March 6, 2026

Jack and Nora 1997-1999, Part 2

Jack and Nora 1997-1999, Part 2
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Hunter Thompson, journalist, is accused of being a possible Zodiac Killer suspect because of his handwriting. We will look at how his handwriting compares to that of the Count Marco or Red Phantom Letter as it is known by the Zodiac. Jack is most definitely on the move during this time. We will find him in Texas, Arizona, California, Oregon, and Nevada all in a very short period of time after his mother and wife dies.

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Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome the show today. When he met Hey, Hi,

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good morning.

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Good morning.

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How are you good? Are you? I'm good? You sound

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so clear? And Chris, Oh maybe this this these new headphones?

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Yay cool. Maybe I'll finally learned when I use them.

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That's okay. I just learned how to use the timer

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on my smart watch that I didn't even know it existed.

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I was looking to do my I my heart rate variability,

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and I skipped across. Oh my gosh, I have a timer.

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A watch is a watch? People.

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I know you just want to something new every day.

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Literally, I could if I had the time. I just

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simply don't have the time with this. I don't even

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think I had music on my phone until probably like

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the last four or five years. So while everybody else

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is like MP three streaming and doing all this stuff,

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I'm like, no, I need my battery for my phone.

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Yeah, well, I guess.

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I guess I'm kind of that same boat, I would think,

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because I mean, yeah.

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That when my girlfriend just told me she slid into

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my dms on Instagram and I bolt fell over. I said,

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you did what? She's like, come on, you don't know

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what a DM is? You into someone's DM? I said,

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I do. I've just never had it happen to me

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before because I never owned it, like Instagram or staff Chattered.

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I've never owned any of these accounts up until probably

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the last month. And she just discovered it. She lives

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in Florida, and she said that she sent me a

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recipe by it, but then had to text me to

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tell me. Yeah, for that social media stuff, I bed

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my assistant to do that. Oh that's hilarious. Well, I

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was starting out today with just some rhetoric. It was

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interesting that I got yesterday because last week we talked

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about this eighty year old man in this handwriting case

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that I had, and he had received this propaganda from

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I think it was like Conservative Association of Waste by

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the government or something like that. And his responses were

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absolutely hilarious, Like he wrote on their duh, Like he's

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eighty years old and he's writing capital d.

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And he's like, every time they say something, just reprint

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the law larger and larger each time they disagree, and

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show them it's a law on the books. They have

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to follow it, but we can exactly clearly see that's

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not what the government does. Right.

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Yeah, I love it when I see old people online.

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I love it. It gets me so excited.

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I don't even know why, but it's just so exciting

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for me, Like an eighty year old online, Oh my god,

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it's so cool to me.

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Well, and we were just talking last week about Jack

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in his experience with the internet. So mind you, we're

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in nineteen ninety seven and he's signing up for the Internet,

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and at that time he is probably seven twenty eight

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I think is he twenty eight? I think he's twenty eight. Yeah,

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nineteen twenty eight is when he was born, so he's

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not terribly old at that point, but he's getting up there.

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He's getting up towards the seventies. But he's always been

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technologically sound, so you know that it didn't shock me

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that he was getting the internet. But how did he

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have the money to do something that most Americans couldn't

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afford to do at the time.

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I don't think my mom had one in ninety seven.

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I know my family didn't. There was absolutely yeah that

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was that was not a computer in the home. M

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I don't even think. I'm took my dad a bit

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longer to do.

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My grandmother got was the first one to get one,

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I know, because she was they retired to the beach,

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and she wanted to what sohow to communicate with everybody?

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So she got one and we and then we would

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email each other back and forth after so many years

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after she'd had her computer.

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So that was a that the funnest thing emailing yes.

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I miss that, I do, I really do.

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I go back to my old original email, the first

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email I ever had, sometimes just to reminisce really.

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Yeah, And I had to in a case. One of

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the cases that I was working on was a will

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that had been forged and had been produced in twenty

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seventeen after being non existent. The man died in twenty fifteen,

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and in twenty seventeen this will pops up, and by

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twenty nineteen, my client is contacting me to render an

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opinion on the signature. So I went to the courthouse

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to view the will, and the will purported to have

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been made in two thousand and one, but it was

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extremely bright. I was like, Wow, this is the brightest

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white piece of paper that's twenty something years old that

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I've ever seen. So I am back and a woman.

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I climbed into I kept an e and not an

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email file, if you will, but it was all emails

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in there from me and one of my best friends

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when we first got onto the internet and started emailing

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each other. And I had all of these emails from

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two thousand and one in that file, which has been

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kept in a filing cabinet all these years, basically protected

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from most things. But when I pulled them out, the

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variation and degree of yellowing that occurred from two thousand

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and one through like twenty seventeen was very apparent. Which

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one was from two thousand and one. So I went

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in and I snapshoted pictures of the will next to

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these different gradations of color on the emails that I had,

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and it mapped out literally to twenty seventeen. When my

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client says, you believe they built and forged this will,

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I was blown ut Like the whiteness of it was

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precisely twenty seventeen we lost, which is kind of unfortunate.

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I couldn't believe a judge, somebody who probably handles documents

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more than anybody else that I would know of in

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my life, didn't understand that premise that there should have

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been aging on that paper that didn't occur, on top

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of the fact that the signature was a trace forgery.

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So a little disappointed, But sometimes these judges they think

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they know best and they're going to decide, yeah, we

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want to control Anyways, the rhetoric that I got yesterday

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was a brochure, say, voters, sign voters, your signature will

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help stop waste and fraud. Now ask me how I

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feel about that.

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The scare.

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Anything that's targeting voters. They're up to something.

