Nov. 16, 2024

Zodiac Killer the Untold Story

Zodiac Killer the Untold Story

This documentary is another chilling tale of Jack W. Tarrance Jr., as told by Dennis Kaufman, friends, and family. I am replaying these episodes to remind us of where this all started. God rest Dennis’ soul and the many victims that are a tragic loss...

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This documentary is another chilling tale of Jack W. Tarrance Jr., as told by Dennis Kaufman, friends, and family. I am replaying these episodes to remind us of where this all started. God rest Dennis’ soul and the many victims that are a tragic loss due to this serial killer. I keep plugging away at the truth, and look to see that Hollyweird discontinues the bashing of the well-cleared suspect, Arthur Leigh Allen.

Hit the Road Jack: Finding the Zodiac is broadcast live Fridays at 10AM PT on K4HD Radio - Hollywood Talk Radio (www.k4hd.com) part of Talk 4 Radio (www.talk4radio.com) on the Talk 4 Media Network (www.talk4media.com). Hit the Road Jack: Finding the Zodiac TV Show is viewed on Talk 4 TV (www.talk4tv.com).

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Writers on the stone, riders on the storm, into.

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This house, born into this world with thrown.

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Like a dog withindout a follow and we're out alone.

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Riders on the storm. There's a killer on the road.

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His brain is squearmen like a.

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Toad y day.

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Let your children play. If your kids maying a rise,

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we ever will die.

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Killer on the road.

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Yes, that goes on in San Francisco for the man

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known as the Zodiac Killer.

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That was the threat of the Zodiac Killer.

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The Zodiac Killer singers to the say.

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Let the counting the five minutes, threatening more murders and

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making the Bay area resident and very Four years ago

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the killing stopped, and so did Zodiac's letter. Now there's another.

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Letter hoping to find a mass murder known as the

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Zodiac Killer.

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He is a pathological psycho killer.

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The aces cases. The guy who solves this is.

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Going to be the greatest detective.

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Treble flood let's and pieces of information, lee's and tips

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from people who want to help catch the Zodiac Killer.

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I've been pouring into police headquarters here at the Hall

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of Justice.

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For the last Zodiac Killer.

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They haven't arrested movie because they can't prove a thing.

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I'm not the damn Zodiac.

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I want to report a double murder. One a while,

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how least on Columbus park Way Public Park.

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They'll find kids in.

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A brown car.

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They were shot with a knight of them.

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Peter lud I also killed those kids last year.

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Good I, Oh my god, he's got a gun.

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Don't move all your money and your car.

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Keep Okay, we're not gonna do anything.

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Okay, we're gonna call for it.

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Tell me what you want us to do.

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So ok.

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I've got an abandon white. I'm a boist, but don't

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want to.

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Want to murder.

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No.

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There ten miles north of the parking headquarters.

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They were in a light of tacking Carpenthe.

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I'm going to get a car.

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In a letter made it very clear that the person

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that was.

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Writing was the murderer, and one California managed no convinced

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his stepfather was the Zodiac.

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He launched a website to prove it.

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It built a detail but circumstantial case against Jack Harris,

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an amateur hunter and electrician, died.

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Lad hear it point.

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All his left is to tell my story and hopefully

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bring closer to the victim's families that they have a

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right to know.

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They deserve to know who the killer was.

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My name is Stephen Dovers. I'm an associate professor at

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Northern Arizona University. After investigating Dennis Kaufman's evidence in his

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case for his stepfather being the Zodiac Killer, at this point,

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I am completely convinced that Jack Terrence was in fact

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the Zodiac Killer, and probably.

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A whole lot more.

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Join me tonight in my search for the truth Zodiac,

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the Untold Story. My name is Dennis Coffin. Jack is

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the only father I ever knew. My mother met him

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in South Lake Tahoe in nineteen seventy. I was just

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a few years old when they met. I remember the

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first time that I met Jack. I walked into the

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living room and he had his arm around my mother

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and I walked over to him. I said, get your

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arm off of my mother. Well, you look at me,

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and he says, we need to have a talk. So

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he took me in to bedroom and he gave me

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a whooping and he said, listen. He says, I don't

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want to be here any more than you want me here,

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but I have no choice. Well I never knew what

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he meant by that until now. Here's a photo of

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Jack from nineteen seventy one next to the composite of

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the Zodia Killer from nineteen sixty nine. The photo of

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Jack was taken in nineteen seventy three. The Sonoma composite

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was done in nineteen seventy five. Noticed the lazy left eye.

