Lawrence Klein False Suspect???

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0:52 Good morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. I'd like to welcome to the show today. Nolan del Campo, Good morning everybody. Good morning. Any exciting cases last week. No, Well, I finished the trial and I won. It was a domestic violence. So yeah for the wind. But there was no. Domestic violence on either side. It shouldn't have been in court, but consistent, I'm going to trial, so we took. To any one. Wow, that is insane. Family law trial that I broke even on. But then I had to do xparte because the chick didn't follow the coroner.

1:40 It was she your client or the other person on the other side. Oh gotcha? Damn Well, I think our show is all about dictators, so that fits right, in Well. I had a couple of comments off of last week's show, which was Dennis Kaufman's video. Did you get a chance to watch that? Not yet, But I've seen parts of it before and we've gone over lots of it as well, and I met Dennis of. Course, right. But I didn't see the actual episode. Okay, I did see that YouTube kicked back that there. It was not going to be shown in some countries because there was copyright on the music that was on it. Now, I hardly believe that Dennis produced this thing and was able to get it produced without having rights to do so.

2:34 I mean, will people literally produce a documentary or a video without that? Do you know? I have no idea, right, I don't know either either. There was a these. Yeah but sticks on the wall. It sticks. Evidently there were three songs on there, and they were stating that of course they're copyrighted, they're owned by the people who sang the songs. So I don't know if Denis had permission to use them or not, or how many people were actually able to view that. But I did have one person who was clearly able to view it, and they had a lot to say. I want to say it's at Trashy. That's the name trashleg Why would we want to name ourselves that? And maybe it's a spin off of Ashley Like, I don't know either way.

3:25 This person says these handwritten ones we know weren't Zodiac according to Riverside PD. So I'm assuming what they're talking about is the Sherry Joe Bates and I would like to make a correction for this individual if they are back to watch the next episode, is that there is no according to Riverside PD, were not the Zodiac every instance, in every evidence. I mean even law enforcement from the San Francisco in Bay area joined Riverside to discuss the commonalities between the communications and the author and it was stated by the document examiners at that time that were working for the government. Now I know this is this is one of the quandaries that I have. I want to say that they're always giving an inconclusive or they're not really you know, doing their jobs, and then I want to say that, yes, they identified the handwritingess being one and the same. The upside here is that I'm not some layperson doing this podcast. I am a handwriting expert and this is what I do for a living, so I have viewed these letters. I have made the connection between the authors, and I do believe that the Sherry Joe Bates crime was committed by the Zodiac, And in recent years they've been trying to do whatever they can to bifurcate these cases and act as though they're not one and the same. And I think that that really is because they're just trying to keep the conspiracy from being seen by everybody, which is more people are involved in this than we really actually know.

4:48 Let's welcome, even gray Smith and others. I think most of people know admit that the Charchobates and Riverside was part of the Zodiac, the persona of Zodiac, but it's still the same person or people. Well, you know what's interesting is at the bottom of the three notes and Sherry Joe Bates there is actually it looks like a number two or a Z at the bottom of it. So was he really only Zodiac come Zodiac era or was he this persona well before then. He news right, but it's the same version or people, good.

5:30 Morning, good morning. I don't know what's going on. I couldn't. I got in like right when you came on and then it went and then like you froze. So I've restarted twice and finally got in. Well, thank you for being here. Yeah, and Lon says sometimes sometimes songs are not copyrighted at the time used, but can become copyrighted later on, So that could be a reason why Dennis was able to make the documentary. And then now it's being you know, caught, be right, cautioned. I guess if you will. So I know that you wanted me to watch something before today.

6:10 I think you sent it to me last night. Was that another thing from nor Jasmine? No, it was actually Candice Owen's. And who is that. Girl? Y'all don't know who she is. I don't know who anybody is. Girl. I'm stuck in my own little research world over here. I'm living in the past. Well, I don't even know how you haven't even pondered upon her, because literally, like she's not only in the political movement, but she is also one of the number one, if not the number one, biggest podcaster you ever have seen.

