sherry

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Joe Bates and time is short now
in the Lake Barriessa. So again I

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think It's just that connectivity of the
statements and again communication. Can you continue

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on? He says. At one
point, the man stabbed her in the

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chest and thrust the foot long knife
it's full length. The more she fought,

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the more man stabbed her. Finally, the man stood up and walked

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very casually across the peninsula to his
ice blue two doors Chevy and Paula.

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I don't know where he gets that
information at me, because obviously nobody saw

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the two door Chevy and Paula parked
at this location where they were killed.

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I don't know if this is just
his improvisation at this point, because I

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also have questions about the ice blue
Chevy, which we'll talk about. But

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it says and he put the hood
and bloody knife in his front seat.

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Again, how does he know this? He then walked over to Brian's car

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and wrote a message on his door
with a black felt tip marker. He

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wrote the dates of the Valleo murders
and wrote the current date September twenty seven,

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sixty nine at six thirty by knife
at the top of the message.

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He was a cross circle. Brian
was able to maneuver down to where he

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could use his mouth to untice Cecilia. It was difficult with all the blood,

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but was able to free her.
She gained consciousness long enough to untie

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Brian, which had to have been
difficult in her weak condition. Brian's intention

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was to crawl for help, but
he was not able to get far because

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he had lost so much blood.
A man and his son were fishing that

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day out of a boat when they
heard the cries for help. When the

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man and his son got close enough
to see the awful sight, they decided

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not to go any closer. Instead, they went to Rancho Monticello, which

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was two miles away, to get
help. Park rangers Dennis Land and William

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White were three miles away in their
patrol cars when the call came over the

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radio. When Brian saw the man
and his son leave, he figured that

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no one was going to come,
so he started crawling towards the road.

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Brian had made it about three hundred
yards when help finally arrived. Cecilia died

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that night at the hospital. So
see she was still alive and capable of

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giving some sort of a statement.
She had just lost too much blood,

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he said. Brian managed to survive
the attack one hour and ten minutes after

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the attack, the phone at the
NAPO police department rang. It was a

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man reporting the attack at Lake Berriessa. The man told officer David Slate,

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I want to report a murder,
no, a double murder. They are

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two miles north of Park headquarters and
they are in a white Volkswagen Karma Ghiah.

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Where are you, asked David Slate. I'm the one who did it,

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said the man. When the police
trace the phone call, it had

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been placed from a pay phone right
across the street from them. So the

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NAPA car wash, which I would
just have to go back and check the

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sea because back in my days of
living there, I'm not sure that I

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knew where the police department was,
but it says across the street from them.

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This is quite like another crime where
a body had been laid out within

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eyeshot of the police department, it
says from them, and the phone was

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still off the hook. It appeared
the Zodiac targeted young couples in remote areas

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until his target suddenly changed, and
that brings us to this. So I

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don't, like I said, I
don't know if the napacar washes directly across

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from the police department. I'm sure
it has moved several times. I would

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have to look up and go back
to see where they were during that time

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frame, but I don't doubt it. Again, he seemed to have had

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more information that he was able to
give in response to what occurred that day

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on the beach with this couple than
I've read in Gracemiths book or seen in

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the Foyer reports. Again, I
know that he worked closely with the FBI,

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so some of this information must have
come from there. This next slide

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actually is showing that Ice blue two
doors Chevy and Paula right here behind Jack

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and Nora. I do see it
later in some camping pictures with them,

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so I know they had it for
quite some time. But this picture right

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here is from nineteen seventy one.
And I keep kind of getting some feedback

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from Moonlight in regards to the Ice
Blue Chevy be Nora's, and she had

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mentioned I think I caught in one
of the emails that it was registered to

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Nora. I don't have any registration
paperwork that shows that it does, but

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this means that that ice Blue Chevy
was not available to Jack until nineteen seventy

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one, because he didn't meet Nora
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Um, yes, yes, so
this is them meeting and dating for

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I guess the first time before getting
married and all of that stuff. But

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Dennis's recollection of Jack having a nice
blue Chevy, if it is true that

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this was registered to Nora, then
Jack didn't have that access. Not that

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that means anything to mean it's neither
here nor there, because a we have

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a different suspect that cited in this
chevy doesn't look anything like what is produced

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by Brian Hartnell in regards to the
Zodiac. Likely that the person in that

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blue Chevy was just out for the
day with bow killing time or being a

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perv and staring at girls. Who
knows. Either way, it doesn't It

