June 27, 2025

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Getting back to the Zodiac Killer, Jack’s whereabouts, and new communications. Texas is seeing a ramp up in murders during times that Jack would naturally visit his mother, and witnesses recall a security officer or police officer uniform on the suspect. Work reports from Jack as a security sergeant on contract to Hewlett Packard shows he has a natural lack of respect for women.

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'm excited to be back actually into the presentation. We

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have a year full of murders of Jack's whereabouts, what

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he's doing with Hewlett Packard, and of course a new

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communication that's just out of the blue. Actually there's about

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three of them, two of which I'm not quite sure

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their origination or what those letters said. They were found

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in the FBI Foy files. But we're going to try

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and get to the bottom of those, and of course

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helping me with that today is Harriet Soouchet.

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Yes, good morning, good today.

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Well, we're just climbing right back in at this point.

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So if there is somebody in the murder scheme here

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that you have either seen their name in any of

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the communications, or have information in regards to them, then please,

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you know, interject and climb in, because I'm really just

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gonna run through these rather quickly. A lot of them

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don't have a lot of information in regards to them

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other than they where they died or maybe where they

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were taken from, and of course the manner of death.

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Other than that, there's just not a lot of information

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out there on the internet since the murders are so old,

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and they actually kind of pre date the time that

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things were being loaded onto the internet, so we don't

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see a lot of information on these unsolved murders. So basically,

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we left off at the end of October nineteen eighty four,

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so we're climbing right back into November nineteen eighty four,

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and we have Robert William Hope, thirty two years of age.

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It looks like he was on the eighteen hundred block

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of North Park Kingwood, Texas at two pm. A constable

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was attempting to serve Hope with civil papers at his

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residence and found him lying face down in the kitchen

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shop multiple times. Now, it doesn't indicate whether or not

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they felt this was a robbery, which I usually do

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see those you know, mentioned in some of the information.

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So if there wasn't a robbery that occurred here, then

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it sounds to me like somebody had a personal grudge.

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Christmas of nineteen eighty four, we know that we are

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seeing Christmas at the Kirby Street address via Nora's handwriting

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on the back of the pictures. It does indicate in

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Jack's paperwork his probation report that he is at this

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same address, though I did not see any pictures of

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him during this timeframe. And we know that previous to this,

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Jack and Nora had gone through a divorce and Jack

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had the assault with a deadly weapon charge that he

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is on probation for, which is why we are seeing

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these reports as described. And when I'm looking at these

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Christmas pictures, I of course I was a kid during

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these timeframes, and if you had you had parents that

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were not working or in between work. As much as

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we saw Jack during these years, we see what I

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consider to be a huge amount of presents, you know,

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I mean, for any typical household, they have approximately four

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children at this point. We can see here is Charles

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to the left and Dennis to the right. In this

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Christmas picture here. We know that Dennis has two sisters,

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so we're working with four children here that we have

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to provide Christmas for. And at this point in time,

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Jack is merely making about three hundred and twelve dollars

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bi weekly, So breaking that down is basically one hundred

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and fifty six dollars a week. So where is this

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extra money coming for? Or from? Should I say? I mean,

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we see pipes, we see all kinds of stuff that's

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going on in here.

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He's working, but he's just not officially working.

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He's he's definitely working well.

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And I mean one hundred and fifty six dollars a week.

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That sounds even awfully low for that time frame.

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Mm hmm.

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Maybe even to say that he's not even working full time.

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I mean one hundred and fifty six dollars, what does that?

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Oh God, if I wanted to break that down to

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forty if he was actively doing forty hours for one

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hundred and fifty six dollars a week, I mean you're

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talking three dollars an hour.

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It's yeah, it would basically be I think close to

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minimum wage of the time period.

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Maybe that's something I should be Wow. Yeah, And a

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security guard at that so you've got, you know, the

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dangers of being a security guard because your job is

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to protect, and of course that means that sometimes, as

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we'll see in some of Jack's reports, you're coming up

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against some violent offenders even though they're working at the

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Hewlett Packard plant. All right, m hm switch. I did

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find a new article in my research from the Lake

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very Essa murders. So I thought this one was interesting

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to read because again it takes us back to the hood,

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which we've been talking about the way that media has

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portrayed it. Oh my gosh. All right, hold up, let's

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talk about media portrayal just for one second. I did

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not really want to climb into anything on the nine

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to eleven attacks, but I did watch a documentary on

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it a few nights ago. Of course, they were still

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hard hitting at Oh goodness, Ivans and hat film. Of

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course half film. We know that they dove in deep

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on him, stating he was the possible suspect, which then

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hat Phil sued because he was not the suspect and

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he won a ridiculous amount of money in the area

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of millions, and so of course they had focused on

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Ivans first, then they focused on Hatville and then they

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went back and focused on Ivans again, and at the

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end of the documentary, the media portrayed that the case

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was closed on February nineteenth of twenty ten on Ivans,

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and I about fell out of my chair when this happened.

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Do you recall that period in our life when we

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were dealing.

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With I believe they closed it. They just automatically said

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he so homicided and.

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That was it.

