April 10, 2026

Did the Zodiac Killer Write Anthrax Letters? Part 2

Did the Zodiac Killer Write Anthrax Letters? Part 2
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Kicking off the question is a pattern of proximity to Texas with Humble, Greendale, and Bush International airport as we discuss the forensics and examination of the final communications of the Zodiac Killer from 2001 – 2005. From handwriting and spacing to the folding of the paper and choice of pens used to create them, we see significant agreements in execution that leads me to believe the answer is yes…

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Good morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome to the show today. Nolan del Campo,

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Good morning, everybody, Good morning, and Lindsay mcbraer, Good morning.

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She must be muted, I see you. Okay, Well, we're

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just hopping right in. I didn't really actually do any research,

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research or laundry, or I didn't see any YouTube comments.

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So we're just gonna jump right back in where we

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left off on the presentation last week. We are going

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over the anthrax letters and the consistencies and coincidences between

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other communications that makes it appear as though these were

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all written by one person. In the presentation we have

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we don't have that up. Well, I'm hoping. Oh, there

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we go. Okay, So basically last week we left off

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pretty much around this particular area where I was showing

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that the return address on the anthrax letters stated a

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fourth grader at a Greendale school, which again was mentioned

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by Harriet Souche as being a school out of Canada.

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I did not find that information, but we did talk

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about the consistencies with what was going on in Texas,

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which is where Jack is from. So when we looked

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at the actual return address being from a fourth grader,

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I did a cross comparison to another letter that I

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believe was also written or should I say cut and pasted,

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much like the black Dahlia letters to Tim Miller and

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his daughter who was killed in nineteen eighty four, and

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he indicated that superfudge works. Well, well, we know that

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the zodiac likes rhymes and riddles, so I went to

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town researching what I could on superfudge. I found two

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things that it applied to. One would be oil, which

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we know Bush is he's got a madness for. Let's

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just say that he's been involved in all types of

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different oil issues throughout the lat well him and his

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whole family, I'm sure, right through many many decades. So

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I believed that the anthrax was a propaganda in order

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to allow Bush to override Congress's veto to go to war.

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After the Twin Towers were head he was still denied.

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Then we see a perpetration of bio warfare, which is

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what the anthrax letters are. And of course the fourth Grader,

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or should I say, when I looked up Superfudge, aside

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from it being oil, it also refers to a book

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written about a fourth Grader by Judy Bloom out of

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Humble Texas. Humble Texas is on the outskirts of Bush

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International Airport. And then once I was looking up Humble

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Texas and noticed that it was on the outskirts of

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Bush International Airport, I dropped my eyes down and saw

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the word Greendale, which is also on the outskirts of

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of Bush International Airport. I don't think that's too much

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of a coincidence, do you know? One No, I mean

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I feel like that that was purposely set up in

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the way that it was set up, just to kind

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of identify her point two Bush, especially since we did

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go to war with Iraq right after this particular letter.

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So that's where we left off last week. We also

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saw a connection between Tom Voight. He also received two

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letters from the Zodiac, though he claims they're not from

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the Zodiac. We're going to talk about those later on.

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But we see that in this letter to Tim Miller

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in two thousand and five, which is what I call

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the finale letter. I believe that the author was trying

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to let everyone know all the different crime sprees that

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they may have been involved with, or were privy to,

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or even wrote communications in regards to. And it was

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a return addressed to Tom Humble. And we know that

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in Tom Voight's letters, the Zoe wrote, here's my humble offer,

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and is having communications with Tom Voight during that time frame.

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So we carried this one step further because I also

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followed the footsteps of John Mark Carr on his way out. Basically,

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he was fleeing the United States and he was under

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charges in Sonoma County for pedophilia, and we see him

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hop over to Malaysia. So the next letter we're going

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to actually see, which is a letter that was mailed

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from Malaysia to Reno, Nevada or I'm sorry, we had

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one mailed to the Sun. This is where we left off,

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sorry guys, So one more step after the Senators and

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everybody that he mailed to. He then mailed one to Bocaton,

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Boca Raton, Florida, and we talked about the red flag

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or the false flag death to Israel and a star

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of David being accompanied with this particular letter. So it says,

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a letter addressed Jennifer Lopez, containing the Star of David

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and a bluish powder arrived in the son's mail room

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in the American Media Headquarters. Several people handled the letter

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and Stevens sniffed some of the powder. Who does this?

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Oh wait, wait, why would you sniff anybody? I don't

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know that. That to me is just absolutely insane. On

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September thirtieth, Robert Stevens, sixty three, photo editor at the

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supermarket tabloid The Sun, began going ill on the last

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day of a five day vacation at his daughter's home

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in North Carolina. On October first, at six a m.

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Stevens returned to his home. He spent most of the

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day in bed. On October second, between two and two

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thirty am, Stevens was admitted to the John F. Kennedy

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Hospital emergency Room in Atlantis in Atlantis, Florida, presenting disorientation,

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a high fever, vomiting, an inability to speak. At six am,

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Stephen was placed on a ventilator and then Stevens was

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examined for meningitis by infectious disease specialists Doctor Larry Bush.

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Bush found a high white blood cell count and rod

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shaped basillai. He soon was convinced Stephens had contracted anthrax.