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doesn't preclude Jack from having committed this
crime. Since nobody knows what vehicle this

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the suspect was driving, and I
did not see any reports of that vehicle

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being parked there or that they had
witnessed it being parked there when the murders

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occurred. I did do some quick
look up. I just wanted to see

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what was going on in politics in
nineteen sixty nine, so I looked up

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the Clintons, and we see that
Hillary has already made a name for herself

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before entering Yale College where the school
and bones Bush comes from, Scroll and

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key Meyer and Woolworth, all of
these things having some type of a play

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in here with the Zodiac and the
Wolfshead societies are discussed. She took she

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took on Senator Edward Brooke of Massachusetts, first elected black Senate member Republican who

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disagreed with Nixon and was investigated by
John Kerry, and we see that the

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Zodiac mailed a letter to Massachusetts.
Clinton was originally backing Republican views, which

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is very interesting until we see her
get involved with Watergate. And even more

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interesting is that Hillary Autumn Clinton is
from park Ridge, Illinois, ten miles

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from Edgewater, which lipstick killings occurred
in Edgewater, and sixteen miles from Chicago,

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Illinois. So Martin I showed that
Martin Luther King Junior was born in

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the Atlanta, Georgia and died in
Memphis, Tennessee, and was of Irish

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ancestry. Zodiac killed in Georgia,
and there's a letter mailed to Tennessee and

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Massachusetts. So again some more connectivity
with these political happenstances. And again my

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political inclination comes from the ghost poem
that we're going to see in the future

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from the Atlanta, Georgia Childbirds,
where he says they're politicians running around with

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their heads cut off like chickens.
It sounds to me like the Zodiac is

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making some statement in which he believes
there's reason for politicians to fear him.

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Here we have a picture of Jack
in nineteen sixty nine in Sunnyvale with the

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family. So I had been told
before that, oh no, Jack was

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not even in California in nineteen sixty
nine. Well that is obviously now disproven

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by the fact that we have pictures
with him in the family in Sunnyvale.

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And of course Sonnyvale is where he
eventually moves back to or at least with

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his no address, running around in
this this bus after he divorces or I'm

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gonna say divorces separates from Doris Reynolds. So we definitely have positive identification of

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Jack back in California during this time. So the secondary composite on the Lake

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by Lake Berryessa case is this individual
that Dennis has likened to his brother.

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So it is an eerie coincidence that
there is a considerable likeness of this particular

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composite and Danny Reynolds or I'm sorry, Danny Terrence. But as we look

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at this, I get to see
up here in the left hand corner,

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now I've turned this picture is actually
turned sideways or rotated counterclockwise to look at

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this initial composite that's up here,
which was of that second suspect. So

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it looks to me that for the
Lake Barry SA murders, they were likely

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trying to hone in on this particular
individual as the possible suspect. And we

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see how these particular composites have evolved
all the way to the one from the

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Napa County composite right here, which
appears a little more clearer and not so

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rudimentary. When I lined those up
with Dennis, Yeah, Denny Terrence,

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we can see why Jack or Dennis
Kaufman thought that there was some similarity.

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Has the tight, small lips,
he's got these little round eyes or not

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round more more more squished and slanted
eyes. He claimed that Denny also had

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a scar on his forehead, which
was identified by and I don't know the

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girls that actually witnessed this individual stated
that he was some yards off, so

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I don't know how they had ever
even seen this scar on this individual's head.

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I would have to think that it
would be very bold, big scar

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for them to have seen it from
as far away as they stated he was

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watching them. But I did some
research on that too and going back and

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looking at it. Here's a picture
of Denny Terrence roughly in the Vietnam era.

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This is when he's in Vietnam,
so I'm guessing somewhere between sixty seven

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sixty nine for Denny Charles. I
showed Charles Terrence, Jack's brother, lived

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in San Jose, California, in
January of nineteen sixty eight, which is

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a great landing pad and possibly a
possibility that Flova, Jack and Don had

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used this address when they were living
in California before moving back to Texas.

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And I want to say roughly sixty
seven sixty eight. Jack and Don were

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supposedly in Austin, Texas at this
time, but they could have been using

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Flova and Scott's address as well.
I showed that circa nineteen sixty nine.

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Dawn actually, so here's Dawn down
here. This is Jack's youngest brother is

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also a likeness. I felt that
hair style, that curly wavy hair that

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brushes back, which is very similar
to what Denny Terrence had going on.

