May 30, 2025

I-45 Killer, Tim Miller, and Jack

I-45 Killer, Tim Miller, and Jack
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Continuing our discussion on the murder of Laura Miller in the unsolved murder cases of the I-45 Killer and League City, Texas. Laura Miller’s father is the owner operator of Texas Equusearch Search and Rescue which he began after the death of his daughter. Tim Miller has long since believed another man was responsible for his daughter’s death, but did stop to pay attention to the findings on a letter he received from the murdered. Looking to see where Jack is and what he is up to.

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Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today, Nolan del Campo.

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Good morning, everybody, Good.

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Morning, and Harriet Souchet, good morning, Good morning.

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I didn't have any real news or laundry to pour out,

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so we're just climbing right back into the case of

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Laura Miller and Tim Miller. We're going to go right

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back into the presentation. I've got some things that I'd

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really like to discuss today that I thought was very important,

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one of them being is that I had her date

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of disappearance incorrect. I had it down as September first,

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nineteen eighty four. However, I laid down to go to

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bed last night and found myself in the middle of

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the Killing Fields documentary with Tim Miller and of course

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their favorite two suspects, which we've talked a little bit

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about one of them.

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We've talked a little.

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Bit, I think about both of them, but they reported

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on that documentary. September tenth, nineteen eighty four, is the

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date that Laura Ann Miller went missing from the convenience store,

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attempting to call her boyfriend to see if he would

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come over. So I did get a bit more information

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on that last night. So it appears as though Tim

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Miller had literally just moved from Dickinson, which Dickinson has

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some inclination to the cases and to League City, and

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he was after moving in, they hadn't had their home

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phone set up yet, and Laura Miller actually had gone

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to a payphone, had her mother driver to a phone,

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tell her mother, you know, leave me here, I can

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walk home. And it turns out that her house is

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literally within houses of Heidi Villa Real five, who also

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went missing the year previous, and was going to the

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payphone as well to make a phone call, supposedly at

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the same little convenience store that Laura Miller had gone to.

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So after catching up with that correction.

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It just tells you how much the media will print

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and produce things without making sure that they're accurate. Because

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all the information I had research research showed September first,

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but it was actually September tenth.

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Of nineteen eighty four. So moving on with that.

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Where we left off last week was talking a little

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bit about the one of the suspects for Tim Miller,

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and this is let's see, this is Clyde Hendrickson. He

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is he was actually convicted and went to prison for

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abuse of a corpse.

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Which is only could literally prove because he had been

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dating this gal.

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They supposedly left the bar one night, went out to

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a watering hole where they were going to go swimming,

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and for whatever reason ellen Beeson had he claimed that

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she drowned, and then he put her body into the

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truck was going to take her to the hospital, but

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then got scared dumped her with some trash on the side.

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Some of the things are a knowledge heart under couch

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and some tires. It said, yes, yes, so the.

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Interesting that's okay.

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The interesting part about it is that where they were

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finding all of the girls once they started stumbling on them,

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and it took them some time I guess the first

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body was found in April of nineteen eighty four, which

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would have been a Heidi Figh, And then I guess

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Tim Miller at this point in time had also indicated

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that he believed that they should check that same area

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when they found her body, but it took them another

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two years for somebody to accidentally stumble upon his well,

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seventeen months, I guess is what he said, for somebody

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else to stumble upon his daughter's or another body, and

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then in the finding of that body, they then found.

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Tim Miller's daughter's body.

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So now that we've got that straight, here's one of

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the excerpts. And of course, this particular documentary series that

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I'm watching last night was filmed and produced in twenty

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twenty two, and this is the approximate time that Tim

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Mill reached out to me to find out whether or

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not I still believed Jack was the Zodiac, and which

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I did confirm to him, Yes, that is still my belief.

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We had a short conversation.

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I told him that I would like to, you know,

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speak with him more, and things have elevated, things have

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come much further research, more research has been done. I

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would be interested in discussing things with him, but I

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haven't been able to get him back on the phone since.

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One of those reasons I think is is because also

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in twenty twenty two he took out this wrongful conviction

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case against Clyde Hedricks. Let's see so Tim Miller, founder

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of Texas Equisearch, receives a twenty four million dollar civil

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suit for wrongful death against Clyde Hedrick in Galveston. The

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difference again is that Clyde dumped beeson under trash to

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hide the body. The girls in the killing fields were

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all laid underneath trees, and as Harriot had said, the prominence.

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Out was that they were basically posed, posed and laid

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beneath these trees, so uh locations that the bodies were found.

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And if Clyde was if he was so scared that

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he just dumped Beason's body somewhere he seemed, he would

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have been rather collected. I would assume if he had

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killed these other girls and just casually took them to

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a place where he continually dropped.

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And dumped more bodies, that was one of my thoughts.

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So basically they said a man convicted in nineteen eighty

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four death of a woman has been released from prison,

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and I think that's the other thing.

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In the time frame in which they found her.

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Body was close to the timeframe in which they found

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Fi's body, so they wanted to then clump these acts together.

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Did you have something to say.

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Nolan, Oh no, I'm just comfortable injury, your butt hurt.

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Where there's two out of three butt hurt people.

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Here today, well actually three people. No, your numbs.

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They used to call you numb something bad word. Now

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they can call me them.

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But.

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Instead numb nuts.

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Because we're going to go to off the.

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Rails here, Yes we will.

