Aug. 9, 2024

Murders Begin to Ramp Up and Jack’s Whereabouts

Murders Begin to Ramp Up and Jack’s Whereabouts

We are seeing murders ramp up, but none of them overlap so as to make it impossible for a serial killer to be on the move. Murders pop up in Minnesota where Jack and the family will be moving to in the next year. We see I-45 Killer in Texas, another...

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We are seeing murders ramp up, but none of them overlap so as to make it impossible for a serial killer to be on the move. Murders pop up in Minnesota where Jack and the family will be moving to in the next year. We see I-45 Killer in Texas, another similar murder in Albany, New York, and what will soon be the end of California murders for a period that Jack Tarrance is not residing here. Jack is still having issues obtaining his disability benefits and Worker’s Compensation pay.

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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'm going to be taught talking with you today about

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the end of nineteen seventy four, as we start to

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see Jack Terrence transition into Minnesota. I'd like to first

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welcome Harriet Soouchet to the show today.

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Yes, good morning, Good morning.

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It's going good. It's going good. Putting this stuff together

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last night, obviously revealing more and more information. I started

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with some YouTube comments, and of course I know Terry

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B doesn't find miss Vanorak to be somebody I should

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be following. He's mentioned that he felt that individual was

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kind of off on some track. But I do get

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these posts, and I do feel like I want to

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at least explore some of the thoughts and see if

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there's anything you yourself. Harriet knows about them. The first

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one she says is, I've got it as far back

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as King Dirty Birdie and his mistress Lily Langtree, who

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came to America with her acting career. Wasn't all about

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murdering those That sounds like a headline to like some

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sitcom from the nineteen sixties, right, And wasn't all about

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murder in those days When Zodiac says by Rope, I

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think he hauled his victims up into trees and that

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is why they find skulls and sometimes nothing more. I

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keep getting the word pulley in myselves, so I don't

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know what solves the person's talking about, but he wouldn't

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need one, of course, but the recurring word gave me

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the idea. So I thought that was interesting to talk

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about because, of course, by Rope, we've had some hangings

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and they literally found Oh, good morning, Nolan, Welcome to

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the show.

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Good morning Nolan. That was the going I have about

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Lily Langtry.

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What's that?

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I have something very big dadd about Lily Langtry. She

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did a Lake County She was a Lake County residence

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in the late nineteenth century. I have really one of

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her dressers. Yeah, there's a right there, going way back

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to the late eighteen hundreds, I think, early nineteen hundreds,

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and then we're then covering that era of that particular

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stamp that Jack keeps on chasing from nineteen o eight. So, okay,

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whoever that person, they're smelling something, they're a bloodhound, they're

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onto something.

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Go ahead, No one, I know she was a real person.

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And there was a movie called Life and Time Judge

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Royd Bean in the seventies with Paul Newman playing the

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judge and Lily Langtree was he works He idolized her,

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and so I thought she was just a character that

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maybe I didn't know she was real. He was a performer.

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She was a vaudeville performer, that type of deal.

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Yeah, yeah, there's her acting career. So does anybody know

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who Dean King Dirty Birdie is?

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No, that could probably be somebody associated with Lily Langtree.

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Right, well, it is. It's a mistress. Was Lily Langtree?

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It says, so, well, that's probably as much we'll get

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from that one. The next one was somebody at MP

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T O m A eight five five seven said Hi,

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did you hear about Joe bevil oqua surname translate drink

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water an ex cid agent. Has anybody heard of that person?

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No, I think that's a character of Sandfels.

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Was that sounds very very UK fight.

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Though, drink water well. And Miss Vanerak then says this

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is a repeat upload. They're too exactly the same, and

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it seems like an upload is missing instead. So I'm

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not sure if twenty is a issue. Saying twenty is

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a repeat of nineteen, I'm assuming so, so maybe I

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need to take a look at that. But I'd identified

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the first event as Mary Jane van gil Her, who

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worked at a military base. Her letter T was curly

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and upside down. I don't understand what that means. Her

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letter T was curly an upside down because who writes

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a tea upside down? But by zodiac as a symbol

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in one of the ciphers. I think she was a twin,

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but maybe she didn't know it. Someone forged her letter

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to her daughter requesting the war bonds returned incidents of

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twins as genetic and she had a stillborn twin herself,

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so her twins sister assumed her identity and Mary Jane

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was somehow sent to Dualist Memorial Institute mk Ultra in Canada,

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and it was her body found in nearby Woodland.

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That person's onto something. That's that's hitting stuff I've read

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over the last year or so, trying to do the

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souls I've been doing. Yeah, Okay, they're onto something.

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Do they know who her twin was? That?

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What's that? Yeah, that's that's I'm just saying that Zodiac

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we think is just local California, whatever, when I see

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it expanding all the way out into the United Kingdom Russia,

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I mean, it's the Intaeil community as a whole. And

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then of course you got mk Ultra, which is it's

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the intail community. So this presson is onto something. Sounds crazy,

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but it's not as crazy as it really sounds.

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Nah. Well, she responds to episode one thirty four, The

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Zodiac Killer solves an exorcist letter. I think the important

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thing is her dot dot dot dot dog Corgycox like

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Corgy is an Indian language writing system Asian, I don't

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understand this person's writing. Cox is a variety of Apple

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Newton's theory on gravity anti gravity flight. In this case,

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the symbol he uses as a k placed anyway up

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are the crop marks used on photographs when they were

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being used in the press. On your upload about crime

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surrounding Sherry Joe Bates, you missed out Vernons. You missed

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out Vernon c Smith shot in San Miguel Lito Canyon

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the day before or after the Edwards, Domingas. Smith was

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a quarry worker, So despite Zodiac drawing diagrams of agricultural

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fertilizer based bombs, dynamite could have been acquired from the quarry.

