March 13, 2026

Jack and Nora 1998-1999

Jack and Nora 1998-1999
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1998 Nora is declining, and Jack seems to be handling her medical affairs, appointments, and medications. More Zodiac Killer handwriting agreements are noted in Jack’s medical notes for Nora. 1999 Nora passes, and not only is Jack on the move, but so is the unsolved murders. Never any where he left and always where he ends up. Discovery of similar crimes in Arizona deserve to be looked at now too.

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Good morning to seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today, Nolan del Campo,

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Good morning everybody, and Lindsay Matt Hello, good morning.

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All right.

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Well, I woke up to an onslaught of messages from

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friends today. I really honestly didn't even know we had

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started bombing Iran or that we had started any type

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of issues. I mean, I was still in shock over

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the kidnapping of the president of Venezuela, and then we

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hear that they have killed Iran's leader and we're having

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these power struggles again. And now I think what they

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said was his son Israel or Iran's the leader's son

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is now in charge. Is that correct? Nolan, are you

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up to day. Yes, Okay, So one of the conversations

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I was having with my assistant in one of these days,

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I'm gonna get her on here because it's quite comical

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to listen to us address these issues. But I had

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mentioned to her that in my research through the Zodiac

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cases and looking at all of these different established crisis

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situations that have been created by the US to make

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it look like we were being attacked so that we

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could go to war with other people, I had explained

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to her that we had these gentlemen rules of uh

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on the on the battlegrounds basically, and this goes all

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the way back to you know, our early wars even

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you know between the South and the North here in

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the United States, where they literally had rules of people

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you could attack and people you couldn't attack in the military, UH,

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so that they could efficiently be led to continue the war.

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When I've always thought, well, take out the guy leading,

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then they'll be lost, the war will be over.

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Right.

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Does that make any sense.

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Me?

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What's that?

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That's what they did with Kennedy. That's how.

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Yeah, they took out the leader and and look, we

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kidnapped a president. That didn't end that issue, right, it

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just created a bigger one. Now we go and we

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take out Iran's leader, that didn't stop it. That created

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an even bigger one, and now people are retaliating. So

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one of the one of the pieces of UH information

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that came up in my phone. And maybe it's because

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they heard I said this, I don't know, but it

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basically says it also highlights hagsss avow during a recent

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news conference that there would be no stupid rules of

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engagement in the war, and asked if the Defense Secretary

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had complied with rules to prevent the commission of war crimes.

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The strike, if a US rule was to be confirmed,

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would amount to one of its worst single cases civilian

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casualties in decades of US conflicts in the Middle East.

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So that's them bombing this this school, right, Yeah, so

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they I think that it has been pretty much solidified

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that we initiated that attack on that school.

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That's what it seems like. But I don't I don't know.

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I still don't know.

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I always like to dive a little bit deeper. To me,

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it seems as though if there was a strike to

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be had, that that would have came from Israel and

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they would have done it.

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Yeah, thank for behalf. I think that's what it is.

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So that led me to the next message that I

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received this morning from my good girlfriend. She's been my

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dentist for more than thirty years. She's even sponsored this

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podcast at one point in time. And it is a

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former marine who fought in Iraq and he is listing,

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so let's start this PowerPoint presentation up because he had

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some numbers on here, and I want to briefly just

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describe what these numbers were so you'll see this. Oh,

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there we go. We'll see right here in the center

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with this marine who fought the Iraq War, and he's

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talking about our aid to Israel. So he's stating that

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we basically annually give them some exorbitant amount of money

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for military defense and aid, and just twenty twenty five

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to twenty twenty six, we've given them three point eight

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billion in military aid. We've given them five hundred million

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in missile defense, eight point seven billion in supplemental aid,

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and five point two billion for the Iron Dome. Does

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anybody know what the Iron Dome is? I know I'm

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gonna sound stupid, but I'm not part of war. I

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stay away as much as possible.

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Okay, I hear about it all the time, but it's

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I don't know what it is exactly to explain, it's.

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One of those secret things we'll never really know, right well,

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maybe forty years from now when it's all outed what

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this whole entire thing was about. And then I guess,

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just randomly, Trump gave him another four billion, so a

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total of twenty two billion dollars in the last year

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to fight this war basically against iron. And so he

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goes on to say that Israel was really one of

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the prime factors that even the ira wore because they

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basically sat there stating that they knew Saddam Hussein was

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avidly working on nuclear weapons and that he must be

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stopped at all costs. So we go in, Yeah, we

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go in and we take him out, and we have

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all of these different allied countries that assist with us,

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and he's showing the loss of the military personnel involved

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in these battles, and it turns out that he says

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not one IDF military member has been killed. So this

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in these wars that Israel keeps starting and creating and

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we keep coming to their aid, they're not even there

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as an ally with US and they suffer no losses.

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And that coincides with the rise of organizations like Blackwater

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private military forces. There's several other British ones. Blackwater is

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the biggest.

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And who is Blackwater?

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There a private military entity from the United States and

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they contracted the Department of Defense to conduct war. They

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were heavy presidence in Iraq. The whole Fallujah thing were

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they murdered some of the black Water guys or killed them,

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you know, war right, Yeah, even gotten involved with ice

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there soil.

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Now that's crazy. It's interesting to see who who who

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owns that company? But I dare say out loud.

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Great book on it and it's religious.

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Right people on it all right. So it says how

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Israel's Dome defense system works. Missile explodes near rocket, destroying it.

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So basically it's an anti anti defense. So with somebody

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fires on them, they have an ability to take it

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out of the sky. So they call that the iron

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dome or the shield, which is the area in which

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they can knock other missiles out of the air. Is

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what it looks like.

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Yeah, that's what I thought explained that right, That.