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He then notified the Palm Beach County Health Department, and

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on October third, in the evening, government investigators, including twelve

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investigators from the CDC, some from the Epidemic Intelligence Service,

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began their investigations into Stephens' movements for the last few

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days and potential sources of the anthrax. The hospital ship's

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final fluid samples to state health officials and the CDC,

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so he is pretty bad off at this point. On

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October fourth, the CDC confirmed the anthrax diagnosis. Federal officials

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announced that Stevens was admitted to a hospital on Tuesday

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with non contagious pulmonary anthrax. HHS Secretary Tom Thompson suggested

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Stevens may have contracted anthrax from drinking water from a

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contaminated stream, a medically far fetched theory. Four pm on

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October fifth. Stevens died. Sunday, October seventh, in the afternoon,

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the government sealed the American Media building. In the evening,

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basillis and thrasis spores were found on a computer keyboard

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Stevens used at the offices of the Sun. Anthrax spores

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were detected in the nasal passages of Ernesto Blanco seventy three,

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which was a male supervisor at the SUN. The authorities

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decided to test all employees in the building. On October eighth,

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nine am, one thousand people American media employees or other

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long term visitors underwent nasal swab tests and began taking

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antibiotics from the National Pharmaceutical stockpile. October ninth, American media

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employees underwent blood tests. October tenth, eight PM, officials announced

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that a third American media employee tested positive for exposure

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to anthrax. The CDC laboratories, located in Atlanta, suffered a

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power failure caused by a short circuited cable, which lasted

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until Thursday morning. I don't even know why that was

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pertinent anyways. October eleventh, Stephanie Daily, thirty six, the third

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American media employee to test positive, identified herself and stated

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that she was in good health. October thirteenth, American Media

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stated that the blood test of five more employees, including

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two Acquire employees, tested positive for anthrax antibodies. On October fifteenth,

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or Nesto Blanco was diagnosed with pulmonary anthrax and moved

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to the intensive care unit. The Florida Department of Health

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announced that a minuscule amount of spores were found in

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the Boca Raton Post Office. They were found in a

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small mail sorting area where mail for American Media is handled,

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specifically in the throwback slot of the letter case for

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the American Media route. The room was sealed and cleaned.

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It report on October sixteenth. It is reported that the

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anthrax bacteria sent to NBC is of the same strain

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as that was found in Boca Raton, so obviously this

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is linking the letter to Florida to the se and

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NBC News in New York. On July eleventh, almost three

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years after the attack, decontamination begins on the former America

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Media headquarters building. The decontamination began with filing I'm sorry,

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filling the building with chlorine dioxide for twelve hours, and

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evidently that's a very expensive adventure there. Yes, early tests

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knew it says New York anthrax is the same as

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Florida strains. So again there's another news media coming out

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and saying that it is a match. Go ahead.

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Nolan, Oh, there's a really good book on the whole

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anthrax situation that I actually checked out from the Parmical Library,

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but I read it about four years ago, so I'm

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kind of forgot a lot of what I read it.

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I'm somewhat of an expert, but not now.

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I watched a video I want to say, your name

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was doctor Judy Wood. She does a she does a breakdown.

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So she's a scientist, and she does a breakdown about

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how the buildings fall and the how they're pretty much

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decimated to a dust and how impossible that is to

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have happened, even with planes hitting them. She does a

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great work up on the entire thing. So obviously she

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doesn't believe that this was something that was done by

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the planes. She believes that there was a whole lot

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more to the taking down of these two buildings and

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the building number seven, of course, which was not hit

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by a plane but imploded as well. Yeah, there were

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it's like demolitions basically, right, well, and that's what they

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would do if they were going to demolish a building.

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They drop it so it didn't disturb other buildings around it,

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or at least created the least amount. Yeah, straight down,

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That's just not something you ever see happening with a

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building unless it is rigged to do so. All right,

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So it says over the next two months Stevenson, four

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other people would die after inhaling anthra, and seven others

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would be infected, either by inhaling anthrax or getting it

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on their skin. The lethal spores arrived via a series

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of letters mailed to locations in four states, Florida, New York,

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New Jersey, and Connecticut and Washington, d C. Spreading a

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new wave of panic across the nation, already reeling from

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the terrorist attacks at nine to eleven just weeks earlier.

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The FBI launched an investigation, and by early November had

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found three of the letters containing anthrax spores, including one

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sent to the office offices of Senate Majority leader Tom

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Dashell and Washington d C. In the New York Post

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and NBC in New York City, the public fewer only

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intensified after law enforcement authorities determined that the first group

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of anthrax laced letters had been postmarked from a mailbox

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in New Jersey on September eighteenth, two thousand and one,

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just a week after the nine to eleven attacks. So

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here's where we jump back into looking at some of

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the things from the past, bringing them to the future

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and making those comparisons. So in the Black Dahlia we

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saw the use of a disguised handwriting, which was the

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use of all capital letters. Notice how the first letter

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of each word is actually written larger than the rest.

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That is consistent with someone who does not write in

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caps in full time because they know the proper way

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to capitalize any proper word. And we see that again

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happening in the anthrax. So here we have a similar

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use of capital letters and the larger first letter of

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names and streets and other proper nouns that have been

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capitalized to make that first letter look larger. Ce anthrax

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letters share these characteristics along with formatting and spacing, the

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use of the envelope space and the forward of building

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also to note another felt tip pen. So this just

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seems to be kind of either every serial killing spree

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that I talk about that has a communication. These serial

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killers are all separate, and they all love felt tip pens.

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But I find that very hard to believe.

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Yeah, and the one on the left bottom left, you

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can tell that the person is trying to disguise things, right,

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but all the writing is upright when most of them are.

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The writing from Jack and from Zodiac is slightly slanted.

