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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
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I'm excited to be back actually into the presentation. We
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have a year full of murders of Jack's whereabouts, what
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he's doing with Hewlett Packard, and of course a new
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communication that's just out of the blue. Actually there's about
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three of them, two of which I'm not quite sure
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their origination or what those letters said. They were found
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in the FBI Foy files. But we're going to try
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and get to the bottom of those, and of course
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helping me with that today is Harriet Soouchet.
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Yes, good morning, good today.
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Well, we're just climbing right back in at this point.
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So if there is somebody in the murder scheme here
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that you have either seen their name in any of
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the communications, or have information in regards to them, then please,
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you know, interject and climb in, because I'm really just
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gonna run through these rather quickly. A lot of them
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don't have a lot of information in regards to them
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other than they where they died or maybe where they
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were taken from, and of course the manner of death.
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Other than that, there's just not a lot of information
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out there on the internet since the murders are so old,
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and they actually kind of pre date the time that
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things were being loaded onto the internet, so we don't
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see a lot of information on these unsolved murders. So basically,
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we left off at the end of October nineteen eighty four,
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so we're climbing right back into November nineteen eighty four,
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and we have Robert William Hope, thirty two years of age.
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It looks like he was on the eighteen hundred block
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of North Park Kingwood, Texas at two pm. A constable
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was attempting to serve Hope with civil papers at his
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residence and found him lying face down in the kitchen
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shop multiple times. Now, it doesn't indicate whether or not
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they felt this was a robbery, which I usually do
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see those you know, mentioned in some of the information.
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So if there wasn't a robbery that occurred here, then
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it sounds to me like somebody had a personal grudge.
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Christmas of nineteen eighty four, we know that we are
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seeing Christmas at the Kirby Street address via Nora's handwriting
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on the back of the pictures. It does indicate in
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Jack's paperwork his probation report that he is at this
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same address, though I did not see any pictures of
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him during this timeframe. And we know that previous to this,
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Jack and Nora had gone through a divorce and Jack
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had the assault with a deadly weapon charge that he
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is on probation for, which is why we are seeing
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these reports as described. And when I'm looking at these
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Christmas pictures, I of course I was a kid during
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these timeframes, and if you had you had parents that
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were not working or in between work. As much as
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we saw Jack during these years, we see what I
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consider to be a huge amount of presents, you know,
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I mean, for any typical household, they have approximately four
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children at this point. We can see here is Charles
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to the left and Dennis to the right. In this
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Christmas picture here. We know that Dennis has two sisters,
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so we're working with four children here that we have
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to provide Christmas for. And at this point in time,
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Jack is merely making about three hundred and twelve dollars
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bi weekly, So breaking that down is basically one hundred
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and fifty six dollars a week. So where is this
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extra money coming for? Or from? Should I say? I mean,
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we see pipes, we see all kinds of stuff that's
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going on in here.
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He's working, but he's just not officially working.
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He's he's definitely working well.
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And I mean one hundred and fifty six dollars a week.
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That sounds even awfully low for that time frame.
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Maybe even to say that he's not even working full time.
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I mean one hundred and fifty six dollars, what does that?
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forty if he was actively doing forty hours for one
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hundred and fifty six dollars a week, I mean you're
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talking three dollars an hour.
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It's yeah, it would basically be I think close to
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minimum wage of the time period.
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Maybe that's something I should be Wow. Yeah, And a
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security guard at that so you've got, you know, the
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dangers of being a security guard because your job is
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to protect, and of course that means that sometimes, as
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we'll see in some of Jack's reports, you're coming up
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against some violent offenders even though they're working at the
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Hewlett Packard plant. All right, m hm switch. I did
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find a new article in my research from the Lake
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very Essa murders. So I thought this one was interesting
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to read because again it takes us back to the hood,
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which we've been talking about the way that media has
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portrayed it. Oh my gosh. All right, hold up, let's
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talk about media portrayal just for one second. I did
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not really want to climb into anything on the nine
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to eleven attacks, but I did watch a documentary on
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it a few nights ago. Of course, they were still
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hard hitting at Oh goodness, Ivans and hat film. Of
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course half film. We know that they dove in deep
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on him, stating he was the possible suspect, which then
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hat Phil sued because he was not the suspect and
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he won a ridiculous amount of money in the area
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of millions, and so of course they had focused on
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Ivans first, then they focused on Hatville and then they
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went back and focused on Ivans again, and at the
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end of the documentary, the media portrayed that the case
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was closed on February nineteenth of twenty ten on Ivans,
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and I about fell out of my chair when this happened.
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Do you recall that period in our life when we
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were dealing.
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With I believe they closed it. They just automatically said
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he so homicided and.
