Jan. 25, 2025

ATKID Finale, Keddie Murders, and John Walsh

ATKID Finale, Keddie Murders, and John Walsh

The evidence that Wayne Williams is not the suspect, and a plight from parents and a Senator to the Attorney General about why 22 child murder cases were closed without ever being tried? The Keddy Cabin murders in Plumas County turns Keddie, CA into a...

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The evidence that Wayne Williams is not the suspect, and a plight from parents and a Senator to the Attorney General about why 22 child murder cases were closed without ever being tried? The Keddy Cabin murders in Plumas County turns Keddie, CA into a ghost town where GE blasts through it’s new gas line?!? Sounds a bit like John Ramsey corporate takeover… Barring time, we will cover the John Walsh, ATKID, Rupert Murdoch, and Zodiac Killer connections.

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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome Harriet Souche to the show.

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Ye had good morning, and I'm not on serious drugs

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like I was yesterday. I don't remember half of the conversation.

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Oh well, it was a good one. I can tell

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you that we had some interesting conversations because we just

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saw on the news yesterday that Trump has ordered the JFK,

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RFK and MLK files declassified, which for me is extremely exciting.

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I'm sure that it's taken this long. He was supposed

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to have done it in his first term. Eight years later,

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he has now actively put that in effect and those

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files are ordered to be released within fifteen days. That

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is going to be the longest two weeks of my life.

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I don't know what I'm excited about because it's likely

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to be heavily redacted, but I'm hoping that there are

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still bits and pieces that we can use from that

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to help put some of these puzzle pieces together. Now

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this goes.

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Along with well, well that's all Man's going to say

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really quickly. It is going to be like some of

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what we've already seen where it looks like it's redacted

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and it's official, then you decodeed and it says something

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else with certain names supposed to be redacted anyways, So

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it's going to be very interesting.

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Well, I also found that interesting in light of didn't

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we have some other items that were released right after

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Carter passed away. So Jimmy Carter.

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Passed next the next day in Europe, their hold classified

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who helped the Nazis and things mainly in Europe, but

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that would obviously be connections to the United States, Canada, anywhars.

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They released it the next day, right, So your soul

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said that all of this information that Carter was involved

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with and these saw that you're coming up with, that

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indicates that the Zodiac is making direct contact with Carter.

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All of this was supposed to be revealed once he

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and the zodiac had passed away, So we're starting to

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see some of that information actually spill out. I mean,

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we've long since waited for this information on JFKRFK and MLK,

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so we'll finally get to see, hopefully what the investigation entailed,

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and who they were looking at and where they really

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think that this whole entire escapade was perpetrated by. I

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did see that there was a gentleman who had found

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a bullet behind JFK's back in the car. He picked

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it up and supposedly put it onto a gurney. I

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was a little confused by the article because it first

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said it was on Connolly's gurney, but then he stated

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that he had put it on JFK's gurney. So that

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would actually disprove the single bullet theory, which most of us,

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if you owned guns, you never leave that bullet single

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bullet theory to begin with. But had you heard about.

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That, Harriet, oh years ago?

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I'm catching up. I really don't know anything about these files.

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Yes, I say, it would disprove the single bullet theory,

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so they kind of yeah on Cary.

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Right, Well, and I mean, I think that the whole

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premise that the Zodiac even wrote a communication in regards

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to the JFK shooting, which case was a letter we

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talked about way back in nineteen sixty three that was

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mailed to the Dallas Police Department, and we know that

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that's the Zodiac's handwriting. And how he has this inside

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information is really kind of one of those things that

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made me think that he was with the Syndicate or

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with the mob or with somebody who had that inside

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information that would be able to say, link Ruby to Oswald.

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And then of course we know that Oswald was shot

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inside the police department by Ruby, who was able to

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get a gun in there. And the letter literally said

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linked these two together. And then we have Ruby actually

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killing Oswald. So there's something there there definitely is all right.

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So back to the.

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Well, I just wanted to introject quickly. That's where mill

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Bowi comes. And he saw that on TV and said

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that he said that he saw that Ruby had shot him,

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but it was forty five fifty minutes later that he

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died at the hospital, so that they said it was

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the hospital's fault. So Ruby shots it would be kind

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of a yeah.

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Let's let's yeah, I see that Nolan's here. Welcome him

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to the show because he's really good on this history stuff.

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Nolan do Good morning Nolan.

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He's in the studio, but I don't see his presence

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on screen, his camera and micro off. If you can

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hear us, No one, turn on your camera in your.

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Mic Yes, and twice.

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Do you hear me? Now?

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I can't hear you. Now have you heard what we've

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been talking about?

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Okay? I uh, just Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald.

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Well, we started with the fact that Trump just declassified

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the JFK, MLK and RFK files. Interesting, right, I thought

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you were going to be on this one.

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I knew.

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I knew he didn't, but I don't know. I'm sure

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they're going to be redacted, of course, be truth. No,

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well maybe helple tibbets.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. So they have fifteen

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days to do that. It'll be the longest two weeks

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of my life. We're going to be able to find

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these things. And of course we were just cross referencing

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some of the stuff. Like I'd said, we're going to

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be able to pull bits and pieces out of it,

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even though they think they've redacted stuff, there's ultimately going

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to be some type of information in there that could

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help put some of these puzzle pieces together. And since

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the Zodiac did in fact write a letter in regards

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to JFK's assassination and putting together the link between Ruby

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and Oswald, and then we had Ruby who killed Oswald

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in the police department where he was able to get

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or killed shot him in the police department where he

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was able to access Oswald and he had a gun

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on him. Is not just a coincidence that the Zodiac

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was attempting to say that there was a link there.

