Santa Rosa Hitchhiker and I-45 murders

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True seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit

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the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. I'm
going to welcome to the show this morning.

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Nolan del Campo, Good morning,
every buddy. Good morning, Terry

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BATCHERI and I'm sure with this here
well win An here, oh there she

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is, Good morning, Hariot Yeah, yeah, good morning. Yeah,

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She's always now, I hear you. Fine, okay, okay, yeah,

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all right. So we've got some
rabbit holes to go down in the

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next couple of weeks, some things, some research, I think, some

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things that will be shocking, some
things that will kind of make you go

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hmm when it comes to Harriet Solves
and the things that she's discovered. But

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I'm gonna go ahead and flip over
to the presentation. At this point,

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all right. So in some of
my research, of course, humble being

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one of those words that we saw
on the Tom Voight letters and in regards

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to the Tim Miller letter, so
humble was this word that was chosen and

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used in a couple of communications,
and knowing instinctively that Tim Miller was under

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the impression that this was revolving around
let's say oil, the oil industry,

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at least that's what he received the
message that he received to mean that there

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was some connection to oil. So
I started looking up some things and I

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actually came across an oil company called
Humble Oil and Refining Company, and this

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particular letter here that's occurring. They're
actually merging with Exon Oil, which was

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even more interesting because of course Humble
is a town in Texas on the outskirts

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of Bush International Airport, So everybody
understands my Humble connection and Bush. But

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then it turns out it's also an
oil oil company. And the reason why

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that I fell into this little kind
of you know, research, is because

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of the I call him the Dear
Jane letters. I found him in the

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FOI file, and it's basically a
gentleman saying how at the age of seventeen,

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he got involved with the wrong people, got hooked up with the mob,

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became a career killer. And one
of the things that he had stated

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is that the oil company such as
Exon Shell and Standard Oil were our relative

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jobs, that the assets were CIA
operatives actually held for cover and flexibility,

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so they would work at a gas
station, is what he was indicating that

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this was their cover job for who
they really were. So climbing down that

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rabbit hole obviously led me to an
actual humble oil refining company out of Texas.

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This is in nineteen seventy two,
that they're actually merging with Exxon,

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And of course we have that just
opposed to a picture I found in Nora's

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belongings for Christmas of a December nineteen
seventy two, which actually was in Jack's

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belongings the end, but clearly this
was Nora's handwriting at the top of this,

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but again kind of instills the fact
that Jack is the keeper and collector

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of all things, including this particular
picture, which I think that this alludes

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to the fact that Jack is definitely
in Dennis Coffin's life as he suspected at

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this point in time. That brings
us to the next murder, and this

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one is actually out of Texas.
So we're going to start seeing what they

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call the I forty five mystery murders
now. And we know that Jack is

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constantly back and forth to Texas.
At one point in time, when I

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was going through his belongings, I
was actually able to put together a stack

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of pictures that coincided with the dates
that Dennis Kaufman had for murders that occurred

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in the I forty five killings and
the Texas murders. He had quite a

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list. I want to say there
was about seventeen or eighteen murders that were

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listed on this list with dates involved. And as I was going through Jack's

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belongings and his pictures, I could
actually find pictures of him in Texas during

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that time. So that's why I
started to entertain the I forty five murders,

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because we know that if he's the
Zodiac here killing and he's going back

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home and visiting Mom all the time, that we have to take into consideration

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that some of these murders, unsolved
crimes, could also be the work of

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him while he's there. So that
brings us to January third of nineteen seventy

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three from Kimberly Pitchford out of Pasadena, Texas and the Houston area. Just

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a quick note. She was sixteen
years old, disappeared while taking or after

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a driving class. She was strangled
by a small cord. She was found

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in the water, and she was
half nude. So a lot of these

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things are kind of coinciding with some
of the other murders that we're hearing about

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back in the Santa Rosa hitchhiker area. That led me down another hole after

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finding this excerpt on her. Somebody
had written quite a nice article to kind

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of give us some background on this
girl's death. And I got to see

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the rabbit hole that the suspects went
down, And this is the kind of

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stuff that I want people to be
prepared for. Jack had acknowledged to Dennis

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that he was aware that people were
serving time for his crimes, that there

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were people who were in jailed or
arrested for things he knew he did.

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So we're going to cover some of
that of that the way they actually fores

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fit their suspects in or even get
them to cap to something that they didn't

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do. So it says it's been
five decades since sixteen year old Kimberly Pitchford

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vanished from the parking lot of J. Frank Adobe High School in Houston,

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Texas on January third, nineteen seventy
three. The shy sophomore had just finished

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her first Driver's ed class that concluded
at six pm and was supposed to call

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her parents for a ride home,
but the call never came. Two days

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later, her partially clad body was
found thirty miles away, floating in a

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canal beneath a wooden bridge in Brazoria
County on County Road sixty five in Iowa

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Colony, Texas. She'd been strangled, and her case remains unsolved. Do

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you have anything in regards to a
Kimberly pitch Harriet and yours? Yes?

