Feb. 27, 2026

Jack and Nora 1997-1999

Jack and Nora 1997-1999
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These are rough years for Jack and Nora. Several moves take place over this time frame. Flova, Jack’s mom, passes away. Nora loses eye sight, and goes into the hospital to have a leg amputated. Dennis finds things after her death that makes him believe that Jack hastened her demise. This prompts more moves and a gypsy like experience for Jack and Charles.

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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Road, Jack Finding the Zodiac.

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I have some research and YouTube questions will start out

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with today, but we are mostly going to be covering

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what's going on in Jack and Nora's life over nineteen

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ninety seven. I found more interesting information in regards to

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uses of different names once again, which we know that

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Jack has done throughout his lifetime. But some of them

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are a little astonishing because they are actually repeats or

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duplicates of names that were used that he was charged

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criminally with in some of his gosh like the poaching

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incident or the assault with the deadly weapon, and the

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way that he actually was able to get bonded out

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on a completely different name. So we're seeing a repeat

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of those names and it looks to me to be

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about a ten or fifteen year difference between the use

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of those names, but he is still using them in

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the nineteen nineties. So we'll start with our YouTube comments

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that I got in this last week, and it was

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quite a long One's going to take a couple slides,

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but I tried to answer most of the questions with

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a succinct answer in regards to everything, So I'm not

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going to read. I'm just going to kind of highlight

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what this person was thinking, and then we'll go to

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the answers, because I think they probably haven't watched all

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the episodes, maybe came in on this one, and there's

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still a lot of people out there that think that

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Arthur Lee Allen is the number one suspect, So a

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lot of this kind of boiled back to Arthur Lee Allen.

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So basically, it's told the kirk k four Q indicated

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that they wondered if Jack Terrence and Arthur Lee Allen

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knew each other, And of course we've discussed this in

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the past, but Dennis had made a comment that Jack

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stated when seeing Arthur Lee Allen on the news as

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a suspect for the Zodiac killings that he referred to

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him as being that's the nice man who gave me

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a ride home from Lake Barry Essa. I thought that

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was extremely interesting that this was something that Dennis would

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have remember or brought up, though he didn't actually state

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the time frame in which case the statement was made

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or when Arthur Lee Allen was actually on the news

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being accused of being the Zodiac. But that was one

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comment or one question that was asked by this individual.

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They talked. He talks about they both love hunting, and

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they both had cars and traveled the wooded picnic areas,

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so he's put in a lot of commonalities between Arthur

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Lee Allen and Jack Terrence now turned on. Okay, So

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the individual goes on to say things like, even if

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they weren't very close friends, did they at least know

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each other? Perhaps they were estranged and distant. Zodiac killer

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was clevered and Jack didn't attract much attention, which, of

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course is what I've said all along. Didn't attract much

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attention as an individual because you wouldn't want to lead

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them back to you as a suspect, but as the

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Zodiac persona obviously was wanting all kinds of attention. I

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know that they the individual made mention to let's see

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here allegedly Jack's Zodiac costume and knife don't match the

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actual Zodiac costume found at the crime scene. I don't

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know where they thought they found this at the crime scene,

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because the hood was not found at the crime scene

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and that there were no DNA traces that were found.

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So my response was not knowing where they got their

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information from the hood and the knife didn't match, because

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by all it says, I don't know where you get

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your information that the hood and knife didn't match, because

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by all descriptions, they did, and if the hood wasn't

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to match, the FBI wouldn't have wasted time doing a

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DNA test. They did not find any DNA or blood

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on the hood, per the FBI, but I highly doubt

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that they would have told us if they had found

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any of it. I mean, honestly speaking, the FBI keeps

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things pretty close to the hip and they're not about

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to give away, you know, anything, especially in an open investigation.

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They did keep the hood as evidence and stated that

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the fabric predated the Zodiac crimes. It is called a

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juke fabric, which is a gunnysick gunnysack like material, and

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it had the holes for the clip on sunglasses. So

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that's pretty damning if you ask me. And the fact

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that it was found packed away inside of a PA

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system that was owned by Jack was also pretty damning.