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Clyde Hedrick, sixty seven, was released from the Estelle unit

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in Huntsville on Monday on mandatory supervision. According to the

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Texas Department of Criminal Justice, Hendrick's name is one that

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Texas Equisearch founder and director Tim Miller is all too

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familiar with. He's not in prison right now, and he's

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free to go, Miller said. Miller's daughter, Laura Miller, was

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abducted and murdered in nineteen eighty four. While Hedrick was

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not charged in her case, Miller believes Hedrick played a

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role that leads to the thought that there is more

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than one person involved, right, I mean, obviously.

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For sure, Yeah, do the other teeth.

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He did.

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He was actually a NASA scientist. And wait till we

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get to some of the state that is, that's Robert

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Abele's let's.

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And Clyde. I mean, Clyde was not a bad looking

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guy in his day. He wasn't.

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I mean, I know we see this picture now, but

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like he was, he was an okay looking guy. But

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he was a construction worker. I feel like if you're

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working construction, you're working hard, long days. So if you're

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taking time away from the person you're with to go

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around and murder.

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People, I don't know.

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You guys need to get the icy hotlight a Caine

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roll on. That's in the private chat guys. It says

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that I still remember every minute of that seventeen months

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Laura was missing, and the helplessness and the hopelessness and

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the fear, Miller said. According to court records, Hedrick was

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convicted of involuntary manslaughter in twenty fourteen for the nineteen

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eighty four death of Ellen Beeson. I am not sure

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why it took that long for them to figure out

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he was the one that killed her, since he was

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the one that left the bar with her, and the

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last time she was seen at the bar was with

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him and leaving with him. That it took that long

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for him to actually be convicted. But that is the case,

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thirty years, I think thirty.

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Yeah, that's what it looks like.

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So that's.

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So I had.

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I did actually have a YouTuber comment. This is ed

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Edwards Cipher's he's constantly working on letters, though he doesn't,

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or at least he's stated to me he doesn't have

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handwriting of his suspect, Ed Edwards in order to make

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any comparisons, but he believes that and I don't know

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how he believes that Ed Edwards is in the midst

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of all of these, you know, ciphers and codes and

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things like that, because he hasn't really given me any information.

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But he responded with the link that I gave everybody

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from image shack, which we saw on the previous screen here,

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and it's this image shack IMG eighty three dot image

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shack dot us forward slash I forward slash I forty

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five kill eight mh dot jpg and that obviously begins

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with an http colon ford slash forward slash. Now, what

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I have learned with some of the some of the

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fraud seminars that I've been to is that an HTTPS

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means that it's a trusted site, whereas an HTTP means

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that it is not. I don't know what that means

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for image shack, because I do recognize that lots of

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people were putting images on there back in the day.

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This the YouTube comment was that the sad badge image

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is no longer there.

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Correct.

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This is what I was, I guess attempting to say,

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or start with the last time that we spoke was

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that the images were placed up there in two thousand

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and six. So when I was able to access them

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and go to where they were, they listed that they

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had been put up in two thousand and six, was

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one year basically after Tim Miller had found or had

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received the letter in the mail, and he received one

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version which was a cutout version of news clippings and stuff,

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which we'll get to here in a minute. But he

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said that inside of a year he went back to

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ask for I guess a copy or what have you

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of that letter, and they were and they told him

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that letter was gone. So the shock to him was

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to find me now in possession of a copy of

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it and deciphering the linguistics on it to what I

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believe is a good fit for Jack Terrence as the

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Zodiac and many other crimes, they think that he can

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be placed in the proximity of or has the training

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and capability to have committed.

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So definitely a cryptic message said to Tim, Yes, yes,

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this one, because I think.

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I'm coming up to that. I'm coming up to that.

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I'm just saying that I think the copy that I

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used came from you and did this.

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Well, it had to have come from me because evidently

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nobody else was in possession of it. When Tim Miller

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was at my house, he put me on the phone

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with somebody either the former head of the FBI or

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somebody that was head of the FBI at the time,

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and we spoke. I gave him the information on who

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the email came from. I gave him the image URL,

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which I still have today, and they stated they could

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not source fine or trace anything back to this sad badge.

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And again, very strange that Tim Miller's letter goes missing

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inside of the year and it's being.

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Produced on the internet.

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That made me think when he said sad Badge image

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is no longer there, which is something I already knew,

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is that I wanted to go back on the wayback

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Machine and take a look at the wayback machine. You

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can usually put a URL in. This is how I've

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gone and seen many things on Tom Voyd's site from

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the early two thousand's late nineteen nineties.

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So I put the.

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URL in there and I saw something that said images.

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was searching images when I used that URL. But when

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I clicked on images and it dropped down, it is

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extremely interesting to see that the Cleveland Museum of Art

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number one, but literally to the right it says top

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NASA Images, Solar System Collection and AIMS Research Center.

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So this is somehow connected to the wayback Machine.

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it is a spider that crawls the Internet, and it

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logs and catalogs every instance of URLs and websites and

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pages and so forth, and it collects them into history

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so that you can later go back on the wayback

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Machine and look at things that are no longer visible

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on the Internet if you don't have the URL. So

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in Tom Boyd's case, I actually plugged in his URL

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for his website with AOL before he tore everything down,

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revamped it, and restarted a new website in regards to

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the zodiac, Which why do that stick with what you've got?

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That to me is almost like a cleanup if you're

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going to go and take there and I whitewash. Yeah, yeah,

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let's let's clear everything to find that this URL is

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actually not on there, which is kind of the next

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phase here. So here's me putting in that URL on

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the wayback Machine and it says wayback Machine is not

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archived that URL, and that it says click here to

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search for all archived pages under that URL.

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But it comes back with nothing.

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So whoever was able to remove this was able to

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scrub it, not just from the Internet by removing it

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from the Internet, but scrub it from the Internet because

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it cannot be found or located in something like the

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wayback Machine.