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I also threw up Jack's oldest son, Barry, but when I looked at

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that, Barry was born in nineteen
fifty two, would have made him roughly

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about seventeen years old, whereas Dawn, his younger brother, who seemed to

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idolize Jack and follow Jack wherever he
was, was actually born in nineteen forty

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one, which would have made him
roughly twenty eight. At the lake Barry

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Sa Murders, I thought that that
was probably more fitting of what the girls

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saw, because they stated that he
was somewhere between I believe mid twenties two

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thirty the individual that they had seen
stalking or watching them. I guess,

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if you will, so rets the
theory being, and maybe one of the

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sons was an accomplice at Barry Essa
well, I think he was trying to

406
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:09.799
tie together the ice blue Chevy as
if that might have been the lookout for

407
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.559
Jack. So we've got this individual
who's you know, cruising around and hanging

408
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.160
out waiting for the deed to be
done. But again, if Jack is

409
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:22.079
not with Nora, and this vehicle
is registered to Nora. Then this vehicle

410
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.240
wasn't the vehicle. It was likely
not the vehicle that was there at Lake

411
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:31.119
Berryessa. It's possible that Dennis confused
his memories because he knew that his mom

412
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:37.240
and Jack were together after that and
they that was a car that she maybe

413
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:42.720
he drove, until he just kind
of picked that vehicle. I don't know.

414
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:49.359
I think that obviously when you do
when you're four, you're not going

415
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.640
to know who owns what right?
I mean, do you really care what

416
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:59.359
right? And so? And like
I said, I have no indications that

417
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:09.559
that I slew Chevy was actually owned
by No did he. It must have

418
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:17.880
been a popular car, but again
we haven't. It was a super sport

419
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:27.319
too. Sounds to me like you
liked it. Again, No, I

420
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:31.480
don't. I don't see anything that
puts that that car at the crime scene

421
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:37.039
witnessed by someone. So again I
have to like set that one aside with

422
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:42.720
the the suspect that was viewed in
it. The car itself, just because

423
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:45.640
it was a strange thing that occurred
to somebody doesn't necessarily mean that there was

424
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:50.759
a crime being committed by that person. And until there was some witness of

425
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:55.240
this particular vehicle being at a crime
scene, um after seventy one with Jack.

426
00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:02.359
Then I don't really know that that
m Chevy lays much into Jack's involvement

427
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:08.320
in the Zodiac cases. But also
when I look at the possibility of the

428
00:34:08.840 --> 00:34:13.559
individual who would have been I mean, like I said, Dennis tried to

429
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:19.000
claim it was Denny Terrence that was
possibly the lookout and driving the blue Chevy

430
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:23.400
for Jack while Jack was, you
know, hunting his skill. When I

431
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:29.519
look at these pictures here of Denny, this is Vietnam, so this is

432
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:35.000
roughly the same era. Denny is
extremely skinny. He's not well built like

433
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.920
they described. He's not over two
hundred pounds. He doesn't appear to have

434
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:42.000
black hair by any means. I
mean, I would think in a black

435
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.960
and white photo would show up fairly
black, and up here we're not seeing

436
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:52.000
a whole lot of black either way. Again, like I said, very

437
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:57.159
very skinny, not the build.
So I almost want to rule Dennis's Terrence

438
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.639
out of this. And if there
was a possibility, I would think that

439
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.840
Dawn Terrence, Jack's youngest brother,
at the age of twenty eight, would

440
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:07.840
have maybe had a little bit more
weight on him, maybe being been a

441
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:15.519
little better built than this teenagist type
person we're seeing in Dennis Terrence. Either

442
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:19.639
way, there's some interesting things here
that I thought play right into this,

443
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.239
because then you kind of get a
sixth sense of who Jack was and how

444
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:28.719
he raised his family in these pictures. Danny rights, this is the weapon

445
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.679
I captured the day I shot the
gook. This is the weapon that I

446
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:37.199
could have cost my life because he
almost had it fired when I shot him.

447
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:42.000
So this is and then he says, this is my old faithful shotgun

448
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:46.239
the same day I got the gook. So clearly he is. And I

449
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:51.440
assume anybody who was willing to go
to warback then in the day of Vietnam,

450
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.800
we're probably racists, right, But
you're going there to kill the enemy,

451
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:58.800
you consider them the enemy, you're
going to talk badly about them.

