Episode 98: Zodiac Rants, Letters, and Solves

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True Seekers and true crime junkies.
Welcome back to another episode of Hit

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the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac. Today
we have Nolan del Campo and Harriet Suchet

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with us. I'm going to welcome
them to the show. Good morning,

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Good morning guys, doing everybody's staying
warm. It's a little it's full here,

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so it's probably gonna be seventy five
today, so it's warm here,

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but it's it's freezing in the morning, like pretty How are you up there

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on the r Oh, it's beautiful. I think we're supposed to be at

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eighty today, right, really,
yeah, it's nice. Yeah. Today,

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I'm going to actually start with something
that Wan and Wan are you there?

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You're going to join us right now, aren't you? Hey? Yeah?

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Okay, can hear you? Oh? There, you go hi,

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Wan morning, and I thought I
lost everybody. So our addigital voice.

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You're what my podcast engineer? Is
that the proper technical term for you?

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Engineer? Yes, engineer, podcast
engineer, that would be correct. I

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did it right? Oh sweet.
Anyways, last week, after we ended

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our episode, Wanhead told me about
something called freaking, And of course everybody

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has their own idea of what freaking
means, but it was an issue or

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a very interesting topic, and you
had indicated that that was some type of

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way to make a free phone call
correct one that would be correct. Yeah,

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back then, not anymore in the
sixties. I know you keep reminding

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me of that. I want to
get a whistle and I want to try

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it. Okay, I mean if
you can find a working public phone,

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then maybe you can still get away
with it. You know there there is

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still I don't know if it's working. Did we check to see if that

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payphone was working out there at Lake
Kerman Road, Harriot? I I don't.

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That would be more like uh our
competitors side of what they would do.

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But there was a lot of things
going on, so it's no I

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met I met when we were out
there, we saw the phone booth at

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Lake Herman Road at the visitor area
to Lake Herman. Remember the phone booth

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that still had an actual phone booth
in it. I think that was with

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you and Dennis. Dennis never went
out there with me, Sandy Bens.

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Anyways, Oh, I know is
it's it's supposed to still be there.

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It is, and I might have
to go try it and see if I

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can't make me some friend phone we
got. We got some things to do

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now on the to do list.
Just wait until I tell you about what

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whim out there? Yeah, okay, So on the on the freaking side

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of things, One had sent me
a article from Encyclopedia Britannica, and in

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that I found that the freaking was
also known as phone freaking, fraudulent manipulation

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of telephone signaling in order to make
free phone calls. And the reason why

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I got interested in this is because
we know that the Zodiac was making phone

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calls. Now did he pay for
these phone calls? This is something I've

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often now wondered since one has you
know, given me this information. This

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sounds like something that would be right
up Jack's alley. It's basically hacking the

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phone system in order to make free
long distance phone calls. So that's what

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made me start to think about all
the payphone boots that he had used and

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whether or not he was actively paying
to make those calls. Now, I

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would think back then, a nine
to one one call would probably be free,

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wouldn't you want? I mean in
the early nineties. I don't think

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they had nine one one back then, not in nineties seventy, but they

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had ways to make emergency calls,
you know. Yeah, so you would

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have to act surely know the police
department's phone number to call it. I

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think you would just ask the operator
operator zero for the operator, but you

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can try out for one one out
here in San Francisco, New York.

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That's what I was surprised that it
goes back to all the way in nineteen

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thirty. Yeah, you would dial
for one one or the operator. Hey,

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I need help here, let's see
what's the number? Okay. So

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I'm just trying. I'm just trying
to do I mean, I know that

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he also called victim's family members.
So again you would probably four one one

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or dial zero for the operator and
then they would patch you through. But

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I would think you would have to
pay for that or colllect the phone number.

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Freaking freaking actually bypass that, so
you would need to know the number

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then, right, because the way
that it worked is that the frequency they

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used to transfer you over that was
used by the operator. So by you

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creating that frequency, you would bypass
the operator and make the phone call yourself.

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Oh okay, that's right up jack
zally right. So basically what it

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says is by emulating those tones,
freaks could make phone calls around the world.

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Freaking largely ended in nineteen eighty three
when telephone lines were upgraded to the

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Common Channel Inner office signaling, which
is CCIS, which separated signaling from the

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voice line. The term freak comes
from a combination of words phone freak and

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freak are free and freak. Phone
freaking verse began in the nineteen sixties when

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people discovered that various whistles could recreate
the twenty six hundred megahertz pitch of the

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phone routing signal. Some people could
whistle in a perfect twenty six one hundred

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megahertz pitch, most notably a blind
man, and I guess sound and tone

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would be, you know, a
heightened experience for them, it says John

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Draper, a friend of Angriscia discovered
that a whistle distributed it as a prize.

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In a Captain Crunch, serial admitted
this is great, you guys,

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admitted a perfect twenty six hundred makerhertz
pitch, thus earning him the Moniker Captain

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Crunch. As freaking evolved, the
use of what is known as a blue

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box or m effer came the most
common way of manipulating the phone signal.