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And here is that letter by outside influence, but that

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you might have been pressured by outside influences to edit

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is present y.

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Therefore he changes medium.

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Well, you know what I think about the name, the

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anonymous name that the person who provided it to me

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sad badge. You know somebody who is obviously disappointed in

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law for some reason.

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I mean, why else name yourself sad badge? Why would

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you do that?

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Ment?

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Exactly? So, here is the letter.

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To the left is the one with the cutouts, albeit

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it's black and white.

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We don't have a color version.

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Of this, and we see all of the different words

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that it actually took to make this particular letter. All

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the way to the bottom. The one to the right

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was a second image that was on image shack, and

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this one appears as though some individual attempted to trace

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the cutout version, so we see what looks more like

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handprinting on there, or at least tracing of the letters

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is what they did. Now, I don't know why anybody

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would want to do that, and to me, that makes

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no sense to have to take the time to, you know,

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try to reinvent this letter through handwriting.

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When there was this version that was strong and clear

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that you could see.

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One of the things I thought that if this was

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something that the zodiac did, because we knew that he

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would make two and three communications basically with the same message,

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and he would he would keep or not keep, but

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send them out to multiple locations. So my first question was, was

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this the Zodiac attempting to create that second or third

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communication that we were unaware of.

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And who was this sent to?

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And how did this sad badge find it on the

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internet connected to the cutout version that Tim Miller had received.

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All of these are very good questions that I fear

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we're never going to get answers to because the FBI

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says they can't track.

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The person who's responsible for this.

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This is the oh, and I want to remind everybody

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so in this it says this monster in me that

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makes me kill other Caucasian girls with brown hair. Second

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in the Eighties series or the League City Fields of Death.

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So he is calling two different, three different sets of

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serial killings here, two sets of the eighties and the

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League City Fields. He identifies them as completely different serial

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killing sprees, but also acknowledging that somebody else is involved,

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just like Tim Miller thought, just like Harriet's solves are

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coming out to say, so, there is an inclination in

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here that there are more people killing, not necessarily that

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the Zodiac or Jack is involved with these individuals, but

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just like the Zodiac, he's saying, I didn't do that.

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Somebody else did. So just like the bomb on the

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police steps.

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Back in the Zodiac era when he said, look, guys,

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don't come at me just because I talked about a bomb,

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because I'm not the.

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Person that bombed the officers.

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If they had the wrong guy, he wanted to reach

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out and say, that's not the person you're looking for.

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And we're going to see that kind of stuff in

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this letter when we get to two thousand and five

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and we break down the linguistics. Another interesting part about

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this is not only did the individual trace the cutouts

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from the letter side, but they also did it from

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the envelope side.

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And when you look.

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At this particular communication, what you notice is something that

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was very similar to the Zodiac's emo when he made communications,

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which is that he used the paper that he write

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on with his message, fold it into a certain way

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to make the actual page the envelope itself that's mailed out.

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And that's what has happened in this particular case.

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Well, if I'm now code this, I just want to

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say I would add the word traced the handwriting because

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I got so much out of this already. But anyways,

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so yeah, this is great, you know.

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Well, and so this Dickinson thing that we were talking about.

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So purportedly Tim Miller moved from Dickinson to League City,

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then his daughter's killed and at some point in two

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thousand and five, And I'm not sure if Tim Miller.

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Moved back to Texas to Dickinson or not after League City,

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in that the person was able to track and find

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and locate him where he was at. If this is

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a new address and not an old address, if this

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is an oiled address, it's to suggest that there's a

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meaning behind them sending it to him while he was

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in Dickinson.

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So yeah, I would, I would just definitely add the

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work trace. But there's a lot going on there.

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A lot, And let's go through with you know, this

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call out on Pat is that Pat Cereal? I think

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he said his name was.

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Literally Pat Cereal.

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So Pat Cereal, the cop is a ridiculous fooler, NASA Horseman.

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Able is not the devil sought by the League City

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Blue Fuzz. So here he's saying that Able's not your

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person that you're looking for. And this is actually three

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years before Robert Abele purportedly commits self homicide.

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No, no, this.

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Is this is two thousand and five, right, Yeah, And

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I thought he made Robert Dabele had just died about

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this time, he's.

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Gone, I thought, I thought he did that in two

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thousand and eight. Okay, well, well we'll get to it.

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But either way, even if he had just died, here

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you have somebody stepping out saying it wasn't him. That's

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not the guy you're looking for.

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They thought at this time period. And this is when,

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if I remember correctly, Tom Boyite got arrested for something

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that happened with the BTK cases. They thought, whoever was blind,

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I'm sorry to find torture a kill, which was that

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guy was also this in this mess and Pat Serial

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was the profiler for BTK, and Tom had trouble for

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something that happened and he ended up in jail. Dennis

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and I and a lot of people never let him

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with that.

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Now, well, you know what's interesting is that I remember

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if it wasn't Sad Badge, then it was another anonymous

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writer who was speaking to me who had claimed that

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that Tom Voight was currently being held at an FBI

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location where he was being questioned by something. But this

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had to be after I was in the case, because

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I wouldn't he wouldn't have been telling you. He's like,

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you could check right now and call and find and

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blah blah blah. I looked at the institution that he

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was talking about, and he tried to assure me that,

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oh no, it's really legitimately this like black ops type stuff.

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You know, the FBI has got him here or something.

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I have the emails still, I'll find them, but those

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come obviously long after you know, all of this dastardly

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stuff has happened. All right, So some of the things

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that I wanted to talk about, and if I see

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that I'm repeating myself, I will try to skip over that.

