Aug. 4, 2023

340 Cipher with Harriette Sucher

340 Cipher with Harriette Sucher

After seeing some of the solves cross connecting in context, we will hear a completely different version of the message Harriette Sucher believes this serial killer was intending on delivering. She has worked out the map over the code which supports...

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After seeing some of the solves cross connecting in context, we will hear a completely different version of the message Harriette Sucher believes this serial killer was intending on delivering. She has worked out the map over the code which supports the radian theory and literally maps out the murder sites for all the attacks, and then moves into grill cipher mode which she believes is how the killer used the coded cipher.

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this information on the zodiac and Jack
out. I'd like to welcome onto the

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show today, Harriet Suche Im.
I tried to get better lighting, but

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that's okay, that's okay. Nobody's
concerned about the lightning at this point.

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They want to hear what they want
to hear what you have to say.

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And of course we're gonna be here. I'm not wearing the scarf today.

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It's yeah, that's okay too.
Whatever, okay, let's just say we're

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going to get yes, stay focused, We're read to get onto the three

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forty Girls. Cipher saulve By,
Harriet Such. We also have Nolan del

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Campo with us again today. Good
morning, Nolan, loving the tie dye

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again. You know it's going into
the weekend time. All right, So

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I left off obviously last week with
the period nineteen Saul from Orange Check,

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and we're going to step back into
that in a little bit. But I

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just wanted to mention a couple of
YouTube and LinkedIn messages that had come in,

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this one by mister X. He
must have taken it down. I've

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seen this happen a few times where
they send me a message and then I

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can't find it when I go to
YouTube to actually address it. But I

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do have the email, so I'm
going to read it off. He said.

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Please let me make another comment.
If the Zodiac created an alphabet,

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it could throw off throw AI off, especially if others were involved. I

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don't think writing will provide a solution. I wouldn't be surprised if there were

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a few alphabets. Usually writing experts
go after matches. I don't know that

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this guy understands what a document examiner
does. We don't go after matches.

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We look at a handwriting sample,
and we determine what the characteristics are by

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mapping out their memory movements and to
determine how they write. Then we take

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that information and we compare that to
an unknown sample of handwriting to determine if

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those characteristics exist in there, and
they can be matches and they can be

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dissimilaries. So as far as his
statement that we usually go after matches,

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that is completely untrue. It's almost
impossibly. He says, when you create

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an alphabet, because it's an alphabet. I don't really understand what he means

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by that. A person still writes
the way the brain writes. I'm skeptical

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when there's a big match with writing
my final prediction. The last name of

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the killer has the name of one
of the animals in the zodiac, like

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towards the and he left that section
blank as if he's indicating that the word

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bowl, because that's the only thing
when you think towards the bowl, towards

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the I just think it's bullshit.
Well, I was injus. I thought

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it was coincidental that he said,
like Taurus, because we know one of

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the symbols in the my name is
Cipher is a Taurus symbol, and Taurus

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is actually really close to Terrence,
isn't it. I said, going he

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was genius for picking that animal out, because I do think that there's some

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heavy relation or linked to this,
and we're going to be talking about the

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My name is Cipher. Somewhere down
the line, he said, somewhere in

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the name is something like Taurus.
The question mark. His symbol is really

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an ag l a money talisman.
Does anybody know what that is? No,

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okay, I'm gonna have to do
some research on it, he says.

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The cross symbol comes from the ag
l a talisman. Now, Vincent

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Holgwyn had sent me a message on
LinkedIn saying the Zodiac killer mailed out twenty

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six letters. Now, I don't
know this to be true. I think

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there's a lot more than twenty six. I don't know which twenty six he's

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referring to, but as a set, he says, they are upon about

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something called the A one Z twenty
six code, which assigns a number to

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every letter based on alphabetical order A
one, B two all the way to

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Z twenty six. In other words, twenty six letters in the mail equals

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twenty six letters in the alphabet.
Let's talk now. I thought that was

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interesting because if it was a simple
numerical transposition, then we would have solved

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all of these ages ago. So
I really told him, you know,

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explain your stuff to me. I
think he's left these messages. I do

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need to get back to it,
but I don't really see how a simple

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substitution of numbers for letters was going
to solve this, considering we were dealing

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with symbols, not just letters,
right yeah. Sometimes the symbols sometimes their

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letters is sometimes they're backwards letters,
which again is a symbol like don't That's

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where love update comes in, where
he's saying that the backwards peak can be

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a nine and so on, and
then it goes into so many tier systems,

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right yeah, and he and he
broke his down into three sections,

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just like orange Chack did. I
found that extremely interesting and in the first

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section he was able to come up
with a solve. In the second section

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he said it was gibberish. And
then the last section was the last two

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lines identical with what I think Orange
Chack has a hold of his stuff.