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Well, and that's and that's kind of another disguise. People

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feel the need to change their slant. They think that's

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changing the slant. Oh, they're not going to think it's

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me because the slant goes the wrong way. No, that

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that is really kind of an old old adage that, yeah,

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we already know that, guys. So if we see a

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change in slant, we can we can also see how

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it switches back and forth. So basically, we have one

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that looks a little more leftward, some that are straight

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up and down. But then you get down here to

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Los Angeles and you see that right hand slant take

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control again. So when you've seen things flip flopping back

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and forth, that's another sign that somebody's attempting to disguise

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their slant. Yes, so I compared again, we have a

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blue felt tip pen ink here. We have felt tip

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pen ink here, felt tip pen ink here. And so

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this goes from anthrax to the two thousand letters to

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another political figure, Vowinovich, who also lost a daughter in

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the middle of a primary election. I mean, all of

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these things just keep wrapping themselves around the same type

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of stuff. So it is sent to political officials, sitting senators, media, NBC, tabloid,

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the Sun, black dall you did this, Zodiac killer did this.

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This felt tip pen notion that I'm talking about is

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just another additive. It's another card in the deck that

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suggests that we are dealing with the same author. And

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then I wanted to take a look, obviously at the

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letter that was sent to the Sun, and this is

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basically what this letter said was, you have been exposed

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to anthrax. I do believe I have a better version

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as we go through. This one was from Getty Images,

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but I do have one that doesn't have that in

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the middle of it, and we'll be able to see

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the forward anthrax. But I automatically started to go to

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Jack's cursive writing, because here we are seeing cursive and

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we didn't see a lot of that in any of

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the other communications. Again, they use all caps or cut

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out letters, or tried to do a strict copybook version

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of printing, which is to attempt to conceal the fine

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and subtle traits that the individual might have in their

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own natural handwriting. So I first I started with the

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letter D. So I went with the exposed because the

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letter D is also something we had in the Sherry

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Joe Bates case where the letter D was a match

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to Jack's handwriting. These are Jack's letter d's over here.

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We can see that the shape of the bowl is

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very consistent. It doesn't close at the top. Well, we

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can see that in most of his letter ds, he

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doesn't actually touch completely back making that connection. And we

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have this slight, stubborn downstroke that stops at the baseline,

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and we can see that also happening in Jack's handwriting

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as well. Now again I looked at the letter P.

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We've got that double stem with the pointed bottom, and

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of course the bull is shaped a little bit differently.

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I also looked at this. Now I've got this paper

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kind of turned so that it is straight across, but

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when you bring it back up straight, it actually has

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a leftward slant. Just like you were talking about No. One. Yeah, yeah, so,

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but you can see where he starts off left but

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then starts heading right again. Now, when I looked at

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the letter H, I was taking note, obviously, because I

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just drug all of Jack's letter h's over here, and

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I could see these upticks that are happening at the

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bottom left stem of the H, which is clearly happening here,

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as well, shape size relation, the crossbar protruding to the right.

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All of these things were very consistent. We see a

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little more structure, not so much the crossing, but the

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structure and shape and slant of the letter H of

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the zodiac is definitely consistent with Jack as well. But

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these were more Again, I feel like in the Zodiac communications,

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he spent a lot more time trying to imitate copybook

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handwriting and dropping any traits that might identify him individually,

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though he wasn't completely successful in that, so we got

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slanted associated. Yet we've got the p's, the h's, the d's.

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Then I went ahead and I looked to some of

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the things that Jack does individually, because I noted that

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these entrance heavy entrance strokes that we see on the

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H and B. I wanted to look into Jack's handwriting

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and see if that's something we can find. And as

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a matter of fact, we do see him using entrance

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strokes on the letter F and also on the letter

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H on the letter ke, so he definitely uses entrance strokes,

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which is not something that everybody does. We looked at

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the letter a's as well. The shapes are relatively familiar.

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This one is a little more consistent with what we

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were seeing out of the Zodiac and Jack, which is

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this double stem left side of the A a little

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bit rounded at the top, and the crossbar that protrudes

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to the right. That again is something.

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Of it.

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Yeah, yeah, so now this one's this one being yeah,

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this one being upright. Now you can see where he

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was trying to manipulate that slant. But we can see

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that those letter a's are all consistent with the style

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shape of as well of the disguised usee of the

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Zodiac and of the known uses of Jack. Then of

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course I wanted to look at let's see here. We

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looked at the letter B because we had this formation

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that wraps itself around this way. We could find that

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happening in Zodiac and the convoy letters. The letter N

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let's see where did did I cover that up? I

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feel like I covered the end up, oh man. So

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basically I was making a comparison to anthrax. But it

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looks like I covered the N up. And that's a

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little depressing right now, because I wonder if I could

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fix that real quick. Let me see, let me go out.

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Move that all right.

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Now from currents, hide presenter and let's share this again. Okay,

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let's see if I can get one to throw that

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presentation back. Thank you one. So basically here I was

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doing a comparison of the letter N in the word anthrax,

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and as it compares to the ends that were written

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by the Zodiac Killer and by Jack, we see that

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curvature of the right arm. So things are looking rather

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consistent there with what we know or have seen out

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of these authors in the past. I looked at see

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you or as the end. I'm looking at the ends

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and of course the ending. What I paid more attention

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to was this first hump that was very angular that

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we see in Jack's because this last hump could can

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look differently on any occasion since it's an ending letter.

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So I got that from the word in from one

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of his letters, and in the word begin over here

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to the left. Again we see the entrance stroke on

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the B, so we know that these entrants are something

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that is within his arsenal. Now this was one of

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the mind blowers is the letter G. So right here

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in this section is the anthrax g's from the envelopes

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and the communications. Quite frankly, but they resemble a number six.

