Oct. 17, 2025

Ramsey Murder Rocks the Nation

Ramsey Murder Rocks the Nation
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As with many communications I received during my examination of the Zodiac Killer writings, an anonymous stranger dropped the Ramsey Ransom note off to me via email, and disappeared. The murder of Jon Benet Ramsey was worldwide news that many media outlets profited from. The media was weaponized against the Ramsey family. Boulder police are mostly to blame for false news leaks and the perpetuation of destroying this family. Why? This is the question of the century...

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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to start by welcoming to the show. Nolan

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del Campo, Good morning everybody. Good morning, fabulous week out there,

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lots of rain, little sunshine. We're ready for fall and winter.

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It looks like, yes, we are. I know that we

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were going to get started here on some research that

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was continued and followed up from the phone numbers that

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were dialed out to Colorado from Jack's phone bill, and

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of course Lindsay had done some stellar research on that

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she was able to actually locate what these numbers went to,

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which I was kind of shocked over. And of course

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we're waiting for her to get on because I did

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not want to start without her.

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There's a box says present, is that her?

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Hey, hey, good day, perfect timing, all right, okay, So

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Lindsey took it upon herself to throw these phone numbers

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into a search system.

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Now, what is this search system that you use?

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Is cyber background checks dot com?

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Cyber background checks dot com? Does that cost money?

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If you want a thorough search, then yeah, but you

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can do a basic search on there for free. But

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I'd pay the monthly whatever fee it is. I think

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it's only like sixty nine or something like that.

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Really, I could probably use something like that, especially with

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the numerous amount of phone numbers that I've gotten here.

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So cyber background checks dot com.

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Huh, I think I could write that off minute?

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Oh I can, Yes, we can. Ha. We do hear

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what she found? I mean, like.

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Literally, I was pretty stoked. I'm very impressed with what

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she got here, all right. So she ran the numbers

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the three oh three four nine four four seven seven four.

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I think that ultimately you determined that what I found

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that was calling in for the accuracy on.

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Time, correct, yep? Okay.

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And then the second number was the three zero three

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six three seven six nine two, And of course I

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did go back and look at Jack's records to notice

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that he also dialed a six one nine one, which

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came up in your search. During the search for this,

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you show that this area code covers Denver, Aurora, Arvada, Westminster,

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and Boulder. And at first I thought to myself, like, wow,

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like Boulder, Colorado, you mean we're we're about ready to

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step into this whole John Bane Ramsey thing, like this

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is a little crazy, but it looks to me like

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it might be wrapping out to something completely different. So

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we're going to cover what it was that she found. So, hello,

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I guess I need to get to my presentation.

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There we go. Now it works all right.

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So you found that these phone numbers led back to

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actual articles and newspapers. Correct, yep, the first one you

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found was bring Big Spring, Harold, and that is an

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article date of May thirty first, nineteen ninety six. While

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some of this writing is just so small, I laughed

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because one of the first things I saw on there

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was actually a cartoon.

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Of I'm not Bob, I'm not Bill campaign ninety six.

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So far it says clearly one is Bill Clinton. Who's

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the other guy? Goal?

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Goal goal?

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Now what were they running for? What was the King

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in ninety Oh okay, yeah, tells you how much I

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like you Clinton, Sam Yah.

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Yeah, And I certainly didn't vote for him, so I

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don't even recall. But yeah, So that was a very

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interesting little article there, and some of the other articles

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that I found, and I'm just going to breathe through them.

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I'm not going to read them.

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A fellow's conviction overturned because he understood his sentence.

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This was a child molester.

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Basically, he had committed some child crimes and he had

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pled guilty, and in his actual sentencing, his attorney read

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to him the sentences that he could possibly receive by

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admitting to this plea of guilty. And then it was

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ultimately overturned and he was released because they said the

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judge didn't read those sentences to him, that his attorney dead,

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and that somehow that was piled play by the court.

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The court should have read it. But either way, he

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got off and he was released, set free.

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Do they try him though they read charge and retri.

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I couldn't, but he was pleading guilty, so there was

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no trial, right.

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But that's the technicality. The judges are supposed to read the.

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Advisor, Okay, but it wasn't for lack of him knowing

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what his potential sentence.

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Obviously, Also, if the DA did not object, the d should.

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Have objected, the judge should have. If it was the judges.

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Judge, Yeah, that was just it was bad lawyering and judging.

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But at the same time, that's harmless error if he understood.

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But as long as you review the word for word

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advisors and they're the same thing, the judge would have read.

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But that's that's what they call it technicality.

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That's a stupid technicality.

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So from what I can tell, and to me, I

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thought to myself, like, honestly, was that something pre planned?

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You know me?

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Yeah, I would think in most jurisdictions, well in California anyway,

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that they would be recharged or retried.

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I just know that so many times in the courtroom

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when an attorney tries to tell the judge what his

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job is or tries to object to something that is

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obviously the judge's job to make make a decision on that,

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judge loves to slam these attorneys and say, hey, that's

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my job. That's why I sit here, that's why I

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get the big money, right right, I'm the gatekeeper. I

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get to make those decisions. Blah blah blah. Either way,

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it was just an interesting article. And then we of

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course had this gentleman border he was actually a colonel

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in the military. He supposedly committed suicide over some stupid

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questions in regards to two little bows that he was

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wearing for some service that he had done, and they

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claimed that he wasn't in active battle when he was

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in fact on a ship, because I believe he was Navy.

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Either way, it's a very suspicious death surrounding this guy

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supposedly committing suicide as a colonel in the military because

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somebody questioned whether or not he should be wearing ribbons

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that attributed to him being.

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In active combat.