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As for the DNA, he said in two thousand and two,

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a DNA sample from the saliva on the stamps in

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the letter was compared to Allen's DNA, but no conclusive

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result was reached. Again, that is misinformation. As for Arthur

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Lee Allen in the DNA test, he was cleared on

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all aspects of forensics, including DNA in two thousand with

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Harry Phillips on twenty on twenty who arranged to have

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eight suspects DNA ran, and I'm pretty sure that included

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everybody from Warrence Kage. I mean, all these people that

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we've gone over and ruled out as possible suspects. I

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spoke to Harry Phillips personally and asked why Jack's was

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not ran in this episode and his response was because

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we knew the other eight suspects were not the zodiac.

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So again, what does that tell you? What he doesn't

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say is you know they're looking at Jack obviously as

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a valid suspect, and knowing that he hadn't been ruled

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out as a suspect, they did not include in the

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DNA testing, which I thought was rather odd because I

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thought the goal here was to figure out who committed

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these crimes and to do whatever it took to have

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that happen. So why would a major media company do

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DNA testing on people they already knew were not the suspects.

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I just really don't understand that, again, unless it's just

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to keep this thing as a mystery. Let see, Arthur

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Lee Allen also died with a typewritten note in his

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hand that said he was not the Zodiac. The Zodiac

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would have written a novel laughing at how he was

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never caught. So I highly doubt in any aspect that

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Arthur Lee Allen could be considered the Zodiac killer. He

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went on to talk about the shoeprint matches the size

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of Arthur and Jack because of its military brute, and

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he talks about the Zodiac watch. So he's saying that

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evidence matching Arthur includes a Zodiac grand and watch a

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glove number. I don't know what a glove number means.

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I would really be interested in finding out what that

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person was trying to say by that and a bloody knife.

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So a bloody knife. If they found a bloody knife,

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that DNA probably could have been tested to see if

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that blood matched any of the victims. So again, I

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have not heard about the bloody knife or this glove

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number thing, but I would think that that bloody knife

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would either roule him in or rule them out as

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a possible Zodiac suspect, and it did neither. So I'm

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not sure again where they got their information from, but

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that just tells me what's floating around up there on

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the internet. I did mention back that Arthur Lee allen

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Zodiac watch was a gift I believe from his mother,

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so it was just an unlucky coincidence that he owned it.

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It wasn't something he went out and purchased himself because

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he was priding himself as being the Zodiac killer. And

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then he goes on to say something about a Rick Marshall.

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I'm well, let's see here. Rick Marshall was also a

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key suspect and the radio operator, so she I think

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he meant to say he might have known Jack. And

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also Rick's appearance matches the eyewitness zodiac profile and resembles

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zodiac sketches. I am not familiar with who Rick Marshall is,

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and Jack has been the best suspect since two thousands,

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so not just because of the circumstantial evidence and everything

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that I've put forth in this presentation, but the handwriting

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as well. And law enforcement has had DNA fingerprints and

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palm prints of Jack, and the San Francisco Police Department

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did everything they could to either not test these items

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or to watch the results in the DNA. So as

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far as I know, the FBI has one more envelope

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with Jack's DNA, and I'm not sure why they haven't

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granted either way. That's the YouTuber comment and responses there.

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Hopefully they're watching, maybe they'll reach out and let you

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know where they got that other information from or what

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it is that they might be talking about. And then

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I skipped across one of the funniest cases I've probably

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had them a very long time. It was a trust

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case in which case they gave me known handwriting samples,

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and some of those samples actually came in on some

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political rhetoric, which of course I would not normally have

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settled down to have read because I'm here to analyze

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the handwriting, and quite frankly, the handwriting that is on

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these documents aren't a signature of this individual. So it's

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not like I would have been comparing this anyways. It

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was just extra pieces of evidence that they gave me

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in the handwriting. While I'm looking at this man's responses,

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I'm about dying and falling out on my chair because

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some of the things that he has to say. Now,

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keep in mind, this man is eighty years old, I

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believe seventy nine eighty based on the timeframe. So this

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is letters that were sent to him back in twenty sixteen,

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and it's called Citizens against Government Waste, which we know that.

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I mean, it's a lot of these a lot of

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these organizations that are sending out these type of mailers

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are really targeting elderly people and asking them for money

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to help fight their cause. And so this guy is

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actually responding to the statements that are made on this

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piece of paper, and he is donating twenty dollars at

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this point. But I'm going to read some of it

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just because I think everybody could use a good laugh.