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Here is a photo of Jack in nineteen sixty seven,

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and this composite of the Zodiac was done in nineteen

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sixty nine. I took words from the Zodiac letters that

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he mailed to police, and I also took words from

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the letters that Jack sent me over the years. The

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top row of words is Zodiac's writing, and the road

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just beneath it is Jack's writing.

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You can see the similarities. The only difference I note

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in the writing.

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Was the letter A.

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If you look at the word page, you can see

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that the a's are different.

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Jack sometimes forgets and writes the letter A like he

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did on the Zodiac letters. The word to act, and

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then we have the word age. Both of those a's

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are written like they are on the Zodiac letters. Then

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you have the word dad, which is Jack's.

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Normal style of his A.

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In Zodiac's writing, we find the odds splitting of words.

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This is a letter that Zodiac sent to the San

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Francisco Chronicle in January of nineteen seventy four. If you

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look on the second line at the word comedy, you

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see the colm. Then it's split and the idy continues

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on the third line. There's plenty of rooms for that

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word to be written in.

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In Jack's writing, we find this same odd splitting of words.

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The word automatically is cut off and the ly continues

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on the next line.

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Once again, there's plenty of room for that word to

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be written there.

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Another odd characteristic about Zodiac's writing is the odds facing

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in his words. We find the same odd characteristics in

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Jack's writing, the odds facing in his words insubordination, argumentive disregards,

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et cetera. On March nineteenth, nineteen seventy one, Zodiac mailed this.

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Card to the San Francisco Chronicle.

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It was mailed from Pleasington, California. The card is a

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rendition of an area in Lake Tamhoe.

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This is where we were living at the time. YA

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kind of coordinate in San Jose, California, the very same

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day that this postcard was mailed. He would have had

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to go right through Pleasington on his way to court

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that day.

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We were living in Southake Tahoe.

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He would have took Highway fifty down through Sacramento, then

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on the six eighty south right through Pleasington.

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This is where the letter was mailed that day, and

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this is where his courtinate was in San Jose.

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After Zodiac mailed his card on March nineteenth, nineteen seventy one,

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he went silent for three years.

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Jack was put on probation at the exact same time

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Zodiac went silent for three years. In January nineteen seventy four,

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Zodiac broke us through your silence and sent his letter

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to the San Francisco Vannicle. On March seventeen, nineteen seventy four,

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Jack was arrested for poaching on May eighth, nineteen seventy four.

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Zodiac dropped this letter in a mailbox in San Rafel, California.

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Just two days later, on May tenth, in nineteen seventy four,

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Jack was sentenced to thirty days in jail. He was

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taken right into custody from court. This is the first

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time Jack had done an e jail time. Zodiac was

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never heard from again.

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Is it capable of.

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Something like murder.

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Yes, based on what I remember growing up, he has

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told enough stories that makes me think that he has

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in murder. Hearing what I've heard.

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Going out and called blood murs hard for me to believe.

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Is it possible?

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Yeah?

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Probably?

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I I remember is him pulling out a bocket night

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he stabs, and I just remember horrified because I had.

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No moment wants to see that. Do you believe he

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is Soviet killer?

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Go?

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I believe my dances Soviet killer.

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I know that the evidence is there, that there's a

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there's a really big possibility Okay, that he is.

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I know he's capable of it.

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Okay, I've seen that side of him. Oh yeah.

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But that was after he told me that him and

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him and Danny had killed that man in that cabin

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the day that we got him up there.

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He got him up the day to the house and

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I asked him straight up, you know, I've heard some

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bad things about you.

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Jack, And I said, you've told me some bad things

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about you.

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I said, but I want to know who are you?

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Straight in front of him and yeah, and he got pissed.

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He stood up and uh, he goes, why can't you

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just leave the fucking.

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Guys alone, God damn across the loan and left.