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I thought that is the most ridiculous reason for suicide

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I've ever heard in my life. Anyways, had to share that, especially.

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If he was deemed to be in combat.

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If he was on ship during the combat, then technically

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he is involved in combat. He may not be like

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pulling a trigger or being exposed to gunfire or weaponry,

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but he's at war at that point.

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Basically, why couldn't those ships be blown up just like

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any other ship? I mean, technically speaking, if you're where

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the freaking war is. You have a potential for being

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blown up, whether you're on land or at sea.

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Yeah, but again back to your point, it seems like

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it's unless it was true. The allegations were true, and

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he got to embarrass so badly that he was trying

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to say something that wasn't true. But from what I'm hearing,

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it was true. So why did you clear yourself over that?

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And what I really picked up from the article, which

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really kind of it just fits in with what I've

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been saying about media weaponizing themselves against people, is that

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it appears as though this was whole this was a

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I gotcha type media project of we're going to defame

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and you know, denounce you and make you look bad.

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But even then, nothing was so bad that somebody would

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want to commit suicide over it. However, we're seeing the

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media actively use weaponizing themselves against individuals, obviously to either

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tarnish their record or to bring them down or to

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do something. And ultimately they claim this guy committed suicide,

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but it possibly could have been suicided, and this is

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just the story or the background that they've put together

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in order to facilitate their narrative. Another article that was

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extremely interesting to me was a murder attempting cartel hierarchy

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shows rules changing around Cali and the bottom line is

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still showing Columbia is the head of cocaine and and cartels,

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and we have people, you know, killing people and taking

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people out and again killing family members, which is going

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to bring us to something else that you've researched, Lindsay

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on the Routier case we're going to be talking about

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here in a few minutes. But aside from that, I

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did find that you your research showed that the ad

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that we're about to talk about that shows that phone

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number that Jack called came out in four different newspapers,

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one in Indiana, one in Kentucky. I know that this

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only includes Port Arthur, Texas, but we clearly see that

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it did run in a newspaper for Big Springs, Texas

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as well, and then Laurel, Mississippi, on the Laurel Leader newspaper.

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None of these did I find consistent with any of

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the other newspapers. Did a little research on the Big Springs.

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It didn't look like it was anything ever owned by Hurst,

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so I was trying to see if there was any

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tie in there as to why or May and we

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see this one on March thirty or yeah, March May

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thirty first, and Jack makes the phone calls on June tenth,

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which is obviously four days after the Rootier escapade and

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at least after the point I can I can think of.

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So what I'm trying to read here is that in

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Indiana it ran the eighth through the fourteenth. That's what

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that's indicating, right, Yeah, no, quick on the.

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Out side, the author of the columnst was Mike Roykok

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and he used to run in the bad Now.

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I don't know if he wrote to the b and

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now syndicated or the beat cart is syndicated column, but

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his column used to run.

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Into be Sacramento Bee Yeah huh, which is also where okay,

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all right, it was just a little yeah, a little

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side note Corbin, Kentucky. It ran May twenty fifth, nineteen

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ninety six through June fifteenth, but it didn't run on

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May twenty ninth and on June second, So it sounds

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to me like they paid for that ad run through

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that entire time. Port Arthur, Texas ran only May thirtieth,

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nineteen ninety six. June sixth and June thirteenth, so only

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three actual runs in Port Arthur, Texas and Laurel, Mississippi,

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ran from June first through June twenty first, but not

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on the second or eighth of June. So we now

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have a place where this phone number appears the Big Herald.

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I kind of did a breakdown just to see where

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it's at. It indicated that it was only circulated within

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the let's see Howard County area of West Texas, which

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is approximately nine hundred square miles. We can see that

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that is literally up over in this direction. Jack is

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down here in the Sageen, Texas area based on the

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mail that we're looking at, which is approximately four hours

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and fifty two minutes away from it, with the closest

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drive to Big Springs, where this actual newspaper could have

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been picked up. So it kind of boggles me how

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Jack came across this newspaper article to begin with, since

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it was so far away.

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Where did the officer Legensy commit suicide in Texas?

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Uh?

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It would have been Big Springs, so it will at least, yeah,

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at least, let's see, Jeremy Borda killed himself with a

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bullet to the chest.

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Now, not many people kill themselves with a bullet to

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the chest.

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I mean.

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Yeah. And there's little mystery as to why he did it.

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The Navy's tap man knew it was likely he would

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soon end his remarkable, remarkable career in embarrassment, shame, or

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even disgrace. How it doesn't even make any sense if

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he was given these ribbons. He was given these ribbons,

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and you have to get given them, right. You don't

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just give them to yourself, right, I hope so. But

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I'm any ribbons that you bear on your chest has

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been given to you by a superior officer somewhere.

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I thought it worked.

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Let's see the reason. Until a year ago, he had

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worn two tiny ribbons on his chest that indicated he

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had been in combat in Vietnam. Military experts now differ

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as to whether he was entitled to wear these ribbons.

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Some say no because he had not been indirectly involved

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in combat, Others say yes because he served on ships

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that were in the combat zone, and others say maybe

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so it's it's the stupidest thing ever for anybody to

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have willingly committed suicide over I can't make out it is.

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It is coming up in the big Springs, Texas. So

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I'm thinking bored if fifty six was almost certain to

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be it on the media hot seat and wanted to

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stick it to Admiral Borda, maybe those who had an

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axe to grind, jealous colleagues or someone with a grudge.

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So they're looking at it, you know, from very different

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ways as to why this even became a news But

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we know that the newspapers and the media love that

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whole we gotcha moment, whether it's true or not. Newsweek

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climbed on board. I see like all kinds of it

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says it was too juicy of a story for today's

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gotcha journalists to resist a man of prominence and achievement. Ah,

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but with a hidden and embarrassing secret and flaw makes

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no sense to me.