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Was no, he actually even gave me a picture, so

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I didn't have time to read all of that on there,

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but based on what I'm seeing, this is what it

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looks like, which I would have to assume. And I

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was having this debate with my assistant that we had

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also had this type of technology, and she was under

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the impression that no, we don't, and I'm like, no, no, no,

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that that just can't be true. It doesn't make any sense,

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so I to you, right. So the other thing that

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hit me with this text about US giving Israel all

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of this money to fight this war to boost up

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their military, is that all of this destruction that we

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that we are actually carrying out is at some point

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in time going to have to have retribution, just like Kiroshima.

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Are we going to go back in and now suffer

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the tax paying dollars of the American citizens? This should

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be doing us service. Our tax paying dollars should be

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providing for our homeless, for our people who are low

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income with no food, should be providing for this. But

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we're now going to have to spend money, I'm sure

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to rebuild this area, and it just absolutely disgusts me.

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Do it destroy and.

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It's like nine to eleven alliver again?

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Well, yeah, we perpetrated that against ourselves again making it

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look like somebody else had done it. And that's the

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theme that we just keep seeming to follow. And in

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this particular clip where this marine is talking about this,

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he refers to this war that we're having right now

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as Operation Epstein Fury, and I thought, what the shrek?

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Like a lot we're saying it too. It's like very viral.

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Well, and so I had to look that up. I

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had to Google and hopefully AI is correct, right, like,

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if there's anything that we can count on now, as

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this foresped information into this robot that is putting it

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all together collectively for us, whether it's telling us the

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truth or not, this is the information I came up on,

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it says based on search results up to March twenty

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twenty six. Project Epstein Fury, often referred in the context

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of Operation Epic Fury and the surrounding Epstein Document scandal,

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represents a chaotic intersection of a major military operation and

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a mounting political crisis for the administration of President Donald Trump.

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Here are the key aspects of the system of this situation.

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Operation Epic Fury military action on March first, twenty twenty six,

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President Trump authorized Operation Epic Fury, a joint US Israel

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military campaign against Iran, targeting nuclear facilities, missile sites, and leadership.

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The campaign was presented as a move for peace through strength.

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The distraction narrative the timing of this or similar action

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has been widely interpreted by critics, media commentators, and some

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supporters as a strategy to distract from the intense scrutiny

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regarding the release of Jeffrey Epstein related files, with some

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calling it Operation Distraction from the Epstein Files or using

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the anagram forget Epstein. We know about the Epstein files

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scandal the uncorroborated allegations. In March of twenty twenty six,

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the Department Justice Department released more files, which included uncooborated

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accusations against Donald Trump, which the White House deemed completely baseless.

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Of course they did, of course they did. Oh political

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fallout the situation caused tension, with some supporters feeling betrayed

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and concerned about to cover up. Some commentators described the

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MAGA movement as tearing itself apart over the handling of

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the files. In summary, Epstein Fury refers to the intense

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anger with him a segment of Trump's base regarding the

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withheld Epstein documents. And now I've started seeing more pictures

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come out with Donald Trump and young girls, gross with

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his shirt off. One of them makes it look like

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the girl's got her arm around him. But I caution

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everybody about AI and the ability of some of these pictures. Yeah. See,

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because when I look at the picture of this little

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girl is standing to his right and her arm is

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purportedly all the way up and over, but the way

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the hand is actually positioned on his shoulder is not

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connected to the arm. And her poor little arm would

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have to been like four feet long for her to

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get all the way around Trump and over to the

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other side. And that was just one of them that

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I had the time to view. And I thought, you know,

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just be careful for yourself that you're not putting out

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there bad rhetoric. If there are legitimate pictures, then of

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course share that stuff, but make sure that they're legitimate,

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legitimate pictures before passing them around. Get away the right exactly.

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And and and I don't put anything past him, because

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you know, I've already stated that I believe the band

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aid Florida put on Epstein with his fake little arrest

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in two thousand and six was a stall tactic to

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allow Trump to come up with a way to uh

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get Epstein's yeah yeah, yes, yeah, plausible yeah, plausible deniability

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that he has anything to do with Epstein when it

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is very clear that he was buddy buddy and you

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cannot be buddy buddy with Epstein with knowing what he's

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involved with. I'm sorry, Oh yeah, I don't want to

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hear from any of these people. We just work without.

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Being the friend.

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Even without being his friend, he knew of him and

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was around him because of others and his you know business,

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he still would know even if he wasn't his friend personally.

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Right, and gossip doesn't just happen at the lower level

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of society. I'm sorry. There was words that were said

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that anybody who was associated with Epstein would know exactly

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what he was involved with and into. So that's that

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rant on the Epstein. But then that took me into

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a little bit more research where I wanted to find

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out does Iran even have nuclear weapons? I did not

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know if it were true. This is what Ai says.

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As of March twenty twenty six, Iran is not known

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to possess operational nuclear weapons, but it has developed significant

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uranium enrichment capabilities that place it on the brink of

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potential nuclear weapon production. While holding enough sixty percent enriched

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material for multiple weapons, intelligence suggests it has not taken

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the final step to build a bomb. And here's why.

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The enrichment level is at sixty percent, which is close

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to the ninety I don't see that as close. That's

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that's only two thirds of the way there. That's not close.

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Close would be like ninety eight percent there. But they

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need ninety percent in order to make a nuclear weapon.

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So are they that close? I really don't see that

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they are. So that whole excuse back over here on

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the distraction narrative is that they are going to you know,

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attack with nuclear weapons or we're attacking their nuclear facilities,

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really doesn't hold any water. And that's AI based.

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Well, And don't you remember last year whenever we sent

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these bombs to bomb these certain places over there to

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make sure they didn't have any nuclear weapons.

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So but it was it was it was.

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Done in a strategic way to not cause much destruction

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or or any any cause any harm to any you know,

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persons that may have been in the areas, Like.

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Did y'all remember that.