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And then as Harriet was just mentioning that, Melvin bell

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I picked up the case correct for Ruby, Yes, right,

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and then we had.

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He saw Ruby shoot him, but he dies for fifty

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minutes later. You're at the hospital, so you said that's

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where the hospital for the same It was only just

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a minute away from the hospital. That's where bell I

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took over.

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We lost you there. What was that?

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I hear.

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You're cutting in and out. I don't know what it is.

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Yeah, did I go out and come back in?

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That sounded fine right there. I don't know if that

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was just a momentary blurb or what. But needless to say,

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so we have Melvin Belly who then attempts to represent

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Jack Ruby in the shooting of Oswald, who supposedly assassinates

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the president. And then we have the Zodiac turning around

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and writing Melvin bell I directly. So this is too much, guys,

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There's there's too much of a weave here that's going on.

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But I'm gonna I'm going to take us back to

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the nale of the Atlanta, Georgia child murder cases and

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some of the foyophile information that I had pulled out

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so we can quickly get through this topic and move on.

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So basically, I found a Criminal Investigative Division informative note

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on March third of nineteen eighty two in the re

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at kid Major Case thirty Atlanta. It says Atlanta attached

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Atlanta teletype advises that on three to one eighty two,

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a meeting was held at the Atlanta Police Task Force

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headquarters with representatives from all affected law enforcement and prose

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prosecutorial agencies present. After much discussion, it was concluded that

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Wayne Williams could be linked to twenty three of the

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Task Force victims, which includes victims cater and Pain. District

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Attorney Louis Slayton advised he will recommend to the district

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attorneys who have jurisdiction over these cases that they be

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officially closed. The remaining seven cases, as set forth in

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the attached teletype, will be turned over to the appropriate jurisdictions.

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It was unanimously agreed upon that the task Force be

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disbanded effective three eight of nineteen eighty two. So basically

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after a nine week trial for Wayne Williams, who was

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legitimately caught dumping two adult bodies over the bridge. I believe,

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is that correct, Harriet.

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That's what I'm understanding.

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So somehow they have now.

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Sorry, I'm trying to get up. Oh okay, I may

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have to mute. I have to meet new two for

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thirty seconds. Okay, not a.

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Problem, all right. So anyways, I can hear you, Yes, okay.

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I've lost my picture, but I guess I'm still I

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can hear you, right.

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You're still alone. Very crazy. Well, at any rate. My

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whole idea behind this is they stated they could link

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twenty three of the victims, but the other seven were

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returned to the original jurisdiction of the murder. If they

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believed that these individuals were all killed by the same person,

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and they couldn't link seven of them to Wayne Williams,

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Then isn't it more of a I can't lost my

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train of thought.

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Now, multiple killers, I think more than one person involved

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in the killings.

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Well, but he was. He was caught dumping two adult

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bodies that has no relation to child.

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Killing, right, And they never arrested anyone else.

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No, they specifically did not look at anybody else. And

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so for these other seven cases that they've referred back

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to local jurisdiction that remain unsolved, they literally closed these

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cases without ever even trying Wayne Williams form and they

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closed him on him as if he was the murderer

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and we were all supposed to just accept that. So that,

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to me is just another one of law enforcement's dirty

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deeds to close cases on people who are in ascent,

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which we are going to be doing a show here

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soon on my client who has been incarcerated for more

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than thirty years in regards to a murder he didn't commit.

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Because once law enforcement sinks their teeth into somebody, they

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don't want to let go. They're like pit bulls. They're

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just going to keep pressing their issue and their agenda

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without actively investigating and doing what they should be doing.

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So it goes on on March twelfth of nineteen eighty

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two with another communication came in from a anonymous person.

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They don't say who it is here, but it says

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ink Let dated thirty nine of eighty two, subject rights

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in and believes that Wayne Williams is innocent of the

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Atlanta murders, alleges that the Atlanta Pede and FBI are

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covering something up. He alleges that the killings are part

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of a voodoo Masonic quabilistic ritual since oil was found

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on parts of the bodies of the victims. That's an

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interesting take because in one of my conversations with Tim

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Miller and the loss of his daughter, his main suspect

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was somebody heavily involved in the oil industry. So we

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do and we have been talking about oil and its

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relation to those that are involved throughout this process over

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the last forty fifty years now, well at least up

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till nineteen eighty one. So it was interesting to see

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somebody else say that there was there was oil found

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on the parts of the bodies of the victims. I

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don't have enough information on this case to determine, you know,

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was it because of where they were dumped that they

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came into contact with oil. But they're saying on several

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so when they say bodies, there's more than one that

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has oil on them, and they think that that's a

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link somehow. So this must have been information that was

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out there in the public for just some anonymous person

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to write in about, but.

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Also a point of a ritual. And a lot of

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times law enforcement is either protecting people or their law

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enforcement officers involved, correct and directly involved.

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And we're going to.