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He left the bouts.

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He came back of the bottle of whiskey.

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And anybody who knows me knows I don't drink out

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of anybody in my.

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Own children, fairly, my own life.

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And if you remember the statement he made him down

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the way to California was if you knew who I was,

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you did like And when I asked him who he was.

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And he came back with that whiskey, he took a

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big nasty drink of it, handed.

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Me the bones.

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You still, my friend.

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You can't heal thoms.

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You don't be calls all when you can't kill the

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nion the w He stalks his brad.

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He's moving the good shudle, so heping the phone.

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You silence all.

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He's going to have its way.

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Ride.

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Don't make us stand just about side.

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And held then and it's a china leady, or.

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Loose your stakes.

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Bring her from his sands.

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At it's a mite.

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She won't hear a full step coming aubong.

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You moving like a snake.

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He's a complete control.

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This killer knows his business. He is a predatall.

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You won't some woman Tommy you're it's someone call.

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Wonder.

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What are you saying?

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You want your wireless thy pass on a trouble. It's

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not laying.

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You can't say no to you want it's to be

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well on this face it's a pa.

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You're laying your mount But I don't spooks, just.

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Like sent All that.

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Most of the items I found in Jack stories had

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run I searched it in two thousand and one were

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found in this green metal box. In December of nineteen

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sixty eight, a white Chevy and Paula was seen leaving

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the crime scene at the Lake Herman murders Well. During

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that time, Jack owned a white Chevy and Paula.

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In September of nineteen sixty nine, Zodiac attacked a young

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couple on the shores of Lake Barriessa. Witnesses reported seeing

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an ice blue Tudor Chevy and Paula that day. Here's

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a photo of Jack in nineteen seventy one standing in

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front of his ice blue Tudor Chevy and Paula.

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This is Jack's hypnosis symbol.

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In his own writing, Zodiac uses the same symbol.

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Doctor Zodiac not ordinary criminal. He is man of great ego.

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With disease known to science as pseudo Lochia fantastica.

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Criminal egotist find pleasure in laughing at police.

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Jack was stationed at Treasure Island during the time this

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movie was playing there. In September of nineteen sixty nine,

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Zodiac attacked couple on the shores of Lake Barriessa. At

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the crime scene, he left behind shoe impressions. Police were

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able to determine that they came from a rare military

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shoe called a wingwalker. They were designed for walking on

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the wings of airplanes. Jack would have had access to

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these military shoes when he was a technical supply sergeant

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for the United States Air Force.

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On June third, two thousand and three, I was at

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myself on store and Jack was there too, and he

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found one of my guns that I had hidden in

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the back.

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Well.

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I saw him with a gun, so I grabbed my

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pistol from underneath the counter, and luckily my little brother

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was in between us, because one of us probably would

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have shot each other. Well, just after this incident, a

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customer walked in named Tracy. She had been in my

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store prior to that, and I knew she was married

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to a sheriff, and she walked in my store, and

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she could tell something was wrong, and I was trying

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to play it officer, you know, it wasn't obvious that

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something had just happened. And about that time Jack came

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from the back and handed me something like a pencil.

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I don't remember what it was, but he handed me

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something and Tracy was like in shock like and she said,

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who is that man? I said, Tracy, you really want

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to know? And she said, yes, I do, so I

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told her and she left and there was three second

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went of Sheriff's at my store within twenty minutes that

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she had sent down there, and they interviewed Jack, and

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this is her story.

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Display I noticed there was a man standing at the

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door that the back door, and he was just staring

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at me. And I looked up and I said, Hi,

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how are you?

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And he just looked at me.

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He had no expression on his face whatsoever. It was

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very eerie, to say the least.

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So Dennis was saying, Tracy, could you please go get Ralph.

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Ralph is your excellert fiance. He's a deputy chair.

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And I said, yes, I will, but what's going on here?

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And it was very weird, was it was very scary.

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So as we were talking. You started telling me a

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few things and I was like, what the hell are

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you telling me?

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This is that person?

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And he was like, Tracy, yes he is. That's my

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step dad, and please would you go be a round

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for me, please? And I went to the parking lote,

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I got in my car and I called a news channel.