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On a Friday, he checked Mark Yes, I've signed my

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citizens demand because it is absolutely outrageous that the Department

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of Justice would move to limit the investigative powers of

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its Inspector General. The eighty year old man response on

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Congress passed the law detailing the IG's job. So he's

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alluding to the fact that there is law and precedent

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for the IG's job. So he's letting them know that

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this is already on the books. Why are why you

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know not why? We'll get into that here in a minute.

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It says the IG's are government's most potent watchdogs, and

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if this effort by the DOJ succeeds, other agencies will

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very likely follow the DOJ's lead and restrict the ability

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of their IG's to uncover waste, rawed abuse, and a corruption.

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And we're seeing a lot of that right now in California.

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So is this the predecessor to what has now taken

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place in states like California where there's nobody watching over

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what it is our governor is allowing to happen. With

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the funds going from a surplus to a deficit. We

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are hearing that Trump wants to investigate Newsom in California's

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wasteful spending and fraud that has occurred under the the

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watchful eye of Governor Newsom. And this man's response was

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the employers of the government don't triumph. It says, forcing

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the Inspector General to ask for permission from the agencies

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they want to investigate before conducting an inquiry will shield

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government officials from public scrutiny and potential prosecution. This is

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nothing more than an effort by Obama administration to cover

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up government waste and corruption. And he writes underneath of

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it congressionally produced law. So he keeps repeating that this

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job for the IGS is it is a law, and

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the DOJ shouldn't be able to stop them. But here's

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this organization asking for money to try and stop the DOJ.

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It says, I understand that CGW will face powerful opponents

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in the Obama administration and potentially the government employees' union bosses.

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So here we are still talking about the mob again.

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To win this vitally important battle, you urgently need both

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my science. Citizens demand in my largest possible contribution in

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the amount of and the amounts that they're asking for

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is one hundred and one hundred and twenty five one

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hundred and forty or other, which is where he placed

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the twenty dollars. The check contributions, it says, please make

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your check payable to Citizens Against Government Waste or CAGW.

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Contributions are taxed inductible to the extent permitted by law.

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I about fell out because this is where it started

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to get funny. The eighty year old responds, this is

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like marriage. It's not the initial cost, it's the upkeep.

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In a subsequent notification that was sent to him, again

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by Citizens against Government Waste, they are now telling him.

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In recent years, a number of Inspectors General have been

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at the center of uncovering headline making scandals, such as

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those at the Internal Revenue Service and the use of

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a non governmental email server by former Secretary of State

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Hillary Clinton. What's more, CGW regularly works with the various

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IGS in publicizing wasteful spending and government abuse. We are

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often the main non governmental organization focusing attention on their findings. Further,

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our efforts frequently get the IG's recommendations acted on or

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incorporated into law. He writes in big letters. Start here

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Number one says, in fact, a twenty fourteen analysis, the

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taxpayers could save as much as forty three billion. If

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officials running the biggest federal departments would do what their

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IGS recommend, that's kind of scary. I mean, if there's

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any ounce of truth to the solicitation of these letters

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that are going out that we could be saving money.

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If the IGS were able to do their jobs, make

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the recommendations, and our government agencies would follow these, that's

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a little bit scary, it says. However, having the various

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IGS uncovering, publicizing, and prosecuting wasteful and potentially illegal acts

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by government officials is unwelcomed by some of the top

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of the Obama administration and the eighty year old rights.

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Then they need to clean up their acts. Oh my goodness.

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If that's not what we talk about, They go on

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to say, Indeed, this administration has a long pattern of

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trying to obstruct the work of the IGS. For example,

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the dj is unlawfully denied or delayed IG access to

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the records concerning inquiries into Operation Fast and Furious. I'm

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not sure what that operation is. I did mean to

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look that up, but Operation Fast and Furious and alleged

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sex parties involving Drug Enforcement Administration agents, the eighty year

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old rights in capital letters. That's exactly what prompted the investigation.

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So evidently there was a blocking of this investigation, is

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what I'm hearing this man say. And he's obviously been

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on this earth a lot longer than I have been,

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so he has probably watched a lot of these different

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things go down. They went on to say, Now, in

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an effort to further curtail public scrutiny, the DOJ's Office

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of Legal Counsel has issued a sixty eight page memorandum

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saying that the DOJ's Inspector General must get permission from

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the agencies it oversees to obtain access to wire taps,

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grand jury testimony, or credit information about individuals under investigation

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by the IG. He writes, how stupid is this way? Stupid?