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Well when they Dennis and I were together at this

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particular point in time, when we about lost our minds

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when we saw the press release that the FBI stated

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that they were closing the anthrax case on Ivans. Now

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when we lost our crap, I of course called then

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the FBI investigator and explained to him that we had

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looked at the handwriting and they're closing it on the

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wrong person. And we literally had to wait almost an

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entire week to get anything back. But on February twenty

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sixth of twenty ten, the Congress came back out with

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the press release a follow up to the FBI and said,

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you were not closing this case on Ivans. He doesn't

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match them, His handwriting doesn't match. There is no way

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you're going to close this on this man, you don't

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have the evidence to do so. Now, the press release

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for them closing the case went worldwide, like everybody, So

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this same tangent that the media uses to go out

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there and create mass confusion like the case having been closed,

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was that they that went all over the world. But

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then a week later, on February twenty six, when the

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press release from Congress came out said no, you're not

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closing the case on Ivans. That was at a bare minimum,

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a complete, little, tiny, little press release that got almost

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little to no attention, and I half believed that it

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probably didn't even play across the world as it did

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when they released the fact they were going to close

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the case on Ivans. So they put out mass media

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in regards to a closure, and very little words are

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said about the act that Nope, nothing matches, guys, you

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are not closing this case on Ivans. So imagine my

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shock when I'm watching this particular documentary to see that

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at the end of it. You know how they always

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like give you a this person ended up doing six years,

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or this person ended up putting out or this is

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what happened. So at the very end, of this documentary.

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Across the screen came the words the case has been

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closed on Bruce Ivans on February nineteenth of twenty ten.

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What a freaking joke that these documentaries can get away

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with this, and where do they get their information if

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they didn't actively investigate the fact that there was a

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follow up from Congress saying you're not closing this case

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on Ivans. He doesn't match.

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Mm hmmm.

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He wouldn't be the first person.

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I I was just going to say, I remember seeing

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those letters on Boit's Zodiac dot com and he was saying,

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it looks this handwriting match. He was saying it, this

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handwriting matches the Zodiac.

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I guess he's alive. I remember that. I remember here Fials.

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I was like, I remember hearing I remember hearing the

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same thing, just you know, the public muddling about after

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the nine to eleven and the anthrax attacks making a

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statement that the anthrax letters were mailed by the Zodiac,

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and I thought these people were freaking nuts. I'm like

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this guy, he was nothing but a serial killer for

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a very short period of time back in the sixty

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sixty eight sixty nine era. You guys are absolutely nuts.

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Little did I know what I'd be climbing into and

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what the zodiac was truly apart.

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Its right, it's Jack Finds one on one handwriting the stamps.

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Everything I've done to all of those it's mind blowing yes,

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And we will be making those connections later on. So

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in this particular article here, this.

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Is where I want to say that this was something

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that was developed in something that came out shortly after

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the murders, the murder at Lake Berry sn the attempted

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murder of Brian Hart. Now, but the media literally controls

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the narrative for what the public's going to believe. And

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at some point in time when they decided, and I

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don't know if it was Robert gray Smith that put

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it out there in attempts to try and dispel the

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truth about the hood itself, but they perpetrated this square

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hood that supposedly like a paper sack on top upside

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down on someone's head, when anybody who has ever dealt

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with material knows that a material square shaped hood is

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not going to sit upright in a square manner like that.

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So I highly disbelieve the notion that gray Smith has

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given us, or Voight has given us or any of

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these other people in the med that this thing was

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actually like a paper sack upside down versus what we're

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going to read in this article. So it says nap

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a slaying. Scores of tips are checked out. NAP and

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Valao authorities investigated scores of tips on the suspected code

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killer today, the day of the funeral of the latest victim,

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Active blonde co ed Cecilia and Shepherd twenty two. The

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leads resulted from the publication of composite sketches and a

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description of the suspects seen at Lake Barriessa by the

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three girls about three hours before the stabbing of miss

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Shepherd and her boyfriend Brian Hart now twenty Now. The

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interesting part is that they claim that the suspect that

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they're looking for is something that is stalking these three

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girls or standing around gawking at them. If you will,

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you can go to just about any beach and be

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gawkeed at. There's always some creeper in the corner that's

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staring at all the females. Doesn't make them killers, but

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it's interesting that they're now focusing on this particular suspect.

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It says, however, neither sheriffs nor police officers reported locating

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the likely slayer of four young persons since last December,

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still serious. Meanwhile, Hartnell remained on the serious list and

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under protective guard at Queen of the Valley Hospital. The

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services for the University of California at Riverside Senior Music

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major are scheduled at two pm today in the sanctuary

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of Pacific Union College church. She attended that college before

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transferring this year. Authorities awaited the results of fingerprint comparisons

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by the computerized laboratories of the FBI in Washington, d C.

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Prints were obtained from a payphone booth in Napa, from

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which the killer apparently reported the crime to police. Now,

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what I want to know is is that, for Heaven's sake,

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you're talking about a public payphone. Do you know how

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many people back in the day were actively using these things?

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Everybody and their mother?

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Yeah, so, so many fingerprints are on.

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There my hands, and how do we determine which ones

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are actively those of the Zodiac killer. Doesn't mean that

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they made identification of all other finger prints on that phone,

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on that phone booth except for one set, and that

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they then attributed that to the Zodiac. I'm just I

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really want to understand how they sorted this information outing.

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They were making sure and that's my opinion.

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I mean, it's it's inevitable that they get to the phone,

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they know he's going.

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To use it.

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It's cleaned off, he rans it, it's all staged. And

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this is this is a huge conspiracy to go after

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who they believed has something to do with kill for

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these two. It has something to do with who killed

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Martin Luther King. That's the souls I got Christmas friends

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of the Kennedys.

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So I feel like the Zodiac Killer making note in

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one of his communications that he will cement airplane cement

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on his fingertips. Do you prevent any source of fingerprints

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being left behind? I feel like that was him calling

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out the media because he automatically already knew that the

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media was telling stories.

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Well, how about the poem prints on the phone, all

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this stuff that could be the wood of some maybees.

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Well, why would you why would you do just your fingers?

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If you wouldn't do your entire hand.

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You'll be like this and the old fashioned phone.