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You got convicted Zacher. He was a former college.

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Right, And Harriet, you need Harriet, you need to mute yourself.

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What was it? You need to mute yourself. You've got

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too much background noise going on and it's interrupting and

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taking minutes away from the limited time. Okay, thank you,

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so go ahead, Nolan okay.

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I was also saying in the Son of sam Ers,

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both the District Security's office and the police department fumbled

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and bumbled, and then they finally found one guy blamed

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him for all the killings when there are multiple people involved.

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So it's it's weird how terrible the police work is,

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and when it comes to a lot of these murders.

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It's like the attempt to just close whatever they can

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close on somebody, whether it's right or not, because they

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just want to be seen as having done their job.

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And we're going to be talking about that with Henry

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Le Lucas and O'Toole. And then, of course, as you

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were mentioning in the Son of Sam, the investigative reporter

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who was looking into those cases and believed that more

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than one person was involved, he attempted to run some

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stories on the Martin Luther King events that occurred after

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his assassination, and the media that he was actively working

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with and wanted the story told through discarded his story

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and truth about you know, the fires and the riots

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and the streets burning up and the disarray that occurred

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after the assassination of MLK, and they basically shut that

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story down and made it sound like everything was roses

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and peaches.

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So, yes, media is right there behind them. In the

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John Ramsey case, when I watched that docuseriies, you know

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there they were vilifying and crucifying the Ramses. Yeah, the

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Ramseys with the media and all the while they were

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wrong withholding evidence, and we're going to see a lot

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of that in this case that I'm going to do

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with you, Nolan and San Joaquin Valley transparency. So to

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continue on with this particular and I have to reiterate

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that one of the victims in the at kid cases

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called home and said that she was picked up and

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offered a ride home by a nice white man, but

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they stopped at his house first and gave her an

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opportunity to call home. So I'm sorry, but an eight

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year I think it was an eight year old child

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that made this call home. If this was if she

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was being told to lie, to say it's a white

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man when it's really a black man that's picked her up,

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I think that there would have been some duress in

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her voice. There would be some stress because she's being

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asked to purposely lie about some scenario in which she

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was feeling safe in. And if she was feeling safe

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because this white man was nice, it's highly unlikely that

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you were going to get her to lie to her

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parents in regards to who this individual is. But the

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fact that they've actually you convicted, well, they didn't convict

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Wayne Williams here's the whole entire issue and why I'm

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going over this information. They did not try these cases

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at all, and only twenty three out of it. It

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looks like thirty victims could be associated to Wayne Williams.

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And maybe that's exactly what they were attempting to do,

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was to take Wayne Williams down again like a patsy

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like Arthur Lee Allen. You know, let's point the evidence

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towards that person, and then to not even tryum for

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the cases and to close the cases out. To me,

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it's a disgusting abuse of the justices. He was a

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skiedgoat completely. So on March twenty ninth of nineteen eighty two,

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to the Honorable William H. Webster, Director Federal Bureau of

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Investigation in the United States Department of Justice, Dear Judge Webster,

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if you guys remember that this is the same judge

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that was on the Wayne Williams case, he had actively

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placed a gag order on anybody in regards to speaking

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to any media or otherwise in regards to the case,

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which to me again is absolutely odd. You've got a

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major American travesty that has occurred, and you want to

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put a gag order so that we can't hear the

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evidence or know what's going on. So this is actually

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being written to Judge Webster, and this is from Lewis R. Slayton,

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which is the District Attorney Atlanta Judicial Circuit. It says,

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I appreciate, yes, yes, So that's why they say that

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they believed that the FBI was helping to conceal or

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cover up the actual acts of this particular crime. So

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I appreciate very much your taking time from your busy

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schedule to write about the prosecution of Wayne Williams and

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your kind words. Whatever success we achieved in that case

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would not have been possible without the splendid assistance of

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the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Now, well, I know because

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we just got done reading last week FOYA file, in

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which case they're being heavily questioned about their inability to

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work together. Why the task force, Why they didn't show

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up sooner, like there was all these why why? Why?

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Because the FBI didn't do their job to Now, the wonderful,

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splendid work of the Federal Bureau of Investigation is that

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the wonderful work that we can expect from them is

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that they're going to close cases without a trial on

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somebody and then never ever have the real evidence in

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those particular cases heard by the public. So okay, splendid FBI.

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That's where I really think that they need to hold,

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especially since Carter's gone a new trial for Wayne Williams.

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I mean, two obviously doesn't mean eighty, you.

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Know what I mean exactly? Yes, two does not and

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and two adults not children does not mean thirty children.

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So maybe our plight needs to beat a Trump after

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he declassifies this stuff, that he hops on board of

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this case and reopens it for a true investigation either way.

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So I just let's see here, go ahead.

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And one I went up after the wrong guy with

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the was it the Olympics or something, so some big

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event was going on. There was backpack explosives and they.

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Got like, yeah, I remember that that was Atlanta.

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They boxed that well.

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So he says, my very special thanks go to the

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FBI laboratory and the Atlanta laboratory. Why the laboratory, you

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guys did not do anything that connected these murders that

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you closed the cases on who's been convicted exactly so

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and professional again, what's that it was?

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Muting?

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Okay, okay, all right, all right, all right, all right,

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let's let's keep moving. Just mute yourself when that happens.

