Conclusion of Lake Berryessa, Jack’s Life, and Paul Stine

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True Seekers and true crime Junkies back
with another episode of Hit the Road,

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Jack Finding the Zodiac. We are
going to look back again at Paul Stein's

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murder from the Zodiac Killer era of
nineteen sixty nine. We're going to view

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the letter that was written in in
regards to his crime, and we're going

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to talk with Harriet Suchet in regards
to her solves on those letters. Today.

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First, I'd like to welcome back
Nolan del Campo to the show.

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Good morning. Are you excited?
You know a lot about this case?

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Huh yeah. And I'm anticipating at
some point in time Harriet will be joining

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us by phone so that we can
cover those letters. I'm gonna go ahead

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and just hop right back into the
presentation at this point here and oh,

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hi, there. Good morning,
Yes, good Morner. Hey is that

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the great Nolan del Campo? Yes, yeah, good morning. I have

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I have no computer right now,
so I'm going to be definitely doing this

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only my phone, like like how
and we are the pros. I'll prompt

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you once we get there. Right
now, we were just getting ready to

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climb back into just the basic facts
of the case of Paul Stein. Um,

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just before we get to his letter. We're just going to cover some

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of that real quick, and then
we're going to get into the communication and

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your solves. Thank you so much
for being here with us today. I

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know that, Um, it's a
struggle when there's no computer available, so

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I really appreciate your calling in all
right, so right, go ahead,

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right, hopefully I have it all
up correct act, so we'll see where

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we go from there. Um.
It looks like that I made myself a

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note at the top of this to
research that the Boston PD has entered the

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investigation per the FBI FOIA files,
which, Um, do you have any

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idea why Boston PD would be involved? Harriet, Oh Boston, p Oh

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my god, that for some reason
has something to do. I'm seeing when

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I got into this in nineteen ninety
five Zodiacs Alive, and he's in Boston

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and he was sending some cryptic messages
to the Gardener Museums. So and then

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you also got some interesting things going
on. My solves go all the way

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back to their saying something about the
art back circa nineteen sixty nine seventy.

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Apparently the museum owed some people and
they needed to work out a deal to

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pay off people. So I mean, yeah, yeah, right, the

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Gardener Museum, when is that in
the eighties. That's officially starting circa nineteen

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ninety but according to Jack World,
they are people owed some money, some

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you know, lots of things to
getting helping presidents get in if I understand

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correctly, So it goes back years
actually, and then there were of course

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people who died over this, So
then that would be Boston PD saying,

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hey, we gotta find out who
killed Bobby Denati. So it like something,

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yes, we're gonna get to all
right on U in uh sir hands

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her hands scribblings in his notebook alleged
diary. It's crazy, and there's references

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to the Boston Strangler, and the
attorney for the Boston Stranger was I think

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defe Bailey, Oh, oh to
see later, what was that? I

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think he was Petty Hirstler later,
yeah, oh yes. It seems like

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they're all involved with these type of
individuals in these cases. So all the

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time, Melvin Belli and Bailey absolutely
all right. So on October eleventh of

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nineteen sixty nine, Paul Stein fell
victim to the Zodiac Killer on Sherry Street

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in Presidio Heights, San Francisco,
California. The suspect had asked to be

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driven to Washington in Maple, but
for some reason Paul stopped at Cherry Street.

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Suspects shot him once in the head
behind the right ear, which is

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a JFK RFK type connection. He
tore a piece off of his shirt and

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wiped down the cab. Now,
much of the information we're going to look

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at actually indicates they thought he was
using a handkerchief to wipe down the cab,

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but I believe in the end it
turned out to be a piece of

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full time Stein's shirt that he wiped
down to remove fingerprints or maybe even collect

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blood as evidence for it having ben
Paul Stein's shirt. Either way, he

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left a fingerprint and palm print I
believe left at the same This murder was

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also on the murder map that was
found in Sandy Bett's mailbox. They I

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have found information that says that the
wallet and the taxi keys have been taken,

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and I did not see anywhere in
the information unless you guys can tell

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me something different. Glasses were missing. I don't know about the glasses,

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but I think in but it says
that, yes, it was made to

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look like a robbery by taking the
wallet, but it was definitely wasn't a

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robbery. It was just a straight
murder, correct, correct. So that

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brings me back to since I cannot
and a lot of the information that I'm

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reading on it is that there was
blood congealed around where his glasses were,

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which would be an indication that his
glasses were on his face when he when

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he passed, and that blood pulled
around it, and then the cops removed

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those glasses in order to take pictures, and that's how he had the congealed

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circle around his eyes of blood where
the blood pulled up around his glasses.

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So if that's true, I guess
my point in what I'm getting to it

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right now, since we don't have
any evidence in any of the reports that

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supports the eyeglasses were taken. We're
going to presume that that congealed blood around

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where his glasses would have been would
have indicated that they weren't stolen. However,

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if you remember in the Deborah Perez
case, she claimed to have Paul

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Steyne glasses and they took her serious. So I want to know what's going

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on there, because they did testing
on those glasses as if in fact they

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had been taken. So I'm really
confused at this point as to whether or

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not they were there. They weren't
there, there's no reports of them being

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taken. And then later they're actually
giving credibility to Debor Perez and her group

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of cronies, which one of them
was a discord partner of Melvin Belli or

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really four World. I'm going to
go out on a limb and say that

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the glasses were taken as um as
proof that it was his, you know,

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knowing that you know, maybe a
particular blood type, and it was

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just you know, another way to
prove that, yeah, this is the

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guy that we were after, and
this is a guy we got. But

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there is no report. The reports
specifically say that they took his wallet,

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took his keys. There is no
mention whatsoever of having taken his glasses.