6:51 In your life. Like she has like three million followers, not really three million, but a million at least, and she is is huge right now, because of her following. This is huge for the things that she's talking. About because it all links together with what we are talking about in the whole network, in the whole web. So that's why I really was wanting you to watch it, because not only is she continuously every podcast she is putting things together, but she is making the connections that we are making. And so it's going to be a. Broader, a bigger, what much bigger audience than I've ever seen that are hearing this, and it's they're gonna be able to put that together and.

7:34 Yeah, say that. Again, she's biting all our stuff. Well, you know, I made all of these connections as early as I want to say. I started, obviously in two thousand and nine identifying Jack Terrence as the author of the Zodiac Letters, but I really didn't completely put everything together until you know, all of these individuals, anonymous or not, came in and gave me other letters and other crimes across the United States, where I started to put everything together and see this group of view. So when I came into it, I honestly looked at the Zodiac like he was just a single person out there, you know, being a jerk killing people, taunting the police and and the media. Yeah, well that's what they wanted you to right right, well, and anybody, if anybody knows you don't you don't start by writing a three page letter right to law enforcement and to the media right out the gate, which is what he did when he took claim for the first two sets of killings. That's just that that's too long of a communication. You have baby steps, you know, And here he is not not doing it once, but twice and three times. So three seemed to be the magic number. Oh that's one of their favorite numbers, right, And.

8:51 Like he wrote on the in the car, right. Well, and you have to be very great. Every single postcard and whatnot, every communication had clues in it, and the ciphers clues well. And I'm waiting for them to come back and tell us eventually at some point, because this is just it feels like the way it's going is that the Zodiac didn't write on Brian Hartnell's car. I'm waiting to hear this next. I heard there's no military connection in some of the latest documentaries I've heard. Oh, well, we'll get into folk and we've got a couple of false aspects were working on today. Let me keep myself on track, otherwise I'm going to lose myself. So basically, Candice Owens, what was her her? She was basically just outing everybody.

9:37 So she's putting all of it together as far as the military involvement in the CIA, and the cartels and the mafia and big. Money people and how it does connect and how it also connects to the murder of Charlie Kirk. And yes, yes, I'm not ivocateated. I have children now because. Every town she connects something, I'm like, oh my god, yes, thank you for saying this out loud to all these people, because so many people are going to see what they are. Right now, like, and it's gonna explode. It's really gonna explode, y'all. Like I I'm just like biting my teeth every.

10:18 Time to Charlie Kirk. Wasn't that kind of a marchman from that distance to hit a perfect shot And there's evidence that was a shoot shooter from closer range that actually killed Charlie Kirk. Yeah, it actually I looked at the video on that and it actually appears as though somebody standing within the group right next to him to the side and the way his body shifted was based on the bullet coming from a completely different angle than the angle that the shooter would have had access to. He was further than Oswald. And if he took a shot, if he took a sh anything, he shot it in the air. Just just know people would hear the shot well and way too.

11:06 Let I did do some more. I did watch the other nor Jasmine video that you sent me. We're going to talk a bit about that as well. I'm gonna make it through these YouTube comments from this individual really quick. So we talked about Riverside PD. I'm sorry if people are out there trying to, you know, assert that this is not connected. You need to go back. You need to re research, You need to open up the foy of files. You need to take a look at the millions of times that they said that this was a connected crime. Now, trash Lee went on to say, I don't understand the story at all. The step dad went to the store and picked up a gun. Did he point it at the other people or say something. I don't understand why picking it up is such a big deal. Well, girl, you need to go back, and I'm assuming this is a girl. It could be a boy. I have no idea, but you need to go back to the very beginning of this presentation and start with video number one, and you will understand why Jack picking up a gun is so menacing. And basically I laid out for that person three different scenarios that are just absolutely scary, at least from my point of view as a human being, that Jack would be menacing with anything, including an assault with a deadly weapon against his own family. She went on to say March nineteen sixty nine Zodiac didn't exist yet because the letters came after Blue Rock Springs in late July nineteen sixty nine, and there were no letters after Lake Herman Road. WHOA This person is seriously stunted in the research of the Zodiac case. If they believe that there were no letters after Lake Herman Road, What the hell?

