5 New Letters and Leona Roberts Murder

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True Seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit the

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Road Jack Finding the Zodiac. Last
week we covered a nine to eleven special,

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which meant we kind of sped up
the process and went into two thousand

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and one with some correspondence by the
Zodiac. And that was obviously a little

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bit out of order and might have
been a little tough to take down because

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we hadn't baby stepped you from one
solve to the next up to that point

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and how it got there we did. I did learn a little bit about

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what she is using or what she
means. Harriett Suchet is working with what

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she calls the stenographic code. If
anybody is familiar with a court recorder or

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anybody who takes shorthand by their little
typewriters that actually enter characters for words,

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and then of course they build up
two, three, four characters will indicate

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maybe a four syllable word. This
is basically what she's talking about. And

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it kind of just finally dawned on
me. It's not really so much an

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acronym that she's breaking down, but
a stenographic code. And I was told

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not too long ago by somebody that
the zodiac had their own alphabet. At

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first, I didn't really kind of
I thought an alphabets an alphabet eight eight

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through Z. Right. Well,
I guess what he's actually meaning is possibly

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that stenographic version of an alphabet,
and that's particular characters relate to particular things.

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And now I'm kind of starting to
understand how it is that she breaks

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these these solves apart. When she
sees these repeating stenographic codes, she knows

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to immediately pull them out and then
work with or deal with what is left

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over to trying to solve that message. So today we're going to have Nolan

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del Campo and Terry Batcher back with
us. Today. I'd like to welcome

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them to the show. You how
are you doing? Good? Great and

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exciting stuff? Today I spent pretty
much all day yesterday working on the four

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new letters, and of course it
yielded some extremely interesting information which I think

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is going to help to baby step
everybody into through these messages. I just

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wanted to take a step back and
look at the compilation that the FBI has

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of the known zodiac correspondence or suspected
Zodiac correspondence, because today we're going to

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talk about four letters that are not
included in this list. But one of

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the things that I wanted to bring
about was, again, I just keep

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gitting on this portion of this four
twenty four seventy eight letter where they say

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they obtained a DNA sample but it
was not an authentic Zodiac letter. I'm

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going to surmise that the only way
they could have made that opinion is that

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based on the other DNA samples that
were pulled from letters, it was not

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consistent with that. So they then
ruled that out based on DNA. But

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we've already heard evidence that Jack used
a spit can that contained multiple people spit

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in order to actually seal his envelopes. We do know that, based on

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Stephen Dewhurst's book, that the FBI
indicated that Jack's letter actually came back with

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two different DNA samples underneath the envelope
clip, which would actually kind of coincide

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with Dennis's statement that Jack used a
spit can with other people's spit in it

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to seal his letters. That sounds
absolutely disgusting. I don't know if I

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want to be fingering around inside of
somebody's spit, but I get if you

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know that DNA is a possibility for
them to find because he is in the

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know, then you would be doing
whatever it took protect that. As I

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said, the next four communications are
not in this correspondence, but I also

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hopped over to the handwritten note b
the bus bomb that we just spoke about

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last week. It indicated there was
no the location of the envelope was unknown.

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Now the interest that this drew to
me is because this list had to

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have been compiled by nineteen ninety one, since the FBI discontinued their case on

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the Zodiac in nineteen ninety one,
So by that time, this letter was

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in that file, and they are
stating that the location of the envelope is

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unknown, So as early as nineteen
ninety one, the FBI doesn't know where

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this envelope is However, Tom Voyd
has a high resolution black and white scan

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of it on his website, and
I thought, fancy that, how does

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he how does he have this envelope
when it's unknown or it's whereabouts as unknown

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as early as nineteen ninety one,
and I think or I thought Tom Boyd

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put his side up somewhere around ninety
six ninety eight. Do you know Terry

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it was, I mean it was
later in the nineties, I did.

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I followed him that closely. But
he's definitely their darling, isn't he.

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He is. And when I looked
into the back in the way back Machine

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and I kind of pilfered his website
as old one from AOL. I was

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really trying to get the original instances
once I came onto the scene. Well,

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actually, I think once Dennis recognized
that Jack was we started to see

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anything from two thousand and one and
before start to go missing from the internet,

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so we couldn't get these images anymore. But to the same token,

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it just means well, and I've
stated before I believe that Tom Voight's father

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worked for La Times, which is
one of the major players in this particular

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game. Yeah, yeah, so
it kind of is running in tandem with

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the newspapers being involved with whatever is
going on, and now he is the

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holder of all information, whether it
be newsreels, police reports, crime scene

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photos. He is the hold off
for this stuff anyways, in control of

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all things. Absolutely, I'm gonna
go ahead and throw up the presentation at

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this point and start with the first
letter, which I know that Terry B.

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You have talked about this one several
times. I just want to make

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note I do not know who put
these letters up in around here. This

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was not my work. My intention
was obviously, but I thought it was

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good because they're pulling letters from different
areas that are showing a consistency within the

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actual communication itself, and I think
that was an attempt to prove that,

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yes, in fact, it was
a Zodiac communication. This was a letter

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that was mailed out of Fairfield to
San Francisco Chronicle. It kind of made

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me feel like we're seeing the babysitteps
of the Zodiac leave the Bay area.