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Resign legal counselors. Oh my goodness, I thought it was

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going to lose myself. They go on to say. What's more,

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this effort by DOJ lawyers to strip power from the

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IG at the Department of Justice as clearly a trial balloon.

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To see if Congress said, the American people will let

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them get away with it. He says, if you can't,

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the eighty year old says, if you can't tolerate investigation,

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get a different job. The law is clear. I just

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love this guy, they gone to say. In response to

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the memorandum, the DOJ's Inspector General, Michael E. Horowitz, said,

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Congress meant what it said when it authorized Inspector General

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to independently access all documents necessary to conduct effective oversight.

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Without such access, our office's ability to conduct its work

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will be significantly impaired. The eighty year old rights. See,

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that's how stuff is fairly evaluated. Apparently, President Obama's new

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Attorney General and others in the DOJ are desperately trying

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to give a free pass to lawbreakers and those who

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are wasting taxpayer funds or abusing their powers within the

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federal government. The eighty year old rights. Duh. I did

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not see that one coming, honestly speaking, they go on

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to say. On top of Cgw's a strong objections to

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the outrageous new policy, a number of Republican and Democratic

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members of Congress of decrying the DOJ's efforts to protect lawbreakers,

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he writes the eighty year old rights they should blush.

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Representative Conyers, the ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee,

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also asserted that the IG should not have to ask

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permission from the very agency he oversees. What's more, he

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called the opinion a departure from the plain text to

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the statute and the intent of Congress the eighty year

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old rights Again duh. They go on to say, clearly

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there is a bipartisan opposition to this effort by the

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DOJ to defy Congress and cover up waste and corruption

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within the government. If CGW can both generate media attention

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all across the country about what the DOJ has done

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and rally on unprecedented, unprecedented showing of citizen outrage, we

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can force the Obama administration to tell DOJ to back

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down and the eighty year old rights they should not

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have revealed their stupidity in this way, the key to

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both generating massive news coverage and recruiting millions of Americans

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to oppose the DJ's effort to cover up waste and

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corruption and government all starts with your signed citizens demand

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it should sign It should start with a signature, right,

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But why are we having to pay in order to

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get our Congress to act upon their very own laws

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to behave in accordance with those laws? So to me again,

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this is why I went back to This reminds me

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of the ADL. You know, pay us to protect you

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and seeke to both generates the key to generating both

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massive news coverage and recruiting millions. Yes, he responds, if

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they are doing their job right, the IG will note

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that too. Then it says, please take a moment right

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now to sign and return your citizens demand. When we oh, no,

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I didn't want to read that line. Sorry, and plainly put.

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Such an effort fighting the administrator's lawyers and maybe even

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their union boss friends will be expensive. The eighty year

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old writes, this is not a pissing contest. Just show

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them the nineteen seventy eight law and bigger print every

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time they disagree. Could you imagine the size of this

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sign now, if we had to print it bigger each

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and every time they failed to do their jobs. Some

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ending ones was all told to wage this effort and

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continue our other investigations and battles against deficit producing government waste.

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I calculate that CGW must raise approximately one hundred and

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fifty thousand in the next thirty days. Oh my goodness,

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to reach and even exceed this all important goal. I

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need your special contribution when you return your citizens demand.

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He says, see above. You don't have to spend more

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money except for printing, because he said, just keep printing

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it larger if it's humanly possible. I would like to

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ask you to please consider sending at least one hundred

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or even one twenty five or one hundred and forty.

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I don't think I can overstate that it will mean

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to our country's future if the Obama administration gets away

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with killing off the investigation policing powers of our government's

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ig and the eighty year old rights. I'm not going

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to spend my money. The law already says what it says.

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Bless his heart, like he literally has responded to just rhetoric.

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I mean, these people are obviously just reaching out at

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this point. Good morning the land that's welcome for me.

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So I can't hear you.

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Okay, good I had a problem. I started your your

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email and I've tried to open it that way, but

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I couldn't. Sort of what I did, I went to

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back to one's from last week and just put down

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out and it worked.