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I believe in a shining example of federal, state, and

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local teamwork to solve a difficult problem with kindness personal regards.

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I remain yours truly, Gordon H. Miller, Assistant District Attorney.

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So that just completely is contradicting the last memo that

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we read, in which case they weren't cooperating, they weren't

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working together, they didn't step in when they should, and

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they were being questioned left and right, and and until

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that gag order was released, I don't believe any of

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those questions were allowed to be answered. And that's what

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that particular communication had stated. So let's hear it for

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the splendid FBI. Let's see, Oh, here's the gag order.

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Evidently I hadn't read that yet, So mister Thomas F. Keller,

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Assistant Director of the FBI Laboratory. And so this is

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coming from Lewis R. Slayton again, and it says, dear

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mister kellher special agent blank, I don't know redacted, inquired

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about our policy with regard to talking with the media

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about the Wayne Williams case. Now that the trial is over.

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While we certainly do not in any ways purport to

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dictate to the FBI what its policy should be, our

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policy is offered only for your consideration. The gag order

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that was imposed by the trial judge ended when the

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defendant was sentenced. However, since we do not want to

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say anything publicly that might adversely affect the appeal or

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unnecessarily incite the community, we have made it a policy

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not to speak publicly about any evidence connecting Williams to

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any other victims except those named in the indictment. So

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they're refusing to discuss the thirty children, just the two people,

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the two adults. They don't want any information about the

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evidence connecting him in the indictment and those used during

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the trial as similar transactions. We will also refuse comment

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on any other potential suspects which may have been developed

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during the course of the investigation, so they're also going

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to keep that hush hush hush. They don't want anybody

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to know about other suspects. In summary, our public comments

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have been restricted to the evidence introduced at the trial itself,

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trusting that this may be of some value to you.

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I remain with kindest personal regards yours truly, Gordon H. Miller.

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Once again, all of.

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That, even looking for anyone else, I mean that there

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have to be so much clues and evidence of implicating

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other suspects.

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Well, they clearly had other other suspects, and they decided

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they weren't even going to investigate it. And that's really

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where the controversy comes in in this case, because you've

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got some pretty pissed off parents. In fact, let's see

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from the House of Representatives to see if I can

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figure out Mildred Glover Representative District twenty two. So basically

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from the House of Representatives, this letter comes forth to

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William Bradford Reynolds, Assistant Attorney General, Civil Rights Division. It says,

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dear mister Reynolds. After a nine week trial in early

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nineteen eighty two, Wayne Williams was convicted and sentenced for

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the murder of two adults in the Atlanta child killings.

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Subsequent to his conviction, local authorities announced that twenty two

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children cases which appear to be related, would also be closed.

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Not one of the close cases were brought to trial.

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Parents of the children, first bewildered by the investigative treatment

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given their children's murder, and enraged at the knowledge that

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the conviction of Williams for two murders would suffice for

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all of them, sought my assistance for justice beyond the

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state of Georgia. They contend that their children were killed

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because they were black, and that they themselves have been

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treated as second class citizens in their effort to seek

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relief because they too are poor and black. Furthermore, their

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opinions are substantiated by extensive testimony in the form of

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ris and recorded information which provided names, dates, and places

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suggesting a racist intent in the children's murders. It is

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against this background that the and who would be racist?

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This would bring us back to it being a white perpetrator,

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right or a group of right right. Either way, it

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doesn't scream a black man is doing this, which is

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who they penned these murders.

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One doesn't make.

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Sense, uh uh, it says. It is against this background

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that the parents and I entered into regular and lengthy

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discussions of missing and murdered children. The children lived, or

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were last seen, or were found. I consider it an

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important stewardship responsibility to respond to the parents in their

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request after a careful study and review of the information,

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I'm led to believe that the parents contention that discrimination

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was the motive in their children's death is indeed a

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valid one. It is in the parent's behalf that I

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write this letter to present the case of discrimination in

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the Atlanta child killings, that the children were killed because

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of color. Evidence strongly suggests that the children's will oh

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rights have been violated. Further, I am charging that the

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oh some of there's whole punches through my words and

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indifferent treatment accorded the children's death by law enforcement officials,

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and the inadequate and insensitive response to parents is proved

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positive that they were ignored because of color. It is

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fair to assume that our government leaders would have declared

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a state of emergency and conceivably a state of war

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had the thirty victims been white, slain and mass and

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virtually ignored by law enforcement officials. In my response to

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the parents to seek justice beyond the state of Georgia,

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I appeal to you under Title nine of the Civil

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Rights Act of nineteen sixty four, Section nine h two,

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which authorizes the intervention of the United States government and

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civil rights cases. It states, whenever an action has been

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commenced in any court of the United States seeking relief

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from the denial of equal protection of the laws under

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the fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution on account of race, color, religion,

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or national origin. The Attorney General for and in the

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same name of the United States may intervene in such

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action upon timely application. If the Attorney General certifies that

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the cases of general public importance in such action, the

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United States shall be entitled to the same relief as

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it had instituted the action. So she gives a general

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overview of the information that the parents have relayed to

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her in regards to what they know about the cases,

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and that overview really kind of screams that there's definitely

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something else going on here, and they just wanted to

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kind of hush this up and push it under and

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blame it on Wayne Williams in the general overview.