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Good morning, Nolan, welcome to the shows. Well, they want

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our signatures, obviously to place on the ballot. They say

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a Transparency Act, which is supposed to well we'll get

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to that, but just to read this stuff was quite comical,

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knowing what we've been dealing with and knowing that we

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can't control what any politician does. I mean, we saw

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newsome re rezone what is that redistrict California because he

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claims he wants to to uh pounce back at Trump

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for redistricting Texas in Florida? Will those people redistrict on

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their own? But he wants to call it Trump in

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order to you know, satiate his his constituents into voting

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to remove something we voted for before, which was allowing

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somebody other than politicians to handle the redistricting for voting purposes.

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So do we really have any control? No, but I

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laugh that this is going to get it on the ballot,

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and even if we vote for it, what does that mean? Well,

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the letter that we read last week from the eighty

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year old basically stated that the d OJ was preventing

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the the igs from going in and investigating different frauds

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and wasteful spending and different things like what they mentioned,

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sex parties with the Obama administration and the DA and

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all of these things. So if they can still prevent

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it in the end, isn't this just meant to play

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on our emotions. Oh yeah, that's what.

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That's what. That's that's how they get to you. It's

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literally the easiest way is through your emotion. That's why

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it's so important when you're researching to set that emotion aside,

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like completely eliminate it from what you're doing, because if

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you don't, then you won't have you won't have that

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clear mindset to see what you need to do.

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What you need to see. Yeah. Well, it goes on

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to say politicians have wasted billions on failed programs with

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too little to show for it. Californias can't afford to spend,

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can't afford more wasteful spending. That's why it's critical that

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you sign and return the official petition arriving soon in

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a separate envelope package. When you receive it, please fill

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it out carefully and return it promptly, because the deadline

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is approaching and it's urgent we qualify for the ballot

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to stop the politician's waste. I love the near empowerment

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that they're trying to imply with this, that is, if

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we actually do vote for it, that it's going to

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become something that we can then rely on or count on.

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I don't know who this organization is that's doing it.

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But they went on to say voters can stop the politicians,

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I again giggled, from spending billions of our tax.

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The more signatures that get on the ballot, is that

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the deal.

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Yeah, I think he needs something like two hundred and

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fifty thousand signatures, right, right, So they're going to be

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sending this out. And of course, why wouldn't every single

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California sign this, Californian sign this, right, Why wouldn't everybody

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want to stop or bring accountability? But it says we

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can stop the politicians from spending billions of our tax

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dollars unfailed programs. Your signature will bring accountability and transparency

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and the waste California voters in the coming days that

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we see the blah blah containing official voter petition for

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the Transparency Act. This important measure is designed to help

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stop waste, sproaden abuse of our tax dollars and give

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voters the information we need to hold politicians accountable. The

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Transparent the Act will, it says, require independent financial audits

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of new taxes. But it's not going to provide people

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to stop the people who stop us from doing those

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audits that we saw in that twenty sixteen letter last week.

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It says require audit results to be posted publicly, including

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in the voter information guide, and require new taxes to

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comply with California's state spending limit, ensuring excess revenues are

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refunded to taxpayers not handed to special interests either way.

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Is this where they say our vote counts. I just

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thought that was kind of kind of comical because right

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now they are talking about coming in and investigating California

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and Governor Newsom. I mean, we did see on one

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of those they used a beautiful picture of our downtown

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homeless camp in the actual brochure, and of course everybody

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is really kind of giving kudos to Newsome for his

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allowance and letting that the homeless can't continue. And what's

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at with that?

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You could comment on politicians and the homeless issue. Yeah,

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it seems like everyone wants to throw money at it,

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to the point of spending one hundreds of thousand dollars

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for each homeless person and nothing ever helps. Why don't

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we try not spending a dime for like a year

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to see what happens. I mean, it's not I think

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we'll be about to say, and the problem is not

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ever going to go away no matter how much we spend.

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Now, well, if people are dead set on doing drugs

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and living on the streets and not you know, picking

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up and moving on and building something with their life,

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there's nothing we can do about that. I don't know

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how we could, you know, get them out, because I

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feel like if they didn't put any money towards the

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homelessness problem, that it, like you said, it's only going

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to get bigger. And then who's impacted by that? You know?

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I feel bad for the people who have to live in,

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or around or walk past that particular homeless camp.

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It's a political football. It just you have to if

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you're electric politician. It's an issue with the public because

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people don't like seeing the homeless people. They're isores in there.

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They're actually I've been attacked by a homeless.

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God, I remember that. So it's a problem.

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But all the money that they throw out is to

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throw at it is not helping.

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That's at a point I know that here in Citrius Heights,

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and I found this out the hard way. One Thanksgiving

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I decided to get up and make a massive amount

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of breakfast burritos. I mean a massive amount. I probably

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spent a good four or five hours on this, and

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I went out to try and give them to the

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homeless people that were in the area. And it turns

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out Citrus Heights relocates the homeless during the holidays, so

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they don't play on our empathies so that they're not

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asking us. Yeah, I was like blown away. I could

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not find one homeless person to give a burrito too.

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I had to drive thirty five minutes out of my

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way to Rialinda, you know what I'm talking about, Nolan,

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in order to find homeless camps in order to be

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able to pass out all of this food that I made.

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So it's interesting the tactics that they'll take and the

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money that they'll spend and do what they do. But

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then that's because they want us to not be handing

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our money to them, not to be empathetic for them,

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but to be out buying, you know, Christmas gifts for people,

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because that's what makes them money, not us helping somebody

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else out. Either way. Ah, here was another letter that

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was sent to me at one point in time. These

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are called the Hunter Thompson Gonzo Communications or Gonzo letters.