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Well, it wouldn't We're going to
go through that. It wouldn't be,

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but I'm saying it wouldn't be officially
as in the report, it would be

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for um. Whoever Jack was working
was saying, here, if we have

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here's evidence, here, you go
ahead and test these just to make sure

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we did get indeed the guy,
you know. And I'm just going out

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on LM there that that's no I
know. But what I'm saying is we

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don't want to dissway the public to
make them believe that they were taken,

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because we're not seeing any evidence whatsoever
that suggests that he did. And the

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fact that I just looted that he
had congealed blood around where the glasses sat

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on his face would be an indication
they were still on him. For that

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blood to have congealed in that position
means that his glasses were on him.

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So and the shoot works sat around
and waiting for the blood congail. The

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shoot got the hell out of there
exactly, so they weren't taken. But

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we're gonna I hope someone comments on
this particular episode and lets us know.

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Um, so basically, someone calls
to report the shooting, but the reports

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back that a blackmail is responsible to
the officers that are on duty, so

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they're looking for a blackmail when the
Zodiac walks right by them. I know

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that in Dennis's book, he believed
that Denny Jack's son had made that call,

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but he made it too early,
which is why the Zodiac was cited,

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and it was almost actually caught.
The police proceeded to question and pass

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up, pass up the Zodiac.
When the Zodiac said I saw a man

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waving a gun and running that direction, everybody pretty much shot off in the

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direction in which he pointed going after
this purported man. Composite sketch was given

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to SFPD from officers who realized that
they had stopped the Zodiac but had erroneously

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let him go. And it turns
out the call was made too soon,

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so and also Jack was dropped off
later than expected, so if he had

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an initial stop, and we're going
to read those reports, I have pretty

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much all of them in this presentation. And then of course, the Zodiac

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slips over the Parisidia Wall into Julius
Kahn Park and he actually sits there and

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watches the police search for him unproductively
throughout the night. Stein is actually one

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of three taxi cab drivers that are
killed during the reign of the Zodiac,

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or the time period in which I
believe Jack has actually been committing crimes,

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and that ranges from Los Angeles all
the way up to northern California. That

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doesn't necessarily mean there isn't other taxicab
drivers out there across the United States that

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I'm aware of that he may have
hurt. But again, this is back

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at this is hitting back at what
was one of the biggest unionized type businesses

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during that time. Correct, definitely
in San Francisco, That's where I'm from.

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I remember hearing it that all the
time. It was to go through

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particular channels to get into that union
to be a taxi driver, and you

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know, he had to go through
near the mayor's office, so it was

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like amazing, very close. Why
would Atcher put out the version of it

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being a blackmail over the version of
the eyewitnesses that saw a white mail and

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gave a pretty good description, Well, because here's what I think. I

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think another call was made. I
think there was a patsy call made to

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look for that black mail So while
we want to chastise the police department for

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having made a mistake and a call
out for a blackmail, what if the

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first phone call they received was not
from those teenagers, but in fact from

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someone else who reported a blackmail on
purpose. Or the teenagers had so much

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detail information right, they didn't talk
to them until after the fact, you

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know what I'm saying. They didn't
get questioned as to what they saw or

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what was going on until well after
the fact. So I'm thinking one of

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two things here. Either there's an
inside operative that made that call out to

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the police department police officers to distract
them and send them in the wrong direction,

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or someone else made a phone call
before the team did. And that's

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why. How about it was planned
that way because the thing that that helms

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was in on it, because they
were to make sure that they were to

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get this guy for what happened to
the Kennedys. That's assault that I have

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that's actually around nineteen sixty nine.
So so that would we would have to

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do a catch up show to to
follow that one up, you know,

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because I was amazed and so I
want people too much. But it was

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they were they were in on it. They they knew that there was a

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target. That's what I'm saying.
All right, Well, onto some more

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of the evidence. I am showing
some pictures here of paul Stein's shirt.

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We're also showing the piece over here
in the corner where that was actually ripped

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off from his shirt by the Zodiac
and then returned inside of one of the

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letters. And this is just an
excerpt from Dennis's book Really Quick. It

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says Saturday, October eleventh, nineteen
sixty nine, Zodiac completely changed his method

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of operation. In San Francisco,
Zodiac stopped a cab that was driven by

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a man named Paulie Stein. He
was twenty nine years old. Zodiac had

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the cab driver take him to Washington
Street and Cherry Street. When the cab

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came to a stop, Zodiac pulled
out his nine millimeter pistol, so now

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we know what size bullet he was
shot and shot paul Stein just in front

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of his right ear. His head
exploded from the compression of the blast and

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blood went everywhere. According to witnesses, Zodiac tore piece of paul Stein's shirt

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off and started wiping down the cab, and then he casually walked away just

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seconds after Zodiac walked away from the
crime scene, two patrol officers pulled up

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and asked him if he had seen
anything suspicious in the last couple of minutes.

