Jan. 30, 2026

Marvin Margolis Fake Suspect? Part 4

Marvin Margolis Fake Suspect? Part 4
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Diving a little deeper into Marvin Margolis as the diagrams he draws are compared to the Bus Bomb Diagrams in the Zodiac Killer cases. This also gives way to looking at Jack’s diagrams in comparison as well to see who the better fit is. A YouTube commenter has brought back the issues of the Z13 as discussed with Margolis and has allowed me to show how Jack still fits this solve if one were to be had.

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Good morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today. Nolan del Campo,

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Good morning everybody. Good morning. How's your week?

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Ben, It's been good.

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Yeah.

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I Federal Foreign at Homeland Security yesterday. That it's harsh.

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I didn't like it.

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All kinds of protocols to get in.

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No, it was relatively easy to get in, but it

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just took forever. And the way they act so and

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just everyone. No one's friendly, the judge, nobody's friendly. The

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building is so sterile too.

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What a miserable existence. Yeah, not for me, thank you.

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This is why I didn't go into government work.

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Yeah, I don't think. I think I'm gonna get out

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of the case.

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Oh, what's it about can you tell.

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It's a removal proceedings and she's applying for asylum but

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she doesn't qualify for asylent. So anyway, apparently they brought

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me in because they needed a lawyer. But I haven't

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signed an agreement. I haven't entered it actually officially into

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the case. I'm in a special appearance.

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You know what's going on right now with deportations. That

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would not be the right time to apply for something

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you don't qualify for.

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Yeah. No, they were centered to Honguras or some other

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Central American countries from Watemala.

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Tell her to wait until Newsom takes office for presidency.

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Well, yeah, we'll see.

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Wrong president, wrong time frame, all right. Well, last week

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we left off, we were talking about another fake suspect

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that emanated in December of twenty twenty five by a

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gentleman named Alex Baber, and of course I had explained

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to everybody. We came upon some extremely interesting information from

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Sandy Betts. Because Sandy Betts, who's been a long time

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Zodiac researcher and believes that she's been stalked by the

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Zodiac or maybe one of the group kind of thing,

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has had experiences with Alex Baber in the past, and

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he was the person who had ultimately turned over her

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handwriting that she believed came from the Zodiac suspect to

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the Baggetts, who then claimed that it was the Zodiac's handwriting. However,

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they have all gone on to suggest other people, and

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I got more information from Sandy this last week in

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regards to Baber's claims, and so last week when I

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was going through the messages I found online in regards

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to the interviews that Baber was doing, I opted out

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from reading them just because it seems silly. I didn't

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want to go into his background and all that good stuff.

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But after reading what Sandy has put forth, I think

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we're going to go ahead and visit some of the

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words because you're going to find them extremely close. Now,

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Sandy was not aware that he came out with this

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new suspect, so this was news to her and what

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she's telling me, and I didn't even realize that we

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were talking about the same person, or that she should

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be aware that he has come out with Marvin Margolis,

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because I did not know that the person who turned

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her handwriting over was in fact Alex Batter. So this

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is a continued email that we are having back and forth,

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and she says, yes, I have known Alex Babber and

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his now ex wife Jalen for several years. They contacted

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me over twenty years ago about a suspect I was

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told was my stalker, who was Larry Kane. The picture

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I took of a man who had been stalking me

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in Balo nineteen sixty nine. I was told by Balo's

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chief of police and by DARLINGE. Farren's family members his

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name was Larry Kane. So I spent ten years investigating Kane.

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That was why Alex contacted me, because he had Kine

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as his suspect, so he was The other false suspect

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for Babbar was Lawrence Kane because he had came it

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as his suspect and wanted my information on him. And yes,

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it was Alex who paid Kirk Baggot to look at

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the letter that was left for me. I asked him

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to please give me a copy of the document from Baggett.

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I'm assuming she means the opinion letter in which case

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Baggott had stated that it was in fact Zodiac writing,

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because I wanted to take that to the FBI and

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show it to them. He still hasn't sent it to me.

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When I saw he is now claiming Zodiac and the

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black doll, you kill her other save person, I about

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fell out of my chair. Alex stated he received a

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phone call from Margolis in two thousand and seven, stating

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Margolis asked him if he wanted to play a game

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and gave him credit for solving them my name cipher.

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What Alex had forgotten he was He phoned me in

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two thousand and seven to tell me that the caller

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was Larry Kane, but he never mentioned about any ciphersto.

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He's just claiming that he stumbled onto Lawrence Kane and

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received this taunting phone call. She says, I contacted all

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the people who were helping him with his lie, as

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well as the producers of his upcoming TV show. So

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this guy's media deep, just like Baggett. I let them

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know he lied about the two thousand and seven phone

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call and that they needed to fact check everything Alex

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told them. I'm pretty sure they told him what I

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had to say about the two thousand and seven phone call.

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It wasn't kin until, Oh, it wasn't until Cain had

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died and my suspect was still following me that I

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knew Kin was not my stalker. I do plan to

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contact the FBI as soon as I have all of

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my ducks in a row. Last month, on December one,

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twenty twenty five, I got another death threat from my suspect,

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which tells me he is still alive. I am sleeping

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with my gun next to me. Oh, bless her heart.

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Wow.

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Yeah, that's but yeah, And she does go on because

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I did ask her what the threat was, So we're

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going to get into that in her next email. So

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we basically had an exchange there. She we know that Cain, Yes,

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died before two thousand and seven. Marvin Margolis, Now, you

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guys died in nineteen ninety three, so even I think

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even earlier, or maybe they died approximately or around the

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same time. Either way, Babber is claiming to have received

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a phone call from the person saying, you cracked the cipher,

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You figured me out, kind of thing. Want to play

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a game, blah blah blah. We're going to get into

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his words. Anyways. Let's welcome Lindsay Mack to the show.

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Good morning her, Lindsay, you made your audio.

