Aug. 2, 2024

Badlands, Nixon, and Count Marco Letters

Badlands, Nixon, and Count Marco Letters

Since we were not able to make it to the Badlands letter in the last episode, we will cover that with a repeat of the Nixon postcard, and the Count Marco letter. Some of these letters are considered, by the FBI, to have been written by the Zodiac...

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Since we were not able to make it to the Badlands letter in the last episode, we will cover that with a repeat of the Nixon postcard, and the Count Marco letter. Some of these letters are considered, by the FBI, to have been written by the Zodiac Killer, and some are suspect. Hear the solves from Harriette Sucher on these communications and what is going on with Jack during these times.

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome Harry Cliche to the show this morning. Yes,

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good morning, Good morning. I'm excited, new letters, new solves,

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new everything. We're going to just pop on over immediately

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here to the PowerPoint presentation. Of course, we left off

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last week talking about the new truck that Jack had bought,

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I believe from Norah's grandfather, which is who he had

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bought the acreage from up in Mount Alkham. A little

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thing that I didn't actually touch on or talk about

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is that at one point in time, when the FBI

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was working with Dennis Kaufman in this case, they had

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literally taken cadaver dogs up to the property where Jack

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had owned the acres they did actually find human remains.

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The FBI thought that it was too intrusive to go

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to all the victims' family members to ask for what

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they called were bone marrow draws to do DNA comparison

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to those bones. But we do know that there were

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human remains found on his property. Do you remember Dennis

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talking about.

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That, Harriet, Yeah, it was very disturbing for him, but

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he felt really, he felt really angry that they didn't

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pursue and do, just like you said, a whole bunch

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of DNA testing to see I mean, who were they?

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Uh so, I mean we.

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Literally don't think there was the skull, right, We only

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have the skull of don Alas that was found out

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off of the twenty and eighty or was that twenty Yeah,

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I think it was twenty eight right.

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Yeah, yeah, near that near that junction area.

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But we're missing the rest of our body parts. I mean,

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wouldn't just start there if you were going to find

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them near South Lake Tahoe somewhere exactly.

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Yeah. Well, I have some of the salves and I

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think we've done them recently. Where he's saying that there remains,

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some of them ended up in the North ohv. But

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I'm seeing that it's also possible that they were eventually moved.

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So yes, why didn't they just if they knew that

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stuff was going on with the don the last cases

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and Jack possibly being it, Yeah they Why didn't they

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do the DNA why?

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Yeah? Yeah, that kind of takes me back to them

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saying that they found Jack's son's DNA on a water

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bottle at a crime scene where a female victim had

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been found murdered, and the FBI indicated that, oh, just

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because his DNA was on the bottle doesn't mean that

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he wasn't just driving by and flipped his bottle out

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the window and it miraculously hit a dead body. When

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we're talking about the possibility of Jack being the zodiac,

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I don't know. There's just so much with the FBI sometimes. Anyways,

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that leads us to ANOTHERBA statement. Moonlight at one point

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in time had sent me information in regards to a

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particular zodiac sign that was found on top of a mountain.

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I'm going to read you that information because I don't

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know this stuff by heart, But she says, Nanette, I

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respect what you were doing to unfold the further I

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got into this one can't get Dehurst book. I guess

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she was complaining, you can't get do her book anymore.

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It's been expunged, Dennis's page being expunged and his passing.

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I fear for you in your discoveries. This is a

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lot of scandalous government cover up. Every time I watch

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one of the videos, something else hits me. Now. I

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had to look up the Texas Yogurt shop, which we've

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not gotten there, you guys, I think that's nineteen seventy nine,

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but we're close. It has this signature all over one.

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Every time I okay, the thing with the rock formation

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in Lake Tahoe, FBI immediately there, putting gag order on

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the guy that discovered it. He will probably be floating

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down a river soon. They expunged it rather quick. I

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love that you changed his name to career killer. I

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am like a drug addict listening to what you say.

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Buy some, Buy me some bart too, she says. So

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I have a picture of and it is a zodiac

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symbol and circle atop a mountain way up in Lake Tahoe.

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And I guess it was imaged on like a three

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D type GPS mapping system. And then the guy actually

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went out to find it, and he has pictures of

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him standing here next to this rock formation on top

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of the mountain, and of course this was pretty hush

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hush or shut down. She went on to say that

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today the San Francisco Chronicle ran a front page article

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called Alleged clue to Zodiac Killer shrugged off. It begins.

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An eerie rock formation that partially resembles the bullseye pattern

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used by the Zodiac Killer during his reign of terror

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in the Bay Area in the nineteen sixties has been

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found in the Sierra Nevada, touching off renude intrigue over

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whether a key to the infamous killer's identity could lie

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in the northern California mountains. South Lake Tahoe. Ped is

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not looking into it. Micro Deli, author of In The

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Shadow of Mount Diablo, finds it very hard to swallow

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that this was done by the Zodiac. The formation was

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found by amateur sluice from Paris, Facal Zirau. I'm not

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gonna say that correctly, zr ao Ui. Apparently last week

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The Times reported that he found it looking at satellite

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images last year. The rocks are stacked up on a

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plateau overlooking Hell Whole Reservoir. Now, hell, where have we

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heard this before with the Zodiac?

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Count Marco?

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Oh and today if we moved quickly, so hell Hell

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Whole Reservoir approximately ten miles west of Tahoe. So that

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makes it extremely interesting. Or did this guy from Paris

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create this entire thing over the hell Whole Reservoir just

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to kind of throw some interesting pieces back into the

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mix for the Zodiac. We shall never know. Anyways, here

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we have a picture of Jack standing in that famous

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Halloween card pose, and it says. An interesting story found

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in Stephen Dehurst's book is that the picture, which resembles

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the Halloween card of Jack where he looks insane, has

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been attributed to having the house covered with blood and

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gore after having beaten to death five of the neighbor's dogs.