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Does any of that make any sense to you? I

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understand the case Garry b showed us in the Black

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Dahlia era how they used the case to mark crop

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marks on photographs. Do you guys remember that?

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Yeah? Yeah, So it's again it sounds sounds quite crazy,

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but when you start thinking of it, it's not as

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crazy as it sounds. Because Jack and his dynamite. Dennis

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said Jack had some old dynamite.

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Yes, Jack is going to be going to Minnesota, which

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is where he purchases that dynamite, and then he has

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to dispose of it when he's in Texas because it's unstable.

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So we haven't gotten to that point yet. And they're

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talking about as early as Domingus and Edwards murders. So

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but I have had quarries fall in line with a

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lot of this information, rock quarries and demolition areas and

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things like that, because that was all mob stuff back then.

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I mean that's where they would bury the bodies, right.

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Yeah, yep.

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So ms van Rat goes on to say, now I

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think you're getting to it. TIMEX were manufactured in Dundee, Scotland.

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The FBI were involved in a couple of missing murders

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in East Angla, UK, which is where American military forces

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were stationed during the Cold War. April fab went missing

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in nineteen sixty eight and I have seen a mock

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up Monticello pace card from Zodiac with the words who

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put April in the woods? And then in nineteen seventy

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fourst there was the Cockley Clay headless corpse who has

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never been identified. A few years ago she was exhumed

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and fully tested and bonehair analysis showed that she had

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lived for some time in Dundee, Scotland. Dundee not only

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had time X but also manufactured for NCR National Cash Registers.

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Dundee also had a financial center as it was a

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major port jute imported from India and rope manufacturing in

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Canadian trades, and the largest investment company was the Dundee

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in Oregon, something company alliance. Don't quote me. I think

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that this could be a source as much as one

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hundred and fifty years ago, people trafficking and more. The

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Obscene Publication Acts nineteen fifty nine is for England and Wales,

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but not Scotland. I'm thinking that this is why Jimmy

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Seville had his hide had his hideaway cottage in Scotland,

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and a sign and a dollar symbol together woven into

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his autograph, along with excessive use of exclamation marks such

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as do my thing. There's got to be money in

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it somewhere. As you said, Terrence had an impressive house

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at one point beyond his salary. Really any comments on

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that one?

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Yeah, they're onto something. Okay that all those places you named,

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I've covered them when I'm trying to figure out what

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these solves are in the UK, Oh my god, so

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much nineteen forties. The people that were involved anyways, just

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keep going.

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Well.

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So I find it interesting that all these different countries

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believe that the zodiac was a member of their country.

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We've heard people talk about saying that they came the

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zodiac came from Saudi Arabia. We see a lot of

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UK involvement and interest in this particular case. And of

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course we now see miss Vanerak who's talking a lot

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about these other countries that these people came from. But

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she's as much as one hundred and fifty years ago.

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It's not beyond me to think that this group has

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existed far longer than we actually know. Yeah. Yeah, then

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it's an ongoing I mean, it's it's ran by the

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family as far as yes.

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Yes, did Jack do anyone's knowledge have any association with

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scientology already? Uh? Kind of uh Satanic sex or anything

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like that. Uh do you know anything like that?

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I have not heard anything. How about you, Harriet?

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Uh? Now, just the loose connections to to the you know,

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Bruce Bruce Davis and the Manson family. But you know

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that was also connected somehow, and I think Nolan will

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agree the the c i A Orange Sunshine, the LSD

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stuff that they were you know, giving out here, that

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was really c I A stuff. So so, but that

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was definitely prominent with with Manson and the family. That's

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Datus I think it goes.

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Was pretty heavy into scientology, and he spent time in

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England right before the Tate lobbyers, and part of what

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he was doing was and recruit people to come back

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to the United States to be part of the Manson plan,

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but also he was delving into scientology over there as well.

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Yes, there is that he was.

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He was Manson's right hand man, and they lived quite

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a bit alike too, Brus Davis and Manson.

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I can see his face right now with the with

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the the Nazi looking symbols carved into his forehead. As

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far as that's how much I know about the Manson family.

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People right at MP Thoma eight five five seven responded

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to one of my reels and said, here's some Simeon someone.

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I think it must have meant to say someone think

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that Zodiac and the Italian Monster of Florence could be

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the same person. You can search something about the Italian

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journalist Francesco and Maconi. So I'm not sure why pointing

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me out to a journalist other than obviously we have

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media newspapers involved with all of this, almost as if

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to say that these journalists and the media were going

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out there creating stories by doing what they did, because

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I mean, these murders and this type of news would

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sell newspapers and lots of them. I had actually entered

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in some stuff from the Monster of Florence, but I

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had not actually followed up. I just placed it in

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my presentation, so I thought I would look up to

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see what she was talking about. So here we have

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somebody wanting to put the Zodiac killer connected to the Florence,

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Italy couple's murders as well. I need to go back

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and see how this plays in, but I'm pretty sure

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that on August twenty eighth of nineteen sixty eight, when

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this couple was murdered, this is right in between we

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had let's see, or this is right before things begin

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with the Zodiac, correct. I'm trying to think here will yeah,

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Christmas first Christmas, then July then.