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No, no, I get how you'd hold it, but I mean,

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obviously the Zodiac understands countermeasures to being caught, and how

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to cover up the type of forensics that they would

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use to make identifications. Why would you only apply it

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to your fingertips and not to your entire hand. I

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mean your hand, every your entire hand has a surface

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of ridges that can be specifically identified creases. I mean,

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there's a lot of identification that's found inside the palm,

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not just on the fingerprints. Well, anyway, with.

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The mindset that it was pretty much a conspiracy to

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do these things, and somebody who's following him and said, oh, yeah,

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that's our guy. He's on the phone now, and you know,

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verify that the prints are his, but they just disappear.

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You know, Well, I've.

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Seen the palm print. It's not clear enough for me

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to make out the ridges on it, but it definitely

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they definitely have one in the case file. But how

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are again, how are we to know that those are

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the zodiacs? Again, I'm just just bring that out.

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There's all these speculations I'm going with that they were

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taking pictures from above.

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With the satellites.

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We were the only people that really had those satellite

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kept capabilities to do.

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That at that time.

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Yeah, that's where Robert Abel comes in and NASA and

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all that you know, right there in Texas where Jack

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was very familiar with. So the guys in the sky,

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the Ice of Texas are upon you all the live

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long day, the Ice of Texas.

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Huh okay that out of that, well, it goes on

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to say they were. They also were tracing a light

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blue Chevrolet driven by the suspect and other evidence left

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at the knifeing scene, a remote Southwest Lake shore spot.

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So again I still have not seen the words Chevy

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and Paula from any of these individuals. And like I said,

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we determined that the vehicle that Nora had that Jack

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may have had access to, was a Chevy Biscayne, but

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it was a two door light blue Chevy. And here

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it says it just says light blue Chevrolet. So I

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still haven't seen the words in any of the communicator

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or i'm any of the articles or police reports or

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otherwise that stayed specific the specific model a vehicle, just

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a light blue Chevrolet. So it says. A psychiatrist suggested

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today the slayer may be psychotic rather than psychopathic. This

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is indicated he said, by his full blown delusions. Also,

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he may be hopped up with narcotics or dangerous drugs

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at the time of his murders, which may account for

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the laughing frenzies he goes into during the crimes. So

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let's talk about that for a minute. I mean, we

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definitely see Jack in some psychotic pictures. I mean, he

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looks absolutely insane after killing the next door neighbors animals. Yeah,

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we know that he did meet them beta means, and

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he made met them beta means. It's something that he

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taught Dennis how to do, and Dennis picked up on

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and continued with. And so this whole laughing frenzy and

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the notion that he may be on drugs are all

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still consistent. Jack cannot be excluded from that. And that's

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another thing, you know, I almost want to discuss about

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all of these other fake suspects. Nobody has any evidence

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that these individuals were involved with drugs. But we're going

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to talk about some of the things that the Zodiac

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did say which are consistent with some of the things

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that we're looking at.

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Well, we know that he's constantly looking for that cure,

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the peote stamp.

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Thing, right, Well, but I think that's outside of and

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that's a drug in itself.

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I mean honestly, I.

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Mean, I'm from the Nampa area.

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I knew older people who were doing that crazy stuff.

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Let's go in everything.

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But anyway, so we know he's got some weird connection

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to that, and he's trying.

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To rank and here's on the hood they said there.

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There also was speculation that the squareish again squareish. I

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love that they use the proper word to describe because

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instead of being pointed, instead of being rounded, we had

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a squarish hood. They did not say square like a

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paper sack. They did not give any specific indications as

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to what that top looked like. But again, we know

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how material works, and that simpainly would not have stood

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up the way they portrayed in their books. In the media,

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the squarish black hood worn by the Killer at Lake

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Berry Esa may be similar to those worn by some

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motorcycle gangs, or the idea for it may have originated

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in a comic strip which shows an executioner with a

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squarish black hood and big islets plus a curly cue

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symbol on his chest, or it may be a combination

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of both. Did you find what comic strip they were

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talking about that that was in?

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I think that would be something like way back there,

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thirties forties, which when we know we're dealing with first

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the big newspapers of the.

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Time, comic strips. Yeah, I'm always using something, yeah, always

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using something from the media. We do know that Jack

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did ride motorcycle. He had a motorcycle that was purportedly

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owned by Doris Reynolds, but he was in possession of it,

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and when he had brought back Danny Reynolds to his

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house in South Lake, Tahoe, he had to file a

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police report against Danny Reynolds for attempting or having stolen

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this motorcycle, even though it had been wrecked and probably

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wasn't in a good running position. Jack reported it as

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being stolen even though it was technically owned by Danny's mom.

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All right, I think it's the motorcycle that he was

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allegedly driving the night that he busted up his shoulder

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leaving Cooper time that Dennis said he remembered that.

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It's a little I mean emphatically, he remembered.

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It right well, And evidently it is true in formed,

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because we are seeing that stuff in police reports, as

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indicated earlier in the presentation. So now this brings me

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back to Dennis Kaufman's book, in which case he has

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a He's got a little bit to say here. It

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says nineteen eighty five, Jack is still on probation for

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pulling a gun on Mary and I, and he is

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eventually released from probation six months early for good behavior.

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Jack has been working for three years at this time.

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This is the longest Jack ever worked since we met him.

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I believe that he stopped killing after his arrest in

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nineteen eighty three until years later when he would start

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where he had left off. And that's why I say

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we're going about to pick up pretty heavy. In nineteen

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eighty five, it says from nineteen eighty five through nineteen

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eighty eight, Jack was deeply into hypnosis. He said that

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he could reprogram his subconscious mind by us self hypnosis.

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I never thought about it, but I wonder what he

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was trying to reprogram. Was it his desire to kill?