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All right, Well we'll wait, tissue chimes in. So this

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second email from Sandra, when it was in response to

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me saying that are you there, I think that's her. Yep,

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I hear. Now she's out again. We've lost her. The

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second so I basically responded back to that email indicated

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that Marvin, I'm sorry that Marvin. Yes, Marvin Margolis had

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died in nineteen ninety three, so it was impossible for

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him to have made that call as well. So his

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entire statement about oh you figured me out, you know,

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solving my my cipher if you will. So Sandy goes

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on to say, Alex must have sent the letter to

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bag It about twenty years ago. Yes, I mentioned that

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death in nineteen ninety three to the producers. They don't

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seem to care about the facts. Ding ding ding ding ding. Right.

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That's I think ninety percent of my show is about

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how the media is yellow journalism. They're not presenting the facts,

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They're narrating what they want us to hear and see.

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And now Alex Bauber is a prime instance, I believe

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of that project Mockingbird If you will, says ooh, they

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don't seem to care about the facts. Alex belongs to mensa.

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Most geniuses lack having common sense. He is proof of that.

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Laugh out loud. The threat was something that most wouldn't

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consider to be a threat. He plays music for me

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from time to time, and in the lyrics are a

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message for me. He used to play Sonny and shares

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I Got you babe. That one I understood. And also

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every day I get the blues. I know Zodiac has

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some depression, now I might want to. I don't see

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any depression in the zodiacs here writing, I see mania,

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I see disturbances, but I see lots of things, but

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I don't see depression. Let's see here. But the latest

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song didn't have lyrics. I knew it was classical music,

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and I thought it was by Choppin'. I asked my

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son if I could use AI to find the name,

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and that is what I did. It was the minute Waltz.

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I found Barber Streischan Drystand had it on one of

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her albums. The lyrics were about time, a very short time,

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and Zodiac is into time. I didn't report that one

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to the police because they would not understand that being

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a threat, she said. My husband died a few months ago.

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I'm hoping his wife will let me have the box

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is he found of mine, which is something she's told

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me from quite some time, is that she had placed

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the hood in one of these boxes. But I have

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conflicting stories, because first there were stories she threw it

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away because she didn't know what it was, and I

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was under the impression it was a black painted paper sack,

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which is what I was under the impression she had

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claimed it was, and that she threw it away because

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it smelled horribly and she didn't know where it came from.

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Now she is indicating or she's also told me she

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had other evidence in boxes that were at either her

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ex husband's mother's house or someplace where she was not

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able to retrieve them because the new wife was not

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allowing them to talk or communicate. So she says, my

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ex husband died a few months ago. I'm hoping his

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wife will let me have the boxes he found of

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mine that were hidden in his mother's attic. When I

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find the killing costume, the family car and NAPA a

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day after the Lake Berryessa stabbings, I thought it was

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an early Halloween costume, and being sewing is one of

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my hobbies. I added it to one of my material

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boxes makes it sound like it's material, but I remember

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her talking about the strong smell of paint. She says,

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my ex recognized the boxes and stored them at his home,

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along with many other boxes his mother had saved over

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the years. His wife didn't let him bring them to me,

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but now perhaps she will let me go to her

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home and get them. She's still mourning his unexpected deaths

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while I'm waiting again. So she believes that she might

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have some evidence that would link back to these Zodiac cases,

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and that she is still being taunted at this point.

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But I mean, honestly speaking, if the Zodiac was let's

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take the time.

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Frame that they indicated in the composite, which I believe

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was somewhere between thirty five and forty five, and let's

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now add another fifty five years to that, it's highly

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improbable that that same person who committed those crimes would

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be alive.

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Now, Oh gay, that person's good, right.

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So why she is still received I think it's other people.

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It's some of these trolls having fun with her.

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I think so too. They her on a hook and

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they're playing.

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With their catch, right right, and they think it's it's funny.

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To get her all up in a uproar and get

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her spouting about you know, new stuff.

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It's real to her, sleeping.

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Yeah, yeah, it's very real to her. And that's very

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sad for these people.

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And I like a person. I remember when we went

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and met her and talked to her. I don't I

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took everything she said with a grain of salt. But

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I think she's a good person.

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She means well, yeah, no, she's a sweetheart. And and

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and again sometimes some of her stuff is so collectively

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put together so well, but that may be from years

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of repeating it. Right, She's conditioned herself to it being

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whatever it is, and and she knows it well.

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Doing this, whether it's one person or a group of people,

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they are trying to convince her that they may have been.

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Zodiac, right, so she can always the twine.

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Remember she showed us that white coin that was left

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forward and things like that.

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That clothesline, Why did it not go back up if

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half of it went down? I mean, did you think

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at the time that that was the zodiac doing it?

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And I want to say, this is in the eighth

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maybe maybe she's maybe she's claiming sixties when her son

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was a baby, and she was still hanging diapers out

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to dry, and the line that went missing, I'm trying

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to recall her email right now, but the line that

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was missing from those from her her laundry lines was

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just a portion. They didn't take all of it because

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there were diapers hanging from some of it, So they

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took some of it and then supposedly dropped off this

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brand new packaging of clothesline. Which clothesline, I mean, obviously

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modern day clothes lines are a bit different from those.

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Back then it was a hollow, hollow cord and now

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we have the fiber filaments on the inside for re

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strength to help it pull together a little bit better.

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But she's convinced that that the Zodiac was attempting to

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frame her husband, which I have not responded to that

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email yet, So I do want to get into that

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with her and why she suspects they would attempt to

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for any reason frame her husband, because I didn't know

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that that was a thing. I thought this entire time

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they were stalking her because she had knowledge of Darlene Farrin.

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Not she lives in Zodiac Central too, and Mount Diablo

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basically correct, and she spent a lot of time in Blejoe.

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Yes, yes, the area where I don't.

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Know if and were but some kind of stalking her

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there at that restaurant.