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Well as far as Zodiac, yeah, but Jack is pretty

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active in sixty eight, but I wouldn't say he was

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there in Florence, Italy because we're trying to stop what's

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happening with MLK. MLK dies and then they didn't stop

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what happened with Bobby Kennedy. So that's that timeframe. But gotcha.

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I wanted to see how this goes play back in chronologically,

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just to see. But let's see if this person's even correct,

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because this is kind of the basis for this murder.

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Victims Antonio Lobianco, which is interesting because we had the

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Lombianca murders right back here and Barbara Loki. So on

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the night of twenty first August nineteen sixty eight, mason

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worker Antonio Lobiankio and homemaker Barbara Loki were shot to

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death with a twenty two handgun Insigna, a small town

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to the west of Florence. The couple were attacked in

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their car while Loki's son, Natalino mel lay asleep in

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the back seat. Upon waking up and finding his mother dead,

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the child fled in fright and reached a nearby house. Loki,

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a native of Sardinia, had been well known in the town,

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receiving the nickname Ape Regina Queen Bee. Her old husband,

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Stefano Melli, was eventually charged with the murder and spent

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six years in prison. However, while he was imprisoned, another

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couple was murdered, apparently with the same gun. This is

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just disgusting that they go and they arrest these people

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and they go to prison for crimes they didn't commit.

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Several lovers of Loki's were suspected to be perpetrators of

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the crime. Even Stefano stated on several occasions that one

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of them had killed her, but no evidence was found,

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as other murders were committed while they were in prison.

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In nineteen eighty two, the murders of Lobianco and Loki

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were linked to the more recent murders based on a

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tip from an anonymous writer who had possibly signed himself

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on Citadino Amico a friendly citizen. So I can see

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why they're putting some together in a letter.

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To the police, go ahead, sorry, it begins to sound

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like Jack right there.

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I know. On the twentieth of July nineteen eighty two,

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examining magistrate Vincenzo Tricomi found five bullets and five shell

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casings inappropriately stored in a folder among records of Melli's

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case file. Authorities were unable to reconstruct the chain of

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custody of those pieces of evidence and did not request

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a scientific comparison, even though it would have been necessary

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to check whether they matched the ballistic report from nineteen

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sixty eight, as the spent cartridges were fired by a

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gun used in four similar crimes. Their presence in the

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Melli's case file suggested to law enforcement officers that the

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perpetrator of the more recent double murders was connected with them.

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So we've got another instance of somebody spending time in

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jail for somebody else's crimes. So I'm going to go back.

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I'll look to see how this fits in and whether

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or not. I mean, I don't put anything past these individuals,

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because planes and hopping a flight and being somewhere really

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quick and being back within you know, a day or

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two are all completely possible because they had the means

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to do.

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It just quick comments they were, Yeah, incidence the similarity

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of the names of Lo Bianco and Labyanka, That's what

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I'm saying.

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What I'm saying, yes, and and Labyanca was win.

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That was the night after the shared date murders.

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I know. But what year was that?

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Yeah, August ninth, sixty nine or ninth or tenth six.

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Yeah, that's that's definitely.

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Yeah, almost to the day a year later, right, all right,

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So that brings us to we're back, we're having we're

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seeing our first murder in Minnesota.

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On September second, nineteen seventy four, Labor Day weekend, Mary

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and Susan Raker were stabbed to death in Minnesota. Now,

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the reason why I'm bringing this up is because we're

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going to see Jack moving in a couple months here

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to Minnesota. And I have asserted that every time Jack moves,

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he goes before the family. This is what Dennis told me,

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is that Jack ultimately would go scout out where they

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were going to live, find the place, get everything set up.

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Then he would come back some weeks later and actually

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pack the family up and move them to that new location.

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And I always saw that as a way that Jack

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could insert himself into a community commit a crime. He's

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back out picking the family up in another state before

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he actively moves there. And when he moves there with

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the family, he appears just to be a normal family

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man moving into the area and wouldn't even be considered

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as a suspect. And we see this happening with a

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lot of the crimes. So it says September second, nineteen

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seventy four, I believe they went missing from Zeer's department store,

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State Clown, Minnesota. The bodies were found September twenty sixth

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of nineteen seventy four. It's a double abduction, dumped at

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the edge of an abandoned stone quarry. So here we're

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back to these gravel pits and things of that nature,

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which is consistent with some of the dump sites in

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the Oakland County. Childburners Mary dump was dumped off a cliff,

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submerged under forty feet of water, which is that waterway dump. Again,

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her bra was cut into four pieces, closed and underwear

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thrown at the bottom of the cliff, except the front

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of the blue sweater was never found. Piece of piece

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of the shirt was taken basically, so this is something

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more like Stein Suzanne found under a bush at the edge,

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stabbed thirteen times, a large white man sighted by eyewitnesses

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looking nervous. Saint Cloud is two hours and forty minutes

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from Cotton, Minnesota, Jack's preferred killing range in time. So

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when I look at the outer the circumference of where

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Jack is versus where abductions and dumps are, they're usually

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within about a two two and a half hour's circumference

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of where Jack is. Leaving California, they would have passed

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through Saint Cloud to get to Cotton, Minnesota. So it

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is possible that he committed that murder on his way

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to Cotton, Minnesota in order to find or locate the

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new house. And we know that Jack moves the family

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in seventy five. I said seventy five or seventy six,

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but the information is now supporting seventy five. This is

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the second murder in the Zodiac Map murder scene, now

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coming back through Dickinson or through Texas, because we know

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the way that Jack likes to travel always includes some

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travel back to Texas to see Mom. We see on

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September sixth, four days after the abduction and killing of

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Mary and Susan Ranker, we see another double abduction. Brooks

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Bracewell and Georgia Gear abducted from Dickinson convenience store. It's

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a double abduction again two hours and fifty three minutes

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from Singine, Texas. So again in that tip killing range.