12:40 I don't even know who's talking to me right now, and I want to find I want to find that this person is probably just buying up my time and keeping me busy. It says the name came in August nineteen sixty nine. Well, the name may have came in August, and that's when it was produced. And they say that he picked it himself. He actually if the Zodiac picked out his name himself and it wasn't a moniker given to him by the media, then I would even more so instill that Sherry Joe Bates was a part of it, because we do see what appears to be a Z at the bottom of each one of these letters before he actually called himself the Zodiac. So I think somebody needs to do a little more research before they hop on my YouTube channel and try to tell me what's going on in this case.

13:24 And we know that Arthur Lee Allen is not Zodiac, but we do know that Jack was acquainted with Arthur Lee Allen, and Arthur Lee Allen ties to Riverside. You know, sometimes I wonder if he didn't make those acquaintances in order to form the patsy, because then he could learn enough about that. Yeah, yeah, miss Handlers sent him down there. I don't know what the deal was, but he was involved. And I think that if Arthur Lee Allen had a handler, if he was part of any of this, he would have screamed that out loud when he was protesting his innocence. If he was part of some group or you know, was part of anything. I think he like.

14:07 A suspect, but he knows. No. He had a heart attack over this stuff pretty much. I know his life was turned upside down. He he died with a letter, a typewritten letter in his hand saying I am not the ziliac like. I don't think he liked. It at all. Okay, the intrigue, right right, So what I'm going to read here to you guys now is something from Project Mocking Mockingbird. Yeah, Project Mockingbird. So and it really is going to kind of reinstill some of the things that we're talking about. When it sounds so crazy that I'm blaming the media for involvement, I'm blaming mob, I'm blaming syndicates, I'm blaming politicians, I'm blaming everything. And quite frankly, as Candice Owens is probably letting everybody know, is that UH on one hand does not work without the other. So Bob doesn't exist without the CIA. The CIA does not exist without the politicians. The politicians do not exist without the media. Like all of these people have to be in play. We talked about that article from the mayor from New York who was supposedly good and honest, but then was found to be very Yeah, and then was found to be so deep into evil, nefarious stuff and knowing some of the worst people in this world that they literally had to make him an ambassador of Mexico to keep him from coming under an indictment. In so

15:40 you make him a diplomat, right, and then they have diplomatic community. Nobody can touch you. You can't be convicted for anything. So these are the kind of things that oh each other. That's why they dispreted because he was drawing too much into it. Yeah, the cops that corrupt. The corrupt. There's a lot of corruption related to these murders and coles. Well, and right now a lot of these other major podcasters and media outlets are, even the right winging ones are literally calling out Cannie and calling her crazy and that she has lost her mind and all, okay, So that's when you know you're on the target.

16:31 No, that doesn't necessarily mean that either, because I think with Jesse Ventura and Joe Rogan and some of these people, I think that they are specifically paid for for this. We're going to talk about what they will do to create a narrative in our mind. So it looks like they're on our side because they're outing these individuals, but then there's a a certain front that is attempting to make them look crazy and insane, and I think that the whole entire process is really just to kind of satiate those that obviously something's going on with our government and don't really have any resources or outlet for that information, so they seek that information from these individuals. I've reached out to these people and none of them have taken me up on discussing this case with me, And that tells me volumes because if they were truly somebody to believed that these things were going on, they would entertain something like this and not just push it underneath the ruck.

17:25 So nor Jasmine is somebody that Lindsay has introduced me to basically through her podcast, and so I watched the podcast this last week, and this is some of the stuff. So Project Mockingbird was basically a like an MK Ultra program, only this one was set against the United States. So when we talk about things like Hurst making the comments that you get me the pictures, I'll get you your war, right. So he's saying make stuff up, yellow journalism, let's just create what we need to create and I'll get you your war. So I want you guys to pay attention to. And another thing I don't really quite understand is that how how nor Jasmine comes across all of these unredacted documents.

18:09 I've never seen such clean peer documents where you could read everything and here we go. So basically, they were looking this is during the Cuban time. They were looking to create the war between the US and Cuba, and this is how they stated they would do it. So these are classified Foy files, and this is the US government making these mentions. So it says a series of well coordinated incidences will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces. Keep that in mind, they're going to create this scenario. So to me, this is a Charlie Kirk, this is a school shooting. This is all these antagonistic situations, just like the Zodiac. You guys are going to hear the You're gonna hear the actual louprint for how they create this chaos and these antagonistic situations, even to the point where they create things like black lives matter. They create these things in order to keep us in a state of unstableness, if you will. So let's go down the list of what they're willing to do. Oh, you're gonna get Oh you nailed it. Hold on, we're gonna get there.