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Yes. So it is definitely in
America's most evil And I think he said

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that you don't have the book or
whatever, so maybe I'll send you the

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book again. Definitely he's got information
on that, and it's just really said,

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so is he. Oh yeah,
he's definitely telling on a bunch of

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people, him and his crew mainly, but he's not saying this time that

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it's coming the information is coming from
the crew, but he's telling on what

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happened with uh Sair. I just
read the salt so because ed Bell is

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the one. Hold, oh so
you did a stenographic. This is the

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now the evidence and clues that are
relayed to about the information on her where

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she was and what parking lot and
what date, and the information of where

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what canal and beneath the wooden bridge. I mean I can go on and

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on, but oh no, go
ahead read I did not know that you

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had something on her. Go ahead
and read that solve. Oh I got,

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I got the two books and one
in America's most evil of all these

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solves. Anyways, let me read
it really quick. It's it, says

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Nixon Myrtel Walker aka Marjorie Lette Hid
November twenty second, nineteen sixty three,

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Kennedy, Palmdale, c A autopsy
photos in Janice twenty seven, sound System

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who owed Saudi Prince Group fifty g
Reve nn fed the two Brenda kays that

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one is the father Lester String nine
Trio Robert Abel, the second a diplomat

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Hotel wash, the second ed Bell, Drag and rowing Craft one hundred and

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thirty seven Bones jones I, Torso, NASA park Way Gonzalez film dentist dactor

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triple x KO that's the knockout murder
and mystery. And then Bobby the Cook.

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This is now coming from Bobby the
Cook, shy two ro this responding

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officer sound drunk, Lulu Lou Lou
Lou went to find University Alabama. Craven

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sister Park shadows units in the UAWS
United Autoworker eight eight seven a Ibarrah,

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who's in NASA New Paul Craven November
nine, nineteen seventy one, grabbed twelve

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year old at seven seven zero five
five. That's the zip code park drop

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axe hands arm seven seven zero eight
nine zip code in the field self kidnap.

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That's another person, last name self
anyways kidnap, Ronda Johnson, Sharon

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Shaw together and then he's saying Kim
thirteen seventy three one three seventy three Yeah,

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three seventy three twenty c C bike
to Al meet Yeah to al meet

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up by I Cosmetics. And then
it's saying ed Bell grab the youth,

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go to seven seven five eighty three. That's the zip code. Strangle and

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UH at sixty four and County Road
sixty five, Icy intersection. And then

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he said that Craven had given them
ice cream. Anyways, that he's crazy

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and he's just telling all these people, and so he's who did what.

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He's trying to clarify because everybody at
the time was thinking Hoodieact might be doing

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this. So he's also clarifying who
did who did what? Gotcha? All

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right? So yeah, let me
go ahead, no one. So he's

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saying that attributing her Kimberly's murder to
Ed Bell. Yeah, ed Bell,

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he's one of the he's one of
the textas by forty five killer suspects.

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Interesting, Yeah, I hadn't before. So, yeah, she looks she

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looks like a woman. Yeah.
Right, Oh, I was just gonna

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say that all the details of where
she was found, everything the time that

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all a thegrams out to what the
truth is. It's amazing. It's amazing

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how this is done so somehow,
some way because of drugs and CIA.

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Just like you're saying cover jobs,
this is all involved and they're using this

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type of CIA intel community system.
Then it's amazing. All right, Well,

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let me finish with this gal's story
and where they went to and the

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suspects and everything involved, and we'll
see if any of that matches up because

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you did once again bring up Saudia
Prince or Saudi Prince, and that's coming

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up here in the next couple of
weeks. That is absolutely like mind blowing

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what we're going to cover. But
so it says. It was also the

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first day of school after the Christmas
holidays when Pitchford was abducted and her lifeless

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body was found in a rural area
of Brazoria County where bodies of other young

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women had been found in nineteen seventy
one. This raised the question was her

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murder the work of a fifth killer
to emerge from the shadows, or was

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she a victim caught in a twisted
game orchestrated by a sole predator to taunt

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police. Investigators from the Brazoria and
Harris County Sheriff's Office teamed up and divided

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the interviews of Pitchford's family members,
classmates, teachers, and other possible witnesses

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to help peace together what may have
happened during the final days of the teen's

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life that would cause her to cross
paths with a killer. According to her

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father, Elmer Pitchford, now to
cease, The family filed a missing person

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report when she failed to call or
arrive home that evening. Kim was prompt

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in letting them know her whereabouts and
knew to get permission before changing her plans.

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After speaking with the teen's best friend, Karen Framm, the family learned

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that Kim had borrowed money from her
for lunch that day and was upset over

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her boyfriend, Jimmy Maddox being in
jail. You said mature, right,

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Nolan fifteen years Maddox now sixty seven
was just seventeen when he joined the US

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Army inteen seven, nineteen seventy two. Yeah, that's when Jack joined.

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Was seventeen in nineteen seventy two and
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According to Maddox, he and two
of his buddies had met Kimberly and

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his friends at the Trampoline, a
popular teen hangout located on Colleckley Drive across

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from Alame to mal in December thirty
first, nineteen seventy two. To celebrate

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New Year's Before midnight, Maddox's friend
Ray drove everyone to Kimberly's house in the

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eighty five hundred block of Winlea,
where they all hung out and visited Maddox

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and his friends Ray and Phil began
wandering down the street and were arrested by

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police for breaking into cars. Ray
and Phil were released on January second,

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but Maddox was detained for being a
wall I never saw Kimberly since that night,

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said Maddox. I didn't even get
to go to her funeral. She

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was a sweetheart, and I've often
wondered what might have happened between us,

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because I was definitely going to contact
her after I was discharged from the Army.