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Blue boxes were self constructed transmitters that
gave the users access to the same twelve

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tones used by phone operators, as
described in the Bell System Technical Journal in

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nineteen fifty four. In nineteen sixty, early freakers were known to examine dumpsters

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outside phone company offices and other locations
in order to find discarded manuals and equipment.

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Now it got really interesting as it
began to talk about things like freaking

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entered the popular imagination in October nineteen
seventy one, when Esquire featured the story

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The Secrets of the Little Blue Box
by Ron Rosenbaum. The practice became popular

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on university campuses, prompting future Apple
Inc. Founder Steve Jobs and Steve Wohsnack

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to make blue boxes long before they
built their Macintosh. During the nineteen seventies,

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freaking became associated with political radicalism.
Abby Hoffman, leader of the Youth

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International Party, became interested in freaking
as a means of resisting the monopoly of

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American Telephone and Telegraph, which is
now known as AT and T. In

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nineteen seventy one, Hoffman and a
freaker known as al Bell began publishing a

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newsletter called Party Line, which described
ways of subverting telephone lines for their own

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uses. In nineteen seventy three,
Party Line became known as TAP, standing

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for Technological Assistance Program. Hoffman advocated
liberating the telephone lines because he believed that

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taking control of the communications system would
be a crucial action for mass revolt.

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By the mid nineteen seventies, AT
and T had revealed that it had lost

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approximately thirty million per year to telephone
fraud, including freaking. Now, I

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want to talk about that number,
thirty million per year to this freaking or

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this hacking of the phone lines.
What does that say about how much they're

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really making Because I don't know anybody
who knew any I mean, Juan was

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the first person I've ever heard about
this from. And I came from the

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era of telephone boosts. So obviously
it's not common knowledge by everybody. But

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if they've lost thirty million just due
to it, then I can't imagine what

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they actually made. Let's see,
in nineteen eighty three, telephone lines were

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upgraded to CCIS to separate signaling from
the voice line, effectively ending the freaking.

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Although freaking largely died out, the
spirit of freaking infused computer hacking.

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So many freakers became hackers when personal
computers and modems became available during the early

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nineteen eighties, and thus perpetuated their
anti bureacratic sentiments and belief that lines of

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communication should be free. How do
you guys feel about that, right?

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I mean, shouldn't we be able
to reach out and talk to anybody regardless

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or have them open lines of communicating
that the government is so? I mean,

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we've heard about the telegraph, We've
heard about the teletype, We've heard

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about the am radio. We've heard
about all these different ways that communication has

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been made free to them. Why
shouldn't we have that same capability? Reach

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out then touch someone was one of
the It was one of the catch phrases,

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reach out and touch someone for a
nice penny and thirty million. Well

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that was awesome. One. Is
there anything else you'd like to add to

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that? Do you know much about
the hacking, like what they were talking

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about as it pertained to the computers
and the motives. Yeah, the hacking

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is more so like to have a
line of communication across the world through a

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chat line instead of the phone,
Instead of the phone. Oh right,

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I suppose like WhatsApp or Signal or
some of those that you can actually reach

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out and make phone calls on that, or like FaceTime. Right, this

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was back when before all of that, before the apps and all that came

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came through. So that was more
like online chat rooms. Think more of

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like Reddit. All right, the
dark rooms, freaking you guys, everybody's

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hacking something. Let's go ahead and
put up the PowerPoint presentation. At this

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point, we're gonna climb right back
into the solves with Harriet. You had

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sent me over an additional my name
is solved that you found. Now this

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one was from the actual letter,
correct, Yes, well I can go

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ahead. Okay, No, no, no, I got you guys.

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Something's going on with my headset.
Sorry wan, I got chat. I

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just had to take my headset off. Okay, something's going on there.

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All right, guys, we're back, I said, the ghosts are acting

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up again. Ah, all right, So back to what I was saying,

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Harriet, this is the this is
an additional salvet to the my name

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is cipher And you had done a
stenographic solve to this correct, I believe

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so, and then adding the code
the AE and then all this. You

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know what Dennis told me that Jack
told him that it says Jack, my

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name Jack. So I mixed that
all in and and this is the message

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you got, can you? Yeah? Well, this is this actually goes

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after the envelope. I think I'm
going to be done with the envelope by

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monday. But anyways, he's saying, so make sure as soon as possible

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to answer question. Because alcoholics anonymous
located you see, Davis doctors MD doctors

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require actual sequence a LSD the mickey
Finn to put something in a particular drink.

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B lick Washington in payote stamp is
a two cent stamp, now extremely

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rare then commonplace anyways, and uc
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diffel mind dash one hundred. I'll
explain why I was able to pick that

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number anyways, if Post editor,
he's asking if Post editor son this New

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York Post in New York City,
RNC, this Republican National Committee, Guy

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Prescott Bush, Missus Prescott Dorothy or
Jerry McCabe, which was Kennedy's and other

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people's and avyad Antidote payod on that
stamp. I am no minesio a protected

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name by that means government everything.
Noman can chime in why that would mean

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anyways, at alcoholics anonymous me Zodiac
Jack, he's trying to get the cure.