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So we're starting to see letters that
are coming up further and further away from

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the Bay Area as he's moving towards
the South Lake Tahoe area. Right now,

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Zodiac didn't start the Zodiac speaking letters
till August of sixty nine. And

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this is right capital ki n G
at the end of speak. Well and

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wait, that's actually still technically a
lowercase K, but it is speaking.

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And I know that this one is
in December seventh of nineteen sixty nine.

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It's a turn myself in letter.
We all recognize the turn myself in.

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We saw it in the Black Dahlia, he said, turning in. We

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will see it in future crimes where
he claims he will turn himself in.

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He also says, okay, we
see okay a lot in a lot of

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these particular communications and ciphers. So
it the message itself is states, this

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is the Zodiac speaking. I just
need help. I will kill again,

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so expect it. Anytime now.
There will be a cop then I will

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turn myself in. Okay. Interesting
statement, But we also had this code

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down here, and I took my
I took a chance at trying to play

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with codes again, the Fairfield letter
dcode. If I used orange checks period

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nineteen solve, I ended up with
something that almost started to come out like

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the iron iron ib dt w AGI. So of course I'm not coming out

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with a clear message. There's also
a new symbol that's being used inside of

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this communication, and it is technically
new to both the hardened solve and the

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period nineteen solve. These particular greater
than less than signs up here, we

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did see those in the period nineteen
solve, but we did not see them

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in the hardens four oh eight.
So one of the things that did come

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about when I actually pulled this solve
together, as we found the word death

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by using period nineteen, and we
found the word die by using the Sergeant

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Lynch key code and the hardened solve. That to me was extremely interesting.

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These could be the keys to breaking
these particular messages. Though I'm not that

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astute in cipher, so I can
substitute a symbol for a letter, but

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it starts out hr just like the
three forty cipher right exactly. And so

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they try, I'm assuming they're trying
to state that this is not of fent,

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or that this is a copycat,
But I don't find that if it

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was a copycat, they likely would
have used exactly the same code. You

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know, if it was somebody just
trying to imitate the zodiac, they would

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have had to gone with what they
knew. I don't think that they would

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have inserted or brought in new symbols
that had not been seen before. What

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do you think the capital K also
is in the plain text and above for

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the A and death that he's accentuating
that it's a capital K right. Well,

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and this is almost similar to the
zodiac that's spelled in the the AI

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K instead of I AK that we
saw in the four weight or the three

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forty, whichever that one was in
I'm the last document. It also had

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zo and then dac you know,
separated yes, yes, and so we

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have two but these letters did not
equate two Z or two oh either way.

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We saw the use of not only
a lowercase I, but a capital

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I. And we know that there
was many manipulations in the black Dahlia,

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the dear sorry or sorry Mary letter
with the manipulation of lowercase and capital case

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eyes in places they didn't belong.
So again that's leading me right back to

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zodiac type one oh one stuff.
So I'm suggesting that this is not a

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copycat, that this is actually an
evolving message, in which case he decided

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to use or step up the game
by using new symbols in order to maybe

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not have this solved by the people
who weren't supposed to solve it either way.

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Death and I run tandem. So
I started to look at some of

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the attributes that are in the actual
stopping and starting of the circles, and

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we've done this before, So I
brought this up because it looks like the

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circles are definitely consistent, if not
identical, between the fair Field letters.

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They're clocking out down here, that
are the actual fair Field letters at the

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bottom. They are clocking out between
one approximately I'm sorry, midnight. So

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we see the entrance and the closing
of my mouse is not wanting to work

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this morning. The opening and closing
of the actual circle is right there at

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the twelve o'clock hour, all the
way over to the two o'clock hour in

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this particular zodiac symbol. So when
I went back and I looked, we

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can clearly see that it approximately one
to one thirty is where the opening and

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closing was occurring with the zodiac letters, with a deviation of two o'clock in

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one of the sun's symbols and a
deviation of eleven o'clock in the actuals another

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sun symbol. We see again up
here that opening and closing. Now we

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take a look at Jacks and what
we find is is we either have him

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at dead cettern top boop right there, and then of course as we go

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over we find more at the one
thirty. Here we find that deviation back

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at eleven o'clock hour. Again a
deviation back at the eleven o'clock hour.

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So it looks like not only are
their deviations similar, but their standard or

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their natural use of starting and stopping
is similar as well. I've never seen

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that one on the lower right hand
corner beforeward to find that which one that

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one that came in with the bleeding
knife. That's a that's a fair field

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that's a fair field letter we're going
to cover here today. So these three

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all came from the two fairfield letters
that are not acknowledged on the zodiac list

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from the FBI. Cool. So
I took it one step further and I

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started to look for more clues to
see if we could actually show or support

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that this was coming from the same
individual. This is the first time we

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actually see a zip code used,
and we know that there's a big push

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during this timeframe to start using zip
codes in order to direct the mail in

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the in the correct direction. So
this might have thrown people off, thinking,

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wow, we've got a zip code
now, when the Zodiac never even

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so much as used as zip code, let alone a full address. But

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I started to see things like five
in mission. Let's go back to black

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Dahlia, five in hills five plus
yeah, yes, yeah, the plus

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and sign down here he used fifth
including the thh and a hyphen, which

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we know Jack and the Zodiac are
huge on hyphens and mission. So we

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are seeing even a consistency between the
way these authors are writing with the other

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crimes I've already told you I believe
are involved. I took that one step

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further, and I thought, let's
take a look at these number fives and

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see what's going on. We have
a very long top overhead consistent with both.