19:24 What did y'all? Let's say I missed it? Hold on, hold. On, Nolan, Nolan, Nolan. Let's not let's not jump above me. Yeah, okay. So this is what they're gonna do. This is their plan for creating the Cuban war. So incidents to establish a credible attack, not in chronological order. Number one, start rumors, many use clandestine radio number two. Land friendly Cubans in uniform over the fence. So these are our friends. These are friendly Cubans that we're gonna land over the fence to stay and attack on the base. To make it look like these friendlies are looking to attack us. Capture Cuban friendly saboteurs inside the base. Start riots near the base main gate. Friendly Cubans, blow up ammunition inside the base, start fires, burn aircraft on the air base, sabotage log mortar shells from outside of the base into the base.

20:23 Some damage two installations, capture, assault, teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City, capture militia group which storms the base, sabotage ship in the harbor, large fires naphthaline sink ship near harbor entrance, conduct funerals for mock victims. Mock victims, you guys. Yes, I know. I can't even You know, when people said things like, oh, the school shooting was fake, and these people went on they were just actors, and then they went on to live their lives later somewhere else. They didn't really die, I thought, that's just too much for my mind. You can see, we watch these people be shot, or we watched them you know, wheeled out in a journey. They literally have a recipe for this, and see b. United States would respond by executing offensive operations to secure water and power supplies, destroying artillery and mortar emplacements which threatn the base, Commence large scale United States military operations. A remember the main haha they visit Number three is a remember the main incident could be arranged in several forms and A we could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba. This is our US government, you guys, right, So now Maine. I had to look that up. Obviously. When I get my claws into something, Nolan, you know me, I'm going to take it further. I'm like, what the heck is? Remember Maine? Right? Maine was the

21:55 United States Navy ship that sank in Havana Harbor on fifteenth of February eighteen ninety eight, contributing to the outbreak of the Spanish American War in April. US newspapers, engaging in yellow journalism to boost circulation, claimed that the Spanish were responsible for the ship's destruction. The phrase remember the Main, to hell with Spain became a rally and cry for action. Although the Main explosion was not a direct cause, it served as a catalyst that accelerated the events leading up to the war. Maine was sent to Havana Harbor to protect US interest during the Cuban War of Independence. She exploded and sank on the evening of fifteenth of February eighteen ninety eight, killing two hundred and sixty eight sailors or three quarters of her crew. In eighteen ninety eight, a US Navy Board of Inquiry ruled that the ship had been sunk by an external explosion from a mine. However, some US Navy officers disagreed with the board, suggesting that the ship's magazines had been ignited by a spontaneous fire and a coal bunker. The coal used in Maine was by Tuminus, which is known for releasing fire damp, a mixture of gases composed primarily a flammable methane that is prone to spontaneous explosions. An investigation by Admiral Hyman Rickover in nineteen seventy four agreed with the coal fire hypothesis, penning a nineteen seventy six monograph that argued for this conclusion.

23:21 The cause of her sinking remains a subject of debate. So this is what they create, right the debates. Aren't we here now debating what all of this is about. It is like. That in Vietnam when they had a false attack on the United States ship to escalate. The war exactly exactly. The dreame was, Yeah, that's what. Our government is doing. They're creating these things. This is a big boys toy here, guys. Not many of us could achieve this. But here we come to section B. We could blow up a drone unmanned vessel anywhere in the que In Waters. They had drones back then.

24:03 Yes, exactly. I know when I try to tell people that these things are staged, or these things are occurring, or technology is fifty years in advance. This is another huge key point that I've shown through these presentations, amongst many other things, that these things existed well before our knowledge. Now when is it really? Yeah? No, no, no, eighteen eighteen ninety eight was Maine Cuban? This is the Cuban event. Which I want to say, is what early sixties? When is when is Cuba? Oh you mean they have pigs? Well, that's the Cuban rar right, So I'm assuming. That the Spanish American War was eight.