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Oh let me see what else I have here on

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my notes.

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Because I only made it through about one in three

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quarters of two of the three.

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Episodes on the Killing Fields.

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But some of the things that I picked up on

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was that the place that they were being dumped in on,

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called a road road, was owned by a petrol oil company.

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So now we have the oil cross connection.

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It's clearly a place somebody would have to be familiar with.

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Once again, they were laid under trees.

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Let's see, there was actually a blue plaid Western shirt

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that was found, I believe when they found Laura Miller's body,

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and they did market and I tried to take down

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the case number for that. Try to look back, maybe

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through some of the pictures I have of Jack and

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see if there's any, you know, shirts that would match

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what I saw. There was also a movie in nineteen

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eighty four that came out called The Killing Fields. So

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now we've got the media dubbing and they claimed that

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the media dubbed it the Killeen Fields. That is back

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to relating to a movie, just like many of the

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things that we saw with the Zodiac and relating back

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to movies.

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Because the movie was about Cambodia. Lauds.

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Yeah, yeah, it was.

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I couldn't understood understand the word that she said, but

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it was a foreign word basically that I was not

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familiar with. I probably should have put on some subtitles.

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Maybe then I could have gotten that word down. But

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I think you're right it had something to do with

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another country.

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Can I can I ask something really quick, really quick? Okay?

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Dickinson in that area where Tim Miller and that that

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small town Dickinson, they had the Phillips sixty six refinery

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or oil stuff there, and then this this lot was

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an old Phillip sixty six pump jack planks. So there

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is the cross connections right.

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There, right right, because we've got the Phillip sixty six map,

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we've got the inclined yap, we've got at marching on now.

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So there was a break. So they found the first

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body in.

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April of eighty four, let's see. But she so Heidi

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five went missing either November December nineteen eighty three, was

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found six months later in April of ninety.

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Four, And what do we have for Did I have

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that right?

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She went missing in September of eighty four, so this

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was after the fact, so maybe I have my year

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just a little bit off. But it took them another

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two years in nineteen eighty six to actually locate and

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find victim number two and Laura Miller. And then it

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took another five or six years in nineteen ninety is

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when they found the fourth victim, which was another Jane

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or they were both two does They didn't have identifications

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for these other two victims aside from Phi and from Miller.

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And it says that by nineteen ninety one is when

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Robert abel had then now or now owned that section

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out there and called a road so he didn't own

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it from the beginning, he owned it.

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Maybe I think he'd already was owning it, but you know,

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they were finally saying something in nineteen ninety one. Oh,

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I know, and seeah, he definitely had a connection to

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that field.

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Well, but it's they specifically said when they found the

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fourth victim in nineteen ninety one. By this time, Robert

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abel was now the owner and running trail rides with

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horses throughout this property. So I'm going to call another

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like obvious illogical statement to blame this man is the

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fact that he's running horse trail rides through this property.

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If he's jumping bodies, is that what you're going to do?

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Are you going to set up shop, run a business

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and allow people to go taking trail rides on horses?

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Were they potentially this bizarre?

476
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:15.440
What's that?

477
00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:18.559
I said, it's bizarre, but it was happening. And then

478
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:22.000
I think some kids found some remains.

479
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:24.599
That would be the four kids found.

480
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.119
Kids found a victim number two, which led to victim

481
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:31.279
number three, which was Laura Miller, and then the fourth

482
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:35.319
body was found probably by kids again too. Again, I

483
00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:38.559
didn't commit any of that memories, but they were.

484
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:44.279
Independent without his help, they weren't on like these trail rides.

485
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:44.599
With it right.

486
00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.559
These individuals were out well.

487
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:52.160
Like I said, the first three were found, Robert abel

488
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.519
did not own this property. It wasn't until they found

489
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:58.039
the fourth victim in nineteen ninety one that that now

490
00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:03.000
Robert abel is owning it, operating running yeah, trail rides.

491
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.720
So I don't honestly see a serial killer. Let me

492
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:12.359
bring the public into my secret spot. I just don't

493
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:17.720
see this happening. You guys, yeah, unless you want to

494
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:21.759
be hot exactly. And they did do a search warrant

495
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:25.359
on Robert Abeles place, obviously not finding anything that connected

496
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.680
him to the murders. One of the things that I

497
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.680
did take note to is that Tim Miller had indicated

498
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.680
that at one point in time he had gone back to.

499
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:37.079
Visit his daughter's grave or the place where she was left.

500
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:43.000
Dead, and he had found DVDs that had x x

501
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:47.160
X written on them in sharpy pen Now number one.

502
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:50.079
I found the same type of DVDs in Jack's belongings.

503
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:53.319
Dennis and I were not able to get them to play.

504
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:55.519
I don't know if that is because the technology was

505
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:58.440
so different between the time that they were created and

506
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:01.359
the new computer systems that were working off of. But

507
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.759
we could not get these DVDs to play, and really

508
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:05.799
what we thought we were going to see was probably

509
00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:14.359
porn since it said xx X. Hold on, Hold on

510
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:17.559
one second, guys, yet, go ahead, Nolan, Well.

511
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:21.200
They may be CDs and not DVDs. Maybe there's audio.

512
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:24.799
They could have been. You may be right.

513
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.160
I don't know that Tim Miller was able to get

514
00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:29.680
anything off of them either. I don't recall him stating

515
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:31.559
he just remembered what was written on them and he

516
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:34.000
turned those over to the police as well. So you're

517
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.480
you're completely right they could have been CDs.

518
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:39.440
Let's see.

