Aug. 22, 2025

John Walsh Scorpion Letters Part 2

John Walsh Scorpion Letters Part 2
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Looking into the letters sent to John Walsh by an unknown author identifying as Scorpion. I have found relation to Zodiac signs associated with the Zodiac Killer cases. Libra, Taurus symbols, and now a link to Scorpio. It sounds like an over disclosure by John Walsh to claim that the FBI says these letters are not from the Zodiac Killer. Let’s see how they compare to all the other communications in this presentation.

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Good Morning, True Seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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To start by welcoming to the show today, Nolan del Campo,

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Good morning, everybody, good good morning. And I did just

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hear from Lindsay. She said yes, I'm coming, So whenever

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she comes in, we'll introduce her into the show. I'm

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just starting with some laundring research, as I do each week,

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and this last week we had a review posted on

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the talk for TV site, which was pleasant. I would

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have to say, although anonymous, I would really love to

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know who wrote it, and so I'm going to read

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this out loud and we'll see if that person is watching,

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recognizes and maybe wants to give me a little more information.

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So the podcast review was a five star and it

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says help, so they titled it help. I have been

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startled and impressed by Jack as a Zodiac killer suspect

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since two thousand and eight, when I first read about

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him after watching the two thousand and five and two

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thousand and seven movies about Zodiac.

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Please help solve it.

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If he's the guy, If he's Zodiac, don't give up

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on getting FBI or police to do DNA tests or

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figure out how to at least investigate Jack Moore so

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he can be positively identified or ruled out. I interviewed

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Robert Ferris, I think is what the person's trying to say.

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But they wrote Robert farr Is and wrote an article

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online destined for Zodiac websites. I didn't think Alan was

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the Zodiac. So the first part of this is them

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indicating that they've watched both the movies, and we know

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in both the movies that they are clearly still trying

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to state that Arthur Lee Allen is the Zodiac as

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of two thousand and seven with the Jake Gillenhall version

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of Zodiac, and we all know that he is absolutely

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not the Zodiac.

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He has been ruled out.

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I want to remind everybody when I was doing the

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Aphrodite Jones segment of True Crimes on the Zodiac. I

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was put on the phone with Harry Phillips from twenty

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on twenty Dennis had called him. He wanted me to

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actually hear what Harry Phillips had to say in regards

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to two thousand DNA testing that was done on eight suspects,

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one of them being Arthur ly Allen, and of course

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he was ruled out in that DNA. But when I

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got on the phone with Harry Phillips, I asked him

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why they didn't test Jack's DNA because we know that

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in two thousand Dennis had provided the two envelopes. SFPD

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was sitting on one of those envelopes. I think it

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took more than a year for them to actually claim

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to have processed it. And then they stated that somebody

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accidentally mixed the DNA from under the stamp and under

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the lip of the envelope and that created two profiles

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without being able to correctly identify one of the profiles

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to separate that they wouldn't know which portion to attribute

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to the DNA of the Zodiac or to compare to

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the Zodiac, which I thought was kind of crappy, because

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even if you have two profiles, there are either going

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to be markers in there that are consistent with the

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DNA from the Zodiac where there is not, And I

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know that that can get a little shady, But how

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many people have the same markers right at the same time.

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I don't know what those statistics are either way. When

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I asked Harry Phillips why he hadn't done Jack's DNA,

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his statement to me was that we knew the other

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eight people were not the Zodiac, and he said that

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in regards to Arthur Lee Allen. So I want everybody

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to realize this. We've got Hollyweird, somebody high up in

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media on twenty on twenty that is stating we knew

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that the other eight were not the Zodiac, and that

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included Arthur Lee Allen. So we do know that despite

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the testing that was done on the envelope incorrectly by

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the SFPD, we also had heard or been told at

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some point in time that the Zodiac DNA samples from

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under the stamps showed multiple donors to that DNA as well,

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And so that really kind of speaks to what Dennis

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had thought, which was that Jack would use this tune

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which he would have other people spit in, and he'd

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used that to actually seal his envelopes and.

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To apply stamps.

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So even if that gross, it's definitely something that we

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expect to see as this combo DNA stuff that's going on.

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It's just another way to elude capture or being able

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to be identified because we've got so many different hands

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in the mix as this group does.

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Oh and now I am extremely excited.

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I'm going to be actually sitting in a graphology presentation,

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which is the psychological behavioral trading on handwriting, and it

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is actually going to be done by a psychologist with

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a doctorate, and it's gonna be on the Anthrax letters.

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I'm so excited to enter.

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I'm gonna have my notepad out quickly taking notes to

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every personality trait that they find in this handwriting and

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then we can see how that compares to Jack and

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the Zodiac.

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So I did also get a.

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Response we talked last week in regard to my name

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is Cipher having been a solve that a Kasmo has gotten.

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He did actually send me a video on how he

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came to this solve. So we have I've blown up

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the url down here so that you can see that

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nice and big with the red line underneath it. You

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can watch that video yourself. I didn't fully understand it,

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but it was interesting to note that he didn't treat

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the Tours symbols like a Tours symbol, while he treated

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the airy symbol like an airy symbol. And I know

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last week we discussed all of the different Zodiac characters

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that or signs that were being slipped in and out

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as potential clues of the Zodiac communications.

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So you can take a look at that.

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He did actually come up with Texarkana phantom, as if

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the Zodiac was trying to tie himself back to Texarkana.

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And we do know that that's something that I believe

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is potentially Jack's work as well. Anything to add there to.

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Nolan, No, I had to get a stool. I was

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standing up. I'm sorry, but No. The conference that you're going.

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To, yeah, yeah, it's a it's an American Handwriting analysis conference,

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and the psychologist is going to be discussing the Anthrax

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letters and the personality.

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Awesome, I'm sure.

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Yeah, I'm extremely excited about that. It'll be by zoom,

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oh zoom.

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Okay, maybe I can join in, or at least you're.