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He said, yes, I saw
a man running with a gun,

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and the officers took off in that
direction. Two days after the murder of

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Paul Stein, Zodiac sent a letter
to the San Francisco Chronicle claiming responsibility,

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and inside the letter was a piece
of Paul Stein's bloody shirt. There was

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no out this was the work of
the Zodiac, and he in his book

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indicates that this was the last confirmed
murder of the Zodiac, And that is

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because I think they just stopped telling
the public what the Zodiac was up to

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and what he was doing. But
I believe that through this presentation, Weird

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going to show you there is a
heck of a lot more. He continued

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his communications. The numbers of his
victims continued to climb in those communications and

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ultimate to ultimately to a number where
he said, guess minus one hundred plus

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and leaving us to wonder exactly how
many, but somewhere around a hundred he's

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killed in California, And shortly after
Paul Starring was killed. There was a

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police officer killed in much the same
way, same mo as the Paul starring,

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except for you know, he wasn't
a passenger. But the I think

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the police officer, I know who
you're talking about, Yeah, writing a

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ticket like a parking tickets up and
the murderer walked up and shot him.

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And again they tried to blame black
people. And the interesting part of that

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is that the Zodiac in fact to
wrote in a letter stating, what in

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the world was that? I think
that was Harry. Oh, I'm here.

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I just had some funky sound come
in on this whole thing. Anyways,

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the Zodiac did in fact dating that
he shot a man in a parked

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car with a thirty eight. So
what I need to do is kind of

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round up that information and see if
that officer wasn't actually shot with a thirty

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eight or not. But I know
you're talking about he's in the presentation and

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I did link those those together because
of that. Now in Paul, in

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Stephen Dewhurst's book, we actually have
another version of how the events went,

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and he says the killer finally laid
a body at the feet of the San

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Francisco Police Department on October eleventh,
nineteen sixty nine, at about nine forty

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five pm, Paul Stein, a
college student who was putting his putting his

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way through graduate school. He didn't
write this correctly anyways. By driving a

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yellow cab at night picked up a
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intersection of Gary and Mason. Usually, it appears that Stein left let the

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fair sit in the front passenger seat, something he normally only did with people

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he knew, And that may add
to what you're talking about. If he's

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wrapped up Harriet in the middle of
these mob type affiliated happenstances that he may

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very well have known Jack Um usually
something of him, that's for sure,

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because Jack was apparently pretty good from
what I'm seeing, getting involved and you

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know, seemingly innocuous to a lot
of people. His face. Well then

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and then uh, you know,
maybe suddenly there he is, he's a

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passenger, and um, you know
he trusted him, so um anyways,

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that's that's a whole bunch of conjecture
right there, right Well then then um

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do Her book goes on to say
the fair then instructed Stein to drive himself

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to his own death. Stein's log
indicates that the fair wish to be taken

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to the intersection of Washington and Maple
Streets in San Francisco, a few miles

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away, possibly because the killer noticed
that there was a pedestrian near the intersection

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of Washington and Maple. Stein took
the fair up one block to Washington and

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Cherry. When they reached the destination
specified, the passenger shot Stein in the

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head with the nine millimeter pistol.
It was not the same pistol that had

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been used at Blue Rock Springs earlier
in the year. The killer took a

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large piece of Stein's shirt, his
keys, and his wallet. Pieces of

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the shirt would later be included in
the envelopes as an undeniable proof of who

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he was and used to authenticate his
later messages. There was a party going

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on upstairs across the street, and
some young people saw the aftermath of the

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crime from the window overlooking the street. Witnesses described the killer as thirty to

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forty years years old, with reddish
brown hair, and he wore glasses with

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thick plastic frames. They described the
killer as taking time to wipe down parts

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of the cab, presumably trying to
remove any fingerprints he had left behind before

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he calmly walked off into the night. The attack took place at a latitude

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of thirty seven point seven nine north
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four sixth west. And I know
that that plays into the radiance and they

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were really heavy about that back in
the day, but I'm not really going

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to cover a lot of information about
that. And I know, Harriet you

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have found some solves, right you
and Lauren Swarringham where latitude longitude played into

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this this killer spreeze. And I
think even Terry Bacher had had also correct

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Yes, I believe so, yes, Well, the San Francistrict, I

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just I'm trying to remember that.
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to have the exact latitude and longitude. It's almost like, you know how

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firefighters need to know exact latitude and
longitude where the ground zero was so they

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can you know, hit the target. So I think that that's where we're

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coming in from that. Well,
his base was Mount Diablo too, Jacks

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and the radians do play a big
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take place. Maybe that's why they
went to Cherry Street, maybe because there

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was a witness, but maybe the
exact latitude. Large dude was better with

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Cherry Street, and we do know
that me and we're talking one block off

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at this point. But literally,
the Radiant did fall right through Paul Stein's

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murder, just as it fell through
the rest of the murders that we've discussed

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so far that has been attributed to
the Zodiac. So he goes on to

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say and do her book. The
San Francisco Police Department commissioned a sketch of

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the suspect from eyewitness accounts and distributed
throughout California as a wanted poster. It

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was the poster that do Hurst had
seen on the wall of the River Pines

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Post Office. So I'm still wondering
at this point how the Zodiac is not

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covered in blood, because if we
look at the car, we see the

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mess that's occurred. We know that
he's sitting in the front seat next to

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Paul Stein win he shoots him and
blows his it off. How is he

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not covered in blood? And how
did the officers miss that? I'm I'm

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confused because they were in on it. They were in on it. Don't

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describe a guy that has one all
over him, just ribe a guy that

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they saw that looks like and and
O guy did that camp be him?