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Well when they Dennis and I were together at this
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particular point in time, when we about lost our minds
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when we saw the press release that the FBI stated
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that they were closing the anthrax case on Ivans. Now
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when we lost our crap, I of course called then
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the FBI investigator and explained to him that we had
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looked at the handwriting and they're closing it on the
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wrong person. And we literally had to wait almost an
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entire week to get anything back. But on February twenty
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sixth of twenty ten, the Congress came back out with
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the press release a follow up to the FBI and said,
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you were not closing this case on Ivans. He doesn't
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match them, His handwriting doesn't match. There is no way
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you're going to close this on this man, you don't
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have the evidence to do so. Now, the press release
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for them closing the case went worldwide, like everybody, So
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this same tangent that the media uses to go out
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there and create mass confusion like the case having been closed,
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was that they that went all over the world. But
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then a week later, on February twenty six, when the
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press release from Congress came out said no, you're not
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closing the case on Ivans. That was at a bare minimum,
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a complete, little, tiny, little press release that got almost
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little to no attention, and I half believed that it
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probably didn't even play across the world as it did
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when they released the fact they were going to close
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the case on Ivans. So they put out mass media
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in regards to a closure, and very little words are
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said about the act that Nope, nothing matches, guys, you
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are not closing this case on Ivans. So imagine my
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shock when I'm watching this particular documentary to see that
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at the end of it. You know how they always
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like give you a this person ended up doing six years,
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or this person ended up putting out or this is
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what happened. So at the very end, of this documentary.
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Across the screen came the words the case has been
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closed on Bruce Ivans on February nineteenth of twenty ten.
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What a freaking joke that these documentaries can get away
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with this, and where do they get their information if
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they didn't actively investigate the fact that there was a
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follow up from Congress saying you're not closing this case
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on Ivans. He doesn't match.
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Mm hmmm.
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He wouldn't be the first person.
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I I was just going to say, I remember seeing
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those letters on Boit's Zodiac dot com and he was saying,
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it looks this handwriting match. He was saying it, this
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handwriting matches the Zodiac.
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I guess he's alive. I remember that. I remember here Fials.
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I was like, I remember hearing I remember hearing the
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same thing, just you know, the public muddling about after
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the nine to eleven and the anthrax attacks making a
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statement that the anthrax letters were mailed by the Zodiac,
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and I thought these people were freaking nuts. I'm like
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this guy, he was nothing but a serial killer for
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a very short period of time back in the sixty
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sixty eight sixty nine era. You guys are absolutely nuts.
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Little did I know what I'd be climbing into and
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what the zodiac was truly apart.
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Its right, it's Jack Finds one on one handwriting the stamps.
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Everything I've done to all of those it's mind blowing yes,
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And we will be making those connections later on. So
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in this particular article here, this.
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Is where I want to say that this was something
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that was developed in something that came out shortly after
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the murders, the murder at Lake Berry sn the attempted
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murder of Brian Hart. Now, but the media literally controls
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the narrative for what the public's going to believe. And
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at some point in time when they decided, and I
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don't know if it was Robert gray Smith that put
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it out there in attempts to try and dispel the
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truth about the hood itself, but they perpetrated this square
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hood that supposedly like a paper sack on top upside
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down on someone's head, when anybody who has ever dealt
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with material knows that a material square shaped hood is
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not going to sit upright in a square manner like that.
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So I highly disbelieve the notion that gray Smith has
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given us, or Voight has given us or any of
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these other people in the med that this thing was
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actually like a paper sack upside down versus what we're
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going to read in this article. So it says nap
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a slaying. Scores of tips are checked out. NAP and
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Valao authorities investigated scores of tips on the suspected code
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killer today, the day of the funeral of the latest victim,
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Active blonde co ed Cecilia and Shepherd twenty two. The
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leads resulted from the publication of composite sketches and a
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description of the suspects seen at Lake Barriessa by the
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three girls about three hours before the stabbing of miss
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Shepherd and her boyfriend Brian Hart now twenty Now. The
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interesting part is that they claim that the suspect that
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they're looking for is something that is stalking these three
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girls or standing around gawking at them. If you will,
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you can go to just about any beach and be
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gawkeed at. There's always some creeper in the corner that's
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staring at all the females. Doesn't make them killers, but
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it's interesting that they're now focusing on this particular suspect.
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It says, however, neither sheriffs nor police officers reported locating
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the likely slayer of four young persons since last December,
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still serious. Meanwhile, Hartnell remained on the serious list and
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under protective guard at Queen of the Valley Hospital. The
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services for the University of California at Riverside Senior Music
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major are scheduled at two pm today in the sanctuary
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of Pacific Union College church. She attended that college before
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transferring this year. Authorities awaited the results of fingerprint comparisons
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by the computerized laboratories of the FBI in Washington, d C.
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Prints were obtained from a payphone booth in Napa, from
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which the killer apparently reported the crime to police. Now,
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what I want to know is is that, for Heaven's sake,
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you're talking about a public payphone. Do you know how
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many people back in the day were actively using these things?
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Everybody and their mother?
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are actively those of the Zodiac killer. Doesn't mean that
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they made identification of all other finger prints on that phone,
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on that phone booth except for one set, and that
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they then attributed that to the Zodiac. I'm just I
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really want to understand how they sorted this information outing.
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They were making sure and that's my opinion.
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I mean, it's it's inevitable that they get to the phone,
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they know he's going.
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To use it.
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It's cleaned off, he rans it, it's all staged. And
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this is this is a huge conspiracy to go after
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who they believed has something to do with kill for
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these two. It has something to do with who killed