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He's trying to get off mk ultra
and all this stuff that they're programmed

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to do. So he's trying to
get cured himself, and then he's going

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to try to stop everything else that
he's saying is going to happen in the

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future. So this could be the
reason for the outbreak of the mescaline and

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the payote that we're seeing during this
time in the nineteen seventies, is that

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they're using it in a way to
help people to get off the LSD or

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the acid from the mk Ultra program. I'm guessing that's part of it.

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So this is a unique type of
LSD government version, and I'm thinking I'm

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going to find out that there's going
to be a unique type of payote that

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goes back decades on this stamp that
actually comes from between nineteen eight to like

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nineteen forty seven, and it was
still in use from a vending machine,

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though not from the United States Postal
Service, but printed by printing and graving,

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so normal LSDS LSD twenty five.
You said this was LSD one hundred,

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I've never heard of that. Well, this is That's why I said

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it can't be LSD minus one,
like zero one one or zero zero one,

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because all I was left with was
those three numbers. So this would

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be. This would be since CIA
came out after the nineteen thirties, this

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is their version. They there's supposed
to be different version, different numbers.

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I don't know. I'm not CIA, I'm not I'm not mg Ultra,

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I'm not the federal government and other
governments, Soviet. All kinds of things

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are coming out in these that what
is the number? What does the number

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indicate? Nolan? Do you know
that I don't know what the hundred means

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yet? Five? Yeah? Yeah, gotcha. Okay, Wait to identify

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one quick point about ce I in
k Ultra and programs like that. A

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lot of times the leaders, the
presidents in the hierarchy, state Department,

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and whatnot were unaware of these programs
that were going on, like dramestic surveillance,

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the LSD experiments, the mind control
experiments. The government, the nominal

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government didn't really know what the heck
was going on when the CIA was doing

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it stuff well, And that brings
me to a really great point. Because

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I told Harriet we spoke yesterday about
this. I wanted her to give me

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kind of a brief statement as to
what she believed Jack was and what he

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was involved with. And literally she
is indicated. And I'm gonna let you

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take this here in a second,
but you believe the Twin Towers and Building

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Number seven, which housed both the
Treasury and the CIA, were under plans

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for more than decades in order to
destroy it so that they could cover up

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all of the information in these documents
that were I think it was Helms was

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at Helms that wanted all the k
Ultra stuff destroyed. I have to destroy

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most of it, but there were
some that he didn't get to, and

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maybe he just didn't know where it
was or I don't know what happened.

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But Harriet, Harriet has actually come
up with us all that indicates how those

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additional documents came about, which we're
going to get to. But Harriet,

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just give us a brief overview of
what you think Jack, who he was,

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and what he was involved with,
and then we can tie that back

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to this story. He's definitely mk
ultra CIA and I had when I was

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seeing the salt surface surfacing the last
couple of weeks, I'm I had to

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verify. I had to look it
up very quickly. You know, did

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they start planning the World Trade Center
in the late nineteen forties? Yes,

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you can look it up. You
can find out they planned it in the

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late nineteen forties. That's the beginning
of our CIA. So he's the gist

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of it is he's involved with some
incredible, very dark and he even says

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evil plans and programs, and they
programmed him. They mickey finned him with

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the LSD. And they also did
the same to Frank Olsen and Frank Olson.

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Apparently according to many, we were
going to see some of the saults

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D. I think. Anyways,
he's saying Frank Olsen copied all these files

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starting from the I believe the nineteen
thirties in the OSS into the CIA,

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and some people found out and they
argued. On November twenty eighth, nineteen

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fifty three, Jack is saying repetitively, he saw Frank Olsen go out the

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window. I'm thrown out the window. He did first, and then they

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killed them because they probably had to
get the LSD into him so that they

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could use that as the reasoning for
why he would have freaked out and jumped

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on his zone. But Harriet,
like she said, is coming up with

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saws that indicate Jack watched it was
side and white, Yeah, saying yea

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like shitty thing to do or what
a shitty thing to do. And then

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now he's in this for some reason. He's having I believe, tons of

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flashbacks and he's keep seeing Frank going
out the window. Frank So in sixty

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in sixty seven when the so called
MK Ultra program ended, and we say

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so called because I think they just
flipped it into another program, gave it

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a new name. Richard Helms actually
he was what head of the CIA or

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yeah, I think he was just
become a head of it at that point.

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Yes, okay, he ordered he
ordered all the documents in MK Ultra

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destroyed in thirty thousand were supposedly misfiled
in another location that he didn't catch,

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and that then surfaced in the seventies
to obviously out the CIA on these programs

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and what it was that they were
doing. And ultimately speaking, it had

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always been my assertion that Building number
seven, which hadn't been touched by any

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type of aircraft or otherwise have been
imploded because the CIA and the Treasury,

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both inside the same building, were
looking to destroy anything that could hold them

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culpable for these type of acts.
But I was more on the side of

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the missing two hundred and seventy trillion
dollars from the Treasury in regards to our

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social security that Bush was being hammered
down on. For now. If the

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CIA is holding or residing with the
Treasury, then I can see how Jack

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would be both that Treasury goon that
you talked about Harriot and the CIA at

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the same time. And there's only
one way to get rid of information,

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and I think they knew this,
and that was to destroy it all.