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The individual who sent them to me was under the

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impression there was a possibility that either A he was

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the Zodiac or b the Zodiac wrote these letters on

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Hunter Thompson's paper. I don't really recall, it's been so

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long ago since I I addressed it, and I know

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that when I was working on these letters, Terry Vee

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was extremely interested in them and had made comments about

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how you know, he believed that the little red heart

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statement in these letters led back to Jack Terrence because

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he had a heart on his arm for his mom.

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Blah blah blah. I've been told that these letters were

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very consistent with the Dear Marco letter or the red

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Phantom letter that was too it was about Count Marco,

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which was I believe a columnist, Right, did I lose Nolan?

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I done lost Nolan writing a journalist question. Anyways, When

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I put these letters side by side, there are some

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I mean, I think that the most nagging characteristic that

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occurs is the way that he oh backwards, is the

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way that he carries off the end of one of

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his letters way down deep into the next line, which

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I wanted to be able to show people some differences

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here because he tangles a lot, And so we can

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see like in the word nothing here and this g

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is moving right into the word the This is somebody

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that is so busy, has so many fires or so

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many irons in the fire, that he doesn't know what

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to do with himself, and its it complicates the reading

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because it's dragging through the next line. That's nothing that

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you see happening really here inside of the red phantom letter.

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While we do see it dipping down into the next line,

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it's not literally tangling up with the next word beneath it.

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So that's a very big difference in the graphological world

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when we're talking about space and use of space and

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how busy this individual over here is versus how not

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busy the person who's committing the serial killings are. And

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that's kind of I think that that was my thought

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every time they named somebody who was very busy, either

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making movies, making you know, documentaries, and starting nightclubs and

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doing all these things. These people are too busy to

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be out there praying on people and writing law enforcement.

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They've got better things to do with themselves. There you are, Nolan,

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you know, Count Marco, did you ever you did?

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Yeah? Okay, he was in the chronicle. I believe he

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was a columnist.

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Columnists, Okay, so he basically just wrote articles for them

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or was he like writing like dear a letter.

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No, he answered letters, but he also wrote columns. He

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was very well known. And that's why the Zodiac wrote

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to it.

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Well, and he says the red Phantom says, since the

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Count can write anonymously, so can I.

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Yeah, Zodiac, that's a Zodiac letter, right, No.

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Yeah, But what I'm saying is is that he's he's

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he's intimating that Count Marco is writing under a pseudonym

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or some some is anonymously.

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It's made up name.

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Yes, I forget that, Okay, that's what I was looking

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for them, right. I never checked them out because the same.

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Name as those up porn guys. What's that strip club? What? Yeah, yes,

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there's a famous strip club in San Francisco, Mitchell Brothers.

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He might have been related to them, I don't, I forget,

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But anyway, he just took on the name cam markup.

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Well. I was hoping by putting these letters side by side,

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that you could look at them and see the differences

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between the handwriting itself, and to note that those differences

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are pretty severe. And in the fact that this is

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the disguise that the Zodiac chose to use, which are

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these long, dragging tails and exit strokes that are occurring,

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is that we don't see things like the hyphenation and

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and some of the forms. Like Hunter Thompson, it looks

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to me like he always used a capital letter R.

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And we've talked about this before that the Zodiac clearly

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wrote an all in proper capitalation for capitalization form with

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lowercase letters, and we don't see more or less these

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capital letter rs and things like that that were accidentally

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dropped in any of the communications. So when we found

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a capital letter R, it was obviously intended and it

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was a ruse and a disguise. It was not because

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he actually used that like we see in Hunter Thompson's writing.

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Story looks like this to relic the artists that accompanied

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him on the Kentucky Derby article, and they got a

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bunch of shenanigans, but they also did collaborating on other things, right.

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Well, And when you read it it sounded like he

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was a little bit mad at him.

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Ralph wrote, yeah, yeah, okay, because he.

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Says things like the jokes over Ralph, you sucked on

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my back long enough, like, and he makes references to

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being pan sexual or having pants. But thanks anyway for

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this rotten pan sexual art. So deadman? Was he an artist?

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Yeah? Speak of the drawings for some of the Thompson articles,

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the most famous being the the what's it? The Kentucky

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Derby one that's where they almost got arrested, almost got

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killed and did a ton of drugs and liquor. Deedman

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wasn't used to that. Yeah, Thompson kind of turned him

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out a little bit.

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Well, Thompson has a very interesting past, so it says.

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In nineteen sixty seven, shortly before the Summer of Love,

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Thompson wrote the Hashberries is the Capital of the Hippies

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for the New York Times magazine, and he criticized Sam

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Francisco's hippies is devoid of both the political convictions of

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the New Left and the artistic core of the Beats,

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resulting in a culture overrun with young people who spent

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their time in pursuit of drugs. The thrust is no

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longer for change or progress or revolution, but merely to

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escape to live on the far perimeter of a world

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that might have been, perhaps should have been and strike

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a bargain for survival in purely personal terms. He wrote

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later that year, Thompson is right. They provide us with

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whatever it is that they want to distract us with.

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You know, they feed the inner cities with drugs. They

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throw cell phones into children's hands. It's something every decade,

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I think, says Later that year, Thompson and his family

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moved back to Colorado and rented a house and would

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he creaked a small mountain a hamlet outside Aspen and

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in early nineteen sixty nine, Thompson received a fifteen thousand

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dollars royalty check for the paperback sales of Hell's Angel

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and used a portion of the proceeds on a downpayan

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on a home and property where he would live for

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the rest of his life. It was one hundred and

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ten acre piece of land that cost him seventy five thousand,

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and he named the house Owl. Farman often described it

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as his fortified compound. So interestingly enough, while he was

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being accused I'm guessing of being the Zodiac, it shows

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that he was off in Colorado, not even in the

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California area. And then, of course I want to say

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that he spent a year let's see its notes. Purportedly,

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Oh and he purportedly committed suicide at the age of

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sixty seven. Let me see if I can figure out

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his output declined too. What's that.