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And I think this is how orange
Chack came up with it because Orange Chack

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alluded to well, I'm sorry on
the episodisode of The Hunt for the Zodiac,

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which is a docuseries, they absolutely
used one of Lauren swearing him's fines

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to see if they couldn't find the
body of Dawnad's last So obviously they have

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latched onto his work, and in
some areas we see the last week,

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there's what I'm seeing too, And
I have the book well that the work

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with the words actually match up between
some of the words that Lauren Chack found

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and some of the words that swearing
Him found. You know, I think

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that we're going to give his system. I do too, I absolutely do

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too, and then taking credit for
it themselves. Now, I also got

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a reach out from Moonlight, who
had indicated she was very interested in talking

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to Sandy Betts because of this picture
right here on the screen of this white

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vehicle that Sandy said would park on
the corner and Stalker. And then I

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realized when I was looking at I
was like, holy cred I think that

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kind of looks like a car that
Jack had. And when I went back

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to the picture, as I'm trying
to put it together, we see that

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thin silver bumper that goes just beneath
the headlights. There's two round headlights,

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and we see this dip down in
the hood right here after the second headlight

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inward, and that's exactly what we
were looking at over here in this picture.

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So I'm going to do some more
work see if I can identify this

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car. We do have a license
plate here. Talk with Sandy see if

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we can get some better images and
maybe make out what that license plate is.

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But we definitely have a look alike
in cars here. That's a possibility

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that she was literally being stalked by
the Zodiac. We'll see. I think

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that this is a little pre Zodiac
era this picture. I'm going to also

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have to figure out if I can
date this picture and see when this picture

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was and in relation to whether or
not Jack would have had that their car.

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Anyways, as we got back into
Orangeack stuff, we saw in the

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first section that after he did the
period nineteen, which was starting with the

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left top corner of the cipher and
then working over to down one, over

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to down one, we could see
the he was coming up with these letters

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and this message, and this is
indeed the first third of the messages,

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and he obviously puts out the version
that the period nineteen came up with,

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so you can see that this differs
from the beginning of the three forty cipher.

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That brings me into the second half
of it. Just like we were

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talking about, we're swearing him wasn't
able to make anything but gibberish as well,

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even though orange Jack actually came up
with four words. Inside of here,

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we can see there are others he
hasn't highlighted at this point. But

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we could also see that it's really
unmaking any sense to a certain degree.

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And when he actually puts the third
sect or the second section up, he

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puts it up in a normal fashion, so it is following the actual characters

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that are found in the three forty
as they are on paper, which that

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didn't make any sense to me because
I thought that should have been period nineteen

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two, right, I mean,
that should have looked different after he compiled

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those, but it doesn't. So
if he's running it from left right,

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that means that he's changed from period
nineteen in the first section to the strict

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meaning of the cipher in the second. So I'm a little confused. But

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we did see that that was also
off. By the time we hit that

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second section, he was skipping over
three and down. It was no longer

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the over two down one as we
talked about last week. Now, the

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changing that the letters to what they
believe it is because it's not yielding a

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message based on the period nine nineteen
system is nothing short of what swearing him

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did. He went at it phonically, so we can see that so hen

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that makes no sense. But we
see that now he's changed that to sow

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her because he now and of course
that then on let's see here that then

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turns into so her because he now
have enough slaves to worve for me,

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where everyone else has nothing when they
reach paradise. So they are afraid of

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death. I am not afraid because
I the now that my new And that

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takes us to the last section,
which is the last two lines. The

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third portion was treated in a left
to right manner, not like the period

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nineteen, and it actually yielded when
if I follow the number system down here

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makes absolutely no sense, and it
does not follow the period nineteen thing,

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even after the interruption of going three
over instead of just two over. But

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applying his solve or his i'm sorry, his substitution a letter to the symbol,

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it does actually yield a message,
he says, because I am not.

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So they are afraid of death.
I am not afraid because I know

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that my new life is. So
he's starting life is actually begins that third

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section at the two and the bottom, and then you can see after he

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decodes it based on his symbol letter
solve, it actually spells a lot of

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words backwards is life forwards as will
be his backwards, and is backwards easy?

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Is forward? One is backwards.
So you kind of get what I'm

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saying here. But what he came
up with, life will be an easy

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one in paradise death. It's very
interesting that so many different simple uh uh

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types of Oh, I can't even
think of the word, what would you

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call it? Period? Helped me
out? There's so many well, like

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the first part the first section being
period nineteen, the second section not following

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period nineteen in the third section,
like he used so many different what's that?

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Oh? Yes, methodologies, Yes, he's used so many different methodologies

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for making that solve. Is it
truly a period nineteen? Because now it

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starts to sound to me like it's
a combination of different methodologies. Great.

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What I thought was interesting is that
he says, now my new life is

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life will be an easy one in
paradise death. And Harriet and I know

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because we've been to South Lake Tahoe
to check out one of her solves,

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that there was a Paradise Hotel in
South Lake Tahoe. Correct. Oh,

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I think she frowze up. Oh
no, anyways, we visited some Tahoe.

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Yeah, she's probably gonna try and
correct that there was a Paradise hotel

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spelled exactly the same same way PA
R A d I c E in South

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Lake Tahoe, where we know the
next victim goes missing, which is Donna

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Lass. So I wanted to show
you guys some of the I wanted to

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wrap a timeline around this so you
could see what was going on. But

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the three forty follows the article by
her San Francisco examine are telling Zodiac to

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go get a new life, and
then let's consider the message my new life

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will be an easy one in Paradise, as solved by Orange Check on July

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thirty feet of nineteen sixty nine.
The four weight cipher first mentions reborn in

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Paradise, which is the first reference
to Paradise ever and reborn I could simply

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mean that he moved there, wouldn't
you think? Perhaps I used to Yeah,

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yeah, it could. It could. I'm just saying as a theory.