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I can't remember if it was thirteen three year ten,

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but it.

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Is own file.

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Yes, And I had said something to.

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Something to the fact of, you know, I'm here at

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this place and this guy in the store, and I

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told him what just happened. I just told you, and

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he said, my god, are you kidding me? Are you

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close to a sheriff's station?

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I said, well, yeah.

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I drove to the service center. I walked in and

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the lieutenant was in there, and I asked him, please

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go to the back with me.

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They all met me and the followed.

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Me to the back.

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They knew me as when Ralph and everything exactly, and

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they sat down with me, and I was petrified they knew.

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And I told him the story.

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They got on their phones and they were, you know,

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questioning me about this and that they were one of them.

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Rick was upset and saying, you know, this isn't cool.

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And you know, to that effect that if this guy

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is making this up, this is not okay to.

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Tell the public that this person is the Zodiac Killer

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and make you this upset. Of course, and I remember

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telling him, you know what, I don't.

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Know so much about the Zodiac Killer, but I can

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tell you one being.

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This man that was standing there looking at me made

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my skin crawl.

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It was unbelievable.

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In February of nineteen ninety nine, my mother just had

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her leg amputated from just below the knee down due

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to diabetes.

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Well after she had her leg amputator, I noticed a

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red spot.

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It looked like it might be getting infected, so I

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didn't want to take any chances, so I talked to

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her into going to the hospital and having it checked out.

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When we arrived at E. C.

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Davis Medical Center in Sacramento, the doctor agreed that she

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needed to stay for a few days to watch it,

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make sure there was no infection, make sure the infection

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went away well while she was in the hospital. She

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was there for about three days and the doctor said

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she's okay to go home. So we said we'd be

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there tomorrow the next morning to pick her up to

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take her home, and.

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The next morning she was found on a floor in

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a coma.

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Nobody knows what happened. While my mother was on life support,

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I went to the hospital to visit her, and to

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my surprise, I was wanted for terrorist threats that I

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did not make. I was barely able to make out

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of the hospital without getting caught, so I sent my

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girlfriend Joy back down there to see what was going on.

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Come to find out, Jack, my stepdad, had called the

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hospital and said he was me and he threatened to

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kill the security guards. I was wanted for terrorist threads

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and my mother passed away before I was able to

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clear that up.

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Okay, when I was in Washington and we were visiting

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Charles and Jack called me into his room and and said, Mary,

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he says, I want to ask you something I want

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to annoy if if you really think that I'd kill Nora.

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And I said, well, Jack, all you have to do

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is search your conscience, and if you have a clear conscience,

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then you don't have to worry about anything.

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The plan for Zodiac bomb came from the schematic of

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a UP fifteen teleprinter.

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These machines are used by Ham Radio operators. Jack was

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a Ham radio operator. The bomb diagram on the left

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is Zodiac diagram and the bomb diagram on the right

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is one that I found in Jack's store. Is why

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I serched it in two thousand and one GC.

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One More.

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That case, we have three different composites from three different counties.

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We have the San Francisco composite that was done in

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nineteen sixty nine. Then we have the Sonoma County composite

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that was done in nineteen seventy five. Now, but the

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county had their own composite and it looked nothing like

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the others. Who was this mysterious man in this composite?

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This is Jack's oldest biological son, Denny. I remember reading

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the letter that he had sent his dad from Vietnam.

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The letter ended with Dad, you would love it over here.

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It's hunt in season all year long.

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By March of two thousand and one, I was fed

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up with the answers I was getting from different law

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enforcement agencies regarding Jack's involved in the Zodiac case.

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So I decided I should call him and says to

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see what he had to say.

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But before I called him, I had to find a

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way to make him feel comfortable about talking to me

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about his past.

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So I did was.

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I told him I discovered.

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Who he was and I wanted to write a book,

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but it wouldn't be published until he was dead, and

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he agreed to give him the information. I mean what

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I mean, but I wouldn't wanna well, uh, after.

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After I'd written as picture.

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Now and after I'm gone, uh, which some.

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Days I don't think it'll be long, right, Uh, some

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days I feel like it'll be a long time.

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Twenty years from now around yeah, yeah, right right, I

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I I understand, I'm I don't.

