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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit

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the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac went to
welcome Terry Boucher to this show this morning.

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Never man, that man behind the
curtain, that's me, ma'am.

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Classes He said, you were going
to tell me a Graancho Marx joke.

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Is it clean enough for the air? Well? It was in nineteen fifty

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three. He had a real pretty
woman on the show called You Bet Your

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Life, a game show, and
he asked her how she felt about sex,

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and she said, well, I
like it infrequently. And he paused

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for a moment and he said,
is that one word or two? Well,

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I guess for the nineteen fifties,
that was kind of risque. That

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was a good joke. Well,
we were starting back today. I just

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wanted to cover a little bit by
Oh, good morning, Nolan, how

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are you? Oh morning, how
was your week? Gat? Good?

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We we just got a good joke. I can't suggest what's that say that

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again? He's breaking up. His
voice was breaking up, right, can

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you hear us? Pixelation? I
can hear you? Can you hear it?

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Okay? I can perfect? All
right, we were just getting We

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just finished off with a great joke
from Terry, and we're going to move

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on now at this point to there
to the presentation. I left off last

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week with some information from Moonlight,
and that was the murder of Pat Tan,

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which we do have one listed on
the Sandy Bett's murder map that she

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claims the Zodiac had left behind for
her. It does list Mount Tam and

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it does show one victim. Doesn't
really kind of fit in with what we're

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going to hear here about from Moonlight, but it is consistent with what we

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know the Zodiac had taken credit for. So Moonlight said the victim speaking by

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rope was Pat Tan for twenty seventy, again predating the Halloween card of October

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nineteen seventy, which we're going to
be getting to that anytime now. At

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the Mount hamil Pious. She was
found having to bree in her hair as

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though she was lying on the ground, appearing to be a staged suicide.

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She was found to be hanging by
rope and an electrical cord. According to

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the web sources, there were at
least four other hangings around this time period,

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one of which had all his clothes
removed. She said, yeah,

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who thinks to remove their clothes before
hanging themselves. The Air Force base was

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right, well, I want people
to find me naked. That's like maybe

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you hope you never slip and fall
in the bathtub, right and kill yourself,

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because somebody's gonna have to come in
and take you out naked, like

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it says. The air Force base
was at the top of Mount Tam,

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so we had the military affiliation.
On the other side of Mount Tam was

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the body of Leona Roberts, suspected
eighth victim of the Zodiac Killer. Then

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there was the disappearance of the couple, Stephen Packard and Linda Lovell. One

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of Stephen's travelers checks was cash near
the military naval base at Fort Bragg four

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hours up the road, so again
another military reference. If we think back

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and we look like text ar can
of phantom murders and things like that.

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Those all revolved around a military base. The lower stuff down in southern California

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were all wrapped around the Vandenberg Right, Vandenberg Air Force Base? Is that

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the name of that? Anybody with
me? Joel Freeze? Yes? Oh

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y'all being too still? Can you
like wave in the background something? So

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yes? Everything that we find,
the Zodiac stuff in San Francisco, all

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revolving around the Presidio and Treasure Island
and the VA Hospitals. The Albany,

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New York stuff all around the Albany
Medical Center and VA Center. Everything seems

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to be like concentrated around something military. Then there was the disappearance of another

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couple. It was suspected they fell
over the headlands into the ocean with their

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car left behind. And she says, one falling over but both so yes.

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I mean unless that person was trying
to save the other person and went

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down with them. Well, I
can't think of a better way to go

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than with the person you love.
But these are all very interesting murders or

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homicides to take a look at.
I've not studied anything on the Stephen Packard

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or Linda Level. I don't know
who she's referring to as this other couple

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or these other three hangings that occurred
around Mount tam but on the murder map

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it only lists one, and that
I had kind of thought that we might

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have ruled le A Rope Leona Roberts
out as somebody that was possibly done by

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Philip Hughes I think was his name. So I'm kind of back and forth

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on the fence as to whether or
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Either way, let's move on.
Oh come on now, I'm I'm not

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convinced. But he does say by
rope, so we know we're looking for

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some victims by rope. The other
thing is is that we know that he's

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been tying, hog tying his victims
with rope, so that may be his

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reference to rope not even hanging him. Yeah, you know, I did

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of the rope not necessarily hanging.
I'm tried to go back really quick.

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Oh right, here, here's a
here's a picture we looked at last week

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of Jack's belongings that was in this
military green uh file box with this TopWare

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inside of it. Inside the TopWare
were keys that we located back to Michigan.

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I'm not sure that we made an
identification on the one here to the

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right, but right here in a
baggie, you can see this cord.

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These less than three feet pieces of
cord that were contained inside this container,

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along with ear rings, one of
each ear ring, never a double.

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The knife that Dennis believed was used
in Sherry Joe Bates and the pilot pen

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that we believe was used in the
Zodiac letters. And the tip is missing

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for the knife too, exactly.
It's broken, and it's it's broken and

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bent exactly. So what's that The
cord is like closeline cord? Is that

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correct? More than like rope?
The cord is closedline cord, right,

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some was, some was, and
some was a braided rope. I think

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it all could be used for clotheslines. I know that typically it was a

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plastic right right. Well, His
son wrote His son wrote a letter to

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Stephen Dewhurst when he was writing his
book, and he stated that his dad

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carried pieces of pre cut wrote less
than three feet, nothing that you could

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use to tie something down with,
but he always had it in the trunk

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of his car. As you do, as I do, I don't.