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You couldn't simply erase things. The
point there's a really good book. It's

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called A Terrible mistake. So it's
the story of Frank Olsen and it's also

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about the history of LSD and the
history of the CIA's secret programs like Artic

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Choke and Bluebird and nk L Trip
and all that. And it goes from

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before his death, after his death, all the way up until like the

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nineties. So it's a great book. It's called a Terrible Mistake. Wow,

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so say it. Oh, I
was going to say one thing with

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what I'm seeing people are going to
say, how say that I've seen many

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times now that Jack is against seeing
him going out the window. He's knowing

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something about World Trade Center, all
this stuff pre programmed, pre planned.

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I'm going to say that it's Frank
Olsen was actually the first person out the

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World Trade Center window. He must
have knew that this was coming too,

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and they just pushed him out the
window. So and then also threw out

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Yeah, so in the little list
letter, you're going to find out some

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things I don't know. We're covering
that today. Yeah, Yeah, we're

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going to get onto that. So
let's just see if we can cover whatever

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else we had in here. So
Alcoholics Anonymous was also interesting to me because

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Jack carried around the serenity prayer in
his in his back pocket kind of thing.

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I know that he became baptized in
nineteen eighty, so he had kind

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of sobered up and tried to go
on a straight life. And I think

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that you've also indicated that by that
time he is really trying to out everybody

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in regards to this, so he
might have had his own come to Jesus

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meeting. Well, he was pre
programmed to do all these things, and

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then there's other people program That's what
I'm saying that there's a lot of people

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program to do this well. And
this is kind of your work up on

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it. So it makes account for
every single saw or i'm sorry or letter

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that's on this particular communication. So
this breaks it down, shows you number

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by letter what it was used to, then anagram that message out. Now

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we also had the button letter,
so we're just we're just really kind of

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picking up where we left off from
the last couple of weeks in regards to

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the letters that we've gone over.
Can you read this button letter solved to

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us? Yeah, and uh so, if the Herst family is listening,

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Apparently Jack was very chummy with Randolph. I've said this this whole time.

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He's non surprised your message, but
he's saying Randolph ass whole you know,

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he's trying to he's trying. It's
appearing to me that these were supposed to

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be private coded messages because he's trying
to get off of MK Ultra everything.

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So we did here we go hold
on what Hold Hold on one second,

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because I want people to understand before
you start reading this, you've discovered that

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you believe that these communications have been
falsely portrayed at the wrong dates. So

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while this letter was purported to the
public to have been written on June twenty

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sixth of nineteen seventy, you're actually
finding that they were in the nineteen seventy

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four era versus the nineteen seventy and
that they have just come back at some

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point in time and given us these
false dates or made up envelopes with postmarks

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and things like that, in order
to deter us from the actual timeline of

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when this stuff was occurring. Correct, I believe something like that. This

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looks like these are facsimiles, sorry, older versions of the machines. What's

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only the wealthy the military governments then
had the ability to do. So,

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He's saying that. So when you
see this, even online, all you're

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seeing is copies of what is said
to be original scans. So scans are

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you know, telegraph or telephone or
whatever. Those are scans sent on a

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wire. So that's what I'm seeing
here. I mean read this. It's

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actually it's actually dated August fifteenth,
nineteen seventy four. Am. This time

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is for the morning. Some of
the times it's going to be after midnight.

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The operation midnight anyways, facts says, AM morning fac simile to Randolph

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Asshole. Sorry, guys, anyways, I did try rin, which is

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Richard Nixon. Fact man, don't
cut any President Richard Nixon resigned August eighth,

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nineteen seventy four. In spring,
I sent eleven fact similes and circa

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the date of four twenty But this
is four twenty seventy four Zodiac thirteenth cipher

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has my confidential underlined c I A
nomanescio regarding where is remedy. So he's

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he's mad, tattle tale Frank Olson. Sorry, print San Francisco and New

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York files pause contact me on mission
location on Phillips sixty six map darkroom in

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the eighty one oh one area pause, I need Cincinnati shimmeck perforations Franklin Washington

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series US Scott number three two two
printed by the Bureau of Printing and Engraving.

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Exclamation mark did Senator Prescott Bush Chip
Bolan save any two cent unique eye

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cold stamps? He's question mark do
you have any alcoholics? Anonymous phrase?

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Plus the I cold LSD drug is
the nine the remedy. It's nine nine

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nine is a reverse of sixty sixty
six, which is evil nine. It's

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reversed again anyways, and then he
says to repeat UPI, which is United

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Press International asshole. MYNESO is in
Zodiac thirteen cipher contact me at the area

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on the latitude longitude SFA area map
the two eighty one O one area northeast

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San Jose. Reply if Prescott his
son Magogue bush h that's George W.