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Right, and I had for some reason put the two together,

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thinking that both of them had worked for the Coronado.

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But now and I think that was a bar restaurant

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or something like that back in the day. Now I'm

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starting to wonder because she said she never worked with Darlene.

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She she just knew of her, because I think she

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had stated she was dating a at the time, which

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doesn't make any sense to me, because if she's married

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with kids during this timeframe, what is she doing dating

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a cop that had also dated Darling there was I

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don't know. I just I can't keep it all together.

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There's there's too.

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Much rights, plausible cause confusion.

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Yes, Good morning, Lindsay, Good morning. We are back to

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Marvin Margolis, and we just covered the Alex Baber content

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from Sandy Betts, in which case she fully explained it

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was twenty years ago that the phone call he gave

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her saying that Lawrence Kane was her man, and that

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he received this taunting phone call that we are now

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going to hear a repeat of you guys are gonna

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love this. So I have decided to go back and

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actually read the stuff I skipped last week because I

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thought it was, you know, nonsensical. But now after hearing

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from from uh Sandy, I want everybody to hear what

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Alex himself had to say, So uh it says. Here's

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some more details from twenty twenty two about the time

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the guy first cracked the ciphers. So evidently he's claiming

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to have cracked it in twenty twenty two, at least

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based on the message boards, Whereas it sounds like December

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twenty five release was like it was brand new, like

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it just happened. So I'm not sure, it says. On

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February second, Crime HQ hosted a special event with Alex

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Baber and Jalen Baber of the Cold Case Consultants of

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America led by Kelly mcclear Cold Case Consultants. Now, this

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takes me to John Walsh, This takes me to Jim Miller. This,

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I mean, what is this person doing in this group? Right?

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Flex Baber is a light bulb like it was. It

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wasn't registering last week, but like this week, it's why

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is it? It's like ringing a light bulb this week

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for some.

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Reason, because because I'm well, because.

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For something else too.

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Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, well, and that's

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kind of like Deborah Perez, you know, being the false

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suspect's daughter bart Baggett, where she the year before was

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on message board saying she was the love child of

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JFK and Marilyn Monroe. You know that these people don't keep.

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The news.

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So are you saying JFK is the zodiac? Again? It's

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a bit much for me to try and keep together.

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But I know when I'm being fed some bs, and

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that's definitely some bs. So it goes on to McLear

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began by asking the couple to share their backstories. Alex

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said that it started for him when he was a child,

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growing up surrounded by his mother's true crime magazines. As

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he got older and was diagnosed with a neurodiversity, a

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form of autism, his IQ was tested and was in

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the one sixties when he was a teenager. This focus

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and intelligence came with a downside. Though I typically do

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not sleep much, my brain is always processing information like

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a computer. Alex said he befriended members of law enforcement

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who urged him to join the fight because of his

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specific abilities. He declined, repeatedly, choosing to focus on his family,

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but finally gotten a March of two thousand and seven.

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What drew him in was David Fincher's Zodiac movie. Although

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Alex had not had not known anything about the case

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before then, Okay, that that evening a Friday he decided

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to take a crack. Now, I want you guys to

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keep this time frame in mind as I go through this,

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because this to me just just it's it's aw shocking.

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That evening Bush jus error.

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What's that?

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Like?

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Always?

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So what I always do?

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Like when I heard date, Okay, I was okay, let's

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I don't want to let's not segue to Yeah, let's

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not segue to Bush right now. I want to stay

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stuck on this because I need to make it through it.

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It says that evening a Friday, he decided to take

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a crack at solving one of the infamous ciphers associated

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with the case. Allen claims that he solved it that evening.

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In four thousand, five hundred and twenty attempts.

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Oh yeah, I think you read that last week?

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Yeah no, no, well I might have touched on it,

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but I did not like go into what he's going

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to say. Next, his solution gave him a name. Next,

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he went online to a forum devoted to the Zodiac

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Killer and posted the name he came up with. So

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he's literally saying, in one night he came up with

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a name and that he cracked it. And this is

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not making sense with the other evidence that was explained earlier.

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It says on Sunday he received a phone call. So

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now here's this phone call, guys, and so this was

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twenty twenty two, okay, so from the first time, So

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twenty twenty two is when he received this phone call,

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or at least he's stating here he okay. Next, he

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went online to a forum devoted to the Zodiac Killer

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and posted the name he came up with on Sunday.

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So two days later he received a phone call asking

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do you want to play a game? After Alex replied no,

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the speaker said, I want to compliment you on cracking

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my cipher. A little shot and freaked out at this point,

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especially because he didn't know how the caller got his number.

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Alex said that he didn't want any trouble and volunteered

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to remove the post from the forum that mentioned the

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man's name. The caller then went to prove that he

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knew Alex's full name, place of work address in fiance's

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full name. At that point, Alex said he'd again he'd

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take the post down and hung up on the caller.

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So if in twenty twenty two he got this phone

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call from you cracked my cipher, would that not indicate

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that the Zodiac is still alive? In this false suspect,

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Marvin Margolis, who died in nineteen ninety three, is not

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the person he's claiming it to be.

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Yeah, I don't think zobeyec and I don't think this

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other person is either.

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No, and we're going to continue with some of Margolis's

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writings here in a minute, and you guys will all

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get to see that.

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By twenty twenty two, the person or people that were

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doing the Zodiac border's probably dead.

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Right, A good possibility at eighty ninety something years old.

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I mean so, A couple responses on Reddit was lord

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hahaw this person I love their names. No, it is rubbish.

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I'm very familiar with the cryptography and have studied that

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at a high level. It's pseudoscientific nonsense and there's no

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way to extrapolate any useful information from Z thirteen. Lord

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Haha went on to say, could you share where he

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describes his method. I would be happy to do a

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more detailed post explaining why it's rubbish, as I'm not

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expecting you to just take my word for it. I

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like that guy because that's what I tell people. I

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want to show you. I don't want you to just

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take my word for it. Happy to get into detail.