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On October twenty one, in nineteen
sixty nine, these San Francisco Examiner

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says, go get a new life. On October twenty second in nineteen sixty

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nine, the Jim Dumbar Show,
the caller from Napa State Hospital occurs,

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and of course somebody is trying to
take credit to maintain or make it look

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like that that the zodiac is still
in the Bay Area. On November eighth

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of nineteen sixty nine, the three
forty cipher Orange Check It, Saul says,

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my new life is life will be
an easy one in Paradise, so

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I knowed it by at least Christmas
and winter of nineteen seventy. We have

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pictures of Jack in South Lake Tahoe
with his daughter Lana, who worked at

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the Sahara Casino, which is where
Donald last was last seen before she went

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missing. And on September sixth,
nineteen seventy, Donna Lass actually goes missing

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on sorry I skipped the July twenty
sixth, nineteen seventy, Button's letter says

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that he has thirteen slaves waiting for
me in Paradise, which could indicate he

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has those slaves waiting for him in
South Lake Tahoe. September sixth of nineteen

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seventy, Dona lass actually goes missing. October fifth of nineteen seventy, we

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have the thirteenth victim card, so
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on October twenty seventh, nineteen seventy, the Halloween card comes in claiming fourteen

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mentions Paradise again and it is never
mentioned again afterwards. So it makes me

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believe, almost to the reference of
He's going to be reborn in Paradise,

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that he is new. Life in
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slaves waiting for him in Paradise,
and then Paradise is the cross symbol on

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the back of the card, which
includes the words by gun, by rope,

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by knife, by fire, and
then on March twenty second night,

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what's that Paradise can also be a
double or triple on Tandra, So I

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think he also does have a meeting
for Paradise as the afterlife, truly the

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afterlife, because yeah, but he
spells Paradise the wrong way. The fact

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that it's spelled the wrong way consistently
in every single in every single one,

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Harriet and I have long since thought
Paradise meant a pair of dice, which

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would make a remotional gambling area,
right in exactly, and I was trying

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to say that before you got cut
off, that you and I both visited

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South Lake Tahoe based on one of
yourselves, and we found the Paradise Motel,

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which back in the day before they
built up around it, you could

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literally see the Sahara Casino from it, correct, and you can see out

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to around exactly that was being built. Right. So on March twenty two,

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nineteen seventy one, we finally see
the twelfth victims sought, which everybody

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assumes is Donna laughs, who went
missing. And Jack goes to San Jose

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for court when this letter is actually
mailed, so he is not in South

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Lake Tahoe. We know that on
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of nineteen seventy one, he has
gone to San Jose, which means he

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could have very well have mailed this
particular letter from where was that pleasant in.

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I think that's where that one came
from on the way to San Jose,

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right, So this could mean that
the Zodiac is answering the San Francisco

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Examiner article to say that he is
in South Lake Tahoe and Jack is already

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making his appearances there at his daughter's
home by Christmas in nineteen seventy. Paradise

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is a hotel in South Lake Tahoe, and Paradise can also allude to and

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I'm sure that in South Lake Tahoe, if they named the hotel Paradise,

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their pun will play on it was
paradise like Gambly. I also took a

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look at the the key code for
We're in Shack Solve, and I found

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that the monogram that I keep insisted
Dean is Jack's monogram because it is the

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sign off as indicated by Orange Jack
and the Hunt for the Zodiac. They

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believed that the last two symbols were
the sign off of the killer. And

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I've always asserted, and Harriet's always
asserted, that this is Jack's monogram,

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which actually makes a J, also
makes the W at the bottom and then

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makes the T at the top.
That symbol coincidentally relates to the letter T.

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I don't find that a coincidence at
all. And when you look at

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these just plainly based off of the
cipher at the end, you see what

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almost appears to be the zodiac symbol, the word zodiac, and then the

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sign off which would be in the
minag monogram plus, and that monogram plus

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in my mind is Jack is the
second. Jack is a junior, so

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it wouldn't be jaw Terrence. It
would be JW Terrence the second or plus.

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So let's see here paradise death.
So he basically came up with I'm

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not afraid because I know that my
new life is life will be an easy

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one in Paradise death. When I
finally got on the air for this particular

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case and started showing everybody what it
is that I had, I had always

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swore once I got a chance to
tell the truth that I was going to

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get a tattoo that was relative to
what I have done or the work and

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effort I put into this, and
this is actually what I ended up doing.

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And I don't know if we can
see this from here, but I

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actually had the sorry i haven't written
in a while, I've washed my pen

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and I can't do a thing with
it, which I thought actually to be

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quite comedic, not related to the
murders or obviously what the nastiness was about

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the zodiac, but that as a
handwriting expert, people really don't write anymore,

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so to me, there's a little
pun there. But I also included

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in the center here the monogram,
which I believe is a very significant symbol

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in all of these codes. I
did actually find. Yes, it's also

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a reference to there was a commercial
campaign back in the day, in the

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late sixties, early seventies shampoo.
I just washed my hair and I can't

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do a thing with it, So
that's I remember that. I did remember

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saying something about the pen. I'm
what I've no understand No, no,

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I haven't said anything open yet.
We're gonna get I know, we're gonna

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get to your stuff right after this
slide and we can go into the pen.