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And this is what right, this is what they determine

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in graphology that makes you good with numbers is when

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your formation of letters or the alphabet look like numbers.

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Then that means you have a you have an affinity

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for numbers. You're good at numbers basically. And we see that,

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and she talked or the graphologists talked about that in

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the assessing of the profile of the anthrax author. But

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when we look back at all of the rest of

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the g's that we've pulled from all these other communications,

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they all share that very same similarity. I mean, look

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at this one up here in the Zodiac Killer and

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compare that, yeah, to any number of these letter g's

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down here. It is just absolutely mind boggling. So we

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have even the letter g's. So now we've covered what.

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It looks like he's going out of his way to

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not make it look like a six. He's got that

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hard cross on the g which one ones.

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Now and actually I meant to remove that because Tim.

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Here's another caveat to Tim's letter. While he received the

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letter in two thousand and five, he turned it over

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to the police department, League City Police Department. He claims

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that inside of a year it went missing. They claim

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to no longer have that letter, and it was only

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a cutout version. He never seen the handwriting version. So

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I've seen two versions. They were both on photobucket at

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the time when they were sent to me by an

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anonymous person, and so Tim had never seen the handwritten version.

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One.

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To me, it looks like somebody attempted to mimic or

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copy the cutouts to a t and created it. I

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don't know who created it. I don't know that it

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is from any anybody other than whoever put it up

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there on the internet. So I'm not making a general

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comparison of those particular letters, just because we don't know

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the source of that. And Tim had never seen that

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letter before. So it's one of two things. Either Tim

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was mailed one version and another version was mailed to

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the police department, and then when they went missing, whoever

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you took them then put them up on photo bucket

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and then it was dispersed to me or we have legitimate,

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you know, separate letters, one done and cutouts and one

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done handwritten. But who did that handwritten one go to?

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We have no idea or no clue. Like I said,

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Tim Miller has no knowledge of any handwritten version of

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the letter that he received, So I'm not really taking

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this into account, even though I can show lots of

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similarities to Jack's. So but again I don't know whose

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it is.

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They don't look natural, I guess, is my.

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Point, right? Yeah, no, not at all. They were definitely copying.

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When I looked back and compared the two versions, they

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were mimicking what they saw on the cutout versions. So

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I started also looking at the folds, because folds have

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been a big thing to me. And we see these

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strange fold marks, lots of fold marks in these letters

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that are happening, and we see it over here as well,

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several different folds, and we even see this diamond shape

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that occurs right here in the center of the page.

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And the way the person folds the paper can also

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identify an author. They used this technique when determining whether

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or not they had received a real Zodiac communication, because

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if it wasn't folded like the Zodiac, then it was

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probably a copycat or somebody trying to mimic. So I

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took us all the way back to Sherry Joe Bates

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on this. We know this was teletype paper that comes

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off of a roll, so that's why it's not a

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full eight and a half by eleven. It is just

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a portion, and we noted all the funky little fold

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marks that occurred in this particular communication, even had flipped

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up corners. I don't know if that was something that

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they did after they received the document or why they

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appear folded up in that particular image, but we look, but.

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We pull it out. They don't want to tear it,

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so it makes maybe easier to extract. I don't know.

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That's just a thought.

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Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I just find it odd.

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And the reason I do is we're going to see

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it again. In fact, I think we no not in

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that one anyways. Again, we look at the multiple folds

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that are occurring in Jack's papers, so we know that

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this one's from Jack and it's got again all these

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multiple folds in it. So then I just wanted to

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do kind of a strict comparison again some of these

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the places and points in which this is actually folded

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actually lines up with Sherry Joe Bates. Oh that's here.

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So here's the Anthrax one. I just found this image recently.

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But look again, the ends are folded. Okay, So yeah,

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I don't know if that's something they're doing or something

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that was done in the process of the fold by

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the actual author. Either way it was it was just

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coincidental that that one showed up. What was not so

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coincidental was this V shape that occurred. I'm not even

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sure how you fold a paper to get that to happen.

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What are you doing, Rigamie, Like, I don't understand at all.

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So I wanted to point that out just because it

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not only came or happened in one of Jack's or letters,

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but actually happened in the Florida Sun letter. Now this

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is where go ahead.

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Just anthraxx. You have to be either a scientist or

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a chemist to make it, or you have to get

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it from some people that have already made it, right.

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I mean, there's you can't. It's just not out there.

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You can't go to a store and buy it.

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Well, my research shows that the Ames strain that we're

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talking about originated in Texas, Okay, found in the ground.

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So it is something that somebody, but being able to

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weaponize it, being able to you know, do something with

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it obviously takes some skill.

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Yeah, because the first I ever heard about air trax

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way before this all this stuff was like Cow's.

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00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:42.799
Would get it right right at.

460
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:47.160
So is it by grazing in land that has that compound.

461
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.559
In the soil or I would think so that, yeah,

462
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:50.079
I would think.

463
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:50.279
So.

464
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:52.640
I want to say that it was Harriet that had

465
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.279
mentioned or talked about the Aime strain originating from Texas

466
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:58.839
and that it was in the ground. This would have

467
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:01.480
been something that I would think that Jack would have known.

468
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.960
My theory is is that Jack has just been turned

469
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.279
into the FBI as the Zodiac Killer, and this was

470
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:10.880
going to give them some busy work. Right. If it

471
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:14.480
wasn't to perpetuate bushes need to go to war, then

472
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.039
maybe it was to throw them off of Jack sent

473
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.960
and make them busy with something else, right. I mean, you.