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According to Maddox, Kimberly was a
strong woman who spoke highly of her

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family and had no reason to run
away. I was the wild one and

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wasn't even allowed to smoke if I
wanted to be around her. Maddox said

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the puppy love was mutual, and
according to teachers, Kim was visibly upset

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during her six period class, as
well as the d hall she attempted prior

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to driver's ed. Maddox was unaware
that Kim was worried about him. Two

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of the last classmates to see Kim
alive were Russell Sones and Jimmy Hester,

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now those sixty six. According to
Sones, he was Kim's driving partner,

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mister Arthur Clark was our instructor,
and I didn't really know Kim that well,

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mostly just in passing. I was
a real shot. I was real

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shy back then and didn't notice if
Kim seemed upset or not because I was

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focused on driving. She sat in
the back seat while I drove, and

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then we'd switch. We drove through
a nearby neighborhood and parked alongside of the

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high school, facing the baseball field. We got out of the car.

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I didn't notice which way she went, said Soones. Hester had been waiting

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the entire hour in the school's doorway
facing the parking lot for his class to

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start at six PM. I remember
seeing Russell get out of the car,

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but I didn't see Kim. I
knew who she was, but I didn't

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know her personally, said Hester.
I don't recall seeing anything out of the

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ordinary. It was as if kimberly
vanished into thin air. Before a body

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was found off of rural road in
Brazoria County. Law enforcement worked tirelessly on

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our case for several months and conducted
dozens of interviews and ran down every lead

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that came their way to no avail
Today, Brazoria County investigators continue to review

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the case on occasion, hoping to
notice a detail that might have been overlooked

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or receive a tip that helps solve
the case. So here's Edward Bell.

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Holy crap, did you just get
done? Yeah, yeah, he's coming.

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So he's connected to some people that
Jack in his side don't like Okay,

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that's anyway. So yeah, who's
he connected to. He's connected to

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John Edward Wallas Junior, Robert Abel, the Demon and yeah, that's the

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side that they're trying to bring down. Yeah, he does not like them.

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They don't like him. The side
he's Jack is lift. So's he's

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he's happy to be killing on these
people. Well, I thought that these

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were some interesting suspects. So on
Edward Harold Bell as a suspect, It

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says in twenty eleven, a serial
flasher, a former psychiatric patient named Edward

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Harold Bell, now decease, claimed
he was responsible for the murder of Pitchford,

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as well as the murders of at
least eleven other young women in the

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early seventies. Bell made this claim
while serving a seventy year sentence for the

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August twenty eighth nineteen seventy eight murders
Dickens twenty six, who literally caught Belle

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with his pants down flashing neighborhood girls
in Pasadena and took away his car keys

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to prevent his escape. When Dickens
refused to give Belle his key, Belle

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put on his pants and reached for
his twenty two automatic pistol into the seat

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and fired a warning shot into the
air and threatened Dickens to return his keys.

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Dickens refused again and was shot repeatedly
and staggered to his driveway with Belle

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still in pursuit of his keys.
After Dickens relinquished the keys, Belle went

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back to his truck, grabbed his
rifle, and turned to fire a final

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fatal shot into Dicken's head. Rebell's
claim to be within the realm of possibilities,

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one must ponder the likelihood of alightlihood
of a serial killer regressing seven years

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later to acts of exposure of children. I thought that that was rather interesting,

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because who digresses, right, Who
goes from being a murderer to a

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flasher. It's usually like the flashing
perk comes first, then you got to

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kill. Clearly, he likely did
not want to be caught by the cops

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for flashing, obviously, and he's
going to do away with the one person

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who busted him doing it. But
does that make him a killer? Of

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again that how do you digress from
being a serial killer? I killed people

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and then seven years later I'm just
a flasher. I don't know that sounded

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a little alone. Yeah, yeah, this saw the same that Ed Bell

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is also involved with the deaths of
the white Brenda K. Jones and her

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father, the Torso. The Torso
anyways of I forty five anyways, he

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was always a killer. Yeah,
gotcha. So yeah, well that's pretty

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blatant if you're just gonna load somebody
up with lead and then go get your

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rifle and come back and finish it
off. So we were getting some feedback.

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I'm hoping that's kind of cleared up
at this point. But if anybody

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has the show open in another tab, make sure that you're only open once

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somewhere, all right, so it
goes back. The question was posed to

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former FBI profiler Mark Young, who
is now in private practice with Young Tech

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International. It generally follows that a
sexually motivated serial killer continues with that type

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of behavior. There may be gaps
between offenses due to many factors such as

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incarceration, old age, police activity, availability of victims while the offenders on

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the prow, employment elsewhere, family
intervention, or many other variables. Said

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young, we rarely, if ever, seen a prolific offender completely change and

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become a noticeably lesser offender, or
as you question, to go from the

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serial killing of many young female victims
to only exposure and masturbation in front of

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children. Bell never provided any details
on the unsolved cases that weren't already published

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in the old newspaper reports. So
almost like there's up is some type of

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a patsy for these particular crimes,
because I kind of believe what he says

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here. I mean, how do
you become a killer and then go back

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to masturbating in front of kids?
If you're used to sexually raping or molesting

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and then violently killing your victims,
how do you go back to the lesser

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I don't know. It's a very
inconsiderate, to say the least. It's

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almost as if he wanted to get
caught and arrested. He probably knew he

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had a dark side, you know, so you can't arrest me for these

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killings that are linked to Robert Abel
who works for NASA. Arrest me for

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this if he wanted, if he
wanted, if he wanted to be arrested,

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he simply just needed to sit there
with the guy at the keys in

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his hand who was called the police
to report him. Like, come on,

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you didn't have to kill the guy, right yourself arrested without killing somebody.

