Dec. 20, 2024

Atlanta Georgia Child Killer 12-20-24

Atlanta Georgia Child Killer 12-20-24

Kicking off this episode with a letter from the Atlanta Georgia Child Killer to complete the fourth section and solve by Harriette Sucher. Political call outs and Mob mentions top the list in Harriette’s solves. Here we have another serial killing...

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Kicking off this episode with a letter from the Atlanta Georgia Child Killer to complete the fourth section and solve by Harriette Sucher. Political call outs and Mob mentions top the list in Harriette’s solves. Here we have another serial killing spree during a time of political strife with the Watergate Scandal being investigated nearby. What a better way to sell newspapers, create fear, and misdirect public attention.

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Good morning, True Seekers and True crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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Today we are one less commentator. I want to have

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our thoughts and prayers to go out to our code solver,

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Harriet Souche. Turns out that she was in a hit

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and run accident this last Monday, crossing a crosswalk. She

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was hit by a truck and she has been in

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the ICU and in the hospital ever since. She will

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be me being moved to a recovery station where she

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can literally recover from her accident. And I just wanted

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to give a shout out to her because this really

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sucks during the holiday season, which, by the way, this

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is our Christmas episode, so I'm rocking the Christmas pajamas.

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When I see you guys, back, Christmas will be over,

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and I hope that you all had a wonderful holiday.

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The I'm gonna just start out really at this point,

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I wanted to give a shout out to the website

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that has been formed by Talk for TV, which is

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www dot finding the Zodiac Radio dot com. You can

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go there and find all the episod so it's in order,

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which I know sometimes people find it a little too

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complicated to do when they're on YouTube unless they subscribe

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to the channel, in which case they would come up

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in chronological order. But here you can find all the

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episodes one through We're at what now, one fifty seven? Ah.

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Just got to love this. So with that being said,

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I thought I was going to actually start out with

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the fourth part of the solve, which is the ghost

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killer letter involved in the Atlanta, Georgia child killer cases. However,

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Harry is not with us, and I'm not going to

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make much sense out of her solves, so we will

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wait till she comes back to do that. Maybe a

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couple weeks, I'm not sure. So I'm just going to

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scream right on past that, and that actually brings us

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to the additional places that Jack would take the kids camping,

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and during this timeframe, like I said, Atlanta, Georgia, child

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killer is beginning to kick off, and Dennis is telling

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us a little bit of the story about what's going

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on at this time. So I'm going to read an

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excerpt his book. He said, if Jack was killing during

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this time, Oh, let's just stop that. He said, if

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Jack was killing during this time, when did he have

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time to do these murders without my mother's wondering, my

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mother's Okay, this is his printing in his book. I'm

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trying to speak at the way it's written, and I'll

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try to correct it if I can. When I get

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there without my mother's wondering where he was? I remembered

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when he had the perfect opportunity. All six of us

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lived in that small camp trailer for almost two years

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in nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty one.

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Jack would frequently take my friend Joe Williams and I camping,

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sometimes for a week at a time. We used to

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go to Loon Lake. It was a couple hours drive

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from Sacramento, so Cheqito Creek was one and now Loon Lake.

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I have up over here, I have well, this is

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actually mapping out Chikeito Creek. Here it looks like so

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very close to the Nevada border. Let's see, it was

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a couple hours drive from Sacramento. I remember after we

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got camp set up, Jack would leave for a couple

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days and Joe and I would stay at camp. I

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never asked Jack where he would go. I just liked

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the fact that Joe and I could do whatever we

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wanted while he was gone. Jack didn't go back home

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and my mother never knew he left. If anybody ever

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questioned Jack about his whereabouts, he was camping with Joe

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and I. These camping excursions were frequent during this time.

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Jack could have been doing or planning his next murder

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during those days. He left Joe and I alone, and

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nobody would have suspected a thing. Another thing that comes

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to mind is how Jack would always have to pinpoint

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our specific spot on the map by using an AM radio.

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He would find the direction of two AM stations by

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turning the radio until the station was gone. Then he

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would use a compass and find magnetic north, and where

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the two lines came together would be our location. That's

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extremely unique way of tracking, but it really kind of

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proves the orienteering that we know that Jack was capable of,

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especially as it applies to something like the mount the

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the album map where it explicitly stated magnetic north. So

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that kind of gives me goosebumps because it makes me

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feel like Dennis is really kind of honing in on

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some of the skills that the Zodiac had that Jack

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also had. Another excerpt from the particular book is I

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would later learn that the geographical part of the Zodiac

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case would be the most important aspect. In nineteen eighty,

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while still living in our trailer travel trailer, Jack's biological

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daughter from his first wife moves in next to us

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in her own trailer. Shortly after she moved in, Jack

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was out her trailer and was choking her. He had

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both hands around her neck and she went unconscious. She

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came to a while later. In nineteen eighty one, Jack's

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biological son from his first wife passed away at age

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twenty eight. This had a big effect on Jack. This

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is the same year that the Zodiac murder stopped. According

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to Gray Smith, this is when Jack stopped drinking for

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almost twenty years. In nineteen eighty two, Jack and my

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mother's separate, and Jack went back to Texas to be

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with his mother. My younger sisters went to Michigan to

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live with our real father and my mother. Charles and

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I moved into an apartment in Fair Oaks. So there's

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a couple of things that are going on here, and

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I know these years are a little bit ahead of

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their times, but it is just part of the paragraph

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in his book. But we're getting that reference back to

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Michigan again. So I had explained before that Nora had

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a family in Michigan when they were living in Minnesota,

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and it was a very short trip in concern when

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you consider how far Jack would actually drive at any

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given point in time to travel the country, I want

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to say it was about twelve hours. Was the shortest

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way from Minnesota to Michigan where the family lived, and

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put Jack in proximity with the Oakland County child murders.

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So that brings us to the next murder, which on July.

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Let's see, on July sixth of nineteen seventy nine, we

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have Santa Rose Jane Doe near Calistoga Road where Lori

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Lee Curse's body was found. So clearly we have somebody

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coming back and repeatedly dumping bodies in the same area,

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which is why it was probably connected or at least

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thought to be the same killer, because they're dumping in

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the same spot. It says that remains that were found

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were just bones still wrapped in loops of rope. The

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victim had been tied in the same fashion as Walsh

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had been hog tied, with a rope running from her

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ankles to her neck. And again, Jack grew up on

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a farm and hog tying was something he knew a

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lot about. Even actually when he traveled when he was

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younger from ranch to ranch via the railway, he ended

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up on a pig farm at one point in time.