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They're beaten to death. They're dumped in Alvin Swamp, which

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is another waterway dump. And this is the third victim

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of the z Map murder scheme. Depending on the specifics

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of Donna Braun. Now you had information Harriet in regards

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to Brooks, Bracewell and Georgia gear Right.

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Definitely, it's pretty disgusting.

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Did you find you said that the information was calling

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someone else out for their murders.

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Definitely, and I'm looking looking for it. But it's involving

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Robert Abel, it's involving brace Well's grandfather, Ronald brace Well.

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It works for through NASA, and it's really it's it's

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pretty bad. So it's Jack and his crew got involved in.

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We're getting the evidence and you know, trying to pass

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on what was going on with those two girls, but

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they were they were picked up. But it's really sick

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and disturbed stuff. And uh, they say it was filmed

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the film, the Triple X film, so I'm trying to

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come up from it. But anyways, it's a really sick

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and disturbed stuff that was filmed and it was sent

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to a very young and up and coming George Lucas. Ah,

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very very horrible.

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You like George Lucas the yeah he was Star Wars,

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yes well he yeah, he became famous after this. So well,

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you know what's interesting is that Dickenson convenience store stuff

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ties right into Tim Miller, which is the finale letter

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we're going to see in the end. And Tim Miller

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had indicated that at one of the points in time

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when he went to go visit his daughter's gravesite where

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her body was found, he actually found DVD's that were

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labeled xx X on them. Now, of course he says

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he never played them. He turned them over to the police,

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but they have subsequently gone missing as well. So who

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is to know what was on those DVDs labeled xxx?

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And your solves are showing that these particular girls were

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involved with some type of an XXX filming. So there's

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a neat little circle that's going on there. But back

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in Texas again, So what.

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You want me to read it? Really quick? What I got?

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Because it was pretty easy to decode all this stuff,

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and it was from things that were in the newspaper.

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So you want me to read.

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Ahead and't read the decode, Yeah, go ahead and read

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the code.

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Okay. I found the cuss words I can't say okay anyway,

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So anyways, it's Dick Nixon NASA passed Abel confessed to

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Trant County d a copy on June twenty fifth, seventy

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one dentist daughter that he's the avenging shoeless Janice, and

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then found Wilson's friend, you know, Janis Joplin. He says,

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Robert Abel is avenging Janice Joplin by killing some of

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these people. Anyways, found Wilson's friend Allison A zip Fete

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five five seven seven zero apartment, nineteen seventy one. And

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then it's saying via al Ebara of NASA anyways, and

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brother Paul Craven, and then it says ax Siss remains

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Houston Perland, and then it's going on to say that

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Brooks's mother married nineteen seventy three, Myrtil Walker, who owed

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Saudi French Group. That's Marjorie Alette who took the pictures

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of who's famous for taking pictures of Janice Choplin, but

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also apparently the pictures of the JFK NASA thing ways

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of saying she owed Saudi Press Group fifty thousand, and

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then saying cousin miss Gidley attend wedding one night stand

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with Abel and he strangled and dump Patricia and George

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Washington High Jim San Francisco nine four one two one.

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Then he's going on to say seven eleven seventy three,

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ninety six seventy four Brooks grandfather met Gear and Bracewall

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at the utahnem in zip code seven seven five three nine,

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Brazoria County, go to l Rancholl Motel noon and that's

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at the zip code of seven seven five three nine.

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And then it's saying Brazoria County Diplomat Hotel. Boy Walsh

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the second paid one hundred and seventy dollars each to

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make a thirty five millimeter movie, as do certain things

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with the three, which includes Ali Bara, Ronald Bracewell. That's

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the grandfather of Bracewell, who works the Bracewell Observatory of Stanford. Anyways,

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then it's saying Abel the second. Then it says sent

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to Harry Lang who knows Hollywood, George Lucas likes Bugsy

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seagull sorts, Wisconsin Goon Bilestrie, Vegas, nineteen seventy six hit.

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Then it's saying shy Abel Sene l Rancho Motel. Teens

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walking on five seventeen picked up kidnap hit shot with

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Magnum three fifty seven axe heads Missoria County. That's what

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all this says. When I read just the things that

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were found in the newspapers of these two girls.

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So you're saying grandfather was somehow you're that solve implicates

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him in their murders.

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Yes, and in the dirty movie that was filmed. There's

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words I can't read here on the air.

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So we're not but I'm trying to understand why why

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a grandfather would harm a granddaughter.

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He was just according to this, he was among some

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sick and disturbed NASA guys with the dark side.

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So yeah, okay, well I can't comment on that one.

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That one went a little further over my head than

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I expected.

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Yeah, well I can. I can say it's an F word,

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and it's an S word and a D word.

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We don't have to, we don't need that, we don't

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need the cuss words make it anymore. Figure it out sensationalistic.

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So all right, So September fifteenth of nineteen seventy four,

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So let's see how this works out. We've got the

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murders in Minnesota in September two of nineteen seventy four.