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I am saying that it's pretty much
corrupt at that time. Sorry to

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say Texas it's a big state,
but yeah, there's a lot of corruption

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going on there. But you know, that's just my input there because I've

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seen his name coming up several times
and uh, you know, so he

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finally does get arrested for something and
then he's, you know, there in

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jail saying, well, I am
responsible for Kimberly picture, but I I

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found him. I think I don't
think no, no, no, no,

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I think that I don't think that
he's responsible for Kimberly. And You're

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gonna hear why as we finish off
this stuff that I'm talking about. But

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it's just interesting that, again,
they may a very good point about how

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one goes from being a criminal of
one sort and evolves into a bigger,

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more progressive criminal rather than digressing like
we see that this guy's purportedly done if

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he literally was the killer, so
it says could other cases be connected.

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Although Pitchford's case appears to be an
isolated incident, she was in fact the

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twelfth young woman to be murdered in
the surrounding area of Houston since June of

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nineteen seventy one, and the third
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The series of murders spans four counties
and are collectively known as the Mystery of

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Mysteries of I forty five. Collette
Wilson thirteen vanished on June seventeenth, nineteen

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seventy one, and we haven't gotten
to that yet. I'm gonna I think

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I'm gonna skip past this because we've
not gotten to these murders yet. But

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it is listing several of the murders
that I have included for the I forty

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five murders and will go through them
chronologically when we get to them. Despite

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Pitchford's close proximity to the abduction end
or dub sites of Linda Fay Sutherland,

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Allison Craven, and Cole at Wilson. No links were publicly made since Sutherland

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and Wilson's killer was dead and Craven's
killer had already confessed and was in custody

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prior to Pitchford's deaths. So did
you come up with Craven Craven's killed.

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Yeah, Craven's name is in there, but I've done Allison Craven's and I've

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done Gloria Gonzalez. I mean,
but her name is Okay, we'll get

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to we'll get to that. So
we'll get to Yeah. So it says

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did police catch the correct killers?
News reports of the series of murders tried

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and prompted Lieutenant Governor Bill Hobby to
contribute eight thousand towards a reward fund.

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Multiple law enforcement agencies joined forces.
In between April and June of nineteen seventy

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two, police had arrested and obtained
confessions from four different men that solve the

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majority of the cases. Harry Andrew
Lanham Junior, twenty five, a Houston

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record driver, confessed on April fifteenth, nineteen seventy two, that he was

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present when Linda Sutherland was murdered,
but pointed to Anthony Michael Napa, I'm

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gonna guess as being the trigger man. Lanham made a second statement on June

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ninth and nineteen seventy two, implicating
himself and was also charged with the murders

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of Colette Wilson and Gloria Gonzalez.
Henry Doyle Schafflin Junior, the twenty two

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year old, a Vietnam veteran and
son of a US Air Force Master sergeant,

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confessed on me second, nineteen seventy
two to the murder of Alison Craven.

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Anthony Michael Napa Junior, twenty four, a Vietnam veteran, confessed on

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June sixth of nineteen seventy two to
be in present when Linda Sutherland was murdered,

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but claimed Lanham was the trigger man. So they're going back and forth

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between each other. Michael Lloyd's self. Now you talked about self as well

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in that soul, right, Yeah, he's definitely And I think you'll find

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that there's other people that were saying
Michael Lloyd self is the ones responsible for

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Johnson and Shaw. Oh well,
let me get there. I love it.

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I love it, Okay, So
your your solve comes up with self,

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but self isn't even that's not even
part of the information that you used

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right in the Sault. That had
nothing to do his name, Michael Lloyd's

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self was not any part of it. Just came up as self in the

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Sault. Yes, just antagramming.
I said that you wait a minute,

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and I looked it up. I
said, okay, yes, we have

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Michael Lloyd's self and I think,
you know, keep going, this is

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amazing. Yeah, So Michael Lloyd's
self twenty five, a gas station attendant,

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and a volunteer firefighter, confessed on
June ninth of nineteen seventy two to

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the murders of Ronda Johnson and Sharon
Shaw. All four men claim the statements

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were false and were the results of
coercion by law enforcement. Schafflin was under

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psychiatric Karen stated he was easily pressured. Self claimed that Donald Ray Morris,

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the Webster police chief, held a
gun to his head and demanded that he

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confess. Morris was arrested years later
moonlighting as a bank robber. Lenham and

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Lenham and Napa were tried separately but
at the same time in Brazouri County in

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October of nineteen seventy two, which
gained national media attention. Both men took

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the stand in their own defense,
with Lanham stating that Brissori County officials had

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made a deal with him to protect
his wife in exchange for his turning state

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evidence on Napa. It was also
his understanding that the second statement he signed

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on June ninth, which implicated himself, was just a formality that he that

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couldn't be used against him. Lanham
stated that the authorities had shafted him with

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lies. When Napa took the stand, he testified that the entire statement he

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signed on June sixth was false,
and he had written it while being coached

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by law enforcement after he'd been beaten. He further claimed that he'd been told

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that he might be shot while trying
to escape an ominous statement that would come

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true, but not for Napa.
So this goes back to, you know,

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how they were obtaining confessions from people. You know, That just tells

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me there's a possibility that some of
these law enforcement might have been involved in

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the killings if they're so interested false
conditions. Well, when we get to