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Anyways.

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They trying to make it exciting, right, so they could

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be talking about somebody from a different area.

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But it ran in the Big Springs.

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Issue, needless to say, like we were saying, this article,

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or at least this particular newspaper was approximately three hundred

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and thirty one miles away from Jack And in the

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classified section, lindsay you found.

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Tell us about this one. Ah.

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So so when I searched.

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When I first searched it up, I was like, I

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found like the several newspapers, but only certain ones as

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you stated. And then whenever, the first thing that caught

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my eye was the word secret, and I was like, wait,

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is this the number?

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Is this number under this?

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Because it had, you know, it pulls the number that

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I searched, and it highlights it, so like my eye

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immediately went there to secret, and I was like secret,

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secret banking, secret banking systems, Oh my god.

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And then I just was like stuck in that little.

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Rabbit hole for like a couple of hours or so,

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and I just started jotting every single thing down, like

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the dates that.

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That this particular AD ran.

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And then, as you can see, with something odd about it,

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I thought was like, it's a twenty four hour recorded

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line with a pre recorded message reveals whatever you need

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to get this four thousand dollars to open this new

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bank account, to.

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Make this four thousand dollars.

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I guess, uh, they're trying to get you to open

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a bank account.

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It makes it sound to me it's okay. So the

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ad read secret banking systems, open bank accounts, make four

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thousand a day amazing twenty four hour free recorded message

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reveals details and it has two numbers, and both of

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these numbers can be found on Jack's bill. I took

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that to mean that they're asking people to assist in

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opening bank accounts for others. I mean, how many bank

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accounts does somebody need?

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I think this is nobody's going to reply to that.

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I think it was a contact number for Jack.

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Yeah, I definitely thought it was a code.

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We were definitely definitely thinking in that direction because it's

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like I used to tell my dad, My dad was

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a huge get me on for all of these oh

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make thirty two thousand dollars a month doing blah blah blah.

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I'm like, Dad, if that were possible, wouldn't everybody do it?

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Nobody be working anymore, We'd all just hop into that bandwagon.

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We'd all make it happen. So, either this makes Jack

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look like less than the intelligent individual for reaching out

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to these individuals to make four thousand dollars a day.

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Oh, there's more.

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To this particular and it is listed in the classified

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its unless I remind you, we just got done talking

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about the fact that the cartel and the mafia and

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all of these people in the syndicate still exist in

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nineteen ninety six, and that the CIA and all of

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these other individuals actually used the classified newspapers to give

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messages back and forth. And we've actually seen that occur

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in the Zodiac case right where they're talking from the

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Oh gosh, I forgot the zodiac sign that was on it,

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but they were talking to the Zodiac in regards to

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other people, the masters and so forth in I believe

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this group of individuals. But yes, this was a very

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interesting fine, lindsay.

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So I went ahead and I mapped that out.

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Port Arthur, Texas would have been another likely place because

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it's in Texas that Jack could have received it. So

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I ran those distances and literally from where Jack was

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at this is Port Arthur is three hours and thirty

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seven minutes away and two hundred and fifty miles if

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you drove straight through Highway ten all the way to

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Port Arthur, which really lines up against the border of Atlanta, Georgia, basically,

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which I've discussed before, the path that Jack would take

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was Highway ten in most cases. So I did one

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more search and I looked at it in relation to

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League City in Galveston, It's approximately an hour and twenty

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eight minutes away from League City in Galveston, so much

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closer obviously that the other location, but very far out

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there for Jack to have driven to have received, picked

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up or or you know, gotten this particular newspaper. And

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of course Port Arthur was a completely different newspaper it was. Oh,

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it didn't say which one. It just said Port Arthur, Texas.

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So it didn't actually say what the newspaper was that

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ran it, so I couldn't check on that one either way.

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Very very interesting. Now this is the law of leader.

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This one ran in miss Missippi, so it clearly has.

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And so was this a reach out to four different

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members of the group.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking, to tell you.

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That we're let them know and they would be able

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to decode. I mean, clearly Jack was a man of

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decoding if that message was received on the other end.

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So I went back and I looked to see how

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long Jack had actually spent on these particular phone calls.

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I want to say that on the let's see here.

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Come on, Okay, Nope, that's time.

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I think you passed it, you do, I saw it.

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I think it was back further because it was June.

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Oh huh, you're right, yeah, yeah, see yeah, that's nineteen

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ninety five, ninety six, February YouTube there, No, that's cable bills.

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Nothing there, okay, right here. So on June tenth, there

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was three phone calls placed, and that means that he

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had to have gotten it from an at well, he

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either picked that newspaper up from somebody else that had

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sent it on to him after that date, because I

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don't believe that the dates actually coincide with the Texas runs,

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but we don't know when Big Springs actually ran it.

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So he spent one minute on the phone message with

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sixty one nine one, So why turn around and called

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sixty one nine two. I would assume that they put

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two phone numbers in there if it were to be

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to compensate for several phone callers, right, if one was busy,

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you could.

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Call at that kind of thing.

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Yeah, So he did one minute at then sixty one

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nine one number. Then he did the six one ninety

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two and spent two minutes on it, and then he

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turned around and he called back. And this all happened

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between ten twenty six and eleven thirty pm on the tenth,

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So we did two minutes, and then he called back

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and spent another minute on the six one number. Why

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so many times if you got the information that you needed.

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Again, writ it down. It wasn't what it was supposed

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to what it purported to be. That's my take.

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Anyway, Yeah, say that again.

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It was what the ad wasn't what it was purported

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to be.