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We have a very long backside of
the down stroke of the number five

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before it turns into the bull at
the bottom, and we have very tiny

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little bulls. Now, we do
have an exaggerated exit stroke here, but

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as I tell everybody, your exit
and your entrance can be as different from

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one execution to the next. We
want to look at the main structure and

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see how that works. So I
went ahead and I put down a slant

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bar over the top of the overhang
of the five, and we found that

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that slant copy and pasted to the
black dahlio it was identical. I put

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a slant bar down to see where
the bull ends and how much of the

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overhang actually hangs out of the number
five past the bowl itself, and we

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can see that those are both consistent. In fact, they're even hitting almost

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to that left hand area of the
corner of the top of the number five,

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leaving a significant amount of the five
itself hanging over. I also placed

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one on the backside of the down
stroke of the number five that's there and

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green, and we can see that
once I copy and pasted the bar from

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one to the next, we had
an identical slant. And we also have

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this little angularity that occurs right here
as he turns back to make the bottom

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bowl of the five. So these
are all consistencies. It would tell me

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that this number five is high likely, highly likely to have been written by

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the same exact author. Otherwise I
feel like we would have seen some significant

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differences, right, I see it. I like that. Ah, you'll

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see that h elsewhere. Oh,
yes, five plus hill. That's the

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Ramsey No. Two. I'll have
that type of room. I used to

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call it wind being. Oh,
I have to call it senigraphic. It's

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an interesting Yeah, yeah, I
know that the THH down here. This

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is very similar with the nineteen eighty
six Sacramental letter, which was not shown

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to the public until much later,
or at least probably until Dennis had gotten

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his hands on it and started producing
it on the internet, and so that

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is likely why they had already concluded
that that nineteen eighty six letter claiming plus

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or minus one hundred victims was consistent
with the zodiac. It almost just like

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he said five plus h two on
that lower left hand document instead of you

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know, when you underline that,
you know he likes that plus science.

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He's got the five plus h.
Is he playing a little game there with

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his coding? I don't know,
you, I don't know. I think

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he was just trying to write that
five and mission in a different manner.

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This comes from the Halloween card much
later. I'm gonna assume THH. But

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when you look at the top,
it's five plus mission. So man,

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no, five plus h mission wouldn't
make any sense. So all right,

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we did have and I wanted everybody
to note that obviously businesses are using the

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zip code at this particular time frame, and we will see the letters coming

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up here next where the zip code
is included on the return business mail.

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I wanted to show everybody how this
dropdown of the nine four one O nine

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is an identification factor. The way
you fill out a check or the way

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you fill out an envelope can identify
you as well, especially if it's consistent

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with your known samples. Most people, like myself will write the zip code

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after the state in line, just
like it's done in this business note here.

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Other people will actually, like Jack, drop down that zip code to

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beneath the city and the state.
And this is something I've notated in this

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presentation or in the handwriting examination.
We can see that in some cases it's

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just barely at the last letter of
the city and then underneath the state itself.

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So when I started to look at
this, we have again the dropdown

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is underneath the city. This one
here below the second envelope in regards to

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these letters, shows that the zip
code is literally listed almost underneath the last

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letter of San Francisco and underneath the
word California. So that is directly consistent,

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and we see that drop down of
that ZIP code in other communications such

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as the DV Cooper case and also
in the Groucho Marks Christmas card purportedly sent

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by the Zodiac in I want to
say nineteen nine. It was supposedly mailed,

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but was not found until a number
of years, eight ten years afterwards.

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Lots of jts too, compound,
single assembly, Lots lots of jts

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everywhere everywhere you find enough we have
that elongation that tells us look at point.

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It's a pointer. Basically, stare
at me. Anything that is a

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pop out letter in handwriting and graphology
is considered a pop out for the reason

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that it stands out above everything else. Sure it sounds like go ahead,

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sorry where well? Oh trance like
san trance and if you went phonically terrence

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right right exactly, I mean pathetically
speaking. So here is one of the

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here's the second letter that they did
not or they do not show on that

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list of known Zo Dact letters.
It is a day by day forecast for

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cancer and it is actually for November, which I found was interesting because I

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have attributed these particular communications to DBI
Cooper and this is my belief is the

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foretelling of the crime that is about
to come. The messages are, Yeah,

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these messages are being sent farther and
farther away from the Bay Area.

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Just like I said, we're moving
from Fairfield. Now we're in Sacramento,

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and we can see how we're making
our way out of the Bay Area.

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We know that Jack is eventually here, very shortly, going to be moving

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to that new life in Paradise,
as Orange Checks Solve stated, And there's

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a hotel in South Lake Tahoe named
Paradise, and his daughter works in South

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Lake Tahoe, in fact, at
the Sahara Casino where Donna last, one

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of the next victims, goes missing. So this is sent on December tenth.

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Go ahead, sent December tenth,
nineteen sixty nine to the Sacbe.

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It's a November day by day forecast
for cancer mailed from Sacramento, California to

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the Sackbe newspaper using a sack Be
prepaid business envelope and cutouts. So he

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basically just used their mail to mail
back to them this particular little taunt.