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This would have slowly strangled her to death, with her

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hands tied and pulled down between her legs as if

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to hogtie. It appeared as though she had been buried

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or dumped in the type of duffel or laundry bag,

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possibly like those used by commercial lending companies. Again, Jack

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worked for South Lake Tahoe Linen Company, So we have

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this laundry bag again, which we heard that was mentioned

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in the Oakland County child murders as a way to

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travel or bring the children up to the apartment that

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he and the supposed acquaintance was in the Grommts from

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the mouth of the bag were found with the bones.

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White cotton clothesline had been used to bound the victim

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ankles pulled to her neck with four cords wrapped around

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her neck equals kind of a ranch knowledge of slowly

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hog tin of a slowly hog tied death. Gramts were

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found like those found at the top of laundry bags

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for linen companies or maybe even military gromts for their bags.

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So we just already talked about Oakland County child killer accomplist.

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Letter wrote that he brought the kids up in laundry hampers,

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so some of this stuff is closely connected. Another interesting

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statement that by Dennis is that he could not have

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known to be true of many of these crimes is

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the use of the white nylon rope clothesline. That has

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been a continuing m O and almost all the crimes

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I write about in this presentation. Again Dohurst writes, and

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that's Stephen Dohurst, and I believe it was the southwest wind,

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demon of the southwest wind or something like that. He

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wrote in there. He always had that stuff with him,

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that damned math compass and radio, and he pulled it

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out all the time. It was like a little gab

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he played when we were out driving around. The other

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thing he always had were links of nylon rope about

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eighteen inches long. Jack never talked to me about what

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he had done with that, and that was per Dennis

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in Stephen's book. Now we're going to start to see

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the entrance of the Atlanta, Georgia child killer. It begins

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in July of nineteen seventy nine. On July twenty first

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of nineteen seventy nine, we have Edward Hope Smith, who's

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fourteen years old from Atlanta. She is murdered. I do

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not have a lot of information on these individuals. I

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did put it in where I did have information, So

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some of these I'm just going to be able to

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tell you about who who was killed and not necessarily

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the style or the mo that was included. On July

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twenty fifth of nineteen seventy nine, Alfred Evans, fourteen years old,

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also killed in Atlanta. Then we have a nice big

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jump from July to September. And the fact that these

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are all within days of each other is really what

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kind of mesmerized me, especially when we consider Dennis stating

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that Jack would take and drop him and his friend

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off camping and be gone for a few days, sometimes

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up to a week. And these each of these are

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happening almost in sets, within days of each other, and

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then we don't see anything happen again for several months.

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So it picks back up in September fourth of nineteen

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seventy nine with Milton Harvey, who's fourteen years old and

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he was going to the bank in Atlanta, Georgia when

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he was kidnapped. On September seventh of nineteen seventy nine,

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Lisia Michelle Jackson at Lake Wildwood Subdivision in Conrod, Texas

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was murdered. Sometimes to me, this was kind of I

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kind of almost feel like it was a way that

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these different Cereal killing sprees were occurring, almost as if

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we had different serial killers out there. But the possibility

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of it having been one who was perpetrating these crimes

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to make it look like these serial killers were still

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existing in their areas is where I look at this one.

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In September fourth of nineteen seventy nine, on the way

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back through Texas to California on September seventh and nineteen

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seventy nine with the Jackson murder is very plausible that

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this is just another murder he perpetrates on his way back,

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So landing in Atlanta, Georgia for one, coming back through Texas,

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we get another one, and then once he's back in California,

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we see another murder. In California, it says Lisia Jackson

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was twelve years of age and resided with her parents

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inside the Lake Wildwood subdivision of FM fourteen eighty five

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in Conroe. She had attended Washington Junior High Lisa Jackson

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and had been swimming in the subdivision lake with friends

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and relatives about her same age, So we have relation

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again to a waterway. Lisa Jackson was last scene walking

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alone on Creek Bend Street in the direction of her residence.

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Her relatives arrived at Jackson's home a short time later,

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and her parents inquired about her absence. A search of

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the neighborhood began and lasted through the evening the following day.

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Lysia's eyeglasses were found at the intersection of Creekwood and

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Deep Forests within the subdivision on September thirteenth of nineteen

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seventy nine, and oil field worker found Lysia Jackson's remains

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in a heavily wooded area along a pipeline of Exon

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Road in Conro. This scene was approximately five miles from

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Lake Wildwood, and autopsy determined that Lysia Jackson had been

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sexually assaulted and murdered in September twenty sixth of nineteen

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seventy nine, twenty two year old Tammy Vincent from Blackie's

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pack Pasture, Tiberan, California. So this is the location or

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they are finding the body of Tammy Vincent. So I

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do not believe that this is the date that she

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was actually murdered. I believe that she went missing previous

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to this. But here's the information that we were able

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to obtain on it. It is on the Sandy Bett's

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murder map. And we talked about the Tiberan reference that

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has made in the nineteen sixty eight letters to the

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Draft or the Deer Draft Board letters says the charge

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remains of a girl found shot and stabbed a death

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near Blackie's Pasture in Tibran twenty eight years ago i've

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been identified as those of a Washington teenager, slaying weeks

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before she was due to testify in an organized crime case,

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So this one has sent my ears up because of

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course this is all surrounding the things that I believe

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that Jack's involved with. The victims identify identity remained a

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mystery for years until the DNA database analysis in February

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identified her as Tammy Vincent seventeen, a runaway who worked

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in a sex trade establishment owned by a man known

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as a local godfather. Marin County Sheriff's detective Steve Nash

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said the positive identification was made in February after DNA

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extracted from a three centimeter strand of pubic hair matched

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DNA samples from Vincent's mother and sister at a private

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DNA lab at the University of Texas. In two thousand

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and five, Marine investigators are pursuing suspects they believe stabbed

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Vincent more than forty times in the chest with an

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ice pick. Now we've talked about ice picks. If you

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followed this podcast, you're going to see other references to

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being stabbed directly in the heart a single time with

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a very small either three inch knife or an ice pick.