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like Henry Lee Lucas and him attempting
to take credit for two hundred of these

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murders all over the United States,
under the watchful eye of the Texas Rangers,

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who's feeding them him with the information
that allows him to confess to things

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he didn't do. And it took
one very brave attorney to stand up and

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call these rangers out and say,
you didn't commit this crime. You couldn't

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have been here, because you were
here, you were locked up. But

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here you are confessing to all these
murders. And the Texas Rangers are looking

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like these glory hounds that are closing
all of these two hundred crimes and wiping

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them off law enforcement's books, when
all they're doing is feeding Henry le Lucas

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the information so that he can confess
to things he didn't do. So that's

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coming. We'll get to that one. But this is exactly down the rabbit

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hole that I wanted to explain to
everybody. But this is what they do,

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says what they did to Bill Hyron's
and the lipstick killing cases. Yeah,

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for sure, says the jury didn't
buy their stories, and on October

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twentieth, nineteen seventy two, the
jury came back with the goal verdict for

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boat defendants, with Lanam receiving twenty
five years and not a receiving fifty.

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Law enforcement had succeeded in getting two
of the worst killers off the streets,

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but that same evening, a fifteen
year old night and vanished after she left

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her family's home in Pasadena. Her
mutilated body was found three days later.

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After the trial, Lanam was transferred
to the Harris County Jail to await trial

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for the murders of Colette Wilson and
Gloria Gonzalez. Montgomery County officials were also

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in line, having dropped charges against
their suspect for Adel Crabtree's murder as the

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results of Lanham's confession. But on
December thirtieth, nineteen seventy two, Lanam

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was shot and killed by authorities while
trying to escape with two other convicts.

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Four days later, on January.
Four days later, on January third,

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nineteen seventy Kimberly Pitchford disappeared. So
clearly their stories they might have been telling

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the truth, right, like the
bodies are still coming up right that they

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definitely knew something so well, and
this is referring to them, This is

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referring to Lenham and knop Up.
You know, clearly these may not have

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been the suspects but this is who
they wanted to hang these crimes on,

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and they were looking like they were
trying to pin them all on them,

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when in fact, the murders continued
even after they were locked up and dead.

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Yeah yeah, huh. Wins towards
law enforcement being involved in some of

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them, or people with ties to
law enforcement, Well, you know,

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they get desperate to close these cases
and look again like glory hounds in the

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eyes of the public. And we
got to get these off of you know,

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get it off the shelf, and
we want the public to be proud

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of us. And we're just gonna
slam it on whoever we can slam it

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on. That's terrible police work,
that's a bad ethic. Yeah. Yeah,

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you want to solve the crimes,
you just put it over with to

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put it in a drawer. Henry
L. Lucas. They were trying to

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do two hundred and some murders on
one person, all right. So in

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January twenty seventhnineteen seventy three, I
found a suspect sample handwriting in which case

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they're asking the suspects to write portions
of the zodiac letters. This is one

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of two letters written by the same
person, and this one is dated nineteen

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seventy three, and then we have
another one that will come up in nineteen

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seventy four, and we get to
see some more attributes that they're looking for

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when they're asking for the sample.
So it's not necessarily that they're just looking

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for them to write portions of the
zodiac letters, but they're actually asking them

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to specifically write the bell top a, and we'll see that in the future.

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During this particular timeframe, February sixth, nineteen seventy three, Jack is

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kicked off of disability per his February
thirteenth, nineteen seventy four lawsuit. He

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does not have an income at this
point, and his attorney is requesting that

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he'd be recompensated for February through July
eighth of nineteen seventy three in that particular

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work comp case for disability that he
was not receiving. So Jack has no

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form of payment at this point.
He's not working. He's pretty much free

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to come and go as he pleases. And uh, every time we known

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Jack to be able to come and
go as he pleases, he's definitely back

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and forth visiting Mom, what was
the disability for what? And do you

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know what the entity was that he
worked for that was paying him. Uh,

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he was. It was a work
compsuit as far as I knew,

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against South Lake Tahoe Linen Company.
So he suffered some he claimed he claimed

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a work comp injury against them for
an injury in seventy two. Harriet thinks

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that this was him jumping out of
the plane is TV Cooper and injuring himself

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or and he was the linen driver
at the time, So yeah, and

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maybe that's where the somebody with Nixon
said, you know, go ahead,

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give him the company industry whatever,
you know what I mean, go ahead

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and give it to him, because
you know for cover of course, Well

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that brings to our back in Oakland
in February of nineteen seventy three, I

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don't actually let's see, but had
written in so Rose Cold February of nineteen

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seventy three was I abducted from Chinatown
and let's see. Rose Cold was last

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heard from in February nineteen seventy three, which was a letter that was mailed

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at the time, but had been
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two, which was her sixteenth birthday. It told her of having run away

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from Synonon. So probably like that
Synonon, is that like a recovery?

404
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.480
I did it some sort of cold
Yeah, that's what a lot of people

405
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:45.079
were saying. This a recovery and
a cult. Yeah. I didn't do

406
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:52.759
yet. Well, this one got
interesting because Stephen Dewhurst brought this particular person

407
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.839
into our lives. I didn't wasn't
aware of her. I didn't find anything.