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What set off the rate was unclear. Maybe he did

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not like their noticing his comings and goings, maybe they

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just annoyed him with their barking, or maybe he just

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needed to kill something. But once he started, he killed

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them all and then returned triumphantly to his family. That

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is just sick. But we know that Jack has been

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an animal killer for a long time. Household pets family pets,

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other people's pets, a small game hunter I think even

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on into larger game as well. On March twenty ninth

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and nineteen seventy four, we talked about Jack purchasing the

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nineteen sixty three Dodge pickup from Alfonso Cosmi Chicone, Nora's

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grandfather who resides in South Lake Tahoe at this time,

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and Jack lists his address as the general Road Mount Aukham, California,

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and that is the property we were just discussing where

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the human remains were found. Also in March of nineteen

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seventy four, a woman had stopped at a stoplight at

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night on the fringes of Santa Rosa. She was terrified

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when a middle aged man leapt out of the bushes

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next to her car. He grabbed the door handle, opened

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the door and trying to climb in reach for her.

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She gave the car some gas, and she described to

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the police how he had briefly held his grip on

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the door and then fell to the pavement behind the car.

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She described the attacker to the Sheriff's office. This comes

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from Stephen Dewhurst's book and should be sourced, but he

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relates it to an inscription that he believes was done

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the following April by a doctor, when in fact the

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report was not taken until February twenty seventh of nineteen

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seventy six, which is almost two years after what this

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book states. But this could also be another one of

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the injuries that the doctor Jennis had noticed, because he

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had mentioned that it looked like Jack had had some

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scuff some abrasions and things, and Jack tried to say

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he was playing with some kids in the neighborhood. Now

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we know Jack. Jack's not playing with anybody.

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Yeah he's he's working, but he's not playing.

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So, yeah, he's not playing with kids. I just don't

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I just based on what Dennis said, he is not

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a loving let me play with you father. This is

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almost seventy miles from South Lake Tahoe, where Nora is

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said to have been since nineteen seventy one, when Dennis

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is four years old. This particular picture, I believe is

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it must be a move somewhere that I'm not aware

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of it. Anyways. April fourteenth of nineteen seventy four, which

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is Easter. Nora has pictures of the east of Easter.

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I don't see Jack, but I do see Dawn, Jack's brother,

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and I do have an arrow pointing directly to him

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in the picture. We can see him in the background,

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so we know that Jack is present. These pictures are

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probably at the Mount Aukham residence. Is going to be

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my guest, because it looks like the Placerville area or

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the just below South Lake Tahoe. Now here is a

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police report that Jack has filed, and we can see

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where mount Aukham Road is versus Somerset where he is

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indicating his addresses now at this point on May seventh

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of nineteen seventy four, So I don't know how he's

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going back and forth from one spot to the next.

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I mean, he just showed Mount Auckham when he purchased

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the Dodge pickup truck. And now this police report lists

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Aim at Star Route, Somerset, May seventh, nineteen seventy four.

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Jack confirms the presence in Mount Aukham with a police

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report filed on Danny Reynolds, who is now eighteen years old,

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for stealing the wrecked motorcycle with the damage to the

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right handlebar and dents in the front fender, which confirms

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Jack's accident on it. Jack is reporting a cycle that

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belongs to Doris Reynold, who lives was his ex wife

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or two bx wife while he's I mean, because I

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don't believe that their divorce is finalized at this point.

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But.

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Who lives in San Jose, California at this time by

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her son Danny Reynolds, again confirming that Danny Reynolds was

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in the area with Jack following his release from CYA.

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The divorce was oh okay. So the divorce was said

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to be final once in nineteen seventy one. So why

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would Jack retain anything of Doris's. It's in her name,

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there's a lean holder on it, there's money stole owed

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on it, and for whatever reason, he has it, and

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it shows that it has two flat tires and no battery.

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So how the effeck did Danny Reynolds run off with it?

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He had somebody that could help him trailer it to

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take it away. I just really don't know doors whatever

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Jack wanted so as to not be a victim of

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his wrath, she may have just left this bike with

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him and chose not to fight over it. Her father

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was a head official in the federal penitentiary system, so

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why would she tolerate the likes of Jack. I mean,

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she comes from a family where they oversee the criminal system,

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and here is this woman who is deathly afraid for

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her life. She's allowing her children to continue to be

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around him. She's giving Jack anything he wants, but she

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is definitely trying to get away. So I'm confused though,

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because he indicates that Mount Aukham Road one and a

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half miles of south south of Gray's Corner, which is

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where he is supposed to live and where the motorcycle

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was stolen from. However, he lists his current address, as

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I said, at Star Rout, Somerset, California. I don't know

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what's going on there that brings us to the bad

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Lens letter.

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Boo boo, Yeah, okay with it. So well, what I

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sent you is with all these pocal pieces I knew

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were supposed to be there, and one of them was

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the smoking or smoldering cigarette. And Dennis and I agreed

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that that thing that's you can really see it really

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well in the original Zodiac book by Robert Graysmith, he

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had great pictures of the evidence. So anyways, the long

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story short is Dennis and I are getting ready to

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do a show with Mystery's own productions, and we're looking

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at the page and I said, Dennis, I always thought

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that that looked like a burning cigar or burning cigarette

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in that section of the letter, and Dennis, being so diplomatic, says,

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I had dumb, stupid bitch Jack smoke cigars. He smoked

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a cigarette. And then I asked him, well, why what

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would he put a cigarette there? And then and he says, well,

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why don't you just hold a fucking damn seands and

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ask him he's dead? I don't know. It's a clue,

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it's a cigarette.

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Yeah, Dennis was really rough. You definitely had to have

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a pullet for him. I'm for sure.

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There were times when I thought, oh lord, all right,

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so well, is that is that where you're is that

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where you're looking at the cross out of the word

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expression turned back into express.

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No, it goes down. I'm trying to find it now.

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It's yeah, yeah, okay, where it says running and yeah,

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it's like Robert, Yeah, it looks like a cigarette in

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Robert Graysmith's book. And uh so I said, okay, I

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had that, So you want me to let me you because.

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I no, no, because I haven't even introduced it. Yet

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hold on, let me do my job. Sorry, sorry you

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let me go.

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Let me exte too. I know, I know.