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I mean, as you know,
as a normal person would do right right

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right? Yeah, who who does
that? I don't know what three feet

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sections are good for by any means, all right. So that brings us

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to the one of my favorite cards, and I have been contemplating this one

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being my next new tattoo because I
just love the greeting card and it says

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sorry to hear your ass is a
dragon. It's the Dragon card from April

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twenty eighth, nineteen seventy. He
says, I hope you enjoy yourselves when

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I have my blast. So obviously
he's still alluding to I'm going to be

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blowing something up, and he says, ps on back. So obviously he's

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written a message on the back of
the screening card. And if you guys

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can't see this and you're hearing this
by radio, there's a gold panner on

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a burrow, and we have what
looks like another gold panter on the dragon,

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and so it must obviously be the
gold panner talking to the gold panter

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on the dragon saying sorry to hear
your ass as a dragon. A jack

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ass too, A jackass, No, yes, exactly, jack kind of

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jackass. Nonetheless, one eye what
do you mean a one eyed Jack?

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Well, if you would call that
little prospector guy were sometimes that would call

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those those kind of guys one eyed
Jack. You know that they're take a

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TV movie type of character, a
one eyed Jack. There's a movie called

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one the One Eyed Jack's Yeah gotcha
and that little jackass there. So that's

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why I say all of those type
of cards have a Jack hint more one

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very single one. Yeah, there
isn't. Well, and we know that

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at this particular point in time,
Jack was said to have been He's claimed

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to have been gold panning and then
taking that gold to Nevada and selling it.

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Dennis thinks that what he really was
doing was stealing from people and then

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taking and selling that in Nevada for
money, which I don't know what he

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was doing, but he claimed to
be gold panning, and this card is

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the era that Jack had been claiming
to do that gold panning. So it

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has an interesting message and I'm not
sure where it comes from. Like I

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said, there's a lot of things
that the zodiac talks about, which makes

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absolutely no sense why he's going on
these tangents unless there is some message he's

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attempting to get somewhere because some of
the stuff just doesn't make any sense.

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He says. If you don't want
me to have this blast, you must

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do two things. Tell everyone about
the bus bomb with all the details.

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I would like to see some nice
zodiac buttons wandering about town. Everyone else

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has these buttons like the piece button, black power, Melvin Eats, blubber,

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et cetera. Well, it would
cheer me up considerably if I saw

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a lot of people wearing my button. Please no nasty ones like Melvin's thank

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you. Well, he's keywording those, Matt, he's keywording those. Look

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at his spells buttons one time with
one T and then the next time with

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two t's blubber yeah, yeah,
be in this case, but normally two

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bees and and then there's a little
symbol before black powder there. That's maybe

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one of the things that Harriet was
talking about at one of her saws.

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That symbol. Look at that.
I think it's the P sign if you

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think about what's going on back in
those days, right kind of a yeah,

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yeah, so resembles a peace sign. But look at it looking out

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specifically drawn with the V parsion over
to the right a little bit. You

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know it's all right. It's it's
another cryptogram of some sort, that's for

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sure. Well, he alludes to
just like many of his other mess that

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we've heard so far, he alludes
to fun. He wants to tell everyone.

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He wants everybody to know what he's
up to. He is using hyphenated

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words with no hyphen again, strictly
in line with what we know is the

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Zodiac Killer and Jack's writing. We
have the double letter spell spelling errors,

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as Terry just printed out. We
have the splitting of the words, like

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the word considerably so he wrote the
word consider and then space b l y.

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Again, you said that might be
a clue as to where some message

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might start to end, right,
Well, that's kind of what we're wondering,

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you know. And and Harriet's done
some pretty good work on that,

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I think, right, and that
in that with that regard, she's on

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into that direction looking at things that
way, and that's good, I think,

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because she's Yeah, and he also
had let me see if I can

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find it real quick to see,
zodiac is almost not hyphenated, but look

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at the separation words, right,
and also z O D and then some

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black power blubber and zodiac I AC. I mean he does that breaking of

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the words, also the reduction and
the I n g's. So when we

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follow the messages by the Zodiac,
you will find that the beginning of the

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word is always much larger than what
I call the reducing I n G.

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And that's because it gets smaller and
smaller as it winds down and and closes

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out the word. And that's definitely
consistent with the way Jack writes and with

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the Zodiac communications. He's also making
fun of the car. I'm sorry,

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go ahead, I was gonna say. It does make you wonder if the

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word infrequently is one to one word
or two? Right, he just had

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I'll tell you about that later when
he told a groucho Mark Jok earlier making

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fun of the cops, which we
know is something he loves to do,

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and extorting the public to wear buttons
and tell tell about the bomb that is

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non existent. So he just really
wants to instill more fear, and he

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wants to see that it's being made
on the front page. So again,

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what is this persistency for wanting to
make the front page, wanting people to

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know? Again, I think that
is definitely just an agenda to get his

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message into the paper so that someone
he knows can see what it is that

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he's up to. Now, I
did find that the dragon card was oh

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well, where did I? Okay, maybe I didn't put that. He's

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asserting ownership by doing that. It's
what he's asserting ownership of the documents.