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Gonna you're gonna be it's gonna be right after my podcast,

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You're going to be on your way to court. Okay,

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but I will I will, like I said, I'll take

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heavy notes. I probably will have a recorded video of

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it as well, and see if I can't run some

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of what she has to say on the show.

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So we'll go from that.

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Now. Yeah, it's been a couple of years since I

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read that Definitive Anthrax book.

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Whi's basically says it's still unsolved.

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Of course, it is.

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Disagrees with with with the poor guy that committed suicide.

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What was his name, Yeah, Yeahruid.

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Yeah. The book says no, I mean, he was a suspect,

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but he wasn't.

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A dude exactly.

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It's a good book.

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Well, and to take note, I know that she's going

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to do letters. I'm hoping that she also works on

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the envelopes because I think the envelopes are more representative

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of the author's handwriting because the letters themselves were written

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in all caps, and they attempted to stay as strict

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copy book as possible, of course, in order to deter

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anybody from identifying the handwriting. But they did not maintain

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that level of disguise on the envelopes. So it'll be

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it'll be interesting, and maybe she even has some clearer

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images that I haven't seen before. I just don't know

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what to expect. I'm like Will Ferrell on back to School.

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I don't know. Is it lace? Is it satin?

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Is it something I've never seen before? Well, I had

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Tony Daniellie get back with me in regards to the

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Christmas card. This is what he wanted to add after

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the presentation and our discussion of it. He said the

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card was a secret pal style that Zodiac had sent

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to the Chronicle during his killing spree in nineteen sixty

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eight and sixty nine. Inside the card was a carpenter's

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pencil and US postal keys. Now I hadn't heard about

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the pencil before, but I think he was meaning pencil flashlights.

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So I'm going to go further as we get into

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this state room.

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Who Daniel Dannelli?

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Who Danniellie?

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I just I know that he is somebody that's either

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followed or studied the case.

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He skipped across me.

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Friended me on Facebook, and every now and again he

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gives me a little bit of information that he is

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aware of in regards to the case, and this was

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his additive to the Christmas card, he says. Tom Voyd,

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the man admittedly obsessed with the Zodiac since childhood and

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webmaster of Zodiac killer dot Com, firmly believes a recently

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found nineteen ninety Christmas card postmark from Eureka is authentic.

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I have been told it is without a doubt Zodiac,

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Voight said Saturday. If it's a fake, it's the greatest

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fake I've ever seen. Voight, who greeted a packed house

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at a screening of the new movie Zodiac at the

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Century fourteen in Balao on Thursday, was incensed that the

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correspondence was discredited by Lloyd Cunningham, a forensic document examiner. Now,

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of course I've come up against Lloyd Cunningham, you guys,

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and you all know what I think.

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About how we ti ha.

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Cunningham said in Saturday's San Francisco Chronicle that he believes

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the card was done by a Zodiac imitator. The designer

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of the card was George Shill, a contract artist with

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American Greetings Card Company Corporation for thirty eight years, who

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informed me that all the imagery on the card, including

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the snowman, is exactly as he created it. In other words,

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nothing was added to the card outer by the Zodiac killer. George,

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who retired several years age, remarked I did create the

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card as shown. This correspondence was discovered on March third,

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two thousand and seven, by editorial assistant Daniel King of

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the San Francisco Chronicle among some photo files. The two

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thousand and seven Zodiac movie, directed by David Fincher and

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based on the Robert Gray Smith book, was released in

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the USA the day before this correspondence was unearthed, on

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March second. The movie had its premiere in Los Angeles

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and California on March first. The card inter contained a

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photocopy of two postal keys supported by a magnet keychain

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or pencil flashlight. However, there was no added text on

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the card from its center, but we did have the

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envelope that was filled out, and the envelope is consistent

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with the writing of the Zodiac, the Scorpion letters and

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several other communications that we've looked at. And the timing

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is kind of correct too, because we see all of

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this hustle and bustle to create new communications during ninety

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and ninety one.

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So from the time it was set to the time

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it was made public. Long period was that.

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It was postmarked nineteen ninety and it was supposedly stuff

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somewhere left and forgotten for all of these years, right,

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seventeen years. Wow, because it's two thousand and seven. So

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but I scream, I'm screaming, and this is great. It

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sounds to me like he basically quoted an article or

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a newspaper clipping in regards to this information. My contention

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here is that it's a great.

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Uh media ploy for the movie, right.

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I mean, it's really no different than the Zodiac Watch

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coming out during sixty eight and sixty nine. While the

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Zodiac begins doing his thing. It's a way to sell yes, yeah,

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So was this like, you know, a concerted effort right

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and by and by the.

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San Francisco Chronicle.

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No?

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Less Right, So we're right back into the hands of

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the people who have been making money off of the

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media in this story for oh so long. So I'm

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not going to discredit that they didn't find it in

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two thousand and seven. I just feel like it's awfully

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funny or very coincidental that at that same time. That

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letter happened to be found the day after the release

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of the Jake Gillenhall movie.

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Good morning, Lindsay, Good morning. How are y'all? I've been

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doing well? Thank you? How about yourself?

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Great? Busy?

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Friday?

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Is Friday?

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All over? One court appearance? All ready, one more to go.

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I got I have a the conference, the graphology conference.

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I'm not sure if you missed that, Lindsay, but I'm

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actually going to be sitting in on a graphological reading

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by a psychologist, uh in regards to the anthrax letters.

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So I'm oh, my gosh, shoulder dance. Yeah. Uh So

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we left off last week on the first communication that

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we were sharing with you. In these Scorpion letters, a

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series of taunting threats, it says. I've gone through these

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letters again and I really can't detect the threat to

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John Walsh. I don't see any interest in his son

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in these. But we also I also understand that it

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looks like we're missing at least two communications and pages

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from the communications that we are being publicly shown. And

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once again, the John Walsh of America's Most Wanted who

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is now working in concert with the FBI, didn't want

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the FBI working on his son's case. Thought he could

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do you know this on his own. But I really

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think that was because he didn't want his skeletons being

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popped open by.