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Received May eighth of nineteen seventy four. It was to

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the editor of the SF Chronicle, fifth and mission, which

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fifth admission is one of the forms we saw in

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the way the address was arranged in other Zodiac letters,

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San fran It is listed on the FBI foy, a

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file of suspected letters from the zodiac. So but it

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doesn't list anything for DNA and cells, so they must

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not have gotten anything off of it. It is signed

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off a citizen, so let me go ahead and read

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this letter for everybody, Sirs. I would like to express

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my consternation concerning your poor taste and lack of sympathy

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for the public, as evidenced by your running of the

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ads for the movie Badlands featuring the blurb in nineteen

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fifty nine. Most people were killing time, Kit and Holly

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were killing people in light of recent events, and he's

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talking about himself, which is I'm sorry, I want to

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say hilarious, but not really in light of recent events.

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This kind of murder glorification can only be deplorable at best.

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Not the glorification of violence was ever justifiable. Now we

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have justifiable. Why don't you show some concern for public

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sensibilities and cut the ad A citizen that was awfully

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nice of them, again just writing in, taking the chance

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of getting busted by writing in a letter that actually

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has no pertinent value whatsoever. So we will talk about

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that solve here. At a second, I want to talk

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about some of the consistencies with the other letters. The

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A citizen thing is a watchmaker from Tokyo. Obviously, we

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know time is a thing Japan that a Tokyo, Japan

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that synchronized with the atomic clock of Boulder, Colorado. The

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bad Lands movie was actually created by somebody named Terrence Malick,

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and Terrence being spelled t E r r e n

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ce is just like the last name Jack just used

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in March of this year when he was busted for

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his last So Wikipedia also shows that John B. Day

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Ramsey can be a reference to a future crime that

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is being perpetrated, which I think is interesting because again

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he is telling us about crimes years and years in advance.

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I've seen letters mailed and received seventeen years apart, and

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crimes predicted up to more than ten years in the future.

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So it doesn't make it sound so crazy when you're

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telling us about the Twin Towers or the possibility that

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these letters were decoding something that was telling us about

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the future, because we've seen it happen. And then the

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concern for public knowing the truth is just like the

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Sherry Joe Bates confession letter and the Patricia Houtz letter

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to Winovich that we're going to see in the two

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thousands and to Tom Voy. All of it is he

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wants the public to know on me well, okay, reference

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to the movie's bad lands being poor taste and lack

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of sympathy for the public, always referencing some type of

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movie story or the news. Just as the Zodiac describes

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the Exorcist as satirical comedy, he now describes this as

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murder glorification, as if that is not what he has

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done with his killing and is extorting front page access

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for his deeds. Some of the words that stood out

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to me were murder, glorification, deplorable, justifiable, public sensibilities evidenced

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equals proof. We know that the Zodiac was constantly talking

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about proof, so I'll give you a quick synopsis on

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the bad Lands movie. Bad Lands is set in nineteen

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fifty five and is narrated by the impression of fifteen

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year old Holly Sargus Spasic, a teenage girl living in

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a dead end South Dakota town called Fort Dupree. Holly

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lives with her sign painter father, although their relationship has

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been strained since her mother died of pneumonia ten years earlier.

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One day, she meets the twenty five year old garbage

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collector Kit. Describing her adventures with Kit in romantic cliches

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is juxtaposed as Kit's increasingly anti social and violent behavior

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is slowly revealed. Holly's father disagrees with their relationship, so

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he kills Holly's dog. Kit kills him in retaliation. Then

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they fake suicide by burning down the house and take

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off on the run together, making their way towards the

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bad lands of Montana. They leave a trail of dispassionate

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and seemingly random murders throughout the Midwest behind them. Their

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faked suicide didn't work, however, but despite bounty hunters and

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police on their tail, it does not hinder their killing spree.

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The two are eventually arrested. Kit is executed for his crimes,

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while while Holly receives nothing more than probation. I don't

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know how that happens, but that brings us to yourself.

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So here on this particular slide that I have up,

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you've circled a significant amount of information in this communication.

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Is this the Is this the information that you used

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in order.

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To decode this message?

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And what led you to this particular what led you

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to these particular words?

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Well, over the years, I was finding out you brought

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them about the Cherry Joe Bates confession letters, those things.

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One of the I was did that one a couple

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of years ago. I was finding out that if a

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section was scratched out, you just you know, and that

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what was underneath it you just wrote out the word

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scratched out and then whatever scratched out. And then I

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had already know by now that an odd placing of

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something at the top of the letter like seers and

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the dash that was a puzzle piece or two, and

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then the ending a citizen, which is just you know,

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not how like how you send a letter that was

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a couple of puzzle pieces. So uh so, then I

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and the then concerning I knew that that was you know,

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a puzzle pieces, so uh, and then murder, glorification and

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things in parentheses. I was picking up exactly where the

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and this would be called a stenographic code for sure

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where these pieces were. And then Jack's trademark thing to me, Now,

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when you see an appra sand, you spell it out so.

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So so go ahead and tell us how that anagram

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rolled out.

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It comes out as io his favorite trademark, saying documents anyways,

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carbon copy in La California, creep c R eep. That's

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the committee to re elect the president. This is a

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message meant for George Hodell. Okay, George Hodell. Apparently he

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was connected to that committee. And then he's putting in parentheses.

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Remember it's a way of saying, like, remember what happened

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twenty years ago. He's saying railroad train tracks. Operator Hilliard

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circa nineteen year old OAZ violence. I'ce Elizabeth Short in

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questa New Mexico. I'm ill sick, no kidding President Mixon

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to resign. I left Kent Shorts burning cigarette at Donna

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lass are An apartment. Please answer, did Chip Boilin or

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Prescott Bush of Connecticut and the aid Leon save MK

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ultra a medium that is on the stamp. I'm running

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out of time, and then they signed it JW. Lawrence.

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The second.

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Now, what I thought was interesting in this in this

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solve is the fact that you mentioned Elizabeth Short in

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Questa New Mexico. This is the second time outside of

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Lipstick Killings, where we had references to Mexico. And I

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know that the reference was Mexico, not New Mexico. But

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to hear you have solved something that puts into questa

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New Mexico. When one of the Black Dahlia communications indicated

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they were on their way to Mexico, that's just another

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diversionary tactic. So you're not looking in the right direction,

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but would make some sense or pull back in the

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sense of Mexico in those communications for Black Doh. Yeah,

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let's see what else. Who's Kent Shorts.