452
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.400
Well, what was of the whole
process of convincing people to kill people they

453
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.119
didn't know? You dehumanize them and
you give them funky names, and they're

454
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:12.400
more like animals than people, so
it's easier to kill them. That makes

455
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.280
sense. Well, I don't think, yeah, I don't think that you

456
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:23.119
really had to convince this individual because
as you listen to this later and I'm

457
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.519
one of my theories is that he
was a helper, maybe an not a

458
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:32.719
barry as that, but I think
later he assisted Jack. Oh absolutely,

459
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:37.679
I think that. Here. I'm
gonna read this, Dennis puts in his

460
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:40.039
book. I remember reading a letter
that Dennis sent his dad while he was

461
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:44.480
in Vietnam. I don't remember the
whole letter word for word, but I

462
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.159
remember the last part of it very
well. Dennis ended his letter to his

463
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:52.880
dad Jack with Dad, I killed
sixteen goooks today, and you would love

464
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:57.960
it here because hunting season is open
all year. This statement that Dennis maiden

465
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.880
his letter to his dad establishes that
Dennis knows his dad likes to hunt.

466
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:07.199
Dennis clearly stated that he had killed
sixteen people that day. This clearly establishes

467
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.760
that humans are being hunted. This
indicates to me that Dennis knew his dad

468
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:15.280
liked killing people, because that's why
he said his dad would love it here

469
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:23.000
because you can kill people all year
long. It's that's just dekey, he

470
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:30.800
says. Denny must have liked it's
little reference to the most dangerous game too,

471
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:37.599
right, So that then then obviously
his son is well aware. I

472
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.480
concur with you. I think that
he was very much aware of what his

473
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:44.840
dad was into. Denny must have
liked it in Vietnam because he chose to

474
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.079
go back and do a second term. It was obvious it did not bother

475
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:52.039
Jack's son to kill, and he
may have even enjoyed it. Jack watched

476
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:54.320
his dad shoot a man over a
beer bottle. His dad only got a

477
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:59.039
four year suspended sentence. He did
not spend any time in jail for doing

478
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:05.559
so. So killing is in the
family. It's definitely something that and I

479
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:07.840
get it. When you're at war, that's what you're forced to do.

480
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:12.400
But Jack never had that opportunity.
In my take, every time he ended

481
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.960
up in war or got to go
somewhere, he never was actively in like

482
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:21.679
a war field where he was shooting
and killing and hunting people. He was

483
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:29.000
too valuable in other areas of life, all right. So here are some

484
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:34.639
additional pictures. We show again of
Jack's brother Dawn at a later time,

485
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:37.079
and with his wife and his mother
at this point in time, and then

486
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:43.079
we see all of the brothers and
sisters together at least minus the one sister

487
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.119
who had passed away at the age
of three. But this is the actual

488
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:50.760
family union or the sibling unit from
Jack's life. And from the left we

489
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:58.119
have Dawned to Chuck, to d
and then to Jack himself. Now d

490
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:01.760
quincillin, I'm not a stay.
Incidentally, she actually was. Um she

491
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:10.960
did several years I think for an
armed robbery. So nefarious things seemed to

492
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:16.239
occur. And evidently I was reading
some of the stuff that Dennis had said,

493
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:22.639
and and Jack's mom, Flova,
was a huge fan of um Bonnie

494
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:30.079
and who was the famous killers.
They were almost like the Robin Hood killers,

495
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:37.599
Bonnie and Clyde. Yeah, okay, so yeah, mom supposedly was

496
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:42.280
a huge fan of these individuals.
And then daughter goes out and commits an

497
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.440
armed robbery herself and gets her self
hemmed up and put in prison. Very

498
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:52.079
interesting family, and that brings us
to Steyn. We did make it,

499
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:57.880
yes, Um, I made myself
a note. I obviously didn't read research

500
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:02.480
info that Boston pde enters investigated.
Okay, so basically in the Foia files

501
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:08.400
we have the Boston Police Department entering
the Zodiac investigation, and I have made

502
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:13.519
myself a note to research that because
I'm not sure what occurred in Boston.