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It was something else, and he was supposed to call

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it and get certain information, and he did.

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He did. He certainly he had to call both numbers.

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Yeah, yeah, even though that says or that may be

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an indication you need to call both to get exactly

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what it is that you need to get from it.

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Who knows? Yeah, code too, well, you know what.

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And let's err on the side of you know, Devil's

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advocate and say this was just a scam. Does that

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mean that we've been being scammed by people for a very.

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Long time, ever forever?

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And I saw even more things that looked like scams

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inside that newspaper as I was reading the classifieds.

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I did actually.

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Download and print out the entire newspaper from Big Springs.

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So well that brings us to Oh and by the way,

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I did look up the dancing at relies. I do

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not know why that girl even put out there that

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I should even.

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Look at that.

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That literally was some type of ridiculousness where five people

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from out of the country had been temporarily held as

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being suspicious but were then released because they had nothing

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to do with the nine to eleven attacks. But then

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this conspiracy theory or the story came about about how

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they were dancing to the success of the nine to

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eleven events, which turned out to be completely false and untrue.

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But you know, it's got to run its realm with

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everybody as far as conspiracies are concerned. So there was

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really nothing to take off of that. And I don't

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know why that person referred me to even look at that.

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That was the stupidest thing I ever read.

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Ah Well, because Israel had they think that had a

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partake into into the nine to eleven well.

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They want to try and say that that's where she

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got it from. Well but even then, so these people

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have been found to be innocent released. They were just tourists, right,

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They probably went back home, no big deal. Whatever they

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were doing probably had nothing to do with the nine

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to eleven events at all, Otherwise they wouldn't have been

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released and sent home. I mean I did watch that movie,

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like I said, where they held that one guy they

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that they thought had some information, not that he was

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part of but he had some information, and he was

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what held seven years in Guantanamo being tortured and beaten

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and sleep deprived and music blurring at him and all

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these things that we see on the Ozark Netflix series.

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So if they would, they would have done that to

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these five, if they thought literally there was anything that

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they had to offer.

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Brown.

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Ah, that is crazy funny now what you led me to. However, Lindsay,

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on the other hand, literally bought up my entire morning

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this morning, because none of what we're about to share

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right now was even in my presentation until this morning.

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I thought I might as well take a look at

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this Darly Routier stuff and see what's going on. And

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I think that I vaguely remember back in whatever time frame,

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it was the sprain of the Silly String and everybody

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jumping on board against this woman who purportedly was appearing

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to have too much fun after her children had died.

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I don't know about you, but I've been to several

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celebrations of life where we literally partied, had a great time,

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shared stories, laughed and giggled, and it was over the

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death of somebody like this is.

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And this was actually for his birthday because yeah, and

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that was like one of his favorite things to do

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at his parties with the silly string. So I mean,

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and if it was a celebration of life, like I

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mean in Mexico, that's.

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What they do at memorials.

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It they literally feast and spend time with each other

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and it's like a party, right and nobody.

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I mean, there's a funeral, there's a way, there's but

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the celebrates their life's of the person and the way

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they live their life.

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And they wouldn't want to work.

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Right, And a birthday, a birthday is just that, a

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celebration of life.

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So and all the invitations and stuff had already went

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out for his party for that day, so they wanted

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to let the people that were invited to his party

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originally come to the grave site and literally celebrate in

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part and do like a little party for him.

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And I know, in the middle of some of my

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grief over people having passed, I've had my moments of laughter,

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giggles and otherwise, And it seems to be some way

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for solace or to you know, alleviate some of that

472
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paid and grief that's going on in your heart to

473
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:04.720
give you a moment of positivity. And it is not

474
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.400
a bad thing by any means. So I wanted to

475
00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.680
talk about Darley Rutier because I am more interested in

476
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:14.720
her husband now than I thought I ever could be too.

477
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:17.759
WHOA, Okay, I'm glad you said that.

478
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.440
So she's basically sentenced to death for the murder of

479
00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:25.599
one son and has not actually been to trial for

480
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:29.720
the second son at this point, which really makes no sense. Basically,

481
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:32.279
they she claimed to have fallen asleep on the couch

482
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:35.880
and the kids had done a sleepover with her downstairs.

483
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:39.160
Her husband and the youngest child were upstairs. This all

484
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:42.759
really kind of sounds really familiar to some of the

485
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.079
cases that we've talked about where others were in the

486
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:47.640
house and claim to have not heard a thing while

487
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:50.720
somebody was being murdered. So we know that this is

488
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:54.279
possible because it's happened more than once throughout our presentation.

489
00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:59.400
I'm just a little confused on her injuries, because nowhere

490
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.640
could I find that she said she engaged this particular

491
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:06.240
intruder or fought with him. So I'm a little discombobulated

492
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:08.279
on that, but hopefully you can enlighten me, because, like

493
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.640
I said, I haven't had a lot of time. They

494
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.839
are appealing again and they're running DNA tests since in

495
00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:17.160
twenty eighteen, I did not find any information in regards

496
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:20.000
to the completion of these tests or what they surmised.

497
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:21.839
We know that they're wondo.

498
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.279
It and how that just blows me.

499
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:30.400
We're solving crimes like DeAngelo and you know, as of

500
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.839
recently some more based on DNA and it's taking how

501
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:36.640
long since twenty eighteen to get these DNA tests done.

502
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:37.960
This is a little.