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H. Bush KGB communist Chip Boland
did save I coult LSD after Operation Midnight?

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Modus tollans. I'll explain in a
minute what that is because alcoholics anonymous

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phrase and the R ex drug on
that stamp is the remedy to undo evil

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spell. David Frost to pay one
million to IOU President Nixon for a one,

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which is top story, Jack tarrns, So why was it? What?

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My god? What it says?
And references in New York are references

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to CIA houses that they were doing
LSD and mind control or behavior control experiments.

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And guy's name, George is escaping
me now, but he was in

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charge of it, George hunter White. George. I'm trying to look at

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his name. He comes up a
lot in this book, The Terrible.

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Yeah, Marge Hunter White and I
started doing in New York in the Mission

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District, Yes, erect Telegraph Hill. Well, yeah, nine o one

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Mission Street. Mission Street is the
location of the San Francisco Chronicle. I

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believe still is. And I got
to say, if I remember correctly,

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briefly, Dennis even thought for a
while that Jack was somehow working with that

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location, you know, because there
was a time period where he was gone

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a lot in nineteen seventies. So
you know, here he's he's saying contact

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him at nine to one Mission,
but he's also going to UC Davis trying

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to get this I called the Evil
Spell reversed. Well, so that's what

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I want to kind of let everybody
know at this point in time, is

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that Jack had a dark room in
his house from nineteen seventy to at least

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nineteen seventy two. Now I know
you and I Harriet discussed the possibility of

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him continuing to have kept that house
past that point, though Dennis only recalls

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him having that home up until nineteen
seventy two on Doughburn Way, where he

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had a dark room down in his
basement, which was probably one of the

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few houses that had a basement to
begin with. But it's fitting right on

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in with Jack because a he's talking
about San Jose, he's talking about a

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dark room. Dennis already had admitted
way back in the beginning that Jack had

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a dark room, and that really
did not have any bearing on the Zodiac

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case because it didn't pertain to photographs
like it didn't Black Dahlia. So to

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know that he had this dark room, Dennis had no way of knowing that

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that would actually fit in or be
part of your souls. So that brings

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me back, That brings me back
to the date sequence that this letter is

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written June twenty sixth of nineteen seventy. We know Jack had the home in

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San Jose with the dark room in
it at that time, which would coincide

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with the timeframe, but we don't
know that Jack had that house in nineteen

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seventy four, but he is definitely
saying, come see me at the two

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to eighty one oh one area,
which is the Santa Clara San Jose area.

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What he's also saying in here is
the reason about the dark room is

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he says repetitively that he got carbon
copies of Frank Olsen's millions and millions of

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pages, apparently on versions of microfilm. So he's trying to he's trying to

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stop what's going on currently about the
MK Ultra. And I think, you

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know when I'm going to go out
on a limb and state that that's probably

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where they found a whole bunch of
those files, because Jack is constantly saying

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this is circa the mom is the
information bomb. Yeah. Now you also

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talked about three twenty two being a
number for the Skull and Bones Society.

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Yes, yep, and this particular
stamp is number three two two. It

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came out, uh. And then
it's what confirmed my solve all the more

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is it's saying what I had just
found out recently that Skull and Bones George

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H. W. Bush was known
from his time at I think it was

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Yale as mcgog as mcgog Wow,
and so how that that that stuff just

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keeps coming up and almost says a
confirmation. So now the last line says,

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David Frost to pay one million to
I owe you President Nixon for a

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one story, so too, because
yeah, explain that to him. Okay,

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Nixon. Nixon is totally broke.
He's just quit and uh he's apparently

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heard from uh day David Frost,
the famous interviewer, talk show host guy,

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Yeah, that he was to pay
one million for the top of the

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line, a one story, which
I got to say that Jack maybe doing

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a version of extortion here, like
hello, there's a whole bunch of things

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that Nixon can talk about. Cooperate
please now, so famous interview across to

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Nixon. They actually made a movie
about it. Yeah. See, and

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if I understand correctly, he did
get paid one million. Nixon was definitely

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broke by the time he got paid. He had to pay off a couple

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hundred thousand to a lot of people, so he was broke, you know.

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So well, and then that brings
us back to the Z thirty two

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solve, which you had additional solves
to the Z thirty two, which I

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didn't pick up on last time.
Basically, what we had gotten the last

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time was expedite or forward to John
f or John on Fagio MK ultra Cia

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at Dow Inc. And that was
Lauren Swearing's solved that you then took.

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I show you took his digraph system
and then anagrammed to additional messages. Well,

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this is actually Jack's digraph system that
Laurens Swearing and figured out. And

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then I adjusted just a couple of
sections, and I said, this actually

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for me makes more sense. But
you go on about what you found out

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about Well, well we'll get to
that after we're done with your solves.