503
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:19.000
But why Boston, Massachusetts is picking
up or deciding to climb in would either

504
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:24.000
allude to that letter that was written
to the Massachusetts or written to Massachusetts from

505
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:29.039
the Zodiac Killer, or one of
the documents that are in the FOIA files

506
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:32.599
that was mailed. They might have
attributed to the Zodiac Killer. But we

507
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:37.199
do show that that was occurring by
October sixth of nineteen sixty nine, and

508
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:42.440
I don't believe that the Massachusetts letter
was mailed yet, so there must have

509
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.400
been some crime. I'm gonna have
to definitely research that. It looks like

510
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:52.159
there was some type of a crime
previous to Paul Stein's murder where the Boston

511
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:58.880
Police Department has decided to get involved
once or by October sixth of nineteen sixty

512
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:05.760
nine. That might be that's across
the country, Yeah, right right,

513
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:10.400
And that's early because I don't really
find that the the crimes that they start

514
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:17.639
bringing other jurisdictions in on actually occur
until the seventies. So very interesting that

515
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.320
we have Boston jumping on board at
this point. But it must have been

516
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:22.679
something I read in the FOIL file, so I'm gonna have to go back

517
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:29.639
to find it all right about both. He was shot behind the right ear,

518
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:34.480
point blank range. That's that's the
same shot that killed Robert F.

519
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.800
Kennedy point blank range, behind the
right ear right well. And then also

520
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:42.440
JFK was shot behind the right ear
as well. Right, I mean that

521
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:47.719
was long distance in the head.
I thought it didn't take off. Yeah,

522
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:53.000
let's see up here like near the
temple and forehead blew half his head

523
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:57.599
off? Yeah see, but wouldn't
that have come from behind for that to

524
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.480
happen? Like, oh, it
came from the front, Oh did it?

525
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:04.760
The people that trained blame it on
Oswald say the shots came from the

526
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.559
rear, and maybe some shots did, but the kill shots came from the

527
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.800
front. The shot to the next
camber to the front, and the shot

528
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:15.159
that they had came from the right
front, which is where the grassy knoll

529
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:20.480
is. Oh okay, now I
understand the grassy k reference. Right,

530
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:25.760
But Robert, sir Sir Hann was
in front of him and maybe to the

531
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:30.719
side, but never behind him.
But the shot that killed Robert was behind

532
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:37.119
the right ear, just like Paul
Stein. Gotcha, so distractory, look

533
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:39.519
over here, not over here while
we do what we do. Yeah,

534
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:45.239
and it was basically just one year
later and not too long after the Manson

535
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:52.280
murders, right right, all yeah, crazy things happening at once. So

536
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:57.559
on October eleventh of nineteen sixty nine, Paul Stein on Cherry Street in Presidio

537
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:01.199
Heights, San Francisco, California,
was shot by the Zodiac Killer suspect asked

538
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:05.599
to be driven to Washington and Maple, but for some reason Paul stopped at

539
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.039
Cherry Street. Suspects shot him once
in the head behind the right ear JFK

540
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:14.039
RFK connection. He tore a piece
of his shirt. Now, and of

541
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:20.000
course you know that Harriet Suchet believes
that Paul Stein is retribution for having killed

542
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:27.360
RFK. So it's it's, if
anything, very coincidental that he shot in

543
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:31.039
the same manner that RFK was,
if her if her solves are true,

544
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:37.000
right, yep, it's just a
different gun. But RFKA was killed with

545
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:38.960
the twenty two, which I think
you you told me, and I think

546
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:44.760
Dennis told me that that was Jack's
favorite weapon. But I think starting was

547
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.960
killed with the thirty eight, right
right, Oh, oh, I don't

548
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:54.119
know yet. It wasn't at twenty
two. It was a thirty eight or

549
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:58.320
forty five. I'm pretty sure it
was a thirty eight. Okay, maybe

550
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.599
I have some information in here on
it. He was actually killed with but

551
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:06.280
so suspects shot him once in the
head behind the right ear, tore off

552
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:09.679
a piece of his shirt to clean
out the cab. There were fingerprints palm

553
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:15.159
prints left at the scene. This
murder is on the murder map that was

554
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:19.920
delivered two Sandy Bets, and they
took his wallet and his taxi keys.

555
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:23.360
It shows thirty five to forty five
years of age. Oh, so this

556
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:30.440
is basically the descriptions of the Zodiac
killer. I wrote down thirty five to

557
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:32.840
forty five years of age, five
foot ten, one hundred and ninety pounds,

558
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:38.079
crew cut, reddish blonde hair,
eyeglasses with plastic frames, and paunchy

559
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:44.119
stomach, wearing a Parka type jacket, navy blue or black dark baggy trousers.