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On a side note regarding that title lining stuff, the

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civil Rights enforcement truck just basically put on leave everyone

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that's in charge of doing that type of enforcement to

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be he put them on paid leave with the intention

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of landing them off or firing him. He's gonna he's

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trying to stand that part of the federal government. Really yeah,

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And there's an article on Today's being about it.

465
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.039
So what's the purpose for doing that?

466
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.559
Because he doesn't care about civil rights.

467
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:39.880
Or he's a good old white boy racist, I guess, well, yeah,

468
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:42.000
if you're going to do away with that whole entire

469
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:45.119
sector of the federal government that's supposed to protect everyone

470
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:49.079
and right and in the law, you know.

471
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.160
It's going beyond his authority, tell you the truth. But

472
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:53.440
that's what he did.

473
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:57.079
It's in the beach, and I often wonder. I mean,

474
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.240
I understand stand that at a certain point in our history,

475
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:04.039
we definitely needed somebody to handle and man these type

476
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:08.839
of situations and events. But the reality is that we

477
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:12.759
are so mixed now as a culture. Does any does

478
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:15.720
white people fall into that civil rights stuff?

479
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:16.039
You know?

480
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.920
I mean we okay. So I'm just trying to make

481
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:21.920
sure that it's fair and across the board for everyone,

482
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:24.960
because you hear about so, you hear about they have

483
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:27.599
their day, they have their day, they have their day,

484
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:34.720
but where is your national white Day. I just think

485
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.799
that we should all be treated equally and fairly given

486
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:42.200
all the same considerations, period across the board. So in

487
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.200
the general overview, it says. During the summer of nineteen

488
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.759
seventy nine, a crisis of unparalleled proportions came to light

489
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:51.119
in Atlanta, Georgia that was to continue for the next

490
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:54.119
two years. Black children and young adults were murdered in

491
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:58.079
massive numbers. The murderers of unknown identity stalk the streets

492
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:00.640
of the city, snatching and killing our child and dropping

493
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.240
their bodies along highways, byways and in the rivers. Now,

494
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:07.559
these are all signs of Zodiac one oh one. Highways,

495
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:11.119
byways and rivers. Waterway dumps we've been talking about just

496
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:16.160
for eons now, and freeway drops absolutely one hundred so

497
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:18.440
during the period of total of thirty young persons were

498
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:21.319
identified as victims of the mass slaine and placed on

499
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.960
an official task force list for ongoing investigation. The group

500
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:29.279
included twenty five children and five young adults. Children ages

501
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.160
ranged from seven to seventeen, young adults eighteen to twenty eight.

502
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.000
On June twenty first of nineteen eighty one, a suspect,

503
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:39.440
Wayne B. Williams, was apprehended near the Chattahoochee River, a

504
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:43.359
dumping ground for many of the victims. Williams was subsequently

505
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.759
charged for the murder of the two adults, Jimmy Ray

506
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:50.599
Payne twenty one and Nathaniel Cater twenty seven, and convicted

507
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:53.039
on both counts following a nine week trial. During the

508
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.480
first part of nineteen eighty two. The books have been

509
00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.200
closed on cases that have indeed not been prosecuted, with

510
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.720
an understanding that they all can be linked to Wayne

511
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:05.880
Williams without the benefit of a trial by jury. There

512
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:11.519
is no precedent for this procedure in court history. The

513
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.599
revision to establish a pattern and make all cases fit

514
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:18.400
in a mold in view of the critical nature of

515
00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.240
the case is indeed an unfit decision. If anything, a

516
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.039
pattern having been established should be used merely as a

517
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.480
point of departure for a trial by jury. In each

518
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:30.440
and every case to date, there's been no attempt to

519
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.039
learn the identity of the mass murderers of our children.

520
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:35.880
For this reason, we are concerned that we may never

521
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:39.720
know the circumstances surrounding our children's desks. Questions abound in

522
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:43.960
every area of the situation. Essentially, mister Reynolds, I believe

523
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.000
that the civil rights of the children and parents have

524
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:49.920
been violated for the following reasons. Number one, testimony given

525
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:53.640
by mister A, and of course these are redacted. They're

526
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:57.880
listing them by alphabetical letters instead of by their names.

527
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.119
So mister A, a white male witness who alleges that

528
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.759
the other white persons have bragged to him about killing

529
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.599
them damn niggers. I am in possession of taped recordings

530
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:11.720
detailing the contents of his testimony. And Number two testimony

531
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:16.200
given by Missus B, a white female witnesses who reports

532
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:18.759
that an acquaintance is killing the children to hide his

533
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:22.880
homosexual activity with the boys. Miss Bee has detailed her

534
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:25.680
observations in a written report and submitted it to me.

535
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.839
Number three testimony given by mister C, a young black

536
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.960
male sixteen sixteen, whom I consider a survivor because of

537
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:38.359
his narrow escape with death. Mister C describes his homosexual

538
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:42.880
prostitution activities with white males in Northside, Atlanta. His tape

539
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:46.079
recorded testimony describes the activities of a club of members

540
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.720
which included two of the victims. Number four. Parents were

541
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.240
subject to an indecent and indifferent treatment by police officials

542
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:55.799
at every level of the crisis.

543
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:56.200
I e.