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If his method is published. If it is not published,

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well then there you go. And then Baseball cap safety,

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what if you already have the key as in Zodiac

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and we're going to get to that because we just

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we just mentioned this like before coming on the show.

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There are others that says okay, times no, okay. So

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all of the rest of this was just more or

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less somebody, you know, saying that it is not possible

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that I've tried to tell people that it's possible that

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they already have the key, but just don't realize it.

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I assume that's what you're saying, So I do go

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back to someone has to have the key. That means

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that these communications were intentional and meant to be sent

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to somebody who had the key and could figure them out.

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And that brings us back into the circle of media.

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Of media, John Waller got myself. I'm hearing myself. I

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think that might be something with Lindsey Hope. Yep, there

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it went. But I don't want you to go away, Lindsay,

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because I'm about to talk about something I need you for.

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Oh it's gone. Are you there, Lindsay? Oh, all right,

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I'm gonna try and make this it's quick. Hope, she's

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gone it out. I received a message from Megan Walsh

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on YouTube, and that is John Walsh's daughter that Lindsay

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Mack works with in researching her, Megan Walsh's father's case.

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So she sent me Mary Carter paint company, John Walsh

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and the Callahan name Upstate New York and the Finger Lakes.

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And of course I was hoping that Lindsay would be

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here to explain that, because she did respond back to me,

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but she was showing me how I believe a tool O'Toole.

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I'm trying to remember his name now. He was part

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of the Henry Lee Lucas and I can't recall his

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first name. That's gonna happen, because I don't believe any

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instance whatsoever. He was one of the people that was

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suspected as a suspect in John Walsh's son's death, and

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we know that he was just too dumb to have

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done anything. But let see. And then she sent me

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this interesting screenshot of somebody's response. It says, I don't

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give a we know f about Jake Lang. He works

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for the same people who the shav I Ran warned

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us about in the seventies. What seemed insane doesn't seem

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so insane anymore if you pay attention. But hey, I'm

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just a conspiracy theorist. What do I know. Anyways, here

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are the receipts, and I'm assuming that that link would

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take you to information or whatever it was he was

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attempting to prove on this particular message. And now that

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I don't have lindsay, I can't have her to explain it.

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What did the show worse about?

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No, I think we were warned so same people who

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the shav I Ran warned us about, So I don't

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I know. That's why I was hoping she didn't fall

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out like she did, but she did. Another comment was

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two toe tabon. I don't know how to say. That

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says something I had never noticed before. In the San

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Francisco composite sketch, the Zodiac suspect has a closed up

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left eye in relation to his right eye. And of

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course we talked about that because we barely hit on

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it in the middle of these here. So, yes, there

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was this in the composite, this right this left eye. Sorry,

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that was more closed up than the right eye. And

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we can see that that is definitely the way Jack's looks.

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So we have that one eye that is lazier, maybe

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more closed up than the right eye. Lindsay, did you

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hear what I said about those posts?

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No, girl, I think that they are onto me or something,

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because I've been onto some big stuff lately. So probably.

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Messing with you, messing okay? So Mary Carter Paint Company,

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John Walsh in the Callahan name Upstate New York and

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finger Lakes, can you explain that for us?

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Okay?

463
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So the finger Lakes is New York is where also

464
00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:23.960
in the in the in the what do you call it,

465
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:26.160
the that black book that came out about Hunter Biden.

466
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:28.960
This is like the newest stuff about finger Lakes. There

467
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:33.640
was a lot of prostitution that he was involved in

468
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:35.839
in the in the Finger Lakes area of New York.

469
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:39.680
And also just so happens to be that that it

470
00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:46.319
was John Walsh's Roman range before he you know, went

471
00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:49.119
to Florida and has been there ever since. And that

472
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.680
was like another in nineteen sixty three, I think so.

473
00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:57.519
And then the Mary Carter Paint Company and that so the.

474
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:01.160
Mary Carter Paint Company, it actually was as audist tools

475
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:07.799
work a place of work prior to Adam's disappearance, and

476
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:12.119
and he had been he had left their like or

477
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:14.480
the last job he did for them was like three

478
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:20.960
days before or so. And that company is mentioned in

479
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:22.359
John Walsh's book.

480
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.519
And Callahan I think I feel like we we've heard

481
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:31.440
that name before obviously talking about.

482
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:39.160
Callahan is is is John Walsh's mother's maiden name, so

483
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:43.960
so so so the middle brother, well so so the

484
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:48.119
son that was born after Megan. Uh, they named him Callahan.

485
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:50.359
So that's where comes from.

486
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:55.480
Yeah, Now you sent me this post from Ian something

487
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:58.160
about Jake Lang works with the same people who the

488
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:02.000
Show of Iran warned us about in the seventies. Well,

489
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:03.799
what was that about?

490
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:07.079
It was a link?

491
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:10.759
Yeah, it did. It had some pictures, but I didn't.

492
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:13.519
I didn't click on the link. I'm I'm link hesitant.

493
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:15.920
I like my computers right where they're at and not

494
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:18.960
freezing up, breaking down and losing all my information, so

495
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:20.440
I very rarely.

496
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.599
Click it is so he was the one that was

497
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:28.000
involved with the Jewish mob and they, uh, it's actually

498
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:29.519
a still unsolved murder.

499
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:30.880
Jake Lang.

500
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:33.359
Is that the one.

501
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.079
It's it's somebody it's a poster named Ian And he says,

502
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:39.400
I don't give an f about Jake Lang. He works

503
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:41.519
for the same people who the shop I ran warned

504
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:44.200
us about in the seventies. What seemed insane doesn't seem

505
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:46.559
so insane anymore if you pay attention. But hey, I'm

506
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.359
just a conspiracy theorist. What do I know? Anyway? Here

507
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:54.640
are the receipts, and it looks like I have no idea.