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Oh, come on, all right, So the taunt actually is it states

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and there are cutouts that are on
top of this day by day forecasts.

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In these cutouts again are black Dahlia. There's Zodiac like using cutouts is one

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of the methodologies that are employed in
the act of making these communications, and

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it says action guide to me that
kind of raised my little feelers about dB

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Cooper because we had action in that
particular crime and letters to a paratroop income

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club. It says want Zodiac bird
is hidden is actually dropped down beneath,

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but it almost looks like is either
saying the bird is hidden fly south or

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the bird is fly south and the
hidden watch. I'm not really quite sure

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which way, but we know it's
always a word game. We did,

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yes, yeah, I haven't gotten
to that one yet. So basically in

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the word fly, we see that
the letter L is completely sideways and up

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in the air, which is again
a standout, and that brings us back

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to the letter l's that we've been
seeing in the communications, just randomly popping

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up and galling sharp and black dah
youa. We also see the watch,

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which is the time reference and the
Elizabeth shortened all the others that are related

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to a watch. We see flight
five five five, which is upside down

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like the cutouts that are found in
the Donna last card Peek through the Pines,

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where it said upside down around in
the snow was actually inverted upside down

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and pasted onto the actual post postcard. Let's see, I got more things

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I can add to what you got
on that page their ideas. But no,

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absolutely well, a five five five
integrated circuit came out about that time.

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It was a big deal at the
time. It was a timing circuit,

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was okay, But does that does
that timing circuit have a titanium?

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I wonder if they're in they're grand
scheme with things that you know, flight

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five five five and that timing circle. If there's a relationship there a magic

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amulet, what do you make of
that? What do you think of that?

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I think that's well. I think
when we talk about some of the

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other things that we're talking about,
including like on the Deer draft Board letter,

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you know, where he talks about
the Mendela and the godlike presence and

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all of that stuff, like he's
running this theme through and I'm not sure

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what to make of the magic amulet
just yet. But I did notate that

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that is some type of a connection
to the same type of language that was

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being used in deer draft board something
the next fill right an amulet, I

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would think, so, yeah,
so flight flight five five five upside down

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to me, that's three fives,
right, And in gambling, that's a

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full that could be a full house. Three fives could be a winning hand.

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I actually attributed it to flight three
oh five of DD Cooper because we

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know the word playing, the word
games, right, so we know the

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word game that the Zodiac liked to
play. So flight five five five or

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three fives or three oh five would
be three oh five. So it was

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just an an idea I ran went
after looking at these letters and knowing that

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the Zodiac wrote the dB Cooper stuff. The FBI claims that Zodiac fores hold

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of his crimes. If that's correct, this could be for telling of the

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dB Cooper case to come in November
twenty first, nineteen seventy one, with

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flight three oh five which was hijacked
from Washington that flew south to Reno,

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Nevada. And the reason why I
say that is because it is a forecast,

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and the forecast is for November,
and dB Cooper occurred in November of

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nineteen seventy one, so here he
maybe I got goosebumps guys seems to finish

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his home modus operanda right right.
So the next one was also a day

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by day forecast for Leo. So
that message that we that I ciphered,

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oh gosh, I think it was
maybe two weeks ago or last week where

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it indicated that called Libra. So
we've got somebody who's acting to Zodiac.

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We've got a message coming out of
the newspapers that's saying called Libra. And

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now we have forecast day by Dave
forecasts Leo and Cancer, which led me

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to what is Zodiac is a group
and there are twelve players, possibly with

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a thirteenth being that Imperial Wizard or
whoever it might be. At the higher

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end, the magic Amulet could play
into the Imperial Wizard, I would think,

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I think it makes sense, rights, I think you've made sense of

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all of that absolutely. So on
December, the day following is when this

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day by day forecast comes out.
It's mailed to San Francisco newspaper printing company.

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It's the November day by day forecast
for Leo and it was mailed from

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San Francisco, California, again in
a prepaid business envelope using cutouts just like

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we see in these cases. Now, I flipped this one sideways to try

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and kind of get an idea of
what this thing had to say. We

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can see that several of these particular
cutouts are completely washed out. Based on

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the copy. What I can see
is this D E C decembers. So

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if he's using this d EC overlapping
it also looked to me like there was

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an M E here, so it
could be members And I don't know why

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this garbage would be placed on the
top of it. However, if it

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makes more sense to say, December's
lucky, right, he's mailing these in

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December. The D being overlapped by
this E shows that it looks like an

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L. Again, it makes it
look like an L. I had to

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come to a conclusion, well after
notating this is an L, that this

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was actually a D. We get
to see the words. Okay, so

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I have a illegible cutout which is
two plus words possibly containing the letters M,

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E and the symbols for L and
then the embers. Is where I

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then came back and I needed I
need to go back and add that DC

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to this December's lucky illegible two words
again and the word mystery. Mystery is

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something that is again a running emo. We see the word time and then

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the at illegible cutout hidden a thrilling
phenomenon. See Harry Ought. I don't

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know if you know who Harry Ought
is, either of you. I did

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pull up some information on somebody named
Harry Ott. And the way the sea

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is separate and actually cut out again, that's a standout. So it says,

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see, Harry Ott can be written
or Chariot can be written is what

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he wanted written, as he wanted
us to know. But Harry Ott was

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a German diplomat with the United Nations
and later a politician. The clue possibly

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to Bush involvement with Germany and Greed. I'm just throwing my ideas here.