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I don't wanna play anything out there that's gonna bring.

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Your prosecution before you go on. You know, it's not

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my intention, you know, Yeah, I can you know, I

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just kick myselfany answer that'll not you know, just listen

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to your closer, because I never the little ears saw

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it that you know, most of the things I can

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deny and uh they have.

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No proof, right, just be like circumstantial. Yeah right right,

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I'm not worried about it.

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It Uh, it's what the people I know would h

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right right, I said, yeah.

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It was a known fact that.

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It would mean.

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People come up to me all the time and sayd

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why don't you move on from the study A case

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will you answer to?

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That is simple.

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Duging the Thames deserts.

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And uppings looking inn.

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See the same.

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And mass.

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On March thirteenth, nineteen seventy one, the Zodiac mailed this

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letter to the Los Angeles Times. It was mailed from Pleasanton, California.

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It says, this is the Zodiac speaking like I have

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always said, I am crackproof. If the Blue Minis are

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ever going to catch me, they had better get off

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their fat asses and do something, because the longer they

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fiddle and fart around, the more slaves I will collect

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for my afterlife. I do have to give them credit

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for stumbling across my riverside activity, but they are only

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finding the easy ones. There are a hell of a

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lot more down there. The reason that I am writing

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to the Times is this. They don't put me on

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their back pages like they did some of the others.

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San Francisco, PD zero Zodiac seventeen plus, one month after

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the murder of Sherry Joe Bates, her killer, sent this

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confession letter to the Daily Enterprise. The letter begins with

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she was young and beautiful, but now she is battered

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and dead. She is not the first and she will

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not be the last. The killer claimed that he plunged

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the knife into her and it broke. Police also described

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the knife as being about three and a half inches

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long by half inch wide, with a broken and bent tip. Well,

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this is a knife that I found in jack storeshit

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when I searched it. In two thousand and one, just

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six months after the murder of Shary Joe Bates, her

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killer sent three different letters. One of the letters went

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to the Riverside Police Department. It said Bates had to die.

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There will be more. Another letter went to Sharry Joe

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Bates' father, Joseph Bates. It said she had to die

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there will be more also. And the third letter, that

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was mailed in April of nineteen sixty seven, went to

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the Press Enterprise in Riverside. Communications to local Barrier newspapers began.

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Just like in Riverside, he sent three different letters. It

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seems as though Zodiac is fascinated with time. Zodiac sent

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a map of northern California to Bay area newspapers and

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over Mount Diablo he put his infamous symbol. But if

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you notice in his symbol, you see a three, six

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and nine just as if it was a watch fase.

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This is the watch that was found at the Scherry

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Joe Bates crime scene in nineteen sixty six in Riverside, California.

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The murder took place at about ten thirty pm, but

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this watch was stopped at twelve twenty three. If we

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use Mount Diablo as a centerpoint for the clockhands, the

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murder of Sharry Joe Bates would be at twelve twenty three.

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When I asked Jack specifically if he was a Zodiac killer,

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listen to what he had to say.

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He killer might have to bagine of things.

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Let's see what's happening.

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I remember when we were younger, he would take his

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campaign and when we got to our camping spot, he

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would take his AM radio, his map.

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And his compass.

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What he would do He'd take his AM radio and

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he'd find an AM station. He'd point the radio in

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that direction, and wherever the radio would cut off at

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he knew there was a station in that direction. He

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would take two stations and do that with and he

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would take and draw a line and somehow pinpoint our

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location on the map.

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I never understood why he did this until now.

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Yeah ended one of.

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His letters with ps. The Mount Diablo code concerns radiance

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and inches along the radiance. This killer was after something

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completely different. Bodiac also sent a map of the Bay

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area and over the top of Mount Diablo he put

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his infamous symbol. Zodiac mentioned the word radians in his letter,

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But what exactly is a radian? A radian is an

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angle of fifty seven point three degrees. But what did

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this have to do with Zodiac and Mount Diablo.

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In nineteen eighty a man by the name of Garth

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Penn made a pretty significant discovery.

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Garth Pen.

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Connected the murrasite of Paulsteine and San Francisco to the

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00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:47.239
top of Mount Diablo.