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That was all because if Charley Kirk, Charlie Kirk went

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to Trump and was like, please don't, please, don't go

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to war over there, and so he agreed to just

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clear facilities.

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Hmmm. Well, and that's what brings me back even need.

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This is what I'm saying.

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We don't because they don't have the capabilities that they're

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claiming that they have or the reason why we're bombing

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these areas. And the fact that we bombed a school

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was no mistake. Make that clear, It was no mistake.

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This is what initiated what is going on right now,

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and whether or not we actively did it. I love

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that the media is playing it off like, well, we

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haven't confirmed that the US is responsible. Well, if the

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US is responsible via the Israel route, then the US

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is responsible. And this whole entire chaos is just absolutely

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Acidine is going to do nothing but cost us money

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and lives, because, as indicated by this marine, IDF soldiers

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are never the casualties. They're well protected with inside their

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little iron dome and their bubble. I'm disgusted anyways, all right, that.

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Was this war, no, and they likened it.

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You know, what is interesting is that it's been likened

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to World War Two, which we know again was a

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way to get the rich Jews out while genocide and

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the lower level of society Jews were all persecuted and

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burnt and enslaved in camps, and we actually had parts

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in that we had our own camp there. We were

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supporting with businesses that provided wood and coal and steel

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and things for this particular war, while we claimed we

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were helped fighting them. It's just it's disgusting that it's

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much bigger than we can imagine, a game than we

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even know, and the chess game is starting to play

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out in a way that it's starting to show the

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reality of how we have up in these type of involvements.

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And they didn't really didn't get through either about the

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what's gonna what's this going to lead to? Well, one

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thing that's going to lead to is a lot of

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the Islamic people hating the United States forever and declared

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gy hod and and maybe terrorism here in the States

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and and you know, all over Europe and different bases

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in the Middle East. Election, and so it's there's so

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many other things that like the straight of hor moves

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the oil they're about one fifth of the world's oil

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is not being shipped out because one fifth of the

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world is well goes with the straight of home moves

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and that shut down because the Iranians have a capability

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to do that.

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And it's misplaced anger.

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They don't have coal ballistic missiles to attack the United States.

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They have to attack what's the region exactly, And it's

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misplaced anger. If these people want to, you know, would

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you say g had if they want to commit to

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hod On on American citizens or anybody who wasn't responsible

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for pushing that button or making that decision. It's no

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different than US rioting in the BLM matters when we

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didn't create this, but you're going to haunt US American

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citizens over it. It's absolutely disgusting.

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It is innocent people are getting killed and harm because

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of the whims of dictator.

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And yeah, I thought this was a religious war. I'm

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obviously completely out of the loop. I think Israel just

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wants to control Iran.

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States both.

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Yeah, but what what do they really have there that

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we want?

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They're old oil?

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Oh okay, so it does take us back to the

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resource they're going to And yeah, they're going to end

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up with those resources anyways, why not just go take them?

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Why not just go take them? We have.

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Full surrender, uncondasional States.

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Wants the United States wants the resources, and Israel wants.

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The land the power that makes.

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Sense, they want their land to Yeah.

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This is not again. This is another one of those

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not our war type things. But we're going to suffer

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and pay for it. And I'm completely disgusted by that.

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And then we voted.

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I don't know if y'all voted three times, but I

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voted three times for that man for Trump.

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I voted for Trump, but I voted for the Republican Party,

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and Trump was a byproduct of that. I think that

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his re entry into office the second round was for

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exactly this purpose that we're seeing right now. Number one,

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to offset the Epstein files, which would demolish most of

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the government officials. I believe not one person still has

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been arrested for any of these acts. I think that

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it was also.

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The INTELLI that was and that wasn't even an American

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decision that was over there.

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For the record, I voted against Trump every single time,

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the person running against him, but against him.

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So this is I thought this was interesting because this

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was the response after this text message about this marine

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from my girlfriend. She she says, I hope they don't

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strike on our shores. This is so freaking unnecessary. All

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Izzy's fault. She's calling Israel Izzy. We are, she says,

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we were enslaved by them. I wish everyone would be

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brave enough to boycott them in mass.

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There like the Frankenstein Monster, and we're like Doctor Frankenstein.

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We gave them the power to wreck havoc in the region.

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All that the show that goes to him, that was

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just in one year one year.

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Why Why are we defending somebody who never defends us,

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who is never anymore?

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Are enforcer the scorpions tail There are enforcers there are

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in that land, and they're ruled by white people.

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Exact reason is right, it is well as was supposed

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to be World War two, right like con.

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And it does it is a religious war as well.

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At the same time.

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Yes, yeah, well we are back on jack now religion.

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Yeah me too. Yeah. I can't imagine that any god

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of any sort of any denominating or any uh different

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culture would want this if they truly believed in God.

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So I've had enough of that mess, August.

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God, there's not ten thousand gods. So I'm as long

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as you love that one God and love people, and

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that's and you're good.

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We don't need anything else.

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And we don't need to tell you who your God

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can be. Let it be whoever you want it to be,

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as long as you're a good person. Yeah, all right,

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So back to Jack August eighteenth, nineteen ninety eight. We're

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still showing them at thirty three fifty Auburn Boulevard. The

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reason why I keep mentioning that they are still here

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at this entress is we're going to see some heavy

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movement here shortly. And this is actually some medications for Nora,

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and we see Jack's handwriting on it. So I wonder

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at this point if Nora has already lost her eyesight

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and that's why we see Jack doing everything, and that

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we saw in nineteen ninety seven was our last written

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words from Nora may also have some play, I think

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as well into her dating of the of the journal,

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and I'm sure that her memory. If you're losing your

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eye sight, you're losing your leg, you're losing you know,

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body parts, your brain cannot be operating maximumly. So we

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do see that he's handling this and telling her how much,

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how many she's supposed to take per day. And of

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course Dennis had told me that she that Nora was

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afraid Jack was trying to kill her, and she refused

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to take her medication. So when Jack would bring it in,

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she'd tongunge it and then once he walked out, she'd

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spit it out and toss it under the bed. Talk

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about that in a little bit. Another one of the doctors,

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for doctor mark Off. We see here this is in

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regards to Nora. Once again, let's see if I have

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any Yeah, this is for Nora Terrence. So this is

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her doctor information. And we see that Jack is writing

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on this one of the addresses for her doctor Lawrence Ellison,

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and he writes building. And the reason why I brought

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that up is because you're either a person who uses

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the word building in an address sequence or you're not.