544
00:32:56.480 --> 00:33:01.240
Delayed action early on insensitive and improper police procedures, all

545
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.559
of which were tolerated because victims were black and not white.

546
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:09.440
Number five. In many instances, citizens desiring to offer information

547
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.400
were either discouraged or ignored in their attempt to cooperate

548
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:17.319
with investigative authorities. Even parents offer of information was often

549
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:21.319
ignored or simply refused. The court's failure to issue subpoena

550
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.920
to persons known to have had continuous contact with many

551
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:29.039
victims based on eyewitness accounts as opposed to fiber evidence,

552
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.960
is also contrary to proper judicial procedure. As a matter

553
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:37.599
of information, court documents, depositions, and other testimony provided identities

554
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:41.279
of such persons. So that's all really sounds to me

555
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:45.799
like what my client has suffered, where they suppressed whatever

556
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.319
it is that they wanted to suppress and only allowed

557
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:52.039
the information they wanted to go forward in the court case.

558
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:57.200
And is that often your your findings with these criminal cases, Nolan.

559
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.119
It depends on the case. I mean it depends on

560
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.279
the department too. Some some departments have known been crooked

561
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.159
for years. Princess La New York.

562
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:09.360
Right.

563
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:12.000
Many of the big ones.

564
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.800
I said, Atlanta, right right there, it's looking like it

565
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.760
it's right up there, And I am a little confused.

566
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:20.960
So when I'm looking at my client's information where it

567
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:24.000
says they specifically omitted and would not allow the jury

568
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:27.079
to hear that the victim had been found half nude

569
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.119
from the waist down and that there was sperm present

570
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:34.239
with a tale, which we're now finding out is something

571
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:38.079
means that that sex had occurred within twelve hours if

572
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.719
the tale was still intact on the sperm. But they

573
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.400
were able to exclude all of that evidence from the

574
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:47.280
jury ever hearing, which is exculpatory for my client that

575
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.880
he was not the one because they didn't even test

576
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:55.480
that sperm when they should have. So is that something?

577
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:58.000
Is that normal protocol for them to just decide I

578
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.400
didn't investigate that at that part of it, so of

579
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.280
course we're just not going to allow the court to

580
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:03.639
hear it.

581
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.119
I think they had an agenda they didn't want to

582
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:11.480
go there. So but also just a side point is

583
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:17.360
that these do involve sex and homosexual behavior, which Jack

584
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:21.960
is not known for either of those things. But that

585
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:24.320
is the mean he wasn't involved in the killing.

586
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:29.639
But again I don't see any I haven't seen or

587
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:37.920
read any instances of any sexual attacks on these children.

588
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:42.239
So to my knowledge. I'm not I'm not aware of

589
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:48.760
anybody having been sexually violated or sexually assaulted in these

590
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.440
particular cases. And we're going back and forth. They're not

591
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:54.239
just boys, they're boys and girls. I'm pretty sure the

592
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:55.079
eight years.

593
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:58.880
They didn't prosecute them, so none of that information, some

594
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.960
of it came out. There's allegations that there were, Yes,

595
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.239
there were sexual crimes, but none of them ember went

596
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.880
to court, so all the others didn't come out.

597
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:14.880
Well, let's see what other evidence these parents have. At

598
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.840
this point, it goes on to say that the following

599
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:21.159
discussion attempts to elaborate on the reasons listed above. Mister

600
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.199
A a white male witness. On August fourteenth of nineteen

601
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:27.159
eighty two, at his request, I visited the home of

602
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.599
a middle aged white male in Atlanta, hereafter referred to

603
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:33.679
as mister A, who gave a comprehensive accounting of the

604
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:37.280
implementation of a calculated plan by whites to kill the

605
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:44.519
black children. An excerpt from that conversation follows, question, mister A,

606
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:49.079
you said that you thought you wife, and your I

607
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:53.039
have thought you you wife. I love it when they

608
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:56.280
can't type, and your wife mother hated the fact that

609
00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:59.000
your sons, who are white went to school and played

610
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.000
with the colored boy. Do you think that could be

611
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:06.440
a serious motive racism, prejudice for your family to take

612
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:11.440
the lives of Atlanta's black children. His answer, yes, ma'am sure.

613
00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:14.599
Do I mean, let me put it this way. They

614
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.960
say the South down here, the white people, the colored people,

615
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.880
and all Lincoln freed the slaves. You know, well, they

616
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:25.000
say that everybody is happy and living together, But there's

617
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.880
still a lot of old folks, white old folks don't

618
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:28.679
feel that way.

619
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:29.599
And her.

620
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.800
Wife's mother was one of those ones. Every morning, she

621
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.679
wife's mother would come over here and have a cup

622
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.039
of coffee with us before she went to work. And

623
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:43.480
she was constantly every morning pouring that garbage in my

624
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:46.960
kid's heads. She didn't talk about the specific boy. She

625
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:52.239
didn't know one specific boy. She just accused my or

626
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:58.159
excuse my friends. She said, them damn niggers running over everybody.

627
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:00.280
They were going to school with them down here here

628
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:03.519
at Bening, and them kids would get in fusses and

629
00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:06.840
fights just like any kids, do you know, But yet

630
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.519
just because they was black. They'd come home and tell

631
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.199
their grandmother and then she'd say them damn little niggers.