474
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:23.200
Also had lots of connections and high places and in

475
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:28.599
shady places that that would enable him to have access,

476
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.559
you know, rather than digging through the ground and you know,

477
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:33.880
do it on his own, he can get some ready

478
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:34.559
made stuff.

479
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:37.960
All and all we really know is is that Bruce

480
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:41.599
Ivans and and the other gentleman that was looked at

481
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.839
seriously as a suspect didn't have the ability and the

482
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:53.799
equipment or the space, I would say, to even make

483
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.319
this weaponized version. They would have known it, they would

484
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:59.519
have seen it. The coworker said, So, why Bruce Ivans

485
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:01.880
is being up when they couldn't even find a location

486
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:05.359
where he could possibly have made this stuff or weaponized it.

487
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.000
I really don't understand.

488
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.359
I think part of it, as I remember it might

489
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:12.720
have been he had just like some suspicious co workers

490
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:15.920
that thought he was up to something, where it turns

491
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:17.119
out he wasn't.

492
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.400
Well, they thought he was weird. In general. I think

493
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.599
he was psychologically cuckoo, right, I mean, at least that's

494
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:24.759
what they tried to make him look like afterwards. But

495
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.039
I know that the media is going to say whatever

496
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:29.359
they want to say to instill whatever agenda they want

497
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:30.000
to instill.

498
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:33.079
And then then he went away, whether he killed himself

499
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:34.599
or was suicide.

500
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:39.319
In right away Well, and we see a greeting card

501
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.400
very reminiscent of something the Zodiac would do, saying how

502
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:44.720
do you like the postmark? We'll get to that one,

503
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.279
and it's Princeton, New Jersey. We have the letters that

504
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:50.680
went out to John Walsh saying I moved into New

505
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.880
Jersey and have twenty three new victims. So we've got,

506
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.480
you know, a cross connection there and I can't find

507
00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.720
any unsolved murder spree of twenty three victims in New Jersey.

508
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.079
So to me, it was a play on what was

509
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:07.039
really going on. Possibly, I don't know, Maybe John Walsh

510
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:09.160
wants to share that with us, since he's in with

511
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.200
the FBI and knows about any other unsolved crimes. I'm

512
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.200
sure he would be aware of one that occurred in

513
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:18.519
New Jersey with twenty three victims. If it were true,

514
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.680
that moves us on into the connection with John Mark Carr,

515
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:28.400
Tom boyd, Dbie Cooper, Zodiac. This flag false flag operation

516
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:31.720
to look make it look like Zodiac has left the

517
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:35.799
United States and this is happening in Well two thousand

518
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.079
and two, two thousand and three. But this is the

519
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.240
steps that I believe john Mark Carr took, which was

520
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.160
he left US went to Malaysia. And that's where this

521
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.279
next anthrax letter comes into play. So it says a

522
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:51.599
letter opened in the office of US Senate Majority Leader

523
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:55.039
Tom Dashall had anthrax in it. Between forty and fifty people,

524
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.440
mostly members of staff based in mister Dashel's office across

525
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:03.680
the street from the Capitol Building, are being treated following exposure. Earlier,

526
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:07.599
President Bush warned all Americans about letters coming from unknown senders.

527
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:11.519
American TV network CNN said the contaminated new letters sent

528
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.599
to mister Dashel and another two NBC News anchor Tom

529
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.079
Brokaw in New York both bore a postmark from Trenton,

530
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:22.279
New Jersey and Trenton. We keep seeing Trenton linking back

531
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:26.079
to La Times. That's their address.

532
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:30.279
Yeah, it was a post office in Trenton. Right, it's

533
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.240
actually not I think or mailboxes.

534
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:35.839
I think it was a mailbox, which is also kind

535
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:40.359
of coincidental because the the Christmas card from the Zodiac

536
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.440
contained copies of postal box keys.

537
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:48.519
Okay, one little curious thing on the right where it

538
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:53.359
says after the Taliban teleban, whatever is that the British

539
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:56.279
way of spelling it because Americans spelled with an eye.

540
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:59.839
I don't know what you're referring to. I have a

541
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.440
gotten to that side yet under.

542
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.920
The pictures is that bush and.

543
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.359
Then that says type. The scare has spread around.

544
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:11.119
The world after the Taliban.

545
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:14.000
Okay, let me read it, because I'm not going to

546
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.000
just find the Taliban in the middle of all of that.

547
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:22.359
Let's see sure. Two NBC employees are being treated after

548
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.759
coming into contact with the letter. There have been eleven

549
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:29.240
other cases concerning anthrax sent through the Post in the US,

550
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:32.799
including Robert Stevens, a photo editor at The Sun tabloid

551
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:35.960
and Boca Raton, Florida, died from anthrax on October fifth.

552
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.640
Five More Florida based employees of the Sun's parent company,

553
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:43.640
America Media, Inc. Are being tested for suspected anthrax exposure,

554
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:47.240
and in Nevada, officials said the contents of a letter

555
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:50.640
sent from Malaysia to a branch of Microsoft in Reno

556
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:54.720
had tested positive for anthrax. Mister Dashel said, I'm very

557
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:58.519
disappointed and angered, but I am confident that because we

558
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:01.000
expected something like this to happened, we were able to

559
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:04.960
deal with it as successfully as we did. Because we

560
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.079
expected something like this to happen. Did you just hear

561
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:09.320
the words that I used?

562
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:10.760
Wow?