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And it seems to be that running mo again. She

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was also shot in the head and then they burned

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her body beyond recognition with acid on a Tibaran beach.

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Vincent's upper torso and her face were disfigured by the burns.

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When you think that this case is nearly thirty years old,

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and then to be able to identify the person, that's

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just unbelievable. County Sheriff Robert Doyle said, not only does

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it further an ongoing criminal investigation, it gives a sense

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of closure to the family of this young lady. It's

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not a happy ending, but at least they know. I'm

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confident we'll ultimately be able to make some arrest and

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bring those responsible to justice. After the DNA match was made,

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Marine authorities formed a team to investigate the unsolved murder.

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They have canvas the country interviewing possible witnesses and others

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they believe may have been involved. No arrests have been made.

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Some of the burned evidence from the crime scene was

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useless to authorities. However, a bullet was recovered. Authorities declined

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to identify the type or caliber of the gun used,

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and Tammy Vincent had a gunshot wound to her head.

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The Vincent match was made through Cotis. The FBI's combined

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DNA index system used in missing persons and other investigations

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by nearly two hundred law enforcement agencies across the nation.

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Most of the physical and biological evidence in the case

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had deteriorated after sitting in evidence lockers in Tiberon and

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at the sheriff's office for more than twenty five years,

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but the root and shaft of the hair found during

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the autopsy remained viable and provided the key DNA material

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before being uploaded to CODIS. DNA profiles must be developed

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through mitochondrial and nuclear DNA. Mitochondrial DNA is inherited from

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the mother and is generally found in hair, bones, and teeth.

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Nuclear DNA come from both parents and is found in

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a wider array of sources. DNA testing of skeletal remains

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is among the most difficult things to do in forensic science,

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just by the mere nature of the samples, said John Tonkin,

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director of the Missing Persons Program at the State's Department

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of Justice DNA Lab in Richmond. The real key to

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unlocking this case was all the additional evidence gathered and

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retained under proper conditions. The identification was absolutely critical to

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furthering the investigation. It was stalled until the body was identified.

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Senior criminalist Amy Hoover, who works at the Richmond DNA Lab,

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compiled two binders of data during work with Nash in

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the Sheriff's office on the Vincent case. For this one case,

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we'll have twenty more that we never are able to

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make an identification. Hoover said, we were lucky that there

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wasn't burn, We were lucky that the area wasn't burnt,

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and we had good pubic hair. The body of Vincent

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was discovered by a jogger the morning of September twenty sixth,

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nineteen seventy nine, at Richardson Bay Park at the end

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of Greenwood Beach Road. A witness reported seeing a bonfire

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on the beach just after three am. Several hours later,

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Tiberon detectives who arrived the scene found Vincent's crumpled body,

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and ice pick and actone were found nearby. A bullet

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was recovered without any leads. Authorities buried her body in

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an unmarked grave at Valley Memorial Park in Nevada in

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December twelfth, nineteen seventy nine. Her remains were exumed twice

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the first time in June two thousand and two, so

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authorities could extract DNA samples from her skeletal remains, but

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authorities were only able to develop a partial pro file

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and the DNA was of new use. On August seventh,

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her body was exhumed again so remains could be cremated

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and returned to Washington, where a small private funeral was

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held three days later for family and friends. This has

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been an extremely emotional time for me, said Nash, who

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was assigned the case in two thousand and one. Finally,

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after all these years, we've been able to bring this

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girl home to her family. The victim's younger sister, Sandy

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Vincent forty four, seeks justice for me. It's closure on

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one chapter, but another one remains open. Vincent said, the

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story is still ongoing. I can't believe she was murdered

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and that someone is getting away with it. I would

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really like to see them pay for what they have done.

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Authorities declined to identify the city in which the Vincent

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family lives, fearing possible retaliation against them. Marine authorities are

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working with King County, Washington law enforcement officials to track

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down suspects in the case. Officials believe Tammy Vincent was

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working at a Seattle area adult entertainment establishment when she

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was picked up during a raid along with several others

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about a monkey. Before she was murdered, it is believed

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that Vincent was transferred to California to work at the

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Palace Theater on Turk Street in San Francisco before she

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could testify in a federal case in King County. Vincent

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was last scene with the Caucasian mail at a Woolworst

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store at Powell and Market Streets in San Francisco. The

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Woolworst comes to mind because we know that there was

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paper that was used in the series of communications which

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I believe are attributed to the Zodiac, and it was

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on paper that was purchased at Woolworth. So again just

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another one of those connectivities. The night before she was murdered.

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Investigators say the ice pick and the acetone found at

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the murder scene were purchased at Woolworst as well, which

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closed several years ago. Investigators were able to trace the

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sales clerk who handled the original transaction. When Vincent's body

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was discovered, she was wearing tan pants, a black short

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sleeved shirt with a yellow halter top underneath, and expensive

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light brown high heels from Italy. Even in death, she

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was clean and neat and looked looking like a young,

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innocent victim. Nash said she wasn't living like some homeless person.

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The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children developed a

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composite photograph based on her partially burned face. Mill Valley

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forensic artist Gloria News of Mill Valley helped with the

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reconstruction of the girl's head and hair. Authorities believe Vincent

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worked for Joe Wiley Brown, a man Seattle officials described

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as a local godfather who ran Seattle area adult entertainment businesses.

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He was later convicted on federal racketeering charges along with

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an ex cop, for prostitution, arson loan sharking, and extortion.

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According to Washington State court records, in February of two

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thousand and three, DNA from Vincent's family was collected and

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submitted by Washington officials for analysis and connection with the

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Green River serial killer case. Washington officials sought to identify

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young women murdered in the Green River area south of Seattle.

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On November fifth of two thousand and three, Gary Ridgway.

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Ridgeway pleaded guilty to forty eight Council murder, including forty

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two of the forty nine Green River victims. Seattle authorities

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compared Tammy Vincent's partial DNA profile with the remains of

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four unidentified Green River bodies, but no match was found.