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By doing things like that. He's
saying, this is my document, right

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right? What did you say,
Nolan? You held something up and I

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missed it. It was a picture
of works, oh right right, And

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that's what the joke was about,
was running that. I told him it

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was actually about Groucho Marx. You've
heard that joke, haven't you. Oh

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tell him to go ahead and tell
him again. So I was. He

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had his old show You Bet Your
Life, and he had this really good

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looking galon there, and he finally
after how she felt about sex, and

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she says, well, I like
it infrequently. And he waited a little

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bit and he said, is that
one word or two? Clara? All

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right? So now I wanted to
do a small comparison because again we still

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have this, we still have this
letter from the Zodiac in nineteen seventy eight,

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which they're trying to question or state
that it was not. So we

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see that the FBI says DNA sample
obtained not authentic zodiac letter, which made

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me giggle because when I started to
look at some of the consistencies in comparison

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to this particular greeting are, we
see that the handwriting itself is very,

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very similar, even the way the
zodiac and all of the stuff is spelled.

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Look at the sea right here in
this zodiac, and look at the

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sea in that zodiac. I mean, come on, you guys, it's

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definitely the same person we've got.
Even the we've got the pointed w's,

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we also have the rounded w's.
If you go up here to the fight,

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here's your rounded ones and here's your
your I attempted to make them look

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differently by making them skinny and pointy, and when you come over here you

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find the same thing. So we've
got w's that are pointed and skinny.

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We have rounded w's as well,
so everything is consistent. This is absolutely

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one hundred percent a communicating a communication. One thing the three of us that's

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different you, myself and Harriet.
We have come to realize that that Jack

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Torrence was the guy. Via separate
pathways. I mean, I learned about

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it first from you and from Harriet. But I'm I took a different pathway.

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I'm not a handwrit expert. I'm
not a code breaking expert like Chaz,

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so you know what I'm saying.
So there's three pathways that are supporting

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this idea and showing the evidence.
You know what I'm saying. It's yeah,

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on a serious note, absolutely,
k and Speaking up there, gigantic.

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I've been harping on that lately a
lot. I know I'm running along

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on it. But k and Speaking
is gigantic on this particular and that's from

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seventy eight, so that's two years
after King. Yeah, that's two years

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after King. So again that connection
exactly all right. So I went then

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even one step further and I brought
in the other letter from nineteen seventy eight.

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I also found a section in the
map coupled with this code, which

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is another letter we're going to be
coming up on in comparison too. So

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we look at the way well is
spelled, and we start to see all

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these tall l's that are being used
separately from the communication. And then we

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look over here we see the same
thing, very tall, skinny close l's.

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Everything is consistent as well with this
particular communication, and they cross reference

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with the communication that we're discussing right
now that has been attributed to the to

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the Zodiac Killer. So it's a
little unclear to me as to why they

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ruled these ones not authentic, other
than I think they wanted they wanted to

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stop having to show the public what
the Zodiac was saying because his numbers kept

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going up and they still weren't catching
him. Sure you know what, that's

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un a stute observation that you made. That that's that that gigantic K like

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that is post O C C K
as. We'll get you that eventually.

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That's in a stute observation. I
thank you for that. It's coming in

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six years. Were almost theres Okay, our six years will be like dog

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ears. It'll be like dog ears
will be to it, probably in the

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next couple of months. I also
wanted to point out once again here we

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have a version of the envelope for
that greeting card that's found in the FOYA

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files from the FBI. And then
this is what you would find on Tom

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Voight's map or map his website.
Ah, go back, you can see

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how the condensing of this particular scan
has changed the looks of the letters so

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completely. Then you're saying or copy, no, this is this is Tomo

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voits and this is probably a true
scan. This is what you're going to

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find if anybody wants to research this
case. Now by going through the FBI's

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boy of files, all you're going
to find is distorted and altered versions of

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these letters, which have literally changed
the balance or the shape of these letters

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based on the way they've distorted it. So you're altering the Ramsey murder node

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now for the constantly, yeah,
very much so so. But we also

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have an address construction which we've talked
about through, which is the city with

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the state without a comma that is
used. Sometimes he uses a comma,

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sometimes he doesn't. But again it
falls in line with how we have been

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watching the Zodiac postage things with two
stamps, using the Eisenhower stamp, and

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then of course the way that he
actually addresses the envelope not completely, but

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he knows it's going to get to
where it needs to go to. I

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feel like the Blacklist with them calling
their home base the post office, that

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this is kind of a spin off
of how they're capable of getting communications around

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without doing it properly. Hello,
and you look at that now you wonder

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if both of those weren't tampered with. The more you start looking at him

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carefully though, and then because I
mean, okay, the postage markings look

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normal on the left, but then
yeah, it's both sides exactly, Yes,

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because they've they've shrunk and condensed the
actual scan or the small there is

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there's there's a them. But what
I can say is that this is like

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this is more accepted as a envelope
size, which is seen. I mean,

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obviously the heads aren't condensed on the
stamps, they look normal size.

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You don't see any distortion in the
actual circle here, but when you get

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over here you start to see that
thinned out distortion where things were made like

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they condensed it down vertical and horizontal
access distortion. Yes, yes, so

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that brings us to exactly exactly,
and that changed the entire appearance of the

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handwriting. If somebody was wanted,
wanted to do an examination on that or

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research them this this themselves, it
would literally prevent somebody from making an identification

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because those things are so different.
That brings us to June nineteenth nineteen seventy

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SFPD officer Sergeant Richard p. Raditich
was shot with a thirty eight caliber gun

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at six forty three Waller Street at
five twenty five am. He was shot

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three times with that thirty eight caliber
revolver at point blank range through the drive

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side window of his vehicle while he
was writing a parking ticket, just like

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JD. Tippett in the JFK case
was shot sitting in his parked patrol car.