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Nineteen eighty six letter from Zodiac uses
the word mystery, and so does the

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I forty five killer, and Tim
Miller's Letter and a murder was dubbed the

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Corvette Concept's Mystery. And then we
had Later Midnight Mystery as a greeting card

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that was sent to Robert Graysmith in
the two thousands, And I'm starting to

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clump him in now, I thought
he was just a greedy journalist that you

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know, went rogue making a book
and tell him lies to make some money.

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But he might be part of this
whole, entire group of individuals if

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the Zodiac is choosing him to pursue
only right to just like tom Boy.

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You do know that a lot of
famous people in history relied on astrology to

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make their decisions, right, Well, yeah, Farmer's Almanac, Yeah,

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Ronald Reagan did, Hitler did a
lot of people did that? Then call

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that strata they didn't make They made
their decisions based on astrology. Well,

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we also found the words train hang
ups, which is a railway theme.

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We see the upside down Christian cross
that equates to the Zodiac's victim thirteen card.

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We see it in the Tim Miller
letter. And then we see illegible

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cut out again and warring love emotions. We see the words dangerous ride now

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and then flight three of a kind. So now we're back to that gambling

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thought, right, And so that's
why three of a kind. If I

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was three of a kind, that's
three of what's the kind? Five?

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Three H five dB Cooper hijacking,
Right, it's run I got goose bumps.

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Again, guys, the brain's chemical
reaction for being correct. So I

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also pulled up one of the pieces
of the Tim Miller letter from the I

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forty five in Texas murders, and
I saw another version of these random cutouts

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fasted all over the actual letter itself, which is very consistent with what we

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see having happen here. In fact, on this particular one, we see

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the word railway. On this one
we see the word train. Let's see,

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you could look for my clues.
Photo photos is something that Harriet is

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decoding in her solves that there are
individuals who have photos of these crimes,

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and that these photos are being passed
around to the powers that be who are

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looking to have that proof. I'm
assuming that that person was dead. So

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I just pulled these outside by side
just to kind of shows that. Yeahs

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surer. There's applications that some of
the murders were filmed, and that the

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films were sold on the black market
to rich weirdos. Right, I think

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that's a good idea, that makes
sense. There's evidence of that too,

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right, Oh yeah, I mean
all of her, all of them.

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Harriet's decodes from the seventies on start
talking about photographs. He's saying, you

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could look for my clues a photo. You know. There there's evidence here.

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It could be the watching, it
could be the train, you know.

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But here I put side by side
just to kind of show you the

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pop out. I think my mouse
is dying. Oh no. So we

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see the l's up here at the
top, and then we see the watch

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and time, we see hidden and
Hidden, we see Mystery, and then

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Corvette Concepts Fiasco Mystery from forty five. We see train, we see railway,

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we see upside down crosses. All
of these themes are running in tandem.

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This one shocked me, Terry,
look at this. This is the

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dB Cooper, one of the dB
Cooper envelopes that's written in November, on

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November twenty two of nineteen seventy one, using this odd construction, which I

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really kind of attributed that to the
symbol on the Halloween card. But when

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I saw that E on this cutout, I went, holly crud, we're

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dealing with absolutely the same person.
Yep, Gigantic gigantic, JT combo JTS

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single gigantic and look at the end
jumping out the look at the gigantic W

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and the way the p's look at
the way there standing, Yeah, and

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talk about an enunciation? How many
times ways to enunciate, you know,

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right, the little tiny oh and
reno. Yeah, I'm sure that there's

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a I'm sure there's a message in
that envelope alone, because we've seen Harriet

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use all of the information on that
and turn it into a message. And

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it has the proper stamp too.
I mean, that's a zodiac Eisenhower stamp

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all day long. Eisenhower is the
first first president to accept what was it

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00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:20.200
Doug co from the family, the
annual prayer breakfast leader and runner who works

407
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:23.720
with all the heads of every single
country, whether they are vicious criminals and

408
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:29.799
violent offenders who are killing their own
kind or not, putting together prayer breakfast

409
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:34.720
for these people to come together.
So Eisenhower was the first person mentioned in

410
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:43.880
that docuseries on Netflix that was involved
with yeah, with combining the church with

411
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:47.759
state. Cool. Keep your friends
closer, your enemies closer, right,

412
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:53.599
So yeah, that's interesting. That's
cool. Now. So I went a

413
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:58.279
little bit further into some of the
dB Cooper stuff because I wasn't really sure

414
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.400
if this by him locking all of
this and we are to add the m

415
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:07.599
e to the members over here,
members lucky. We just saw a lot

416
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:12.039
of rhetoric that was coming out of
the Zodiac in regards to the dB Cooper

417
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:20.400
case where membership became a very huge
part of the entire persona of this letter

418
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.079
writer. And of course these letters
again are also written in December, so

419
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:27.400
it takes us back to December's lucky, right, he's gotten away with this

420
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:31.280
crime. And we know that in
the dB Cooper caper, with many of

421
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:37.559
the communications he reversed the dB to
say b D as if he was calling

422
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:40.840
himself out as being responsible for Black
DAYA. You know, you know that

423
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.360
he cannot make a document without being
cryptic, you know, structurally cryptic.