503
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.400
Disgusting as far as I'm concerned. This test should have

504
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:45.519
been ran immediately. If this woman is innocent, she doesn't

505
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:50.480
belong spending another day in prison, just like Peter Wilson. Now,

506
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.000
from what I can grab from the scene is that

507
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.960
they indicated there was a thumbprint on an end table

508
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:58.720
that did not match any of the family members. However,

509
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:06.319
one forensic technician had indicated that he could not exclude

510
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:11.319
the ring finger of Darlee as being the print that

511
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:14.200
was there. Now, not being able to rule somebody out

512
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.279
is different than being able to make an identification, and

513
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.960
this kind of lousy forensic testifying that we saw in

514
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.039
Peter Wilson case is really what I'm reading has gone

515
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:28.039
down in this particular case as well. So basically, on

516
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:30.519
June sixth of nineteen sixty six, she goes to sleep

517
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.599
at two thirty one in the morning, she's dialing nine

518
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.640
to one one. She happens to be the one that

519
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:37.119
calls the police. I don't know if I could literally

520
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:39.440
commit a crime such as that and then turn around

521
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:42.599
and call the police. But some of the evidence that's

522
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:45.279
is really disturbing me, as this sock with blood on

523
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:47.359
it that is a match to the blood from the

524
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:50.599
family that was found seventy five yards outside of the house,

525
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:53.279
and it is indicated there's no possible way for her

526
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:55.799
to have left the scene of the crime while on

527
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:59.039
the phone with the impending death of the second son,

528
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:02.680
who purported only would have lasted eight minutes bleeding out

529
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.839
in the manner in which he was stabbed, and she

530
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.720
was on the phone with nine to one one for

531
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:09.200
six of those minutes, so that would have left her

532
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:12.440
two minutes to literally jog two hundred and twenty five

533
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.039
feet down the road, drop a soft drog back two

534
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:17.519
hundred and twenty five feet and then they claimed she

535
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:20.279
cleaned herself up at the kitchen sink.

536
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:21.559
Did she really?

537
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.519
I'm really trying, I'm trying to suck all this down,

538
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:26.000
but I'm having a hard time.

539
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.319
What did you look at the photos of the sink,

540
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:31.920
It clearly does not look like she was cleaning up.

541
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:35.880
It clearly looks like she was in there, like trying

542
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.799
to get away or trying to get some towels for

543
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:42.319
the boys to cover their wounds, because apparently she had

544
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.119
some dish rags in there and that's what she would

545
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:47.559
win in there for. And then if you look at

546
00:30:47.559 --> 00:30:50.240
the same photo of the sink, it literally looks like

547
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:54.079
she was searching for something. So it's clear go here, Yeah,

548
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:57.160
she was going over there to get some dish towels

549
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:01.200
to cover up the wounds and try to, you know,

550
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:03.759
do whatever she can for the boys while.

551
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:05.359
Weapon.

552
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.839
Yeah, so let me oh, let me oh, where am

553
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:10.240
I going?

554
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:11.240
All right?

555
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.240
So evidently this is a butcher knife, or this is

556
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.359
a knife from the butcher bocket. Looks like a bread

557
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.680
knife basically to me that was used for this the

558
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.640
blood And you can see this schematic up over here

559
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:27.920
that is describing the blood from red is supposed to

560
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:31.519
be damon, so that is here, and we have blood

561
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:36.720
over here, Darlee, we have blood pretty much all over

562
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:41.319
the place. I mean, here's the kitchen, here's the utility room.

563
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:43.720
But she did indication she felt that the intruder had

564
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:48.960
left out the utility room and that this her blood

565
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.720
being found here probably would be explainable if she had

566
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.640
chased after this individual and then DeVaughn in Yellow was

567
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.039
literally kind of just isolated to this one spot. So

568
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:03.519
that would almost indicate if this blood of this individual

569
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.200
is being tracked all over the place, is either being

570
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:09.680
tracked by the assailant or literally is being ran around

571
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:14.039
the entire house. And her blood is pretty much everywhere,

572
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.559
back and forth. But as you said, if she's going

573
00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:19.440
to the kitchen and grabbing, you know, towels and making

574
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.000
her way back over to the boys, that would explain

575
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:25.640
how her blood then ends up in these locations as well.

576
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.160
It is a horrendous crime scene. I mean, look at

577
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:31.920
this house. Though it's a very affluent. Go ahead, Nolan.

578
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:35.240
A couple of questions, was the knife from inside the

579
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:36.119
house was her?

580
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:36.599
Yes?

581
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:39.880
Okay? And where was the father?

582
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:43.440
And all this upstairs supposedly asleep with the infant not

583
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:46.279
woke into anything until his wife screams for him.

584
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.640
At the end, yep with there was a third child,

585
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.000
then a younger child, yes, a seven month old that

586
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:59.960
was upstairs with him. Apparently he was being.

587
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:05.799
Evidently she had awoken, I think, to hearing one of

588
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:09.160
the children's scream, but that doesn't tell me when she

589
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.759
was stabbed versus them. Again, we were not getting really

590
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.480
kind of a clear story of what transpired.

591
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:16.160
She made it.

592
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:18.799
So she woke up to a scream, found both of

593
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:20.720
them stabbed, and I would assume at that point that

594
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.799
she was also injured herself or stabbed.

595
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:28.880
Yeah, why when she woke up, she was already stabbed.

596
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:34.240
So a lot of people think, including her stepsister who

597
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.640
is on her side and trying to get her out

598
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:41.119
because of this, because they don't think obviously she did it.

599
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:45.960
They think that she was in some type of psychosis, uh,

600
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:51.039
maybe passed out and she remember And so the bits

601
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:53.519
and pieces that she does remember that she has reported

602
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:57.119
it doesn't make sense because it's different pieces. Because as

603
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:01.359
we know, our brain is is it actually is used

604
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:05.119
as a defense mechanism in our brains to protect us

605
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.440
from certain things. And I know it sounds crazy, but

606
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.320
that's literally how the brain works. So they could possibly

607
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:15.079
cause some type of psychosis where it's trying to protect you.