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A hundred timeson? Was a gun for a lots of guns?

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He also ran for sheriff of Aspen almost one.

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Yeah, yeah, no, that's what that's what That's what's in

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this rhetoric here. So this is what I'm saying, is

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that this man was far too busy. And I'm the

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things that I'm telling people about right now is literally

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how busy he was that he couldn't have been off

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doing what the Zodiac was doing. Oh so, yeah, says

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Thompson ran unsuccessfully for sheriff of Pitkin County in Colorado

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and in nineteen seventy on the freak power ticket. So

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he's clearly, during this very important time frame in Colorado

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running for a why a sheriff, I mean, of all things.

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But he poured his heart and soul into that campaign too,

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so he had no time to do other stuff.

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No, and it says Thompson's output declined as he struggled

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with the consequences of fame and substance abuse and failed

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to complete several high profile assignments for Rolling Stone. For

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much of the late nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties,

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he worked as a columnist for the San Francisco Examiner.

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So I think that's where people are putting together, but

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it's the wrong time frame, folks. Most of his work

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from nineteen seventy nine to nineteen ninety four was collected

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in the Gonzo Papers. He continued to write sporadically for

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outlets including Rolling Stone, Playboy, Esquire, in ESPN dot com

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until the end of his life. We already discussed him running.

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He became known for his intense dislike of Richard Nixon,

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who he claimed represented the dark, venal, and incurably violent

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side of the American character. He covered George McGovern's nineteen

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seventy two presidential campaign for Rolling Stone and later collected

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the stories in book from book form as Fear and

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Loathing on the Campaign Trail seventy two, which was done

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in nineteen seventy three. He also did a bit on

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the Hell's Angels, but he literally went underground and was

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not underground. I'm sure they knew who he was, but

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he traveled with them. Basically, it looked like some of

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the things that he's done.

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That's it. Put it on the map. That book, the

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Hell's Angels book. But they he interfered in Angels, was

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beating up his girlfriend and interfered, and so a bunch

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of them kicked his ass and almost killed him.

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Oh wow, And did you read that book?

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I haven't. I've read parts of it, not the whole

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book with it the book right here.

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Go the other direction. There you go. Gonzo Okay, he

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didn't write this.

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This is about all the people that knew him contributing chapters.

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About his Oh gotcha. And that's called the Gonzo Papers

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now just called Gonzo okay. So some other he wrote

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he wrote.

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Also, there's there's another compilation called The Great American Shark Hunt.

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Is a compilation of different short stories, and there are

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mainly essays and and their their their non fiction and

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kind of new journalism style where he puts himself in

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the story.

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Gotcha. Well, so that I did see that kind of

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cross connected back and forth with Jack some of the

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things that he's done. But nineteen sixty one he was

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in Big Sir Hot Springs as a security guard. In

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nineteen sixty five, San Francisco, immersing himself in the drug

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and hippie culture, began writing for the Berkeley Underground paper

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The Spider, and I looked at that, like the underground

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is something that the Zodiac talks about in the Tom

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Voight letters. And then late nineteen sixty seven he moves

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back to Colorado and in nineteen sixty eight he writes

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about Lyndon B. Johnson. We know that Jack had a

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relationship with Lyndon B. Johnson, hunted on his ranch, was

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invited to his wedding to his wife. Wow, Woody Creek, Colorado. Right,

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that's what some of these things cross connected fairly well.

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And I can get the points or the coincidences that

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are occurring.

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Yeah, it's too many of them sixty seven and they

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hate Ashbury too. That's where Manson started well, and the whole.

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Entire thing is that the period is wrong for the

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Zodiac for him being there and what he was doing

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at the time. It says he then moved to Woody Creek, Colorado,

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which we heard about him trying to become the sheriff.

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In nineteen eighty five, he's writing on couple's pornography research

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in San Francisco from mid eighties to nineteen ninety as

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a media critic for San Francisco Examiner. He wrote for

463
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.720
Playboy Politics and Pornography in two thousand and that's all

464
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:33.240
right up the alley, right, I mean Playboy Politics and Pornography.

465
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:36.319
And it was well known back when the Zodiac was

466
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:40.240
authoring letters, and especially in the DV Cooper one, where

467
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:42.480
it had been noted that the cutouts had been pulled

468
00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:46.000
from a Playboy magazine and that the FBI had scoured

469
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:50.440
these What a job to have guys scouring the Playboy

470
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:58.519
magazines for criminal activity? They say, anyways, two thousand and five,

471
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:03.000
two thousand and five, amitst suicide? Or is suicided? I

472
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:06.559
wrote down? But they did say recent developments? And this

473
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:09.920
is interesting? Why In twenty twenty six, so there's an

474
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:14.079
article that the Colorado Brewer of Investigation confirmed the original

475
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:18.200
conclusion of suicide after a review requested by Thompson's widow, Anita.

476
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.559
This review found no new evidence or circumstances that would

477
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.160
change the initial findings from two thousand and five. The

478
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:27.599
investigation reaffirmed that Thompson had been suffering from chronic pain

479
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.680
and depression prior to his death, and I'm great that

480
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:35.200
they put out their chronic pain and depression. Now, if

481
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:37.279
you'd said chronic depression, I might have found him in

482
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:39.680
line for somebody who might commit suicide. But it sounds

483
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:41.920
to me like his wife did not believe it was suicide.

484
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:47.200
So that's why I wrote in there, or suicided, taking

485
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:47.960
out whatever.

486
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.440
If you might have been a shotgun to the base, oh.