424
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:51.320
Last one. Oh yeah, he's
been capable of He's look at the IP

425
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:58.599
at the end of membership and then
look at secretary as three sections. I

426
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:04.519
started actually, I started actually going
back into and delving into the whole remote

427
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.639
viewing that was introduced on the movie
Suspect Zero. It was a program the

428
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:15.119
military ran out of Usamrid back East, and the idea that there was an

429
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:21.039
FBI agent who could remote view other
killers, not only kill them, but

430
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.760
tell on them, and that might
be we might be looking at this as

431
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:29.400
though the Zodiac is taking claim or
credit for some of these murders, when

432
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:35.039
actually he is literally telling on that
particular person he killed that was responsible for

433
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:39.440
those murders. And I think that
that's kind of the way that Harriet's solves

434
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:44.880
are starting to look that he is
narking out other people and he handled the

435
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:47.679
business. That person's now dead.
I took care of it kind of things.

436
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:52.920
So a very interesting concept. But
I think if anybody hasn't seen the

437
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:57.719
movie Suspect Zero, go get it
and get it with the additions the editors

438
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.960
cut because they actually have interview used
but from the man in the military that

439
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:05.119
ran this program, and how precise
that they can be with it. And

440
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:07.599
if you watch that movie, you
cannot get an hour into it without having

441
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:12.320
two pages of notes that are consistent
with Jack Terrence, you know, and

442
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:20.400
actually have a number of movies that
are. It's called Suspect Zero, and

443
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:25.280
notably the head FBI agent in that
particular movie, he is also the head

444
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:32.559
of the under the clandestine operation of
Blacklist, Harold Harold oh what's his name,

445
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:38.320
Harold Cooper? So Harold Cooper running
the Blacklist, who talks about all

446
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:44.800
of these huge mob related corporate espionage. That their job is to find the

447
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:50.239
blast blacklisters, the people who can't
be found that are underground. He runs

448
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:54.519
the whole division of the Clandestine and
they live in the post office, the

449
00:36:54.920 --> 00:37:00.920
building that they use they call the
post Office, but be basically the premise

450
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:06.840
is this individual who was in Suspect
zero privy to this type of operation that

451
00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:10.280
might be going on. They then
used in the Blacklist series, which I

452
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.280
find phenomenal. I can't get enough
of that stuff. I watch it over

453
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:19.960
and over again. Cool, I
like a good movie. Said right now.

454
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.000
We did have the murder on December
eleventh, same day that one of

455
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:27.639
the forecasts went out of Leona Roberts. Again, I thought that this could

456
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:31.480
possibly have been related to Philip Hughes. She was sixteen years old. She

457
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:35.960
was living in Napa with her parents, but she was visiting her boyfriend in

458
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:39.360
Rodeo. She was found at Billina's
Lagoon near Point Reyes on December twenty eighth,

459
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.079
nineteen sixty nine, which meant that
she might have been capped for some

460
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:47.599
time. She was bound with small
cylindrical nylon strands like Sutura fishing line that

461
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.400
is not in the realm of the
ZODIAPP. We're used to hearing clothesline,

462
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:55.400
white cord, different things. She
was found nude, she had no marks

463
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:59.800
on her body. It stated.
If I'm to believe the information, she

464
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.400
died from a virus something about an
opening an old surgery scar that they then

465
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.000
got infected and allowed her to basically
become septic and die from it. It

466
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:13.039
does not sound like something the Zodiac
would be involved with, but I have

467
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.280
it in here anyways, because we
do have one victim listed on the murder

468
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:21.840
map that Sandy Betts received that is
in Rodeo. I did not find any

469
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.000
other victims, and this would possibly
make her the eighth victim if she was

470
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:30.440
in fact a victim. Any connectivity
at the money, I don't know.

471
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:36.880
Again, there's so limited, honestly
speaking, so limited. It does list

472
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.239
that her mother was Eileen Roberts from
nap By. Her father was Glenn Roberts

473
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.440
of Balleo. She had a brother
named Clyde Roberts. So if I if

474
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:47.239
I and a sister, miss missus
Verne Patterson, if I went back in

475
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:52.639
and tried to research them, I'd
probably find little to nothing since internet wasn't

476
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:55.840
around back in those days, and
they're they're they're really considered nobody's in the

477
00:38:57.039 --> 00:38:59.840
in the world of the internet,
So there might not be much, but

478
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.360
I could, I could try.
It does say this would coincide with the

479
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:07.000
letter from the Zodiac being mailed out
of San Francisco, though except for the

480
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:12.800
fact, yeah, if he had
kidnapped her on the way from Rodeo and

481
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.679
then mailed the letter out of San
Francisco on the same day. Otherwise we've

482
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:20.679
got we've got some varying degrees.
And I do believe, like I said,

483
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:22.960
that Jack is back up more towards
South Lake Tahoe at this point,

484
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:30.119
so he is still traveling back to
San Francisco. Why do you bring up

485
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:37.679
this particular murder, I mean,
what l It's just ansolved murder, and

486
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.760
and it's heavily talked about in the
Zodiac world about a possible being a possible

487
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:45.639
victim. But we know that there's
some people like Philip Hughes that is actively

488
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:49.360
out there working on victims at this
point in time as well, so there

489
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:53.880
are other people this could be attributed
to. There is a few pieces of