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Then in February of this year, Vincent's DNA profile was

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uploaded by the Richmond Lab into the FBI's National Missing

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Person's database, and a tentative match was made. By the

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end of the month, Marine authorities confirmed that the unidentified

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body found in Tiberan was Tammy Vincent. The use of

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DNA and criminal cases came into use by police agencies

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in the late nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties. About

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a year after being assigned to the case, Marine authorities

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began to develop a DNA profile using bones and other evidence. However,

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much of the evidence was useless because the schedulet remains

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had deteriorated, but a hair sample preserved following an autopsy

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held the DNA that made that match. Hoover, who works

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at the state's DNA lab in Richmond, called Nash to

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inform him of the database hit. Within hours, Nash was

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on an airplane headed to Washington State to deliver the

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news to her family. It's absolutely amazing, a Tiburan police

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Captain Dave Hutton said, when you come across a case

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over that amount of time, to finally bring this young

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lady to a proper resting place where her family knows

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and there's a sense of closure, that to me is

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just mind boggling, says. Last month, cemetery workers exhumed the

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body from the grave nineteen thirty two, Dash four in

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the Garden of Devotion at Valley Memorial Park in Nevada.

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On an overcast day. Nash gathered Vincent's remains from the grave.

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The next day, her remains were cremated. Two days later,

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National detective Jim Hickey arrived in Washington with an urn

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containing Vincent's ashes. It was the focal point of a

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family memorial service at Ephrata Cemetery in Ephrata, Washington. Sandy

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Vincent was almost too overwhelmed to speak. More than twenty

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seven years after Tammy was killed, Sandy delivered an emotional

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goodbye to her sister at the gathering. We could have

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done a lot of things together, as sisters do, she said.

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Last month. She could have had a family, and I

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know she had a career. She wanted to pursue Sandy.

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Vincent said her wanted to become a nurse. I know

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she wanted to come home. Vincent said, she just didn't

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get the chance. How could anyone who possibly could have

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done this live without having any sort of guilt. I

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would very much like to have justice. So that brings

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us to a murder. On September twenty sixth of nineteen

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seventy nine, eighteen to twenty year old female in Tihran, California,

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dumped on the beach in an area frequented by joggers,

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stab repeatedly, shot in the head facing upper torso, mutilated

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by burns. Never identified. So I'm sorry. This is when

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the body of Tammy was found. Was September twenty sixth

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of nineteen seventy nine. And these are some of the

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recreations that those recreation artists had completed. And I think

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ultimately in the end that this is actually the picture

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of Tammy Vincent. The interesting note this murder is connected

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to the Green River killer Gary Ridgeway, since Tammy was

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purportedly part of a sex scheme and moved to San

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Francisco in order to testify in a federal case for

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King County. King County is the Green River killings occurred

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in Seattle, Washington area. However, this murder took place in California.

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So while Ridgway confesses to seventy one murders, he is

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only linked to four by DNA and leads officials in

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exchange for a plead deal to the graves of three others.

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I'm just confused because why would he not have taught

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taken them to all seventy one if he's admitting to

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seventy one. So he's just overly taking culpability for many

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more crimes like we seen with Henry Lee Lucas that

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he didn't actively commit, but he's being talked in to

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taking the rap for those. I'm not sure if there

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were names provided in how they came to the conclusion

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there was seventy one unless he could have identified these

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particular murders. Let's see here, what and why would he

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have not taken them to all seventy one if his

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deal was life in prison instead of the death penalty? Again,

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doesn't make any sense. You're being you're being given the

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opportunity to not suffer the death penalty. Why not admit

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to all of them, So I felt like there was

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something going on here, and it makes me wonder if

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Ridgeway isn't just the fall guy for a larger story.

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Like Henry Lee Lucas unidentified helper from Alby in California,

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supports the likeness of the Green River Killer to the

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Zodiac Killer and the occult relationship which includes Alistair Crowley

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and the Rosicrucians. Now, I know that the Rosicrucians was

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something that Stephen Doers heavily hit on in his book.

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I'm not sure if that is really kind of up

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the alley that we're going onto, but I know that

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Harriet had also at some point in time began speaking

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about the Rosicrucians and the relation to the Pope or

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to the Catholic religion. So maybe there is something there

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behind it. It's just not an avenue or a hole

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that this rabbit's gone down. It looks like I took

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this particular next murder out because it has been attributed

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to Joseph d Angelo, the Golden State Killer, and Bay

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00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:54.519
Area rapists, but it is on October first of nineteen

460
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:57.960
seventy nine. I originally had it in here because I

461
00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:01.160
do see that there is a southern California relation to

462
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:04.079
the murders, as we talked about in the black Doll

463
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:06.759
You cases and so forth, and this is actually one

464
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:09.599
of the pathways that Jack would take out of California

465
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.319
and when he was on his way to either Arizona,

466
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:16.720
Texas or any of the southern states. It shows that

467
00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:21.039
they were tied up but scarred off by the females.

468
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:25.519
I'm sorry, the couple was tied up, but was the

469
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:28.920
suspect was scared off by the female screams attacks near

470
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:32.480
a neighbor who is an FBI agent. The FBI agent

471
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:35.799
describes the perp that got away. The friendly murder couple

472
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.680
and two other Goleada couples in twelve thirty seventy nine

473
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:42.799
are again close mos to what we saw here with

474
00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:46.839
these two individuals that survived the East Area rapists and

475
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.400
the original night stalker from Galida murders are one and

476
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:52.720
the same person per law enforcement and the DNA tests.

477
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:56.920
Crime stopped in nineteen eighty six, and again this crime

478
00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.480
has been associated with Joseph DiAngelo. So I have for

479
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:02.200
the time and crossed that one out, though I still

480
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.119
have to keep in the back of my mind Jack

481
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:05.839
stating that he knows that there are people who have

482
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.720
taken the rap for him, whether it was them actively

483
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:11.759
taking the rap, or it was them just being the

484
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.000
fall guy or the patsy. On October eighth of nineteen

485
00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:20.640
seventy nine, Molly Vwinovich in Cleveland, Ohio. Now this is

486
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:24.480
Senator Georgevitch's nine year old daughter was struck by a

487
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.640
van and killed a few days after the primary elections.