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If Jack is in fact in Minnesota scouting out, then

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of course he has the freedom to do whatever he'd

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like to do. If he goes back and visits you know,

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mom in the Texas area. And but like you said,

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you believe that somebody else is responsible for these two

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girls in Texas. But then by September fifteenth, nineteen seventy four,

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we have another murder in Florence, Italy, and this is

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victims Pescual gentle Core and Stefani Patini. On fifteen September

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nineteen seventy four, teenage sweethearts Pesqual gentle Core, a barman,

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and Stefani Petini and accountant were shot and stabbed in

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a county lane, a country lane near Borgo San Lorenzo

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while having sex and Gentil Cores Fiat one twenty seven.

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They were not far from a notorious I can't read

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that called teen club swhere they were what disco tech?

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Disco tech?

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Okay, there you go.

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Called teen club where they were supposed to spend the

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evening with friends. Patini's corpse had been violated with a

457
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:10.240
grapevine stalk and disfigured with ninety seven stab wounds. Now

458
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.920
that goes right up in the lines of the black

459
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.759
Dahlia error, when the suspect was violating the women with

460
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:20.480
the bottle brush branch from the tree that is found

461
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.599
primarily down there in the lower ends of California going

462
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:29.319
into Mexico. So that's very reminiscent, disfigured with ninety seven

463
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:33.079
stab wounds, definite overkill. Some hours before the murder, Patini

464
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.039
had disclosed to a friend that a weird man was

465
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.440
terrifying her. Another friend of Patini's recalled that a strange

466
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:40.440
man had followed and bothered the two of them during

467
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.759
a driving lesson a few days before. Several couples of

468
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:47.480
lovers who used to park in the same area where

469
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.440
gentle Core and Patini were murdered stated that particular area

470
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:57.200
was frequented by voyeurs, a pair of them acting very oddly. Herberts, well,

471
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:01.200
you're having sex in the middle of the wood, So

472
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:05.200
I mean you want to be voyured. I think right,

473
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:08.400
you want to be voyared. You're out there having set

474
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:15.279
in public somewhere. Is there's someone's gperal this place. Nobody

475
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:16.839
looks at you while you're doing the deed.

476
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.559
Oh, this is nineteen seventies, in the world of cocaine.

477
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.680
It was the cocaine was everywhere. So that is probably

478
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.759
having something to do with Samgi and Kana, who hasn't

479
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.240
been killed yet. In the cocaine and he's from Sicily.

480
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:39.160
But it's freaking of things that the good guys in

481
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.519
the mob going after the bad guys in the mob.

482
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:44.559
I know that's hard to believe, but there are people

483
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.400
who are on the good side. They just happen to

484
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:53.559
be from families that go back centuries anyway, all.

485
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.799
Right, Well, so Jack on September twenty second, nineteen seventy

486
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.599
four is seen by doctor of Fischal and Sacramento per

487
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:04.599
his February twenty seventh, nineteen seventy sixth report, which I

488
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.480
believe is a chiropractor that puts him back in California.

489
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.319
We know at least by September twenty second of nineteen

490
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:14.160
seventy four, and then September twenty seventh of nineteen seventy four,

491
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:16.960
we finally have another murder in California. So it seems

492
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.640
like wherever Jack is, we are happy murders going on.

493
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.960
Now he's back in California and we have Donna Braun.

494
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:26.319
Did you have any information on Donna Braun?

495
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:33.440
No, but I have a feeling with the last name

496
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:38.200
of Braun that would be connected to Bond Braun. So anyway,

497
00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.240
Steve going because that's.

498
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:45.000
I't know all right. She went missing, went missing September

499
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.000
twenty seventh, nineteen seventy four. Found September twenty ninth, nineteen

500
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:53.599
seventy four, in Salinas River near Monterey. She was floating

501
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.359
in the Salinas River near Monterey. She had been strangled

502
00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.960
to death fourteen years old. It says not enough info

503
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.799
to her whereabouts or when she might have been killed,

504
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:05.359
but I did get some information research in it last night.

505
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.559
She just supporting that she was abducted from a convenience store.

506
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:11.880
But I'm not really quite sure if that's the information

507
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:14.039
that's known, because this is what I picked up quite

508
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:16.440
some time ago, and the new information I'm reading today

509
00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:19.640
has something different going on. But we do see the strangled,

510
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.960
we do see the waterway dump. It matches other Santa

511
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.680
Cruz area murders, and whether or not it's on the

512
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:27.839
murder map I did not have. I did not have

513
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:30.440
the source of the missing location in order to match

514
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:34.319
it up to the murder map for bets. But Donna

515
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.000
Marie Braun fourteen, who strangled body was found at seven

516
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.640
pm on September twenty ninth, nineteen seventy four, in the

517
00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.680
Salinas River near Monterey by a crop dustin pilot who

518
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:47.640
was flying overhead. She was an Alizo Eliso High School

519
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:51.720
freshman who lived with and was eventually identified by her mother,

520
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:54.680
and was last seen at six pm on September twenty seventh,

521
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.640
leaving her Salina's home. So I did a little bit

522
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:00.359
of looking to see what those dates were her They

523
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:05.359
was on a Thursday, September nineteenth. It looks like September

524
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:10.079
twenty seventh, nineteen seventy four was the following Friday afterwards,

525
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.039
and September twenty ninth was a Sunday, which was when

526
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:18.960
she was found at seven am. Trying to kind of

527
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.200
make sense of the newspapers they said the body of

528
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.000
a young girl who had been strangled and dumped in

529
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.279
the Salinas River Sunday near Greenfield was identified by her

530
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.839
mother last night as fourteen year old Donna Marie Braun

531
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:33.279
of Salinas. She we already read that Cecilia Morris at

532
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:38.200
nineteen Guardina Drive with her mother Cecilia Morris at nineteen

533
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.680
Guardinia Drive. Miss Braun had turned fourteen on September nineteenth.