490
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:59.800
or a few articles out there.
It does state that Leona was a college

491
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.199
student and going to her twenty one
year old boyfriend's house to cook food,

492
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:07.239
where it appears she may have been
abducted. Witnesses had seen one person at

493
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:12.119
least by the car, possibly two
people that were involved in the abduction,

494
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:17.039
and again she was held for quite
some time. That could lend to a

495
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.159
she is a Zodiac victim if we're
looking at it from a group perspective,

496
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.239
and somebody else held her and Jack
died the abduction, or Jack did the

497
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:28.360
dumping, or Jack just did the
writing. I don't know. When you

498
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.880
throw the whole group idea out there, it just kind of lends to so

499
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:37.800
much more. Here is that bleeding
knife of zodiac, which also contains that

500
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:43.719
JT structure that compound against denographic code
if you want, let's call it that

501
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:49.760
rather than a monogram. Right,
Yeah. If you could use one character

502
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:54.440
to say JT, the letter F
would be it. This particular letter was

503
00:40:55.039 --> 00:41:01.599
what's that when you're done? This
letter was mailed December sixteenth, nineteen sixty

504
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:05.440
nine. It's called the Bleeding Knife
letter. It was mailed to the San

505
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.400
Francisco Examiner, and it was mailed
again from Fairfield. It says I will

506
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:14.280
go for government life. Oh,
hold on, this is the Zodiac speaking.

507
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:16.760
I just want to tell you this
state is in trouble. I will

508
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.239
go for the government life, So
don't forget me. I will kill more

509
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.679
people than you can count, you
cops can count, so look for more

510
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:30.639
blood. You better print. So. It also has a small little code

511
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:32.840
in there or cipher in there,
and it says you will not catch me.

512
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.159
I will kill in San Francisco three
times, San Jose one, Valeo

513
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:42.119
six. It looks like he tried
to trade places, but Napa eight,

514
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:46.000
Sacramento nine, Fairfield three, Oakland
eight. And then he finishes it off

515
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:52.519
with hahahaw and exclamation following each of
the haws. So there's that fun statement

516
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:54.840
we got again. But it does
say I will go for government life,

517
00:41:54.840 --> 00:42:00.960
and perhaps Harriet such solves the Zodiac
ciphers are exactly what Jack is asking for

518
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.320
more work, and that he works
for government. So don't forget me,

519
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:08.440
because he won't be here in California
anymore, and you better print code in

520
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:13.039
the middle to be cyphered. Now, if he's leaving to South Lake Tahoe,

521
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.440
it doesn't mean he doesn't have to
be in California anymore. But if

522
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:16.840
he's leaving the Bay Area to go
to South Lake Tahoe, it could be

523
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:22.199
a very good reason as to why
he's leaving and won't be here in what

524
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:27.920
they know as the Bay Area.
The bleeding knife by knife is a symbolism

525
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:31.159
of the Halloween card in zodiac,
and he estimates another thirty eight victims or

526
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.719
the theme that seems to revolve around
a thirty eight, which we will see

527
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:38.559
in an upcoming letter as well.
I do need to do a research on

528
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:42.400
how many victims we have up to
this point, or at least from this

529
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:46.000
letter until he actually caps out and
claims these thirty eight people, and see

530
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:51.480
if we've got enough victims in that
time frame. The takeaway I want to

531
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:57.239
point too is a heartnel shepherd attack
and the fact that they survived as long

532
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.400
as they did so they corroborate each
other's has DEMONI and that was a debut

533
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:06.000
of the zodiac symbol and everything,
and that that those The blood on that

534
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:08.400
knife is not real deep. A
proportion of the knife is kind of google.

535
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:14.599
It also looks like it's a type. I don't know that I can

536
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.000
so much make a relation to how
much blood is on a hand drawn knife

537
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:22.800
versus what hes pulp marks. He
showed also on that like their little stab

538
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:27.320
wound, small ones like see how
small they are. I do those to

539
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.239
be blood drops? They have dots
in the center. Man, I just

540
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:36.400
I just skipped across the skill,
you know what I mean. That's well,

541
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:38.239
okay, I still have a few
bit more that we need to get

542
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:43.719
into. But those circles or those
blood dots with the dots in the center

543
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.079
are extremely similar to the gall and
Sharp murder, the letter that was found

544
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:51.920
there. They had the blood drops
or the dripping and the shapes of those

545
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:55.159
particular things. But somebody had indicated
that the circle with the dot in the

546
00:43:55.239 --> 00:44:01.599
center is an indication for the eyeball
in CIA terms or in spy terms.

547
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:07.119
So seeing these circles with the the
I dot in the center is almost as

548
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:14.599
if we have eyes on you.
Okay, this cipher may indicate a quadrant

549
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.440
type scenario as you've discussed, Terry, because we see not only the zodiac

550
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:23.079
symbol, but four zodiac symbols around
that particular thing. I've got about five

551
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:25.400
minutes. I'm going to see how
much of this I can get through real

552
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.239
quick. Similar to a cupless type
of symbol too right right, so it

553
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:37.000
could be indicating either a he's all
over the world or Zodiac speak. They're

554
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:42.840
an upper left hand corner that's undoubtly
a large Yes, absolutely, that's when

555
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.000
we start seeing those pop out ks, So it may indicate the quadrant type.