408
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.279
I got this out of his book. So anyways, it says told

409
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.680
of her having run away from Synanon
in Oakland, California and living on the

410
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:07.160
streets of Chinatown. She mentions she
had been sick and that she thought she

411
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:10.039
had a kidney infection. She said
she would not be writing again until she

412
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:15.640
turned eighteen because she was afraid that
Synanon would find her. That's creepy mm

413
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:22.039
hmm, Like, are you forced
into this thing and then you can't get

414
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:22.920
away? They're going to hunt you, down, track you and bring you

415
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:30.079
back kind of thing. I told
psychol you they come after you, yea

416
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:35.119
at that age. Being at that
age, she would have been in the

417
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.319
custody of somebody. Somebody had to
be your guardian. At sixteen, you'd

418
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:47.319
think, yeah, well, so
this particular image right here is an image

419
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:52.799
that was in the one ten role
of film that was developed from Jack's belongings,

420
00:33:53.160 --> 00:34:00.759
and so Dewhurst had taken the actual
negatives and produce some of these.

421
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:05.279
So a background on Dohurst. He's
a professor that he was a professor at

422
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.239
Arizona State University. I'm not sure
if he still is or if he's there.

423
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:13.360
He bought the book rights from Dennis
to write about Jack and the Zodiac,

424
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.400
and he paid I think Dennis something
like fifty thousand dollars for it.

425
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:21.320
And then when he took these roles
or these negatives, when he was supposed

426
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:25.960
to process them, because I believe
that one of his main jobs was doing

427
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:32.400
photographic identification for things like NASA and
other entities that wanted to make out what's

428
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:39.199
in this picture, So he developed
he developed this particular negative and to me,

429
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:43.159
it always looked like this doll.
Right, you know which one I'm

430
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:47.719
talking about, Harriet. It looks
like a doll. It was one of

431
00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:51.920
the negatives. It was the one
that he said was Rose Cole. So

432
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:57.000
he believed Stephen Dewhurst believed that this
image was that of Rose Cole. There's

433
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:00.440
also this ominous figure over to the
right here that kind of scary almost as

434
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:06.039
this it's a man's head with blood
coming down on it. But again this

435
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.639
is just interpretation because it's so blurry
you can't really see what's going on.

436
00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:19.760
So that's what that's the company that
he was working with, very familiar with.

437
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.519
So I'm on the fence, whether
that's Rose cold or not, because

438
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.159
that's what that's what they were doing
from high up above. This is where

439
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:34.719
Terry b will understand, way high
up and people like Dewhurst were identifying what's

440
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:38.400
in those images. That's amazing that
Dohurst came into Dennis's life like that.

441
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:45.559
Anyway, skip going well, but
he also a what's that? Doers never

442
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:47.199
wrote the bo though, right,
even though he paid for the rights,

443
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:55.719
No, he wrote the book.
He also failed to return many of Dennis's

444
00:35:55.760 --> 00:36:04.159
negatives. So he processed would Dennis
as it asked for it back Stephen Doers

445
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.880
denied him of it. That's one
of their falling outs. That's why they

446
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:10.840
stopped talking and working together, because
he was withholding evidence from Dennis that Dennis

447
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:15.480
had wanted and he was merely supposed
to just process those images and then you

448
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:19.599
know, maybe comment on them,
see what he found. But he ended

449
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:24.800
up keeping the majority of him in
that upset Dennis. All right, how

450
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:30.599
everyone keeps evidence in this case and
Dennis and you never get it back.

451
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:36.920
I watched so much evidence to just
be taken from Dennis on a constant basis.

452
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.440
Everybody had their hand in the pot
and everybody walked the opposite direction with

453
00:36:39.519 --> 00:36:43.800
it, and then it was never
to be found again. Yeah, the

454
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.519
Hood, all right, so the
Hood keep going? Yeah, the Hood,

455
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:50.800
the Hood. You know, if
FBI says that there's no DNA on

456
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.599
it, they can't find anything that
would allow them to make an identification,

457
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:58.559
and they're not convinced that it is
part of the case, then why keep

458
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:02.480
it? Why not return it?
Mm hmm yeah right. Anyways, Yeah,

459
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:06.239
that that was the most amazing thing. And when you look in the

460
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:12.920
book that Doers did publish, you'll
see clear details of how the cross in

461
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:19.199
the circle is sown. Like I
think it's there's some information out there online

462
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:24.880
somewhere that only specifically described the yellow
thread and everything. I mean. So,

463
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:30.320
yeah, the Hood. The Hood
disappeared, but the truth didn't.

464
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.119
The Hood didn't disappear. It went
to the FBI. It was just never

465
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:36.159
returned, even though they said they
did testing on it and couldn't find anything

466
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:37.960
that would allow it to be tied
to the murders. That's what I'm saying.

467
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:43.519
It disappeared. It was supposed to
go back to you know anyways.

468
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:47.960
But yeah, what's the title?
What's the title of the doers? Book?

469
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:59.039
Involved Double of the Southwest Wind,
Demon of the South Right, And

470
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:02.199
I'm pretty sure I have book.
If anybody wants to read it, it's

471
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.679
it's it's more of him pontificating about
himself and his position in this whole zodiac

472
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:12.840
spago where he was his family blah
blah blah blah blah, while he throws

473
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:17.000
in a little bit about Jack and
the zodiac. Wow. All right.

474
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:21.719
So that brings us to our next
murder, which is March second of nineteen

475
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:25.320
seventy three. It says she was
missing to March twelfth, so ten days

476
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:30.239
nineteen seventy three, was found Susan
McLaughlin, eighteen days before vernal equinox.