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By nineteen eighty six, Jack appeared to everyone that he

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was a changed man. It had been five years since

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he quit drinking, and even apologized to me about how

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he had treated me when I was growing up. Jack

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worked and lived in the same place for nine years

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until he retired at age sixty three in nineteen ninety one. Asterix.

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I'm sure that Jack felt pretty comfortable wearing his security

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uniform because he looked like a police officer and no

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one would ever suspect him of anything. During his three

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year involvement with self hypnosis, he would try and detach

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himself from his body. He wanted to leave his body

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and travel around in a formless state. In nineteen eighty eight,

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Jack achieved this goal. He said that he had lifted

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up out of his body and that it is all

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he would say. He never talked about or practiced hypnosis. Again,

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Jack had experienced something that scared the shit out of him.

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How would he or he would never talk about what

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he had experienced. So over here on the right hand corner,

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we can see this self hypgnosis symbol that Dennis is

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talking about that Jack would use. I believe he said

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that he would use a penny on a string.

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Yeah, pendulum, pendulum.

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Yeah.

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So basically, as you look around this, you see clockwise,

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you see clockwise, you see I'm not sure what the

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c W is. Clockwise clockwise, so that's all clockwise and

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then counterclockwise. But he has a CWI, and I'm not

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sure what that means. But the other thing.

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Is means counterclockwise.

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It's still well, but yeah, so CCW is counterclockwise. So

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this one CCW going colounterclockwise, and then there's CW CWCW,

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but then c W I on the bottom left quarter

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of this particular circle. The part that really interests me

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is that at the top it says, don't know, So

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you just don't know the answer.

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Okay, venis I don't know. That's what it is.

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I don't want to know. Okay. He placed that eye

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so close to the CW that it's part of the

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actual statement. So at the top it indicates if the

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pendulum swings in this area in a particular order, that

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he doesn't know the answer to the question. And at

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the bottom it says, I don't want to know.

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That's you know, it's I have a pendulum upstairs. If

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I remember right, it was supposed to be on the string.

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I can tell you that when Dennis wrote this book

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he did not know the things that I know, like

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the association to the letters from Tom Voice to Tom

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Voy from the Zodiac killer, also the experience that the

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Zodiac described in this letter to Tom Voight is very similar,

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and I'm going to read a bit of that to you,

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even though we're not not into yet when these letters

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are actually written to Tom Voit. But if we looked

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where he said he wanted to be lifted up out

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of his body, and that is all he would say

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now in a letter direct to Tomvod from the Zodiac Killer,

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it says, in those years, I was an LSD and

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heroin addict with a taste for the bizarre, subcultural and

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underground lifestyles. I would have brownouts of consciousness that could

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literally last for days. In that state I experienced the

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graphic deeds of the Zodiac Killer is if I was

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an observer, not the perpetrator. So that's as if to

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say he is up and out of his body.

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I mean he's under mk ultra.

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I got myself all kinds of goosebumps right now.

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Those two I'm getting, okay, ok.

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Those two statements, one from Dennis one from the Zodiac

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are so closely related to each other in the sense

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it's like hypnosis in itself is supposed to be lifting

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you up out of your body. Basically, what did Jack recognize?

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What came to mind? What hit Jack, and what scared

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Jack now intrigues me just as much as it probably

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did Dennis. Another series of murders that were going on

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during this time was twelve homeless people in Bombay, India.

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They called them the Stoneman murders, but obviously this gained

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national intention and was all over the world that these

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were taking place. May again been just for media sales

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and again newspapers, who knows. I mean, honestly speaking, every

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time I see one of these things pop up and

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disappear as fast as they started, it always makes me

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wonder what's really going on, because this just truly is

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not how serial killers work. They take a break, sure,

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but then they eventually come back around again. I mean,

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it's not very often you see them go through killing

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spreez to never ever do it again. I mean, how

468
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:06.720
do you get your kicks off of something like that

469
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:08.599
and then control it for the rest of your life

470
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:13.519
to never do it again. On March sixth of nineteen

471
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:16.599
eighty five, we have an Hewlett Packard report from Jack

472
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:20.400
that shows him still at Hewlett Packard. He is complimenting

473
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:23.079
an officer who seemingly has a problem with other female

474
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:26.000
employees and behaves in a manner less than acceptable, but

475
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.960
Jack is giving him a recommendation. It really kind of

476
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:34.720
speaks volumes to Jack's ability or willingness to allow women

477
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:39.039
to be degraded and then still promote that male in

478
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:43.400
the face of that type of degradation. So at sea

479
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:47.519
here this is what the report says. Officer Browning has

480
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:51.240
had several complaints registered against him by employees at Heleott Packard,

481
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:54.799
especially female employees, that his conversation with them has been

482
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:58.839
less than desirable and to the point of vulgar insinuations.

483
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:01.839
He has had one complaint from a female employee that

484
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.359
he touched her in such a way that was undesirable.

485
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.559
On several occasions, Officer Browning's off key jokes have been

486
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:11.559
told in such a loud voice that the HP employees

487
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:14.680
have found them to be undesirable and have commented about

488
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:18.599
his contact being very unbecoming of that of a security officer.

489
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:22.920
During his tour of duty at Hewlett Packard, Soo Browning

490
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.759
has proven his ability and knowledge of his job. He

491
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:29.559
has been a willing and reliable worker and cooperative fellow employee,

492
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.720
and it is felt that his talents could be used

493
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:37.039
to CPP's advantage at a different post. So I mean,

494
00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:42.160
I get kind of sickened by this that he is promoting.

495
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.839
Is okay, he doesn't fit in an HP because of

496
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:52.000
his innuendos and his jokes and his flippant behavior towards females.