556
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:50.440
As you'd stated, you believe the
three forty was designed. The four

557
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:52.760
zodiac symbols could mean that he is
at all four corners of the world as

558
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.000
well, or the Zodiac group is
at all four corners of the world.

559
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:00.440
We do have foreign murders that are
mixed up in this, but I don't

560
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.760
necessarily attribute them to Jack, not
because I don't believe he has adequate ability

561
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.360
to get there to do them because
I think he does, just because I

562
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:12.440
have no proof obviously, other than
like Jack and Jill written on the wall

563
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:16.280
or something like that. I did
try to decode this both using the Sergeant

564
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:21.360
Lynch keycode and the Orangeacks period nineteen. I did not really come up with

565
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.960
anything. I'm gonna again leave this
to two cats or to Harriet. The

566
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:30.639
zodiac symbol in itself represents the letter
D in the hardened solve and the letter

567
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:34.280
A in the orange chack solve.
So if anybody can do anything with that,

568
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.079
y'all, let me know. The
T and the K are the largest

569
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:42.159
of all the symbols in there,
although the zodiac one's quite large, right.

570
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.039
This is the actual envelope that contains
the bleeding knife, the circles with

571
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:52.639
the dots, which to me represented
blood dots. Again, it's kind of

572
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:58.280
subjective. I mean, that's that's
us in our view, right, right.

573
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:02.920
So we see these circles with dots
in them all over the communications,

574
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:07.159
and that brings us and I want
to really get through this because this is

575
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:12.480
an extremely interest one. But the
Dear Melvin letter received December twentieth of nineteen

576
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.199
sixty nine, says, Dear Melvin, now everybody needs to remember Melvin Belli

577
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:21.960
and Fflee Bailey are the biggest crime
attorneys that exist, right, And he's

578
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:24.199
asked for them to appear on a
radio station because he wants to talk to

579
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:29.000
them. Albeit the person who called
in was not the Zodiac. He says,

580
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:30.880
Dear Melvin, this is the Zodiac
speaking. I wish you a happy

581
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:35.159
Christmas. The one thing I ask
of you is this, please help me.

582
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.599
I cannot reach out for help because
of this thing in me won't let

583
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:42.199
me. I am finding it extremely
difficult to hold it in check. I

584
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:46.360
am afraid I will lose control again
and take my ninth and possibly tenth victim.

585
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:52.000
Please help me. I am drowning
at the moment. The children are

586
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.480
safe from the bomb because it is
so massive to dig it in and the

587
00:46:54.519 --> 00:47:00.039
trigger MEC requires much work to get
it adjusted just right. But if I

588
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:04.320
hold back too long from number nine, I will lose all control of myself

589
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.280
and set the bomb up. Please
help me. I cannot remain in control

590
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:13.320
for much longer. This letter came
with a piece of Paul Stein's shirt.

591
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:17.119
We did. I did start to
see airmail being used by the government,

592
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:21.800
so I kind of poked that one
out and showed you that the piece of

593
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:25.920
the shirt from Stein was listed right
here, both in the known letter list

594
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:31.320
and in another airmail on twelve twenty
nine to sixty nine. The address construction

595
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:36.280
is missing the comma between the city
and state, which is unusual because we

596
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.960
typically see that being used. The
suicide letter was supposedly by drowning, and

597
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.079
the killer states he couldn't help himself. That's the red lipstick killer all day

598
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:52.440
long. Please help me right,
please help me and I cannot help myself.

599
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.639
Is the words written by the Lipstick
Killer during his crimes, I will

600
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:59.119
lose control. As another statement from
the Lipstick Killings, here we see the

601
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.280
Zodiac misspell a word and then spell
it correctly. Further down the letter,

602
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:06.559
which we do see Jack doing some
of these same things, and we already

603
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:12.159
covered the airmail. This is kind
of crowding and expanding of words too,

604
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.880
right, So basically this is a
list of some of the items that I

605
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:20.519
took away from it when I was
making a comparison in regards to spelling errors

606
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:22.639
and things. But I'm now starting
to look at those spelling errors differently,

607
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.599
and that is because of the solve
by Gosh. I got a minute,

608
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.679
you guys, I want to get
this code out real quick from and we'll

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come back and we'll visit it more
solidly next week. But Lawrence Wearingham came

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up with if you annagraham the word
dear Melvin, it's real rearrangeing it.

611
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If you if you anagram dear Melvin. You come up with Ira Veldman or

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Ira Feldman aka Ira Ike Feldman,
who worked in the Ciam k Ultra as

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a handler with George White, and
so his solve was that it is it

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is intentionally sent to Feldman, not
to Melvin Belli, and that if you

615
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double anagram dear Melvin, it says
dare read my eleven even letter Margins.

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And when you do this, you're
taking the first and last letter or word

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from each line on the even level, which is something that the FBI talked

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about. But he came up with, am not safe from iicult and the

619
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trigger if control cannot help me at
this again because wish much work this Christmas.

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We this is all we've got time
for. I wish we had made

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it to this today, you guys
next week. I can't wait to do

622
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this. Is there anything either of
you'd like to add? Like super quick

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in less than two seconds. I
know we're going to come back to this

624
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solve next week. Everybody, have
a wonderful weekend and we will see you

625
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next Friday. Thank you, you
guys, thank you, but hell hell

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love I feel and fell in love