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Lawrence Ellison would have sufficed care of doctor whomever. And

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then the address right. And the reason I bring that

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up is because in Black Dogs we see the use

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of the word building and it's actually tangled in with

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the street address, so it starts out Herald Express one

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line building. Second line then begins twelve forty three, and

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the next line is Trenton Street, So he's intermingled not

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only the use of the word building, but the actual

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address is kind of a run on sentence there. When

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I got into the Dear draft Board letters, we see

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pretty much exactly the same thing chimes building rooms ten twenty.

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So rooms ten twenty should have been followed after five

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hundred South Salina Street, not tangled in once again with

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the name of the building with the word building in there.

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And of course, when we get back into the nine

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to eleven attacks, we see the word building one more

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time after the Heart Senate Office. The next line starts

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building above the city and state. And when I compared

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that word building with the word building in Black Dahlio,

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we found that the not only did he do it

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in all caps pretty much very similar to the nine

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to eleven attacks, but we also saw this interesting break

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and differential spacing between the last four letters of the word,

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which was consistent with blast volume as well. Yeah yeah,

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so these are these are interpersonal human habits, and filling

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out an envelope is also another one of those things

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that we will all do a little bit differently. In graphology,

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I learned some people will actually put the address to

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the left instead of dead center of the envelope. They

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will put it to the right, or they will, you know,

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do these strange you know combinations like we see building

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and then the beginning of the street address and how

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that works in either one of these.

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So I put mine in the center, yes, and address too.

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Yeah, and that's the proper way to do it. But

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as we all, as human nature, will deviate in different ways.

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When they do deviate, that makes it extremely significant as

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far as a connection is concerned. Yep, So on two.

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Odd the way that it's written ud be the MTG

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that says.

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Right, And yeah, I didn't I failed to bring that up.

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But yes, there's no period after friend or not, the.

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No punctuation to indicate it.

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Yeah, capital C a.

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Well.

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But Jack for whatever reason was never really good, even

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when I go through his own in his own personal communications,

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he was never good at the acronym for the states.

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So we always spelled out the first three to four

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five letters, such as caliph. I mean, he.

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That they would nail something that was spelled like that.

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Well, it's enough, it's enough. To determine its location, so

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Washington he might put something like w A S H

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right like he he always either spelled it completely out

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because he never knew the proper acronym. I believe which is.

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On the Belles is mister Belvin Bellie. Why not be.

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00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:17.799
I think because there was some think. I think bell

469
00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:21.279
I is. I think Belli is in this group. And

470
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:24.000
he's showing a form of respect to bell I by

471
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:28.039
calling him mister and addressing things properly to him when

472
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.960
he fails to address the rest of the address properly.

473
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:34.319
So you got to go into that psychology of giving

474
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.200
him the respect versus the rest of that information.

475
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:40.240
I don't trust bell as far as you can throw him.

476
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:46.400
No, no should I guess his his cultural background. To

477
00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:50.000
tell you, well, Battalion, there's.

478
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:55.799
No coincidence that he was Jack Ruby's.

479
00:27:55.480 --> 00:28:02.200
Lawyer right now, none whatsoever. So we see some checks

480
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:05.960
here where in December third of nineteen ninety eight. Again

481
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:10.079
they are still on Auburn Way, so we were clocking

482
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:13.039
them right on in. We do have these. I had

483
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:18.240
some of his again when he keeps specific things, because

484
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.400
he didn't keep everything. If Jack kept everything, I would

485
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:25.880
not hold so much into the items that he had kept,

486
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:29.160
because it would have been everything. But Jack specifically kept

487
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.000
very strategic things in my mind, and we're going to

488
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:34.759
get to that here in a second, because one of

489
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:39.920
them I think is extremely strategic. But this supports that

490
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:44.000
Jack and Nor we're still in California. It does say

491
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:47.599
here on the eighteenth that GED Charles eight a M

492
00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.920
which I thought was a little strange because we know

493
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:52.400
that they left him in nineteen ninety seven back in

494
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.160
California with Dennis and Joy in order to finish his GED.

495
00:28:56.680 --> 00:28:59.400
So either he didn't finish it while he was here

496
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:02.440
in California and had to come back when he came

497
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.880
back to Sack, or well, they've been back for a

498
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.160
few months at this point, but is showing that he's

499
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:09.480
again attempting his g D on the eighteenth.

500
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:11.720
Uh.

501
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.519
I thought this one was interesting simply because it says

502
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:17.200
bought a cart and a cigarettes. Who marks that on

503
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:17.880
their calendar?

504
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:22.839
Yeah?

505
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:27.079
That either he unless he hasn't smoked in a really

506
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.359
long time and he's like admitting to something that he

507
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.160
quit long ago and.

508
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:34.920
Just to remind him later to stop. I mean that's

509
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:35.960
something I could think of.

510
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.640
Right Or I thought it was funny he needed to

511
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:41.759
remember when he bought him because maybe he thinks somebody's

512
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.960
stealing them from him. Who he wanted to track how

513
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:47.839
many packs there were, And you know.

514
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.359
He used to pick up cigarettes the time that crom scenes.