487
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:57.200
Boy, that would be a Chris Bush right, Oakland County

488
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:04.680
child murders either way. Now, interestingly enough, we just looked

489
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.799
at this this letterhead here that says Hunter S. Thompson

490
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:10.799
at the top of these five x seven letters, and

491
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:14.079
I low behold come up with pretty much the same

492
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:26.559
type of paper that Jack has. Okay, yeah, Nolan, Nolan's.

493
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:33.920
You're gonna guess okay, he'd he backed out good anyways,

494
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.839
all right, so Jack Heron's had his own actual letter

495
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:39.480
head just like Hunter Thompson.

496
00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:41.640
I was like, wow, look at that. They both It

497
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:43.519
must have been a thing back in the day for

498
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:46.160
them to use. But this was approximately the same time

499
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:53.279
frame this letter was. Let's see, found after December twenty

500
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.119
third of nineteen ninety six. And this is a letter

501
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:58.359
to Dennis, which is the person who brought me into

502
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:01.880
this case, believing that his stepdad Jack was the suspect

503
00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:05.680
or the best suspect as the Zodiac. But I pulled

504
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:07.880
one thing out of here is that he says, I'll

505
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:12.599
probably talking to use guys and use guys as a

506
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:17.240
mob term, and he spells it y o U s

507
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:23.039
e use guys. I was like, that's interesting, Yeah, I

508
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:25.559
think you, uh, you've chats on that before.

509
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.799
I think, uh, I forget what we were talking about before,

510
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:30.680
but I remember seeing that term before.

511
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:34.920
Yeah, well it's a it's a popular mob term, use guys.

512
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:37.599
That's like, oh, that's why it was we're were talking

513
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:41.960
about the mob. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so interesting to fight

514
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:46.240
it in Jack's owner handwriting. But again, uh, we can

515
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:49.319
see here where a lot of these extenders that we

516
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:53.559
were talking about come down almost two the next line,

517
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:57.000
but they don't tangle and overlap and and and cause

518
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:01.160
confusion in the actual communication. So I find that Jack's

519
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.960
writing is obviously much more consistent with the Red Phantom

520
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:09.799
than a Hunter Thompson's. So, continuing on air Jack's Life,

521
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:13.279
we're in December tenth of nineteen ninety seven. Now Dennis

522
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:17.440
and Charles totaled the honder record at two thirty five am,

523
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:20.240
when Charles was hit by a drunk driver at something

524
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.920
that was out of Nora's diary. She also wrote on

525
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.680
December eighteenth, nineteen ninety seven, that Flova, Jack's mother passes

526
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.000
away this morning, so Jack and Charles fly back to

527
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.519
Texas to make arrangements to Barrier, and Nora indicates that

528
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.359
Flova never liked her even since the day she met

529
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:40.240
Jack twenty six years ago. So this would actually confirm

530
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:43.599
the statement that Jack and Nora met in nineteen seventy one,

531
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:47.240
even though I didn't have any evidence supporting that they

532
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:50.640
were together until nineteen seventy four, but by her own

533
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:53.480
admissions in her diary, they had been together for twenty

534
00:31:53.519 --> 00:32:00.480
six years now. While let's see here, While well, I

535
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:02.799
don't know how long Jack was in Texas, but I

536
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:05.680
threw in this other unsolved murder because he happened to

537
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:08.319
have flown back at this point in time. On December

538
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.240
nineteenth and nineteen ninety seven, we had twelve year old

539
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:17.200
Michelle Presik and Valerie Lane in Spring, Texas is a

540
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.759
missing person last seen at her residence, which many of

541
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.559
the victims had been blonde hair, blue eyes, one hundred

542
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:25.720
and thirty five pounds on a birthmark on the palm

543
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:29.119
of her hand. On December twentieth, nineteen ninety seven, she

544
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:32.279
was reported missing with an orange Tabby cat and a blanket.

545
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:34.960
So whoever it was that took her took things to

546
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:39.200
make her comfortable as well, including her cat and her blanket.

547
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.319
Kind of reminds me of the John Bonnet ramsay wrapping

548
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:45.799
her up in her blanket or you know, yeah, like

549
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:51.640
ekey stuff. Also, Norik reconfirms that they break up. She's

550
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:53.920
reconfirming what I say is that they break up only

551
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:56.160
one time in nineteen ninety one, for three months in

552
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.680
their twenty six year period. But I'm like, what about

553
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.440
the worse in the eighties? Was that a ruse to

554
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:05.519
protect assets or Jack's arrest for the assault with a

555
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.599
deadly weapon against her and Dennis and the family. I

556
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:11.240
know that there were many other occasions where it was

557
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:15.920
supported that Jack was in a completely different place based

558
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.279
on his mail and where it was going versus where

559
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.119
Nora was. So she only says that they were only

560
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:23.200
ever broken up for three months, but I show that

561
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.000
that period actually lasted into nineteen ninety two based on

562
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:29.599
her own diary, so some things are just a little wacky.

563
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.880
December twenty fourth of nineteen ninety seven, Jack and Charles

564
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:35.880
return from Texas. So yes, they're there literally for two

565
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.720
weeks from December tenth till December twenty fourth. So I've

566
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:42.599
answered my own question. And they're driving back the Honda

567
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:47.240
Civic that was left behind when they moved to California

568
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:53.519
earlier this year. I had This is Suspect Zero. This

569
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:56.039
is the DVD cover for one of the movies that

570
00:33:56.119 --> 00:34:00.119
I think very closely resembles some of the programs that

571
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:03.200
we've been talking about and the possibility that Jack Terrence

572
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.839
and the Zodiac Killer was some type of a program. Uh.