483
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:49.119
Then he took the two.

484
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.559
Known murdersites just outside Balleo and connected then the Mount Diablo.

485
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.199
He discovered that it made an angle of fifty seven

486
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:58.880
point three degrees, a perfect radiant. Well, I took Penn's

487
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:03.159
theory and went a step further. I connected the crime

488
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:05.719
scene at Lake berry Essa to the top of Mount Diablo,

489
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:08.599
and I realized that it made an odd angle of

490
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:12.159
sixteen point two degrees. I did not realize the significance

491
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:16.239
he had at this point. I would later discover that

492
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:24.000
six radiants plus sixteen point two degrees make a complete circle.

493
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.239
Mount Diablo is the center point for longitude and latitude.

494
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:37.760
This year is the top Mount Diablo Saaporian for longitude

495
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:38.440
and latitude.

496
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:47.679
Here's a center point.

497
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.159
And said, you way shot.

498
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:25.480
Made my answer he is not to read.

499
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:47.840
So then I said, don't mean I can't rest by

500
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:48.960
calling or.

501
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:56.639
How it?

502
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.320
You ways shut up?

503
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:09.840
Don don't know which way you go? But if you

504
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.639
want to under mile jair.

505
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:16.599
S the sto.

506
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.480
If you want to do it, allow your shadowing.

507
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:28.159
The very say.

508
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:45.400
Where go?

509
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:52.679
And no Jo, don't know which way you know you

510
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:05.800
shore whos trop to show.

511
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.320
More Mountain.

512
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:19.360
The show.

513
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:27.360
Show.

514
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:18.480
Probably the most famous of San Francisco homicide cases in

515
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:22.599
terms of unsolved cases, is a Zodiac case. And literally

516
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:28.079
every day we receive some type of notification message in

517
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.440
the mail or a phone call. Now we even get

518
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:36.159
email messages regarding this case. And so it was decided

519
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:39.559
that the case would be reactivated and assigned to an

520
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:44.119
active homicide team. There's a sub set of the population

521
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:49.480
that is obsessed with the case. To some it's like

522
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:50.079
a religion.

523
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:51.000
Appreciate it.

524
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.400
After Joy and I went to the FBI and they

525
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:07.159
listened to our story and I turned Jack in. We

526
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.719
both went back to our storage shed. We just kind

527
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:14.159
of was very sad because at that point I thought

528
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:16.880
I was going to be putting Jack in prison. And

529
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:20.360
my younger brother, Jack was his real dad and he

530
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:22.360
just lost his mother, and now I was going to

531
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:26.199
be taking his dad away from two. Then the reality

532
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:28.400
hit of what was really going on I to make

533
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:32.159
up to that point. After about a year of dealing

534
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:35.800
with the Zodiac thing, my girlfriend Joy couldn't take anymore,

535
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.599
so she moved up to Washington State with her aunt

536
00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:41.639
and kind of got her own life going. I stayed

537
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.599
behind because I had to work on the case. I

538
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:52.159
felt obligated. After about six months, I decided I had

539
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:54.400
enough of the case as myself as well, and I

540
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.199
went to Washington to pick up Joy.

541
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:57.480
To bring her back.

542
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:00.400
Before I could bring her back, I had to have

543
00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:02.679
something to bring her back too, So I talked to

544
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:04.679
my uncle and he was going to help us start

545
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:06.320
up a new cell phone store and help us get

546
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:11.280
on our feet again, and he did. In February of

547
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:13.440
two thousand and two. We got our business going, our

548
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:16.159
cell phone store had our own place for once, and

549
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:19.559
everything was like it was before.

550
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:20.800
I was actually happy again.

551
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:21.800
I had left the.

552
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.880
Zodiac thing alone and we were making we were making money.

553
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:28.599
Everything was good, but that was about to suddenly change.