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I did want to say that I
made a statement that we didn't see

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any reach out from the FBI on
Orange Check solve, that it indicated there

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was a solve. I did actually
find an article in which Cameron Poland,

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a spokeswoman for the FBI's San Francisco
office, in an email to the Chronicle,

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does state that this has been solved. Also though that it makes nobody

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has no bearing on the actual case
because it told them nothing other than things

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they already knew, which included no
identification of the individual. And that brings

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us to Harriet. Here you go, girl, this is gonna be your

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forum. I just wanted to show
everybody that we I did find about the

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transposition cipher, which the University of
Babylon. Another form of transposition transposition cipher

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uses grills or physical masks with cutouts
rather than a mathematical algorithm. This can

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produce a highly irregular transposition over the
period specified by the size of the grill,

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but requires the correspondence to keep a
physical key secret. Grills were first

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proposed in fifteen fifty. And that's
what you found the three forty to be

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correct. Yeah, that it was
again back to the hunt for the Zodiet

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show. When I'm launching, they
were saying that they're experts, which would

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include Orange Check. Okay, I
gotta say his name. But anyway,

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we're believing that this was possibly something
like a grill cipher, that it goes

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on top of something or chess board
cipher. So right, so that's where

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I said, well, let's try
it. Let's take this and put it

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on top. And would you use
you use the hyphens, you use the

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period dots, you use the backwards
letters. What did you use from that

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to make the grill? Well,
all I know is I remember and I

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don't have it with me, but
I have the first time of trying this,

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I used all the weird dots and
blobs. See where there's just dots,

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Yes, there's like six or seven
of them, and then there's symbols

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that are like the Z four a
weight that have dots in them, so

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right on top, and it connected
and hit with certain certain code symbols and

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code keys. And then following some
cues and confidence from Warren swearing and say,

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well, you intagramming is going to
play a large role in zodiac cases.

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So I added in it even from
the beginning. And then well I

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got something to the effect of and
it's not in this book. It just

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it's something like my name Jack,
my name is Jack, asked JFK government,

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and the government was abbreviated. So
I was like, oh, I

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gotta I got a message here,
so let's try you know. So then

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I was off and running. But
then I was just at that point seeing

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well, if this works, let's
try this, let's try this, let's

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do certain things. And then I
ended up at some point on the dripping

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pen card and came out with amazing
messages. You know. I was like,

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wow, Okay, I think work
did you use Did you use the

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actual grill on the dripping pen card? I believe I did, so let's

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okay. So basically something that I
have here from the world according to Jack

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Terrence by Harriet Suche, the real
Zodiac Killer Black of Dawi Adventure, Gatop

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a squad member and more. You
had written at the top of here.

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Jack Terrence was living at the Paradise
Motel at that time period. Also if

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the name of Detective herming House SLTPD
well, I tried to send this information

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to his cold case on last but
never got a response. Jack says where

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he put her in East State Line, Nevada, and is the roundabout near

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the Tahoe Justice Court, and that's
where we went to visit. Correct,

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So he's saying from what I got
out of this is that where she was

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initially put there. But I got
some other souls where he moved a buddy,

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so oh yes, and we'll move
on to those when we get to

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to don A. Last, your
initial message had something to do with Barren.

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Can you see what I have up
on here? So you used a

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grill cipher or did you use a
anagram on this message? Inside the poison

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pen. I think it's both.
Let's see, it was, ah,

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okay, so you did the grill
and then you anagramed yeah, because because

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I seemed to definitely work. So
this was Can you read that message to

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us? Oh yeah, you did? Say? Is an anagram? So

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from here I jumped the dripping pen
card and held the Z three forty one

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inside it. There are several messages
starting with the envelope, and it has

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a lot to do with Darling Farren
and Donald last Please rush to editor,

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Please rush to editor, San Francisco
Chronicle, San Francisco, California. Is

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an anagram. And in that anagram, can you read to us what message

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you got from that? It says
Farren used last time card to shoot Robert

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Kennedy in a Catholic hospital. Use
of car and two hundred drops in a

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TENSEC needle is standard operating procedure to
kill the registered news nurse. So he

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was going to use you're saying basically
the same thing she used, yeah to

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get even he's he's under Nixon,
he's this is this is an execute order

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under Nixon. Okay, and let's
and let's say and let's say this,

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So Farren, you say you used
Lass's time card and possibly her uniform to

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impersonate a nurse and go in and
finish off RFK, who had made it

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to the hospital and was still alive
at that point, but then ultimately died

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in the hospital. Yeah, the
story is and you'll read about it everywhere

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and even a documentaries. He survives
the shooting at the Ambassador Hotel. He

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makes and he's even talking. Is
everybody okay? You know? So then

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he goes to the hospital, to
the Samaritan Hospital. He survives the emergency

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surgery, but he doesn't survive the
ICU. And then there are shots that

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are different in his head. That's
why mel bell I took the case for

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Sir Hans Surron because the bullets that
happened in his head that they found didn't

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match the bullets. It was obvious
if he was shot in the ICU by

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somebody else. So yeah, so
then you went on, go ahead,

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I think shots might be referred to
a needle shot, right, I think

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he's gonna shoot her twice in a
certain way with the needle. Oh God.