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I'm sorry for that. That's making
a lot of sense right there, that

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they did see him, but they
said no, who we saw was you

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know, anyways, we didn't want
a lot of people we're going to find

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making sense that that that they were
kind of well, that they were in

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on it, and there was a
purpose for Paul Stein's death. And what

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was that, Nolan, how do
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seated in the front seat and not
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I don't know where Dewhurst got his
information for that. I am really not

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sure how he and Dennis have some
of the information that they have. Um

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but he um, he wrote.
Let's see he said it appears, he

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said unusually. It appears that Stein
let the fair sit in the front passenger

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seat, something he normally only did
with people he knew. So either one

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of two things happened. The people
who were partying upstairs after hearing the gun

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shot looked down and saw him get
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Who knows, Ye never could have
jumped. He could have said, in

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theory, he could have said,
oh, I left something near the back

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seat. I gotta fell out and
then jumped in the back and then did

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it from behind. I mean,
I don't know that's a that Yeah,

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yeah, I don't know. I
do know that Dewhurst actually did some heavy

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research into this, and I know
that he talked to lots of different um

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law enforcement, including the FBI.
How we obtained that information, I have

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no idea, and maybe we can
find that in the reports we'll see.

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But one thing we do know.
He was shot behind the right here,

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just like Robert F. Kennedy.
Well it says in't front of the ear.

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So I'm not sure I'm going to
read these reports. And well,

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his book said that the passenger shot
Stein in the head with a nine millimite

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pistol. It was not the same
at Sea Blue ROCKSPRN blah blah blah.

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That might have been Dennis's book,
Paul Steyn just in front of his right

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ear. So again here's Dennis quoting
something he obviously learned during his research and

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time with law enforcement in the case. Again, I don't know. I

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don't know if my reports actively show
that, So it might be something that

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needs for the research. But that's
something somebody else could pick up on.

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I'm really not too interested in nailing
down. We know we was shot,

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we know we was shot in the
head, and we know that that was

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pretty much the Kennedy style assassination that
has occurred. So those things we can

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put together relatively easy, as far
as in front of the ear, behind

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the ear, either way, he
shot him for sure. So I also

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felt I also found a report that
indicated that the fingerprints that they took were

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in fact presumed to be the Zodiac's
fingerprints because they were left in blood.

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So that means that no other fingerprint
on the cab, unless it was in

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blood, was literally attributed to that
of the Zodiacs. So these are the

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actual fingerprints and poem print that they
pulled that I've got placed up here,

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and I started looking and reading the
reports, and we're going to discuss this

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a minute, but it appears as
though they flipped Stein over for these pictures,

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so he originally was hunched over,
I'm thinking, with his head in

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the floorboard, and we're going to
read that. But the Foyer report says

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that all of the latent prints in
our case were obtained from a taxi cab.

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The latent prints that showed traces of
blood are believed to be prints of

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the suspect. The latent prints from
right front door handle are also believed to

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be the prince of the suspect.
These prints are circled with a red pen.

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The other latent prints, any of
which are very good prints, may

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or may not be prince of the
suspects in this case. So we do

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know that they did achieve prints that
were in blood, and that would indicate

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that that was the killer's prince.
So I think that's fairly solid, all

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right. So here we go again. So if we look over here,

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we look up here, this is
the picture that everybody sees of him slumped

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on his back over the top of
the seat with his head and arm hanging

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out the door. And then just
below I found another picture where it shows

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he's actually slumped over in the actual
floorboard. So it's a good question.

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I'm going to read these reports and
we'll see where it goes from there.

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These are from Officer Armand Pelliseetti and
Officer Frank pet It's the San Francisco Police

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Department report on the Paul Stein scene. So it states victim picked up suspect

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that Mason and Gary Streets proceeded to
Washington and Cherry were suspect shot victim once

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behind right earnouncing now we got the
behind part all right. At contact range,

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suspect took victim's wallet, taxi keys, and tore a portion from the

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back of his shirt. Witnesses observe
suspect wipe down inside a cab with cloth,

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then walked nonchalantly away from the cab
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So now we have relation against the
military, which I've been discussing with

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this galn named Moonlight who emails me
quite frequently. A majority of these missing

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people and these found bodies all seem
to revolve around some type of a military

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installation within minutes of it, and
we're seeing that here again. Witnesses describe

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suspect as a male Caucasian thirty five
to forty five years, five to ten

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five foot ten, one hundred and
ninety pounds, crew cut, reddish blonde

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hair, eyeglasses with plastic frames,
wearing Parkatype jacket, navy blue or black

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dark baggy trousers, and a punchy
stomach. Weapon was a nine millimeter semi

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automatic, possibly new model Brownie UM
not same night. It's not the same

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nine millimeter that was used in the
fileto police department, and the ammunition again

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is a nine millimeter Winchester Western.
However, even if it's not the same

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gun, the same type of ammo
seems to be consistent with these murders,

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right, mm hmm, yep,
win Smith and West and Western M.