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Yeah, that's the one you're going to use each and

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every time now Okay, yeah, so they we won't be reseteasing.

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Don't e racist start that bad boy, all right. I

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think you can also save it to your favorites, you know,

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if you want to be able to there coming in.

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I don't know, obviously, this is the first week with

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the new link I did. I did. Maybe that's a

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good possibility. I don't know if I've seen a response

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from her. This morning, I was just covering the Citizens

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Against Government Waste, which is a conservative group that was

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reaching out to one of its constituents. I'm gonna call

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for better. I mean, he must be a member of

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the conservative group I would assume to be receiving these mailers.

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But they're asking for money to help fight government waste

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and spending and the deal and to prevent the do

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J from uh excluding the oversight or resisting the site

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from the IGAL.

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Money and weapons Israel. They'll say a bunch of money.

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Don't say that, you'll be called an anti Semitic and

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you'll get sued. And this man was absolutely hilarious. So

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he's about eighty years old and on the letter. So

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it's a case I just recently had to take. And

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these were some known samples I was provided, otherwise I

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would have never read any of this stuff. But he

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alludes to the fact that what these people are calling

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on him for was much like a marriage. It's not

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about the initial costs, it's about the upkeep. And he

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keeps telling him, I don't need to give you my money.

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The law already exist. Every time they disagree with allowing

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the oversight to occur, he says, just print the law

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bigger and show it to him again. I don't know.

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I was in hysterics when I was reading this because

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it even alludes to the Obama administration sex parties with

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the DA agents and all these things, which this is

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back in twenty sixteen, right, so this is before Epstein

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is well known, not before I guess Epstein took his

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first ball two thousand and six, two thousand and seven.

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But now they're talking about sex part This organization is

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calling out the obamadministration for sex parties. So the weaponizing

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of media obviously has been going on for eons, though

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I don't usually have any past experience examples of it

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until I saw this and I was just like, holy crap,

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this just kind of ensuals. What I'm saying is that

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it's just one year after the next they continue their

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their egregious acts against Yeah, the propaganda, well it's likely

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propaganda that these people are putting out for sure, But

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they're literally telling us that this stuff is going on

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within our own political walls and that Obama is having

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sex parties. So is this the onset of them? Right? Right?

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That's what I'm saying, Like, where do you get this

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information from? Is it real? But again I likened it

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to the ad L because when I looked up Citizens

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against Government Waste, you won't find this to be a coincidence.

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They are a five zero one c four nonprofit organized

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think tank and physically conservative advocacy group in the USA,

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So every dollar they're taking in is not taxed and

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they're claiming to want to protect us. So to me,

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it just sounds like mob and insurance all over. And again, yeah,

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that's my tangent. He obviously doesn't either, and he's mad.

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He's like, it's a law of books. This is stupid,

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he says. And I'm gonna go back to this one

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where he says this. One of his responses is was

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they should blush, and the other one is how stupid

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is this way stupid resign legal counselors.

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Yeah, they worried about spending to fun programs for the

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public and libraries and arts.

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And things like that.

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They cry about that, but they don't say anything about

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military spending and the military industrial complex and the waste

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that goes on.

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There exactly well, And I think that that's what he's

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alluding to here, is that basically the IGS have been

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blocked by the DOJ, and so Citizens against Government Waste

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is trying to fight this battle to allow the IGS

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to do their job to uncover this wasteful spending, fraud

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and you know, bad acts that are being committed by

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the government. So it obviously tells you that they that

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there are agencies out there that don't feel that our

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government has been doing us right either. So it kind

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of just falls in line with what I'm saying that's

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going on here with all of this stuff.

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It just it was questioned.

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Yeah, on my phone, I got a little pop up

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that pup wants to deport Robert de Niro.

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You know why.

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I don't know.

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I said something anti Trump and now Trump, but he's

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a citizen.

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Where's he going to deport him to?

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Yeah? I wrote United States citizens.

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Come on, Well, but that's what I'm saying. I think

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sometimes this stuff is just again it's just yeah, propaganda,

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weaponizing stuff. I mean, I I don't discount that the

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Trump said it, because he does say some stupid things, but.

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Like, yeah, him to I've known that that is not

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a Trumper, that's for sure. But there you can't threaten

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to work someone just because they criticize you.