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JFK and RFK, we have Stuart
Mayor, Paul Stein, Charles Jarman,

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and Lon and behold we're going to
see another individual, another cab driver

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here next that was also shot.
I wanted to read some I want to

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point something out about Jad Tippett.
Technically, he was actually shot in front

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of his car. He jumped out
of his car and then was shot.

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He was Yeah, it was in
front. There's a lot of controversy about

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a lot of disparity about the tip
of case. From what I've been reading,

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it's like it's all over the map. But yeah, he was shot

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outside of the place. But three
times bang bang bang, and then you

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know, shot to kill. I
mean you get into that and there's like

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two Oswald's or one Oswald, and
there's so many rabbit holes in that.

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Yeah, there's there's evidence worked.
Yeah, there's the word. But okay,

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and knew the shot him. That's
why I got the drop on him.

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Tip it, knew it. Tippet
may or may not been involved in

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an overall situation. But there's nobody's
figured out why he was killed. Right,

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Well, he was running around like
a chicken with his head cut off,

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and all of a sudden he got
his head cut off. And oh

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yeah, yeah, he was behaving
strangely that day. And he he is

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the doppelganger for JFK if you will, So if there was a body swap

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to be had, you look at
that man, and he is extremely consistent

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to some degrees. And I think
that there was information that suggests that JFK's

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wife had made a statement after seeing
her husban been on a gurney, saying

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that that it doesn't even look like
my husband. And I'm not meaning that

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because his head was blown off,
but because the body style, the body

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shape, you know, there's a
lot of reason she would know exactly.

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Yeah, that's interesting, too crazy. Anyways, let's read what they have

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to say about this particular shooting.
It says, enclosed herewith for the Bureau

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is one photocopy and one xerox copy
which includes a letter, map and envelope

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of the latest letter received in caption
matter. Also enclosed for Sacramento is one

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xerox copy of same letter. The
enclosures were furnished to San Francisco office on

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six point thirty seventy by Inspector I'm
not sure homicide details, San Francisco Police

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Department. The inspector advised that the
letter and map were enclosed in the envelope,

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which was addressed to the San Francisco
Chronicle, San Francisco, California,

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postmarked San Francisco on June twenty sixth, nineteen seventy. They were furnished to

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the SFPD by the San Francisco Chronicle
for the information of the Bureau and Sacramento.

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SFPD Officer Raditic was shot to death
by an unknown person as he sat

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in his police car Loan on six
nineteen seventy. At this time, the

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murder of this police officer is not
attributed to UNSUB in this case, but

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the unsub is armed and dangerous.
But they made a request of the lab

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the FBI lab is requested to compare
the enclosures with previous submissions attributed to the

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unsub in this matter, and to
attempt to decipher the coded message at the

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end of this letter. And we
are going to go for there. To

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add to that, Yes, the
RATI check comes up in the uh dB

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Cooper case if you check with Bruce
Smith, I forget really it was yeah,

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I mean as he was not some
a victim, but he was someone

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that was like an official huh yeah, like an FBI official errata check just

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as a coincidence. So maybe just
a coincidence. I don't know, But

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that name came up and I had
never heard this is this is rad to

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Titch all right? Yeah, he's
And unfortunately the top for TV or thing

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is logo is over the top of
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not saying this exactly the same name. I'm just saying that rang a bell

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with me. And I've never heard
that, you know, any syllables are

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an that word you know action,
you know. Well, that brings us

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to a murder that occurred one day
before the letter. So we have this

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police officers that shot before the letter. We have this cab driver. Now.

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On June twenty fifth, nineteen seventy, Larry Hargas taxi cab driver downtown

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San Diego. His body was found
in a field near Galapago Street. Car

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was found in downtown San Diego.
This has been some of the running themes

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of some of the victims in the
southern California area, that they are dropped

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and dead in one place and their
vehicle is found miles away somewhere else.

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So the car was found, and
I've mapped it out here to show people

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where it occurred. It's approximately thirteen
miles from where the body was dumped to

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where the car was found. So
he basically got himself back over to the

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military area San Diego, right taking
himself out of whatever this area is and

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back over to where the military base
would be, right, he said it

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was. They said he was shot
in the head once. So again this

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takes us back to some of these
murders that we've already taken a look at.

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I wasn't able to find what caliber
of a gun he was shot with

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to make that confirmation, but I
did put in here that I need to

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research and see if I can come
across anything that would indicate what caliber of

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gun that Hargus was shot with,
and if it was a thirty eight,

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this may be the person we're looking
at. And it coincides with the running

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theme of murdered taxi people. Right, it seems to be nine to milty

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eight or his favorite traces right picture
poll Stargus. To me, just at

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first glance, it looks similar.
Yeah, I know, right, I

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thought the same thing. Yeah,
yeah, first reading the name, I

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thought it was by Yell Okay,
but yeah, it kind of just jumps

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out, doesn't it. Right,
And so then you you have that message

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that comes out, I shot a
man in a parked car with a thirty

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eight. He's getting this message into
the newspaper. So if he is responsible

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for handling another yellow Cat murder,
he's getting the information he needs to the