497
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.000
I mean, we clearly didn't have a zero tolerance policy

498
00:28:56.119 --> 00:28:59.720
back in nineteen eighty five, because otherwise this guy wouldn't

499
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:01.599
be getting away with this stuff. It had been fired

500
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:02.319
on the spot.

501
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.400
Can I say something, because this is one of the

502
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:10.160
biggest reasons I ended up in the Zodiac cases. This

503
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:13.960
is I believe, almost ten years to the day, where

504
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:18.759
I witnessed some really strange activities of laundry like Zodiac

505
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:25.519
laid out a certain way at Sigmund Stern Grove and

506
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.599
my mind's I can still see it looks like it's

507
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.359
uniform material, like the uniforms they wore there. And it

508
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:35.200
was a woman and a man that had been found

509
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:39.319
in the in the pond or there, face down, and

510
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:43.200
I never got to find out what that was about,

511
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.759
but I remember those that clothing, and it's almost ten

512
00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:50.720
years to the day. It was nineteen ninety five. It

513
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.400
scared my dog so much she never wanted to go

514
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:58.759
back to the park there. So this is another reason

515
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.440
why I got into the Zodiac cases. That was Zodiac

516
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:03.119
one on one to laundry everything.

517
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:07.440
Well, I mean this letter speaks to me in a

518
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.160
couple different ways. One, there's a disregard for females, and

519
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:13.240
we can see that clearly. If he's going to promote

520
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.359
a person or state that a person should, you know,

521
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.039
go to another spot because he's offended too many females

522
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:20.839
here rather than having been fired, then there's a disregard

523
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:24.839
for females. Second off is that the I forty five

524
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:28.960
killings and the Texas murders. I have read on several

525
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:33.000
occasions that people had witnessed somebody who appeared to be

526
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.240
either in a police or a security uniform, that they

527
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.839
looked like a professional assisting someone on the side of

528
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.160
the road before that person either went missing or was

529
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:49.799
found dead. So we have that Jack again, is it? Yeah, Well,

530
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:51.920
he's in possession of it. I don't know that it

531
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.640
links him as much as you can't exclude him because

532
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:57.960
of it. You know, he's now fitting the description during

533
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:01.240
a timeframe that a rational murders or and they believe

534
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:05.440
that a possible suspect was wearing some type of a uniform,

535
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:08.279
and Jack is in possession of ones, and we see

536
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.960
him back and forth to Texas all the time. In fact,

537
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:16.640
here's one trip back to Texas. So we do know

538
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:19.960
that he completed this final report that we got the

539
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:24.799
information from. About who he's working from for Pinkerton, well

540
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:28.079
it's Hewlett Packard, but he's on contract from Pinkerton, and

541
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.079
of course he doesn't mail it until for one of

542
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:32.319
nineteen eighty five. I'm not sure who gets away with that,

543
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.039
because you obviously did not comply with your rules of

544
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.000
probation if you're not filling out your reports properly and

545
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.799
timely and getting them in when they should be when

546
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:43.799
they should be sent in. This report was written September

547
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.799
first of nineteen eighty four, but not mailed until April

548
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:50.079
of nineteen eighty five, which is where we're sitting now.

549
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.119
We see another report from Jack. It says on four

550
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:58.559
six eighty five, fifteen hundred, which is approximately three pm,

551
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.720
I received the telephone call and the caller stated that

552
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:07.400
referred to INCID that Annette Slagel was stealing computers from HP.

553
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:11.279
Referred to Incident of one hundred thousand dollars computers stolen

554
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:14.359
in January of eighty five. Caller said she was supporting

555
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:17.599
her cocaine habit real deep voice. I did not hear

556
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.839
any background noises. I tried to get I love that

557
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.799
he spelled. Tried with why to get the caller to

558
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.079
identify himself, no success, and he spelled that with one s.

559
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.519
So we see some of these habits that we seen

560
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.720
by the zodiac to not use the proper double letters

561
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:39.960
to misspell words. Jack's got it honest. April sixth and

562
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:43.200
nineteen eighty five. That HP report Okay, wait a minute,

563
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:47.559
describe deep voice, but no identity and again not sure

564
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:50.519
why he kept these reports. See these are reports that

565
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:54.200
I physically copied from his belongings all the way in

566
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:57.039
two thousand and nine and beyond. I mean, he dies

567
00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.240
in two thousand and six, but he lugged this stuff

568
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:03.960
around and kept it for a particular reason for sure. Jack.

569
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:09.119
Then we see this here, Jack is in Texas again

570
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.519
in nineteen eighty five, and it says on the back

571
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.720
of this picture Granny d in Texas in front of

572
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:18.000
their house or trailer in nineteen eighty five. Now, if

573
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.160
I'm not wrong, I thought Dennis had said that Jack

574
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.680
bought that trailer for Flova.

575
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:31.960
I believe so, yeah, I know that it Yeah, yeah, so,

576
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:34.400
And of course the only reason why I state that

577
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:36.440
Jack is in fact there is that we see his

578
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:40.240
VW behind them, So this is actively Jack's VW.

579
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:43.000
We've seen it in other pictures already on other trips

580
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:46.799
that he'd made it back to Texas. So we definitely,

581
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.279
we definitely know Jack's here during that time. And what

582
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.839
timeframe that is, we could only kind of try to

583
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:57.680
guesstimate based on the foliage on the trees, possibly indicating

584
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.599
that it's definitely not winter or after fall, so it's

585
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:05.160
going to be either spring or summer once the leaves

586
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:08.840
have returned to the trees. On May thirteenth of nineteen

587
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.559
eighty five, we have another murder, fifty four year old

588
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:15.559
Jody Williams James on I forty five a quarter mile

589
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:19.159
north of Tees Road on Conroad, Texas. So there's a

590
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.840
lot of stuff that's going on around Conrod, Texas. Operating

591
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.119
a tractor trailer. He pulled over, so Jody is a

592
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.280
mail He pulled over on the shoulder to complete his repairs.