554
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:36.400
Our business had been successful our first month. We were

555
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.079
doing really good. We got our own place and everything

556
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.039
was good. And out of the blue, Jack shows up

557
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:46.800
at our front door from Texas and I told him, Jack,

558
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:49.280
you can't stay here, and he talked me into letting

559
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:52.000
him stay one night and the following day he was

560
00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:54.440
to go to his brother, his brother's house. It was

561
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.440
just down the road, his brother, Dawn. And my biggest

562
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:01.400
mistake was letting him stay that one night. After we

563
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:04.400
all went to bed, we heard banging on the walls

564
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:06.559
and Jack was banging on the walls and the neighbors

565
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:10.440
were banging back, and we were afraid we were gonna

566
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:12.960
lose our place that we'd just gotten. So I I

567
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:14.880
couldn't take him where. I called the cops on Jack,

568
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:17.880
and UH told him that I wanted to sman out

569
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.320
of my house. Well, the cops took Jack outside and

570
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:24.199
talked to him. It wasn't but two or three minutes

571
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:27.440
before he had him convinced that he had dementia. So

572
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:29.199
one of the cops came over to me and says,

573
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:32.960
your dad suffers from dementia, and uh, there's nothing we

574
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.639
can do. We can't remove him from your house. And

575
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.559
I said, well, he's not welcome here. Then the police

576
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:41.480
officer proceeded to tell me that not only can we

577
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:43.880
not move him from your house, if you kick him out,

578
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.880
we're gonna charge you with a felony for abandonment of

579
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:53.239
an elderly person. At this point, I'd had enough. I

580
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:57.599
went up to my room and I grabbed my pistol.

581
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:00.480
I couldn't take any more. He was not going to

582
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.039
ruin my life again at this point, and Joey wound

583
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:06.639
up running out the front door, and that was the

584
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.719
last time I seen her. And now I'm stuck living

585
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:12.920
with a man that murdered my mother, and all of

586
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.559
a sudden, my life has did a one hundred eighty

587
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:17.079
return everything.

588
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:21.159
Arthur Lee Allen did not donate the biological material that

589
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:25.840
was recovered from the stamp for the Soodiat correspondence that

590
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:27.679
yielded this result.

591
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:31.159
When you write you rest the heel of your palm,

592
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:35.440
a very characteristic part of it on the paper, and

593
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:40.880
people in those days weren't really aware that you could

594
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:43.679
leave a palm print that it could be identified. They

595
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:46.960
knew about fingerprints, but the public really wasn't that aware

596
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:49.559
of palm prints. Were able to obtain palm prints from

597
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.880
Arthur Lee Allen. It was compared to the one that

598
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.320
had been developed earlier, and they don't match. That is

599
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:58.360
not Arthur Allen's palm print.

600
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.320
I worked with several law enforcement agencies on this case

601
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:08.920
trying to bring Jack Tarns to justice. I had fairly

602
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.280
good cooperation with just about everyone of them that I

603
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:14.400
worked with, except part of the San Francisco Police Department.

604
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.880
I have never quite dealt with people like them.

605
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:26.079
But it's not a It's not a good thing when

606
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:29.440
you're dealing with a murderer to be more worried about

607
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:30.599
getting the credit for something.

608
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:32.519
You need to get this man off the streets.

609
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:35.760
That should be number one priority, not who gets the

610
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:45.880
credit for doing it in particularly. Okay, well you know

611
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:54.239
what I have I believe and the reason I'm curious,

612
00:45:54.400 --> 00:46:04.039
you know, I didn't. I just I didn't understand there

613
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:08.360
might be some about you or whatever.

614
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:09.440
What is going on?

615
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:35.199
Okay, yeah, right, drugs acts. This point of the somewhat.

616
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.320
Let's turn on there. So I love to sell a

617
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:39.719
couple years ago and I'm gonna do that.

618
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.559
And I guess he said that the.

619
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.480
Sound of that case is final. The Jack hard.

620
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.039
Tars t A R R I Z.

621
00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:57.480
You know theres just that just that it's pretty cord

622
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:01.199
stuff made when you call uh, I mean yeah.

623
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:06.920
There a couple of fun laws actually committed were sus

624
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:07.599
a long way.

625
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:15.239
Episode?

626
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:24.920
You know, the kind of annoyed me?

627
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:27.440
You know, as I told them initially our.

628
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.519
Laboratory was committed to a thirty day turnaround.

629
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.280
Right, so we was you know, we would have been

630
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:33.280
so much further.