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The by the FBI.

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But then turns around and allows the FBI to state

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that these letters are not from the Zodiac. And I'm

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sorry you guys. We're going to read through these and

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I'm telling you, what if this isn't Zodiac, I don't

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know what is.

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Yeah, well, Scorpio is like Scorpio Zodiac.

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Sorry exactly. Yeah, so we talked about Libra.

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What's that that the artist that made the card says,

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that's the original one that he made, so it wasn't

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altered that Jack, if it was, Jack came across. You

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must have liked the little Jack rabbit by the Snowman

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and it was fitting.

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Yeah.

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Well, and the Halloween card was a Jack o' lantern.

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We've got a Christmas card with a Jack rabbit and

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it's saying, yes, dude, you know I'm basically I'm still

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here and think about the pencil flashlight that was included

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in it. Because the Zodiac wrote a letter to the

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FBI basically stating that he had taped a flashlight to

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the barrel of his gun and that was how he

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was able to hit his mark so consistently, And that

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would have been a pencil flashlight. And Dennis said that

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this was an actual thing that Jack did when hunting,

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was tape a pencil flashlight onto his gun. So it's it's.

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All Lake Herman Road for sure. He used that, correct

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and maybe.

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To blind him. Yeah, it's to blind them so they

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can't see him. But he says, if you point. Jack

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told Dennis that once you apply the flashlight to the

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top of the barrel of the gun and you point,

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there's always a dead spot or a black circle in

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the center of the actual light that's coming out of

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the flashlight. And if you point that black circle, where

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is dead space on your target, then it's wherever that

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is pointing at your bullet is going.

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To basically go.

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So he even coached Dennis on how to act accurately

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use a flashlight taped to a gun as a.

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Sight, so it's like a scope almost.

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Basically, Yeah, shoot for the dead center and of the

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flashlight image and where the black spot is and you're, yeah,

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hitting dead you're hitting bullseye, all right, so this letter

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that we were on says.

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I am your worst nightmare coming true.

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My true identity is not known to you yet and

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hopefully will not be for a long time. Your show

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is more exciting, interesting, and factual than any ship falled

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movie or series. I have recently moved into New Jersey

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and began a new crime spree. I am currently responsible

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for twenty three unsolved crimes ranging from arson to burglary,

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to sabotage, homicide and occasional and occasionally everything in between.

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I strongly advise that you keep this letter and start

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a rather large file, since you will be hearing from

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me again. I have enclosed or rather difficultly encoded message

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containing information that will prove rather useful to you. This

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code took a lot of time and effort to develop

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in hopes that it will defeat FBI and CIA codebreakers.

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Anything you wish to tell me or ask me can

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be conveyed to me on your show. Now, I just

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want to mention you guys, is that they say that

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you can't really solve these these ciphers.

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If you don't have the key.

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So the person that the ciphers being sent to really

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doesn't have a chance in hell, if it's one that

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you've made up on your own of solving it unless

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you have the key. So I have to I believe

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that he is also at some point in time, sent

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the key to these individuals in order for them to

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actually work these messages out. Why spend all the time,

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the heartbreaking and time consuming energy to put these ciphers

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together if nobody can ultimately crack them, and did they

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probably say who he was? I don't think that. I

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don't think so either.

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Yes, just at first glance the letter, but similar to

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zodiac letters, the writing, the lants, whatnot.

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And so yeah, it's very consistent with the Christmas card

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envelope and they're both very close in timeframe. If this

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is in fact done in nineteen ninety one, we really

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won't know because they withheld it from us. From us,

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I almost thought that this was something that was done

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in two thousand and one, as I follow up, because

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we know that in two thousand that John Walsh did

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the episode on The America's Most Wanted with I want

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to say it was with Bart Baggett and Tom Voyd

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on the Zodiac case. At the same time, Jack is

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asking for John Walsh's book we have the twenty three

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victims in the Princeton area from the Anthrax mailings. We

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had the postal keys, which I know Harriet claims that

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the codes went back to Princeton, New Jersey. I don't

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know the truth of that, but again, there's just, you know,

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so many people making up stories along with these keys,

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and I think that and I'm not sure what time framed.

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Tom Voit claims to have also researched or investigated these

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postal keys, but he claimed they went back to somebody

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in Eureka. And the card was actually postmarched from Eureka.

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So maybe those postal keys were from Eureka.

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I just don't know.

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Well, and.

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Postcard nineteen ninety year? Was that nineteen ninety.

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Yeah, I was up there in eighty eight working for

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that Indian Legal Service in Eureka.

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Nice living in Arcada, all right, So.

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What were you gonna say?

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He's gonna say the way he wrote scorpion, it looks

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like he went over it a few times to make it,

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you know, bold, So it's and he does the same

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thing like you said on the on the Christmas card

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and on the Halloween card.

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Too, Right, Yeah, I'm not sure what he had going

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on here.

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It's like a felt pin or a sharpie sometimes or

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yeah it is thicker.

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Well, so he says his identity is not known yet,

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no doubt due to the show airing, and it's still

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being an unsolved case. On the Zodiac, we know that

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Jack requested John Walsh's book. It lists crimes which are

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really kind of consistent with the Zodiac saying I'll commit

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my murders. They shall look like routine robbery's killings of

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anger and a few fake accidents, et cetera, which is

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kind of really linguistically close to this line of you

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know what he says here in the Scorpion letters and

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now I've lost it, oh arson, burglary, sabotage, homicide, and

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occasionally everything in between, very similar statements there. The threat

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that there will be more is the only threat that

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I can actually detect in these communications. And the more

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factor is something that the Zodiac has been saying since

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way back in the Lipstick killings in nineteen forty five.