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So it's well, we go into
if we go into an entire we

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go into an entire section of murders
that are listed as suicides by poisoning or

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by drugs. Nimbtall what was the
other one? There was another drug that

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was being used for Eva Blow and
and and some of these victims. It

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was mescaline. Oh yeah, from
Payote Buttons, gotcha, yeah, And

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and then Payote Buttons. There's certain
levels of strychnine in there too, so

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you know, he's just over over
give the overdose. It's gonna come out

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looking to some of the pathologists of
the day as freaknite poisoning. But I

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think now Dorothy Kilgallen it might have
been second all as well as one of

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them there. It's definitely fitting in
with what we see that's going on with

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these suicidings, if you will,
along with some of the some of these

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deaths they declared, like I think
Eva Blow, they declared that she had

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done too much drugs, fell over
in the water, hit her head and

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died. But obviously that was subject
to there were other belongings and are the

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things that were found at the crime
scene which would allude to the fact that

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she was not by herself. Now, another one of the songs that you

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had on the grill cipher was this
one message where can you see what I

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have up here? With the I
John W. Terrence? Can you read

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that? That was amazing? It's
using it as a real cipher and then

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anagram with anyways that says I John
Torrence, Paradise Motel and black GT.

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Last give d F which is Darlene
Farren use of lg H which is Letterman

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General Hospital suit shot rfk Okay,
even it's got the equal sign, so

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that means even September seventh, e
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Why so then I'll make it easier. And now it says in a

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clearer message, it says, I'm
John W. Torrance, living at Paradise

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Motel. I drive a black brand
Torino don o. Last give Darlene Farren

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use of a Letterman General Hospital suit
and she shot Robert F. Kennedy.

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Okay, we'll get even September seven
e State line. Why And that's of

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course in nineteen seventy, so she
went missing on September six, So that

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is as if to or predict as
of November eighth when this letter comes out,

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that he's going to be wait a
minute, so this is afterwards he's

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telling it in hindsight, because this
came out in November eighth, and she

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went missing in September six, so
we'll get even or he has already gotten

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even correct. Yeah, he's pretty
much getting just on the side. We

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know that area well. We walked
around it for like an hour one night.

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Yes we did. No, we
didn't. We didn't actually make the

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roundabout. And what was interesting about
our trip up there that that particular day

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is that when we followed the solve
the ariet found, it led us strictly

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to a roundabout that used to be
used way back in the day, but

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they now diverted the traffic around it
so you don't use it anymore. When

390
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:55.519
we got there, it had two
giant boulders in the center of it and

391
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:59.079
a dead jack rabbit at the base
of it. Me and Harriet just about

392
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.200
fell out, like are you can't
now? And as we stood there at

393
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.519
those rocks, we could visually see
the Sheriff's department or law enforcement office directly

394
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.680
ahead of us, as if they
are there to sit and babysit and watch

395
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.160
those rocks so that they are never
touched. So I often wonder, is

396
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:19.119
that where Papa is in Cement?
Well, that's where he says that he

397
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.640
puts paffa there briefly too. But
do you remember when we were filming,

398
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:29.319
you know, and I'm just trying
to make a kind of a service so

399
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:33.319
we can get past things. And
I said, I know, you know,

400
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.599
Jack, I know you killed Donna
and you're getting even blah blah blah.

401
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.680
And I went to throw flowers that
I just picked off to the side

402
00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.440
unto Donna where Donna Lass is supposed
to be. There was no wind,

403
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:52.400
and those flowers went flying off the
rock, like if it's don't deserve flowers.

404
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:56.880
I was like, we got you, We got you. Another one

405
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:01.319
of the things I'm seeing more about
why he can't stand these people. But

406
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:07.880
anyways, right, another one of
the things that you'd found is that there

407
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.839
was actually almost even a radiant theory
inside of the three forty correct If you

408
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:16.519
used the center dot as the Mount
Diablo base, those radiants would go out

409
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:22.440
and come over the top of the
period dots and the hyphens that are found

410
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:28.519
throughout the message. Yeah, I
was finding something very interesting there, and

411
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:35.279
so I think he said something to
the impactor radiant. Yeah, so it's

412
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:39.400
fitting somebody else's radiant theories. But
I don't know if we're going to be

413
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:45.920
talking about what I got in Dennis
the original book or the centerfer which hasn't

414
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:50.319
come out. We're going to try
to do something anyways. Let's just imagine

415
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:57.319
that this is the satellite looking down. Did you know that where? And

416
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:01.400
I have it in here where Daily
as it is, and where all those

417
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:06.200
people were shot in all the shootings
and so on and so forth. It's

418
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:10.799
almost as if they're planning to make
sure that these people that they're going to

419
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:16.240
get head jobs in certain areas,
and it would match that also, which

420
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:21.039
is in radiance. I was,
well, I don't have a lot of

421
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.559
time to go into Daily Plaza because
we still have several slides for you.