631
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:35.559
Ahead than where we are now.

632
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:39.159
Absolutely, but you know, everyone commit because of such.

633
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:40.719
A whole high profile deal, right.

634
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:43.880
Everyone wants to be the one. You know, just say

635
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:46.440
Iowa was the one right fo this you know, right?

636
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:49.159
Those those my change and none of them right, you know,

637
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:53.840
wrong seeing that everybody work together, so everybody, you know

638
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:58.360
that's right from the same you know you went into

639
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.800
this every now and then with these petty I'm sure

640
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:01.360
you got.

641
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.599
That the real person, right, They won't did anything that

642
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:06.639
Kelly Keller did.

643
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:08.519
They buy this guy.

644
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:11.119
Because you have done it?

645
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:13.039
Do it homework and you got it in here.

646
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.800
This is the property that Jack owned in nineteen seventy four.

647
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.159
My partner Robert Manner, and I decided to revisit this

648
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:32.639
place and just have a look around and just see

649
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.159
if we noticed anything. And when we got there, the

650
00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:38.920
owner was very cooperative. We explained to her what was

651
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:43.360
going on, and at that point we decided to run

652
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:45.880
cadabra dogs across the property to see if they picked

653
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.920
up any scent. In January of two thousand and eight,

654
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:51.920
we ran the cadaver dogs across the property and they

655
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:56.079
did pick up scent. We marked the locations where they

656
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:58.239
picked up the scent, and a couple of weeks later

657
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:01.039
we came out and we dug in those and we

658
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:05.320
found what appeared to be human remains. These human remains

659
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:12.079
have been turned over to the FBI for evaluation. Sometime

660
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.559
around nineteen ninety Jack asked me about this old piece

661
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:17.679
of equipment that I had. He made the comment to

662
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:19.440
me that if I ever get rid of it, then

663
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:20.039
he wanted it.

664
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:20.920
Well.

665
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.000
At the time, I didn't give it much thought. Several

666
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.159
years later, in two thousand and five, he asked me

667
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.960
about the same piece of equipment and once again I

668
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.400
didn't give it much thought at the time. A few

669
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:34.199
years later, in two thousand and eight, I was going

670
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.239
through my things and I ran across this thing that

671
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:38.760
he'd been asking about, this pa head.

672
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:41.079
I was surprised that I.

673
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:43.039
Still had it, because we'd been through a couple RECs,

674
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:45.440
and it was just amazing.

675
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:45.880
That I had it still.

676
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:53.280
I decided to open it, but I had no idea

677
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:55.199
what I was about to see.

678
00:50:03.480 --> 00:51:07.239
Thea in.

679
00:51:47.440 --> 00:52:56.480
Me, No, I.

680
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:06.199
Tell me about the good old days. Sometimes it feels like.

681
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:10.719
This world's gone crazy.

682
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:24.280
Gate take me back to yesterday, when the line.

683
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:25.639
Between riding long.

684
00:53:27.840 --> 00:53:30.000
Didn't seem so basy.

685
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:39.199
Lovers really fun enough to stay stand beside each ob

686
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:47.559
come with me, Promise really solve be baka after something

687
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:55.280
that I would say, Family's really bad and heads to pray.

688
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.639
Daddy's really mad, gone.

689
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:06.920
God, tell me about the good old.

690
00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:25.199
Day, m.

691
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:31.360
Grandpa.

692
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:36.840
Everything has changed bad.

693
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.440
We call the program.

694
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:44.800
That you don't know.

695
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:54.400
Gran Swonder back.

696
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:55.920
In two had.

697
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:09.039
Then changed me a picture, Oh Lord, lovers really fine,

698
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:13.519
love to stay standy Saudi, ch.

699
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:18.599
Oh okay, promise really solved?

700
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:20.079
Be bothered?

701
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:22.079
Love to something?

702
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:29.119
They would say, then Father, get Family's really Five Heads

703
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:38.360
to Pray, Daddy's really Never Go Away? Whoa bad Mom

704
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:41.639
tell me about the good old day?

705
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:46.760
Whoa love bad

706
00:55:48.519 --> 00:55:51.159
Tell me about the good old day.