608
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:18.119
From things that it doesn't want you to remember. If

609
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:21.280
that makes sense, you can look it up.

610
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:22.880
I don't know if you are familiar with that, but

611
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:26.480
it is definitely a sign. It is definitely a scientific

612
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.639
thing that can just has captain in many cases.

613
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.599
So watching her, I was just watching I was just

614
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:37.000
watching a reality show not too long ago, in which

615
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.320
case one of the individuals had been woken up by

616
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.000
their significant other and of course he went to bed

617
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:44.519
kind of inebriated. So if she's on any type of

618
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:48.280
drugs for postpartum depression or anything else that could have

619
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.599
inebriated her to a certain degree, he gets woken up

620
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:54.079
and literally for the first five to six minutes, he

621
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:57.440
is so out there. He asked the same question seven times,

622
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:02.199
like his brain could not click and come and like

623
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.400
rationalize what was occurring at that very moment. So for

624
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.840
her to have woken up in that state, but would

625
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.000
also somebody wake up after being stabbed, She says she

626
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:16.519
was woken up by the screen of the sun versus

627
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:20.239
you know, would you wake up to your body being

628
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:21.800
slashed and stabbed like?

629
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:21.960
That?

630
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:24.920
Was the dad of her suspect.

631
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:29.199
No, evidently, which is very interesting. So he evidently when

632
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:33.519
they met, was a seventeen year old assistant manager at

633
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:37.840
some joint that eventually grew really fast into great degrees

634
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:39.920
of wealth. You can see this house here, it's a

635
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.960
gorgeous house. The neighborhood absolutely beautiful. The amount of jewelry

636
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.760
she's got sitting just in one location, I'm sure doesn't

637
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:49.760
encompass every single piece she owns, but you can see

638
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:51.599
there's a lot of gold sitting on that counter.

639
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:53.679
Very nice.

640
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:56.480
Actually, he made his he was his self made.

641
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:01.599
I guess I don't know how much he would make

642
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:03.840
it made, but he was a self made what do

643
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.559
you call it, uh.

644
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:08.559
Entrepreneurs, Yeah, entrepreneur.

645
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:13.639
And they made the computer boards what they called.

646
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.960
Ope, you were you were saying that motherboards?

647
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:21.360
Yes, they yes, he created those, that's what they created

648
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:22.400
for in his business.

649
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:25.519
That's extremely and then puts it right up there in

650
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:28.920
the realm of if somebody wants that business, they they.

651
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:29.800
Are able to take it.

652
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.039
Some of the theories and now look, I see this,

653
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:36.440
you know, crime scene again with all this blood everywhere.

654
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:41.239
And one of the theories was that he had or

655
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:45.039
that she They were in financial straits and owed a

656
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.519
lot of money, now to whom we don't know, one

657
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.000
could suspect to the all because that seems to be

658
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:53.800
who you borrowed money from those days, and and and

659
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.800
the taking of children or family members in order to

660
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.559
instill some type of message is something we've definitely seen

661
00:36:59.599 --> 00:36:59.880
them do.

662
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:02.039
But the DA.

663
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:05.880
Actually suspected that this was a financial motivation. She was

664
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:09.920
trying to alleviate herself of expenses of these children. But

665
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.280
why kill the two older ones? They're much cheaper than

666
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:16.679
the younger one, and they only had life insurance policies

667
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:18.920
of ten thousand apiece, which was only going to be

668
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:22.519
enough to literally actually bury them. Turns out the husband

669
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:25.639
had a life insurance policy of eight hundred thousand, So

670
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:28.480
why not kill the husband instead of the kids?

671
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.039
That's yeah, that seems like an odd motive.

672
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:36.039
Yeah, very odd motive. It doesn't make sense, but that's

673
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:40.119
what they wanted to claim. So basically going through this

674
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:44.239
information and putting so fingerprint expert Pat Wurthheim would later

675
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:46.639
testify before in a Pierce Court that he could not

676
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.559
rule out Darley Rutier's right ring finger as the source

677
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:53.920
of the print. But nobody can explain this bloody sock

678
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.199
seventy five yards from the house. I did read additional

679
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.760
information that indicated that the DA sounds to me like

680
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:04.119
another Peter Wilson case where they, you know, withheld information,

681
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.719
they did limited forensics, then they testified badly to those

682
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:13.239
forensics in order to secure a conviction. I've read an

683
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.239
article that now says one of the jurors who had

684
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:20.199
convicted her of being the culprit has now stated that

685
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:24.519
them that them themselves and other jurors have indicated that

686
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:28.159
they decided this case wrongly and that it couldn't have

687
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:29.280
been her that killed them.

688
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.079
I just look at her, let's go back.

689
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:35.760
I just look at her wounds and wonder how anybody

690
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.360
could inflict this type of pain to themselves.

691
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:44.800
She is bruised all over her hands, Yeah, that's understand.

692
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.920
Cut marks, yeah, I mean cut marks up and down

693
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:53.920
her arms. She's got slash marks across her neck and

694
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:57.880
how I'm trying to imagine how she would have done

695
00:38:57.880 --> 00:38:59.960
this one that trailed all the way down her should

696
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:03.360
I would have thought if this was so excruciating once

697
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:09.360
you cut this one initial part, you wouldn't have continued on, yeah, downward.

698
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.000
And this actual gap right here makes me wonder if

699
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:15.920
she wasn't in a laying down position where the shoulder

700
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.519
was then tucked more closely to her opposite side of

701
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:21.719
her neck that she was cut on.

702
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:23.639
And then that's how that.