519
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:48.599
Race Bolling Gear. I got Grace Bowling Gear de coded

520
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:50.039
of the evidence.

521
00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:52.000
Right, and that was two of the girls.

522
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.359
You think that Robert Abel was responsible for making triple

523
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.200
rated videos of and.

524
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:01.119
So somebody along with other people anyways, right.

525
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.519
Well didn't you see? Okay, but that the people were

526
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:08.559
all people that knew Robert Able threw NASA right like

527
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:09.559
brace well.

528
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:15.440
And yeah, John, it's it's naming John Walsh, and that

529
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.880
this stuff went to a very young and up and

530
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:26.200
coming guy that knew Spielberg. So I mean I'm trying

531
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:33.680
to Lucas Lucas Lucas. Yes, it's it's It's just bizarre.

532
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:36.599
What was Abel's position at NASA.

533
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:42.720
He was a scientist, He actually created one of the rockets.

534
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.599
Okay, so it was a little close to Houston.

535
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:47.799
Then, well, he's in it.

536
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:50.599
He's he was in the He now owns the Called

537
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.839
Road property by the time they find the fourth victim,

538
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:57.079
So he was in the Galveston area for sure, and

539
00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:58.559
close by to League City.

540
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:00.279
But again, uh, the.

541
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.759
Information that they said, I guess that the FBI did

542
00:30:03.759 --> 00:30:08.640
a profile based on the murders, and Robert Abel purportedly

543
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.359
fit the profile, and that's why they started looking at him,

544
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:15.240
not only because he fit that profile, but that he

545
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:18.440
owned the property where the fourth person came up missing,

546
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:22.039
and that he inserted himself in the case by offering

547
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.960
his horses at search parties, doing everything he could to

548
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.480
search the property that he now owns. I mean, I

549
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.480
would help if people were being found dead on my

550
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.640
property and I wasn't responsible, I'd give all the axecutes

551
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:39.480
who never needed it to absolutely search my property, look

552
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:40.359
for whatever you can.

553
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:43.759
I think he was actually hoping because I'm being a

554
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:50.400
guy through many other aspects, other people anyways, that he

555
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:53.279
was actually trying to get himself arrested because he knew

556
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:57.359
he couldn't stop Sophie got arrested, then, you know, so

557
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.319
of course he's going to say, well, you know, I've

558
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.519
tried in the past to say I'm compelled to do

559
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:08.599
these horrible things, and he knows it's horrible. Arrest me, right, right,

560
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:12.920
But he's he's got top secret NASA information in his head,

561
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.440
so they weren't going to interrogate him.

562
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:21.720
So he eventually died. So what happened between this spirit

563
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.079
and the time he died. He never got recuge, never

564
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:26.799
got wayne or arrested.

565
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.319
She's saying that this happened to him. No, he wasn't

566
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.480
because they didn't find anything, right, didn't.

567
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:36.400
He didn't find anything. I've seen so many stories about him,

568
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.680
people said, why didn't they see this? Why didn't And

569
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:43.200
then I've seen Robert Abel over the years of different

570
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.519
sources saying that he was trying to get help and

571
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.920
he couldn't get help, and that he worked for NASA

572
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:53.839
and he had top secret information in his head. So

573
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:57.039
but that's why you weren't they were going to conveniently

574
00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:59.960
not find the bones and things that were on his proper.

575
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.319
There's stuff that people told, stories that made kids feel

576
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.559
like a horror just to if you look at Rubert

577
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:09.759
Abel that they were scared to even be in the

578
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:10.839
store with him.

579
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.640
Because yeah, once the media, once the media is weaponized

580
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.480
against you. And when I'm watching many of these cases,

581
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.799
I just did the thailant all murders as well. And

582
00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.359
when I'm watching what the media does to somebody, you

583
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.680
have little to no chance of getting out from underneath

584
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.039
the scrutiny once they've set their eyes on you. And

585
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.119
in many cases that we've discussed, where Jack says, hey,

586
00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.319
I know that there are people hemmed up for my crimes.

587
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:34.960
They looked at that one person and they didn't move

588
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.319
or budge from that person, which meant they weren't looking

589
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:38.200
at anybody else.

590
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:43.000
Was a Freemason.

591
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.160
Oh, I have no idea that I wantn't ask.

592
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:53.200
The people are freemasons, all the astronauts and most of

593
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:53.799
the horror.

594
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:58.039
I think I think he definitely had some old family connections.

595
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.559
His family goes way back. I think if I remember

596
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.480
writing a couple of centuries, so I would think he

597
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:09.200
had some Freemason family members. I remember having to read

598
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.319
so much about him in order to get anything that

599
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.599
I was working on correct. And he's he's got some

600
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:17.200
old family history.

601
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.160
Well, at least for the amount of crimes in the

602
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:24.119
League City field of deaths and some of the eighties,

603
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:27.720
whether Abel did actually, you know, get involved with things

604
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:32.079
as yourselves suggests. We have the letter stating that there

605
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:36.960
are other people involved, that our suspect writing this letter

606
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.119
to Tim Miller is not the only person who was

607
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:42.519
killing people in the eighties, and that Robert Abel is

608
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:44.759
not the blue Fuzz is not I'm sorry, it is

609
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:47.519
not the double saught by the League City Blue Fuzz.

610
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:50.440
So Robert Able may very well not have been responsible

611
00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.160
for any of the League City deaths.

612
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.519
There's them Ed Bell and oh, let's see other names.

613
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.759
There's a couple of other that are pretty bad. And

614
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:05.759
so this is alluding to these other creeps, so to speak.