515
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:57.960
And what would that have to do with him marking

516
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:00.160
his calendar about when he bought it. I I just

517
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:02.720
thought it was interesting. Nobody marks that on their calendar

518
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.000
unless there's a reason to track it. It may very

519
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.799
well be what he said, he fell off the wagon

520
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.440
and he writes that down. But things are very stressful

521
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.240
with Nora right now, so I can completely understand if

522
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:18.960
he started smoking again. Also, I see here that they

523
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.839
these these numbers have been listed and again he did

524
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:28.079
not keep well he did not. No, I think I

525
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:30.839
have this entire calendar. It looks like I did based

526
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.480
on the scan. So I was pulling things out of

527
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:36.119
it that I thought was interesting. One of the things

528
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:37.799
that I was noting on here was some of the

529
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.559
different letter A formations that he used, because I was

530
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:43.599
under the impression that he basically had this more let

531
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.240
me see go back to this. He had this more

532
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:51.319
hard pressed a with had this concaved top that was

533
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:54.119
very angular, and then I started seeing things like in

534
00:30:54.200 --> 00:31:01.559
Congratulations here and in see where it was this doctor Mayo,

535
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:05.720
that A is done more like a curved number two

536
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.880
versus the version that we just saw, and that curve

537
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.039
number two version was used in the Zodiac letters. In fact,

538
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:14.319
it was one of the plights Dennis had in a

539
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.880
version of Robert Graysmith's book that came out that Dennis

540
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.799
then believed Robert Graysmith changed that look of that particular

541
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:25.279
page because it had that bell top a, which in fact,

542
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.359
the FBI was making suspects right when they were doing

543
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:32.880
investigations and interviewing people. So why were they asking for

544
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:35.440
that bell top a. If we can't find that bell

545
00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:38.680
top a today in any of those communications, it screens

546
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.799
that the communications images have been changed for the purpose

547
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.960
of not being able to come to a conclusion. Even

548
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:50.119
though I did, oh, here it is, I did blow

549
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.799
it up. So we had this A, which was Jack's attitude,

550
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.160
I'm gonna call it his attitude A from when he

551
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:01.359
was working at Hewlett Packard and in the military. Again

552
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:04.160
we have that very angular top and then of course

553
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.400
we get over here where he has Nora, and we

554
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:10.319
start to see these rounded versions. Look at that one

555
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:13.440
up there. So some of these are very consistent with

556
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:15.240
some of the other letters. And I'm gonna need to

557
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.759
go back and actually compare those two the letters that

558
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:22.559
are not associated to the zodiac. But I believe part

559
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.799
of a collection that the Zodiac wrote, so that would

560
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:26.319
be something.

561
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.119
My numbers look very small to the zodiac.

562
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:33.240
Oh yes, and I've plotted the numbers out. There is

563
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.720
on every single level, Jack is a match. In the handwriting,

564
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:40.559
the diagrams, the way he puts together an envelope like

565
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:43.079
it just goes on and on and on, and at

566
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.079
some point, if it wasn't him, it would have stopped.

567
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:46.880
At some point I would have went, no, he had

568
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.160
never done this, and now I have to exclude him.

569
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:52.920
And that just did not happen. What last, my my

570
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:56.319
Head's it all right? So February twenty third and nineteen

571
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.960
ninety nine, Nora dies and Jack uses the thirty three

572
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:03.799
to fifty Auburn ard in the death certificate thirty three.

573
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:05.759
I don't know what that means.

574
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:09.759
Free Mason, Oh, but.

575
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:11.880
This is his address. He didn't have a choice over this.

576
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.240
Nora was due to be released November fifteenth, nineteen ninety nine.

577
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:19.119
So basically, she's in the hospital in February and she

578
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.839
had her leg amputated due to infection and diabetes. She

579
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.119
was not on oxygen or any respiratory machines. Yet she

580
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:28.000
was found in a coma on the floor of her

581
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:32.839
hospital room, suffering an anoxic brain injury caused by the

582
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:36.839
oxygen somehow being cut off from her brain. So Dennis

583
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.599
has been banned from the hospital. This time he's talking

584
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:41.640
about aneurysm.

585
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:42.400
Is that what you mean?

586
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:44.799
No? Anoxic brain injury?

587
00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:47.680
Iced to work for a neurosogoon.

588
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:50.079
H I don't know. I don't know either. I don't

589
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:52.240
know where I even got that information. I must have

590
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.440
picked it up somewhere. I will have to check it

591
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:55.640
now that you call me out on.

592
00:33:55.559 --> 00:34:00.400
It, Well I didn't usually, I know, like so many

593
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.640
because I've worked there for ten years.

594
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:06.200
You sound like you went underwater.

595
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:08.719
Oh can you hear me?

596
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:11.440
Yeah, you just sound like you went underwater. You were

597
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:13.519
very clear before, and now I get kind of this hollow.

598
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:14.960
I'm in the bathroom, feel.

599
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.840
Not in the bathroom. But worked for a nurse urgeon

600
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.199
for ten years and.

601
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:23.480
You've never heard of it? Okay, Well that's something we

602
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.440
can Jack no time to waste. But this was in

603
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:30.360
Jack's book, he said, Dennis's book. Jack almost pulled off,

604
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:33.039
pulled this off, but things didn't go as they were planned.

605
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:35.679
Jack planned on my mother meeting death the day she

606
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:37.960
went into a coma. Now Jack was faced with the

607
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.320
possibility of Mom coming out of the coma and then

608
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:43.519
she could let someone know what he did. Jack was

609
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:45.840
able to carry out his murder, but made a fatal

610
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:49.400
mistake in the process. Jack brought suspicion upon himself by

611
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.960
his desperate attempts to overcome the unexpected. He only left

612
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.719
suspicion in one person, and this person is the last

613
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:58.679
person you want to double cross. That one person is me.

614
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.519
So basically, while Jack, while Dennis's mom is suffering in

615
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:05.480
the hospital, all of a sudden, Dennis tries to come

616
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:08.320
and visit her and he's being blocked by the security guards.