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I mean yeah, we yeah,
he's putting that in the letters, right,

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his choice of M. So it's
disturbing to see these two pictures next

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to each other, because that means
the cops move the body. You're not

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supposed to disturb a crime scene.
Well, and I'm a little concerned about

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the color of the seat. I'm
a little concerned about the color of the

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seat. If you notice that we
even need though that these pictures are purporting

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to be from that particular um crime
scene. The pant color is not the

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same, the seat color is not
the same. So I get rather confused

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about people putting things up on the
Internet and claiming that these are actual crime

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scene photos when I can clearly see
that there's differences. And this is my

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point, this is why I'm doing
this podcast, because they have misconstrued all

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the evidence. So badly that one
couldn't adequately obtain the information they needed to

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even make a good decision in this
case because they have mixed and meshed and

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mashed all kinds of things. So
I know, I know, I wanted

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to bring that up because we're gonna
hear something. We're gonna hear something in

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the foyer report that is going to
make this body look like it was what

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they will watch um evidence two portions
of vehicles are victim's shirt. Oh so

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two portions of victim's shirt white with
black stripe, and that's the evidence.

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UM hand printing latents nine nine millimeter
bullet and casing UM black leather men's glove

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size seven. Subsequent to the homicide, the suspect mailed a series of postcards

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and letters, two which contained a
portion of the cab driver's shirt. So

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now I'm hearing there are two of
them that he mailed with the shirt.

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I've only ever seen one. Yeah, but it was definitely blood and his

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shirt. We were able to pick
those pieces back together and say affirmative.

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So I'm concerned here. How is
it that there were two letters which contained

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a portion of the cot What happened
to this other letter? And what did

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it say? Um, maybe it
went to Nixon, because I'm seeing them

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working for Nixon. Here's proof Nixon, we got the bastard. You know.

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I'm sorry to say it that way, but that's what I'm seeing through

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Jack the world. Well, and
here's another report that says, Now,

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this one is from the homicide Who
is this one from? Oh, I'm

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sorry, okay, So this first
one that I read was actually from the

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investigating officers, which were William Armstrong
and Dave Toshi. This one is going

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to be from Armond Pellisetti and Frank
Peta. Upon responding to the above location,

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officers Peta and Palissetti found yellow cab
number nine to twelve part at the

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northeast corner of Washington Street at the
corner of Cherry Street. The report together

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with two other witnesses, age fourteen
and age thirteen. I did not know

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that the witnesses were this young.
That's the story. Did these are teenagers?

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Same address and phone number as the
report stated that they saw. They

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saw the below described suspect in the
front seat of the yellow cab mid to

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passenger side, with the victim slumped
partially over in his lap. The suspect

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appeared to be searching. I know
this is on new stuff. M The

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suspect appeared to be search to be
searching the pockets. Witnesses never heard a

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gunshot, so how did that draw
their attention if they never heard the gunshot?

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I'm so cold. I don't know. This account seems really odd.

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Lap he'd be covered in blood exactly
so. The suspect then appeared to be

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wiping fingerprints on the interior of the
cab, leaning over the victim to the

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driver's compartment. The suspect then exited
the cab by the passenger side front door,

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also wiping with a rag, possibly
a handkerchief. The suspect then walked

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around the cab to the driver's side
and proceeded to wipe the exterior of the

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left door area. The suspect then
then fled, walking north on Cherry Street

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toward the presidy of San Francisco.
Responding officers immediately checked the interior of the

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cabin found the victim to be slumped
over the front seat with his upper torso

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in the passenger side head resting on
the floorboard. That doesn't make sense or

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board, but it's our car.
I know that well. At least based

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on the pictures, so his head
is resting on the floorboard facing north.

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Ambulance was summoned Code three and the
other units were requested for an immediate search.

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The area. Description was obtained from
reportees whose observation point was directly across

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the street fifty feet and unobstructed.
Description was broadcast and numerous let me see

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yeah. Description was broadcasted and numerous
units responded to institute a search of the

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area. Peh which I'm not sure. Ambulance number eighty two responded. Steward

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du Sette. Victim was examined and
pronounced dead at ten ten pm. Inspector

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Craig responded and summoned dog units and
a Fire Department spotlight vehicle to assist in

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the search. Responding officers called for
the crime lab corner, Yellow Cab officials

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and a tow assist. Traffic manager
of Yellow Cab, Leroy Sweet, responded

405
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:08.680
and gave reporting officers the victim's identification. Mister Sweet further stated the last dispatch

406
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:15.000
given the victim was at ninety five
pm to five hundred ninth Avenue, Apartment

407
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:20.480
Number one. Victim allegedly never arrived
at that above location so he was sent

408
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.400
by the yellow cab company to some
location. He never made it too,

409
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:30.880
because Jack stopped him in his tracks. Crazy? Is that on purpose?

410
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:36.359
Though? There's a lot of wild
stuff in that account? Is that an

411
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.759
official account from a cos it's official. It's the ones that showed up on

412
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:45.039
the scene. It's officer armand Palisetti
and Officer Fank Peta. Yeah, so

413
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:50.279
it I don't know if they're from
homicide. Let me see if I can

414
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:59.759
tell yellow cab guns shoots driver Rob's
same. Um No, it doesn't really

415
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:05.680
in decay, it just states their
name, so it doesn't say what department

416
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.640
they're part of. But it is
signed off by a lieutenant as well.

417
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:12.799
So an extremely interesting account because I
would think that if you were a yellow

418
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:15.960
cab driver and you were commissioned or
sent to go pick up a fair at

419
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:20.640
a particular location, that that fair's
waiting for you, why would you stop

420
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:23.279
and pick up? Yeah? Why
would you stop and pick somebody else up?