615
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:08.960
Well, And at one point when Dennis had come back

616
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.039
from his from his visit with Tim Miller, he had

617
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:16.960
expressed me that Tim Miller had relayed to him that

618
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:19.840
he had been involved with drugs at the time his

619
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:23.679
daughter had gone missing. And the drug that Dennis stated

620
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:27.960
was cocaine, and that wraps us right back around things

621
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.079
like we're hearing about the Walshes and about other people

622
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:35.400
involved with things that might be stepping on other people's toes.

623
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:37.599
They're going to make sure you're not getting too big

624
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.400
or you know, take out someone you love to kind

625
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:43.920
of impede your progress from from becoming I guess the

626
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.239
kingpin of that area Elain.

627
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.159
All I know is I see during Reagan he was

628
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:57.079
actually using and allowing the not himself using cocaine, but

629
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:01.800
using the cocaine industry as a way to get information

630
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:05.599
on other people. I mean, Pablo Escobar was like making

631
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.079
billions in under Reagan. So you've got all the other

632
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.880
people in the cocaine world. I mean, it was snowing

633
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.039
in San Francisco every day in a city that doesn't

634
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:20.320
get snow. I was trying to go to school with

635
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.639
that for education. Oh my god. So I can go

636
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.320
on and on, but it's like they said, well, cocaine

637
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:28.840
is huge, so we can use it to kind of

638
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:31.639
sort of blackmail people.

639
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:33.760
Well, and also to fund things.

640
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:38.039
If they confiscated it or money and seizures associated with it,

641
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:42.280
then that becomes their funding for whatever other tasks that

642
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.519
they have at hand or weapons from.

643
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.519
So they were in the CIA and the offshoots that

644
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:52.199
CIA were involved in the cocaine trade and they were

645
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.079
using and then they also it was also involved in

646
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.960
the Ratan and the hostage thing and negotiate students for

647
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:06.639
given weatherons to different factions of Iranians that we supported.

648
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:08.079
They were all, you know.

649
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.920
Our enemy at the time, but that didn't matter and

650
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:12.880
they use that to help win the election.

651
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:17.719
So it was kind of scary because the news and

652
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:21.239
the media was actually portraying Laura Miller to be the

653
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:23.960
person involved with people doing drugs.

654
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:27.039
They mentioned she smoked pot. Oh good lord, the devil's

655
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:27.519
let us.

656
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.519
She's just a huge drug person, right, Like, I don't

657
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:34.039
even know where to go from there. But Tim Miller

658
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:36.880
was obviously very upset over the fact that the news

659
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.480
was portraying his daughter this way, portrayed her as a

660
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:43.480
runaway somebody that just give it time and she'll come back.

661
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.639
Even after finding Heidi Fi's body and him stating, please

662
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.039
search this area for my daughter as well, and them

663
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:51.639
saying no, no, no, it's.

664
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.320
Not related that da da da da.

665
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:56.880
But it wasn't until nineteen ninety seven, when another girl

666
00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:03.239
had gone missing, Laura Smithers, who literally came from an

667
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.559
affluent family in a good area, with no reason to

668
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.880
believe that she would be involved with drugs, gangs or

669
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:13.159
other things that we saw, you know, a full on flood.

670
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.800
They said they had something like six thousand people assisting

671
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.079
in the search for this girl once they found her missing.

672
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:20.280
And that is not how they treated five. That is

673
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.639
not how they treated Laura Miller. That is not how

674
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.639
they treated the other cases of missing women. And I

675
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:28.400
think that the reporter said there was something like thirty

676
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:32.960
three unsolved missing and murdered women during.

677
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:38.320
This seventies, late seventies to early nineties and nineties killings

678
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:40.679
that have happened, and none of them.

679
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:42.960
Received the intention that this one little girl did.

680
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:48.119
All right, Well, that hops us right back into Jack's

681
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:51.559
stuff at this point. And in September first of nineteen

682
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.960
eighty four, which is what I had talked about before,

683
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.639
I thought that this particular date was the same date

684
00:37:57.679 --> 00:37:59.880
that Laura had gone missing, but it is not. So

685
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.239
September first is when Jack fills out this Plaster County

686
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:05.320
Probation Department.

687
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.039
I guess it's a questionnaire where you employed. What do

688
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:10.719
you have going on? You know, da da, da da,

689
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:12.039
all of these different things.

690
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.519
Now I want to bring to everybody's attention that this

691
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.280
was It says that it's dated the monthly report for

692
00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:21.559
nine to one of nineteen eighty four, but there's a

693
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:23.079
post it note over here to the right.

694
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.239
That says mailed for one of nineteen eighty five.

695
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:29.480
So, for whatever reason, while it was supposedly filled out

696
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:33.199
in September, was not mailed for a good seven months,

697
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:39.199
eight months to the probation department. We do see Jack

698
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:43.239
with his blue Chevy pickup truck with a white camper shell,

699
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:46.360
and I do realize that there are some murders where

700
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:50.679
the sightings were white camper shells on blue trucks in Texas.

701
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:53.559
But it does say up here in the notes that

702
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.840
he is driving Urine Make sixty four Chevy pickup and

703
00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:00.239
the license plate number on this particular vehicle, so we

704
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:03.360
can't see that those are confirmed for the timeframe of

705
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.760
what I believe that Jack had this vehicle because we

706
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:11.320
did actually see the registration card where he had purchased it.

707
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:18.119
I believe from was it was Nora's grandfather, right Chacne, Yeah,

708
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.079
all right, so let's see.