560
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.800
So they are now describing basically what
the description Brian Hartnell gave of the

561
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:53.480
Zodiac at Lake Berriessa. He would
have lost thirty pounds by witnesses identification,

562
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:59.039
so pants would he would have lost. I wonder where I got that information.

563
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.119
Some of the stuff is so old. I don't even recall writing it,

564
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:06.480
but he would have lost thirty pounds
by witness identification, so pants would

565
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.760
be baggy. It says someone calls
to report the shooting, but reports come

566
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:15.239
back, The reports come back that
a black mail is responsible to the officers

567
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:19.199
on duty. Dennis believes that Denny
made that call. So here's again,

568
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:24.559
Dennis Kaufman, believing that Dennis Terrence
is involved with what his dad is doing,

569
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:29.559
believes that Denny would have made that
call, but he made it too

570
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.519
early, which is why the Zodiac
was actually cited and could have been caught

571
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:39.840
police proceed I'm sorry, but as
you're pointing out that, why did the

572
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:45.599
cops when they had the description from
the kids that saw, you know,

573
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:51.039
the killer getaway walk away from the
cab, and they definitely identified him as

574
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:54.280
a white male description you've given,
why have the cops put out to the

575
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:58.960
other cops that it was a black
guy unless there was another call that came

576
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:04.440
in or theirs, which is too
early. But that doesn't make sense because

577
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:08.400
that, yeah, it just it's
kind of like you know, what happened

578
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:14.559
with RF Kayagan when the cop that
was there at the Ambassador Hotel that saw

579
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:19.960
these witnesses running away, you know, telling them about this woman who says

580
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:24.320
we shot him, and then they
put out an APB for the poke about

581
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:30.639
dress girl and a white male accomplice, and then they kill it about ten

582
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:37.119
minutes later, right, so disavoition
it. Yes, well, and that's

583
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:42.039
what made me wonder. So does
Jack have somebody in in the police department

584
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.039
And that's why he's writing the police
department on top of writing the newspapers because

585
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:50.519
he's got an in on both sides. Is was there a first phone call

586
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:55.119
that reported the blackmail? I you
know, again that brings into more question

587
00:46:55.239 --> 00:47:00.400
about the competency of the police department. If that was an accident that they

588
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:07.920
stated it, then it was a
major accident that kept the Zodiac from actually

589
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:13.840
being caught again. He even says
that he walked right by a couple of

590
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:20.039
cups and yeah, we know for
sure that he saw that he was seen

591
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:22.280
by the police officers. So for
these people who were out there trying to

592
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:27.480
change the narrative of the narrative of
this story now and act as though he

593
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.000
wasn't is completely wrong. There's far
too much information in the letter where he

594
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:37.400
talks about it that he was seen. He hopped himself over into the Julius

595
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.840
Khan Park and he sat there and
he watched them having their motorcycle races up

596
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:44.159
and down the road searching for him. And he even states had they not

597
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.440
been having their motorcycle races and their
fun basically and doing their jobs, they

598
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:52.039
would have caught him. Uh,
that's kind of a hit to the police.

599
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.800
Yeah, well, we are going
to definitely have to pick this one

600
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:59.199
up next week. I'm glad we
did make it to sign, but I

601
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.280
do have a lot of information on
him that we're going to cover as we

602
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:06.199
go through this presentation. And then
of course we have the Stein letter that

603
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:09.800
will cover and possibly have Harriett Suchet
back on to talk about her solve in

604
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:14.440
that case, because I believe the
Stein letter then alludes to the next victim,

605
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:19.400
which in the chronological basis of this
presentation, we will see that next

606
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:25.199
victim come into play. So thank
you so much. No One last point

607
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:31.440
after Stein. Yeah, San Franisco
Police Department basically usurped the investigation mainly was

608
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:36.239
Vallejo before that, and there was
only one murder San Francisco, well that

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we know of. There's probably more, but Stein was only known Zodiac murder

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in San Francisco, yet San Francisco
took over the investigation. That's been the

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strangest part that's been for me.
The biggest question is is how with the

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fewest amount of murders do they take
over the investigation and how at this point

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is it that the FBI doesn't actively
get involved with this with these cases because

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we now have a serial killer,
which that is obviously their jurisdiction. Anyways,

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that's something for everybody to think about. I hope you have a wonderful

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weekend. It's going to be hot, so stay cool, stay safe,

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have a happy Fourth of July,
and we will see you guys next Friday.

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Thank you, Nolan, thank you. Peace Out.