477
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:36.679
And she's found in Kyber's, California, which is the area up up towards

478
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:43.719
where Jack is about to move to. So Mount Auckham, right, yep.

479
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:52.719
So Kyber's is up fifty right,
something like you're right, yeah,

480
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:59.519
past classible gotcha? Oh yeah.
So then and I'm pretty sure that that's

481
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.760
the area Pollock Pines area where Mount
Aukham is that they're just about to move

482
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:07.239
to. Anyway, So it says
body of slain co had found near Kuybers.

483
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.679
Susan G. McLaughlin, a nineteen
year old college student, left the

484
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:16.480
Berkeley campus of the University of California
Friday, March second, just before noon.

485
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:22.519
Her almost nude body was found Saturday
morning about two miles east of Kiber's

486
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:27.559
by a couple of pine cone gatherers
from British Columbia. She had been stabbed

487
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.000
in the back and chest, one
one pierced her heart. How did she

488
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:36.639
get there? And more importantly with
whom also when? So she's literally coming

489
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.559
out of the Berkeley campus and ends
up in Kuyber's. This is that kind

490
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:46.159
of circle of proximity that I see
going on with these murders, where the

491
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:52.440
abduction and then the dump is within
about a two hour circumference of each other,

492
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:57.519
but still within the vicinity vicinity or
within a two hour radius of where

493
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:07.000
Jack's living and says she was a
college student. Left Berkeley campus of the

494
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:12.159
University of California on Friday, March
second, so she was in Berkeley going

495
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:15.079
to school. Which, oh,
let me see if we get to that.

496
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:22.239
Sheriff Ernest Carlson says that she was
murdered where she was found a steep,

497
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:28.519
heavily timbered area about one hundred and
fifty yards north of US fifty,

498
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.159
above an old, abandoned section of
the highway. So this brings me back

499
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:36.960
to like the DC Freeway phantom stuff
where he's doing dumps near overpasses in the

500
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.559
freeway, which is also the I
forty five murders. Again because it's related

501
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:45.800
to a freeway. Carlson says,
the girl apparently did not struggle with her

502
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:49.719
killer pine needles on the ground seemed
undisturbed, but it was, but it

503
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.360
has rained and snowed during the week
before she was found, and this could

504
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:58.159
account for the fact that no footprints
or other tracks were observed at the scene.

505
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.719
It is not yet known whether she
was sexually molested, but it seems

506
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:06.960
likely because some of her clothes were
cut off and scattered nearby. Investigators believe

507
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.960
she may have been held captive for
a time because there were adhesive tape marks

508
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:16.079
on her wrists and the sleeves of
her dark brown swede jacket which she was

509
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:21.239
still wearing. No tape was found. Neither was the death weapon, believed

510
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.159
to be a double edged dagger type
knife. Now that double edged dagger type

511
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:34.280
knife reminds me of the report of
the Lake barriesa stuff bayonet style right military

512
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:38.159
weapons. Right. So, according
to the preliminary autopsy report, she had

513
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:42.760
been dead two to four days,
but this has been revised up to six

514
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.719
days. However, it hasn't been
ruled out that she died the day she

515
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.920
was abducted, during that night or
the following morning. Her backpack was found

516
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.679
Saturday, March third, about eight
miles from the body. Again, we

517
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.920
have a separation of personal belongings,
you know, and we've seen this in

518
00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:01.199
the Santa Cruz where some of the
Santa Cruz dumps where their belongings were found

519
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:06.800
dropped on the way to Santa Cruz
where the body ends up being dumped.

520
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:13.679
One report from a car toward the
river, but another report says that it

521
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.119
was turned in by a sand Encelmo
man who found it on top of a

522
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:22.039
bathroom at Alder Creek campground. So
now we have the campground relation the man

523
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:27.079
who had been staying at a cabin. There is to be questioned regarding the

524
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.719
exact spot where the pack was located. That the pack belonged to Miss McLaughlin

525
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:36.880
was not determined until after her body
was found. Miss McLaughlin, an attractive,

526
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.400
striking blonde with green eyes, five
foot eleven and weighing one hundred and

527
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.079
forty pounds, was planning to go
to Sacramento for the weekend, as she

528
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.480
did almost every weekend. So now
we have back to a Sacramento relation.

529
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:57.039
So she was last sea something.
Let's see what that says for the weekend,

530
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.519
as she did almost every weekend.
Her mother, Betty twins, Robin

531
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.199
younger, sister Wendy ten, and
brother Bruce seventeen all lived in Sacramento.

532
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:09.239
Good call Nolan, so does her
boyfriend. Her father is is a structural

533
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:16.159
engineer in Indonesia. He is not
he has been notified. Private cremation services

534
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:21.599
were held Tuesday at East Lawn in
Sacramento. Detectives are almost certain that she

535
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.519
took a bus to Sacramento. She
may have started to hitchhike then, or

536
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:29.079
did she call someone to pick her
up. Authorities have it ruled out that

537
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:34.440
she obtained a ride in the Bay
area. Also, was more than one

538
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.079
person involved in her abduction? Did
she spend and then I lost the rest

539
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:42.159
of that article. Don't have that
to continue Either way, we have now

540
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.880
the Sacramento relation that makes her closer
to Kyber's. Now makes even more sense

541
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:50.920
if she had actually made it to
Sacramento before she was abducted and then ended

542
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.400
up in Kuyber's. That's that's screaming
Jack all day long. He is definitely

543
00:43:54.440 --> 00:44:02.800
in this area, all right,
So so so what's that Even though she