422
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.880
Well, that's what I'm saying,
that that's in the center. And then

423
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.279
it's really strange how it does fit. It's like where these it is,

424
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.559
we're bidding on the radiance for sure. I think what was stated underneath that

425
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:43.000
was the radiant theory. Cartesian plane
sits perfectly on three forty cipher where the

426
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:46.000
dots are located. Once you turn
it upside down, looks just like the

427
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:52.839
version I have on photobucket. And
that was thanks to cats I aka Harriett

428
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.319
Suchet, I did find an article
in regards to this, and this is

429
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:59.480
what this is what amazes me by
all of a sudden, the FBI is

430
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.240
willing to get seed to Orange Check
solved, because it states in this article,

431
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:07.720
photocopies of the new cryptogram were sent
to Washington. The National Security Agency

432
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:14.079
and the Central Intelligent Agency assigned their
top men and their most sophisticated code cracking

433
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:19.239
computers to the latest cipher, but
to date it still remains untranslated. Supposition

434
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.199
is that there was never any message
at all, that the zodiac merely composed

435
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:28.199
a hodgepodge of letters, knowing an
immense effort would be undertaken to unscramble them.

436
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.199
So I think it's hilarious. Fifty
sixty years later, somebody who is

437
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:37.519
not the top in codebreaking, not
the top in the CIA, not the

438
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:43.320
top in Washington or whatever else,
did they say, National Security Agency,

439
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.480
the NSA. Somebody who is not
any of those people has miraculously come to

440
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:54.639
some solve that's now being accepted by
the FBI. Very strange, all right.

441
00:34:54.719 --> 00:35:00.559
That brings us to your Orbits Signifer
book. In regards to the forty,

442
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:07.800
in which case you found that there
was a correlation to the actual greeting

443
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:13.840
card the buy Forget Me Not cards, and I'm not sure. Well,

444
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:16.039
it looks like, well, Lauren
took a shot at the cipher. You,

445
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:20.920
Harriet, had extended your cipher and
skills to the homemade green card and

446
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:23.760
the three forty cipher, and you
came up with some information in regards to

447
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:30.199
the greeting card. Correct, I
believe so. So you were talking about

448
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:36.920
Camelot Kennedy's Cold War romance intrigue and
Forget Me nots. Can you tell us

449
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:43.199
what that was about? Well,
let's see, it's the plays. I'm

450
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:52.960
handy coded. I came up with
something that was very strange as sorry,

451
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:58.440
I haven't which I grant ye if
ye came at midnight, but now I

452
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:05.559
haven't a convenience supplying your wants written
back book of secrets. I'm going to

453
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:12.119
confuse the helen of people right now. But I'm confused. But it's saying.

454
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:20.360
It's saying that that I next was
the odd placed due with parenthesis,

455
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:27.360
and I was just finding something by
mixing two systems together. So that was

456
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:31.760
some poison pens card decoded. That
was just a nerve and older version and

457
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:36.760
it was so basically the juist doubt
of that is John or Jack is giving

458
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.360
and I say Jack, John,
and I used them intermingled because he used

459
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.960
both. Was basically stating that he
was living at the Paradise Motel and then

460
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:50.440
at that time he was driving a
black Grand Torino, and that Donna last

461
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.840
gave Darline Farron the use of her
suit and her time card in order to

462
00:36:54.880 --> 00:37:00.960
get it RFK. So the next
stuff that we were talking about the Camelot

463
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:04.840
Kennedy's Cold War romance intrigue and forget
me not. So everybody can go back,

464
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.719
pull this up, enlarge the screen
and take a read on some of

465
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:14.480
the information that Harriott found in regards
to the actual greeting card itself that she

466
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:19.239
thought was very pertinent to the case
itself. But you did come up with

467
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:23.679
poison pen card decoded. Let's see, Sorry I haven't which I grant you

468
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.760
if you came at midnight? Do
you know which one I'm talking about?

469
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.119
Yeah, that's where it says sorry, I have been, and then I

470
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:40.760
fill in something that says come on
now, yeah, sorry I have and

471
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:46.559
then it just says feeling that I
am ignored in Book of Secrets by forgetting

472
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:52.519
me not cards anyways. Next Lysia
plays do and with parenthesis and do us

473
00:37:52.599 --> 00:38:00.760
odium that's do that basically means one
ninety Christian God and odium by basicly means

474
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:07.079
theological dispute. So Hatred add this
to the symbol zodiac the eye over the

475
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:13.079
pyramid, which is the oh my
god, what's meaning? Well? Zodiac

476
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:17.320
as the capital of Washington, DC, and it's just saying something about I

477
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:27.320
could over theology dispute money God that
rules my judicial council. That next is

478
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:34.920
the discs that July mean godfather,
August means venerable, September is sept is

479
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:42.320
abbreviated for Irish sept And then it's
just something that seemed to flow that he's

480
00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:49.159
saying a lot. And it's true
that Washington DC is designed as the zodiac

481
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.800
is designed by Charles Lunfont. Does
wait until you see the other gcause I

482
00:38:52.880 --> 00:39:00.719
got saying this. He's saying that
there's some somethings going on and they're using

483
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:07.320
this system that's based it's a couple
of hundred years old, and that's how

484
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:12.440
found A lot of people can't use
computers to solve this. They have to

485
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:16.079
do in my hand, trust me, got cha. So, so you

486
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:22.239
were continuing with next up October sequel
seven opto money system using zero to seven

487
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:28.360
and our dollar system uses eight numbers. Yeah, oh my god, the

488
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:31.599
dollar system is at eight numbers.
Hold on a second, man and mixing

489
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.920
let's see, hold on, hold
on? Yeah, using eight numbers?