421
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:29.559
Unless an entire thing was a setup
or he knew him. Yeah,

422
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:35.279
definitely a setup and he possibly knew
him. Yep. Oh, it gets

423
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:43.359
weirder and weirder, all right.
So here's another cases that's why up here

424
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:47.880
at right, this is the area
up here at the top of the house.

425
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:52.480
This window is where the teenagers saw
the entire thing from what they called

426
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.359
the unobstructed view. Why would they
be staring at somebody in a cab if

427
00:33:55.359 --> 00:34:00.440
they hadn't heard a gunshot? I
have no idea now at that close my

428
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:06.680
mind. That's why they looked out
the window. But or they were standing

429
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.039
up there looking out watching the whole
entire thing, and and and saw the

430
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:13.840
whole thing happen. But maybe they
weren't even the one they said that report

431
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.559
stated they were the reportees. They
were the people who called in. Um,

432
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:21.639
So why would you call in if
you didn't hear a gun shot?

433
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:27.480
Like I'm again, I'm at a
loss. Um. That's ways they were

434
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.559
having a party. The party was
loud, you know, I mean,

435
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:36.679
we're having a party. It could
definitely um nullify sounds. But they must

436
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:40.519
have. They must have in theory, since something was really wrong with that

437
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:44.960
whole thing, and that's why they
called. You know, they must have

438
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:49.039
seen enough to see the blood and
you know, must have seen um something

439
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.719
happening. Even though they didn't hear
the shot, they probably saw not to

440
00:34:52.760 --> 00:35:00.239
be gross blood splattering everywhere. So's
question, why would the murderer white down

441
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:06.239
the driver's side of the cab?
N no sense? Yeah, why would

442
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:07.320
he wipe down on the driver's side. He had, He didn't touch the

443
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:15.760
driver's side unless he leaned in to
speak to Paul started on the driver's side

444
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:21.400
and touched it with his hands and
then got into cab. But it makes

445
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.760
no sense to wipe down the driver's
side, right, abe. Yeah,

446
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:28.840
if he was just a regular fair, he would never have probably had contact

447
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.000
with the driver's side. I feel
like that even lends a little more to

448
00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:37.559
the fact that he possibly knew paul
Stein. Either way. This additional report

449
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:43.079
says that dispatch was reassigned to another
to another cab at nine fifty eight PM

450
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.800
when paul Stein didn't show up.
Responding officers noted that the meter of the

451
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:51.679
cab was running, indicating that the
victim possibly picked up another fair the suspect

452
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:55.159
en route to his original assignment.
The meter read six dollars and twenty five

453
00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:00.559
cents at exactly ten forty six.
Now we're taxi cabs that expect back in

454
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:05.400
the day. Oh yeah, yeah, it was San Francisco. Definitely it

455
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:12.559
was extensive. Well, that was
downtown, Yeah, definitely. What was

456
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:20.320
the forty minutes after it was killed? For some reason? I guess the

457
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:23.800
car was still going so and they
left it. Okay, that makes sense.

458
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:28.400
M. A check with Yellow Cab
Company revealed the victim arrived at work

459
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:32.239
at approximately eight forty five PM and
had only one fair prior that being from

460
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:38.360
PURE sixty four to the air terminal. Sergeant Falk responded in G ten homicide

461
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:45.199
Inspector's Armstrong and Tashi responded and took
charge G forty. Lieutenant Kiel also responded,

462
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:47.679
I'm interested in the fact they keep
referring to these G forty, G

463
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:52.280
ten, G eighty four because in
UM in the Black Dahlia, we had

464
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:59.079
a letter that was mailed into UM
Hoover. I think it was that indicated

465
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:05.400
that he was A forty eight.
So is there some particular assignment of these

466
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.360
numbers to officers that you know of? Nolan, I do not know,

467
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:20.000
but G usually means federal they call
FBI officers G men. Uh, oh,

468
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.599
you're right. I didn't put that
together. Yeah, well, he

469
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:30.000
called himself at the description, given
that was supposed to be a tattletale on

470
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:34.440
the suspect who killed Black Dahya indicated
the sign off was a G forty eight

471
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.000
and the only thing I could find
related to G forty eight was actually a

472
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.840
unit that they used in ham radio
operation. And I thought, okay,

473
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:45.119
that makes sense. But now that
I'm starting to see these G numbers,

474
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:51.599
that raised even more questions. All
right, so sty what's that that's really

475
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:55.039
interesting that that the assigned G to
number two Tashi, Because I have my

476
00:37:55.760 --> 00:38:02.760
was about Tashi, U, chief
Lieutenant, very bad things to say about

477
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:12.960
Tassi or Toski whatever later. So
G forty Lieutenant Kiel also responded. The

478
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:16.639
Military Police headquarters of the Presidio San
Francisco was notified in an intense search of

479
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:22.760
the Julius Kahn area was made by
seven dog units. Um interesting they say

480
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:28.519
that a intense search when the Zodiac
in his own letters said he sat there

481
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.679
and watched them racing motorcycles up and
down the road, and how they searched

482
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.599
the park properly, they would have
found him, which means he watched the

483
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:40.880
entire procession of the search. UH
see other Richmond and CP units to uh

484
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.599
no avail. So basically nobody found
him. The coroner responded Deputy Schultz and