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Now accepting responsibility for crimes in New Jersey, Zodiac sent

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a Christmas card we already talked about that Zodiac was

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known to predict his crimes in the future. This may

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have been employed to say where he was going next

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if he actually if this was actually received in nineteen

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ninety one, or if it was received in two thousand

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and one and it was just discussing what he had done,

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we won't know the actual truth of this matter because

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it was withheld and it again doesn't say anything about

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John Walsh's son. So I'm assuming that this author is

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not contacting John Walsh over his son with these letters.

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He's trying to get story told.

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Oh yeah, good.

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One went to John Walsh though, right this.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I believe that he wanted to give him a heads

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up and let him know, you know, what was going on.

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So when he covered these cases, he knew exactly which

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way to go and which way to which way to

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portray the story?

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Right, Well, it says I put in here the superiority

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complex over the FBI and cias, and to far stretch

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from the superiority complex the Zodiac had on any of

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the other law enforcement during his his crimes. There's a

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typical proof statement, as Jack is so desperate to do

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the splitting of the words in useful and the hyper

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fussy use of rather that we see with Jack and

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the Zodiac. So a lot of the linguistics that oh,

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I got goosebumps just saying that, you guys, Yeah, a

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lot of this stuff is very very reminiscent of Jack

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and Zodiac.

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And we've got the keys.

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So the key has been a huge theme throughout this

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entire psion, leading back to po boxes, which we're going

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to hear more about that in these letters as well.

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So some of the things that I noted in regards

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and this is the cipher that came with that that said, Hi,

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remember me.

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Now.

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If that isn't a solid follow up statement to the

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guess who card for Christmas, I don't know what is.

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He keeps being the same type of taunt.

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So we also have that being said in the Tim

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Miller Hello remember me? In the Atlanta, Georgia Murders, like

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it just continues to occur. These are the same taunting

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writings as the Zodiac.

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And Black Dahlia.

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Jack's Tho Boo page one claims twenty three victims shipfalled

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is an unusual phrasing noted in The Zodiac and Jack,

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whereby he puts two to three words together as a

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single word. The word rather as a phrase that was

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very common in Zodiac writings, hyphenation usage, which is something

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that we've shown over and over again. We have the

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oversized K in comparison to the rest of the Middle

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Zone letters, and that is definitely a defiant letter where

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you know, so psychologically speaking, the person is defined against authority,

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has you know, outbursts and can become probably hostile at

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any minute. We have the unusual spacing in words, that's

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just like Zodiac and Jack he says your worst nightmare,

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referencing to he is going to be killing his true

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identity is not known. That's the Zodiac ploy. Your show

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is more exciting, interesting and factual reference to the show

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of Zodiac. And I think we see that that was

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also typed up in the Patricia House letter that was

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in regards to Sherry Joe Bates way back in the sixties.

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We have crimes ranging from arson to burglary to sabotage.

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Is listing the styles of killings, just like the Zodiac did.

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And he says, start a file you'll be hearing from me,

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And that's something that the Black Doll you said and

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the Zodiac difficulty difficultly encoded message. Zodiac moved into New

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Jersey and began a new crime spree. Reference to wherever

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he goes, it is attributed to a separ a crime.

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So he literally, i think psychologically separates himself from each

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of these crime screes into that particular killer. Yet it

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is still all one person or as we've been starting

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to see the belief that there is a group that's

470
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:18.759
involved and that possibly the author is just reporting whatever

471
00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:21.400
it is that the group is done through their communication.

472
00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:27.240
Yeah, and this may have suspects.

473
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:31.759
This cipher here was it did it accompany the letter?

474
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:38.680
Yes to my knowledge, and it's completely different sets of

475
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:40.200
of symbols.

476
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:41.720
But one of the things.

477
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:43.480
That I would that I was told in regards to

478
00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:45.960
this is this has a lot of Navy flag symbols

479
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.240
in it. This being true, Jack was also in the Navy,

480
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:51.920
so he would know these flags in these symbols and

481
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:52.640
these signs.

482
00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:58.599
And if I'm not mistaken, John Walsh's father was in

483
00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:00.759
the Navy. I have to go back in my book

484
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:03.039
at home and check.

485
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.240
But yeah, I think he might be right.

486
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.599
I feel like that was a well, yeah, we'll let

487
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:10.039
you follow up on that one.

488
00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:12.039
Let's see, this may.

489
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:14.279
Be where Jack got the post office box keys that

490
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:16.920
were sent to law enforcement. This may be the direct

491
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.960
link to Anthrax through Zodiac nineteen ninety Christmas card, New

492
00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:24.519
Jersey has several links of interest for Jack, including Albert

493
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:29.039
Einstein reference to getting over on the FBI and CIA.

494
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.519
That is just like Lipstick Killer in the Zodiac, you

495
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:35.599
can contact me through your show desire to be made public,

496
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:39.519
which I found in Zodiac Plucked Allia Lipstick the finale

497
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:42.799
letter to Tim Miller and Anthrax. So we start to

498
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:46.319
see this press here as Jack is getting older, starting

499
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:49.799
to phase out of killing, and there's this push to

500
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:53.319
get the story told by the communicator of all.

501
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:56.759
Of these messages sober.

502
00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.880
It has a lot of like Egyptians symbolism in it.

503
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:07.319
You know, the people at NASA were fascinated by the

504
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.119
Egyptian Old Religion and.

505
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.400
Like the names of their missions are all Egyptian ship.

506
00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:18.400
I don't well, I did not know that well. In

507
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:26.359
these code psychological hold on, you guys are talking about.

508
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:32.599
Physchological, psychological information and uh deciphers and things. It goes

509
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:34.960
all the way back to that time. That's where they

510
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:36.880
got it from. That's where they get this from.