593
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:33.440
Witnesses driving by observed Jody on the ground next to

594
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:36.920
his truck, waving one arm. On May fourteenth, and nineteen

595
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.920
eighty five, Jody's wallet was found along Highway one oh

596
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.639
five West, just west of Luke three point thirty six

597
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.719
toward Montgomery. His credit cards, checks, and pictures were found

598
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.880
along the same roadway, but farther west. This is another

599
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:51.480
tactic that we have witnessed the Zodiac do is take

600
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:56.199
belongings and basically on his way away from the crime scene,

601
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.639
depositing them almost as if to send people off into

602
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.000
a t rail to look for him as a suspect

603
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.559
in the opposite direction of where she's really going.

604
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:11.679
Correct, Well, I'm seeing it a leaving a coded message. Yeah,

605
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:13.920
a good possibility that the trail is going to go

606
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:19.519
certain places to let's hypothetically say it's going to say

607
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:24.719
that the street is named Jack where the purse is found.

608
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.880
You know, it's it's just the weird world of how

609
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:30.360
they were doing.

610
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.079
It's kind of like you're taking us back to Black

611
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:37.320
Dallion Lipstick killing. Black Black Dahlia is killed in Hollywood.

612
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:41.559
Dagnan's remains are found on Hollywood Boulevard and Black Dahlia's

613
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:44.800
remains are found near Dagnan Boulevard in.

614
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:55.239
The Nixon's That was Nixon's congressman control too. What do

615
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.400
you mean this all goes back? Yeah, he was, No,

616
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.360
he was when he was in h in congress that

617
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:06.079
was oh yeah, so imagines for me, it leads back

618
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.440
to circle zodiac.

619
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:10.519
Yeah, it's right.

620
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:12.760
It Okay.

621
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.119
Now we just have a string and series of murders.

622
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.559
On May thirtieth of nineteen eighty five, so our last

623
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.199
one was May thirteenth. Then on May thirtieth of nineteen

624
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.079
eighty five, we've got twenty seven year old Vicki Gail

625
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.559
Purdy found in an embankment in Honolulu. Now, this is Hawaii,

626
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.320
and it may have absolutely nothing to do with Jack,

627
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:34.639
but it did make the presentation just as being an

628
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:38.760
unsolved murder. And she was raped and strangled with her

629
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.000
hands tied behind her back. And we know that there

630
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:43.960
has been cords and tying of people up involved in

631
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.599
some of these cases. But then we hop right back

632
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:52.320
into the Texas murders with June eighth of nineteen eighty five,

633
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:58.280
unidentified human skeletal remains in Simmerin County Subdivision in Magnolia, Texas.

634
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.760
It's a white male, twenty to forty years of age,

635
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:05.719
five three or four inches in height, but nothing else.

636
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.880
Doesn't describe how he was killed or where he went

637
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.280
missing from. I have very little information on him. August

638
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.400
date of nineteen eighty five, fifty two year old Helen

639
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:21.599
Patty Frankford, neighborhood of Philadelphia Railway Maintenance Yard, stabbed nineteen

640
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.239
times and sexually assaulted. She was nude from the waist

641
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:26.440
down and had her blouse pushed up to expose a

642
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:30.800
bare chest. September of nineteen eighty five, approximately twenty three

643
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.320
to twenty six years of age. Jane Doe number two

644
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:36.519
on the League City Killing Fields. We actually figured out

645
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:42.039
who Jane Doe two is and that she is in

646
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.880
fact part of the unsolved killing sprees that occurred in

647
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.280
the League City Killing Fields. It said white female with

648
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.039
red brown hair, gunshot winto the back. So I just

649
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.079
need to update this particular entry. But the points of

650
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.000
these entries here at this point is that they fit

651
00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:59.320
within that time frame in which foliage would be on

652
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.000
the trees, when the LEAs would have already you know,

653
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:05.880
been fully bloomed and out there. So I've placed these

654
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:10.280
ones in here in order to include that the at

655
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:12.639
least there's a possibility to be looking at the Zodiac

656
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.159
killer for these and that we know Jack was in

657
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.800
Texas during this one of these timeframes, at least during

658
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:23.199
the time when the trees were in full blown. I

659
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.440
think this is going to be the last of several

660
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:29.639
of the couple's murders that occurred in Florence, Italy, and

661
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.400
that was on September eighth of nineteen eighty five. The

662
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:36.320
Lover's Lane murders, as they're dubbed, is a consistency with

663
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:40.119
the Zodiac Lover's Lane murders. It says the modus operandi

664
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:42.960
have the monster was always the same. His victims were

665
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.320
all couples who were alone, usually in a parked car

666
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:49.760
in an isolated country areas in the night. That's also

667
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:54.000
consistent with what was Burkowitz right.

668
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:57.440
No, well, I hope you can hear me.

669
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.559
But I looked at those cases and I was looking

670
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.440
for the common denominator of all their names, and those

671
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:09.599
two right there ran a store, I mean a shoe store,

672
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:14.320
and these are all something to do with expensive shoes

673
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:15.599
and deliveries.

674
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:17.239
Huh.

675
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.840
That's what I found, and that that was the common denominator.

676
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.039
So the son of the son of the son of

677
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:33.760
Sam murders is Berkowitz. Mm hmmm, I'm I'm asking, I

678
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.039
get too many murders stuck up here in my brain.