709
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:22.840
So this is also the first time that I see

710
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:27.039
that he's working for Hewlett Packard and he is on

711
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:32.400
contract from California Plant or for California Plant Protection from Pinkerton,

712
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:34.760
and this is his first real job that I've even

713
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:36.880
noted that he's held for more than ten years. So

714
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:40.039
he is still listing the Kirby Street address in Roseville,

715
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.639
which we know is Nora's, but we know that there

716
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.320
was also a time frame that he had separated. Nora

717
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.599
moved into the Kirby Street address, and at some point

718
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:54.480
in time Jack then followed her back. Let's see, No,

719
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.400
it's not it's literally like ten not even ten minutes

720
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:01.320
around the corner. And I you know the house because

721
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.840
Jennis would pointed out every single time we.

722
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:06.320
Drove by it. He would say, that's the house where

723
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:09.599
we lived, right there. Okay, so.

724
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:14.239
Let's move on to my next So another thing I

725
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:16.639
want everybody to pay attention to is that not only

726
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:18.400
did it say on that post, it note that he

727
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:20.519
mailed it on four to one of nineteen eighty five.

728
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.960
I'm looking at and scanned an original copy of this

729
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.840
probation report. So if I scanned an original copy of

730
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.559
this probation report, yet there's a post a note on

731
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:33.760
it saying that it was mailed. That means that there

732
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.079
was more than one version of this report created, just

733
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.519
like the Zodiac, so he took the time to fill

734
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:42.280
out too, so that he had one in his possession.

735
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.719
Otherwise the original would have been mailed to the actual

736
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:48.920
entity or to the probation department with the information and

737
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:52.840
his signature. Because he's certifying what I think this is

738
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:54.800
really for them to check to see how much he

739
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:55.639
should have to pay.

740
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.119
And it is listing that he has child.

741
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.559
Support here sixty dollars a month now in nineteen eighty four,

742
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:05.519
I feel like that would I feel like all of

743
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:10.199
Jack's former children with Litha Marie Selth would have been

744
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:13.400
over the age of eighteen, wouldn't you think, Harriet.

745
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.440
Yeah, I think it's only for Charles.

746
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:19.519
So that makes me question whether or not he is

747
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.679
really with Nora at this time. Why would he be

748
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.440
paying child support if he's living at home. We know

749
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:27.960
they got the divorce. They got the divorce when he

750
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.079
tried to attack the family and add the assault with

751
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:35.280
a deadly weapon. But now we're seeing that there's child

752
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.440
support on here so that brings to mind again, is

753
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:39.840
Jack back with Nora at this.

754
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:40.360
Point in time?

755
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:44.280
Maybe maybe not otherwise, or or he is back with

756
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.960
her not really paying her the child support he's ordered,

757
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.519
but he's just using that to take away from his

758
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:53.400
income that they could ask for because that sixty dollars

759
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:54.559
goes to the children.

760
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:59.440
That's your question too. It seems like right off the top,

761
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:05.559
it says that timeless timeliness is of the essence before

762
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.159
the tenth of the month. So he fills it out

763
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.519
on the first. It's got to mail it by September tenth.

764
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:13.880
Why did until April? Or did he actually mail a

765
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.960
version in September and then mail again in April.

766
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:18.320
I don't know. It's kind of weird.

767
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.280
Yeah, no, he his post it note on it says

768
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:26.440
that he mailed for one eighty five, and so he's

769
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:28.840
making his own note of that. And you guys, I mean,

770
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.440
sometimes you got to do valid It.

771
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.440
Says as me, the month that's filled out has to

772
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.000
be mailed by the tenth that was September of eighty four.

773
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:38.960
Jack didn't do a lot.

774
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:41.440
Jack didn't do a lot of things like the average

775
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:43.239
public would be exactly right.

776
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:48.159
I would think they would reject it the probation department.

777
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:51.800
Right, I don't even understand what the purpose of mailing

778
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:52.960
it on four one of eighty.

779
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:53.320
Five would be.

780
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.400
However, like I said, it's signed and dated on nine

781
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.239
to one eighty four right as.

782
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:00.519
It was mailed on.

783
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.559
So confusion at best. But still he's in possession of

784
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.400
the original. So did he make two? Like the Zodiac

785
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.159
I also took. You know, as I sit here and

786
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:12.960
I look some of these pages or some of the

787
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:17.400
pages that I used in the examination of the Zodiac case,

788
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:19.280
and there are a lot of things in there, like

789
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:21.559
that pop up that pop up giant K that we

790
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.599
talk about, the other formations, or things like let me

791
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:28.280
see here the four stroke ends.

792
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:29.519
That actually look like w's.

793
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:31.079
So look at this N over here at the end

794
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:34.079
of Sunday, that is, it looks just like a W.

795
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:36.559
Look at the N and plant just like a W.

796
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.679
And we've seen a lot of these formations in the

797
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:44.039
Zodiac handwriting, which is a lead to the fact that

798
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:47.840
that author, on the occasion that he dropped it, is

799
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:51.400
used to using this formation, which is basically a capital.

800
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.119
And let me see if I can find one that

801
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:57.760
looks more like an n here in the in the

802
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:05.239
word none. Okay, sorry, yeah, in the word none. What

803
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:07.480
you see is this little tail sticking up here at

804
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:09.719
the top of the left side of the end. And

805
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:12.960
that's because he starts there, moves downward, moves back up

806
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.280
to make that first hump of the end before making

807
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:18.119
the cross in the center, and then coming back up

808
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:21.119
off of the baseline on the final leg of the end.

809
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.800
So it's basically this little stroke that we're seeing here

810
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.480
to the left is actually left open in his carelessness,

811
00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.199
so it makes it look like a W. And on

812
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.960
the Zodiac stuff, it looked more like what I referred

813
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:36.320
to as a bird flying because it had kind of

814
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.760
that wing w look. Even though you couldn't it didn't

815
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:44.800
fully articulate the letter full on like we see it here.