511
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:39.559
Yeah, I was studying symbols there for a while to

512
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:42.559
see if I could locate a particular set of symbols

513
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:44.440
that were being used. I did the script across the

514
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.720
Egyptian symbols. I didn't actually find anything that contained all

515
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.240
the symbols that are in here. But again, that's what

516
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.599
makes the code so unique and unsolvable unless you have

517
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:55.000
the key.

518
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:59.279
So I believe that the FBI either had the key.

519
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.039
Or John wall himself was also handed the key. And

520
00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:05.200
of course we're being presented this cipher because they know

521
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:07.079
that without the key, there's no way for us to

522
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:14.359
solve it. All right, So let's see, this is the

523
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:16.720
second communicator. Well, I don't know if it's the second.

524
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:20.119
I believe there's approximately five to six. It says a series.

525
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:22.920
It talks about five different ciphers, so I'm going to

526
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.319
assume that there's at least five different communications. To John Walsh,

527
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.599
this happens to be another one, and this one says it,

528
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.279
and to me it looks like it's page two of

529
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:35.480
a communication.

530
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:36.039
But I don't know that.

531
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.480
Let's see, Okay, so there's the third page, so it

532
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.079
looks like it's page two of three, and we're missing

533
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:44.079
the first page, And why not show us the first page,

534
00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:44.839
what's in it?

535
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:46.839
FBI and John Walsh?

536
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.119
That you don't want us to make a connection of

537
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:52.759
this letter starts out, and I hope you guys will

538
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:54.680
agree with me as I begin to read this that

539
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:56.799
this is not a complete sentence, which means that there

540
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.799
was another page that began.

541
00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:02.440
And had more information on it. It says intricate in

542
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:13.519
the first page.

543
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:12.440
That yeah, yeah, it says intricate and difficult to recopy

544
00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:13.599
onto these cards.

545
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:18.359
What is we only got a half a sentence.

546
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.960
My style of handwriting on these cards is very much

547
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.799
altered and controlled in order to throw off graphologists. He

548
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:31.920
knows about graphology, which is exactly you know the zodiac,

549
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:35.839
making the claim that he knew about fingerprints, and covering

550
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:39.359
his fingerprints and covering his handwriting and using a different hand.

551
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.039
In the Atlanta Georgia writings.

552
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.240
Like the over and over again, we're being told how

553
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.000
he can con people with his communications. He says, I

554
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:52.200
would much rather communicate with you with letters sent between us,

555
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:54.960
but you and your over anxious associates would try to

556
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.759
nail me even if I used a po box. There's

557
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.680
our po box reference. And we've seen this over and

558
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:05.119
over again for a return address. This would create a

559
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:07.920
rather messy situation since I do not plan to be

560
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:10.720
taken alive, if at all, and I truly believe in

561
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:15.039
the use of superior firepower. This creates a problem for

562
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.359
our communication since the only way I can communicate with

563
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:21.359
you is by letter and possibly phone, and your only

564
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.759
safe medium in both of our best interests is your

565
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:29.079
informative and helpful show. Consider this your second and definitely

566
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.759
last chance, since I will be I will soon start

567
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.799
collecting bodies, collecting bodies, collecting slaves.

568
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:38.119
I think that it runs pretty tandem.

569
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:45.480
Yeah, and he says, start collecting bodies for you, he says,

570
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.440
So he's telling John Walsh, I'm gonna start collecting bodies

571
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.240
for you to prove that this is not a prank.

572
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.880
Hopefully for you, no one will expose themselves to me

573
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:59.000
as an easy target. Zodiac one oh one thing ding

574
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.559
for my ever growing anger before I get a chance

575
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.440
to hear from you. I now realize, with many hundreds

576
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:08.119
of hours, we're gonna stop that there, and I'm gonna

577
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.160
tell you some of the things that I find interesting

578
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.079
in here, so we have helpful and informative show. And

579
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:16.960
this is a Zodiac's general statements in the Patricia Houts

580
00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:22.720
letter and to Tom Voight, always referencing something in the media,

581
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:25.920
and the confession that these letters are painstakingly done in

582
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.559
order to disguise from graphology, which explains why we why

583
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.440
we see missing attributes and added attributes. The finale letter

584
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:38.680
the Zodiac Jack Terrence's multiple styles of writing, says he

585
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:41.519
would communicate by letters, but they would track it back

586
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:43.599
to him through the po box, which is a reference

587
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:46.400
connecting the Christmas card through the post office box keys.

588
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:50.440
Also a statement is similar to those made by many

589
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:53.839
of the communications in these different crimes Frees. He says

590
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:57.559
it's messy, and he uses rather again he's incorrectly spells

591
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:00.519
very with two rs, which is that double level spelling

592
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:04.119
error that we've seen so often and it's now.

593
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:05.200
Attributed to disguise.

594
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.759
So he says, start with the collecting of bodies, and

595
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:11.640
the statement that hopefully no one makes themselves an easy target.

596
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.039
Uh and an ever growing anger, which is definitely a

597
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:17.160
statement from the Zodiac who's anger.

598
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.440
And I want to stop you there too on that

599
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.279
last statement that you just said. That is his way.

600
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.039
Of controlling John Walsh and letting him.

601
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:30.440
Know, like, if anyone gets information that they're not supposed

602
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:32.599
to get or they are on a trail that they're

603
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.720
not supposed to go on, then it's gonna be somebody

604
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.039
in your circle that's gonna be taken out. And I

605
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.680
can show you, and I will show you and that

606
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:44.079
you know, this is how I'm gonna control you. And

607
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:47.839
this is what you're gonna do. You're gonna only you know,

608
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:53.319
oh sorry, this is a weird noise You're only gonna

609
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:56.440
talk about in your show such and such.

610
00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:01.440
You know, if you go towards this way, then it's

611
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:01.960
going to be.

612
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:03.839
Well.

613
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:07.559
I do understand the threat that if he.

614
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:13.519
Basically he's trying to influence the content of Walsh's show.

615
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.799
And what Walsh's actions good.