534
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.960
For reasons which haven't been established, miss Braun left her

535
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.960
Salina's home at two am on Sunday, So I got

536
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.039
a little confused. If she left her home at two

537
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:56.000
am on Sunday, but they're showing that she went missing

538
00:33:56.039 --> 00:34:00.799
on September twenty seventh, nineteen seventy four, which was a Friday.

539
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:03.680
Either the newspapers are incorrect or the information we're being

540
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.519
fed now is correct. Either way, you got to kind

541
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:08.360
of sort this stuff out and try and figure it out.

542
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.199
But it says her mother was also in the house

543
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.159
at the time. Miss Braun's nude body was discovered floating

544
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.800
in the Salinas River about seven am. Now this one

545
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:20.119
says seven am, when the other information says seven pm.

546
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.440
So I'm not sure what's going on. If she had

547
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:24.400
walked out of the house at two am on Sunday,

548
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.400
then somebody literally had approximately five hours to have killed

549
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:29.599
her and dumped her and for it to be found

550
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.719
by this crop dusty pilot. But this just kind of

551
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.679
gives you an idea, I mean, of what you have

552
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.599
to deal with when you're researching these cases, trying to

553
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.079
figure out what's true and what's not, because oftentimes the

554
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.760
newspapers were completely wrong, and now we see people who

555
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:46.559
are disseminating or just wanting to make confusion out of

556
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:48.519
what we read and what we know in regards to

557
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:50.960
these cases, making it literally impossible to track.

558
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.440
It makes no sense that a fourteen year old would

559
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:56.480
leave the house at two am in the morning.

560
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:02.079
Wow, well we know what she should be. But we

561
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:04.280
know there are plenty of teenagers out there that are

562
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:07.280
I had a couple of friends I had no problem

563
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:13.679
hopping out their bedroom windows back in the day. People

564
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:19.760
will play when they want to play, But how do

565
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:21.760
they know that she left at two am? The bigger

566
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.559
question is if somebody was aware that she walked out

567
00:35:24.559 --> 00:35:27.320
that door at two am on Sunday, what parent wasn't

568
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:32.719
there to stop her? And how That's what I'm saying.

569
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:35.079
How do you let your fourteen year old daughter just

570
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:37.599
walk out the door at two am enough to be

571
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:39.800
able to say you knew that she left the house

572
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:43.760
at two am?

573
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:42.360
Yeah?

574
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.639
People are crazy. So Jack's work comp Report from eleven

575
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:51.960
to one of seventy three was extremely interesting in regards

576
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:56.639
to the summary of evidence. It lists that doctor Sedman

577
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.440
released him to return to work on December eleventh of

578
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:02.519
nineteen s two. He went back to his former job

579
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:06.119
and worked two days only because he was unable to

580
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:09.239
stand the pain. So this is by December of nineteen

581
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.119
seventy two. This is where I think everything is playing

582
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:17.480
into the work comp lawsuit against Tahoe Linnen. It says

583
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:21.559
exertion and stooping is what brought it on. Mostly after

584
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:24.519
he quit work, he returned to doctor Steadman, who then

585
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:27.800
referred him to doctor Ansel. Doctor Ansel sent him to

586
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:32.920
another doctor for an electro miogram. When his payments were stopped,

587
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:36.079
he called the carrier because he didn't know he had

588
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.360
been released, and they told him that he had been

589
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:42.320
released by doctor Ansel. So evidently we see that his

590
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.320
payments have stopped on disability. And again this is what

591
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:48.000
I'm trying to tell everybody. Jack was able to move around,

592
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.320
buy things, do things, and he literally was working with

593
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:54.159
no income for most of the time between seventy two,

594
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.000
seventy three, seventy four, even on into seventy five. It

595
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.639
says he had been seen by doctor Jennis in February

596
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.400
of nineteen sixty seven. However, somebody has written in nineteen

597
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.599
sixty six, maybe trying to correct the actual date for

598
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.920
low back surgery. He never had prior neck trouble. No

599
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:13.559
part of his difficulty at City Lenin was due to

600
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:18.440
his low back, so that I got confused. No, part

601
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:21.280
of his difficulty at City Lenin was due to his

602
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:25.400
low back. But isn't that what the previous statement just said.

603
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:30.920
He couldn't stoop, he couldn't exert, he couldn't bend, and

604
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:36.440
he's complaining against Tahoe City Lenin. So I got a

605
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.480
little confused on this report myself. Doctor Jennis has not

606
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:42.199
been paid, nor has the hospital make a general finding

607
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:46.000
as to reimbursement for medical legal cost. Doctor Jennis recommended

608
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:48.559
a discogram. However, applicant did not have the money to

609
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:51.000
have it done, so he went to the Veterans Administration

610
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:54.000
Hospital and arranged for a discogram to be performed on

611
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:57.280
December fifth at Fort Miley. So now I'm a little

612
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:02.320
confused is to win this actual surgery took place? Because

613
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:04.920
I was under the impression this was something that happened

614
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.000
in sixty six, right, Harriet, when he was on his

615
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.679
way back looking for Doris. But now it's almost as

616
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.719
if it's looking like well, it does say sixty six

617
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.840
that he saw doctor Jennis, so he may have been

618
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.239
there December fifth of nineteen sixty six for that discogram.

