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Good morning, True Seekers and True crime junkies. Welcome back
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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
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Today we are one less commentator. I want to have
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our thoughts and prayers to go out to our code solver,
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Harriet Souche. Turns out that she was in a hit
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and run accident this last Monday, crossing a crosswalk. She
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was hit by a truck and she has been in
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the ICU and in the hospital ever since. She will
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be me being moved to a recovery station where she
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can literally recover from her accident. And I just wanted
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to give a shout out to her because this really
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sucks during the holiday season, which, by the way, this
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is our Christmas episode, so I'm rocking the Christmas pajamas.
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When I see you guys, back, Christmas will be over,
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and I hope that you all had a wonderful holiday.
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The I'm gonna just start out really at this point,
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I wanted to give a shout out to the website
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that has been formed by Talk for TV, which is
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www dot finding the Zodiac Radio dot com. You can
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go there and find all the episod so it's in order,
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which I know sometimes people find it a little too
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complicated to do when they're on YouTube unless they subscribe
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to the channel, in which case they would come up
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in chronological order. But here you can find all the
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episodes one through We're at what now, one fifty seven? Ah.
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Just got to love this. So with that being said,
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I thought I was going to actually start out with
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the fourth part of the solve, which is the ghost
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killer letter involved in the Atlanta, Georgia child killer cases. However,
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Harry is not with us, and I'm not going to
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make much sense out of her solves, so we will
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wait till she comes back to do that. Maybe a
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couple weeks, I'm not sure. So I'm just going to
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scream right on past that, and that actually brings us
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to the additional places that Jack would take the kids camping,
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and during this timeframe, like I said, Atlanta, Georgia, child
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killer is beginning to kick off, and Dennis is telling
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us a little bit of the story about what's going
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on at this time. So I'm going to read an
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excerpt his book. He said, if Jack was killing during
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this time, Oh, let's just stop that. He said, if
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Jack was killing during this time, when did he have
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time to do these murders without my mother's wondering, my
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mother's Okay, this is his printing in his book. I'm
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trying to speak at the way it's written, and I'll
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try to correct it if I can. When I get
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there without my mother's wondering where he was? I remembered
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when he had the perfect opportunity. All six of us
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lived in that small camp trailer for almost two years
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in nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty one.
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Jack would frequently take my friend Joe Williams and I camping,
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sometimes for a week at a time. We used to
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go to Loon Lake. It was a couple hours drive
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from Sacramento, so Cheqito Creek was one and now Loon Lake.
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I have up over here, I have well, this is
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actually mapping out Chikeito Creek. Here it looks like so
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very close to the Nevada border. Let's see, it was
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a couple hours drive from Sacramento. I remember after we
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got camp set up, Jack would leave for a couple
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days and Joe and I would stay at camp. I
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never asked Jack where he would go. I just liked
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the fact that Joe and I could do whatever we
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wanted while he was gone. Jack didn't go back home
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and my mother never knew he left. If anybody ever
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questioned Jack about his whereabouts, he was camping with Joe
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and I. These camping excursions were frequent during this time.
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Jack could have been doing or planning his next murder
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during those days. He left Joe and I alone, and
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nobody would have suspected a thing. Another thing that comes
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to mind is how Jack would always have to pinpoint
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our specific spot on the map by using an AM radio.
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He would find the direction of two AM stations by
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turning the radio until the station was gone. Then he
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would use a compass and find magnetic north, and where
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the two lines came together would be our location. That's
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extremely unique way of tracking, but it really kind of
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proves the orienteering that we know that Jack was capable of,
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especially as it applies to something like the mount the
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the album map where it explicitly stated magnetic north. So
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that kind of gives me goosebumps because it makes me
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feel like Dennis is really kind of honing in on
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some of the skills that the Zodiac had that Jack
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also had. Another excerpt from the particular book is I
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would later learn that the geographical part of the Zodiac
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case would be the most important aspect. In nineteen eighty,
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while still living in our trailer travel trailer, Jack's biological
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daughter from his first wife moves in next to us
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in her own trailer. Shortly after she moved in, Jack
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was out her trailer and was choking her. He had
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both hands around her neck and she went unconscious. She
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came to a while later. In nineteen eighty one, Jack's
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biological son from his first wife passed away at age
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twenty eight. This had a big effect on Jack. This
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is the same year that the Zodiac murder stopped. According
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to Gray Smith, this is when Jack stopped drinking for
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almost twenty years. In nineteen eighty two, Jack and my
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mother's separate, and Jack went back to Texas to be
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with his mother. My younger sisters went to Michigan to
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live with our real father and my mother. Charles and
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I moved into an apartment in Fair Oaks. So there's
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a couple of things that are going on here, and
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I know these years are a little bit ahead of
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their times, but it is just part of the paragraph
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in his book. But we're getting that reference back to
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Michigan again. So I had explained before that Nora had
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a family in Michigan when they were living in Minnesota,
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and it was a very short trip in concern when
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you consider how far Jack would actually drive at any
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given point in time to travel the country, I want
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to say it was about twelve hours. Was the shortest
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way from Minnesota to Michigan where the family lived, and
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put Jack in proximity with the Oakland County child murders.
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So that brings us to the next murder, which on July.
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Let's see, on July sixth of nineteen seventy nine, we
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have Santa Rose Jane Doe near Calistoga Road where Lori
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Lee Curse's body was found. So clearly we have somebody
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coming back and repeatedly dumping bodies in the same area,
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which is why it was probably connected or at least
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thought to be the same killer, because they're dumping in
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the same spot. It says that remains that were found
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were just bones still wrapped in loops of rope. The
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victim had been tied in the same fashion as Walsh
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had been hog tied, with a rope running from her
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ankles to her neck. And again, Jack grew up on
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a farm and hog tying was something he knew a
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lot about. Even actually when he traveled when he was
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younger from ranch to ranch via the railway, he ended
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up on a pig farm at one point in time.