485
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:51.800
Kindred and took charge of the deceased
coroner's receipt. Attached this report. Crime

486
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:58.079
Lab responded and to necessary photographs of
the preserved scene Daggets and Kirkendall. All

487
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:02.280
physical evidence was retained by i'm lad
Crime Lab for ID. The auto yellow

488
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:07.639
cab number nine twelve California license Y
one seven four one three was towed to

489
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:13.000
the hall impounded for homicide for Prince
to slip. Attached this report, Room

490
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:15.239
one hundred was notified, What is
room one hundred? Do you know anything

491
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:23.480
about that one? Nope? Okay, given given description and advised to have

492
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:30.079
broadcasts continuous throughout the morning. To
ask per Inspector Armstrong's direction, Um,

493
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:36.840
the dispatch where the radio communications go
out. Attached to this report, Room

494
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:43.920
one hundred was notified, Yeah maybe
yeah, okay, so crime may room

495
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:49.480
one hundred. It might have been, um right, um, oh god?

496
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.320
Where they oh? Where they where
they take the bodies? The guy

497
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:59.559
who know this room where it wasn't
notified, not that anything was taken there.

498
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.480
They were no notified, given description
and advised to have broadcast continuous throughout

499
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:07.159
the morning. So Nolan is probably
correct. It's probably there the information room.

500
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:10.559
I'm getting a little sidetracked. I'm
reading parts of the book that you're

501
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:16.000
probably gonna go over, so right
and sorry, okay, that's okay,

502
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:22.039
and advised to have broadcasts continuous throughout
the morning. As per Inspector Armstrong's direction.

503
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:27.199
Crime Crime Lab's initial investigation showed that
the victim was devoid of any US

504
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:30.119
currency, nor did he have the
possession of wallet. The ignition keys for

505
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:36.039
the cab were also missing, and
again it ends there no sign of missing

506
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:42.719
glasses. M yeah, see that's
an exacting thing. So if the keys

507
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:45.440
are missing, why is the meter
still running on the cab? Wouldn't it

508
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:51.920
run separate? No, if the
cab has turned off, I think stops.

509
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:57.159
I don't know. Yeah, yeah
it does if it's turned off.

510
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.480
Yeah, it's supposed to stop.
So you know, again we're looking at

511
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:06.239
it, you know, a crime
and a story combined. So right,

512
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:12.519
right, all right, So let's
see suspect so number two, suspect white

513
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.320
male in his early forties. So
now they're saying early forties. They've changed

514
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:20.000
it from the narrative thirty five to
forty five to early forties, five foot

515
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:23.519
eight inches heavy, builled, reddish
blonde crew cut hair, wearing eyeglasses,

516
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:28.760
dark brown trousers, dark navy blue
or black parka jacket, and dark shoes.

517
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:32.599
Suspects should have many bloodstains on his
person and clothing ding ding Ding.

518
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.400
Suspect may also be in possession of
the keys of the yellow cab, possibly

519
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:42.280
his wallet belonging to the victim.
Suspect is armed with a gun. Last

520
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:46.800
seen walking north on Cherry Street from
Washington Street number three loss to be determined.

521
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:52.679
All property of the victim in possession
of the corner physical evidence, property

522
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.480
retained by the crime lab and yellow
cab number nine twelve toad to the Hall

523
00:41:55.559 --> 00:42:00.760
for Homicide to take prints. So
yes, again we're back to says the

524
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:05.559
keys and wallets are missing. There
is no announcement of his glasses missing in

525
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.639
this report whatsoever, and Perez,
like I said, claimed to have had

526
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:13.880
them. SFPD gave her hundreds of
hours of their time investigating her story,

527
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:19.079
DNA testing the glasses, only to
come to the conclusion that they were not

528
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.559
Paul Stein's, which obviously we can
now tell they weren't because they are not

529
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:30.719
even reported as missing. Okayio to
propose, Yeah, the person wasn't the

530
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:34.519
back. She shot him on the
back of the head, got out left,

531
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:40.760
someone else came on and robbed him. I think the teenagers were there.

532
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:46.119
That the teenagers claimed to not have
heard the gunshot, but they noticed

533
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:51.360
something later, a little more commotion
going on, which is Paul Star.

534
00:42:51.639 --> 00:43:00.440
But they they recognize they saw him
basically pilfering right, supposedly Stein and going

535
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.599
over his body. So it is
likely that the Zodiac ended up with it.

536
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:07.000
And we do know that there is
a enough information here to support that

537
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:13.239
the Zodiac was taking prizes from his
crimes and releasing them in other scenes.

538
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.840
But he's never robbed anyone until this, sorry, when he took the wallet

539
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:21.480
right right, well, and I
think that there was at least one other

540
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:25.199
case, maybe the um uh gosh, the oh I'm gonna lose their names

541
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.880
right right, So there is evidence
that he is taking things, um not

542
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:36.920
necessarily as a robbery or maybe to
make it look like a robbery, but

543
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:40.360
in the end that's not what they
felt that it was. Yeah, and

544
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:47.199
he used to hold on, Harry, hold on, what was that?

545
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:52.039
Nolan? He uses stuff from prior
crimes to link to to future crimes,

546
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:57.679
like sure, Debates and the and
the Watch and the Watch from the Swindles.

547
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.800
That's the name. All right,
So I'm sorry going ahead to Harriet.