619
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.280
About three weeks ago, applicant tried to use a twenty

620
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.199
pound chainsaw, but after about ten minutes he developed pain

621
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:29.800
in the neck and under the right shoulder blade and

622
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:33.239
underneath the rib cage. He could continue using the soft

623
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:36.559
for only about thirty minutes with severe pain. Around February,

624
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:38.559
he tried to do a tune up job but was

625
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.400
unable to work for or was able to work for

626
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:47.320
only about thirty minutes. He is presently taking daptha on darvon.

627
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.960
Some type of drug, some kind of painkiller.

628
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.880
Right, so he states that he had no lower back

629
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:57.800
pain at the time. The patient states that on March

630
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.800
thirty first, nineteen seventy five, he had begun working at

631
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.719
Cameron Parkshell. So now he's at a Shell gas station

632
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:06.440
in nineteen seventy five. At least in March, I'll need

633
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:10.920
to put that in. He states that he did normal work.

634
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.800
He states that he was changing tires in late June

635
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.480
and felt lower back pain. He states that one month

636
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:19.639
later he was bent over the hood of a car

637
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.159
and he felt lower back pain again. He states that

638
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.760
he had pain in his hip at the time and

639
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:28.159
thought he had arthritis. He states that he kept working

640
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.519
most of the time, but he states that in December

641
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.119
he could no longer work. He states that his hip

642
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.639
joint would not move and that whenever he would cough

643
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.239
or sneeze, he would get a pain shooting down his

644
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:44.079
left leg. So there's that lumber everybody keeps talking about.

645
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.000
That's that hip issue that Jack had and the lumber

646
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:50.760
that they described the Zodiac walked with. He states that

647
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:54.559
he has been treated with these three then the other well,

648
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:58.079
if you had any issues with a hitter or the

649
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.920
gate could be off. So he states that he has

650
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:06.559
been treated with three times weekly visits to a chiropractory,

651
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:10.639
states that his help. This helps because he was in

652
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.599
constant pain before. He does not have numbness or weakness

653
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:17.920
of the legs. Weather changes do not affect his symptoms,

654
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.199
and he states that he has been at bed rest

655
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:23.639
since December of nineteen seventy five except for going to

656
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.119
the doctor's appointments. Could you imagine Jack on bed rest?

657
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:33.920
When asked whether he had any activities other than what's.

658
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:36.480
That, I was just going to say. All I know

659
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:38.719
is when I heard about the chainsaw part, I was

660
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:44.519
wondering who did he cut up? There's things that are

661
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:47.559
going on there, and I'm like, okay, he couldn't use

662
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:51.760
the chainsaw for who or for what or for who anyways,

663
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.800
because something's going on there. It's almost as if this

664
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:59.719
company that he's dealing with is kind of like supplying

665
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:04.039
front for him because he is working and seeing it.

666
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:08.079
But just look, yeah, this is says at Ship in

667
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:11.119
December seventy five. So we know in sixty eight he

668
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:15.039
was doing tow truck driving. We know that seventy two

669
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:18.360
he was at Tahoe City Lenen, and then December seventy

670
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:20.920
five now states that he was at a Shell gas station,

671
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.239
all the prime places that we saw in the letters

672
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.639
from the gentleman who stated that he had worked for

673
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:29.719
the mob and that he was a killer for the Bob,

674
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:32.079
and that typically they would hold these positions at gas

675
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:36.360
stations and these other areas that would make them available

676
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:38.280
to run off and do whatever they need to do

677
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:41.760
without you know, messing up the work place that they're

678
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:44.840
at as far as needing somebody there to do their job.

679
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.920
It was an easy in or easy out, I suppose,

680
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:53.119
says whenever he when asked whether he had any activities

681
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:56.039
other than his work activities. From March seventy five through

682
00:41:56.119 --> 00:41:58.679
June seventy five, the patient states that he would go

683
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.920
home and go right to due to upper back pain.

684
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.480
He states that he had no activities whatsoever after hours.

685
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:07.400
So this will be good to put in here because

686
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.920
it shows that he is working from March to June

687
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:12.840
at the Shell gas station and then we obviously have

688
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:15.079
a break after that. So maybe that's when we're looking

689
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.280
for him to actively start moving into the Minnesota area.

690
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:22.639
Is after June of nineteen seventy five. Let's see past

691
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:27.599
medical records of Robert Fischl Chiropractor are reviewed. A report

692
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.320
of September twenty second, nineteen seventy five states that the

693
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.280
patient had been cared for since May of nineteen seventy

694
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:36.599
five for an industrial injury which occurred on September twenty ninth,

695
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:42.880
nineteen seventy two. The injury involved the mid thoracic area.

696
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:46.239
The report states the patient when I saw him in

697
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May of nineteen seventy five, had been off work for

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some two years, so up until May he was not working.

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So seventy three seventy four, he's again not making any money.

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This is which he stated that he began work on

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the March thirty first, nineteen seventy five, and a later

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section of the report it stated, it is my opinion

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that this patient's problem is the result of industrial aggravation

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since June of nineteen seventy five. A doctor's first report

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of work injury dated twelve, twenty three, seventy five refers

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00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.719
to the attached report for the information office notes are reviewed.

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The patient was seen extremely frequently from May twenty first,

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seventy five through December twenty third, seventy five, so that

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will put him in California through December of seventy five.