617
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:10.440
He's being totally can't go in that a bomb threat

618
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.159
was called in and they stated that it was Dennis

619
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:18.400
that did it. Now he is blaming right, yeah, he

620
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:22.320
is blaming Jack for this actual act because he knows

621
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:24.880
he didn't call in any type of a bomb scare.

622
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:27.519
But he is now being prevented from seeing his mom,

623
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:29.159
and of course he was not able to be there

624
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.880
with his mom when she passed. He was evicted basically

625
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:35.519
from the hospital and not allowed to come back. And

626
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.639
his perception is is that when she went into this

627
00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.039
coma that it was likely something that Jack had done

628
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:42.159
to her that caused it because she wasn't having any

629
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:47.480
respiratory issues. And subsequently, when she went into that coma,

630
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:49.159
if there was a fear that Jack had she was

631
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:50.880
going to come out of it. She is now one

632
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:55.519
leg down, basically blind as the information goes, and basically

633
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:57.880
going to be a complete burden on Jack, which we

634
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.039
see Jack didn't even really like her the year previous

635
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:03.840
when he's going through congestph car failure, so he does

636
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.559
whatever he can to get Dennis blocked and banned from

637
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:09.440
the hospital, and Dennis believes that he cut off the

638
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:14.320
oxygen to Norris, causing her death. Over all.

639
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:19.679
See well, and that also shows like his control that

640
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.920
he had, that he had that type of control that

641
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:26.000
he could prevent someone from visiting their mother while they

642
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:26.480
were dying.

643
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.199
Well and check this out. So while Dennis was convinced

644
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.199
that Jack had something to do with her, death, and

645
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:35.400
after finding out years later that Dawn, Jack's brother was

646
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.239
working as an orderly in the very same hospital, so

647
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:40.800
it could have been Jack's brother that called in this

648
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:44.199
bomb scare. I just thought you got to be kidding me, Like,

649
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.159
what are the chances? Dennis remembers Jack talking taking a

650
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:50.239
shot with his knife, with his knife at him at

651
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.880
a storage shed, and Charles pulled the cock knife from

652
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:56.119
Jack's hand, which infuriated him. So I guess Jack was

653
00:36:56.159 --> 00:37:00.679
ready to spear Dennis with a knife and Charles had

654
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.079
to rip it out of his hand. But this was

655
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:05.119
another one of those stories where there's no love for

656
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:06.440
this family from Jack.

657
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.039
How often do you see bomb threats at hospitals?

658
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:15.239
You just don't anally? And how did they identify who

659
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:22.719
it was? This is Dennis right, well, and nobody would

660
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:23.000
do that.

661
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.400
What power had they given Jack to decide who it

662
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:28.679
is or who it was?

663
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:33.599
It wasn't about a power given to Jack. They believe

664
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:35.800
Jack was the one that perpetrated the call.

665
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.079
Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying, but like they believed him,

666
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:40.079
Like how do you just believe?

667
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.719
No, if you call it a bombs well, right, call

668
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.519
it a bomb scare? And then what say, I'm Dennis Kaufman,

669
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:47.400
so that you get banned when you try to come

670
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.119
in and see your momb You're right, and no one's right.

671
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.840
Nobody would do that to themselves. Now, well, now we

672
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:56.360
actually see on March twenty fourth and nineteen ninety nine,

673
00:37:56.400 --> 00:38:02.400
we do have a see an unsolved murder of thirty

674
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.039
five year old Victoria Dean Sunday Brutin. Now, of course,

675
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.840
this is a good month after Nora has passed, and

676
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:10.880
we know that Jack is on the run and he's

677
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:13.159
moving around and I'm going to show you how that works.

678
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.000
But we do see that he's crossing Nora out, so

679
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.719
that does mean that she has already passed. And this

680
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:22.119
is on July third of nineteen ninety nine. He's crossed

681
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:24.320
out the address that tells us he's no longer at

682
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:27.440
Auburn Boulevard. But we don't know where he is collectively

683
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:30.079
at this point I can guess, but I'm going to

684
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.519
assume it is probably back to Texas. And then we're

685
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:37.440
going to see that he has actually moved back into Arizona.

686
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:41.760
So I was under the impression that this particular expiration

687
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:43.920
date of two thousand and five was when he was

688
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:49.960
back well, that his stay in Arizona had only been

689
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:53.400
one stay during ninety three to ninety whatever it was.

690
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:55.960
And it actually turns out or was that, Yeah, it

691
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.000
was in the nineties when he was in Arizona on

692
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.800
Copley Drive. But now we see the phone book and

693
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.119
has his driver's license, which is an Arizona driver's license

694
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.679
with an expiration date of two thousand and five, so

695
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:09.880
we are finding him back in Arizona at this point

696
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:12.920
in time. It turns out that a relative actually owns

697
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:16.800
Copley address, which Dennis has indicated and given some information

698
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:22.599
in regards to that. And here is the actual storage

699
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.639
shed where Jack stored his stuff in Arizona. So Jack

700
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:29.639
moves back to Flagstaff, Arizona in his travel trailer that

701
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.039
he parks on the property of ant Babe. We heard

702
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:36.119
about ant Babe in Nora's diary. Though this check looks

703
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.960
like a rent check to Betty Sterner for September third

704
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.639
of nineteen ninety nine. Jack left a storage shed full

705
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.639
of stuff when he left Arizona and headed back to Dale,

706
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.960
Texas in late of October nineteen ninety nine. This is

707
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.960
a picture the storage shed at fifty three eighty eight

708
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:58.199
talking to the kit. What's that I lost her?

709
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:03.519
How do you get the Yeah?

710
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:07.719
Where did I get the chat? They like random and

711
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:10.239
you're cutting in and out, so I'm not getting you

712
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:17.000
clearly and a luster, maybe I can explain this, all right?

