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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back
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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.
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I'm going to be taught talking with you today about
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the end of nineteen seventy four, as we start to
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see Jack Terrence transition into Minnesota. I'd like to first
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welcome Harriet Soouchet to the show today.
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Yes, good morning, Good morning.
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It's going good. It's going good. Putting this stuff together
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last night, obviously revealing more and more information. I started
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with some YouTube comments, and of course I know Terry
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B doesn't find miss Vanorak to be somebody I should
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be following. He's mentioned that he felt that individual was
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kind of off on some track. But I do get
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these posts, and I do feel like I want to
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at least explore some of the thoughts and see if
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there's anything you yourself. Harriet knows about them. The first
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one she says is, I've got it as far back
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as King Dirty Birdie and his mistress Lily Langtree, who
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came to America with her acting career. Wasn't all about
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murdering those That sounds like a headline to like some
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sitcom from the nineteen sixties, right, And wasn't all about
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murder in those days When Zodiac says by Rope, I
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think he hauled his victims up into trees and that
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is why they find skulls and sometimes nothing more. I
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keep getting the word pulley in myselves, so I don't
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know what solves the person's talking about, but he wouldn't
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need one, of course, but the recurring word gave me
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the idea. So I thought that was interesting to talk
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about because, of course, by Rope, we've had some hangings
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and they literally found Oh, good morning, Nolan, Welcome to
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the show.
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Good morning Nolan. That was the going I have about
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Lily Langtry.
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What's that?
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I have something very big dadd about Lily Langtry. She
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did a Lake County She was a Lake County residence
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in the late nineteenth century. I have really one of
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her dressers. Yeah, there's a right there, going way back
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to the late eighteen hundreds, I think, early nineteen hundreds,
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and then we're then covering that era of that particular
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stamp that Jack keeps on chasing from nineteen o eight. So, okay,
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whoever that person, they're smelling something, they're a bloodhound, they're
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onto something.
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Go ahead, No one, I know she was a real person.
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And there was a movie called Life and Time Judge
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Royd Bean in the seventies with Paul Newman playing the
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judge and Lily Langtree was he works He idolized her,
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and so I thought she was just a character that
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maybe I didn't know she was real. He was a performer.
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She was a vaudeville performer, that type of deal.
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Yeah, yeah, there's her acting career. So does anybody know
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who Dean King Dirty Birdie is?
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No, that could probably be somebody associated with Lily Langtree.
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Right, well, it is. It's a mistress. Was Lily Langtree?
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It says, so, well, that's probably as much we'll get
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from that one. The next one was somebody at MP
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T O m A eight five five seven said Hi,
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did you hear about Joe bevil oqua surname translate drink
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water an ex cid agent. Has anybody heard of that person?
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No, I think that's a character of Sandfels.
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Was that sounds very very UK fight.
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Though, drink water well. And Miss Vanerak then says this
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is a repeat upload. They're too exactly the same, and
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it seems like an upload is missing instead. So I'm
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not sure if twenty is a issue. Saying twenty is
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a repeat of nineteen, I'm assuming so, so maybe I
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need to take a look at that. But I'd identified
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the first event as Mary Jane van gil Her, who
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worked at a military base. Her letter T was curly
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and upside down. I don't understand what that means. Her
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letter T was curly an upside down because who writes
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a tea upside down? But by zodiac as a symbol
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in one of the ciphers. I think she was a twin,
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but maybe she didn't know it. Someone forged her letter
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to her daughter requesting the war bonds returned incidents of
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twins as genetic and she had a stillborn twin herself,
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so her twins sister assumed her identity and Mary Jane
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was somehow sent to Dualist Memorial Institute mk Ultra in Canada,
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and it was her body found in nearby Woodland.
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That person's onto something. That's that's hitting stuff I've read
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over the last year or so, trying to do the
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souls I've been doing. Yeah, Okay, they're onto something.
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Do they know who her twin was? That?
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What's that? Yeah, that's that's I'm just saying that Zodiac
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we think is just local California, whatever, when I see
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it expanding all the way out into the United Kingdom Russia,
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I mean, it's the Intaeil community as a whole. And
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then of course you got mk Ultra, which is it's
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the intail community. So this presson is onto something. Sounds crazy,
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but it's not as crazy as it really sounds.
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Nah. Well, she responds to episode one thirty four, The
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Zodiac Killer solves an exorcist letter. I think the important
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thing is her dot dot dot dot dog Corgycox like
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Corgy is an Indian language writing system Asian, I don't
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understand this person's writing. Cox is a variety of Apple
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Newton's theory on gravity anti gravity flight. In this case,
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the symbol he uses as a k placed anyway up
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are the crop marks used on photographs when they were
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being used in the press. On your upload about crime
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surrounding Sherry Joe Bates, you missed out Vernons. You missed
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out Vernon c Smith shot in San Miguel Lito Canyon
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the day before or after the Edwards, Domingas. Smith was
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a quarry worker, So despite Zodiac drawing diagrams of agricultural
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fertilizer based bombs, dynamite could have been acquired from the quarry.
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Does any of that make any sense to you? I
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understand the case Garry b showed us in the Black
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Dahlia era how they used the case to mark crop
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marks on photographs. Do you guys remember that?
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Yeah? Yeah, So it's again it sounds sounds quite crazy,
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but when you start thinking of it, it's not as
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crazy as it sounds. Because Jack and his dynamite. Dennis
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said Jack had some old dynamite.
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Yes, Jack is going to be going to Minnesota, which
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is where he purchases that dynamite, and then he has
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to dispose of it when he's in Texas because it's unstable.