563
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:16.480
How could we expect something like this to happen? That

564
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:19.760
was a very interesting statement, And I taliban.

565
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.840
Maybe he sensed that George Bush was on into something.

566
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:25.880
I don't know. That's weird.

567
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:28.679
And I still don't see where you see taliban.

568
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:32.320
I'm the right see where the picture is. Was that

569
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.559
is that a microphone in his face? Just to the

570
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:35.800
right of that? Oh?

571
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.239
Oh taliban? Oh, I see what you're saying. So that's

572
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:43.760
to the left. I'm working on the I'm looking on

573
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:52.079
the right side. Yeah, right here after the taliban.

574
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:54.360
So maybe that's the way the British spell it.

575
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.400
I don't know, maybe yeah, yeah, maybe well. And so

576
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:01.719
the other interesting heart is that this letter that comes

577
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:04.599
out of Malaysia is mailed to Reno. We know of

578
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.880
one other time. I believe that the author of these

579
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:11.639
letters mailed to Reno Gazette, which is in the dB

580
00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:15.800
Cooper case. So what is it with Reno in these

581
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:21.480
these serial killers? What what's Reno got going on? Unless

582
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:27.400
this is not just a coincidence. So continuing on, it

583
00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:29.760
says the US government is trying to calm fears of

584
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.440
a public health risk. The key thing for the US

585
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:35.079
people is to be cautious about letters from people that

586
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.760
you do not know, any letters that look suspicious, and

587
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:40.920
take them to the local law enforcement officers, said mister Bush.

588
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.639
In an unusual twist, it has emerged that the wife

589
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.239
of the Son's editor rented an apartment to two of

590
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.920
the hijackers in the September eleventh plane attack. Come on,

591
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:58.880
come on, you can't make this stuff up. And that

592
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:00.360
is not a coincidences?

593
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:01.239
Wow?

594
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.079
But the and and what did he get a letter

595
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:09.320
containing anthrax? Because this individual had inside knowledge that this

596
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:13.880
man's wife had rented the place to to come on, like,

597
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.559
how is this? This is mind boggling, that this is

598
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:20.800
wrapping itself around it. But the FBI has said any

599
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:27.360
link between the attacks and the anthrax scare was purely coincidental. Purely, purely.

600
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.159
I'm sorry. I obviously did not read that little excerpt.

601
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:36.519
So I'm my jaws on the ground right now, just

602
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.159
as much as probably anybody else's is to see that

603
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.199
and then to see the FBI call it purely coincidental.

604
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:47.840
Hospital version comments about we expected this. I think that

605
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:50.840
might be related to the two probes of how to

606
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.960
invokee uh, you know, more authority by the president to

607
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.679
do stuff, and the first one is actor cares them.

608
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:02.960
The second one is come a wild So maybe that's

609
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:06.960
what he was referring to. I don't know, or maybe

610
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.159
he get inside knowledge.

611
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.159
That would be to say that these individuals in Iraq

612
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:14.800
was purposely targeting us to make us go to war

613
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:16.800
with them because they knew they'd get their butt stomped.

614
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:18.519
Does that sound logical?

615
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.239
No? And it wasn't them that were behind it.

616
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.599
I know, I know, I know, But I'm just saying that,

617
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:27.639
if we think about it, logically speaking, you're going to

618
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.159
perpetrate some of the biggest terrorist acts on a country

619
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:32.840
that is known to be able to wipe you off

620
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:38.000
the face of the earth. Yep, does not make any sense. Well,

621
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.519
it goes on to say hospital emergency centers and parts

622
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:42.599
of the US are reported to be busy with people

623
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.760
worried about the scare. Some pharmacies are limiting supplies of

624
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:50.480
ciproflaxen and antibiotic used to treat the disease after an

625
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:55.599
unusually strong demand. US anthrax case has caused concern across

626
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:58.760
the world and encouraged hoasters to make the most of

627
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:04.199
mounting insecurity. In Germany, authorities are testing white powder found

628
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.360
in an envelope sent to Chancellor Gerard Schroeder. In France,

629
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:10.079
hundreds of people were evacuated from offices in a school

630
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:14.840
following the discovery of suspicious letters. In Lithuania, police evacuated

631
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:20.559
the offices of respublica daily newspaper in the capital Vilnius,

632
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.320
after a package was received with the word Jahad or

633
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.599
Holy war scrawled on it. Once again, we're making it

634
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:30.559
look like, you know, pointing fingers at who it might be.

635
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:34.559
In Canada, the Federal Parliament building an Ottawa was partially

636
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.320
closed when a worker developed a rash after handling a

637
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:41.400
package containing powder. And Australia, office workers in the northeastern

638
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:43.880
city of Townsville had to be hosed down in their

639
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:47.119
work clothes following a scare, and buildings in Melbourne were

640
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:50.639
also evacuated. Despite the increased number of alerts, so far,

641
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:55.119
there have been no positive cases of anthrax outside the US. Well,

642
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:58.239
how about the letter from Malaysia mail to Reno like

643
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:03.679
that was outside But whatever, we won't go there. Here's

644
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:07.960
one of my more less than coincidental.

645
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:12.599
What's that the way they wrote Reno, it's cartoonish.

646
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:16.840
That is again you know when you're manipulating your handwriting.