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Oh, Kent Shorts, that's the cigarettes. When when I was

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about to send you this information, I have and I

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haven't noted here or KS, and I said, wait a minute,

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the ore goes in between the two people. You know

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that these people save these stamp and then KS is

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for Kent Shorts. I came from a family full of smokers.

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I'm getting chills right now. So we were wondering a

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couple of weeks ago what brand did Jack smoke?

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I know, if we could only ask these questions in hindsight,

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like I would love to be able to blow up

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one of his pictures because I know we have some

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with him smoking cigarettes.

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Yeah, yeah, that's why Dennis that on me about the cigar.

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Right now. Now, I have literally brought back in the postcard,

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which we did go over the Richard Nixon postcards, so

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I'm not going to go over it in detail so

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that we can move on. But I did bring it

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back into play because it technically was mailed May twenty

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fifth of nineteen seventy four, and this is where it

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belongs chronologically in the presentation. But I did do a

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handwriting example of some of the different anything that is

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in a box is either by Jack by one of

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the communications that I believe are executed by the Zodiac Killer.

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But we can see the g's here, and how these

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g's have these funky little crossbars on them that point downward.

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With the lean over to the right, we can see

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that in King. We can also see what I refer

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to as the number six g right here from another

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one of the communications, and we can see that here

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in the postcard the letter Z. I pulled out some

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that you could see this bottom crossbar that is curved

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upward to the right. Meanwhile, that top portion of the

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Z and the middle section are very consistent with each

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other as well. I found that this particular postcard was

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definitely consistent with the SLA letter. And then we can

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see the t's and these teas are from all the

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way back from Lipstick Killing all the way forward into

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the Anthrax mailings. And that's those long T bars with

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the very short tops on them, and that is definitely

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consistent with what we have going on in this particular communication. Now,

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let's see if there's Patty Hurst. Hurst has an affiliation

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to the SLA. We've already seen that in the SLA letter.

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It's sent to Richard Nixon saying that you know, are

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going to get his daughter next. And it seems to

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be a running tag. You guys, I'm telling you that

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all of these high flute individuals who are losing their

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daughters in the middle of something major like running for

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Senate or running for office or anything, seems to be

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how these how the mob controls these people. It says,

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take note to the letters GTZW and the long straight apostrophe.

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Again we've got concerned citizen once again, zodiac reference. We

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have the Sideway stacke Mp, which is a zodiac MO.

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We have a Christmas stamp in May right, like he's

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throwing down with Christmas in May and for freedom. He

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reminds me of the dB Revolution, the Georgette Bauerdorf, the

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divine Retribution and the black doll you justified. Ah, so

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I don't think I'm going to go.

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An inject group. Can can inrojet really quick? Were able

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to center on that that was definitely a telephone letter

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because that stamp, uh it was now ten cents to

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mail and that's an eight cent stamp, so would have

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never went through the US mail.

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So he's never posted it properly. It's either not postage,

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under postage, or over postaged.

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That's why I'm just wanted to That's how I was

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able to come up with so many more details. And

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I said, I got to identify everything about that stamp

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and then antagram. But I found that to be interesting

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because you know, people were saying, oh that was mail.

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That then Nope, it would have not went through the

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US mail, but anyways came oing.

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This is right, So we definitely have this postcard that's

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from the area where dB Cooper was suspected to be,

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which is Oregon. Postcard is mailed from California. We Chris

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crossed that with a trolley stamp from San Francisco being

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mailed in one of the dB Cooper communications. And we

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have this letter next to it. It's talking about Charles g. Roboso,

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who is good friends of Nixon, and he's literally commending

459
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.319
Nixon's stance on Martin Luther King. And this postcard is

460
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.559
addressed to Dear King. So I don't believe that even

461
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.319
though it's addressed to Richard Nixon, that the message itself

462
00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:36.279
starting out dear King, is anything other than probably Martin

463
00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:39.640
Luther King at this point in time. And here's some

464
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:43.039
immigras of that post it is. And here's some of

465
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:46.079
the images that Harriet had found, which is the color

466
00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:48.720
version of this postcard. Beautiful color version. We can see

467
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:49.319
what it looks like.

468
00:26:49.400 --> 00:26:49.599
Now.

469
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:52.279
It's showing a river and we know DBE Cooper, you know,

470
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:57.319
purportedly dropped some money at rivers. So it all kind

471
00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:00.480
of just meshes in with one another and don't need

472
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.640
to read that solve now. On May twenty ninth of

473
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:05.200
nineteen seventy four, Jack is having officials check on the

474
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:07.960
Social Security benefits that would have been awarded for permanent

475
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:12.119
disability in November of second of nineteen seventy three. So

476
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:15.559
while he got awarded stuff, he wasn't receiving any funds.

477
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:17.680
But he is still moving around and doing things as

478
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.000
if he has money. This means that Jack is not

479
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:23.400
getting any money yet from this disability claim. Because this

480
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.759
particular letter is from his attorney, I believe, and it's too,

481
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:30.359
dear Senator tooney. This is in further response to your

482
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:34.960
inquiry concerning mister Jack W. Terrence's disability claim. For gosh sakes,

483
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:36.839
for the first time on one of these letters, his

484
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:39.039
name is spelled correctly, but that's because he's trying to

485
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:41.799
get money. I cannot provide you with a full report

486
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:44.720
at this time because the cases in process outside of

487
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.960
Baltimore are Bureau of Disability Insurance is aware of your

488
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.519
interests and has asked the action on the case be expedited.

489
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:55.119
As soon as the records are received and reviewed. I

490
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:57.759
will write you again, should any delay occur in reaching

491
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:00.359
a final decision, I will, of course BERNIEH you with

492
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.720
the appropriate interim reports. Sincerely, yours, James B. Cardwell, Commissioner

493
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:09.240
of Social Security. Now this letter's being sent to Senator

494
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:12.240
Tony How many senators do you know getting involved with

495
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:14.279
people's social security benefits?