508
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.640
I think it was a thread, so maybe.

509
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:01.720
Yeah, maybe i'd well, yeah, I just had that clipped

510
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:06.880
picture inside your email. Okay, So other YouTube comments we have?

511
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:10.640
What are we have got? Jacob Shulte seventy nine seven, saying,

512
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:12.480
what are you guys trying to say? Does anyone have

513
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.920
any actual evidence on for Jack Terrence. All right, guy,

514
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:17.680
I don't even know what to say to you, but

515
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:20.920
go back and Red, go back and watch the episodes,

516
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:26.119
because yeah, the evidences is very large and tangible. He

517
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.680
then says, Jack Terrence is twelve characters. What's your point

518
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.960
and then laughing emoticon and yes, if you're to presume

519
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.200
that the author of Z thirteen only put in a

520
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:40.400
first and a last name, could you make that statement?

521
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:44.400
But to be so ignorant as to not take note

522
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.559
that if a person uses their middle initial, that they

523
00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:49.400
might have used their middle initial in that solve as

524
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:53.720
well would be to slight the entire process. Because if

525
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:57.240
the individual, if the individual wants to put his name

526
00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:00.799
out there, but in quite frankly an undecipher ruble cipher

527
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:04.759
the easiest way to he's going to use every little

528
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.160
bit of it, I would think, because he knows you're

529
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:09.039
not going to solve it to begin with. I mean,

530
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.079
that's kind of the taunt of the zodiac, right.

531
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:13.799
Yep.

532
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.240
So I went back to pull all of Jack's information

533
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:23.319
leading up to before he actually began using Jack or John.

534
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.240
So we do see that his dad was born John

535
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:29.119
Walker Terrence. We do see that Jack is listed as

536
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.920
a junior, but had notoriously gone by Jack for most

537
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:35.400
of his life, and he has used and flipped around

538
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:38.640
John and different variations of his mother's maiden name. I mean,

539
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.359
he's used so many different aliases it's unreal. But what

540
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:44.400
I want everybody to pay attention to is that he

541
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.559
claims to have been born, which I would assume his

542
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:49.079
dad was too. But his dad is now known as

543
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.759
John when he comes to Fruition. But the Jay and

544
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:58.559
the w in quotes so not Jay period or w period,

545
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:02.000
which would indicate that he was. That Jay was just

546
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:05.240
the beginning initial of a name. He puts it in quotes.

547
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:09.799
They go on in his military records to continue this

548
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:16.559
fashion of j In quotes w In quotes Terrence his

549
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:20.799
discharge papers in what's my year here? In nineteen forty seven.

550
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:26.000
Again Jay in quotes w In quotes Terrence junior.

551
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:27.240
That's odd.

552
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.480
Well, that's the way he was. I think Terry B

553
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:35.839
Had said it that it gives it anull when you're

554
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.839
trying to search for information, and it is just something

555
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:43.759
like J. W. Terrence. It's like Leitha's self, her last

556
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.759
name being self. Self is in frank it is a

557
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:51.519
noll in the search systems because it's not going to

558
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:55.799
produce any information basically, And that's exactly what we see

559
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.440
again in another honorable discharge in nineteen fifty, so another

560
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:04.839
three years after the last discharge, we see again J W.

561
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:10.799
Terrence Junior on his actual enlisted records report.

562
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.440
I've seen it, W.

563
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.319
What did you? What do you mean? Well, that might

564
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:19.640
be information we're putting out there that is causing not

565
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:23.960
to pick up right. But again j W is how

566
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.640
he's listed on his military records. If this man actually

567
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:28.880
had a real name that would be produced on the

568
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.920
military records, I would put money on it. They're not

569
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:37.119
going to use your nickname or your you know, your acronyms. Yeah,

570
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:41.000
this is just not what's gonna happen. We see here

571
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:43.279
at the bottom underneath this thumb print, which I always

572
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.160
thought was a relatively good thumb print for authorities to

573
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:48.480
use if they wanted to try and make a match

574
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:51.319
with any fingerprints that were found at the Zodiac crime

575
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.240
scene or other crimes that we talk about. But look

576
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:58.160
at underneath here he signs it Jay W. Terrence Junior.

577
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:02.400
So he's still at this point, is still Jdubb that's

578
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:03.839
what I like to call him, J dub.

579
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.079
Yeah.

580
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:10.400
So there's the answer. Basically, if you take Jack or

581
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:15.799
John W. Terrence, you have thirteen characters, but you can't

582
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.960
omit the W just because you want to try and say, oh, well,

583
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.079
we can exclude him because it's not thirteen characters. Not

584
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:26.680
if you drop the W. Yeah, and you are not

585
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:27.839
the W.

586
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.799
Maybe one of the characters in the cipher was just

587
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.359
a placeholder.

588
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.559
That could be another option as well, but I want

589
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.279
to roll with the whole. I mean, especially when we

590
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.559
start to look at some of these ciphers.

591
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:43.880
Well, and I will vouch for what he what no

592
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:46.720
one just said, because like it's like, for an example,

593
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:48.880
if you're looking at Jamatria. I don't know if you

594
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:53.119
know about Jamatria, but I've researched it since like twenty sixteen,

595
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:57.559
and if there's a zero, it doesn't count towards the

596
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.880
total number. So like when you're adding the numb for

597
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:03.559
a word, because each each.

598
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:05.480
Letter zero is a void, it's a space.

599
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.199
Yeah, it cancels that like it doesn't matter, it's just

600
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:08.679
not there.

601
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:14.760
So yeah, and we're gonna see that point. Yeah, So

602
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.639
moving on to another piece of news, I just had

603
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:19.000
to clip this out and put it in. But of

604
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.199
course this all this, you know, rage over the ICE

605
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:27.719
and enforcing you know, deportation and citizenship and the things

606
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.000
like you're going through there and lay in security and all.