488
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.279
So this brings me right back to Harriet right now

489
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:33.279
at this point, because of course, she just moved to

490
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:35.640
the Yukaya area, she'd only been there but a couple

491
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:37.680
of weeks, and she finds herself in a hit and

492
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.160
run accident. She did inform me yesterday that they did

493
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.319
actually catch and arrest the individual who ran from the scene,

494
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.880
but it was all kind of relative, And interestingly enough,

495
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:49.640
it happens at a time when I'm going to be

496
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.759
sharing this information with you about Thewinovitch's daughter. Was this

497
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.640
meant to halt the campaign of Senator Vuinovich But it didn't,

498
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:01.759
So he actually continued to run and one the suspect

499
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.319
that hit her was apprehended and convicted. But he was

500
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:07.119
but was he part of some group to kind of

501
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:12.200
stifle Vowenovich's endeavors. Vanovitch will start to receive taunting letters

502
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:16.519
very similar to the Zodiac Killers, along with memorabilia in

503
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:19.079
those letters that are consistent with things that we see

504
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.599
from the Zodiac Killer in the Halloween card. And we'll

505
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:25.799
be talking about that when we get to those communications.

506
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:31.839
Let's see. So it says on October eighth, nineteen seventy nine,

507
00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:34.440
a few days after the primary, Vewinovich's nine year old

508
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:37.480
daughter Molly was struck by a van and killed. The

509
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:40.079
event brought the Vewenovich campaign to a virtual halt and

510
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:43.920
made it difficult for Kucinich to attack his opponent. Still,

511
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:46.440
he challenged Vonovich to a series of debates in various

512
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:50.000
Cleveland neighborhoods. And again, this is Cleveland, Ohio, you guys,

513
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:52.720
So you have to remember we have communications that are

514
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:57.200
in the FBI FOYA files that indicates Zodiac style letters

515
00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:01.839
were mailed to Ohio. Declined the invitation, saying the debates

516
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.920
would be unproductive, but they did debate on November third

517
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:08.480
at the City Club. Winovich won the election with ninety

518
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:12.680
four five and forty one votes to Kusinich. Seventy three

519
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:17.920
thousan seven hundred and fifty five votes. On October nineteen

520
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:20.720
seventy nine, I see a piece of mail that is

521
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:24.440
in Jack's belongings which actually confirms the location that Dennis

522
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.039
Coffin speaks about, which is that trailer park that they

523
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.279
lived in for the two years in the Sacramento area.

524
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:35.119
It's on Auburn Boulevard, and it eventually actually becomes the

525
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:39.039
FBI Sacramento Field Office, And I thought that, what a coincidence.

526
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:40.519
So when I mapped it out and I have it

527
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.960
here on the map, we can actually see the area

528
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.359
in which the mobile home park and back then I'm

529
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:52.720
really not sure obviously, my hope there it goes back then,

530
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.359
and we were looking at a current map of today's

531
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:57.960
street makeup, So I don't know that back in that

532
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.519
day that there wasn't actually a a combination of this

533
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:07.640
entire area which was actually a mobile home park. But

534
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.480
we do see that this right here on Orange Grove

535
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:14.279
and Auburn Boulevard is the location of the field office

536
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:19.799
of the FBI. On October twenty first, nineteen seventy nine,

537
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.799
we see the Atlanta Child Atlanta, Georgia Child Killer Strike

538
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.720
again with Yusuf Bell. He was going to the store.

539
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:31.279
He was getting into a blue car in Atlanta. Kind

540
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.839
of reminds me of that blue Gremlin reference in the

541
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.680
Oakland County child murders, but it doesn't state what type

542
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:40.599
of car. He had been strangled and abandoned in E. P.

543
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:44.960
Johnson Elementary School. That to me was again reference to

544
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.319
a president, as seen in many of these cases with

545
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.400
the postage and other school dumb signs that are named

546
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:54.359
after presidents, or Benjamin Franklin and Bush with the Humble

547
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.559
Texas reference which is right next to Bush International Airport.

548
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:02.200
So I just kept putting these pieces together as a

549
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:05.599
method of operation because it seemed that it was right

550
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:09.920
up that alley. October twenty first of nineteen seventy nine,

551
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.720
Mary Bennett in San Francisco, California. This would be after returning,

552
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:17.000
obviously to California. She was stabbed more than twenty five

553
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.720
times in the back, neck and face, again complete overkill

554
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.480
like we saw in the Sherry Joe Bates case. She

555
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.200
was buried in a goalie north of Lincoln Park golf

556
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.279
Course's third hole. And of course the springs is back

557
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:32.519
to Blue Rock Springs and the golf course murders that

558
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:37.160
was associated with the Zodiac Killer on November nineteen seventy nine,

559
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.319
found in New York, Livingston's County. Tammy Joe Alexander from

560
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.799
Florida and Iran, a runaway, went missing in nineteen seventy seven,

561
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:49.200
but was found in November of nineteen seventy nine. On

562
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.839
December Tewod of nineteen seventy nine, we actually have the

563
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.839
Times Square killer. And the reason why this one got

564
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.680
put into the presentation is because they were missing heads

565
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:01.559
and hands. The bathtub was us to clean them. I

566
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:04.319
did list myself to research this, and I do believe

567
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.839
that I watched a documentary on these particular murders. The

568
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:09.839
fact that the heads and hands were never found, but

569
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:12.680
then we start actually finding schools and hands in other

570
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.720
locations again brings us back to murders we just talked

571
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.240
to about talk to you about last week, in which

572
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:21.240
case teeth that did not belong to victims found in

573
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.720
shallow graves were found in those graves with those victims

574
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:27.200
and it did not belong to them. So we have

575
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:33.960
that cross crossing over again of a repeated burial or

576
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:38.640
location of a previous victim with the remains of another victim,

577
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:40.680
and we actually, like I said, we're going to see

578
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:42.799
that happening in the I forty five cases as we

579
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:48.000
move on through this presentation. I have Karl Wilson on there,

580
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.200
but I'm not sure why. Another one that I xed

581
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.200
out as being related to the Golden State Killer, which

582
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.720
was on December thirtieth of nineteen seventy nine, Robert Offerman

583
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:01.200
and Deborah Manning in Golita, San die It was a

584
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.200
home invasion like the other Golita, Texas and Lipstick John

585
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.240
Bennet Ramsay. They were shot to death after being tied up.

586
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:11.200
Killer brought white German shepherd with him to the killing,

587
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:14.480
and the dog was missing. One toe broke into a

588
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.839
vacant house next door and stole a bicycle, and that

589
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.880
is going to bring I have bicycle references with Arizona,

590
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.319
Atlanta Golda, the East Area rapist, and the original Knight

591
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:26.759
Stocker from Golada murders are one and the same person.