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Both upper and lower back symptoms are recorded. Further submitted

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records include a report by Robert M. Herman, MD dated

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November first, nineteen seventy four. The patient had persistent subjective

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00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:48.599
complaints of burning pain in the thoracic back. No specific

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00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.159
diagnosis could be determined. The patient was being cared for

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00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.760
at the Veterans Administration Hospital, and a report by doctor

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00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:59.440
Herman dated eleventh April eleventh, nineteen seventy four described similar

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00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:09.480
thoracic back symptoms. So let's see a continuation of this report,

718
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:12.800
says the report includes after inspecting his hands, I believe

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that he is considerably more active than he has reported

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to me. He also had several recent scars and areas

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00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:24.639
of and areas of contusion of his left thorax and

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left shoulder, which he stated occurred while playing with the

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00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:35.159
neighborhood children and falling to the pavement. I'm playing with

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00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:38.360
the children. I love that one. A report by Feisial

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00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:42.480
chiropractor dated May twentieth, nineteen seventy five, states, in conclusion,

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then I am going to treat this patient with some

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00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:48.840
definite reluctance. From an objective point of view, I feel

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00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.199
this man could be working at the time at this

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00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:55.800
time if he's so desired. When asked about this, he states,

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who would hire me? And at the time I pointed

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out to him that he certainly was able to continue

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to work and find a new job following back surgery,

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which obviously is much more severe than the problem which

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00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:12.440
he alleges to have at this time. A report by

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00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.599
doctor Feischel dated June sixth, nineteen seventy five, states, I

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00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:19.920
feel that this patient's that this is that this patient,

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00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:25.519
this patient's disability. Between February of nineteen seventy three and

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00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:29.000
May thirtieth, nineteen seventy five was one of total and

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00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:33.719
temporary disability. An operative note from San Francisco Veterans Administration

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00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.760
Hospital dated four twenty nine, seventy four describes intercostal nerve

741
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:41.360
blocks and placement of a chess tube. A hospital summary

742
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:44.679
from the Veterans Administration Hospital for the admission seven nine

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00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:47.960
to seven, fourteen seventy three states this forty three year

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00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:51.199
old white male was in a motorcycle accident on Sunday,

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00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:56.239
July eighth of nineteen seventy three near Placerville. He sustained

746
00:45:56.280 --> 00:46:00.400
abrasions and cuts of the right elbow, right shoulder, right orbit,

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00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.880
and face. A milogram report dated July third, nineteen seventy

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00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:09.760
three states cross crossly normal cervical Milo Graham. However, doctor

749
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:14.000
Stephen Jennis wondered whether a discogram should be done. A

750
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:17.920
letter by doctor Jennis dated August sixteenth, nineteen seventy three stated,

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00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:21.079
as it is with the information I have, I cannot

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00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.880
hold him disabled any longer than one week after July third,

753
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.119
nineteen seventy three. That must have really upset Jack, whoa

754
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.559
right because he is not getting what he is assuming

755
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:35.320
he's trying to get. A report by Donald Lee Ansel

756
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:39.960
dated February second, nineteen seventy three describes a neurological examination

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00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:42.599
and states, in view of the lack of any focal

758
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:46.079
neurological findings that I can detect on the bests of

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00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.480
this present examination, I do not feel warranted in proceeding

760
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.639
with further neurological investigation at this time. A report by J. R.

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00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.480
Steadman dated twelve eleven seventy three states patient returned for

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00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:06.159
follow up of his shoulder in and arthritis at the

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00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:14.679
sternalclavical joint a brachea plexus should Shoulder injury was mentioned

764
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:20.079
in a report of eleven six seventy two. A doctor's

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00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:24.039
first report of work injury by doctor Steadman for nine

766
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:28.199
seventy two describes a right shoulder and neck injury. So

767
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.239
he's a lot going on, and he's not telling everybody

768
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.320
of the truth, and it seems that these doctors are

769
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:34.320
kind of picking them apart, and this is likely why

770
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:43.280
his disability hasn't been approved plast medical history. What's that?

771
00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:49.679
Eventually he won the appeal though despite these reports, right.

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00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.639
I don't know it stated that he had been given

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00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:56.320
the benefits, but he was still fighting for those benefits

774
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.800
as far as I can turn tell, and including writing

775
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.239
letters to a senator. So last week we were talking

776
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:06.760
about communications back and forth between Jack's attorney and a

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00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:11.400
senator trying to get his disability payments made. So it

778
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:14.800
assumes that something was approved, but I'm not sure that

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00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:17.960
Jack had ever received it that at that point, and

780
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:19.760
they were still trying to fight to get their hands

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00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.840
on It says the patient has no allergies, he takes

782
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:26.039
no medications, past surgical procedures in addition to the lumbar

783
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:32.800
laminectomy includes a gang gangly insist. We're down to one minute,

784
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.079
so we'll have to finish this report at another time.

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00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:39.800
But this is the final page of that report. The

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00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:43.519
patient smokes one and one half packs of cigarettes per day.

787
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:46.079
He drinks very little. He is married and lives with

788
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:50.719
his wife with his wife, not his family, but his wife.

789
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.360
Either way, that puts us down to our final minute.

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Here you guys, I thank you both for your participation,

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and I hope everybody has a one wonderful weekend and

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00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:03.239
we will see you back next Friday. Is there anything

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00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:05.000
anybody would like to add or sign off with?

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God bless America. Happy weekend. It's going to be a

795
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:10.920
great weekend.

796
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.920
Yes, all right, thank you guys for beating you. What's that?

797
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Peace out?

798
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:18.639
Peace out?

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Thank you.

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There we go.