816
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.079
It is still that same movement.

817
00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:51.719
This handwriting, which is to me it appears to be

818
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:54.079
just California.

819
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:59.039
He tried to alter his own handwriting.

820
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.639
But he did it, really a lot of it. I

821
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:02.239
think that when.

822
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:06.880
It comes through, but it's not the same as this.

823
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:11.920
I think that that Jack's manipulation of his handwriting as

824
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:15.199
the Zodiac was the attempt to make everything lowercase.

825
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:20.440
That was properly lowercase, with the common habit of leaving

826
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:24.159
behind capital letters, and that and these and these letters

827
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:26.719
we've discussed before, these capital letters that we find in

828
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:30.239
the Zodiac's handwriting that pop up here and there, that

829
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:32.800
those capital letters are consistent with the capital letters and

830
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:38.079
Jack's and we see them dropped so so minutely. There.

831
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:41.360
There's just a very few of them that lead you back.

832
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:44.800
As a document examiner to say he forgot who he

833
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.039
was being at this point in time. His brain took

834
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:49.559
over and started to drop natural handwriting.

835
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:53.519
There's the issue of spacing too, like he would separate words.

836
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:57.000
I think a lot of that, a lot of those

837
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.079
things he was doing in those letters.

838
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:03.239
The it was there, which is what we believe that

839
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:05.480
were maybe clues.

840
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:09.079
It was right, it's pantographic code. That's why I found

841
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.400
so much because why would have a brilliant guy, he

842
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.599
is a brilliant mind. Why would he not know how

843
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:17.239
to spell words and you know, put stuff. That's what

844
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:18.119
caught my attention.

845
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:23.480
Yeah, Well, there's also the hyphenating of words where sometimes

846
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:25.480
he didn't even use the hyphen He just broke the

847
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:28.440
word on one line and then started the second half

848
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:32.480
of the word down here and sometimes hyphenating, sometimes not hyphenating,

849
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:34.920
but awkward breaks when there was enough room to write

850
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:35.639
the full words.

851
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.199
So that's what doesn't make any sense.

852
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.679
And the Zodiac clearly showed the use of all space

853
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:43.840
on the paper. So why in those particular instances would

854
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.239
he break the word in half so that the second

855
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:49.280
half of it fell on another line unless there was

856
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.800
a purpose behind doing so, because he did not have

857
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:54.760
a problem writing right up to the edge of the

858
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:56.079
paper by any means.

859
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:58.639
Can we look at the full document again, because it's

860
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:03.360
his writing scene just so precise and like professional, it's

861
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:05.159
just it's amazing, really.

862
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.880
But when you look a lot of them, when you

863
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:11.320
look at a lot of the.

864
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:13.280
Forms, you see the consistency.

865
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:17.360
So looking at his name Jack, where he writes lowercase A,

866
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:23.199
which is that bell top A, but then in Terrance

867
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:27.639
he uses capital a's right.

868
00:47:27.639 --> 00:47:29.760
So there's this mix back and forth.

869
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:33.400
But when you look at things like the ms, the seas,

870
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:35.280
I think the sea's were some of the things that

871
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:37.559
when the nine to eleven letters were mailed that people

872
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.039
were really kind of jumping onto as far as what

873
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:41.360
looked like the zodiac.

874
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:43.440
But the piece that.

875
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:49.119
Decided on the lines themselves, everything just to the lines,

876
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:52.280
and they're all very straight, very neat.

877
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.159
And that is something that I actually say that the

878
00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:59.519
Zodiac had in his ability to write on unlike paper

879
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:03.199
per food lines like he is manuscripting law.

880
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:10.519
Yeah, yeah, very controlled basically. So November eighth of nineteen

881
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:14.000
eighty four, we had a man named Robert William Hope,

882
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:17.280
thirty two years of age, that was killed. It looks

883
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:20.039
like he was on the eighteen hundred block of North

884
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.880
Park in Kingwood, Texas. So this is back in Texas

885
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.599
at this point in time. If I'm to presume that

886
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.159
in September of nineteen eighty four, Jack is still paying

887
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:30.159
child support, if.

888
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.679
That wasn't a lie. Oh, we we're down to our

889
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:33.320
last minute.

890
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:35.599
I think I will save this slide before getting into

891
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.800
this one for next week. But is there any last

892
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.280
comments that anybody has in regards to today's information.

893
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:47.440
Well, I'm thankful that you warphed into the sections of

894
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:50.960
where he's purposely breaking up the words, and that's where

895
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.000
me the codebreaker comes in. I recognize the the center

896
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:56.760
graphic code, and I'd sure like to know how he

897
00:48:56.920 --> 00:49:00.199
learned it, but I'm seeing it years year is the

898
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:01.360
years before Jack.

899
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:07.400
Maybe through the military, maybe through the Navy, the Air Force,

900
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:12.719
right right, Yeah, he could have been part of a

901
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:16.159
bigger organization that we even begin to understand. But we

902
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:18.559
know that when he was in at Sugi, Japan, that's

903
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:21.559
where he learned code, ham, radio and all of the

904
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.599
things that American airmen were required to do on that

905
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:27.719
base in order to fulfill their duties.

906
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:29.199
So all of his.

907
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:35.840
Right, all right, you guys, Well, I want to wish

908
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:39.039
everybody a wonderful weekend. I have a great next week.

909
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:41.800
We will see you all next Friday.

910
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:44.559
It feels better yours too.

911
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:04.920
They must do the