496
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:17.960
Wow? So what year was this again? Seventy four?

497
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:19.400
Nineteen seventy four?

498
00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:24.319
Oh, okay, because I got something from nineteen seventy five,

499
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:27.920
and I think I tried to where I found Jack

500
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:36.400
Torrence's name on some activities for money coming out of

501
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:41.359
our congressional people. I have to say that again because

502
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:42.119
you were up.

503
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:44.799
You were kind of cutting out when you said that,

504
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:46.720
So repeat that you found what.

505
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:54.920
I found Jack's name in some budget thing for where

506
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:58.279
he used to be paid in nineteen seventy five. And

507
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:03.720
I believe it says on W. Torrance and it's a

508
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:06.640
certain amount of money that and so I have to

509
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:08.640
send that to you. I have. I've found that a

510
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:12.079
couple of years ago, and I was looking for something

511
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:17.000
else and this came up from some kind of congress

512
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:18.079
archived fight.

513
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:20.680
So he was that's interesting.

514
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:24.759
There was something in nine teenty five and I'm like, yeah,

515
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:27.240
he was getting paid to help kill sam Gi and

516
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.759
Kanna and Hanka. So I have to find that and

517
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:31.400
send it to you.

518
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.759
Well, and we see a move in him buying another property.

519
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.000
I think in nineteen seventy five, we're going to get

520
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:40.759
to that here any second. So on June twenty fifth

521
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:43.240
of nineteen seventy four, there's an actual response from the

522
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:45.799
United States Senator John B. Tooney, who was pretty much

523
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.640
blowing him off. And this is not going well for Jack.

524
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:50.839
So I think that sometimes some of these things have

525
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.559
been triggers where he begins to kill again just to

526
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:56.599
have a release. So this letter from the United States

527
00:29:56.680 --> 00:30:02.799
Senate directly to mister Jack W. Terrence, Box three, Mount Olkham, California.

528
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:06.000
So Mount Alkham is maybe where his PO box is

529
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:08.680
and Star Rout is where he's actually living, and that

530
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:11.000
might be the key there between why we have the

531
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.960
double address, Dear mister Terrence. Enclosed is an interim response

532
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.599
that I received from the Social Security Administration concerning your inquiry.

533
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:22.480
This is to assure you that I am interested in

534
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.440
your case and shall do everything possible to expedite the

535
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:28.359
processing of your claim. I would like to apologize for

536
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:31.200
the delay in responding to your inquiry and the length

537
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:33.799
of time it has taken the Social Security Administration to

538
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.079
assist you. Please be as sure of my continuing interest

539
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:42.119
and assistance in this matter. YadA, YadA, YadA, Sincerely, John V. Tooney,

540
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:46.839
United States Senator. So Jack is still in June of

541
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:50.400
nineteen seventy four trying to collect these Social Security benefits.

542
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:56.279
That brings us to the count Marco letter. It is

543
00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.279
a return address RP red phantom because that's how it's

544
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.680
signed off on the letter received July eighth of nineteen

545
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.039
seventy four. It is mailed to the editor of the

546
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:09.480
San Francisco Chronicle in San Francisco, California, and there is

547
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.200
no street address for this. So again this is him

548
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:15.720
showing his ability to get things around without properly addressing them.

549
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.880
My stuff always gets returned. How come my stuff if

550
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.839
not properly addressed, it comes back to me. But the

551
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:26.039
Zodiacs goes everywhere. I did a comparison of the RP

552
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.799
to Cooper and Zodiac Killer and Jack's HP in this

553
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:34.039
particular communication and found that they were consistent. We've done

554
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.759
the handwriting on this zodiac is describing himself while's heling

555
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.039
off someone he obviously doesn't agree with. So the letter

556
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:44.240
reads editor, put Marco back in the hell hole from

557
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.119
whence it came. He has a serious psychological disorder, always

558
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.119
needs to feel superior. I suggest you refer him to

559
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:54.279
a shrink. Meanwhile, cancel the Count Marco column. Since the

560
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.920
Count can write anonymously, so can I. So he's telling

561
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:00.519
you that he knows how to write to not be discovered.

562
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:01.920
But I'm going to show you something here in a

563
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:07.000
second signed off, the red phantom in parentheses read with rage.

564
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.640
So comparison of the Gladys Current Accomplice letter from two sixteen,

565
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:13.160
nineteen forty eight and this new Red Phantom letter in

566
00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:16.319
nineteen seventy four showed that the hs were pretty much

567
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:19.839
created in the same manner, with very short stems above

568
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:21.759
the actual hump of the h. And that's what we

569
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.480
see happening here in this particular letter. So more proof

570
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:27.680
that these are all the same killer. And the FBI

571
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.599
Foya files contains this letter, but there were no DNA

572
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:31.839
or cells found on it.

573
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:34.920
Let's see.

574
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.720
So the red Phantom letter, in the consistencies with the

575
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:40.559
zodiac style of writing, is very close to the poem

576
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:45.000
Shakespeare book type lettering it claims to be he claims

577
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:48.079
to be able to write anonymously. It is written again

578
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:50.359
to the editor of the San Francisco Chronicle with the

579
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:55.000
return address of RP. Jack's Goodbye is next scouting out

580
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:58.119
in Minnesota while traveling to Michigan to get the Donna Last.

581
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.559
I believe to get the Dona last Christmas scard filled

582
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:03.759
out as a possibility by Carol Settlementer. I still need

583
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:06.680
to complete that examination, and I wish I had actually

584
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.519
scanned her entire phone book. And I will show you

585
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:11.400
guys in the future when we get to that phone

586
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:14.599
book that I found what it was that made me

587
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.400
think about that. On July tenth of nineteen seventy four,

588
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:20.079
there's a trial for poaching and Jack reportedly is taken

589
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:23.440
immediately to jail for a period of thirty days. Again,

590
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:27.200
we did not find this in his private investigative reports

591
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:31.759
and criminal activities or any type of convictions last seing

592
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.640
July eleventh and nineteen seventy four, and found March eleventh

593
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.799
of nineteen seventy five is Deanna Hooper. She's partying in

594
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.799
the area of Mare Island Shipyard and Columbus Parkway in

595
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:44.920
Saint John's Mine Road when she goes missing. This may

596
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.440
not be Jack obviously, because if he is incarcerated for

597
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:51.200
thirty days and she doesn't go missing until July tenth,

598
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.640
and his trial is on July. If his trials on

599
00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:57.119
July tenth, he likely went to jail. Well, I suppose

600
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.720
they could have given him time to handle his business

601
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.039
before for having to turn himself in, But it does

602
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.240
say that he was taken immediately to jail for a

603
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:06.279
period of thirty days, so we may be able to

604
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:08.960
remove this one. Did you have any information on a

605
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.280
Deanna Hoover? No.