573
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.639
The interesting part about this is that this is literally

574
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:14.280
somebody's purportedly working for the government, obviously off the books, undercover,

575
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.800
out there searching for I want to say, searching. He's

576
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:22.920
remote viewing different serial killers and seeing in his mind

577
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.920
their crimes through this process of hypnosis that was used

578
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:30.239
in order to induce these visions, and then he could

579
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.320
track that serial killer and then kill him. And then

580
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:36.480
on the other side of it is the FBI trying

581
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:40.000
to track him because they think he's the serial killer

582
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:46.559
when in reality he's killing serial killers. So would people

583
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:48.159
make the what's that?

584
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:50.320
It's crazy?

585
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.000
It will And if you get the if you get

586
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.440
the version with the special features, you will see that

587
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.119
the program that was done by the military. One of

588
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.440
the people who ran the program actually speaks on the

589
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.519
remote viewing and what they do to use remote viewing

590
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:10.800
to view setups of compounds in another country and they've

591
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:14.480
literally been able to accurately lay out maps of the

592
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:17.280
planes and buildings and the other things, and these people

593
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.800
have never set foot in these places ever. So it's

594
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.960
a very very interesting excerpt in the special features about

595
00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:26.119
remote viewing and how it works. And then of course

596
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:30.000
it's being used in the movie Suspect Zero. A lot

597
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:34.039
of the different attributes or characteristics about this individual who's

598
00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:38.280
playing the hunter of serial killers is very similar to Jack,

599
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.199
from shiny shoes to pleted pants to I mean, I

600
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:45.280
probably wrote down three pages of notes watching this movie

601
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:48.119
on things that were coincidental about the zodiac and low

602
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:50.840
and behold the actual emblem. Now, of course it doesn't

603
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:54.360
have the cross symbol, but it has the zero with

604
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:59.159
the slash mark through it, and it's labeled it is

605
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.559
very similar, and it was very, very shocking to see

606
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:03.880
that this program. And of course this is the one

607
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.840
where I say that Harold Cooper from the Blacklist, he's

608
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:12.639
the FBI not director, but like special agent for the Blacklist.

609
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:18.079
He plays the FBI director in this particular movie, and

610
00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:24.039
he's super super young and super skinny. Interesting. Now, this

611
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:26.239
is where Dennis pipes up in his book and says

612
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:30.360
that in nineteen ninety eight they moved back to Sacramento.

613
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.039
Joanna owned an antique and collectible store at the time.

614
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:36.480
One day I noticed that some of the old whiskey

615
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.639
bottles that used to be full is now empty. I

616
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.320
soon found out that Jack had started drinking again after

617
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.880
seventeen years, and he had drank the whiskey that was

618
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.440
in those bottles. I figured that Jack was an old

619
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:49.039
man now and thought his drinking would be harmless. I

620
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.280
had no idea what was about to happen. Jack was

621
00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:55.480
planning his next murder, my mother. To get away with

622
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:58.000
this crime wouldn't be easy. Jack was going to murder

623
00:36:58.039 --> 00:36:59.559
his next victim, and he was going to do it

624
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:05.599
in front of everybody without bringing suspicion upon himself. And

625
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:07.199
to come where we.

626
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:07.840
Ad on time.

627
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:15.519
No, yes, we do. I wanted to get into this.

628
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.239
So December twenty fifth and then this is out of

629
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.960
Nora's diary December twenty fifth, nineteen ninety seven, they had

630
00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:26.480
Christmas dinner in their office that they got I don't

631
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:29.679
know how. So again we show them moving from from

632
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.280
wherever it was at this point in time, I think

633
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.400
it was Texas back to California, and he's renting or

634
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:40.320
leasing a shop let alone a place from somebody who's

635
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:44.519
not working with no money. Again, I'm just I'm dumbfounded

636
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:48.960
at how he's capable of getting these things done, which

637
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.960
was also kind of interesting. They're having Christmas dinner in

638
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.760
their office while Dennis believed his office to be in

639
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:57.840
actual living space too in Orangeville on Greenback and Hazel

640
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.360
when I was working with him, he literally had rented

641
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:03.920
a space for a cell shop or a cellular phone

642
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.480
repair shop, and he was literally living out of it

643
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.639
and purchasing storage sheds to sell things. But that might

644
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:16.440
it might be Jack that Dennis got that idea from

645
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:20.039
that that was something that was okay to do. I

646
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.559
think that these were the black I think this is

647
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.199
the last words we're going to hear from Nora from

648
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:27.960
December twenty fifth of nineteen ninety seven, because I did

649
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.400
not have any other diaries from her after that. On

650
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.559
January twentieth, nineteen ninety eight, we see Jack writing letters

651
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.679
in regards to Flow as a state, and he's using

652
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.880
the address of thirty three fifty Auburn Boulevards, Space thirty nine,

653
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:42.440
which confirms he is back and that is his location

654
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:48.280
with his RVaR motor home or whatever it is he's

655
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:51.800
pulling up and living in at this point. Because this

656
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.000
is that when you and I were talking about last week,

657
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:55.920
no one that was on Watt and Auburn and you

658
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.559
just basically drive up your own rig kind of thing, right,

659
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:04.480
It's right. So what I thought was interesting about this

660
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:08.599
is that what Jack was up to because we might

661
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:10.440
be looking at him like he was an old man

662
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:16.119
after his you know, congestive heart failure issues and the

663
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.960
hospitalization in early nineteen ninety seven, but this letter kind

664
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:21.760
of tells me that this man is up and running

665
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.199
once again. So it's set to Jim, which is an attorney,

666
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:27.840
and I think who is handling the estate, probably for

667
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.840
his mom, and it says Hi, Jim, I talked to

668
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.559
Sandra at the County Clerk's office there in Bastrup about

669
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:35.840
changing the deed into my name, but she said that

670
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:38.960
I should talk to you about what is required. Mom

671
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.960
passed away December eighteenth, nineteen ninety seven, and we had

672
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:46.119
her funeral December twenty second in Lockhart, which that confirm

673
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:51.679
when we go back. Yeah, so they returned two days

674
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:59.199
after the funeral. Basically I only Orangeville, not just a

675
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.719
couple of months. They moved back to California in nineteen

676
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.960
ninety seven, which was extremely interesting to me because why

677
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.760
would Jack, in the end days of his mom pick

678
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:11.280
up and move. It would had to have been norm

679
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:12.599
that wanted to do so.