616
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:19.000
Well, but I don't think that he actively did because

617
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.839
I don't recall shows and not that I've watched every

618
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.240
single America's Most Wanted there is, but I don't recall

619
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:27.000
shows where John Walsh was addressing any of this man's

620
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.759
intentions on his show, because otherwise he would have had

621
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:31.799
to have told us about these letters when they occurred.

622
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:35.559
I mean, I know it was all secret, I believe.

623
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:40.359
Yeah, so it is if he isn't playing into the

624
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.920
hand of this individual, then where is these twenty three bodies?

625
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:48.799
I could not find twenty three murders unsolved murders in

626
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.680
New Jersey during the nineteen nineties. The only thing I

627
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.599
really saw that was substantial in the New Jersey area

628
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:59.920
was the anthrax mailings, which encompassed something like seventeen people

629
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:01.519
or twenty some people.

630
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:02.200
Which was consistent.

631
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:05.400
So who and where are these twenty and he's saying,

632
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.880
I'm giving this to you as proof? So they must

633
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.039
have been able to track down either the work that

634
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:13.320
he had done or he did commit some type of

635
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.920
crime to prove up that these letters were truly from

636
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.599
this individual. I just don't know where to go with

637
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:23.119
you know them withholding information from us and not making.

638
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:28.079
It clear what was involved with all of these letters.

639
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:32.440
Well, and another another example would be not necessarily covering

640
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.079
up for the Zodiac, but for his associates as well,

641
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:40.519
which we do know. John Walsh was very well known

642
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:42.960
to cover a lot of a lot of the cartel,

643
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:47.960
a lot of the Iran contrast, people that went on

644
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:52.360
the run, many people and that were on the run

645
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:56.199
in New York and of that way. As far as

646
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.840
like you know, there's big names that he covered that

647
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:03.400
I'm pretty sure the Zodiac knew and uh you know

648
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:06.519
they communicated with because I think that he was a

649
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:11.039
part of all this, all these crazy murder sprees, you know,

650
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:14.719
in the nineteen nineties, in the eighties and early two thousands.

651
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.679
Well, it's interesting that you met mentioned the Iron.

652
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:24.719
Affair, Yehaus Bush was. Bush was implicated in that and

653
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.360
parted the last person who was on trial for it

654
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:29.800
so that his name didn't get brought up because he

655
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:32.679
likely could have been indicted for it. So we have

656
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.159
John Walsh covering the information of people involved in it,

657
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.199
but I don't know that he ever covered the bushes.

658
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:44.000
Well, how about this, He also pardoned Bush also pardoned

659
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.400
autist Tool of the Dead h.

660
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:48.159
Yes he did.

661
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:52.239
And Otis O'Toole was supposably the number one suspect on John.

662
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:56.880
Walsh's h Adam mart yep. But O'Toole is.

663
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.199
Taking him and Henry Lee lucas we now know, is

664
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:03.559
one of those gigantic jokes just taking I think that

665
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:06.719
law enforcement or the rangers, the Texas Rangers, really thought

666
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.639
that they could close two hundred and some murders across

667
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:12.920
the United states that I believe are associated to this

668
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:18.360
group by just simply having O'Toole and Lucas admit to

669
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:22.119
these murders and then providing them the information that they

670
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.079
needed to be able to look like they knew what

671
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.639
they were talking about and had inside information that nobody

672
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:28.199
else would have.

673
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.400
But it was really just being fed to them.

674
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:36.719
So how Tool, oh yeah, and then Tool, even in

675
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:40.840
the courtroom, Tool literally sat on camera like, this is

676
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:41.280
a joke.

677
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.639
They gave me the information, you know. I was told

678
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:48.320
to read the pages that they gave me, like, this

679
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:50.559
is not me. I'm trying to tell y'all. And he

680
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:53.039
would just like laugh and giggle about it. So it

681
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:55.079
kind of was like a joke and people really didn't

682
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:58.079
believe him, but he really was telling the truth.

683
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.760
Well that's his low level mentality he would have.

684
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:03.119
You know, I would think that the anxiety of the

685
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:07.119
whole entire mess because his maturity level was so low. Yeah,

686
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:12.320
if he did, his last name was properly fitting for him.

687
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:12.639
Tool.

688
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:15.519
He was a Tool, I know.

689
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:18.559
And that's even that's another irony of it.

690
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:19.519
It's just crazy.

691
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:25.320
Here's here's the third page to this communication. It says,

692
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.559
and of course we finished off. I now realized, with

693
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:32.400
many hundreds of hours of mind racking experimentation with my

694
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:35.280
complex ciphers, that my first one that I sent you

695
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:38.880
was comparatively simple to my second, third, fourth, and now

696
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:43.280
temporarily final cryptograph system. So that would inticate to me

697
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.639
at least five communications. And that's if every single communication

698
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.760
came with the cipher. If he sent communications that didn't

699
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:55.159
include ciphers, there could be possibly more communications. To John Walsh,

700
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.400
he says, I have been encoding useful information for your

701
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:03.199
use and have done it fairly since all my ciphers

702
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.599
can be decoded simply once the limited patterns and systems

703
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.840
are discovered, I haven't closed another cipher for you to

704
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:10.360
deal with.

705
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:12.960
See you in El Amigo scorpion.

706
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:18.480
See where to go?

707
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:29.719
Wow, Well that's that's uh, you know, kind of Hispanic lingo,

708
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.480
you know, and John Wish was very familiar with that

709
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:37.280
Hispanic lingo because of how Florida was had a lot

710
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:39.920
of Cubans and a lot of Venezuelans and a lot

711
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:46.599
of uh Mexican Mexicans like uh. And that's literally the

712
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:50.199
main the main portal that went all the way up

713
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:54.159
to the United States with the iron contra contra affair.

714
00:38:54.559 --> 00:39:00.400
So quick question the scorpion, who is like a little

715
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:01.800
ink blotch below it?

716
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:04.559
Do you attribute any significance to that?