632
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:17.280
If it wasn't for them, you wouldn't have got in

633
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:21.119
a fight like that. Constantly every morning she'd come over

634
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:24.880
here and it was end this and end that. Her

635
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:29.920
daddy when she was little, they was raised in Jonesboro,

636
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.639
and he'd come up to Atlanta in horse and wagon

637
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:35.079
about every two weeks. And he was up here when

638
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.440
the ku Klux was killing colored people and carrying them

639
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:40.960
to the river in a wagon. And she was bragging

640
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.599
to the youngins and all, saying that that's what they

641
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:45.239
ought to do.

642
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:45.599
Again.

643
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.920
At another taping in mister He's home, I know, right like,

644
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.599
this is harsh thinking, harsh. I mean, I just you know,

645
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:57.480
at what point do people not have any care or

646
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:00.559
concern for human life? At what point does a color

647
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:02.960
of somebody's skin cause you to hate them so bad,

648
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:05.679
not even knowing them, that you wish that they were

649
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.800
being killed and dumped into a river. I mean, this

650
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.079
is a nasty old lady, obviously.

651
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:11.880
Yes, no doubt God.

652
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.920
At another taping to mister A's home, he reported my

653
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:19.480
son was bragging and said that he killed the one

654
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:21.760
that was stabbed in the stomach, the one that was

655
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.320
found over there off Moorland. As a matter of information,

656
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:28.360
mister A lives in a predominantly black area of Atlanta.

657
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.400
A resident of fifteen years at that address, he is

658
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:33.559
one of the few whites that has remained in his

659
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:37.159
community despite the high incidents of white flight common to

660
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:41.320
urban transition. Mister A and his family, themselves, being poor,

661
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:45.039
lived a similar lifestyle as their black neighbors. So here

662
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.719
we have people that are in the same social status

663
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.199
and background. They're just as poor as each other. And

664
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.440
he's not hating these individuals. He continues to live in

665
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.679
a society where most white people have left because they

666
00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:02.320
deem that inappropriate for themselves. Mister A and his family themselves,

667
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:05.320
being poor, lived in a similar lifestyle as their black neighbors.

668
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:08.519
His immediate family members, whom he accuses of mass murder,

669
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:11.519
were frustrated by having to contend with their black environment,

670
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:16.719
despising their children's attendants at the black school, their social

671
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:20.159
life the same boys club, the issues and fights at

672
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:24.960
recreation centers, their force joint involvement in every area of life.

673
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.840
Their only escape was the frequent visits to relatives in Conyers, Georgia,

674
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.639
who he accuses of providing the opportunity for murder through

675
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:37.199
the use of their motor home. Mister A expresses strong

676
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:40.519
familiarity with several victims by name. In fact, on my

677
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.440
first visit to his home accompanied by two parents, I

678
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:45.840
was amazed at not only his knowledge of the children,

679
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:49.199
but also the parents. He greeted us that upon recognizing

680
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.280
missus Any Rodgers, said good evening. You are miss Rogers,

681
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:57.559
aren't you? Patrick Rogers was your boy? So that could

682
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.960
simply mean he's following the news, you know. I mean,

683
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:01.599
I would think that.

684
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:06.079
It sounds like a lot of inside informission. Why didn't

685
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:07.159
anyone follow.

686
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:11.280
Up on that stuff exactly? And that's why this senator

687
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.639
is or that the representative is actually sending this letter off,

688
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.239
so it says. Mister A claims to have an understanding

689
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:20.440
of the route used by his family and the placement

690
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.000
of the bodies. He says that his relatives motor home

691
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.360
was used to drop bodies in the Katahoochu River from

692
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:29.480
the side door of the vehicle and number two circle

693
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.840
the perimeter on the ground route that was used by him.

694
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.280
Mister A and his wife in their employment with the

695
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:39.559
Dillard Mumford Easy Food Shops aka Magic Markets, he says.

696
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:43.239
He says, well, there's one route coming up twenty from

697
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.599
Conyers going around two eighty five that was stopping at

698
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:49.480
Morland Avenue down there at two eighty five where there

699
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.599
was where there was transporting the kids from a car

700
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:56.519
to the motorhome. They was going on around two eighty

701
00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.440
five and getting off at one sixty six camp and

702
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:03.360
Campbell Road, which they're both the same street, and then

703
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:07.400
turn left going to Fairburn Road and taking another left

704
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.800
and going down red Wine Road, which is approximately three

705
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.039
miles from the Easy Food Shop at Fairburn and Campbellton.

706
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.239
This compelling and vivid account of hate murders is described

707
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by mister A clearly violates the very same protection as

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established by the fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the

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United States. Despite its potential for providing answers to the

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most heinous mass murders in the history of this country.

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Mister A's testimony was ignored and ooh, and doors were

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closed to him at every level of law enforcement. It

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is questionable whether his testimony would have been denied if

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thirty whites had been slain instead of thirty blacks. Missus B,

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a white female witness, through a mutual acquaintance. I met

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Miss B and her husband who reporting number of experiences

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surrounding a suspect who they believed to have young black

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boys in homosexual trysts. She believes her life to be

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in danger because of the suspect is aware of her suspicion.