24:43 I'm not talking about the Spanish America. I'm not talking about the Spanish American War. The youth. The drones came in the Cuban event. I'm back to the Cuban event now. So really, no, Maine was not a hu It was a Spanish war. It went over Cuba. I didn't see anything mentioned about Cuba in here. Yes, okay, ei know what you look forward to Gronmo, which is a whole different thing. That's a United States base in Cuba. Correct, Okay, much years later Herbert, Okay, well, I didn't understand that the main was part of a Cuban war.

25:25 That's eighteen ninety eight. I'm here in the current. They called it the Spanish American War because Spain was in control of Cuba at the time, wanted to take it away from Cuba. So they've been they've been doing this to Cuba then for a very long time, because that's aged. Yeah, there was a polling forever since eighteen ninety eight. Okay, but what is the more recent Cuban war. We all evolution in nineteen sixty Yeah. The sixties, I was saying in the sixties. So as early as the sixties, this is when this Project Mockingbird has taken place. Now he rode again.

26:06 Even after the Cuban Revolution of Castro and all that and Jacobar. Uh, the United States has always had a military base in Cuba. To this day, we still have that's the United States military base in Cuba. We have no Cuba. I feel that Hurst Hurst's I feel like if I went back to look at the information where Hearst said, if you get me the pictures, I'll get you your war. He was talking about Cuba. So there was this all in from the media, from the politicians, from everybody to create this war, which makes the nine to eleven events even that much more stronger in my mind that this was something that was devised and planned by our own government.

26:50 It goes on to say, we could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or seat or boat. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the event of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship would add credibility, especially to those people that might have heard the blasts or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to evacuate remaining members of the non existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation. Casualty lists. They're going to create a casualty list. This is school shootings. One on one, let's see. We could develop a communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area area, in other Florida cities, and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans en route to Florida, reel or stimulated in parentheses. We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States, even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized, exploding a few plastic bombs and carefully chosen spots. The arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating Cuban involvement also would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government. So now they're creating documents, which I feel like that's what

28:23 we're in with on the Zodiac right, creating these documents that makes it look like our law enforcement and so forth is incompetent. Yeah. Number five, Cuban based Castro supported filibuster could be simulated against a neighboring Caribbean nation. In the vein of the fourteenth of June invasion of the Dominican Republic, we know that Castro is backing subversive efforts clandestinely against Haiti, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, and Nicaragua. At present and possible others. These efforts can be mad to fight and additional ones contrived for exposure. For example, advantage can be taken of the sensitivity of the Dominican Air Force to intrusions within their national airspace.

29:11 Cuban B twenty six or C forty six type aircraft could make king burning raids at night. Soviet what is that? Sovietniggs B one something B one something. Incendiaries could be found. This could be coupled projecting the idea of an irresponsible government. What did I miss there? So they're trying to create a reason to invade Cuba, yes. Yes, where they're trying to make it look like Cuban and has attacked them yep, yeah, us in. Order for it to be okay for me for US to attack them.

29:51 Bingo, all right. So with Cuban messages to the communist underground in the Dominican Republic and Cuban shipments of arms which would be found or intercepted on the beach, use of MiG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation harassment of civil air attacks on surface shipping, and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MiG type planes would be useful as complementary actions, and F eighty six properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MiG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce such facts. The primary drawback to this suggestion appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modifying an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MEG could be produced from US resources in about three months. Oh my god, you guys, this makes me physically sick to my stomach.

30:45 So fun all companies we ended up invading. Exactly, and we want their resources. That's why we're there. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a harder civil airliner en route from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama, or Venezuela. The destination Venezuela, right, the destination would be chosen only to cause Now, where they just stole Where did they just steal the president from Venezuela. Okay, so this is an ongoing beef. This is the hatfield of McCoys between US and Venezuela.

31:29 Doctrine. It's been around since the. Yeah, the destination would be chosen. Is under our We control it, and we're not going to let anyone do what they want to do. We're going to make sure they do what we want them to do. And we're going to cause and create whatever it is that we want to play with, evidently and. Take their natural resources exactly. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday, or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non scheduled flight. A an aircraft at Egglin Air Force Base would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time, the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases, all of them. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to.