490
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:45.239
Would that be? It's what you
were just reading. Next was the odd

491
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:51.199
PLACEDO with one parenthesis or gus odium
and that with the symbol of the zodiac

492
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:55.719
the eye over the pyramid plus thing
meaning well Zodiac as the capital Washington,

493
00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:00.199
DC. That's how I came up
with I could over the a dispute money

494
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:07.000
god that rules my judicial counsel.
Next was the dez or Latin French means

495
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:14.280
the July can mean godfather, August. August basically means venerable September. Is

496
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:20.280
I recept Next up October equals seven
octal money system using zero to seven and

497
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:29.400
our dollars system uses eight numbers?
Does that make sense? She froze again.

498
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.800
All right, you also came up
with a message up, I did

499
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.880
loser. Darn it? All right, Well, I'm going to continue on.

500
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.960
She actually did a spin off of
swearing Hams information, and he took

501
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:51.920
she took what he had come up
with the you in fact got nothing and

502
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:57.599
I get annoyed message from more in
swearing Ham, she came up with the

503
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:01.280
end is actually the key. So
the last, the last, the oh

504
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:04.440
I got you. Let me see
if I can figure out what it is

505
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.920
that she meant sorry again, be
back quickly. The end is the key.

506
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:13.079
That key part code angels swering and
came up with but got stuck after

507
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:17.000
finding phonetic Jack Terren's name, claimed
he contacted the FBI and got nowhere with

508
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:22.480
them. Definitely contacted Nanette Barto late
twenty thirteen and then me his interpretation of

509
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:27.480
most of the one through thirteen part
of the three forty differs from mine.

510
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.119
The rest of the three forty was
determined to be an anagram as a collaborative

511
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:36.159
effort of Nanette Bartos Swering and Swaring
in and I because it was found after

512
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:40.760
getting Jack's MK Ultra Digraph Systems system
keys found in the zodiac. My name

513
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.480
is code, so she basically came
up with letters or I'm sorry lines one

514
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:51.360
through thirteen from Lauren swearing hymns.
Here is she came up with you in

515
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:57.239
fact, got nothing, Kennedy annoyed
inside you die the id or caught again?

516
00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:00.199
You say, when the game's once
again soft, I don't understand any

517
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:05.280
of this. I hate you,
don't I hate you? Don't you know

518
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.880
it? Should I go kill you? So you say, no, end

519
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:15.000
of me A w Jack Terrence once
sweaty, nasty, good and tight.

520
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:20.199
My name is zosiac. Uh the
end again. I'm coming up with generation

521
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:22.960
my mind? How about you?
Nolan? Yeah, I have no clue

522
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:29.159
what that means. I don't either. And then of course fourteen through twenty

523
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.280
she she comes up with you catch
what is funny? I am Zodiac?

524
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:37.239
JF. Kennedy, Judy ann Are
saying, don't assume a mad dog is

525
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.159
what you got? What you got
E Hunt Gray is eighty eight data.

526
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.760
Oh I got you. I do
kind of know a little bit about this

527
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:53.360
stuff, but you just would be
Howard Hunt Summer. And also he's a

528
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:59.480
suspect in the JFK assassination. Harry
looks like she's back, so hopefully he

529
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:05.440
can get her to run back on
their Okay, we're talking and then it's

530
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:12.480
coming. So basically we're nice.
We we just covered some of the salve

531
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.400
that you came up with after working
off of what swearing him had come up

532
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:21.800
with. And the the interesting part
we were just talking about the fourteen lines

533
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:27.880
fourteen through twenty where it says mad
dog is what you got, E Hunt,

534
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:32.159
because we know that he refers to
a dog in the Darling and Gall

535
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:43.280
Darling Gall and Sharp letter from the
scientology or Manson family members. And don't

536
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:47.519
assume is another statement that has been
made and E. Howard Hunt was solved

537
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:52.639
in the earlier solves by swearing him
where he indicated that there was involvement with

538
00:43:52.679 --> 00:44:00.360
the CIA and MK Ultra correct.
Yeah, something something like that. I'm

539
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:05.960
just reading this. Oh my god. He's bringing up about Judith's Judith and

540
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:12.920
Baker. She she was very her
name is Judith Judith and Arry and then

541
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.440
married a Baker at this time.
But he's saying that they're saying they're not

542
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.320
crazy. They were they were starting
to do a whole bunch of stuff to

543
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:27.159
people that were involved with trying to
stop killing the Kennedy's and who did kill

544
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.639
the Kennedy's, and you know they
got like what happens to those of us

545
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:36.159
now? We get buried we get
though, they find weird things and they

546
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.199
trying to make it look crazy.
So this is what's happening. And then

547
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:44.840
he's saying, don't assume a mad
dog is what you got. And then

548
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:49.840
Howard Hunt he's I got other decos
where he's working with Howard Hunt, so

549
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:54.360
they're working together, correct, And
then Gray is eighty eight data he's he's

550
00:44:54.360 --> 00:45:01.159
saying something about how the data is
being if I remember correctly, smeared a

551
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:06.360
little bit, so you're not really
seeing the truth. They're trying to create