679
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:41.360
But but again, isolated couples parked in cars, this is

680
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:43.920
pretty much the sun that it's it's almost identical to

681
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:46.000
the sun of Sam. And we just went through those,

682
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.719
so we're we're seeing this pop back and forth. So

683
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.320
it says the attacker would wait until the couple started

684
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.800
getting intimate. This way, their defenses would be down and

685
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.280
they would be less likely to notice what was going

686
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.159
on outside the car. The monster would then come out

687
00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:02.760
of the dark and ambushed the man and woman, shooting

688
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:04.719
both with a gun and then finishing off his work

689
00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:07.320
with the knife. The crime would end with the attacker

690
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:11.039
carrying out his ritual of disfiguring the female victim's body

691
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:14.519
with knife. The crimes took place on moonless nights and

692
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.519
on an evening when most people didn't have to work

693
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:19.639
the next day, either because it was a weekend or

694
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:23.360
a holiday. The attacker always switched area from one crime

695
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.199
to the next, ambushing couples in a completely different part

696
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:30.519
of the Florence suburbs. Now, if Jack's part of what

697
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:32.599
we think he's a part of, he has access to

698
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:34.719
hopping on a flight and going pretty much anywhere he

699
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:38.360
wants to go. The fact that this is happening on

700
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.960
weekends or holidays gives him ample opportunity since he is

701
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.679
currently working now at this point in time. But he

702
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.639
wouldn't be suspected as being off in another country doing

703
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.880
something as you know, nasty as this. If he's back

704
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.840
here purportedly working as a full time father and parents

705
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:57.239
and all of these other things that he makes it

706
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:01.239
appear as though he's doing so. Onmber seventh or eighth,

707
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:03.480
they said, I'm not sure why they had two dates.

708
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:06.639
It says on the ninth of seven or eight September

709
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:12.559
nineteen eighty five, Jean Mitchell Kravichevilli yep twenty five, a

710
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:19.119
musician of Georgian ancestry, and tradeswoman Nadine Moriot, both from Augencourt, France,

711
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:21.599
were shot and stabbed while sleeping in their small tent

712
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:27.559
in a woodland area near San Casiano. I can't I

713
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:29.920
cannot pronounce his name, so I'm just gonna leave that

714
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.400
one alone. Was killed a short difference. The male was

715
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:34.880
killed a short distance away from the tent while trying

716
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.400
to escape. Morio's body was mutilated. Because the killer had

717
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.320
murdered two foreigners, there was not yet a missing person's report.

718
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:45.400
The killer sent a taunting note, so this is where

719
00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:50.320
that's interesting, along with a piece of Morio's breast. This

720
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:53.360
takes me back to Black Dahlia. I mean, I know

721
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:56.599
he sent in her person, her belongings, but he mutilated

722
00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.199
her breast, and we are seeing that these mutilations are

723
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.400
happening to females in the Zodiac stuff.

724
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.320
It actually goes back to eighteen eighty eight. Jack the

725
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:08.480
rippers stuff.

726
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:12.119
Too right to the state, Okay, So they sent in

727
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:15.079
a piece of Morio's breast to the state prosecutor, along

728
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:19.239
with a taunting note Sylvia della Monica, stating that a

729
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:22.320
murder had taken place and challenging the local authorities to

730
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.320
find the victims. A person picking mushrooms in the area

731
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:28.239
discovered the bodies a few hours before the letter arrived

732
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:32.280
on dela Monica's desk. So here we've got the taunting

733
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:34.920
that we see with the Zodiac cases. I mean, it

734
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:39.280
just keeps going on. Hard to separate these these out

735
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:44.679
and due to proximity and time, you know, one would

736
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:46.920
want to say, oh, this isn't possible because it's in

737
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.719
another country, or oh, this isn't possible because the timeframe

738
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:53.280
is so far apart from sixty nine or even forty

739
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:57.280
seven with Black Dahlia to eighty five in Florence, Italy.

740
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.000
That is one of the things that prevents law enforce

741
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:05.119
from making active identifications on a person who is moving

742
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:09.039
about and committing series of crimes because they want to

743
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:11.000
tend to believe that it's either too far or part

744
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:13.480
or too long of a distance between the last murders,

745
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.840
and it's simply not true. On October fifth of nineteen

746
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.920
eighty five, seventeen year old Michelle Doherty Thomas was last

747
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.079
seen leaving her Alta Loma home in Texas. That's all

748
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:26.000
the information I have on that one. So either the

749
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:28.960
body is still has not been found, and maybe they

750
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.159
need to be looking at unidentified remains here in California

751
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.159
or in other states to see if they can't put

752
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:39.079
those together, because again, proximity and distance is not a

753
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:43.440
prerequisite for not looking at other bodies or trying to

754
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:48.360
assolve or figure out who these remains belong to. November

755
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:52.679
twenty ninth to nineteen eighty five unidentified human skeleton remains

756
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:56.480
on Lake Conroe at Rush Creek bore writing, And I'm

757
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:58.800
thinking when they say bore writing, that must have been

758
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.119
on the body, which again, and that takes me back

759
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.559
to the black Dahlia era and the lipstick killings that

760
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.960
occurred in the LA area, not necessarily the lipstick killer

761
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:11.119
from Chicago, Illinois. I think that was a cross connection

762
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:14.559
in itself to the forty seven through forty nine lipstick

763
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:18.000
killings in LA. But it says boor writing which included

764
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:23.920
references to Japanese in World War Two. That one would

765
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:26.480
be I think an interesting one to research to see

766
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.719
if we couldn't come up with some information as to

767
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:33.639
what that writing was. But it says I'm I'm a

768
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:38.360
little confused with the unidentified skeletal remains and Lake Conro

769
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:43.280
at Rush Creek where the remains bore writing which included

770
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.800
references to Japanese in World War two? Or what is

771
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:50.840
it the clothing? I really would liked that because.