32:34 A drone, right wild. Yeah, so this. Is what's that say that again? It's a proposal, So wood Wood, it was plans basically, maybe we don't know, but yeah, that sounds like it was the way it's worded, like a proposal for action and. This information. And we know that we went to war, and we know that we you know, they successfully implemented this particular project, which was Project Mockingbird. And I want to.

33:15 Say something real quick so everybody. Can like kind of get a whole like a whole view before you finish. So like as soon as I like got to the bottom of this document after I've I had to read it just like you are reading it now, after I watched her discuss it, and it was like almost like my brain was like in a movie, and it was like all these things kept like coming back, like all these memories of like. This case in this case, in this case, in. This scenario and this uh you know, disaster and this and that, and it's like all of it like you know, like in a movie when you see it all like flashback. And that was like flashing through my head and I'm like, so now it all like literally makes you question everything.

33:57 Well, and this is why I don't watch the news and I don't watch commercials and all of these things. The reality is is I had a girlfriend that went on to intern at NASA. Very smart, cookie, but book smart, not not street smart. And I had mentioned to her that I felt that a majority of our movies and things are used to set a desensiti desensitization process against us, to give us little bits and pieces of things that are already occurring, so that when they actually come out for the public to view, we've had a little taste of it. It isn't a shock right kind of things like the Jetsons or Star Trek where you are talking to somebody on a video screen. She said, no, no, that's not true. Maybe they made it for entertainment value and then people turned around and tried to actually build it, and that's the way it came about. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

34:46 No, no, Say who she worked for again? In for NASA, she was going to Davis. Well, no, no, no, she was just the student interns. He was a student at UC Davis interning doing her internship at NASA, And we have this conversation before she even did the internship. But I tried to express to her that the movies and theater try to set a precedence ahead of time so that it's not so shocking when these things occur. So now we talk about the drone, right when the drone came out, We've been seeing visions of this through media and through TV for quite some time before it became a reality and was put in any of our hands.

35:32 And now we can see that the drone existed at a minimum in the sixties, which it probably before that, in order for them to have used it efficiently in the sixties. So yes, I think that that's their way. And some of the things that I robot right talking about AI and robot I just heard that. I think it's China that actually has robot dogs on their borders. Oh yes, I've heard that that's true. Well, but we have a we had a movie that came out showing a robot dog, right like, So, all I say it is is that the things that were being shown in the media is not somebody coming up with a bright idea. It is somebody who already knows and is being fed So the media and Holly Weird and the high up you know, elite in this area, are being fed with this information in order to make a movie off of it where they still make more money. Again, one hand doesn't exist without the other go ahead and no one exactly.

36:29 Yeah, I just saw like the second or third twilights of an episode and they have a human robot in black early sixties. It's crazy. It was just last night on cable. Well, not want to go back and watch even old movies to see what we're talking about. That's what I That's where I get a majority of my information is now hopping back to the older films, just like it was a nineteen I want to say it was a nineteen eighty four or eighty nine outbreak movie with Dustin Hofman and they'd gone into the hospital room. But well, I watched it obviously after the outbreak of COVID, and so to hear them go into the emergency room and discuss the fact that fifty four percent of Americans were viral resistant that had particular blood types, I then was like, what could that even possibly be true? I would have thought any other day that that was just set for entertainment, But when I actually did the research, it did turn out to be true. Twenty three and meters DNA had done a study on blood types and those that were either asymptomatic or viral resistant to the COVID strain, so it was obviously genetically engineered for those with a blood type, and probably they were more susceptible to sicknesses and illnesses, and it be engaged towards that I think was kind of aimed at them. But it was interesting to see that we had movie about an

38:00 outbreak and that's where they that's where that information came out of which I would never have known otherwise anywhere else true and it was true. Well, and now also people, I recommend people to go but this is kind of like kind of funny, but I'm being dead serious to go back and watch many seasons of The Simpsons, because the Simpsons predict the pritically everything. Everything they are. They are nostrodomous by any means. They have inside information like John Mark car did, like the Zodiac did. So sometimes when when people say that they felt the Zodiac was taking credit for other crimes, they may very well be right. If he is the author for this group, then his job is to confuse the evidence by adding a writing to it that may not match the fingerprints or the DNA involved in the crime, so that it confuses. Yeah, and if he was taking credit for crimes he didn't commit. Then that actually solidifies the idea that there is a group involvement here, because how would he have this inside information like John Marshar to write these letters unless he's being fedic from somewhere else, which brings me to my next tangent.