592
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:30.119
Once again, per law enforcement and the DNA tests, these

593
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:33.079
crime stopped in nineteen eighty six. I'll try not to

594
00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.039
keep rereading that, but I have notated each one of

595
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:39.519
these murders that were associated with him. Recent discovery and

596
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:44.000
matching DNA's yielded Sacramento County a suspect named Joseph James DiAngelo,

597
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:47.799
seventy two years of age and former police officer for

598
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:52.000
twenty six, twenty eighteen press release Sheriff Scott Jones, DA

599
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:56.559
Sacramento County and more officials. It is interesting that I'd

600
00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:59.680
already excluded this case as a possible for Jack, But

601
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.960
I just want to note that we're again that six

602
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:05.279
degrees two degrees, whatever they say it is, we are

603
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:09.559
from anything. Joseph DeAngelo actually worked with one of my

604
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.519
great girlfriends I've known for more than thirty years at

605
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:15.760
Save March. She worked with him for twelve years. He

606
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.119
was a mechanic there on the trucks and big rigs

607
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:21.400
that she drives, and she spent many occasions fishing with

608
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:24.599
him and enjoying his company, and would never have picked

609
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:29.159
up on the fact that he hated women or otherwise. Oh,

610
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:33.039
I love you, Harriet, soouche. I just got a Mary.

611
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:37.000
I just got a message from her. It says, I'm

612
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.800
here in the hospital listening to this show. You go girl.

613
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.360
We're reaching out to you. We love you, We hope

614
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:45.320
you heal soon. Can't wait to have you back and

615
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.199
continue on with the wonderful solves that you've been coming

616
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:54.519
up with. All right, that brings us to winter winter

617
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.559
March of nineteen eighty or Okay, so this picture is

618
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.400
only lit DID eighty on the back, so it occurred

619
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:05.000
in nineteen eighty. And when I look at the trees

620
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:09.159
around it, we're either just before spring or right after fall.

621
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.519
So that's why I listed March or November of nineteen eighty,

622
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:14.960
because that could really only be the two possibilities for

623
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.840
having bear trees. In the background, we see pictures of

624
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:20.920
Butch and Terry's wedding in Reno, Nevada. Surroundings appear to

625
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.760
be either early nineteen eighty before bloom or late nineteen

626
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:27.519
eight or eighty after fall nineteen eighty, Jack's daughter moved

627
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.079
into the trailer space as we'd heard Dennis talk about

628
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:33.840
on Auburn Boulevard, and we know that again. I mean,

629
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.760
there's really nobody off limits to Jack in this family.

630
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.800
I've heard from his ex wife who indicated he attempted

631
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:43.880
to smother her with a pillow. Now we're hearing Dennis

632
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:49.400
recall a story about Jack strangling his daughter. Dennis believes

633
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.400
that Jack was ultimately responsible for killing his mother In

634
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.599
the end. We know that he killed several family pets,

635
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:57.360
and we know that he was an avid hunter of

636
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.719
small and large game. So this man, but again nobody,

637
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:03.519
was not on his list in terms of what he

638
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:08.760
might do to actually harm or kill something. I do

639
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:10.920
need to do some research on this, but I thought

640
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:13.519
it was worth putting in here in nineteen eighty one

641
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.360
a possible murder time frame. This was provided to me

642
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.440
by Moonlight, she used to be around again. She felt

643
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:24.280
like she had been so invaded and her systems had

644
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:28.199
been hacked, and that people were literally trying to take

645
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.599
down all the research that she's done. I was able

646
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.239
to keep some of that research and enter it into

647
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:36.800
the PowerPoint presentation. So this was not my find, which

648
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:38.920
is why I really probably should have done the research

649
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.440
before now. But I really don't find a lot on

650
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.840
these old murders, So sometimes it just seems futile to

651
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:47.599
go through the Internet for hours and hours looking for

652
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:51.360
something I'm just not gonna find it, says the murder

653
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:54.360
of an Arizona Deborah Carrit. Her belongings were brought back

654
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:59.760
to hitchhiker killer body dump site to frame the Zodiac

655
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:02.960
came and noally the Imperial as she called it. So

656
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.280
I don't know if you guys remember the personal ad

657
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.880
that we talked about quite some time ago, in which

658
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.679
case it was reaching out to Zodiac, but it also

659
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:16.599
talked about other signs of what astrology puts out there.

660
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.119
Libra I think it was. And then there was one

661
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.920
other but also the Imperial as if to say something

662
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.519
related to like the KKK, which is something that Harriet

663
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:30.480
Souchet has brought up in some of those communications as solves.

664
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:34.159
So she Moonlight is saying that it was to frame

665
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:39.039
Manali and Anderson, which both purportedly had committed self murder.

666
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:44.000
Manali worked for a temp period for a temp period

667
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.280
at sam Quentin. Did he help spring the Anguin Brothers

668
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.440
with Ko and Golden Stirtle, which mystery mysteriously died in

669
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.599
nineteen seventy five, which is Kim's biological dad. I'm not

670
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:58.760
sure who she's referring to as Kim, but between seventy

671
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.360
four and seventy six seems to be all the zk

672
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:05.239
MK's die leaving the Master and I think that she

673
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.800
again is referring to others that are in the group.

674
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:11.639
Who is the zk MK ultra. I don't know, but

675
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:16.519
she did list a a URL. It looks like here's

676
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:19.199
so veteran Doe. Is this individual that we're going to

677
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:23.400
talk about right now, John Doe from Napa, California. John

678
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:28.280
Doe was found I believe, at Mount Meter, California. It

679
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:32.679
says race was white, sex was male. Couldn't estimate the weight,

680
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:38.440
height was in inches sixty eight. Estimated hair color possibly brown,

681
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.800
eye color unknown or missing circumstances probably year of death

682
00:38:42.880 --> 00:38:45.760
was nineteen eighty one to nineteen eighty two. Estimated or

683
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:50.480
mortem interval fifteen years. It says skeletal remains found on

684
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:54.280
a secluded hillside residence while property was being surveyed for

685
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:57.519
new owner. Scene appeared to be at least ten to

686
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:01.400
fifteen years old. Skeletal remains out over one hundred feet

687
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.719
on hillside down a deer trail, evidence of animal bites

688
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:09.320
to the skull. The Ruger Bearcat twenty two caliber revolver

689
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:13.920
discovered under the body gun traced to Burglary in Arizona.