607
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:33.880
And I saw this this clip, and I actually watched it,

608
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:36.639
and what really got me. So the headline of it

609
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:41.760
is Lydiam moynihan says, Obama gave Tom Homan, he's the

610
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.840
head of ICE, a medal and attacked Bush for being

611
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:48.559
lax on immigration. Now when did the left suddenly decide

612
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:51.719
that immigration laws don't need to be enforced and that

613
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:54.880
going after ICE officers doing their job was the answer.

614
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:58.280
So I thought that was interesting. And you're right. You've

615
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.519
got Obama on one side, a Democrat in wanting to

616
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:05.480
enforce it, praising the head of ICE, bashing Bush he's

617
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:10.199
a Republican for being two lacks on immigration. And now

618
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:13.000
we've got all of the Democrats that are just completely

619
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.320
against the Trump administration for wanting to enforce these rules.

620
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:20.559
We've got cities and states attacking officers, trying to push

621
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:24.159
them out, making their jobs extremely complicated, and I'm heightening

622
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:26.760
the severity of their anxiety and stress. Over what it

623
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:28.920
is that they have to do because they don't know

624
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.320
what's coming at them from one from one moment to

625
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:32.159
the next.

626
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.639
And I think I'll tell you this, correct me if

627
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.400
I'm not wrong, But I think that Obama has actually

628
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.119
deported more than Trump pass so far.

629
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:43.400
I think so too. I think that that was kind

630
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.599
of the notion that he was hard on it. It's

631
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.320
okay for him to do it, but gosh forbid, you

632
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.159
know that Trump does it. But what I've played from.

633
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:53.000
It is because they control both sets.

634
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:57.840
Right, And what I picked up from this particular clip

635
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.519
when I was listening to her speak is that right

636
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:04.360
at the end, she said, the fake news is what's

637
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.920
causing basically all of this stuff. Yes, it's causing protesting,

638
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:11.280
it's causing people to fight against one another, it's causing

639
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:14.800
people to take sides, but it again is fake news.

640
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.679
So we just got done with Alex Baber and his

641
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:20.400
fake news. But let's climb right back into Margolis now,

642
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:21.880
so we touched.

643
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.239
I think why in twenty sixteen, whenever Trump won the

644
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:28.679
first time, that's why he If you notice the repetition

645
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.599
of him saying fake news, fake news, he repeated that

646
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:34.559
so many times, and it was like he was trying

647
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.400
to drill it in people's heads to like, look, look,

648
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.880
don't believe them, like stop it. You know. It was

649
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.480
almost like he was giving a signal because he repeated

650
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.320
it so much, because it's what they use for to

651
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:46.679
get in your head, is repetition.

652
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.920
So well, but everybody saw that. Everybody saw that as

653
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:52.159
a way of him attempting to cover up some dastardly

654
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.320
deed he didn't actually do. Right, So it's kind of

655
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.960
a cutting sword. You know. He's claiming that it's fake

656
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:02.119
news because it's true when he doesn't want his you know,

657
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:06.800
person to be defamed or what have you. But in

658
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:10.079
reality he is saying just that it is fake news.

659
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:12.199
Well I see it. Well, I don't even watch the news,

660
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.039
and that's because anytime I'm even subjected to the news,

661
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:18.119
I find that there's something fake, there's something not honest

662
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.920
about the sex. Six are the numbers. They're playing on emotions,

663
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:24.599
and they're playing on not even so much logic. Really,

664
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.480
it's more statistics and emotions. And then they y that's credibility.

665
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.400
And you've got a bunch of zombies walking around repeating

666
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:34.079
whatever came out of Channel forty four or what have you.

667
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:35.519
I don't even know what I don't even know what

668
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:36.639
channels there are anymore.

669
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.880
Oh, so bad. The reputation is so bad right now too.

670
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:43.679
It's like, dude, I'm like, I'll call them out too

671
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.239
on Twitter. I'm like, can you stop repeating the same sentence?

672
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:51.400
Like they'll retweet it like every other day, or they'll

673
00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:53.360
repost it the same exact sentence.

674
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.280
Well, because you have to drill it. You have to

675
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.199
drill it in right. You've got to say three or

676
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.760
more times in order for it to become a standard

677
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.039
or a solid in someone's mind. Well, here we showed it.

678
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:05.960
Like I could point that out like plain day, Like

679
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.320
that's the first thing I'll pick out anywhere I go,

680
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:10.559
you know. So it's right, plain is day to see

681
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:12.639
when you see it, you can't unsee it.

682
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:14.800
You can unsee it. That's why I don't want it.

683
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.880
So we were. We left off on this picture last week,

684
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:21.000
where we talked about being found in Marvin Margolis's box,

685
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:24.280
where this picture of Elizabeth is drawn by Marty Merrill

686
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:27.960
in nineteen ninety two, coincidentally one year before he dies,

687
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.599
and doesn't really look to me anything like black Dahlia.

688
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:34.119
But they claim that this shaded out area across the

689
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.400
chest depicts the same type of injuries that Black Dahlia suffered,

690
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.880
and that's why he's linking them together and he's the killer.

691
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:41.920
But now we can show that clearly he died in

692
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.039
nineteen ninety three. Certainly did not call Alex Baber in

693
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:53.400
twenty twenty two because he's dead. Okay, everybody's dead anyways.