39:12 Anyway, I look at it face. This is Lawrence Kane. So I was I was hit up by Christina Clock he is, he is, I think we'll go We'll go through it. But Christina Kloe actually works with Berkowitz in the Son of Sam Murders, so she has engaged me in regards to some handwriting that I'm doing for her. Uh, And that is whether or not he actively wrote all of the letters she had indicated that the FBI stated that it was inconclusive as to whether or not Berkowitz wrote the letters. Now we got to hear what two weeks ago my own mentor and teachers say that she felt that anybody coming out of government or law enforcement into their own private practice would readily give an inconclusive instead of actually making an identification or exclusion of somebody. So I'm a little bothered that the FBI came back with it was inconclusive as to whether or not he wrote those letters, because I think that they would want to have solidified that along with I mean, obviously he's busted with the gun. Okay, that's that's a dead giveaway, but these letters as well would indicate and I think they came back with an inconclusive because there's a possibility that these letters were not written by one person. When I look at them with that, very.

40:32 Journals in his apartment, just like with her hands are in that may have been written under hypnosis or written by someone else. Well, and see those would all be in. Those would all be interesting journals to see if I can get my hands on them. I have to work with her. I got the letters that are in question, I now need to get handwriting samples of Berkowitz from it. But when she reached out to me, she had an interest in talking to Sandy Beck. She believed that Lawrence Kane was a great shoe in for the zodiac, which tells me again what's available on the internet for people to do research. Because she really feels like Lawrence Kane was the Zodiac. And I tried to explain to her, so first off, he's not even a match for the composite.

41:15 There's just no way. Second off, he looks a little light in the butt as far as I'm concerned. At five ten, one hundred and fifty five pounds, that man's kea. I know, well it says five eight. Where'd you see five nine on. The screen right there? His hair's five to nine, so he's probably five eight. Yeah, Oh wow, I guess I didn't. So why did they list him as five to ten? Look at that? So here's in consistencies. No, I'm glad you pointed that out, because look at the inconsistency. So, yeah, his hair's five nine. Wow, maybe five to eight and a half. And then literally right next to it, they put that he's five ten because they're trying to fit this square out. They're trying to fix in a round hole. That was a good pick up, Nolan. I don't I did not pay attention to that, but I did feel that one hundred and fifty five pounds he does not have that potbelly that we're looking at.

42:11 No, No, that's way too I mean. Not even the shoulders. I feel like he wouldn't have. That. I skipped across because Nolan and I had both watched do you watch The cover Up? Right? You were saying, Nolan, which coverup was that It's called cover Up and it was a Netflix docuseries. In regards to the investigative journalist, that was. Yeah, yeah. So basically he's there telling everybody how he has all of this great information and much of it if he was to release he could be killed for he has lots of high official names and all this stuff. But his stories kept getting squashed by by the media because they didn't want the story told. But this is no less than what we see the media control for us now and today, and what we saw back there in Guantanmo.

43:03 Then the the other one I watched was the American Conspiracies, the Octopus Murders. Did you watch that one? I did? Yes, that was amazing, amazing. The biggest thing that I took away from the Octopus Murders, which was something I never thought of all the research I've done, I'd never really skipped across anywhere that I felt badly about Ronald Reagan until the Octopus Murders. And then it indicated that we had forty hostages that were in some country, was it Iraq, Iran, Iran? So we had forty hostages that were in Iran and Carter was trying to negotiate their release, but it was unsuccessful. Well, behind Carter's back, Ronald Reagan's administration and George Blush went and paid Iran what was it, forty.