606
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:14.840
And these are some of the names that I'm going

607
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.719
to have to work on because it's really strange that

608
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.239
a lot of these names that you know, we've came

609
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.920
up with these names years ago, and now they've been

610
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.119
erased the hard it's hard to find right.

611
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:27.599
So they are very word we.

612
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.239
Seem to be that we seem to be now the

613
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:33.679
treasure trove for some real zodiac cases.

614
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.320
I have some information I still haven't unburied, and it's

615
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:39.480
everything that I pulled from the internet when I initially

616
00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:41.760
started doing this before. A lot of it was ripped down.

617
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.000
It'll be interesting to go back through and see what

618
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.880
I may have missed or what we cannot find anymore

619
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.480
on the internet. Now, by the end of nineteen seventy four,

620
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:53.000
like I said, Jack is scouting Minnesota in Michigan, I

621
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:56.199
have put together, next to the Count Marco letter, some

622
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.079
writing of Jack where he's making a list for a

623
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:01.599
car that he acted, he purchased and needed to repair.

624
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.000
And we can see some of these things like these

625
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:08.079
elongated c's and g's that are found in Jack's writing,

626
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:10.440
and the way they hover over the top of the

627
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:14.000
next letter that they're next to. So you, guys, look

628
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.039
at this. This is just absolutely amazing. When he says

629
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:19.679
he can write anonymously, what he doesn't seem to realize

630
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.360
is that he does write like this even in his

631
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.679
everyday writing. He just doesn't use it consistently or all

632
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:28.639
the time, so it's not in the top of his

633
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:31.239
mind as being my writing. He thinks more of it

634
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.079
as a creative writing, but it still is writing. It's here.

635
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.920
Did I did not get the Count Marco solve in there?

636
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:40.519
Do you have that?

637
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:43.960
Oh? I have it. I definitely have it, because it

638
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.760
is in the world. According to Jack Tarrant. So the

639
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:51.440
whole letter I found out was Wow, it was easy,

640
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.880
but a surprise. The whole letter is just an anagram,

641
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:59.920
and uh so it breaks down to l L couch

642
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:02.920
Company Dora. So I'm just going to read it because

643
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:06.360
I don't want to confuse people. It's saying little Lenny

644
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:13.119
Schulz count company, Joshua Dor Dora Place located in Michigan

645
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:19.239
O Reno, United Autoworkers Union, whole camera sea container of

646
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:26.840
mother Marilyn Dimangio, mother Elizabeth Short photographs win Die with

647
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:32.840
first class stamps. You count Marco licked that current White

648
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.480
House h. R. Halderman sent to Sicily, Sam g and

649
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:43.519
Conna from Kennedy White House. United Nations Defense Secretary who

650
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:49.199
Halderman he sees his Ciaoval office call erased and the

651
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:55.880
United Autoworkers Reno, Nevada recording the San Francisco, California transcripts

652
00:36:56.320 --> 00:37:00.800
be in same container. Wow, it was.

653
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:04.159
Now you mentioned did you just mention Michigan.

654
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.360
Yes, yes, I wish I feel.

655
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.079
To get that in. I've been so busy this week.

656
00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:13.199
I did not enter that solve. I will make sure

657
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.199
it gets into the presentation, obviously, but I did not

658
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.599
get a chance to read it before you just read it.

659
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:21.039
And I am telling you guys right now, we are

660
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.719
going to see the next crime spree. Jack is going

661
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:28.480
to leave California, move to Minnesota, twelve hours from Michigan,

662
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:35.559
where Nora Kaufman has family members, and we're going to

663
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:37.559
see the next crime spree. We're going to be talking

664
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:41.440
about nineteen seventy six, which is the Oakland County child killer.

665
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.920
And so when I say that Jack has left California

666
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:48.719
moved to Minnesota, we do not see any more murders

667
00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:52.840
in California. And if there are murders in California, Jack

668
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:56.320
has literally got something in court back with a doctor

669
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.880
or in court back in California during the time it happens.

670
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:03.039
So it's it's not insane that when I say Jack

671
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.559
is not here, the murders are not happening. If Jack

672
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.480
is here, we're going to start seeing murders. We're going

673
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.599
to see murders in Minnesota. We're going to see murders

674
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.039
in Michigan. We're going to talk about the phone book

675
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:14.159
that was found from a gal who just up and

676
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:19.079
disappeared in nineteen seventy seven. At the same time, Jack

677
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:23.639
left Minnesota and moved back to Texas. We see this

678
00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:26.960
gal up and just disappear, and well maybe it was

679
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.559
nineteen seven, No, nineteen seventy seven, because I think that

680
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.880
was Timothy King. I think I believe that the murders began.

681
00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:38.039
I got stuff on King. He was one of the

682
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.639
attorneys that I think had something to do with Little

683
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:44.360
Lenny Schultz. I mean, there's there's so much that. Yeah,

684
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.239
there's stuff going on there. So who's little.

685
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:50.480
Schultz.

686
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.719
He's a mob guy. He's a mob guy, and I

687
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:59.039
think he was, Yeah, he's the and he's running the

688
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:04.400
couch company. Joshua Dor Yeah he's Yeah. I think he

689
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:10.159
was part of the d n C for Kennedy elected.

690
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:13.159
I'm trying to remember. But a lot going on there

691
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:19.639
and place what was that? That's what I'm saying. Jack

692
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:23.280
is now getting in place to help kill Hafa and

693
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.280
g and Conna in seventy five.