694
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.480
That took me into the diagram. So he put up

695
00:38:57.400 --> 00:38:59.920
what I could find in some of the information out there,

696
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:05.199
as this beam contraction, focusing pulsat or some type of

697
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.599
a diagram with a laser beam and all of this

698
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.960
stuff going on. It seems I don't know. I look

699
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.519
at any of these and they kind of seem a

700
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:18.440
little chaotic, but I do look at the different elements

701
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:22.360
of this particular type of design where he doesn't even

702
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:24.880
show the power source, he doesn't show jumpers, he doesn't

703
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:26.920
show any of these things that we got to see

704
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.400
in the bus bomb diagram by the zodiac that's found

705
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.199
right here in the center. Here's another version, only this

706
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:34.679
one's a little bit more rudimentary and really kind of

707
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:38.519
just describing the skyline, the sun hitting the bus, that

708
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:42.079
a car would not cause the blocking of the sun

709
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:44.960
from the power source that would then cause the bomb

710
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:50.920
to detonate in be Now who did the that was

711
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:54.440
Marvin Margolis. So this was also found in this box,

712
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.639
if you will. But when you look at it, like,

713
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:59.960
there's just there's nothing even comparable about it. I mean,

714
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.760
even the way he shows the lines that are going

715
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:06.559
through here. And I don't know if this was supposed

716
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.360
to be an image to see inside and not necessarily

717
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:11.440
it doesn't look to me like it's necessarily like a

718
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:16.719
jumper line or something like that. But again I don't know,

719
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:18.840
because it's torn up even to the sides all the

720
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:20.239
way out to the front. You would have thought if

721
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:22.880
it was electricity, it would have connected somewhere to something

722
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:25.920
quite like these ones. Right, So we see the jumpers,

723
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.079
we see the lines coming in and then the lines

724
00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:31.519
going out, and we see other jumpers, we see more

725
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.800
jumpers over here. There's a whole lot going on in

726
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.360
this particular schematic, and we get to see the sun

727
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.159
being used as a source for the actual power in

728
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.159
this particular thing. So we have a sun up here

729
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:47.360
at the top, we have a sun down here now

730
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:50.239
let's look at jacks, because Dennis, I thought, did a

731
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:53.559
really good representation of putting a side by side. This

732
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:57.719
is the zodiac right here. This is Jack's right here.

733
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.119
Now when I look at that, we've got the same

734
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:03.719
type of circle that opens in the same place, with

735
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:08.320
this overlap that tips to the inside, overlap that goes

736
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:11.800
to the inside. We've got the square jumpers that are

737
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:17.000
being mentioned and shown here. We've got arrows which we

738
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.039
see a see and when we look at all of jacks,

739
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.079
so all of these ones on the bottom are jacks

740
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.159
as well, and we can see these different types of

741
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:29.079
jumpers that are happening here. So here's this particular jumper

742
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:33.760
in Jack's diagram. Here's this same type of jumper right

743
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:37.360
and it's indicating that it is surrounding a six folt battery.

744
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:39.280
But one of the things that we're noticed was the

745
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.000
positioning of those lines, the top one being more to

746
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.360
the left and just a little tiny bit to the right,

747
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:48.559
bottom one being more dead center. Same thing up here

748
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:51.000
with jacks. We've got this one at the top that

749
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.079
is barely to the right and off hanging to the left,

750
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.079
and then the bottom one is more dead center, and

751
00:41:57.119 --> 00:41:59.960
then we have all of these little square jumper thinging

752
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:01.920
that are going on here. We can see that those

753
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:05.119
are clearly happening also inside of the Zodiac's handwriting, and

754
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.239
then of course we see that in Jack's writing we

755
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.480
also have the son as the power.

756
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:15.920
So very very interesting the nk Ultra experiment of that

757
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:21.920
they used to make this make this guy copycat almost

758
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:23.920
but in a sense where he didn't even really know

759
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:26.000
he was copycatting. You know what I'm saying.

760
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:28.559
No, I have no clue what that meant.

761
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:34.159
So like so it's mind control. It's like where they but.

762
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.519
Who's copying who I'm saying, Jack is Zodiac?

763
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:41.320
That Jack's diagrams, like he may have known about this

764
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:46.800
particular experiment as well, based on the program that he

765
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:48.719
was in with the group that we know that.

766
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:51.280
It's all, yeah, but what do you mean experiment? I

767
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.360
have no I'm losing you on how any of that

768
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.719
relates to how that relates to the diagrams being drawn

769
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:00.639
and written the same way.

770
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.920
I'm saying what I'm saying, I'm not saying to this experiment.

771
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:07.800
I'm just giving an example like this was whatever this was,

772
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:12.679
he obviously had some type of insight about whatever this

773
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:16.360
contraption was, is what I'm saying in and the reasoning

774
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:18.480
for him to possibly draw.

775
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:23.480
This or who who who draw this? Well, first we've

776
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:26.119
got to separate who you're talking who draw this? The

777
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:27.480
Zodiac or Jack.

778
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.639
The man that that he claims what is his name? Marty.

779
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:35.559
We're not even looking at Marty. Marvin Margolis is gone,

780
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:36.719
he's done. He had one.

781
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:39.639
The other was the other one that was weird with

782
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:40.159
the laser.

783
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.239
Yeah, that's not even on the screen right now.

784
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:47.239
Well, and these diagrams from Zodia, they were in regard

785
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:51.440
to the bus bomb, right the legend planted bomb, and

786
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.599
one of the ciphers basically says, this is where you

787
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.960
can find it and trace that Green Valley Road near Fairfield.

788
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:04.400
Yeah, actually back in the day, Yeah, we did, and

789
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.400
I went and looked at it. And certainly by the

790
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:09.280
time we had figured this information out and Harriet and

791
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.440
I went to look at it, it turned out that

792
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:16.239
they had broken the on ramp completely down, rebuilt an overpass,

793
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:20.400
and piled all the cement and debris that was once

794
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:24.719
the road to get back onto eighty had then been

795
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:28.119
piled in a great, big, huge mountain next to the

796
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:31.159
new over right under the new overpass, so we couldn't

797
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:35.199
even get in or onto that particular piece of land

798
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.519
because it was now covered by construction debris and road

799
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:42.719
stuff and cement and all kinds of things. But so

800
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.599
my point here is just literally that we the things

801
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.960
that we see, like these heavy black dots that are

802
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:54.840
indicating I'm thinking areas of connectivity. We see them in

803
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.760
many of Jack's drawings, but you also see them in

804
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:01.840
the zodiacs. So look here where that connection is made

805
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:06.440
by these very heavy dark circles. So there's just.