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So one of my questions is,
is one of your solves has said expedite

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forward to John F. Kennedy,
Attorney General, which you presume to be

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brother documents respectfully in order MK Ultra
Cia at Dow Chemical Inc. Now,

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my only question about that is that
this letter written in nineteen seventy or if

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we're to believe that that's the timeframe
of it, four, keep going it

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will even seventy four couldn't go to
JFK's ag because Bobby Kennedy's dead already.

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No, it's the documents that are
part of because what they were doing,

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apparently what Jack is doing trying to
get involved with the CIA mk ultra that

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Bobby Kennedy started, my god,
with going after these people in the nineteen

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fifties was somebody last named Little That. So there's a lot of things going

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on, communism and mk ultra,
Cold War. So he became the ag.

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But I think he's saying, send
a whole bunch of these documents or

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gather them up because he had found
out that there was some mk ultra CIA

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in theory at dow Chemical ink.
Wow. Now you also found one that

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said Jack WT of seven CIA help, I had gotten cross or mad on

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mk ultra. What is that one
mean? Oh my god, I think

405
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it's something seven the Secret seven.
Yeahmanda miss seven. Okay, I think

406
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.000
that that's it. So he's saying
something about that, I think. But

407
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:22.519
he's what he's saying, I've got
I've gone mad, I'm on mk ultra.

408
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.480
And then he's saying how to help
him? And he's at UC Davis

409
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:31.239
And you heard have you heard Nolan
of the mandomas seven? No? I

410
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:37.079
have not Okay, that's another another
thing to research. I get lost down

411
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.239
all my rabbit holes, and I
have lots of them. Is taking you

412
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:45.360
down to the rabbit hole like uh, tripping on mushrooms and LSD and uh.

413
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:52.360
That's why I'm not comfortable with doing
this version. I like und with

414
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:58.400
some amazing stuff just by anagramming.
So well, and then your last message

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00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:05.320
says help Jack Terrence of evan Cia
after midnight going north to I eighty two

416
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:10.280
w X crossing it I fifty.
This would lead you, like you said,

417
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:15.559
directly on into South Lake Tahoe or
the Paradise Hotel, which we believe

418
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that Jack has moved himself to by
this time. Yeah, something like that.

419
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:24.079
But it's also very close to where
you see Davis. Is this within

420
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:30.239
that vicinity? So yeah, I'm
gonna say that the fifty and eighty split.

421
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.199
Now, I don't know where it
was actually that far back. I

422
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:37.599
mean I didn't come to Sacramento until
nineteen ninety one, but that split.

423
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But that split is approximately seven to
eight miles, would you say, Nolan

424
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from Davis the fifty eighty split?
Yeah ten miles? Yeah, yeah,

425
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.480
maybe about ten miles. So it
could very well have been in a location

426
00:36:53.639 --> 00:37:00.199
along that strip at some point,
and it is very close to Davis Well.

427
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:04.719
That brings us to the Fagio which
we've been talking about. The phonetic

428
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:10.920
spelling in which case Laurence swearingam It
indicated that the expedite two John Fagio Cia

429
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:22.480
mk Ultra Dow chemicals could either be
Fagio Faggio or Fagio Fagio or Fagio fa

430
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:29.639
Zio. I was able to actually
find two individuals named John Fagio. It

431
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.119
looks like they were born and died
at different times. They would have they

432
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.599
would have been alive obviously during this
time. Both of them happened to be

433
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.559
out of a Jersey and Maryland area. Not that that isn't a home run

434
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:45.000
hit for you know, the ant
Brax stuff and everything else. But I

435
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:50.280
couldn't find any good information on these
individuals other than the fact that they lived

436
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.440
and died, So there was nothing
there for me to really pull up or

437
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:58.800
have any information on. Now,
the word Fazio is a completely different story.

438
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.679
This one. I came up with
a John Fazio who him and his

439
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:08.639
brother Carl Fazio, purchased a chain
of grocery stores with the Costa brothers,

440
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:15.880
Sam Costa and I'm not recalling his
brother's name at this point, but we'll

441
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:20.960
come back to that. So basically
in Cleveland, Ohio, which is another

442
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.800
thing that was brought to my attention, because we know that there are letters

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00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:30.639
written to Cleveland, Ohio by the
Zodiac. We know that the Plaine Dealer,

444
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:38.079
which is something I have heavily discussed
in regards to it. It's promoting

445
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:44.239
things like Robert Graysmith's book. So
the Plaine Dealer was one of those reviews

446
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:46.920
that was in his book that helped
to sell it. So largely across the

447
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:52.840
world. We've got the Ohio reference, and then we've got the Italians,

448
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:58.000
which is exactly who we're about to
talk about. So it says Cleveland,

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00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.199
Ohio. During the nineteen sixties and
nineteen seventies, the name Fazio's was synonymous

450
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:06.079
with grocery shopping in the Northeast Ohio. The opening of a new store in

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00:39:06.159 --> 00:39:12.119
Northeast Ohio was greeted with newspaper articles
extolling the European flavors and Fasio's bakery departments,

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00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.400
gourmet specialties from around the world,
and a large produce department. At

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00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:20.480
the height of his grocery store empire
in nineteen sixty nine, John Fazio's chain

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encompass two hundred and two stores in
Ohio, Kentucky, Chicago, Illinois,

455
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:30.679
and Los Angeles, California. So
here we're hammering down on some of these

456
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:37.480
major areas. Another thing I found
out about this is that eventually when everything

457
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.800
went south for this man. And
we're going to talk about why, to

458
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:45.119
me looks like a perfect mob made
man, and we'll talk about why I

459
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:51.679
think that as we go through this. But his California stores were eventually sold

460
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.360
to the owners of Albertsons, and
that's how we got Albertsons in California.