690
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.920
So now we have this criss crossing and I think

691
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:18.440
that's why she put in here the murder of Deborah

692
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:22.360
Carrick from Arizona, so it's possible that that murder took

693
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:26.199
place in Arizona with Deborah Carrick, and this gun was

694
00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:29.559
then stolen while the suspect was in Arizona and then

695
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.320
came back to California and committed a murder with that

696
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:38.039
it says. A Smirnoff vodka bottle and Budweiser beer cans

697
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:40.440
also were on the scene. Dates on the bottle and

698
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:43.280
cans were allotted to nineteen eighty one. The twenty two

699
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:47.679
caliber AMMO found in a handmade leather backpack, so again,

700
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:53.400
handmade items are something we see that Jack is very

701
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:56.480
good at doing. A single gunshot wound found on the

702
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.719
right side of the head, lower jaw was missing. Numerous

703
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:03.719
bones found, but not a complete skeleton. Totality of circumstances

704
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:06.559
during the investigation led investigators to believe that this was

705
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:13.039
a suicide by a handgun. However, well, then it would

706
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.639
suggest that he was also the person who committed the

707
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:18.440
murder in Arizona and stole that gun. But then why

708
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:22.400
come back to California and commit suicide. Other distinctive physical

709
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:28.039
characteristics calcium build up on one leg. Bone recovered led

710
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:32.039
anthropologists to believe that the decedent might have ridden horses.

711
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:39.920
Very interesting. John Doe, California, twenty six to thirty two

712
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:44.360
years old, white male, located on October seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven,

713
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:48.000
in Mount Veter, Napa County, California. Dental work makes them

714
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:51.280
believe the man was affluent or in the military, Possible

715
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:55.920
connections to Phoenix, Arizona area and horse riding. Additional information

716
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:58.239
says Mount ved Man Or, Napa. John Doe was an

717
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:01.320
adult male discovered in California in nineteen ninety seven. He's

718
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.559
believed to be deceased for several years prior to his discovery,

719
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.239
and his death may have occurred as early as nineteen eighty.

720
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.159
His cause of death was a gunshot. However, authorities do

721
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.599
not know if it was due to homicide or suicide.

722
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:18.119
And the gallery exclusions of John Phillips. I'm not sure

723
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:20.320
why she put that in there either. Sometimes I do

724
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:22.280
wish that Moon Night was still around with us so

725
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:26.679
that she could explain some of this stuff to me. Anyways,

726
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:28.800
we do have a picture of Jack in nineteen eighty.

727
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:30.760
I look at this picture and I just don't even

728
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.239
recognize this man. He looks so different from one errand

729
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:37.280
to the next, as if he's ever changing his looks.

730
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:43.159
March fourth of nineteen eighty, Angel Lanaire twelve years old

731
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.880
in Atlanta, Georgia. So now this is our next murder

732
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:50.360
back in the Atlanta Georgia Killings, as the first female

733
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.400
victim of this series strangled and tied to a tree

734
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.320
and possibly sexually assaulted with an object. On March eleven

735
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.920
of nineteen eighty, Jeffrey Mathis disappeared and was never found

736
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:05.559
from Atlanta, Georgia. Again, we have another one of the

737
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:08.239
Bay Area or I'm sorry, the Golden State Killers, which

738
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:11.519
was on March thirteenth of nineteen eighty. I always led

739
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.920
into this because it always appeared when, like I said,

740
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:18.280
when the murder in Atlanta, Georgia happened, that we would

741
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.800
shortly after see something happening in Texas and then back

742
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.599
in California again, as if he was making his travel

743
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:28.519
back through and up to northern California. On April twenty

744
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.280
fourth of nineteen eighty, Robin Brooks in Sacramento, California was murdered.

745
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.440
She was twenty years old, found murdered in her apartment.

746
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.039
She worked for a donut shop on Keefer Boulevard in

747
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:42.119
Tallahoe Drive near Power In Dumps and it is on

748
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:47.239
the murder map of Sandy Betts. Then we had a

749
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:52.639
slew of murders that occurred in Atlanta back to back.

750
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:55.440
Basically it looks like May eighteenth of nineteen eighty. We

751
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:59.760
had Eric Middlebrooks in Atlanta. On June ninth of nineteen

752
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:03.280
eight Chris Richardson disappeared and was never found in Atlanta.

753
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:07.760
June twenty second of nineteen eighty, Latanya Wilson disappeared in Atlanta.

754
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:12.880
June twenty third of nineteen eighty, Aaron Wyke disappeared in Atlanta.

755
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.800
So very busy month in June for the Atlanta, Georgia

756
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:19.639
child killer. July sixth of nineteen eighty, Anthony Carter was

757
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.800
murdered in Atlanta. And July eighth of nineteen eighty, so

758
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:26.440
again very close in time frame, twenty three year old

759
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:33.519
Barbara Gale Witten, Newkiny, Texas, off Roman Forest Boulevard. Black

760
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:36.360
female burned in a wood area, shot multiple times with

761
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.719
a twenty two caliber firearms. So now we can see

762
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:41.360
again the shooting and the burning of the bodies. These

763
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:44.239
things that are that are really kind of overlapping with

764
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.119
the mos. So either this is just the way the

765
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:49.159
mob got down or this is the way the Zodiac

766
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:51.760
got down. Two white males were seen at the scene

767
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.119
putting something in the truck of a medium blue Chevy

768
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.920
Nova with two navy blue racing stripes. So again we're

769
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.400
back to that blue veal that was spoken about in

770
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:05.039
some of the earlier Atlanta cases, with one final murder

771
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.719
on July, not final, but at least for the month.

772
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:11.960
July thirtieth of nineteen eighty, Earl Terrell was murdered in Atlanta.

773
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:17.880
Then we have coming back into California again something that

774
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.239
is associated to the Golden State Killer, on August eighth

775
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.119
of nineteen eighty in the Dana Point, San Diego area.

776
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:27.480
On August twentieth, the nineteen eighty, we see the murders

777
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.360
pick back up again in Atlanta with Clifford Jones. On

778
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:33.760
August twenty sixth, we have Ronda Michelle Baylock in North

779
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:36.440
Carolina again picked up in a blue Chevy with a

780
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.559
white camper shell. Now we know that Jack owned a

781
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:42.760
blue pickup truck with a white camper Shell, So that's likely.