680
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:16.920
In Uri, because my family's had three properties out there

681
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:20.880
right by the intersection of Greenback and Hazel, One on

682
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:27.840
Cafesia by the cemetery there, one on Arbardi by Phoenix Field.

683
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:31.000
Okay, so the Greenback in Hazel was Dennis and that

684
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:35.079
was his cell shop. That wasn't Jack. Jack is on Auburn.

685
00:40:35.719 --> 00:40:38.360
But it says I just got the certified death certificates

686
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:40.480
last Friday. Please let me know if I should send

687
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:42.519
one of them to you for filing the deed or what.

688
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.559
Also if you remember, one fourth of the place would

689
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.599
be J. C. Cade's. Supposedly, my sister e Sue Caid

690
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:51.840
was married to him, but I think that she was

691
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.280
living with him and took his name. I made a

692
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.039
trip to Reno, Nevada and Las Vegas, Nevada to try

693
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.760
to find a marriage license, but no luck. Then I

694
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:03.079
went to Los Angeles to try to find a divorce

695
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:06.159
with no luck. Spent three days down there. I located

696
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:08.719
two people to sign the Affidavid, swearing that my sister

697
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:11.039
was not living with anyone from the time that they

698
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.400
met her nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety two, when Sue

699
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.840
passed away. They are man and wife Domingo and Lucy

700
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:21.599
Reyis of Austin. Or if man and wife won't do,

701
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.480
Lucy's boss, Ray Grego, general manager of ex On Oil

702
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:30.119
Company USA Austin division, would sign an AFFI David. They

703
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.719
all live in Austin, so could the affidavids be made

704
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:35.880
up and sent to them to have them notarized or

705
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.199
will they need to come to your office. I talked

706
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:40.280
to Lucy and Domingo while I was there for Mom's

707
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.880
funeral and they are willing. I have not talked to

708
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.679
Ray Grego, but I'm sure he would sign one. He

709
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:48.840
is Lucy's boss used to be mine, It used to

710
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:50.800
be his boss. So evidently at some point in time

711
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.440
he worked for ex On Oil, Sue's and Domingo's boss

712
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.360
also at Exon in Austin. So Jim, please let me

713
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.280
know what I can do. My interesting take on this

714
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:03.000
is that we know that he went out to Texas,

715
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:05.599
obviously to do the burial of his mother, but then

716
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.199
at some point in time afterwards, he's not only gone

717
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:11.599
to Reno, Nevada, Las Vegas, Nevada, to Los Angeles. He's

718
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:15.880
all over the place once again, traveling, and within maybe

719
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.719
a week or so, he said he spent three days

720
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:19.719
in Los Angeles, so who knows how many days he

721
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.440
spent in the other locations. But he's clearly on the

722
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:29.760
run doing all kinds of things. So February first, nineteen

723
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:32.199
eighty eight, Jack is mailing a creditor of Flovis and

724
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:34.440
the address he is now using as a PEO box

725
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:38.639
in Citrus Heights, which I'm not I mean, I don't

726
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:40.480
know why you would have a PEO box in Citrus

727
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:43.519
Heights if you're living out of Watton Auburn. That didn't

728
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:47.360
make a lot of sense to me. These are these

729
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:50.559
areas are substantially far from one another for mailing purposes

730
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:54.079
unless his office was located in that area. On February

731
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:57.239
ninth to fourteenth, nineteen ninety eight, Jack has airline receipts

732
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.320
for flying back to Texas with a car rental that

733
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.239
he is still used using the eight hundred Neldas Street address.

734
00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:04.880
So now I'm starting to think the Nelda Street address

735
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.679
is his mom's and that's the one he's attempting to

736
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:10.320
obtain the deed to so he can either sell or

737
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:13.840
who knows, probably passes it off to a family member,

738
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.679
so he still has a home base when he goes

739
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:21.320
back there, and he is using Jack W. Terrence once again.

740
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.679
So we saw this flip flop in nineteen ninety seven

741
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:29.519
from Jack Terrance to John Terrence to Jack Torrance and

742
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:33.239
then Terrence with a TE instead of a TA, all

743
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.880
of these different names that are being used back and forth.

744
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.800
February third of nineteen ninety eight, we have a phone

745
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:43.880
bill from AT and T in Charles Terrence's name. However,

746
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.280
the record was kept and paid by Jack Terrence, so

747
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.920
either Jack could can get another phone wrecord or another

748
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:53.159
phone number, and or this is Charles's phone that he's

749
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:56.840
paying for. February fourth to December third of nineteen ninety eight,

750
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.920
Jack is writing checks in his and Nora's name us

751
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:03.039
in the thirty three to fifty Auburn Boulevard address, So

752
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:07.320
again we've got him basically toggling back and forth between

753
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:11.199
two different locations. On March ninth of nineteen ninety eight,

754
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.840
Jack executes a promisory note with Califia Bilquist for four

755
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.519
hundred dollars using the address of forty six oh eight

756
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:21.559
Album Boulevard Sweet four. I think this might actually be

757
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:29.400
the business address because I believe it puts him closer

758
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:33.079
possibly to the Citrus Heights Post office versus the Auburn.