717
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.400
Well, we've seen a lot of that doodling and blood

718
00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:11.400
dropping imitation in the Zodiac letters.

719
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:14.480
They like a drop of blood or something.

720
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:17.320
Yeah, we had the dripping pen with blood.

721
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:21.800
We had the doodles that that gray Smith actually had

722
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.400
removed from a letter that he had published in his

723
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:27.599
first book. In a second book, he had those little

724
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.920
doodles removed. But we saw that also on the Tit

725
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:35.480
Willow communication from the Zodiac, where he drew these little

726
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:39.039
circle they almost looked like a little sperm, the little

727
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:41.679
circles with little tails on them that he was, you know,

728
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.360
inco or basically like he was just maybe even having

729
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:48.920
a thought process where he was doodling while he was

730
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:49.360
doing it.

731
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.000
But it almost looks like a stinger.

732
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.320
It almost looks like the tip of the scorpion's tail

733
00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:00.280
of that eye. Right, So I really I don't know

734
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.440
what to make of it other than yeah, we've seen

735
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:06.519
the doodling, We've seen the heavy.

736
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:09.679
Yeah, it's hard to decipher it, but it has to

737
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:11.559
have some sort of significance.

738
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:13.000
He does everything for a.

739
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:19.039
Reason, right, yeah, right, Well, so the page this is

740
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:21.920
the page two or three of three is a complex

741
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:25.519
cipher reference to five ciphers and cryptograph systems, each one

742
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:28.880
becoming even harder. Zodiac accounts for three in the final

743
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:32.760
two are sent as scorpion. So I had wondered at

744
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:35.280
this point in time if that wasn't the entire five,

745
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:37.559
and that when he stated that he had sent five,

746
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:41.280
that they were ciphers he had sent in other areas.

747
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.559
But I want to say that we also had four

748
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.679
ciphers from the zodiac, and now we've got two here,

749
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:48.920
So that wouldn't make sense. So he must have sent

750
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.480
five individual ciphers to John Walsh.

751
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.079
He does put the word useful go ahead.

752
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:59.039
Is there any way to put pressure on whoever to

753
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:02.079
get that first bay or to find out if it exists?

754
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:05.119
It has to exist, because the second page is a

755
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:06.000
broken and.

756
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.920
Then yeah, and then again the in the Adam Boss

757
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:12.880
case bout that was the first page uh in there.

758
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:16.480
It was like it was like that that they just

759
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:17.840
put those pieces in there.

760
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.000
Yeah yeah, well and it's like that it's like that

761
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.840
person who gave the review on Jack as the zodiac

762
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:26.639
indicating that we should put pressure on the FBI and

763
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.519
law enforcement to do the DNA testing on Jack. We

764
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:31.719
know that the FBI is in position of a second

765
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.119
envelope and they they, I would hope not make the.

766
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:36.920
Same mistake that they did with the first.

767
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.320
One, where a s FPD combined the DNA samples from

768
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.239
under the lip of the envelope and the stamp. But

769
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:45.320
with them, with the FBI still in a possession of

770
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:48.000
one of Jack's envelopes, there should be testing on this

771
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:51.679
and why didn't the FBI do this? They I know

772
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:55.360
that the the agents that were working with Dennis spent

773
00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.280
lots of hours with Dennis tracking down lots of leads,

774
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.800
following up on lots of evidence that Jack Gay or

775
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.239
Dennis gave him. Why in the world did they not

776
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.679
do the DNA testing. They traveled all the way down

777
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.880
to Doris Rental Reynolds after I found out that she

778
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.239
was willing to speak, and I wanted to get hers

779
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.760
and Danny Reynolds DNA because Dennis thought that there was

780
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.519
a possibility that Danny Reynolds DNA would have been found

781
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:21.960
on these envelopes. The FBI claims that they went down

782
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:25.639
there and found her, you know, basically incoherent in some

783
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:28.760
type of arrest home, and that she was unable to speak,

784
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.920
and they couldn't simply just get Danny Reynolds DNA to

785
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:34.199
make a comparison, which I think is bs because he's

786
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:35.960
been in and out of jail all of his life

787
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.159
and he was likely in her in jail at that moment.

788
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.239
Either way, if you're going to go all the way

789
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:44.519
down there to meet up with Doris Reynolds.

790
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.320
And they're still a sigarette but or something like or

791
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:51.280
you know, whether they smoked or not, or a bottle

792
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:52.000
of water.

793
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.559
It's more It's more my point that if you're going

794
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.400
to make that trip and use those resources to go down.

795
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:00.800
There and do that, why not test that last st envelope?

796
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:04.639
Why not get the palm print from Sonoma County PD

797
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:09.320
or Sheriff's Department that was given by Dennis to Officer

798
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.599
Brown out there. Why not get that poem print and

799
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.840
do those comparisons. That officer, to my knowledge, was never

800
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:18.280
capable of doing a comparison of the fingerprints and palm

801
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:21.719
print of Jack, which we have to the palm print

802
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:25.000
at SFPD because they just weren't playing the game with anybody,

803
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:29.199
So yeah, putting the pressure on them is something Dennis

804
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:32.599
evidently attempted to do and it was a huge failure,

805
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:36.000
epic failure. And why and why would Harry Phillips say,

806
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:38.440
we knew that the other eight people were not the Zodiac,

807
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:40.159
So what are you saying you know that Jack is

808
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.320
or you're afraid that investigating him may prove that he was.

809
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:44.960
And this is going to lead back to people who

810
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.800
are very much still alive that could be harm in

811
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:48.599
regards to it.