713
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:21.079
So it has the address fifty three eighty eight Copley Drive,

714
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:26.639
flag Flagstaff, Arizona. I can now you're asking where I

715
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:27.559
got the chat connection.

716
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:30.440
Yeah, well, this is wondering if it was one of

717
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:32.000
those things that they give him back to you. I

718
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:33.400
know they used to give him back to you when

719
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:35.239
I was when I was like, uh.

720
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:38.679
Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah, all right, yes, exactly. That's a

721
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.199
Jack is in possession of these, and Jack chose to

722
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.280
keep it for whatever reason. Again, he didn't keep every

723
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.960
single check, so why does he keep these red herrings

724
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:49.559
as I call them? So this one actually lists the

725
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:51.920
Kopley address, and we can see by September third of

726
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.039
nineteen ninety nine, he is definitely in Flagstaff, Arizona. He's

727
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.079
making a rent check to Betty Sterner and this is

728
00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.679
the storage shed in Arizona where his items were. He

729
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:01.519
has also had a.

730
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:06.599
It looks like it's not usable. Anymore. It looks pretty old.

731
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:09.880
I'm sure it's dilapidated, but out there in the country

732
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:11.920
you can store anything you want as long as you

733
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.679
don't mind it being eaten up by rats and stuff like.

734
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.599
Whatever it is. I just know that this is where

735
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.320
Dennis eventually went to pick up Jack's belongings in Arizona

736
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.000
when Jack gave him permission to go get it. So

737
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:27.480
we see that Charles has now been added to the

738
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:32.079
account and they are in Arizona now. I also noted

739
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:35.880
that these items, this the green metal box and the

740
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.239
tupperware box that had things like the knife that Dennis

741
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:41.960
believed was used in Black Dahlia, the dried out pilot

742
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.360
razor pens we believe were used in the Zodiac communications,

743
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.199
jewelry that may possibly have come from the hitchhiker murders.

744
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.719
Pre cut cord or rope. Now why this, I don't

745
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:56.280
know why this was never taken from from Dennis, because

746
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:58.519
I think this could have been something that was directly

747
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.920
compared to any number of these victims that were tied

748
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.559
up or hog tied with this type of rope. But

749
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:05.360
this is the type of rope that was found in

750
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:10.000
the trunk of Jack's car. Let's see here, this looks

751
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:12.039
like some key chains that had to happen to go

752
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:17.440
back to Michigan and to Illinois. So again we have

753
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:20.400
more red herrings that are just kind of plodding around

754
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.320
and placing. And these were precious enough for Jack to

755
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:27.159
actually contain in a single set of boxes.

756
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:32.079
Yes, Zodiac like to maintain mementos of his conquests and.

757
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:36.679
Whatnot exactly in the original letters. Having gone missing altogether

758
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.199
means that we couldn't do a direct comparison of the ink.

759
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.360
But this could have been tested by any means.

760
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:43.599
Yeah.

761
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.280
So the green metal box and tupperware container where the

762
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.840
roles of film, knives, earrings, pilot felt to pens, and

763
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:52.480
other miscellaneous items were found in the story shed in Flagstaff, Arizona.

764
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:57.039
This is provided by Stephen Dewhurst's book here, and Dennis

765
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.880
believed they were definitely memorabilia from the Zodiac climes or

766
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:04.400
least related crimes in the California area. Now, what got

767
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.480
even more interesting, you guys, is the coincidence that the

768
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.719
next set of unsolved murders on October twentieth to the

769
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:13.480
twenty sixth of nineteen ninety nine. Now, I had played

770
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.360
around with the data. I wasn't sure what it was,

771
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:18.599
but hear they're saying the cold case opened October twenty fifth,

772
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:21.360
which means that the murders must have taken place somewhere

773
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.679
on or abouts the twenty fourth to the twenty fifth,

774
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.400
and it is the murders of forty five year old

775
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.719
Michael Alexander, forty four year old Richard Barnes, and forty

776
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:34.239
six year old Lynn Patrick in Belmont, Arizona. Now, I

777
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:37.519
only captured this unsolved case because it was in Arizona,

778
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:39.800
but I didn't not till this last week that when

779
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.719
I looked it up that it's thirteen minutes from where

780
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:47.599
Jack's staying. Oh wow, there's nothing happening, No murder's back

781
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:51.639
here in California. But thirteen minutes from where Jack is

782
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:56.599
currently living is this triple homicide. So it was interesting

783
00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:58.880
because as I went through some of the information, I

784
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.880
clicked out the cold case opened October twenty fifth, nineteen

785
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.400
ninety nine. The bodies of three victims were discovered in

786
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.800
and around a trailer that's up Jack Sally in the

787
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.400
forest outside Belmont, a small unincorporated community near Flagstaff. No

788
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:15.159
arrests were made and the triple homicide has been labeled

789
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:21.000
a cold case by the Cocinou Cocanino County Sheriff's office.

790
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:23.920
The area had been marked for logging, and once investigators

791
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:25.760
cleared out the scene, many of the trees at the

792
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:29.320
site were quickly cut down. So basically, they're saying they

793
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.760
came in and bulldozed this area within a week of

794
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.800
a crime scene. What that Who? It's so wrong.

795
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:42.079
It's just like Martin Luther King in Memphis, Like within

796
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:44.519
the next day, I think they cut down all these

797
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:48.719
trees and bushes and shrubs that were sniper could have

798
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:52.679
hidden to shoot King. They were gone next day.

799
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.400
Was that something that also happened in the JFK shooting,

800
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.239
like the grassy nole types, you know.

801
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.280
Stuff was still there, Okay, but they aborted everyone's attention

802
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:09.880
to the school book depositor. Yeah, and tried to deflect

803
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:13.199
attention behind on the grassy goal.