647
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:20.559
But we saw this type of persona that was done

648
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.320
in the Dear Marco letter from the Zodiac. This long dragging,

649
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:28.880
you know, stems beneath the baseline. But yes, this is

650
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.199
a letter from DBI Cooper that was mailed to the Reno,

651
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:36.480
Nevada newspaper. And so this is in nineteen seventy one,

652
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:40.960
and we see that the use of a historic trolley

653
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:44.599
San Francisco cable car stamp is used in the dB

654
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:48.159
Cooper mailings. Majority of the dB Cooper mailings came out

655
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:54.480
of the California area, and it is again mailed to Reno, Nevada,

656
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.400
just as the Malaysia letter is mailed to Reno, but

657
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:02.679
it's mailed to Microsoft. So we look at the letters

658
00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:05.039
that came in from Tom Voight during two thousand and

659
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.800
two and two thousand and three following the anthrax attacks.

660
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:14.199
The Singapore Malaysia stamp is a taxi. Is this a coincidence? Again?

661
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:18.719
I mean very strong ones at that. We also see

662
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:21.199
that the second letter, so this letter purports to be

663
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:25.039
the Zodiac. I'm giving you my DNA, he mentions in

664
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:28.119
the Tim Miller or He mentions in the second letter

665
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:31.039
that is mailed from Thailand that now that you have

666
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:35.960
my ID, basically you have my DNA and my fingerprints.

667
00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:37.800
You know that I'm telling you the truth. Thank you

668
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:41.480
for communicating with me. He's clearly having communications with Tom

669
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:45.440
Voight and Thailand. Happens to be where John Mark Carr

670
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:49.000
lands himself in the police department for John Benet Ramsay

671
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:52.440
and is given that full ride home by Homeland Security,

672
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:56.880
gets back to calor To they send him to La

673
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:01.079
First Extra Item to Boulder, Colorado. He knows a lot

674
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.960
of inside information that made them take him serious, but

675
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.679
turns out that he was in fact excluded on all

676
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:10.119
accounts as the perpetrator of John Benny Ramsay. He's then

677
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:13.599
extradited back to Sonoma County, and of course they've lost

678
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:17.079
his computer with the pedophilia on it, so he's scot

679
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:26.239
free off of all charges. Running amuck Zodia exactly. Zodiac

680
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:28.440
says in his own words that he has one hundred

681
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:31.199
plus all over the state of California and Nevada, so

682
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:36.280
he's claiming more than one hundred victims. I can tell

683
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:40.480
you that in several of his communications, including the Scorpion

684
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:43.599
letters and the Tim Miller letters, he makes each crime

685
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:47.679
spree look as though they are a completely different crime.

686
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:52.880
He does not recognize himself as a whole. He recognizes

687
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:55.719
like he says, I moved into New Jersey with a

688
00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:59.440
new crime spree twenty three victims. But he's not giving

689
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:02.480
you an over number, right. But when he gets into

690
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:07.519
the Tim Miller letter, he got every artifact that you

691
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:11.519
could possibly want to expect that would describe so such

692
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:15.239
as you know, the upside down crosses or the laughing

693
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.480
faces and all of these different little caricatures in this

694
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:23.079
particular communication that kind of ties all of them together

695
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:26.000
for the first time, and that one comes out in

696
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:30.000
two thousand and five. But he also, after I think

697
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:33.360
completing with Tom Voight, didn't get where he probably thought

698
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:35.480
he wanted to, which was to tell his side of

699
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.280
the story and make a million dollars or some mega hit,

700
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.000
as he suggests in these letters. And in two thousand

701
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.760
and five we see him actually mailing out to Tim

702
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:47.199
Miller and he's saying this silent killer with his silence broken,

703
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:51.440
but my identity is still secret understanding who is at

704
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:57.760
fault is key. So we've got Tom Voyd coming back

705
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:01.079
saying those weren't from the Zodiac, that who that was from.

706
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:05.119
So I tend to believe that the Zodiac attempted to

707
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.599
out himself, but he made attempt to make it look

708
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:11.159
like he was out of the country. He used John

709
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:13.760
Mark Carr, I think, to get these letters mailed out

710
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.559
of those countries and back here to the United States,

711
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.000
making it as pure as though the Zodiac had fled

712
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.119
the United States. But we can see clearly by the

713
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:25.559
two thousand and five letter that that is not true.

714
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:28.760
Now this is where we talked a little bit about

715
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.920
some of these earlier, but I just want to read

716
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:34.840
some excerpts from some other letters that kind of, you know,

717
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:39.159
they boggle me. And the one two John Walsh, it

718
00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:42.199
says I have recently moved into New Jersey and began

719
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.559
a new crime spree. I am currently responsible for twenty

720
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:50.000
three unsolved crimes regime from arson to burglary to sabotage,

721
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:54.480
homicide and occasionally everything in between. I got hung up

722
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:59.360
on the word sabotage homicide, the very odd way to

723
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:04.719
state something thing like this, Yes, sabotage would be to

724
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:11.000
imply that you set the person up to die, but

725
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:14.360
possibly made it look like an accident, when in fact

726
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.679
you sabotage the situation. Do I have that straight right?

727
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:22.320
Yeah? Well, also, it's kind of from the inside out sabotage.

728
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.280
It's like playing in a bomb at your own place

729
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:28.920
of work, well right, trying to interfere with the plans

730
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:29.719
of your leaders.

731
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.239
Usually yes, And that's interesting because I did look up

732
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:36.320
the origin of these words, because I've got a couple

733
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:40.599
of them in here. That kind of I throw around. Now.

734
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.199
Up here in Tom voydz letter, it says, now, thanks

735
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:46.039
to the miracle of technology, here we are in communication

736
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.519
for a second time. I appreciate you giving me the

737
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:51.960
information I was looking for. Let me know Tom via

738
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:56.559
your wonderful website, so he's definitely having communications with Tom.