544
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:07.800
was partially nude and her clothes were
found here and there, it's not conclusive

545
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.519
whether she was sexually assaulted, right, correct, Yeah, it is not

546
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:17.679
indicating that. At the same time, we still leave a message. It's

547
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:22.559
leaving a cryptic message. And I
believe that that was one of the reasons

548
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.880
why she was originally on Robert gray
Smith's zodiac list. What happened to his

549
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:32.079
zodiac list? Everything's changed the last
twenty years anyways, that's my input,

550
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:36.639
Derek. I haven't done her yet, but listening to all those clues,

551
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:40.719
that was the reasons why she ended
up on the Gray Smith's list right right,

552
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:43.880
she is one of the people on
his list, and that's how I

553
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:46.960
came across many of these particular individuals. At the same time. We still

554
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.079
have it April nineteen seventy three,
Charlie Chopoff is still working over little boys

555
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.480
in the New York area. Again, I did not attribute this to the

556
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.920
Zodiac killer. It was just another
serial killing spree that was going on at

557
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.559
same time that I threw in here, and it was two nine year old

558
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:06.840
boys, Wendell Hubbard and Lewis Ortiz, would be stabbed to death before having

559
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:09.679
their penises removed, which led to
the killer being nicknamed Charlie chop Off.

560
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:16.199
And not like questions real quick ones
do eis review recall what kind of knife

561
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:24.559
was supposedly allegedly used in the Lake
Bury s attacks. Brian Hartnell described it

562
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:29.400
a couple times. In some cases
he talked about there being rivets, He

563
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:34.119
talked about it being a bayonet style
black knife, but then again talked about

564
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.000
it being a wooden handle with rivets
that had tape on it. So the

565
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:43.840
information is back and forth. But
the Zodiac definitely had a knife, obviously

566
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.519
on one hip and his gun,
which that's a Jack thing all day long,

567
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:54.559
single names. Though. Now I
think it's a glock. I have

568
00:45:54.639 --> 00:46:00.079
to look like site actually integram the
if. That's where I got the idea

569
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:06.440
of antagramming the evidence the description.
So I think it's a glock. What's

570
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:12.719
a glock? Oh? The knife, it's a particular glock knife used you

571
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:16.480
know for in hunting and and fishing, you know, like if you're going

572
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:23.639
to the lake. I have to
look at that no single edged knife right

573
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:29.360
right, So that brings us to
April twenty second of nineteen seventy three.

574
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:34.239
We have Easter pictures with Nora and
the family, and I know that Jack

575
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.159
is present at this point in time
because additional pictures with these couples in it,

576
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.519
with the baby and so forth,
are seen in front of a truck,

577
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:44.239
and then beyond that truck we can
actually see Dawn, who is Jack's

578
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:50.960
brother. So I know that these
pictures are definitely showing the presence of Jack

579
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:54.440
now, and this may be the
plate well Dennis remembered them moving to Mount

580
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:59.199
Aucam in nineteen seventy four, but
this is obviously not the apartment that Nora

581
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:04.400
was living in when Jack actually met
Nora and the family, So I don't

582
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.280
know if they're at someone else's house
at this point or if this turns out

583
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.360
to be the house that they actually
purchased when they moved to Mount Aukham,

584
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:17.119
but nice wooded area. We had
a couple more murders in the San Francisco

585
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:22.280
area. On May twenty ninth,
nineteen seventy three, Rosavasquez on Arguello Boulevard

586
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:27.519
at the entrance of the Golden Gate
Park, San Francisco, California. Which

587
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:32.119
is interesting because Criminal Minds was one
of those ones that did a a episode

588
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:37.000
on a copycat of the Zodiac Killer, and that's where they talked about clues

589
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.519
being left from one crime being planted
at the next crime. It was the

590
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.960
first time I heard of that,
and then started seeing that the Zodiac talked

591
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:49.199
about leaving clues and that he had
left clues and all of this stuff,

592
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:52.400
kind of making it all make a
little bit of sense. But I thought

593
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.840
this was interesting because it was at
the Golden Gate Park. This is on

594
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:59.320
the murder map for Sandy Betts.
She was twenty years old, worked for

595
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.679
Letterman Army General Hospital, is a
key punch operator in the Presidio where Paul

596
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:12.000
Stein was killed. Donald last worked
also at Letterman Army General Hospital and worked

597
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:15.840
there until June of nineteen seventy before
she moved to South Lake Tahoe and became

598
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:21.000
a victim herself. The Zodiac thirteenth
Victim card actually had key punch holes for

599
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.239
thirteen victims in it that had been
mailed earlier. So we've already seen this

600
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:30.599
particular card. Okay, well,
I'm going to have to pick this one

601
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:32.159
up. We've got one minute left
at this point. But we can just

602
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:37.039
pick this one up next week and
continue on with the interesting information about the

603
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.119
key punch because I know Harriet has
a lot to say about that, right,

604
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yes, I do. Is there
anything anybody would like to add me

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first? Because my god, kudos
to you. Terry B. No,

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Terry B. The Goldman Sax two
thousand and seven. That is an amazing

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no no, no, no,
no no no no. I know I

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don't have time. I meant like
sign up kind of thing we have.

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We have less than a minute now, and we don't. I want to

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say everybody have a wonderful weekend.
Stay cool. It's roasting here if you're

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in California. But stay inside that
ac and stay hydrated. Everybody, have

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a good week. We'll see you
next Friday.