694
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:29.920
And where's position? Where's his location at this time?

695
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:36.960
G and Conna is now he was, Oh God, I'm

696
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:41.559
trying to remember oak Park, oak Park, Michigan, I think,

697
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:44.840
so wow, or Chicago in.

698
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:46.639
The heart of it. And like like I said, it

699
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:49.320
always seems like he's there for a particular job, and

700
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.639
everybody else on the outside is meant to look random,

701
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.800
as if it's some random serial killing spree.

702
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.800
Yeah, so he's in position, and uh I got some

703
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:05.400
information Jack being in position somewhere in that region doing

704
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:10.239
something with the ROTC, you know, helping to train some

705
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:13.679
young boys too. I mean, there's so much that he's

706
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:17.400
now in position. That was their main thing was to

707
00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:20.119
get g and Khanna and Hafa. They've spent like ten

708
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:21.239
years doing that.

709
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.159
So now the move makes sense. So Jack is left

710
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:28.639
to scout out Minnesota, and of course we always see

711
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.159
one murder that occurs. Then he comes back, he gets

712
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.840
the family, and when he's moving into town with the family,

713
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:36.559
it appears as though he's this new family man who

714
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.559
has just moved into the area. Couldn't possibly be responsible

715
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:43.039
for the initial murder that occurred three four weeks before

716
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:47.920
because he wasn't there. And then we always see an

717
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:50.000
exit murder at the same time, so we'll be looking

718
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.440
for those to come up. It is a pattern that happens.

719
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:56.199
He's only around wherever he is committing that particular crime

720
00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:00.239
for approximately ten to eleven months in most cases, and

721
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.719
we're going to see that pattern wrap up around Minnesota,

722
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:06.599
and some interesting information that we've developed over the time

723
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:11.599
through stories from Dennis Kaufman, Jack's own information and receipts

724
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:14.360
that he's capped it again. Just blows my mind the

725
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:17.880
things that Jack kept. Why haul this stuff around with you?

726
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.119
Why pay for this stuff to stay in storage? Most

727
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:22.880
people would have kicked it, but Jack kept every single

728
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:26.920
one of them. That brings us down. Last night seventy.

729
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:30.760
I was going to say that way he has that way,

730
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:33.920
he's holding a lot of power there. He's got the

731
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:37.639
goose on people, you know, by keep it with him.

732
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:40.840
In his second term, Nixon ordered an airlift to resupply

733
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:43.920
Israeli losses in the Yom Kapor War, a war which

734
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.440
led to the oil crisis at home. Do we have

735
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:49.320
We've there's never been an oil crisis like, come on,

736
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.239
we've always had so much oil to literally just use

737
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.159
it as a way to pump up the money and

738
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:56.679
make extra profits and then drop it back down. How

739
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:58.480
all of a sudden do you have enough supply when

740
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.199
last month you didn't. It's actually kind of a pattern.

741
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:03.159
If you look at it throughout the year, you'll discover

742
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.280
when they actually raise those gas prices. It's their turn

743
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:09.599
to make some money and gain the extra profits, and

744
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.519
then they usually dip down and reduce the price of

745
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:14.320
that gas when they want us to either go on

746
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.679
vacation or buy for the holidays or Mother's Day or

747
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.800
Valentine's Day. You notice that the gas always goes down,

748
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:22.840
and that's for us to have a little bit of

749
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:24.920
relief in what we're paying so that we'll go spend

750
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:29.519
money elsewhere. By late nineteen seventy three, the Nixon administration's

751
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.039
involvement in water data rode in his support in Congress

752
00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:34.559
in the county. On August ninth of nineteen seventy four,

753
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:38.440
facing almost certain impeachment and removal from office, Nixon resigned

754
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:42.039
the presidency. Afterwards, he was issued a pardon by his successor,

755
00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:44.679
Gerald Ford. This is just sickening you guys, that you

756
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:47.199
can just simply say, you know what, peace, I'll resign

757
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:52.400
and avoid any type of criminal punishment for whatever it

758
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.159
was that you were involved with. So he's looking at

759
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:57.000
impeachment and removal from office, but he just gets to

760
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.480
resign instead and then is issued a pardon.

761
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:09.079
We we just you know that they're knowing that Nixon

762
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.519
is going to resign, so and then of course Ford,

763
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:17.320
who's kind of you know, unfortunately or fortunately in on things,

764
00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:20.000
said well, I got to pardon this guy because if

765
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:22.440
I don't, it brings me down to so you know,

766
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.400
it's it's a double edged sword.

767
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.599
Yeah, that's exactly right. That's exactly like I think it

768
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:35.920
was Bush pardoning or doing something for somebody who was

769
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:39.360
in the middle of a lawsuit for criminal activities that

770
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:42.440
would have implicated Bush. So to make that case go

771
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.000
away means that Bush's name never gets brought up and

772
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:48.280
pardons her once again handed down. It's a consistent thing

773
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:51.280
that we're going to see this actually with Henry le Lucas,

774
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.960
which is absolutely mind boggling. But he literally should never

775
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.239
have been given in a pardon for anything because he

776
00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.840
absolutely was a killer. He just didn't kill all the

777
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.920
people he was working with the Texas Rangers to close

778
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:04.880
cases on, and I think that was to the tune

779
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.039
of something like two hundred murders. He tried to accept

780
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:12.679
culpability for across the United States until a very honest

781
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:15.000
attorney showed up and said, you couldn't even have been there,

782
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.280
You couldn't even have committed these crimes? How did you

783
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:20.400
get this inside information? We're going to talk about those

784
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.159
type of government cover ups as well.

785
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:23.440
Now.

786
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:25.800
I toyed around with the idea that the Zodiac killer

787
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:28.480
communications needed to be printed in the newspaper to get

788
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:30.880
them to his handlers or co conspirators, and that there

789
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.599
is a possibility that the newspapers were facilitating these messages.