806
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:11.360
Aredia by Green Valley Road and by Fairfield that's nearby

807
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:15.039
is what they call Cordelia Junction, and that's because so

808
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:18.519
many different roads are converging, like six eighty to eighty.

809
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:20.960
Then just prior to that you got Highway twelve going

810
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.400
up to Napa, and there's a lot of junction, so

811
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:25.760
we say it yeah.

812
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:28.639
And I also found directly out if you went out

813
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:30.920
Browns Valley Road, i think it was, or right there

814
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:33.159
off of Green Valley and you went to the right,

815
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:36.320
there was also a National Forest. So I stumbled onto that,

816
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:40.360
and we know that he was also staying at one

817
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:42.360
of the I think one of the salves or the

818
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:46.159
cipher salves that came up was a kind of a

819
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:51.800
park or a state area in Valao or Bacca Belt.

820
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:53.480
We'd have to go back, but I don't want to

821
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:56.000
relive all of that stuff right this minute. But it

822
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:59.800
was definitely taking us two locations where Jack could park

823
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:03.360
his bus, because if everybody remembers correctly, during this timeframe,

824
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:05.719
Jack was living on a bus, and I believe that

825
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:08.400
bus came from his brother, his brother in law and

826
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:11.360
his sister who owned a bus that they had created

827
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:14.360
into a gambling bus and then hijacked a bunch of

828
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.039
people after getting him on the bus, co workers and

829
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.039
so forth, and taking him up the hill to gamble.

830
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.239
Then his brother shows up to rob the bus, but

831
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.440
then gets beaten up and arrested. There's a whole news

832
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:27.360
article on it, so we know for sure Jack is

833
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:30.559
in this remade bus. And of course when he and

834
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:33.400
this is how I assumed that the Zodiac brought riding

835
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:36.440
about a bus bomb. He was the bomb. He's the

836
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:40.719
information bomb on the bus. So he's got them chasing

837
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:43.159
around a school bus, but not realizing that he is

838
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:46.360
currently at that moment living on a converted school Bus.

839
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:48.840
Yeah, that's good.

840
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.559
So I had somebody also look at this solved by

841
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:56.199
Baber in regards to the what he claims to have

842
00:46:56.280 --> 00:47:01.599
been the cipher salt, and the response from that individual

843
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.320
was a four pie wave function. Now I'm not going

844
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:06.800
to pretend that I understand any of this. The zodiac

845
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:10.480
symbol is also Trigg four pie ninety degree angles. I

846
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.360
call bs on their solve. So this person's calling out

847
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.360
the solve of Margolis, and I'm sorry Babber has for Margolis,

848
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:18.880
but I just thought i'd throw up here. You know,

849
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:24.199
we definitely know that math and pie and angles and

850
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.800
all of those things are right in Jack Saley because

851
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:31.360
we have it in his handwriting right here, yep. And

852
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:34.880
that brings us to Cryptography the Science of Secret Writing.

853
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.000
I was explaining to Nolan and Wan earlier before the

854
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:41.000
show that I had purchased a bunch of material from

855
00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:45.079
a former document examiner and I received this nifty little

856
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:48.559
packet here, which is Cryptography the Science of Secret Writing

857
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:52.320
by Jack H. Sultz. He's a question document examiner that

858
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.800
has obviously worked extensively and put together a program. And

859
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.840
I believe that he was either teaching this program or

860
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:01.800
he was a guest speaker or of some sort at

861
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:09.159
the University of Chicago, Illinois no less wo And with that,

862
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:13.199
I put up the ciphers from John Walsh, and I'm

863
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:16.000
going to show you why because we had some extremely

864
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:19.119
interesting Oh durn it. I thought we would make it

865
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:21.519
to this. We're down to our last minute. I'm going

866
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.280
to do an introduction of what he finds in regards

867
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:27.880
to cryptology in general, and then we're going to look

868
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.000
at some of the systems and how they compare to

869
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.440
what we see the Zodiac and the Scorpion author do.

870
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:36.480
And that we will obviously hold off for until next week.

871
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.119
So is there anything either of you would like to add?

872
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:43.280
So I was just going to say, did you I

873
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.159
was going to say, did you guys know that Baber

874
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.039
was actually in the in recent news?

875
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:50.719
Well, yeah, in December twenty twenty five.

876
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:54.440
I agree this month to the twenty six it was.

877
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:59.599
What there there.

878
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:03.079
By a documentary?

879
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:08.960
Okay, of course that's what I'm saying. They get mad media.

880
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:13.039
And this is all following the same line as Bart Baggett.

881
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.320
He was looking at a false suspect, looking to write

882
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.719
a book and do a documentary, and unfortunately I blew

883
00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:20.360
that up, and evidently I suffered the price as one

884
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:23.039
of his students for that, by almost having my business

885
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:25.039
demised out from underneath me. But that's not going to

886
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.239
stop me from telling the truth because if I meant

887
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:30.440
to find another career because of that, or because they

888
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.320
are capable of messing with the algorithm on the internet

889
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:38.440
or false advertising with lower fees in my area to

890
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:40.760
try and cut me off from getting jobs, see, I've

891
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:42.960
prepared for that. I suppose I'm too deep in this

892
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:45.679
at this point. I mean, there's just no walking away.

893
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.719
So all right, guys, our final second, So I'm gonna

894
00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:51.400
thank you both for being here. When we come back

895
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:53.400
next week, we're going to look at system solves for

896
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:57.239
cryptography and for ciphers and deciphering. So thank you for

897
00:49:57.360 --> 00:49:59.800
being here once again. Everybody, have a wonderful weekend and

898
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:00.960
we'll see you next Friday.

899
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.400
Okay, Kellie a weekend YouTube.

900
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:06.800
Bye bye

901
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:28.400
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