739
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:01.960
Here it indicated that five people died from inhaling anthrax

740
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:04.400
and seventeen others were infected. I know that this only

741
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:06.920
amounts to twenty two, but over here in this letter

742
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:11.119
it was very very close in numbers to say twenty

743
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:14.039
three unsolved crimes and in the New Jersey area. When

744
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:18.400
we know that anthrax took place out of Princeton, New Jersey. Also,

745
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:22.159
the Zodiac made another very odd statement, like he says,

746
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.239
I shall no longer announce to anyone when I commit

747
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.719
my murders. They shall look like routine robberies, killings of anger,

748
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:35.239
and a few fake accidents. Again, routine robberies. That's just

749
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:39.159
not that's not word. That's words that law enforcement might

750
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:42.840
use right to categorize a series of robberies.

751
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:47.039
Quick question, have you compared the Scorpion letter to the

752
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:50.360
Sherry Joe Bates letter? Just from the way it looks

753
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:56.320
and the corposition and the structure, it's.

754
00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:58.719
Very consistent with all of the communications that we've been

755
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:01.519
talking about. Quite frankly, I mean not just Sharry Joe Bates.

756
00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:05.239
Shary Joe Bates really had just those three letters and

757
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.760
they and they just you know, said Baits had to die.

758
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.159
There wasn't a lot there to take from those ones.

759
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:14.480
But as it as it compares to the nineteen eighty

760
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.000
six letters saying I have one hundred plus victims all

761
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:22.000
over Nevada and California, huge consistency. Again, it's also looks

762
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:24.360
to be written with the felt tip pen. Once again,

763
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:29.840
I mean, all of these things in combination. Yeah, but

764
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.239
routine scorpio.

765
00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:35.440
Is a Zodiac side, so it's kind of almost like

766
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.559
a clue scorpion scorpio.

767
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:45.480
Yeah, yeah, pointing in many directions so to confuse the information.

768
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:49.320
But so as as odd as it is to hear

769
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:54.880
them say sabotage, homicide, we see the zodiacs say routine robberies,

770
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:58.320
killings of anger, and a few fake accidents, all kinds

771
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:04.760
of oxymorons, right. So I looked up both of these

772
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:09.119
words for their origin, and the value of simple sabotage

773
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.039
in wartime kept coming back up, And so it says

774
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.480
the United States Office of Strategic Services, which I tend

775
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.039
to believe sometimes Jack could have been part of the

776
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:22.280
OSS before it became the CIA, later renamed the CIA.

777
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:26.199
And remember that in these scorpion letters, he says he's

778
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:31.760
better than even the FBI and CIA codebreakers, so he's yes,

779
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:37.719
discussing this very same notion later renamed the CIA, noted

780
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:41.239
the specific value in committing simple sabotage against the enemy

781
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:46.039
during wartime. Slashing tires, draining fuel tanks, starting fires, starting arguments,

782
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:50.400
acting stupidly, short circuiting electric systems, A brading machine parts

783
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:54.239
will waste materials, manpower, and time. To underline the importance

784
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:57.719
of simple sabotage on a widespread scale, they wrote, widespread

785
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:01.960
practice of simple sabotage will harass and moralized enemy administrators

786
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:06.480
and police. Huh. The OSS was also focused on battle

787
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.360
for hearts and minds during wartime. The very practice of

788
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:13.719
simple sabotage by natives in enemy or occupied territory may

789
00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:17.400
make these individuals identify themselves actively with the United Nations

790
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.360
war effort and encourage them to assist openly in periods

791
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:24.000
of Allied invasion and occupation. Oh, speaking of which, we

792
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:25.920
get the draft coming back.

793
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:31.800
Very hands on, and so is the CIA. They're not

794
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:35.679
meant to be They're meant to be intelligence organizations.

795
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:39.320
And out of the country, and they're only supposed to

796
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.760
operate outside the country. They're not supposed to be operate,

797
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:46.559
but we find that they are. Simple psychology Routine activities

798
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:50.880
theory definitions and examples. Simple psychology Routine activities theory is

799
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:54.199
a criminological framework developed by Cohen and Felson in nineteen

800
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:57.280
seventy nine. It explains that crime happens when three things

801
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.679
come together in time and space. A motivated defender, a

802
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:04.360
suitable target and the absence of a capital capable guardian,

803
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:10.639
so the routine activity theory. Routine activity theory is a

804
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:14.719
law enforcement concept that helps authorities identify potential crime targets

805
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.599
instead of focusing on who might commit time. The theory

806
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:21.119
uses a problem analysis triangle to analyze the potential environment

807
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.920
for a crime to be committed. So again, routine robberies

808
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:34.360
or routine theory is again a law enforcement CIA type propaganda. Anyways,

809
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.000
that pretty much puts us at the end. We've got

810
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.039
just a couple seconds here. If there was anything that

811
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:42.880
you would like to add, I think that that is

812
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.400
all we have for this week. So well, thank you

813
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:48.880
again for being here. This was very interesting, and I

814
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:51.519
hope everybody has a wonderful weekend, and we will see

815
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:52.360
you next Friday.

816
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.079
Yeah. Hopefully we'll get Lindsay involved next week.

817
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:57.239
Yeah. Yeah, I kind of missed out on her. I

818
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:58.360
don't know if she was busy, but.

819
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.440
I bet she's having technical difficulties.

820
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.239
It looks like it. So yeah, definitely. All right, you guys,

821
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:26.280
everybody take care and we'll see you all next Friday.