812
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:52.519
Well, it's the same concept with Epstein and them not

813
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:54.880
releasing things because there's certain things in there that they

814
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.159
don't that will implicate a lot of people and they

815
00:43:57.159 --> 00:43:59.920
don't want it to you know, people to know. It's sad,

816
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.639
feel like it's the same thing with the Zodiac. There

817
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:04.480
were so many, you know, people involved in this group

818
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.800
and who knew about it. Whether they participate or not,

819
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:10.800
they still knew about it and with held withheld information,

820
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:14.559
it would implicate a lot of people. And so they

821
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.599
just want to keep playing games and you know, act

822
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:20.239
like they're doing something about it and they're not.

823
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.480
And when they're not, because they already know.

824
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:26.880
Who he is there were contacts in hide places then

825
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:27.840
knew about it.

826
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:30.440
And he knew a lot of different people.

827
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.119
Yeah, so here we have this next cipher that also

828
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:39.719
came along with this three page letter and oh well

829
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:44.280
I needed to finish up obviously. Line eight was the

830
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.960
word useful. Spacing is consistent with Zodiac and Jack Terrence

831
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:52.800
and the ceeu in how amigo reference is Again, I

832
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.039
don't know if he's saying amigo to make it look

833
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:55.440
like this.

834
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:56.360
He might be.

835
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:58.920
Hispanic, but we know that there were at least a

836
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:03.320
couple of times he pretended to be a faction or

837
00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:06.840
a different culture than American. But we can see by

838
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:09.000
the use of the language here that English is this

839
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:13.360
person's first language. So definitely probably or probably not Hispanic

840
00:45:13.639 --> 00:45:14.400
would be my guest.

841
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:16.039
Yeah, well ago too.

842
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:16.920
It's the term.

843
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.679
It's it's Spanish, but you know, but it's also a

844
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:24.320
textan terms Texas part of Mexico. That's what I was

845
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.840
just gonna say a little bit to uh, your asses

846
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:33.639
of bragg. Yeah, they're like cowboys, you know, but they're

847
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:37.800
writing ones writing a donkey.

848
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.599
Yes, that's the meo.

849
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:45.199
It's kind of like a clue back to that. That's

850
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:49.280
the method. They liked Jack or whoever the group is.

851
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:53.039
They like to give clues to past events and passed

852
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:57.239
cards and past communications.

853
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.159
That's how I put it all together, going through these

854
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:03.199
these communications with people popping up out of the woodworks,

855
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.639
being anonymous, sending me new communications and different crime sprees,

856
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:08.440
and then falling off the face of the earth. I

857
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:10.800
always had to wonder, why why did you come in

858
00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:13.320
just to disappear? I mean, did you really want me

859
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:15.079
to solve this or you leaving it up to me

860
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.559
to figure everything out? And really it was just about

861
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.519
putting the communications together and determining if the handwriting was

862
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:24.599
the same, which we have included the Scorpion letters in

863
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.360
that handwriting examination that was done way back, and I

864
00:46:27.400 --> 00:46:29.519
want to say we were in like the nine hundreds.

865
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.719
We are now in twenty five hundred and fifty three

866
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:36.199
slides of this presentation, so more than halfway back. We

867
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.000
did the handwriting comparison of all of the letters so

868
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:40.360
that I could get that done and out of the

869
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.519
way for people. Well, that brings us to a letter

870
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:47.159
that Lindsay has sent to me, and this comes out

871
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:48.639
of the John Walsh files.

872
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:49.480
Correct.

873
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:56.480
Yeah, so this was an interesting letter. It says congratulation

874
00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:03.079
on your Oh goodness, I guess I should have your

875
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:09.800
poor police diplomacy. So congratulations on your police diplomacy. Adam

876
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:14.880
Walsh suffered, not you. Adam was dead only two to

877
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:23.719
three days. Forensics know a a dead Oh gosh, I

878
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:25.880
probably should have typed this up ahead of time, because

879
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:29.360
it's going to take some time to cipher a dead

880
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:36.199
decomposed in water, especially when it's a bloody mess being

881
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.239
fed on by water creatures. So this individual is probably

882
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.480
just trying to comment. Have you read this letter, Lindsay,

883
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:48.280
for what it's worth and what did you find that

884
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:49.039
you thought was.

885
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:52.360
Interesting about it?

886
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:58.440
Just how much information they knew and how it was

887
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:02.440
talking about the police, you know, in their dirty work

888
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:12.360
and sin I believe it also talks about uh investigating

889
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:19.320
certain people and the distrib distribution of of certain things.

890
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:24.880
Uh.

891
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:29.679
Who's the letter to, Well, it looks like it went

892
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:32.360
to the police department because it says congratulations on your

893
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:35.199
poor police diplomacy. So I think what I'll do is

894
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.199
we're at it. We're at the end of our segment

895
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.400
right now, We've got about a minute left. So I

896
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:41.159
think what I'll do is I'll go ahead and type

897
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:43.039
this up so that I can easily read it for

898
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:46.159
the viewers. Uh, and then we can revisit this particular

899
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.440
letter and the other one that you sent me next week.

900
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:54.360
How about that, lindsay, Yeah, okay, well yeah, that literally,

901
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:57.000
unless you guys have anything to add puts us pretty much.

902
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.360
I want to tell you a little, a little.

903
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:06.360
Uh information I learned of when I was researching just

904
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:12.519
Lame's Maxwell's father and his suspicious death and all that.

905
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.440
So apparently he was I don't know.

906
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:18.119
If we have time for that, because we're literally counting down.

907
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:20.079
We have less than thirty seconds if you can get

908
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:20.840
it out in less.

909
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:24.519
Than okay, yeah, yeah, So he was funded by Ears Israel,

910
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:27.400
and Israel pretty much had a hand in all of

911
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.559
his media stuff like that. So, in other words, so

912
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:33.320
when he died, it was passed down to Epstein.

913
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.000
Oh ay, creaked all.

914
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:38.840
Right, So I want to pick that up next week.

915
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:41.519
Then everybody have a wonderful weekend. Thank you both for

916
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:43.639
being here. We will see you guys next Friday.

917
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:57.840
See yah, good weeks you too

918
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:05.239
And family.