759
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:36.480
Auburn's very long, everybody. It runs quite a distance through

760
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.920
Sacramento on into Citrus Heights and all the way down

761
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:44.639
into Roseville, so it's a very very long street. On

762
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.480
March twenty fourth of nineteen ninety eight, Jack receives request

763
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:50.360
for clarification of death of his siblings, presumably in the

764
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:53.800
estate of Flova, and he's still using the thirty three

765
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.960
point fifty Auburn Boulevard address, and he's receiving these letters

766
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:01.880
from Texas. Now we start to see on June eleventh.

767
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:05.159
In June of nineteen ninety eight, we start to see

768
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:09.360
more unsolved murders pop up again. An well, this one

769
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.800
is an unfidentified human scale to remains on the six

770
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:17.199
hundred block of Airline Drive, Conrod, Texas. Because it's not identified,

771
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:19.360
we have no idea when this person went missing or

772
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:21.800
was killed. But there was a most recent female that

773
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.840
was missing, and that was Michelle Prasik and Jessica Kin.

774
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:28.880
June twenty eight to nineteen ninety eight, eight year old

775
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:32.679
Robert Ray Middleton goes missing off the eleven thousand block

776
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:36.719
of Crossnow Drive in Cleveland, Texas. Attack occurred along a

777
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.880
wooded trail. Suspect used gasoline and set him on fire

778
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.360
while he was alive, burning over ninety five percent of

779
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:45.480
his body. He succumbed to his injuries on April twenty ninth,

780
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:51.079
twenty eleven. I don't understand that I wrote check the date,

781
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:54.079
because that doesn't make any sense that he was attacked

782
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:58.320
on nineteen ninety eight. Oh well, maybe he had that

783
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.440
many years. That would have been thirty.

784
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:04.719
Sears.

785
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.519
Yeah, right, and I would assume that's lots of surgeries,

786
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:13.679
lots of pain, lots of everything. August sixth of nineteen

787
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.760
ninety eight, unidentified human skeleton remains in the twenty one

788
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:20.199
thousand block of Baptist Encampment Road in New Kiney, Texas.

789
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:23.239
Children playing in an abandoned house found remains on top

790
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.599
of the ground in the doorway. This area was flood prone.

791
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:31.280
The school was evidence of a previous autopsy. That blew

792
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:36.800
my mind, Like, so, there's somebody else, right those who

793
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.079
has any clue how this ended up where it ended up,

794
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:43.559
or how somebody else had already done an autopsy on

795
00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:50.639
it and then it ends up dumped somewhere. That's eight. Yeah,

796
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:54.039
So I think before going on with anything else, we

797
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:55.960
can pick up on the rest of this stuff next week.

798
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:59.559
We got a couple of minutes. Any comments or questions

799
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:04.079
or anything that we'd like to cover, I'm okay.

800
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:09.400
So just my latest book is another Black Dahlia book,

801
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:12.480
and it's written by a very good writer, and she's

802
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:17.400
a great researcher, and she has a whole different take

803
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:22.079
than hodel Son. She has two other suspects, Mark Hanson,

804
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:27.039
this nightclub owner and kind of a from a Nordic

805
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.760
background who was a gangster as well, who had lots

806
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:35.920
of girlfriends and had Elizabeth Short stayed at his house

807
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:39.800
on Carlos Street in LA for a while. And this

808
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:43.719
woman Anne Tooth, who was her friend, Elizabeth Short's friend,

809
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:47.679
but he was also a girlfriend of Hanson, and they

810
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:54.280
pinpoint the murder locale as this place, the Astrotel in

811
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:59.920
Los Angeles, these little bungalows, and Elizabeth was in the

812
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:03.519
number three and the owner's throng. Lots of blood and

813
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.960
feces and all kinds of stuff in that particular room,

814
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.400
but they didn't notify the cops ptil two years later.

815
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:15.519
I want that makes me want to search my presentation

816
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.920
because I know, I just feel like, instinctively I've heard

817
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.960
this word. So let's look while we're doing this and

818
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:26.119
see if we find Mark Hanson, because I feel like

819
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.280
this has definitely come up before.

820
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.079
Yeah, and he's the prime Well, he and this other

821
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:37.920
guy named Dylan, a younger guy Hanson. Basically, Dylan worked

822
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:38.519
for Hanson.

823
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:42.039
Yeah. So in July nineteen forty six, Short moves to

824
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.199
Long Beach, California, lived with Mark Hanson at the Florentine

825
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:48.559
Gardens October and November of nineteen forty six, stayed with

826
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:52.239
Dorothy French in San Diego December of nineteen forty six

827
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:56.800
and Chancellor Apartments eighteen forty two, North Cherokee. And then

828
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.920
see Cherry Joe Breach type written describes just murder and

829
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.599
the posing of the body. Okay, so yeah, I have

830
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:08.519
seen the Mark Hanson mess uh oh. That puts us

831
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.400
our last one, last second. But it does go on

832
00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.280
to say address book was said to be embossed with

833
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:17.079
Mark Hanson. There's there's a lot of information about Mark

834
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:25.239
Hanson there, so absolutely correct, Were gotcha And we can

835
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:27.440
maybe cover that once you get a little more into

836
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:29.679
the book. But we are done with today's episode, so

837
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:33.079
I want to thank everybody for being here, and we

838
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:35.079
will get back with you next Friday on this and

839
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:36.920
if you come up with anything more interesting out of

840
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:42.360
that book, I'd love to hear it. Thank you, Okay,

841
00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:42.960
thank you.

842
00:49:43.239 --> 00:50:01.480
Take care everyone thing

843
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:03.239
And family loved