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Her testimony, however, does not put the suspect with any

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of the victims. Mister C, let's see a young blackmail

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sixteen is a young man not retarded but slow in

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some ways, who reports that he is part of a

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group of youngsters who engage in homosexual prostitution. He expresses

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a disgust at his involvement and an interest in getting out.

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His friend, However, in an effort to get out, was

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assaulted by fellow members of the homosexual club, and because

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of this, mister C fears that he too will be hurt.

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Mister C does in fact linked to child victims as

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former members of the club who accompanied him on many

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occasions on jobs. But that's still a very minute portion

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of the children that are participating in this particular club, and.

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Right, and those are the older ones you.

734
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Yeah, right, So I feel.

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Like sexually assaulted.

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Then I feel like we could almost even separate the

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young adults from the children, because this was a hit

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at the children and they said black boys. They were

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referring to children in the suspects letters. So maybe the

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young adults could be that seven or so that was

741
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referred back to local jurisdictions. That's what I'd have to

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know is which seven were referred back and not clumped

743
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onto or not known by Wayne Williams. And is that

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seven the young adults? Is that children?

745
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Girls?

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Boys?

747
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You know?

748
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What is that seven?

749
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I don't know, But I think part of why Wayne

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Wynne was linked is because I think he's.

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Gay, well gay. And then Harriet was stating that he

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also ran kind of this. He did what we would

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refer to as our podcast today. But way back then

754
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in the nineteen seventies and eighties, he was doing interviews

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with things like Bob Bob Rayne and other people.

756
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Write Harriet, Yeah, was doing a lot, and he was

757
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trying to get together some groups to be the new

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Jackson five. So he had a lot of excitement going

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on with the local kids. So right, so, and and

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then there's the involvement with Disney. If you go back

761
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to the seventies, you have Rodney Uh, Ronnie Allen Rippy,

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you know, the cute kid that was the Burger King

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commercial kid. Then you have what's his name who was

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at different strokes. There was a lot of push.

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To get Manuel Manuel, what's his name?

766
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Manuel?

767
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Oh, that too, But you know, there was a push

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to find adorable and that was Lewis was one of them. Yeah,

769
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Garry Coleman too. So there was there was a push

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to find these these talented kids. And you know, you

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got to put it into perspective. That's Atlanta right there,

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and they want to you know, I mean, there's a

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lot of talented kids there. So so then this horrible

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sets of murders happen and they're they're going after the escapegoat,

775
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right though. Anyway, yeah, all right.

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I'm gonna try to blast through this. It looks like

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we've got maybe a minute or so here. So it

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says parents cite reasons for civil rights violations. Parents cite

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a number of reasons why they believe their children's civil

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rights have been violated. The following comments described their major concerns.

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Patrick baltzs are Miss Sheila belts Are questions the motivation

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of the task force which directed her son Patrick to

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another department when he called for help, she is further perplexed.

784
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And his name was officially on task force lists, and

785
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he gave his name and reported that he was being followed.

786
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This telephone call is part of the public record, which

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was aired on local television. So now we have a

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victim who ends up dead, who attempts to call in

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and says he believes he's being followed. So how and

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the task force being made up by the FBI. I

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think this is why they're suggesting there's some type of

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a cover up or something going on. So this kid

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is calling in to state that he is being followed

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and that he feels at his license danger. They sluff

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him off onto another department, and then ultimately he ends

796
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up dead. Like that's kind of disgusting. Joseph Jojo Bell,

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Miss Doris Public, go ahead, red it, oh, Joseph Jojo Bell.

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Miss Doris Bell believes that Wayne Williams did in fact

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kill her son and wonders why he cannot or will

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not be brought to trial for it. Basing her conclusion

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on testimony by sibling. She thinks that if the victims

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were white, Wayne Williams would be brought to trial for

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all victims connected to his pattern and tried for each.

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Alfred Evans, miss Lewis Evans, questions the handling of her

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son's case during the period he was missing, the Atlanta

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police would held her from her the fact that her

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own son had been found by them and buried by

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them without her knowledge. Wow. Miss Evans, who had reported

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her son missing fourteen months prior to this announcement, does

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not understand why law enforcement officials felt the need to

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deny her the opportunity to identify her son. That is

812
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absolutely mind blowing. Found her son burier Son did not

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say a word to her, absolutely insane. Well, I think

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that I'm gonna have to stop here. I really had

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hoped that I would have made it through this letter

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and onto the next one. But as we know, nothing

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ever goes as quick as I assume it will. So

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is there anything that either of you would like to

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add Wayne Williams new trial for Wayne Williams, Well, I

820
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reopened these cases. He was never actually convicted of these,

821
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So reopen these cases.

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Yes, if there's a trial, and just be on the

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two people. He may have killed the two adults, So

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I think there's right reopening investigations to the children.

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Right he was. He was found dumping those two adult bodies,

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and now I don't know that that means he killed him.

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He could have just been dumping them, but he was

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caught doing that. So in that sense, I don't think

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he should be retried for those particular two murders unless

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there's evidence that comes about that he can point a

831
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finger to somebody else who did the killings and he

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just disposed of the body. But as far as these

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are concerned, these cases need to be reopened and I

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want everybody to have a wonderful weekend. We will catch

835
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you next Friday. Thank you all for being here, Take

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care and thank you Nolan and Harriet.

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Bye bye h