790
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.559
Her seems to be somewhere in the mix. Always in

791
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:41.679
order for the newspapers to take him serious, he needed

792
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:44.039
to kill I have also considered that he may be

793
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:46.840
the author for a group of individuals on some task

794
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:50.079
for a higher authority. This new theory might explain why

795
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:53.039
some believe that the Zodiac Killer took credit for crimes

796
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:57.239
he didn't commit. Speaking with I don't know when I

797
00:44:57.239 --> 00:44:59.760
wrote this. Speaking with my boyfriend about this new message

798
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.559
to the Zodiac Killer, he came upon a legitimate hypothesis

799
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:06.360
based on Zodiac as the whole and as the message

800
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:09.960
to the Zodiac Killer, called Libra two upcoming questions Zodiac

801
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:13.679
messages to Cancer and Leo, which I believe discusses the

802
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:17.119
DDE cooper upcoming hijacking, and the mind name is Cipher

803
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:21.719
that clearly outlines the tour symbols three times, with thirteen symbols,

804
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:26.039
one zodiac, the handler, and twelve constellations. Jack had a

805
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:29.639
fascination with Constellation mountains in Arizona, and he told a

806
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.000
story that three men went in and only two came

807
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:34.559
out to Dennis. So that means that they killed somebody

808
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:38.719
in those mountains if that's to be believed. What if

809
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:41.239
the statement this is the Zodiac speaking is meant to

810
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.199
refer to a group and is signed off as a

811
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:46.159
group with the Zodiac killer symbol. I do not recall

812
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.599
it this. I do not recall it this time. If

813
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.760
there's any let me finish Harriet, I do not recall

814
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:56.000
it this time. If there's any communication that specifically says

815
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.559
I am the Zodiac Killer and intend to keep a

816
00:45:58.599 --> 00:46:01.679
lookout for this reference, this would reinforce the notion of

817
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.559
we found in the John Beney ramsay and the nine

818
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:08.800
eleven communications. The finding in Harriet solves that indicates Jack

819
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:11.199
is telling on others who committed crimes that he did not.

820
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:14.039
It was almost proposed that he was the mail man,

821
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.159
which might explain his ability to get these communications moving

822
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.199
in the manner that he did this coupled with Harriet

823
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:23.199
solves Dvild just some interesting questions. I end up with

824
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:26.719
more questions than I have answers. The next hypothesis I

825
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.679
plan on exploring is based on the Zodiac Group movement.

826
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:33.400
The afterthought of sending a key code to Sergeant Lynch

827
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:36.280
even though it had already been publicly announced that the

828
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.679
Hardens had solved the four A weight. So what was

829
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.000
the need for this letter if the message had already

830
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:43.639
been solved, What was the need to send multiple messages

831
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:47.280
to multiple locations. Harriet Soouchet believes that these codes have

832
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.159
been running through an ongoing group for hundreds of years,

833
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.159
which might explain the earlier messages found with the gun

834
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:56.880
Sight sign off. He accidentally knew too much. Now, this

835
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:59.920
was back in nineteen thirty four, and was Jack Obby

836
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:03.039
was not old enough to have been killing people and

837
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.519
leaving these messages. But it would conclude that only if

838
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:08.760
it was a group for hundreds of years that's been

839
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:12.480
doing this, it would be the Mob as far as

840
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.320
I'm concerned. That's who's been around running our country for

841
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.239
the longest time. Might explain the earlier messages found with

842
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:20.960
the gun Sight sign off. He accidentally knew too much.

843
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.039
Dennis's recollection of a group of men picking up Jack's

844
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:27.719
urn and meeting in South Lake Tahoe. This might help

845
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.679
to confirm the z at the bottom of the Sherry

846
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:33.119
Joe Bates messages as being a sign off for the

847
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:36.880
group and looking at these decodes. So I know that

848
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:38.960
there was a point in time when Dennis said that

849
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.280
they had cremated Jack and they were holding a service

850
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.079
for him, and a group of men in black suits

851
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:48.119
showed up, walked in, didn't say a word to anybody,

852
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:51.079
did not have permission, grabbed Jack's earn, left with it,

853
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.639
and then brought it back a few days later. And

854
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.280
another time he told me he was meeting in South

855
00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:58.920
Lake Tahoe some individuals he thought that was going to

856
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.920
help him close the case on the zodiac, and these men,

857
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.880
also in black had told Dennis he's okay if he

858
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:07.800
sticks to just the zodiac murders, do not look into

859
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.519
anything else. And of course there I was busting his

860
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.239
balls about all these other things that I believed that

861
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.719
Jack was involved with, and he was a little bit scared.

862
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:20.800
I'm not gonna lie about that. That gives us about

863
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:24.679
two minutes I could step into the personal ads, and

864
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:26.440
I and you do have a solve for that, but

865
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:28.079
it gives us two minutes to do it. How do

866
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:32.159
you feel about that? You want to say that you're.

867
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:34.000
Going to have to read? Yeah, you can read.

868
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:38.239
We've only got We've only got one minute now, so

869
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.800
we'll save the personal ads. Yeah, we'll save the personal

870
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:42.840
ads for next week. So what is there anything that

871
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:43.480
you would like to.

872
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:50.920
Add that the cross circle that you found that's talked about,

873
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.239
you know, up near the van of whatever. Uh, there

874
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.880
were people that thought and even I think Terry B

875
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.679
said that also that that was also perfect for you know,

876
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.559
something that you could see if you're flying low for

877
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:08.440
a landing spot. So you know that cartels and government

878
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:11.119
people might need to use that. So that's right.

879
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:14.920
Yeah, if they saw it through a three D satellite

880
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:20.000
imaging and discovered supposedly this rock formation through that, then

881
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:21.840
it would definitely have been able to be seen by

882
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:27.599
plane and the kicker in hell Hole matches lo and

883
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:30.079
behold the count Marko letters. So it happened to be

884
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.159
positioned in this presentation absolutely perfect. I think that's all

885
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:36.760
we have you guys. I hope everybody has a wonderful weekend.

886
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:39.360
Thank you again, Harriet for all your support and help

887
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:43.199
in this These solves are always interesting and intriguing. I

888
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:45.519
want everybody to enjoy themselves and we'll see you next

889
00:49:45.559 --> 00:50:03.360
Friday and family