772
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.800
It's I'm being written on the skull.

773
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:56.920
Well we've got the reference. Well, if it's on the

774
00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:59.639
school then that indicates the individual or the suspect had

775
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:02.280
to come back a later date after the body had

776
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:06.159
degraded and written on it. So where these references were

777
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:11.199
is very interesting or intriguing to me, because we know

778
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:14.039
that Jack had a love in Japan, we know that

779
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.239
he was ripped away from her when the war ended,

780
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.000
We know that he was in World War Two. We

781
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.360
know that the Zodiac made reference to the Mikado, which

782
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:25.760
was a Japanese play. That there's just a whole lot

783
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.920
of things in this particular unidentified remains that make me

784
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.280
want to look deeper into this case. December twenty sixth

785
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.719
and nineteen eighty five. Jack may not have had anything

786
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:39.960
to do with this, but I can believe that people

787
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.039
in the underground perverted system that the Zodiac talks about

788
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:47.079
would have had some part in this. December twenty sixth

789
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:49.679
and nineteen eighty five, fifty three year old Diane Fosse

790
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:55.519
Volcanoes National Force in Rwanda. It says Carosok Research Centers

791
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:57.559
where she was working at. She's found dead in her

792
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.639
bed with a machete she confiscated from poach buried in

793
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:04.800
her head. She was responsible. Parties were theorized to be

794
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.840
illicit black market and the poaching of gorillas. And we

795
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:10.119
know that Jack is a fan of poaching as well,

796
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.079
so that was a very small connection. But the point

797
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.400
being is somebody wanted her to stop doing her work,

798
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.280
which was protecting these animals that they were getting big

799
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:18.840
dollars for.

800
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.440
Well, can I say something real quick because you're talking

801
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:25.239
about Rwanda and all.

802
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:28.239
This, and I just well, if you don't want to

803
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.360
get to the letter, then yes you can segue, but

804
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:32.679
I don't really have a lot of information or ability.

805
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:36.039
It is covering the stuff that I'm covering from eighteen

806
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:41.800
eighty eight. Yeah, Da was part of the British Empire,

807
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:44.800
and all this stuff that we are covering has its

808
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:48.039
roots and all that that era. So that's what I

809
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:49.880
just wanted to add. That's the thing that you brought

810
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.239
that up. There is a link, That's what I'm saying.

811
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:57.800
Yeah, I mean again, the powers that rule the world

812
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.480
are all over the world. They're not just isolated here

813
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:04.440
to whatever agenda they have with media and sales. Honey.

814
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:09.679
January fourteenth, to nineteen eighty six, seventeen year old Regina

815
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.840
Sakamoto is killed in Honolulu, So we have another murder,

816
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.400
but it's almost a year apart in Honolulu, strangled and

817
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:19.679
raped with her hands tied behind her back. Once again,

818
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:21.840
she had missed her school bus and her body was

819
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:24.840
found the next day. Over the next three months, we

820
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:28.920
have Denise Hughes, Luis Maderos, and Linda Pesky that are killed,

821
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.440
and I'm not sure I'm gonna have to go back

822
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.920
to look up. I did not notate where these occurred.

823
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:38.440
I did notate that I needed to research them. It's

824
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:41.360
likely that they were probably killed in Honolulu as well,

825
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:47.559
since it's following the Regina Sakamoto murder. But further into

826
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:51.480
January of nineteen eighty six, we have sixty eight year

827
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:57.119
old Anna Carol Frankfurt neighborhood of Philadelphia, obviously Pennsylvania, stabbed

828
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.599
a death in her apartment. Like the first victim, nude

829
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:01.679
from the way down with their shirt pulled up to

830
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.079
exposure chest. So there must have been some type of

831
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:08.400
connection that I had there. But again I just don't

832
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:11.360
have enough information on these murders. Over the next four years,

833
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:14.639
the Frankfort slasher oh okay, I would claim seven more lives.

834
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:20.719
I had not heard of. The Frankfurt slasher had you.

835
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:26.119
No, No, it's just something to look into some of

836
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:30.440
the slasher right, like Jack Rupert.

837
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.719
Sorry, it says over the next Well, let's see. Some

838
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:38.800
of the victims were seen with the middle aged white

839
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:41.599
male before their deaths, so maybe that is why I

840
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:43.719
put it in here. Carol Dowd was a nineteen ninety

841
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.320
victim found behind a fish market in nineteen ninety, and

842
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:49.440
Leonard Christopher was convicted of her death. However, it is

843
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:51.880
believed that he is innocent since he was a blackmail

844
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.000
and did not match the description of the suspect in

845
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:57.519
other crimes, and another crime was committed while he was incarcerated,

846
00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:00.599
instilling the notion that he was not the Frankfort slasher.

847
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:02.840
So here we have another person who's a patsy and

848
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:05.639
an innocent person in jail for something that they had

849
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:09.119
not committed. Oh boy, well, we just now made it

850
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:12.320
to the actual letters, and I don't believe we have

851
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.159
enough time. We've got about thirty seconds left here, Harriet

852
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.760
before we hit these. But when we're done with this segment,

853
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.079
please don't hop off. I'd like to discuss with Wan

854
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:23.119
a pre record or fourth of July, So stay on

855
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:26.519
with me. We'll make it. These communications will be the

856
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.760
first thing that everybody gets to see on fourth of July.

857
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.559
They're going to be very interesting ones with souls by

858
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:35.320
Harriet Soouche, which we love. I want to thank everybody

859
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.119
for being here. I have a wonderful weekend and a

860
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:41.960
great week and we will see you next Friday. Thank you, Harriet.

861
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:57.639
We'll be here.

862
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:00.119
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