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mob or whoever else is involved with
that particular crime or set ewnplayed by the

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media at the time, because you
know, they feed the public this story

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about the zodiac. But how come
you never hear about this guy, you

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know what I mean? Yeah,
you have to find him in the midst

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together exactly. Well, I did
find an article on it, so maybe

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I just answered my question on this
so it is interesting to hear some people

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talk about what they believe Zodiac Jack
was capable of pulling off, like the

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article we're going to read here below. But first I want to remind everyone

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that the NBI believed very much so
that the Zodiac predicted his crimes. They're

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very planned and well thought out in
advance, and in many of his communications

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he's talking about what he's going to
do and hasn't done yet. So the

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article that I found said the murder
six nineteen. Let me see so June

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nineteenth, So note that thirty eight. This is back to radaticch The murder

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took place the day before the Button
letter was received at San Francisco Chronicle on

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the twenty sixth June nineteen seventy,
claiming he had shot a man sitting in

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a parked car with a thirty eight. But the location in San Diego in

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the traveling distance back to San Francisco
makes any connection to the Button letter as

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well as the Zodiac Killer unlikely,
they said, but nevertheless provides a significant

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timeline between the murder of Larry Hargas
and the mailing of the Button letter to

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the San Francisco Chronicle. The following
day. Any information regarding either of these

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cases, please contact San Diego Homicide
Detail by visiting their website below. Another

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case predating the Los Angeles letter on
March thirteenth, nineteen seventy one, was

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that of Larry Hargas, the guy
we just talked about, a twenty seven

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year old yellow cab driver murdered on
June twenty fifth, nineteen seventy just over

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eight months after the callis laying of
Paul Stein, gunned down by a single

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shot to his head in Presidio Heights. On October eleventh of nineteen sixt Larry

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Hargas had informed the taxi company dispatcher
of a client asking to be driven to

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the Spring Valley area from downtown San
Diego, California. San Diego is situated

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near the coast in southern California,
about two hour drive south of Los Angeles

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and Riverside County, but only at
thirty minutes drive from the crime scene of

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Nicki Benedict and po Way. And
I believe that Nicki Benedict is likely a

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victim of the Zodiac, the words
to the dispatcher in the early hours of

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the twenty fifth of June. Unfortunately, were the last spoken by taxi driver

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Larry Hargas. His body was later
discovered in a field near Galapago Street.

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He had been shot and his wallet
had been taken. His cab, presumably

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commandeered by the murderers, was later
discovered abandoned in downtown San Diego, approximately

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twenty men's traveling time from the murder
scene. No suspect or suspects have ever

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been identified, and the case remains
unsolved to this day. So, like

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I said, I do believe that
Nicki Benedict is a victim. The next

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communication with the Mount Diablo map letter
was mailed the day after Hargas's crime and

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stated that the Zodiac had shot a
man in a parked car with a thirty

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eight and that brings us to that
communication. This is a suspected Zodiac correspondence.

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It has been confirmed they did find
DNA. They found cells, so

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we know that this is definitely and
what cells are these cells matching other cells?

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Which is their confirming notion. We
know that Jack used other people's spit

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to seal his envelopes, so the
chance of there being additional samples of DNA

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involved in these letters is highly probable. This one was actually postmark June twenty

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sixth, nineteen seventy the Mount Diablo
map and another code which I refer to

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as the Z thirty two. This
particular communication, the map itself said that

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is to be set to mag North. When I did my research for this

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time period in nineteen seventy, mag
North was approximately seventeen degrees north. So

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we were on some type of a
kick at some point in time talking about

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the degrees of longitude and latitude and
where they lined up. And I believe

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00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:14.880
it was Harriet that said the negative
twelve equals seventy eight degrees longitude or Tahoe,

406
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:19.440
and the thirty eight degrees longitude is
San Jose, Santa Clara, Santa

407
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:23.039
Clara area. So she is actually
finding that these some of these notions,

408
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:29.079
so that negative twelve up here actually
would put him at seventy eight degrees longitude

409
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:30.880
or in Tahoe, which is where
we believe Jack is moving to at this

410
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:36.400
point. And then of course the
thirty eight being another reference to San Jose

411
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.319
Santa Clara area, which is where
Jack is leaving and going from. This

412
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.960
letter says this is the zodiac speaking. I have become very upset with the

413
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.680
people of San fran Bay area.
They have not complied with my wishes for

414
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:52.799
them to wear some nice buttons.
I promised to punish them if they did

415
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.920
not comply by annihilating a full school
bus, but now school is out for

416
00:32:55.960 --> 00:33:00.640
the summer, so I punish them
in another way. I shot a man

417
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:06.599
sitting in a parked car with a
thirty eight and he writes Zodiac twelve SFPD

418
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:10.319
zero. So we've always taken the
notion that this was an inclination to how

419
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:15.640
many people he has killed, So
this is him accepting twelve. Though I

420
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.720
think the twelfth victim card was supposed
to be in reference to the missing victim

421
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.359
don Alas, and we haven't gotten
there yet, so he's already announcing twelve

422
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:30.240
before that twelfth Sierra card victim comes
comes out. He says, the map

423
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.359
couple with this code will tell you
where the bomb is set. You have

424
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:36.599
until next fall to dig it up, and he writes a code. So

425
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.440
again this is thirty two letters or
thirty two symbols. He has now added

426
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:45.240
new symbols that he has not used
in any other previous stiphers or codes,

427
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:49.319
so we're seeing something new, which
means he's switching it up a little bit.