804
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:14.840
Right, but everyone knows.

805
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:19.280
Yeah, even people run towards the fens after the shots

806
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.760
for they saw like, you know, smoke from a gunshot

807
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:26.000
and they sense that it came from there. Just wait,

808
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:27.960
you know, the bullet.

809
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:31.440
Hit his head and his head right, yeah, right, well,

810
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:33.800
it says that that part of the forest where the

811
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:36.199
victims were camping, they were going to harvest the wood

812
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:38.599
out of there, and lumber companies could come in there

813
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:41.239
and cut those trees down. Joan said, within a week,

814
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:43.760
all the trees that were around the trailer were gone.

815
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:48.079
His theory involves the perpetrator or perpetrators wounding Alexander, killing

816
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:50.480
Patrick and Barnes, leaving the scene, and then returning to

817
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.559
kill Alexander and shoot the other two victims again who

818
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:57.400
were already dead. Raw, which was an investigative reporter, recalled

819
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:01.199
several details from her time at this crime scene. Journalist

820
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.679
explained how the sheer number of shots fired and the

821
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:06.880
isolation of the site specifically stood out to her when

822
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:12.280
she visited WOW. Another excerpt on it is that Alexander

823
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.199
was Patrick's boyfriend and Barnes was a friend. Jones said

824
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.719
that it is likely more than one person was involved

825
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.880
in the killing. It's just a very dynamic scene, Joan said.

826
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:23.519
Some of the shots were fired after the victims were dead.

827
00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:27.360
They wanted these people dead. Jones said, so, why did

828
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.679
they want these people dead and why did they clear

829
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.440
this crime scene? The victims' bodies were found by a

830
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.239
neighbor in the forest near Belmont of Forest Road one

831
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:38.639
seventy one. Barnes was found in a trailer at the campsite,

832
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:42.079
while Patrick was found outside on the edge of the campsite.

833
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.719
A body of Alexander was face up on pine needles

834
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:46.880
of the forest floor. So they came back to make

835
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:48.920
sure the job was done. And that's very mob like.

836
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:56.159
Yeah, that's literally overkill, overkill several people Manson murders. There's

837
00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:59.079
a theory that Manson went back to the seat of

838
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:05.519
the crime to shit, leave other clues and to make

839
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:06.760
sure everyone's.

840
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.519
Dead wouldn't be surprised. So it says several people interviewed

841
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:12.920
soon after the shooting desks of Richard Barnes, Lynn Patrick,

842
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:16.679
and Michael and Alexander, but no solid suspects information developed

843
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:19.719
at the time. Fingerprint DNA evidence from the October nineteen

844
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.320
nine killings are being analyzed and witnesses are being re interviewed,

845
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:25.719
but they're saying that they really don't have any information

846
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:28.719
left on this case to go over because when they

847
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:31.599
try to even idealize what the crime scene look like,

848
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:33.760
while they have pictures, none of those trees are there

849
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.960
for them to re enact that case. Sheriff's Cold Case

850
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.639
Unit investigator Chuck Jones said, there are no leads and

851
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:42.440
the motive isn't known. I have an idea what may

852
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:44.800
have happened, Joan said, but I got to let the

853
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.559
evidence take me where it's going. Jones said, the case

854
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:50.719
still will be difficult to prove in court, even if

855
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:55.519
suspect information is developed. I think that the idea here

856
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:57.800
is to figure out why they were killed. I'm just

857
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.960
absolutely blown away by the fact fact that that set

858
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.679
of murders is thirteen miles from where Jack was living

859
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:08.679
at that time and right up as Alley murder could

860
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:12.639
have been anything needing money at this point because Jack

861
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:16.280
is now down one probably social Security income, with Nora

862
00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:19.480
be and dead, and he has to make his moves around.

863
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:25.199
But I do show that then his rent came do

864
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:29.400
and was up as of October of nineteen ninety nine,

865
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:34.800
as it were. Let's see here, yeah, October nineteen ninety nine.

866
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.760
We then see him up and go back to Texas,

867
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:41.239
but then ultimately moves to Oregon, and this right here,

868
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:43.239
I want to now look at these because all of

869
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:46.039
these different murders are unsolved murders during the years that

870
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:51.119
Jack was known to be in or around Arizona. So

871
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:53.559
it makes me now want to look at these particular

872
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:55.960
murders and that's why are there and look at some

873
00:48:56.039 --> 00:49:00.239
of these things. I mean, what I got this one minute?

874
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:04.159
Where is it? Okay? This particular url is the Lumberjack

875
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:10.440
on jack central dot org. Wow, this one nineteen eighty five,

876
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:12.880
Virgil Hope was found shot to death and his trailer

877
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:16.880
Neil Happy Jack on October fourteenth. Yeah, a lot of

878
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:21.760
Jack connections there. Anyways, we will pick up in two

879
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.039
thousand when we come back. That's where we're going to

880
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.480
find Jack and organ we're going to start discussing that.

881
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:28.679
I just don't think it's a coincidence that he happens

882
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.840
to be thirteen minutes from a triple homicide where heavy

883
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.039
gun use was used and they came back to make

884
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.960
sure that the suspects were dead. So on that note,

885
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:39.559
that is all we have. You guys, thank you both

886
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:42.719
for being here today. Very intriguing conversation in regards to

887
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:46.159
this whole Iran issue, and I hope to see everybody

888
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:48.400
next Friday. You guys have a great weekend.

889
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:51.159
Are we going to know a little back, but don't

890
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:52.480
your stuff. Next time.

891
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:55.639
We can, but I think we're going to be.

892
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:58.960
At Jill and that suspect Mark Hansen.

893
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:02.119
We can talk about that. I didn't. I forgot all

894
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:03.960
about that, but we can talk about that. I'll text

895
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:06.000
you after we're done. Guys, I'll see y'all later.

896
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.000
Take care, take care,