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This would have slowly strangled her to death, with her
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hands tied and pulled down between her legs as if
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to hogtie. It appeared as though she had been buried
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or dumped in the type of duffel or laundry bag,
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possibly like those used by commercial lending companies. Again, Jack
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worked for South Lake Tahoe Linen Company, So we have
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this laundry bag again, which we heard that was mentioned
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in the Oakland County child murders as a way to
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travel or bring the children up to the apartment that
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he and the supposed acquaintance was in the Grommts from
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the mouth of the bag were found with the bones.
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White cotton clothesline had been used to bound the victim
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ankles pulled to her neck with four cords wrapped around
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her neck equals kind of a ranch knowledge of slowly
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hog tin of a slowly hog tied death. Gramts were
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found like those found at the top of laundry bags
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for linen companies or maybe even military gromts for their bags.
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So we just already talked about Oakland County child killer accomplist.
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Letter wrote that he brought the kids up in laundry hampers,
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so some of this stuff is closely connected. Another interesting
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statement that by Dennis is that he could not have
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known to be true of many of these crimes is
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the use of the white nylon rope clothesline. That has
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been a continuing m O and almost all the crimes
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I write about in this presentation. Again Dohurst writes, and
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that's Stephen Dohurst, and I believe it was the southwest wind,
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demon of the southwest wind or something like that. He
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wrote in there. He always had that stuff with him,
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that damned math compass and radio, and he pulled it
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out all the time. It was like a little gab
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he played when we were out driving around. The other
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thing he always had were links of nylon rope about
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eighteen inches long. Jack never talked to me about what
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he had done with that, and that was per Dennis
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in Stephen's book. Now we're going to start to see
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the entrance of the Atlanta, Georgia child killer. It begins
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in July of nineteen seventy nine. On July twenty first
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of nineteen seventy nine, we have Edward Hope Smith, who's
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fourteen years old from Atlanta. She is murdered. I do
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not have a lot of information on these individuals. I
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did put it in where I did have information, So
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some of these I'm just going to be able to
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tell you about who who was killed and not necessarily
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the style or the mo that was included. On July
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twenty fifth of nineteen seventy nine, Alfred Evans, fourteen years old,
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also killed in Atlanta. Then we have a nice big
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jump from July to September. And the fact that these
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are all within days of each other is really what
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kind of mesmerized me, especially when we consider Dennis stating
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that Jack would take and drop him and his friend
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off camping and be gone for a few days, sometimes
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up to a week. And these each of these are
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happening almost in sets, within days of each other, and
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then we don't see anything happen again for several months.
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So it picks back up in September fourth of nineteen
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seventy nine with Milton Harvey, who's fourteen years old and
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he was going to the bank in Atlanta, Georgia when
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he was kidnapped. On September seventh of nineteen seventy nine,
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Lisia Michelle Jackson at Lake Wildwood Subdivision in Conrod, Texas
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was murdered. Sometimes to me, this was kind of I
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kind of almost feel like it was a way that
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these different Cereal killing sprees were occurring, almost as if
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we had different serial killers out there. But the possibility
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of it having been one who was perpetrating these crimes
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to make it look like these serial killers were still
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existing in their areas is where I look at this one.
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In September fourth of nineteen seventy nine, on the way
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back through Texas to California on September seventh and nineteen
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seventy nine with the Jackson murder is very plausible that
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this is just another murder he perpetrates on his way back,
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So landing in Atlanta, Georgia for one, coming back through Texas,
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we get another one, and then once he's back in California,
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we see another murder. In California, it says Lisia Jackson
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was twelve years of age and resided with her parents
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inside the Lake Wildwood subdivision of FM fourteen eighty five
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in Conroe. She had attended Washington Junior High Lisa Jackson
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and had been swimming in the subdivision lake with friends
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and relatives about her same age, So we have relation
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again to a waterway. Lisa Jackson was last scene walking
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alone on Creek Bend Street in the direction of her residence.
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Her relatives arrived at Jackson's home a short time later,
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and her parents inquired about her absence. A search of
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the neighborhood began and lasted through the evening the following day.
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Lysia's eyeglasses were found at the intersection of Creekwood and
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Deep Forests within the subdivision on September thirteenth of nineteen
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seventy nine, and oil field worker found Lysia Jackson's remains
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in a heavily wooded area along a pipeline of Exon
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Road in Conro. This scene was approximately five miles from
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Lake Wildwood, and autopsy determined that Lysia Jackson had been
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sexually assaulted and murdered in September twenty sixth of nineteen
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seventy nine, twenty two year old Tammy Vincent from Blackie's
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pack Pasture, Tiberan, California. So this is the location or
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they are finding the body of Tammy Vincent. So I
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do not believe that this is the date that she
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was actually murdered. I believe that she went missing previous
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to this. But here's the information that we were able
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to obtain on it. It is on the Sandy Bett's
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murder map. And we talked about the Tiberan reference that
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has made in the nineteen sixty eight letters to the
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Draft or the Deer Draft Board letters says the charge
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remains of a girl found shot and stabbed a death
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near Blackie's Pasture in Tibran twenty eight years ago i've
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been identified as those of a Washington teenager, slaying weeks
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before she was due to testify in an organized crime case,
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So this one has sent my ears up because of
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course this is all surrounding the things that I believe
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that Jack's involved with. The victims identify identity remained a
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mystery for years until the DNA database analysis in February