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No, and especially it's a right. And when you're a

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political official or you're some high ranking person like literally

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you have to take just about what anybody says about

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you because it's supposedly their thought, their opinion. That's that

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goes along with freedom of speech. But I mean, honestly,

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you can't say things that are untrue that would harm

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the person either, right.

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Right, No, you don't get a little alar on people.

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Yeah, well they have. They're just full of lies, unless

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well he stole president. So I'm not putting anything fast.

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Oh my goodness. So we're now going to climb into

464
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.920
to Jack and Nora for nineteen ninety seven, and I

465
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.400
found some interesting things. So to add on to the

466
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.599
fact that I don't believe the date sequences in Nora's

467
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:29.119
diary are correct. We're going to see some information that

468
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:31.519
is going to kind of peel back that part where

469
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:35.599
I say that I don't believe that the dates are

470
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:39.440
all correct, as they have been corrected, So that leads

471
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:41.759
me to believe that the original dates that were written

472
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:45.200
in there were probably more correct, and what she changed

473
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.400
them to does not coincide with other pieces of evidence

474
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:49.079
that I'm finding.

475
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:55.119
So last time there's several dates were corrected. It was weird,

476
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:57.240
right fact.

477
00:28:57.440 --> 00:28:59.799
Yeah, completely after the fashion.

478
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.000
What you're in left. Does Jack die.

479
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:11.000
Right August two thousand and six, No, he actually he

480
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:13.880
is sick with congestin heart failure. They put in a

481
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:18.119
pacemaker in nineteen ninety seven, but he does not die

482
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.039
until two thousand and six. I mean, we're going to

483
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:22.839
see some very strange things, including a will that.

484
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:26.359
He lived another nine years.

485
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:31.599
Said yeah, yes. So on March twenty fourth, nineteen ninety seven,

486
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:34.680
Pernor's diary, the family left California to pick up Dennis

487
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.319
and head to Washington to Mary's for the Easter holidays.

488
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.400
So they know sooner than have gotten back, Jack has

489
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:44.039
been hospitalized, got the pacemaker, and they are back on

490
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.240
the road in March for Easter. So this tells you

491
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:51.200
how much traveling and how easy it is for Jack

492
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:55.319
to pick up and just go somewhere and drive great

493
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.880
distances and this, Like you said, we thought he was

494
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:01.359
gravely ill at this point, but it turns out obviously

495
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:03.839
he's hopping back on the road once again for Easter.

496
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.240
I say, he always travels for the holidays to either

497
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.480
Mom or from Mom to California to Washington. He's all

498
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:16.119
over the place. On March twenty sixth, nineteen ninety seven,

499
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:18.720
Jack receives a letter in regards to an auto accident

500
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.920
on February twenty sixth, nineteen ninety seven, and is still

501
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:25.400
living on Nelda Street. But this does not coincide with

502
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:28.480
norris diary that he was in the hospital on February

503
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.480
twenty six and that there's no mention of an accident

504
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:35.640
in her diary. So there's nothing that's said about this accident.

505
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:38.039
But we do have this all state notice that came

506
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.480
out and it says our ensured Jack Terrence, date of

507
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.960
loss February twenty sixth, nineteen ninety seven. But her diary

508
00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:51.400
says something different. So either he goes out, Yeah, something's

509
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:53.599
going on there, so it it tends to make me

510
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.680
believe that Jack did come back on Christmas Day, rather

511
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:01.119
than her claiming that it was that it was previous

512
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.440
to Christmas Day, that that date had been altered and

513
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.799
backdated to another date after it had already been written in.

514
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:11.200
And how one would not confuse the likes of Christmas

515
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.519
when your loved one came home versus any other day

516
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:19.480
of the week, right, I mean, that's what's that.

517
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.039
Maybe the accident was in the hospital parking lot.

518
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.319
I could see Jack getting out the hospital. Woman, move over,

519
00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:29.240
I'm driving.

520
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.720
Either accident or he was in hospital.

521
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.519
Yeah, And I tend to believe that the insurance company

522
00:31:39.559 --> 00:31:42.880
does not have their date of loss wrong, and it

523
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:46.519
has even the injured parties on there. A tear Guitarras

524
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.160
and a Maria Lopez were the injured parties in it.