552
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:08.480
a smoke screen. And then he's
saying, oh, I got you,

553
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:14.000
because he's what is ADA? What
does ADA stand forward? I remember what

554
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.599
that is, but it's we can
try to look up the intagram, but

555
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:22.880
it's a certain type of data that
is designed to I remember, correctly,

556
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:28.840
make it look blurred, that you
don't see everything because they're seeing everything off

557
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:32.320
to the side, but the public
is not. So I remember what the

558
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:37.559
ADA means, but it's it's look
over here and not over here. Yeah,

559
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.559
thing, We'll give you just enough
to go some direction with it,

560
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:44.239
but not the direction we want you
to go in, because we don't want

561
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:51.599
to use that truth. They're they're
controlling a lot of things there. Well,

562
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:53.280
we've got about four minutes left,
so I thought I would pop in

563
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:57.920
here, and I'll probably cover this
next week with Terry as well. But

564
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:04.679
Terry brought up last week in regards
to the three forty cipher that there was

565
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:14.039
a quadrant type method to this particular
cipher. He indicated that flova was found.

566
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:16.599
Now, I'm not sure where the
I guess he's got the FLO.

567
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:21.599
I see an upside down V could
be interpreted as an A, but I'm

568
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.440
not sure how he got flova out
of that if we don't have both the

569
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:29.239
V and the A, unless that
is supposed to represent both of them.

570
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.639
Over here. He believes that this
flova again. But again, this is

571
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:38.440
to me like a greater than symbol
versus A an L. But I guess

572
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:40.719
if you turned your head to the
side, it would look like an L.

573
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.519
So he believes that because you can
actually find flova, and of course

574
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.840
this one's on the border, it's
not really inside the quadrant like I would

575
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.239
have anticipated. But we find it
again here. He keeps saying that it

576
00:46:52.360 --> 00:47:00.599
is the only repetitive symbols that are
found in all four quadrants. Makes him

577
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:04.239
think that you should be taking this
a quadrant at a time. And he

578
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:09.280
also says that based on the positioning, obviously the numbers across seventeen being able

579
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:14.000
to be split right down the center. But then I'm not sure how he

580
00:47:14.119 --> 00:47:16.599
split the twenty down. We're gonna
work. I will talk with him next

581
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:21.440
week about that. But Floba does
seem to come up a lot, does

582
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:29.719
it not? Oh? Yeah,
that was his mom's name, Ainavaina Floba

583
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:34.119
Barnett Terrence, right, And then
of course she went on to marry after

584
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:40.159
Jack's father had passed. But we
did see Jack and yes, and we

585
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.920
did see Jack in the future actually
use Barnett as one of his aliases.

586
00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:51.440
So he is back and forth using
different names to identify himself depending on what

587
00:47:51.480 --> 00:48:00.360
it is that he's doing. Can
I make hunting, Yeah, that's Gray

588
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:07.320
was Assistant Attorney General under Nixon,
and then when Hoover died, he was

589
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:14.159
the acting FBI director. He had
to resign though el Patrick Gray. The

590
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:17.719
Gray referred to in the last line
next to Hunt Hunt Oh when you go

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back design as acting FBI director is
that he admitted destroying documents he found in

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E. Howard Hunt say after war
get Holy that just gave me goose bumps.

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Nolan, Yeah, hunting Gray or
right there? So Gray is ADA,

594
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then that means he's the like administration
dad. Yeah, so he destroyed

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he admitted that's why he had to
resign from the FBI. Did you know

596
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that? That's what your soult came
out to say, Harriet, All I

597
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know is I found some very coincidental
things about the ADA. Could mean so

598
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but of something in the government.
But definitely so he's he's blurring the data

599
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or it's blurring the data or it's
destroying the data. Okay, So you

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did you know that Gray was this
former person that that that Nolan was just

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now talking about. I believe I
did know of the name, but I

602
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was also wondering, does this have
something to do with Robert gray Smith because

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his original he was also Yeah,
he was also doing he was a little

604
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early, right Gray, He's his
original name was Robert gray Smith and then

605
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he was the middle Smith was a
last Yeah. So there's a lot a

606
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lot of players. You you were
thinking Robert gray Smith, and now Nolan

607
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has just put this together and something
that makes all him a lot of sense.

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There before he was acting director of
the FBI. He was Assistant Attorney

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General for the United States from nineteen
seventy to seventy two under Nixon, assistant

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District Attorney Ada. I knew I
had heard this before, the assistant assistant

611
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attorney, right, yeah, but
yeah, that's that's a synonym for AG

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assistant AG because at a county level, it's a DA. On a federal

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and state level, it's a G. But that's what I think, that's

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what it means. Okay, that's
interesting. That is actually match up to

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me. He was in the civil
division and that's the data reference. M

616
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hmm. Okay, see wow,
I never know exactly what I've got.

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I just put it down and I
say, I know this is accurate.

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But here that's the second time he's
bringing up about do your a minute pass.

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You guys got me so excited on
something brand new. We ran over.

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Everybody. Have a wonderful weekend.
You guys are amazing together. I

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just love working with you, Nolan
and Harriet. You guys have a great

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weekend, and I'll talk to we
talk to you, okay, Okay,

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I gotta go, I gotta go. We master my Bye guys,