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So we haven't gotten to that point yet. And they're
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talking about as early as Domingus and Edwards murders. So
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but I have had quarries fall in line with a
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lot of this information, rock quarries and demolition areas and
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things like that, because that was all mob stuff back then.
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I mean that's where they would bury the bodies, right.
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So ms van Rat goes on to say, now I
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think you're getting to it. TIMEX were manufactured in Dundee, Scotland.
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The FBI were involved in a couple of missing murders
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in East Angla, UK, which is where American military forces
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were stationed during the Cold War. April fab went missing
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in nineteen sixty eight and I have seen a mock
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up Monticello pace card from Zodiac with the words who
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put April in the woods? And then in nineteen seventy
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fourst there was the Cockley Clay headless corpse who has
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never been identified. A few years ago she was exhumed
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and fully tested and bonehair analysis showed that she had
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lived for some time in Dundee, Scotland. Dundee not only
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had time X but also manufactured for NCR National Cash Registers.
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Dundee also had a financial center as it was a
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major port jute imported from India and rope manufacturing in
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Canadian trades, and the largest investment company was the Dundee
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in Oregon, something company alliance. Don't quote me. I think
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that this could be a source as much as one
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hundred and fifty years ago, people trafficking and more. The
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Obscene Publication Acts nineteen fifty nine is for England and Wales,
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but not Scotland. I'm thinking that this is why Jimmy
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Seville had his hide had his hideaway cottage in Scotland,
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and a sign and a dollar symbol together woven into
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his autograph, along with excessive use of exclamation marks such
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as do my thing. There's got to be money in
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it somewhere. As you said, Terrence had an impressive house
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at one point beyond his salary. Really any comments on
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that one?
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Yeah, they're onto something. Okay that all those places you named,
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I've covered them when I'm trying to figure out what
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these solves are in the UK, Oh my god, so
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much nineteen forties. The people that were involved anyways, just
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keep going.
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So I find it interesting that all these different countries
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believe that the zodiac was a member of their country.
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We've heard people talk about saying that they came the
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zodiac came from Saudi Arabia. We see a lot of
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UK involvement and interest in this particular case. And of
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course we now see miss Vanerak who's talking a lot
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about these other countries that these people came from. But
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she's as much as one hundred and fifty years ago.
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It's not beyond me to think that this group has
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existed far longer than we actually know. Yeah. Yeah, then
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it's an ongoing I mean, it's it's ran by the
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family as far as yes.
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Yes, did Jack do anyone's knowledge have any association with
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scientology already? Uh? Kind of uh Satanic sex or anything
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like that. Uh do you know anything like that?
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I have not heard anything. How about you, Harriet?
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Uh? Now, just the loose connections to to the you know,
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Bruce Bruce Davis and the Manson family. But you know
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that was also connected somehow, and I think Nolan will
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agree the the c i A Orange Sunshine, the LSD
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stuff that they were you know, giving out here, that
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was really c I A stuff. So so, but that
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was definitely prominent with with Manson and the family. That's
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Datus I think it goes.
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Was pretty heavy into scientology, and he spent time in
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England right before the Tate lobbyers, and part of what
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he was doing was and recruit people to come back
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to the United States to be part of the Manson plan,
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but also he was delving into scientology over there as well.
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Yes, there is that he was.
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He was Manson's right hand man, and they lived quite
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a bit alike too, Brus Davis and Manson.
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I can see his face right now with the with
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the the Nazi looking symbols carved into his forehead. As
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far as that's how much I know about the Manson family.
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People right at MP Thoma eight five five seven responded
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to one of my reels and said, here's some Simeon someone.
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I think it must have meant to say someone think
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that Zodiac and the Italian Monster of Florence could be
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the same person. You can search something about the Italian
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journalist Francesco and Maconi. So I'm not sure why pointing
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me out to a journalist other than obviously we have
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media newspapers involved with all of this, almost as if
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to say that these journalists and the media were going
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out there creating stories by doing what they did, because
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I mean, these murders and this type of news would
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sell newspapers and lots of them. I had actually entered
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in some stuff from the Monster of Florence, but I
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had not actually followed up. I just placed it in
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my presentation, so I thought I would look up to
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see what she was talking about. So here we have
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somebody wanting to put the Zodiac killer connected to the Florence,
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Italy couple's murders as well. I need to go back
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and see how this plays in, but I'm pretty sure
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that on August twenty eighth of nineteen sixty eight, when
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this couple was murdered, this is right in between we
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had let's see, or this is right before things begin
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with the Zodiac, correct. I'm trying to think here will yeah,
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Christmas first Christmas, then July then.
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Well as far as Zodiac, yeah, but Jack is pretty
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active in sixty eight, but I wouldn't say he was
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there in Florence, Italy because we're trying to stop what's
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happening with MLK. MLK dies and then they didn't stop
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what happened with Bobby Kennedy. So that's that timeframe. But gotcha.
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I wanted to see how this goes play back in chronologically,
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just to see. But let's see if this person's even correct,
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because this is kind of the basis for this murder.
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Victims Antonio Lobianco, which is interesting because we had the
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Lombianca murders right back here and Barbara Loki. So on
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the night of twenty first August nineteen sixty eight, mason
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worker Antonio Lobiankio and homemaker Barbara Loki were shot to
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death with a twenty two handgun Insigna, a small town
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to the west of Florence. The couple were attacked in
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their car while Loki's son, Natalino mel lay asleep in
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the back seat. Upon waking up and finding his mother dead,
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the child fled in fright and reached a nearby house. Loki,
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a native of Sardinia, had been well known in the town,
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receiving the nickname Ape Regina Queen Bee. Her old husband,
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Stefano Melli, was eventually charged with the murder and spent
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six years in prison. However, while he was imprisoned, another