461
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:59.360
I thought that was interesting. I
remember Albertsons. I haven't seen one in

462
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:04.400
probably twenty thirty years, but I
remember having shopped at them with my parents.

463
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:07.719
They still have Albertson's in Bakersfield that
was down there recently, and there's

464
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.440
an albert right right, but they've
pretty much erased them all from the northern

465
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:16.039
California area. Yeah, I don't
see him around here. What I could

466
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:20.760
find in twenty twenty three on Fisher
Foods is that they still had two convenient

467
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.199
locations. Now they had two hundred
and two stores. At the height of

468
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:30.719
his career, he was expanding into
stop and shop supermarkets, into convenience stores.

469
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:35.920
So here's that relation back to the
zodiac in regards to picking up kids

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00:40:36.440 --> 00:40:42.480
or victims from convenience stores. The
payphone booth which we just talked about,

471
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:46.280
the freaking, which was very interesting. It says the Fazio brothers, Carl

472
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:51.159
and John, advertised another new store
on May twenty first, nineteen sixty four.

473
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:55.280
This one was in Parma Heights.
This year's a picture of mister Fazio

474
00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:00.760
and his first wife in the house
that they purchased called Roundwood Manner in the

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00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.199
early sixties. It says John Fazio
was born in Cleveland, the youngest of

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00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.119
three children. He worked on his
father's fruit car then later dropped out of

477
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:13.079
Alexander Hamilton High School to work in
his father's small grocery store along with his

478
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.519
brother Carl. Now, grocery stores
were typically owned by the mob back then.

479
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:20.480
You know, that's where they would
launder money, that's where they would

480
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.360
do all kinds of things. But
John, Carl and their father Charles,

481
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:28.960
opened their first store called Fazio's in
the Cedarley district of Cleveland Heights. In

482
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.039
the nineteen thirties, John fell for
Anita, a Woolworths cashier, and they

483
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:37.400
married in nineteen forty one, despite
the opposition from both families. His family

484
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.599
didn't like her because she wasn't Italian, and her family had the opposite objection

485
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:45.800
about John said, I'm thinking a
granddaughter. A daughter. But John,

486
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:51.119
Carl and other investors purchased the then
faltering fish Or Food chain in nineteen sixty

487
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:53.960
five, and the sale expanded the
company to one hundred and twenty stores.

488
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:59.119
That took a lot of money to
do, so somebody coming from one menial

489
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:06.119
grocery store to purchasing a train of
one hundred and twenty. Granted it is

490
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.800
done with the cost of partners,
but again those guys are also Italian descent,

491
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:15.920
so he did serve in World War
Two. By nineteen sixty the business

492
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.440
had grown to include Fazio's and Stopping
Shop stores run by both John and Carl.

493
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:24.239
John Fazio frequented his stores. He
liked to keep up his customer service,

494
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:28.000
and that kind of reminds me of
the good old boy, right,

495
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:35.039
the good old Italian mob wanting to
save face, to make nice, to

496
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:42.159
play pretty and get out there and
schmooze people. It's just some things about

497
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.960
this just kind of tickled me.
I do see that he lived pretty much

498
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:50.320
a lavish lifestyle based on what he
was doing, you know, going on

499
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:54.039
vacation, snowmobiling, pool table in
the house, badminton on the backyard.

500
00:42:54.559 --> 00:43:01.480
Like he was definitely living the life. Let's see what so John Fazio's fortunes

501
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:07.599
slipped in the nineteen seventies when he
narrowly escaped prison. It says for his

502
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:13.360
role in a price fixing case involving
Fisher Foods pick and pay and stop and

503
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.400
shop. So now we have the
price fixing that's going on, and now

504
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:22.599
that takes me back to the mob
once again. See, Fazio was forced

505
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:27.960
to take an early retirement at Fisher's
president and CEO in May of nineteen seventy

506
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.119
nine. Rather than fight the board
of directors, what would you have had

507
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:37.280
to have done so bad that they
would force you into retirement? He became

508
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:45.840
honest. Honest or his face of
the company was jeopardized by the dirty deeds

509
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:47.719
of the company, and he was
the flaw guy for that. But his

510
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.679
brother just took over, so I
don't understand why he was forced to retire

511
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.119
if brother Carl's just going to pick
up where he left off. This particular

512
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.480
picture right here was accompanied in an
article where the local grocers were being asked