548
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:04.760
Um, I was just gonna say, just late until you get into

549
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:12.360
the future where he's robbed Mara Lago
of his dB Cooper coin that he used.

550
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:17.119
So he's yeah, but I'm just
saying that he's robbed. He's he's

551
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:22.760
admitting that he's robbed. So yeah, oh yeah, absolutely as robbed.

552
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.079
I think in the Lipstick Keilles he
was part of a crew that was robbing

553
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:29.599
like with that. There's no doubt
in my mind that make some money from

554
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:34.960
some of the things that he was
doing, for sure, or tempting to

555
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.960
make some money off of these things. But yeah, he's so anyways,

556
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:42.440
yeah, so I'm seeing that he's
admitted that he's robbed. So anyways,

557
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:50.360
um so, all right onto the
next um. Particular information that we have

558
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:55.960
from Officer Donald Folks description, which
this is the officer who stopped the Zodiac

559
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.599
and was instructed to go around the
corner after a man leaving a gun.

560
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.519
He in this report really quickly,
white male, thirty five to forty five

561
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:07.800
years old, about five foot ten, one hundred and eighty to two hundred

562
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:12.719
pounds, medium, heavy build,
light colored hair, possibly grain in the

563
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:17.320
rear. Now we've got jack may
have been it may have been the lighting

564
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:22.559
that caused the effects to make the
hair look that color. He definitely had

565
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.079
a crew cut. He was wearing
glasses, dressed in dark blue. We

566
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:28.960
already heard all of that, the
pants, all of that stuff to say,

567
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:31.559
may have been wearing low cut shoes. Subject at no time appeared to

568
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:36.079
be in a hurry, and he
walked with a shuffling lope, slightly bent

569
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.519
forward with his head down. The
subjects general appearance to classify him as a

570
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:44.480
group would be that he might be
of Welsh ancestry. So this reports that

571
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:50.280
the dispatch stated they were looking for
a Negro male. So even in officer

572
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:55.639
folks description he states that the original
call he said this subject was not stopped

573
00:45:55.639 --> 00:46:02.440
as the description read received from communication
was that of a Negro mail. So

574
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:07.840
yes, heavy pressure on that that
end. He was very he felt guilty

575
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.159
that the officers had a lot of
I don't know if the remorse is the

576
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.840
right form, but I think they
were highly embarrassed that they had a chance

577
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:22.840
to nab the Zodiac killer and actually
it encountered him and had a brief discussion

578
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:29.320
with him and let him walk on
by, right, because disinformation put out

579
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:34.719
about the blackmail suspect when there was
but they also had the information about that

580
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:39.599
described the person they were talking to, right. The shuffling gate, the

581
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:45.199
shuffling gate. This is this is
what sealed it for Dennis, the shuffling

582
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:49.079
gate, because Jack had one leg
shorter than the other. So that was

583
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:53.039
definitely Jack. That's what I remember
many discussions with Dennis. That's what sealed

584
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:57.440
it for him, that that was
his stepdad that did it, because only

585
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:02.159
Jack Torrence didning everything else, but
nobody else has a shuffling gates, all

586
00:47:02.159 --> 00:47:07.719
these suspects that they keep coming up. What the reason why one leg was

587
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:12.239
shorter than the other, Well,
he had surgery on his lower back sometime

588
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:16.000
in the sixties, early sixties or
early to mid sixties, I would say,

589
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.440
somewhere around there at any rate.
Yes, he walked with a lumber,

590
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:24.880
a lumber or that strange gate that
they were just talking about. When

591
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:29.880
I pulled up these other wanted posters
that were showing here in the presentation,

592
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.599
they vary from one to the next, which is very strange. Because they

593
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.960
both show to be from the San
Francisco Police Department. I've only got about

594
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.199
a minute left, you guys.
I'm not going to make the next slide

595
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:42.880
is actually the letter that we didn't
make it too. But we can pick

596
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:46.159
up next week because this has been
a lot of fun. But let me

597
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:50.559
just not take this real quick for
everybody. We have two wanted posters that

598
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:55.840
bear the same composite that was drawn
from officer folks recollection of who he saw.

599
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.440
But here's the difference in the information. Says white male, twenty five

600
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:06.119
to thirty years, five foot eight
to five foot nine, reddish brown hair,

601
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.960
crew cut. The other one actually
says thirty five to forty five years,

602
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:13.559
approximately five foot eight, heavy builds, short, brown hair. Like,

603
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.079
oh my god. They can't even
get their wanted posters straight. It's

604
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:25.199
making me insane. Jack, they
weren't on it. That's why Jack from

605
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:36.280
the Shining right right, seriously,
seriously, Jack, Yes? And isn't

606
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:45.119
that the name of the suspect in
the Shining yea yea, all right,

607
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you guys. That brings us to
the end. Harriet, we were going

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to have to pick up next week
if you're willing to come on. We're

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going to start off with the letters. I think I can do it.

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I think I can do it with
the Wi Fi. Okay, I think

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I'll promise that. All right,
debate copersolve dot com on if you wanted

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to see some what I've done,
even recently. There's so much, there

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are hundreds of them. But I'm
so glad that I could bear a part

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of this. We're at the last
minute. You guys, thank you so

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much for being here. Nolan again, thank you for all your insight.

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It's been wonderful. You guys have
a great morning, enjoy your weekend,

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and we'll see you guys next Friday. Bye bye, okay, bye bye bye o