428
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.200
Again, you only see that happen
by somebody who is actively the person

429
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.480
that is doing it. If somebody
was to try and copycat, they would

430
00:33:55.559 --> 00:34:00.160
literally try to do it exactly the
same because they want it to be believed

431
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.720
that it is that person. You
wouldn't see offshoots or additions or new things

432
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:07.320
that would confuse people. The goal
behind a forger is to make it appear

433
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:13.280
as though it fits as well as
possible, So adding new symbols would tell

434
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:15.800
me that, yes, this is
another confirmed communication. Now we do have

435
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:21.239
double letters. What's that I was
going to tell you, Groucho Marx line,

436
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.880
I shot a man and in my
pajama, I shot an elephant in

437
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:29.559
my pajamas. How you got in
my pajamas? I'll never know. I

438
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.920
read that line I shot a man, Say he shoot a man that was

439
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.639
hitting in the car that it was
holding on to a thirty eight or you

440
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.280
know that's the point, you know, right well, it says that I

441
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.719
do have the in this letter,
we also have the double letter spelling errors,

442
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:47.400
the spelled incorrect words. He's upset, no one is wearing his buttons,

443
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.679
and he took it out on a
man in a parked car with a

444
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.400
thirty eight. I'm guessing Hargus Rattig, who knows the map with this code,

445
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:58.960
tell you, tells you where the
bomb is, claims that there are

446
00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:02.039
twelve victims, threat of time limit
to dig up the bomb. He sends

447
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:06.239
us the Mount Diablo map, So
we now have our first reference to his

448
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:10.719
almost his radian theory before he actually
instructs us to look at it from a

449
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:15.920
radian version. Instructions to set compass
at magnetic north is on the map,

450
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:21.360
and he numbered the zodiac symbol like
a watch. So the time reference the

451
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.360
black doll, Yeah, Sherry,
Joe Bates and Riverside Phantom and all the

452
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:28.639
others. We can see that he
has referenced this particular zodiac symbol on the

453
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.360
map at zero, three, six, and nine the markers four o'clock.

454
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.559
All right, So that brings me
to a version that Dennis, go ahead,

455
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:44.880
you know that works. Go ahead, go ahead, say yeah that

456
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.440
we know Raditans was killed with a
thirty eight, but we don't know what

457
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.360
type of weapon killed targets. Correct, it was a pistol, but we

458
00:35:52.360 --> 00:36:00.400
don't, right, Yes, I
forgot, So that brings me to One

459
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:04.880
of my biggest conspiracy theories is the
changing and altering of the letters to diminish

460
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.400
or get rid of items of identification
or things actually left behind by the author,

461
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:15.119
which I suggest happens with everybody who
attempts to manipulate their handwriting. They

462
00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.480
will accidentally drop these clues at some
point in time. Now, Dennis came

463
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:22.559
to me with a version of this
particular letter. Right here, we can

464
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.360
see clearly that what they're portraying to
us on Tom Voyd's side and on the

465
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.880
Internet is this nice clean version.
Obviously it looks like it's been through some

466
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:37.119
chemical treating or some chemical testing,
but we don't see anything in regards to

467
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:42.360
this area that looks like there's any
type of issues with it. Everything is

468
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:46.000
clean and clear. Dennis showed me
a version where there were these dot marks

469
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:51.719
that were portrayed, there are what
appears to be these dripping blood marks which

470
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.719
are consistent, and we have this
different letter A that was inside the book.

471
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:57.960
I know this is a little hard
to read here, but I've blown

472
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:01.400
it up on the next one to
compare that to Gray Smith's version in his

473
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:06.760
book. So this is basically what
Dennis had showed me, and we see

474
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.920
that little dot up there, and
how it's dragged down like one of those

475
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:14.519
blood dripping marks that we often see
the Zodiac portray. The heavy period marking

476
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:17.639
is something that we definitely know that
the Zodiac did. I wasn't sure if

477
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.880
this was something that bled through from
the backside that was on the other side

478
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.840
we haven't seen, or if this
was actually dot marks placed in here on

479
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.960
purpose by the Zodiac. But there
was also an additional so there were missing

480
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:34.960
right here, these three streaks that
you can see over here. So this

481
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:38.840
is what's in gray Smith's book.
This is what Dennis had pulled from the

482
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:44.840
Internet previous to two thousand and one. This one to the left is the

483
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:47.280
one Dennis pulled previous to two thousand
and one. This is the one that's

484
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.880
in his book. This one is
in gray Smith's book, So it has

485
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:58.360
all the same attributes that Dennis's has. And yet we have these three streak

486
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:05.400
marks right here or four I could
see them across the slashes. So hold

487
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.320
on. I have two versions of
hold on. I have two versions of

488
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:13.159
the Phillip sixty six letter, which
shows some interesting characteristics no longer found in

489
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.239
the letter that's online or the color
versions that are being purported by Tom Voight.

490
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:21.159
I and Dennis believe it has been
altered. Dennis spoke to Robert gray

491
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.559
Smith, who presented this letter in
his first Zodiac book, which is the

492
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:28.280
version to the right here. Then
in his second book, the item circled

493
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.559
and read went away and there is
no sign of it on the color scan

494
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:37.440
versions of voices that vot portrays.
Smith claimed that it was a printing error.