513
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.960
to explain why food prices in Cleveland
exceeded those of Chicago and Los Angeles in

514
00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:15.239
nineteen seventy six, and John Fazzio
is actually he was an interviewee in regards

515
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:19.800
to this mess, but isn't later
charged with these crimes until in the eighties,

516
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.960
which really cracks me up. So
who else but the person who's talking

517
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:29.440
about price fixing or was doing price
fixing ends up being the interview for the

518
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:37.679
plane dealer. He is right,
watch us go here, because it gets

519
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:43.199
better. Here he is with one
of the Society National bank representatives, where

520
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:50.639
they are portraying the bank representative as
a shopper, while mister Fazzio is actually

521
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:54.039
showing how they're using electronic machines to
check out, and their intentions at this

522
00:44:54.199 --> 00:45:00.320
point is to they want to They're
planning a partnership that would add limited banking

523
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.960
services to dozen of Fasio supermarkets later
that year. That's in nineteen seventy eight.

524
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.960
I don't remember when we got like
Wells Fargo in our safeways or in

525
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:15.280
our bel airs, or when we
actually had access to banking services inside of

526
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.239
a grocery store, because it certainly
wasn't in nineteen seventy eight. That's a

527
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.400
lot of money, a lot of
big connections, a lot of things that

528
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:27.559
are going on in mylogy, the
wire services so much. Yeah. So

529
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:30.320
it says a non compete clause barred
him from opening more grocery stores in the

530
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:34.679
Cleveland area for several years, but
later he and wife Terry, a former

531
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:38.639
Fisher Foods personnel director, opened Jokes, a food and drug store in Willowick

532
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:43.639
in nineteen eighty two. The comp
continued running it after moving to Dallas.

533
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:49.320
In the nineteen eighties, John and
Terry opened three deep discount stores that were

534
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:53.719
the forerunners of Sam's Club in Costco. You guys like that. Yeah.

535
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:59.119
He remained active in that business until
two thousand, when he retired at age

536
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:07.000
eighty. Let's see over that.
So here's another stopping shop and grand opening

537
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:10.280
and the huge press that it's receiving. Here's one of his first indictments,

538
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:15.400
Fisher's California chain, which at forty
six stores, was still relatively small,

539
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:21.320
was fined five thousand in Los Angeles
for fifteen charges of false advertising and one

540
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.159
charge of mislabeling in July nineteen seventy
seven. Fisher pleaded no contest, claiming

541
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:30.360
that the infractions all stemmed from oversights, not deliberate deception. Okay. This,

542
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:34.440
however, would not be the last
time the grocery chain and its officials

543
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:38.000
would be brought to court for charges
such as these. Let's see it managed

544
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:44.960
from grand opening second infraction. In
the fall of nineteen eighty one, price

545
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:49.519
fixing charges were brought against Fisher,
contending that the company collaborated with First National

546
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.400
Supermarkets, Inc. Parent of Pick
and Pay stores, and the Association of

547
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:58.800
Stop and Shop stores to price goods
below costs and thereby force others out of

548
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:04.679
business. Company was slapped with a
five multimillion dollar lawsuits from individuals and companies.

549
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:09.840
Later that same year, a second
antitrust suit was brought against Fisher and

550
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:15.639
others by two nursing homes and a
restaurant for fixing wholesale prices. Both cases

551
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:20.000
enumerated infractions in the late nineteen seventies. The first case resulted in the largest

552
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.639
consumer class action settlement of a price
fixing case in US history. One million

553
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:30.079
households in seven Northeast Ohio counties received
twenty dollars in grocery coupons. John Fazio,

554
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:35.039
who was president and CEO Fisher Foods
when the violations occurred, was sentenced

555
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.960
to five years of probation beginning in
nineteen eighty two, but his sentence was

556
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:45.719
commuted in nineteen eighty four. That's
mob, I Reagan. Yeah, I'm

557
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:50.760
hearing a lot. I mean,
he's he had great speech writers, and

558
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:57.719
he had some great time bariers.
But something's wrong because I'm hearing a lot

559
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.239
of bad things about Reagan. Well, they did say, let me see

560
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:07.119
real quick if I can get this
out, he says his Janie Basio said

561
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.280
she remembers that when she there were
long lines at her father's favorite Italian restaurant,

562
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:15.440
a major d would appear and usher
the family past waiting customers to a

563
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.480
special table. She said, I'm
thinking my dad is a king. Mob

564
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.760
All right, guys, we are
down to the last few seconds. I

565
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.920
need to say goodbye to everybody.
We will pick this up where we left

566
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:34.920
off next week and continue on with
these solves from Harriet. Thank you so

567
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:39.880
much Nolan and Harriet being here next
week. Have a great weekend. Yes,

568
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:44.119
stay safe, let's not get killed
by the c I A okay,

569
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:54.719
I just yes, Okay. If
it's not, I'll check with one and

570
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.440
i'll let you guys know. I'm
gonna have to do some pre records anyways,

571
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:00.920
everybody, have a great weekend.
We'll you soon. Hey, thank you.