782
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:44.800
While I threw this one in, but you don't have

783
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:48.360
any information that supports he was in northern California. Again,

784
00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:51.519
sometimes these end up in the presentation simply because they

785
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:55.639
are unsolved and everything should be considered, no matter how

786
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.519
far apart they are, and no matter what the timeframe is,

787
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:02.199
because we know that j was all over the United States.

788
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:07.039
Another murder occurs in Atlanta, Georgia child killer on September

789
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:10.400
fourteenth of nineteen eighty, which is Darren Glass in Atlanta,

790
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:14.719
and then on October ninth, nineteen eighty. Charles Stevens was

791
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:19.239
killed in Atlanta. In November first of nineteen eighty, so

792
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.719
following the Atlanta murders, we have a fourteen to seventeen

793
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:26.519
year old Jane Joe number one. It's a Texas murder

794
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:29.760
found dumped along I forty five about five miles north

795
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:33.360
of Huntsville, strangled with pantyhose and was found nude. Bite

796
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:35.440
marks were on her body. Now this is out of

797
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:38.719
character for the Zodiac Killer. I mean, clearly we've not

798
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.840
heard anything like this up to this point. But we

799
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:44.599
do know that in the Black Dahlia and several of

800
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.320
the other murders. There were mutilations that took place, so

801
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.440
I put nothing past this person. The body was five

802
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.440
foot four inches one hundred and ten pounds in brown hair.

803
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:57.719
Then in November first of nineteen eighty, we have Aaron

804
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:02.039
Jackson at Atlanta, Georgia, and then I wrote down probably

805
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:05.119
not Jack. On November ninth of nineteen eighty, Valerie MacDonald

806
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:09.480
and San Francisco found in British Columbia, Canada. There has

807
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:11.880
been a Canadian connection that I hadn't found yet with

808
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.840
the zodiac and the Tim Miller letter, but now we're

809
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.440
starting to see that Canadian connection after I've done some

810
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:21.920
more research. Philip A. Thompson was a possible Jack associate.

811
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.159
She was told that they could get her into the movies,

812
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:28.840
and it is not on the murder map of Sandy Betts.

813
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.400
On November tenth of nineteen eighty, we have Patrick Rogers

814
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:36.599
again killed in Atlanta, Georgia. And then I had an

815
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:40.480
interesting It looks like a letter that was sent or

816
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:43.159
at least a notification sent by an attorney in regards

817
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.519
to one of Jack's relatives. And the reason why I

818
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:48.599
found it interesting is because we show Jack Terrence on

819
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.679
here twice. One is being deceased and one is being alive,

820
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.679
and we're going to explain that information because the addresses

821
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:58.079
are not making any sense to me. November fifteenth of

822
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.400
nineteen eighty Jack's relative Lena Dare dies in New Mexico.

823
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:04.639
And maybe this is that New Mexico connection with the

824
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:10.320
Constellation Mountains. Dennis used to tell me about that Jack

825
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.239
had taken off for a month at a time to

826
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:16.760
Oklahoma to buy pot. He also had gone into the

827
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:20.280
Constellation Mountains in New Mexico. I believe it was with

828
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:23.480
two individuals, and Jack chuckles when he says only two

829
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:25.320
of us came out, so as if to say they

830
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:29.039
killed somebody in that particular area. Well, it looks like

831
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.679
I'm down to about my last minute. Well it says

832
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:35.119
I've got another minute, in two minutes, in some seconds.

833
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:36.559
Let me see if I can make it through this.

834
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:41.559
So it actually shows that there is a living cousin

835
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:45.159
called Jack Terrence on Route one Willing, Oklahoma. And I

836
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:47.000
thought that was odd because we know that the only

837
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:50.840
other Jack Terrence was Jack's father, who had long passed.

838
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.440
I mean he died when Jack was twelve, so they

839
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:56.679
couldn't have been referring to Jack the father. They must

840
00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:59.519
be referring to Jack Terrence, and they list an address

841
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:03.360
for him currently in nineteen eighty at Wellington, Oklahoma. When

842
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:05.840
I questioned Dennis about that, that's when he said that

843
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:07.559
Jack would take off for a month at a time

844
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:11.079
to go to Oklahoma to bipod and that is likely

845
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.760
where maybe he picked it up. I'm not sure. The

846
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:17.039
letter on this is postmarked October nineteen eighty from Bobby

847
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:21.840
Lyons estate October nineteen eighty. Jack's residence is still the

848
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.199
forty four twenty eight Alburn Boulevard, verified by the attorney

849
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:27.360
who mailed him in regards to being an heir and

850
00:48:27.400 --> 00:48:30.440
by a neighbor who gave an interview on Jack at

851
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.880
ancestry dot Com also shows Jack here in nineteen eighty one,

852
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.280
so we do have enough information to show that he

853
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:39.280
was in the place that Dennis was talking about. I

854
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:41.800
think at this point I'm probably going to well, let

855
00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:45.280
me see, we'll talk about real quick. Jack W. Terrence

856
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:48.280
is now listed as a deceased cousin, but it shows

857
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:50.760
his address at forty four twenty eight Alburn Boulevard, so

858
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:52.639
I'm not sure if this was just a clerical error

859
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:56.679
because JW. Terrence was Jack's father, he was in fact deceased,

860
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.239
but he couldn't have currently been living in Auburn Boulevard

861
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:03.639
in nineteen eighty so I'm not sure where the disconnect

862
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:07.079
happened in this information, but clearly this attorney has reached

863
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.079
out to both locations and even sent a letter to

864
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:13.679
the address where the deceased cousin lives. So again, I'm

865
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.559
just a little confused by the information, but it definitely

866
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:19.800
shows that we have Jack wandering around the United States.

867
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.000
So I think that's about all we have for today.

868
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:26.800
You guys. I wish Harriet well. I hope your recovery

869
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:30.360
is speedy. I hope everybody has a wonderful holiday. Merry

870
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.000
Christmas to those who celebrate Christmas, and happy Holidays to

871
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:37.440
those that don't. I will see you next Friday. Everybody

872
00:49:37.480 --> 00:50:01.000
have a wonderful weekend.