703
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:27.360
Skip in that cut actually appeared, is because her shoulder

704
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.199
was folding in, because she was truly laying down sleeping.

705
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:33.719
Yeah, if the next one than the other one, that

706
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:35.400
would seem to be a skip and then just the

707
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:37.320
tip of knife caught the shoulder.

708
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:41.559
Right and yeah, And of course they said something like

709
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:45.440
two millimeters away from actually cutting her jugular, so she

710
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:50.239
would would have died, and maybe the culprit did think

711
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.800
that he successfully cut her jugular. Now, there's been some

712
00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:59.000
recent information in which the ex husband he believes her

713
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.400
innocence and had the leader innocence. They divorced in twenty eleven,

714
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:06.920
but new information is revealed that he had wanted to

715
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.360
do an insurance scam and was looking around for individuals

716
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:15.039
to rob the house steal his property that he could

717
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:17.760
then turn around and reclaim from the burglars once it

718
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.159
had occurred, and that this was or may have been

719
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:25.480
the attempt to do so. There's talks about infidelity, there's

720
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.639
talks about financial ruins, there's talks about a bad marriage.

721
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.559
But the bottom line is is that he eventually admitted

722
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.840
to the fact that he was, if not joking about it.

723
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.159
He says he never acted on it, he never actually

724
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.400
paid anybody to do it, but that he was talking

725
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:44.280
with other individuals, including Darley's step dad or something like

726
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:48.119
that in regards to perpetrating this burglary or this robbery

727
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.960
as an insurance scam to get caught up. And Nolan,

728
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.599
what's crazy as all he owed was twenty two thousand dollars.

729
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:54.840
That's nothing.

730
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:55.960
Nothing.

731
00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:00.320
And here's the deal. This guy he was super young, right,

732
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:05.599
I mean he made his money agun. Yeah, and they

733
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:06.079
needed to.

734
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.519
Look at him a lot closer, all his dealings and

735
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:13.519
whatnot before they prosecuted. I think they jump a gun.

736
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.880
I'm not saying, and I'm not you know, but I'm

737
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.559
saying there's a lot of loose ends, shall we say,

738
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:24.159
to just jump like to rush to judgment.

739
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.440
Right, Yeah, So I looked up who is Darren Rudier.

740
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:32.280
Darren and Darley Rudier had met at a restaurant in Lubbock, Texas.

741
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:37.079
You guys, Lubbock is where Jack is from, of all

742
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:41.559
the places in that gigantic state, Lubbock, Texas on the

743
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:44.159
afternoon of Mother's Day in May of nineteen eighty five,

744
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.159
after the latter's mother had set up a meeting between

745
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:51.400
them working at the same eatery where Darren, at just seventeen,

746
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.559
proved to be an ambitious assistant manager. She knew that

747
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:57.360
he'd be a good match for her fifteen year old daughter,

748
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.159
so in nineteen eighty five, they waited till nineteen eighty

749
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.280
eight to get married until she turned eighteen, so he's

750
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.239
literally twenty years old when they get married in nineteen

751
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:11.400
eighty eight. They had their first date that same evening,

752
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:13.960
fell in love became inseparable. In fact, they only waited

753
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:16.280
till August of nineteen eighty eight to get married due

754
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:20.639
to their age. And it says and he was an

755
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:24.039
entrepreneur since he was thirteen years of age, and Darren

756
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:33.400
was doing very well at the time as an assistant manager. Okay, okay, yeah, well,

757
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.880
so then that means that I then map out the

758
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.960
why again does Jack keep these phone bills? If Jack

759
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.800
was notorious for keeping all his receipts, I wouldn't be

760
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:46.880
questioning it. But like my dad, who kept everything, he

761
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.599
had every bill and every receipt all the way back

762
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:53.000
to the Dawn's end of time, he had kept throughout

763
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.239
his entire life, and I had to discard it when.

764
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:56.239
He passed here.

765
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.039
With Jack, he only keeps certain things, and of course

766
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.559
these phone billspen to be two of the things he kept.

767
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:04.320
I thought the Boulder, Colorado stuff was going to relate

768
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:06.440
more to what he was doing with John Benney Ramsay,

769
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.920
but then it turns out to be this whole secret

770
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:13.519
banking system that's going on. So I then map quest

771
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:20.840
where the Rutier's crime occurred in relation to Big Springs

772
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.519
and Port Arthur, and it looks like both of these

773
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.840
areas are about as far away from the Rudiers crime

774
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:32.039
scene as the newspapers that ran are from Jack's house

775
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:37.000
about four hours and fifty two minutes. Literally, this one's

776
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.079
four hours and fifty three from Rolette, Texas to Port Arthur.

777
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.239
I don't know if that makes a succinct triangle or

778
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:44.360
what that's going on.

779
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:46.639
Here, but then Big Springs to.

780
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:51.119
Rolette, Texas is four hours and forty four minutes, so

781
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:55.239
roughly about the same timeframe as it is from Jack's

782
00:43:55.239 --> 00:44:01.800
house to Port Arthur. All right, anybody have anything to

783
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.840
add to that, anything you want to talk about, lindsay

784
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.719
on that case, not on that case personally.

785
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:14.119
But I just finished the I forty five docuseries on Netflix.

786
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:18.760
It's crazy on how many murders in Texas that people

787
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:21.559
got away with. I think several of those murders they

788
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:26.880
end on three different people, and rightly so, but there's way.

789
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:28.679
More that are unsolved that we're solved.

790
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:34.760
Correct And Jack that's his stomping ground too, so and

791
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:37.360
I don't know how close this was I forty five,

792
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.320
but it's Texas still, it's is there one.

793
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:40.639
Of the guys.

794
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.199
Yeah, if you want to get away with the murderer,

795
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:43.679
do it here.