525
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:54.400
No, they're good crooks, they know they're good and sure.

526
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:58.359
Yeah, And the notification says, the investigation of your recent

527
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.240
accident has been completed. As you may know, the aboved

528
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:04.759
injured party retained an attorney to file acclaim against your policy. Therefore,

529
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:08.079
the file has now been reassigned to me to obtain

530
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:11.880
and investigate any medical wage information which your policy may

531
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:15.319
be legally obligated to pay. So it looks to me

532
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:20.039
like yep, it's being called his fault. And then in

533
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:23.200
Nora's diary on March twenty eighth, nineteen ninety seven, they

534
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:28.000
so they headed out on March twenty fourth to California

535
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.640
to pick up Dennis. On March twenty eighth, they left

536
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:35.079
Sacramento for Washington. March thirtieth, they went left Washington to

537
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.640
come back to California. So Jack is returning from California

538
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:41.400
to Texas. However, we have seen, well we just talked

539
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.440
about that back dating. I won't go back over that.

540
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:46.240
We do know that she is suffering from diabetes, so

541
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.480
maybe she is not quite right in the mind. At

542
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.000
the same time, we know that the diabetes did in

543
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:54.440
fact take a leg and her eyesight and some other

544
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.480
things which we'll talk about later. On April fifth of

545
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:00.920
nineteen ninety seven, Nora's diary indicates that have just returned

546
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.319
home from California and Washington for Easter. I also want

547
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.920
to note that from the John Bennet Ramsey Ransom note,

548
00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:11.400
to this point in time, I have no unsolved murders.

549
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.759
So while Jack's in the hospital and while you know

550
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.359
they're traveling and all of these things. We don't have

551
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.240
anything that is going on that I note as unsolved

552
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:24.960
or in the proximity of Jack at that point. And

553
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.359
then on April fourteenth, ninety seven, we see Jack's living

554
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.920
will and he calls himself John W. Terrence. So this

555
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.279
is the first time I see him call himself John,

556
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:37.400
and he's making a will under that name, which is

557
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:41.279
very odd because he's always called himself Jack. And you're

558
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:48.880
going to be even more shocked than right, Yeah, Jack, No, No,

559
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:51.599
Please don't confuse people. I don't want people to hear

560
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:57.720
that and think that his legitimate legal name is J. W. Terrence.

561
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.240
That's how he was born. That's how his military records

562
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.160
refer to him. Your military records are going to be

563
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:09.880
the true form of your legal name, period. You don't

564
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:17.079
get to just write down whatever Jade in quote correct.

565
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:17.480
He was.

566
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:22.719
He was born J. W. Terrence Junior, so he is

567
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.039
the second. His father was also born J. W. Terrence

568
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:33.000
but went by John. So this adaptation of John in

569
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.199
nineteen ninety seven is new. We haven't seen him use

570
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:39.840
John until this timeframe. He'd always used Jack, and I

571
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:42.760
think that was to differentiate himself between him and his father.

572
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:48.559
So Dad was John, he was Jack, right, So you're

573
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:51.320
gonna just die. I've never read the likes of this

574
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.639
type of a will before says to my family, my physician,

575
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.039
my lawyer, my clergyman, to any medical facility in whose

576
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.039
care I happened to be, to any individual who may

577
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.840
become responsible for my health, welfare, or affairs. Death is

578
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:09.039
as much a reality as birth, growth, maturity, and old age.

579
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.559
It is the only certainty of life. If the time

580
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.880
comes when I John W. Terrence Junior can no longer

581
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.639
take part in decisions of my own future, let the

582
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.639
statement stand as an expression of my wishes while I

583
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:25.000
am still of sound mind. If the situation should arise

584
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:27.239
in which I am internal state and there is no

585
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.679
reasonable expectation of my recovery, I direct that I be

586
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:33.280
allowed to die a natural death, and that my life

587
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:37.199
not be prolonged by extraordinary measures. I do, however, ask

588
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:41.239
that medication be mercifully administered to me to alleviate suffering,

589
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.840
even though this may shorten my remaining life. This statement

590
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:48.360
is made after careful consideration, and is in accordance with

591
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.519
my strong convictions and beliefs. I want the wishes and

592
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.239
directions here expressed carried out to the extent permitted by law,