495
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.480
Now, if it was a printing
error, we would find those printing

496
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:45.960
issues on every single page. If
there is a damage to a drum that

497
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.440
would cause an error to recur in
a printing process, it is going to

498
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.159
have happened on in the same place, because you've got to remember the things

499
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:57.920
rolling or at least in that same
area on every single page that was printed

500
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:01.880
until they had figured out that the
had been damaged. So he claims that

501
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.039
this is this is some type of
a printing error, so that when he

502
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:09.199
went ahead and reintroduced it into his
next book and it was missing. This

503
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.880
is the version that we got in
his book, the one that's being portrayed

504
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.480
by Tom Voyd. Now take a
look at those a's. There's that bell

505
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:21.639
top a. This is my this
is my consideration for it. There was

506
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:23.840
a bell top a in the word
annihilating, and in order to get rid

507
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:28.800
of it, they had to get
yep, they had to clean up everything

508
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:32.800
else about it. Now you can
also see that they've then changed certain elements

509
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:37.679
of the letters. So like this
h rate here that has this heavy overhanging

510
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:42.760
curvature, which is something that has
been consistent with some Yack writings. That's

511
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:50.159
completely gone. Now it has been
shortened and convinced. So I find please

512
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:59.639
this one is Dennis is, this
is tom Boy's right one, go for

513
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:02.480
it. Well, that's simply to
notice that the word not is underlying,

514
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.480
heavily underlined, sitting right over the
word before. I think you're going to

515
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:13.840
eventually see there's a great significance to
that. If you were not modifiers,

516
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:16.639
you were saying where he's made modifiers. Going to explanation of that at another

517
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:21.239
point in time. But that's like
saying not, and technically it's saying not

518
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:24.920
not. It's like saying cancel the
word not or you know your doubles.

519
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:28.639
It's however you want to look at
that, But I'm just saying that that

520
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:30.960
stands out and that's going to be
something that's going to stand out when we

521
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:35.360
get to the Ramsey murder. No, because he really played the not modifiers

522
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:37.559
on that. Well, I had
an it guy. I had an it

523
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.639
guy take a look at this letter, and he said that this letter,

524
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.800
this one, and the Melvin Belli
letter that they had been blown up.

525
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:51.199
So basically they had changed the pixel
with which changed the height and with the

526
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.880
letters, and they increased it to
one thousand percent. So the document is

527
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:58.320
now being presented as an eight and
a half by eleven instead of the five

528
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.760
x seven that it was originally.
Well, and you take and try to

529
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:04.280
print this letter, it will come
out in an eight and a half but

530
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:09.280
by eleven size, which is not
consistent with it. Right. So I

531
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:13.480
took this letter and I actually re
scanned it back into my computer, so

532
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:17.559
I printed it off of Void's website, or I printed it off the version

533
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:22.840
my mentor had given me when he
gave those blown up. And he knew,

534
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.360
he knew that these weren't the right
size of these letters, and he

535
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:29.199
used it, attempting to use it
against me when I wanted to release an

536
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:32.960
opinion as identification. But I took
this letter and I scanned it back into

537
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.920
my computer, and once I did
that, it picked up the image in

538
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:40.679
the way it had been originally formed, and it spit it back out of

539
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:45.880
my printer as a five x seven
that I nearly fell out of my chair.

540
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:51.199
I had goosebumps all over my body. I thought, how that I

541
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.039
didn't even I didn't even know that
it was a five x seven until I

542
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:58.840
spoke with Terrence Pascal. So when
I came home immediately after speaking with Terrence

543
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.119
Pascal, and I don't I think
I was just scanning it back in just

544
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:05.079
to get it into the system and
work off of it, and it populated

545
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:07.880
itself as a five x seven.
I was floored. It confirmed with Terrence

546
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:12.760
Pascal said, there's a lot of
a lot of definition of that one on

547
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.519
Dennis copy too, a lot of
definition right, find the definition. What

548
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:24.840
was that? Knowing it's a smart
computer. So here's another letter that we're

549
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:30.119
going to get later in nineteen seventy
before nineteen seventy four. But here is

550
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:35.559
again those heavy random period dots and
blood dripping dots, which are consistent with

551
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:38.679
what we're seeing going on here.
So yes, he places them randomly for

552
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:45.119
no apparent reason in different communications,
but we see it as a consistent common

553
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:50.760
denominator in these. Look at the
humiliation on Jack's face while he's dancing with

554
00:42:50.800 --> 00:43:05.039
a woman. He's like, evidently
this is jacket. Yeah, yeah,

555
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:10.159
yeah. But now we can see
clearer that letter A that definitely has more

556
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:14.639
shape and form in it. There
seems to be no other, uh,

557
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.440
trash mark or anything else around it. But they chose to clean that up

558
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.599
and turn it into that A that
we saw that was more like this one

559
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:27.000
right here. When you can see
that, there's nothing about this A that

560
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:31.280
looks let me go back here,
there's nothing about this A that looks consistent

561
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:37.239
with this A. It just blows
my mind. And that's what. Yeah,

562
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:39.400
they said, they called it,
and I think they changed it on

563
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:43.719
purpose. I think they changed on
purpose. You're absolutely right. That's good

564
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:46.480
evidence, very good evidence. Now. I brought that up with the two

565
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:51.960
thousand and one of the Winovich letter. Look at the A, the a's

566
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.559
that are being used here in comparison
to that A. Right, I'm like,

567
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:59.800
oh my gosh, you guys,
it's the same person. That's all

568
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:09.280
the is to it. It's funny
because moonlight badly spelled what's that annihilating?