796
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.559
Do it in Texas? Clearly, do it in Texas. Why

797
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:51.800
are range is hundreds of thousands of millions of miles, the.

798
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:56.199
Attitude of the of the of the law enforcement, and

799
00:44:56.239 --> 00:45:00.320
the reluctance to pursue. And then when finally, when Arley

800
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.360
was a younger girl from a good family, then they

801
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:05.599
pursue it.

802
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:06.159
Exactly.

803
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:08.719
It's like a woman who worked in a bar, or

804
00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:13.440
this is that a single bomb? Blah blah blah. They oh,

805
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.199
they brought it on themselves. This was the attitude of

806
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:16.719
the cops.

807
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:17.760
Exactly.

808
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:20.880
It's just, you know, you don't probably one life more

809
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.000
than the other. Your duty is to investigate a homicide.

810
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:27.280
Well, and here's the thing that's the ad homin an argument.

811
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.880
When you can't do anything about with evidence or facts,

812
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.599
you then beat up on the character of the person. Right, Yeah,

813
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:36.599
you have to be little down because you're doing a

814
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.440
lousy job and you can't figure it out.

815
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.280
So now you've got to make it sound as though.

816
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:46.760
Or there's complicity with law enforcement, or maybe some of

817
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.199
the go over its affiliated with law enforcement. We see

818
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:53.400
Dan Angelo Williams law enforcement, and oftentimes people are either

819
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:57.039
affiliated or or are actual law enforcement, and it's weight

820
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:01.440
or or their security guards, their uniformed jack security are

821
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:03.840
a lot of different Thane Caesar.

822
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:05.440
Was a security right.

823
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.679
A lot of times uniformed people get away with more

824
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.880
shit than someone that's in playing.

825
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:17.559
Clothes exactly, and we know that Suspicious too talked about

826
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:20.679
uniforms that were either security guards or cop like which

827
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.719
made the person almost trustable for the individuals who were

828
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:28.559
then victimized by that that particular individualized.

829
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:30.440
And then when they're fleeing crime scenes or whatnot, they're

830
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:31.039
not thought of.

831
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:34.159
As suspects exactly exactly.

832
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.760
Well, So climbing back into Jack, because I really thought

833
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.639
we were going to hit John in a Ramsey this week,

834
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:41.800
but it turns out we are. We had to push

835
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.199
that forward, and I'm not going to be upset by

836
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.719
that by any means, because I really did lose myself

837
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:49.639
down a rabbit hole and that was some great research, Lindsey.

838
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.199
I can't wait to see what we have in store

839
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.239
for John ben a Ramsey. But back to Jack. At

840
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:56.920
this point, we have a couple minutes left. We are

841
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.920
seeing I did not know AARP was around since nineteen

842
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:01.559
ninety six, did anybody else?

843
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:04.760
I really that they were a long term I had

844
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:05.320
no clue.

845
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:08.360
So it's funny to see some of the stuff you

846
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.679
aren't even realizing you know that has been around as

847
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:14.599
an insurance. So every time I see anything on insurance,

848
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.119
I automatically.

849
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.159
Go to unions. I go to mob paid.

850
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:24.039
Protection like I just and these insurance companies were the

851
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:26.159
ones that would like to give loans, right, I mean,

852
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:28.079
that's what they were doing back in these days.

853
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:31.559
I was a member of aar Pizza n eight.

854
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:39.199
But you are I'm old, and we have and we

855
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:42.159
have John Walsh doing ads for them too in the

856
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:43.559
in the two thousands.

857
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:45.559
Oh really, go figure.

858
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.280
Yeah, I have so many thoughts about insurance companies, it's unreal.

859
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.519
Uh So, Anyways, on October sixteenth of nineteen ninety six,

860
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:57.599
AARP forwarded mail from the ten forty seven PO box,

861
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:01.320
which I believe was Jack or Nora's I'm sorry Flova's

862
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:05.559
residence to the Nelda Street address, which is in sagein Texas.

863
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.480
Billion statements for landlines confirmed Nelda Street through at least

864
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:12.559
December of nineteen ninety six, and we see that on

865
00:48:13.719 --> 00:48:16.559
November sixth of nineteen ninety six, Flova gives power of

866
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:19.480
attorney to Jack in Texas, so we know that he

867
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:21.639
is back in Texas at this point in time for

868
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.599
who knows how long I believe, at least until his

869
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:29.320
mother passes, which brings us to November eleventh, nineteen ninety six,

870
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:32.880
when Jack so he gets power of attorney of his

871
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.000
mother on November sixth, and on November eleventh, he takes

872
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:41.400
the entire family to California. That I guess also leads

873
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:47.239
me money, if you know what, possibly, but that leads

874
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:50.119
that leads me to believe once again that yes, in fact,

875
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.239
Flova is in a care home at this point. So

876
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:56.880
we see these are entries out of Nora's diary and

877
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:01.519
it is nineteen ninety six. Stress begins and unfortunately we're

878
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:04.000
down to about our last forty seconds here and we're

879
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.480
going to have to do our sign off. So we're

880
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.199
going to be getting into some of the heart of

881
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.800
the most interesting parts of nineteen ninety six, and that

882
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:13.079
is Christmas of nineteen ninety six, where Jack was and

883
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:15.800
what was going on. I want to thank you again

884
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:18.400
so much, Lindsay for all your research and Nolan for

885
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:20.519
being here. Is there anything you guys would like to

886
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:26.679
say before we head out.

887
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:24.960
For the next one.

888
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.079
All right, everybody, have a wonderful weekend and we'll see

889
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:29.000
you all next Friday.

890
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:41.320
Pepe, thanks