43:55 Million bunch of money and give the missiles and there were gave him missiles. We trained, We trained a lot of their people too. Told them to hold onto these hostages until after the presidential election and basically not to release them. So we pay them ahead of time to hold these hostages, but not release them until after the presidential election. Because the consensus was is that nobody would revote for Carter because they didn't believe his handling of these hostages. We were good when in reality he had no control. The reason why they were fighting him on the release was because they've been paid by Reagan right to hold him and they were released the day of or the day after he was inaugurate. Exactly. I'm like, I'm so disgusted now, like the last president was, like I thought would have been good. But hey, he's an actor from all right.

44:50 I was just about to say, let me tell you a little secret. He was after he was an actor before he was the president. Right, hollyweird all day long like whatever. Anyways, now here's what you're going to see and read on the internet. In my research, while I'm looking at this stuff for Christina, I start noticing that on sites like zodiacciphers dot com, which I believe is ran by an ex FBI agent, he has a lot of great information that's very clear that I'm not sure how he could come across unless he has an end. But he states on there that Officer Folk, the one that gave the original composite drawing of the zodiac from the presidio, stated after seeing Lawrence Kane's picture that that's the closest resemblance to the man I saw in the presidio than any other suspect I've ever seen. What the fun.

45:44 That's great, It just looks nothing like the deposite nothing. So why did you give that composite? If the guy looks like this, I think it's dissemination. Once again, they are setting the precedents for people to be confused about what's going on. He looks absolutely nothing like the compos Here we go, here's the composits all day long, right next to him, not in any instance. Does this man at all look like these composites? He looks like Ted Bundy. That's terrible. The worst thing about is they had him in Cussey in Utah and the top land escaped looking forward and killed more women.

46:30 He hopped out. I think they let him out. The story about there. Is and they and they let him out in Utah the library. In the room. I thought he was in the library of the courtroom when he escaped. Library or somewhere. But he. Yeah, well he's a killer, serial killer. You know what's you know what's even crazier is that this picture up here in the right hand corner, if you guys can see, it, has labeled Lawrence Kane. That man does not look anything like that man.

47:12 I think that's Allan, isn't it? No Alan who. You know? The lady? Yeah, the latest one that they'd say his idiot. I don't know, that's not that's not Arthur Lee Allen by any means, all right, well, it's not. No, it certainly is not. And I don't know why it's listed Lawrence Kane again. Oops. Whatever, they're not responsible for being correct. So I did actually find some of Larry Klein's information Now We can see up here that he was initially named Larry Kane, Lawrence Kane, Okay, sorry k A y E. Then he changed his name to Larry Klein. We can say that his handwriting is very rudimentary. It's not very honed in or mature. It's it's a typical guy's handwriting, if you will.

48:07 They don't spend a lot of time practicing it, so it's kind of rough and ready. Let's see here, rough and ready. They also showed some certificate. See and now when I look at this, see please print with name or use typewriter employee's requests for changing records. So he's changing his name on his employee record from Larry k to Larry Klein. It looks like or vice versa. Either way, I couldn't find anything in all of my research that showed that he ever used kine. I think that again is probably media induced. They have, you know, because they think they found kine in the three forty, which is really c A. E. N. I found that to match more with HERD Kane than I found it to match Larry Kane. Especially. Yeah, so as I went through here, there was not a lot to be able to determine other than this man also had a frontal lobe injury that caused his handwriting to be pretty lousy. So if you look at this, he writes in all caps. He does not really use any lowercase letters. I think that we would have seen a lot more droppings of capital letters.

49:19 But look look out off kilter and back and forth. This is letters. It looks like higher up. We got about yeah, we got about twenty five seconds here, and I wanted to make it through this handwriting. We did it. We can pick this up next week. Either way. I did find that he was not the author of the Zodiac. There's just really no way he could be, especially with this type of handwriting. But we will cover this handwriting when we come back next week, and we're going to talk about secondary news suspect that has introduced me to the investigative reporter I believe who contacted me from the La Times last year, who wanted me to do a handwriting exam, then found out what I was part of with the Zodiac, and I never heard back on him. He is now named Marvin Mark Gulis or Marvin uh. We'll talk about him next after this one.

50:06 Next week, you guys, everybody have a wonderful weekend. I hope your new year has started out great. And thank you guys for being here. We'll see you next Friday. He did not well, and that was a good recap. That was good. This is a good show by so fast. All right, you guys, take care. I'll soon ta