569
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:22.760
Annihilating is badly spelled. Yeah,
yeah, he looked it up. Yeah.

570
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:29.039
Anyways, another another attempt at moonlight
to you know, cram some things

571
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:32.199
down my throat that she doesn't seem
to already realize I've already heavily talked about,

572
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:36.360
is this letter from two thousand and
one. So she sends me an

573
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:39.840
email making reference to these letters.
Albeit she has some of the best images

574
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:44.639
that I've seen of this particular letter
so far, but she isn't telling me

575
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:49.920
something I haven't already discovered and haven't
already completed the handwriting examination on. And

576
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.480
she's saying that it's Jack all day
long. Well, thank you for the

577
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.079
confirmation, but yes, we've been
there, done that. That brings us

578
00:44:57.119 --> 00:45:00.679
to an all agencies and in agreement
that Lost Angela's San Francisco, Sacramento,

579
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.480
Valeo, and Riverside murders were committed
by the same person. So another FOYA

580
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.960
file that says for information of the
Los Angeles office commencing in August nineteen sixty

581
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:15.079
nine. An individual who has written
several letters to the newspapers in Northern California,

582
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:21.159
some of which contained cryptographic The cryptographic
messages and whose signs themselves. Zodiac

583
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:25.079
had been suspect in at least six
unsolved murders in California. Because of some

584
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:30.039
of the details contained in his letters
pertaining to the murders, details not known

585
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:34.840
to the general public, the police
agencies which investigated the cases have come to

586
00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:39.280
the confirm conclusion that the Zodiac is
responsible. The murders for which the Zodiac

587
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:44.599
has taken credit are as follows.
Riverside, California, Valeo, California two,

588
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:49.119
Valeo, California, one, Lake
Barriesa one, San Francisco one.

589
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:53.239
All but the Riverside, California crimes
occurred in the Sacramento in San Francisco Division,

590
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:58.920
the Sacramento and here the Sacramento Division. This is bringing us right on

591
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:01.400
into these murders. We're going to
start seeing. We've already saw one nurse

592
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:07.400
murdered in the Sacramento area, as
Jack is moving more towards South Lake Tahoe.

593
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:12.280
It says the Sacramento and San Francisco
divisions have since nineteen sixty nine,

594
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:16.880
on a selective basis, requested examinations
by the FBI Laboratory and FBI Identification Divisions

595
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:21.960
for SWAN to request from the Valeo, California Police Department, Solano County,

596
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:25.440
California Sheriff's Office, San Francisco p
D, and Napa County, California.

597
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:30.000
So all of these police agencies have
had jurisdiction and murders committed by the Zodiac

598
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.920
in their areas. As a result, the FBI Laboratory has on file several

599
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:38.039
samples of handprinting and writing prepared by
the Zodiac, which samples were furnished by

600
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:45.639
the above police agencies. The FBI
id Identification Division Layton finger Print Section has

601
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:50.079
on file some Layton prints developed from
question documents and other sources, and may

602
00:46:50.320 --> 00:46:53.599
be made available by the above police
agencies. Some or all of these Layton

603
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:58.719
prints may belong to the Zodiac.
For a period of approximately three years,

604
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:02.280
no correspondents had been received from the
Zodiac. However, on one seventy four,

605
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:07.320
a letter was received by a San
Francisco newspaper believed to have been prepared

606
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.039
by the Zodiac. The San Francisco
office is in the process of attaining a

607
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:15.119
copy of this letter and any latent
fingerprints developed on it for submission to the

608
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FBI Laboratory and Identification Division. So
I think that's pretty strong evidence that they

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are, including Sherry Joe Bates.
Absolutely. Why is Los Angeles on there?

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We don't know if any Zodiac murders
in La Riverside, I think could

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probably be the only So maybe it's
said juristic. But didn't Zodiac write a

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letter to the LA Times. Yes, and that's when he that's when he

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came. Yes, exactly, he
wrote it to the LA Times in regards

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to them finding his Riverside activity.
Absolutely correct, We are down to about

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a minute to other southern California a
killians as well. Exactly. He said

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there was a lot more down there
they hadn't found yet. So, yes,

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we are dealing with somebody who is
has committed more crimes than he's admitted,

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and I think that we're going to
see all of those crimes come about.

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Most of the LA ones we've already
heard. We're now in the northern

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California area. If he commits any
other murders, now, I'm going to

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find them in other states and other
places. When he moves where he goes

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to, Jack has the proximity and
happens to be right there within the availability

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of committing these crimes. Well,
that pretty much is about all I have.

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Unless you guys have something you can
add today, we are down to

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that's it. I got a question. I predicted the earthquake earlier this week

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was birthquake weather, and then five
minutes later I got an alert on my

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phone. Then five minutes after that
it came out that there was an earthquake.

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All right, Terry, we got
to go to show you that there

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were honorable people working for the FBI, because this is an honorable and honest

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document that you phoned. You know, it's good some of those people are

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doing their job, you know,
all right, I really yeah, they

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were at one point. I appreciate
you guys. It's been fun today.

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Thank you so much. Everybody,
have a wonderful weekend, and we will

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see you next Friday. Take care, Bert, but