593
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.800
in so far as they are not legally enforceable. I

594
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:01.519
hope that those two who whom this will is addressed

595
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:05.480
will regard themselves as morally bound by these provisions. If

596
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:07.920
it is permissible under the laws of the jurisdiction on

597
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:11.119
which I may be hospitalized, I direct that the physician

598
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:15.960
supervising my care, upon a terminal diagnosis, to discontinue hydration water,

599
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.079
should the continuation of hydration be judged to result in

600
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.880
unduly prolonging and natural death, if it is permissible under

601
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:26.559
the laws of the jurisdiction in which I may be hospitalized,

602
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:29.000
and direct that the physician supervising my care, upon a

603
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:33.719
terminal diagnosis, to discontinue feeding, should the continuation of hydration

604
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:37.599
be judged to result in unduly prolonging a natural death.

605
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:41.199
I herewith release any and all hospitals, physicians, and others,

606
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:44.159
both for myself and for my estate, from any and

607
00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:47.679
all liability for complying with this declaration to the fullest

608
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:52.559
extent provided by law. I herewith authorize my spouse, if any,

609
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:58.800
if any not Nora my wife, my spouse, if any

610
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:03.320
or any relative who is related to me within the

611
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.639
third degree, to effectuate my transfer from any hospital or

612
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.599
other healthcare facility in which I may be receiving care,

613
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.639
should that facility decline or refuse to effectuate the instructions

614
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.119
given here in So basically, he's saying, it's okay to

615
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:19.559
take me from that hospital if they're trying to prolong

616
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:21.000
my life.

617
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:23.280
Right, if they don't even let me die in beast

618
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:23.920
and move me.

619
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:31.719
But this kind of, you know, this kind of fits

620
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.800
in with Dennis making the claim that Jack pulled his

621
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:38.800
own oxygen telling Charles to go to Walmart. Go and

622
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.880
when you come back, I won't be here, and he

623
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:46.960
hastened his own death. So this actually helps to confirm

624
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.519
what Dennis stated that Charles told him that Jack and said,

625
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.400
which was I'm you know, I won't be here when

626
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:56.880
you get back, and then he subsequently hastened his own

627
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.880
death by pulling his own oxygen tubes. These are also

628
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.559
wearing odd odd ways of thinking. In my perception, I've

629
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:08.280
never seen a will written like this. It doesn't bequest anything.

630
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.000
This is more like an advanced healthcare directive. I guess, right,

631
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:17.239
but he's calling that uniform will right. And his writing.

632
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.800
I know that there wasn't no AI in chat GPT

633
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.480
out there, but this is some intelligent writing.

634
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:27.320
No, he's a highly.

635
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:31.320
Literate, highly literate, which makes that whole trying to dumb

636
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:34.400
himself down for the zodiac stuff where he spelled and

637
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.719
was able to spell really big words but then couldn't

638
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:44.679
spell something like control or Christmas or that definitely instills

639
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:46.480
the fact that he was empty.

640
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.360
That was a pattern. It was disguising.

641
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.559
Yeah, it was a ploy. He was trying to dumb

642
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.000
it down and make it look like he was illiterate

643
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.639
when he is very, very literate. I mean, I was

644
00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.719
quite impressed by the writing. I just was a little

645
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:02.239
shocked that it didn't bequest anything to anybody. It didn't

646
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:05.119
tell if anybody what to do with the disposition of

647
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.480
his property or anything else like that. It just basically says,

648
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:12.400
don't prolong my death, kill me. Basically, let me just die.

649
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.360
He was also a jack of all trades for being

650
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.880
like an inventor and a signing to this and a

651
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:21.559
computer genius. Then he able to take menial jobs too.

652
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:27.719
That's what's crazy. He was very It didn't make any sense. Yeah, well,

653
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.400
and at this point in nineteen ninety seven, I don't

654
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.599
believe we show him having had a job since I

655
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:40.440
think Arizona in ninety three ninety five. I wonder if

656
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:46.239
this is can you see this be my text wouldn't

657
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:50.519
go through bad service? Okay? So yeah, I'm just now

658
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.639
hearing from lindsay it looks like she was having some

659
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.760
problems with her phone and maybe she couldn't get on

660
00:39:56.039 --> 00:40:00.840
either way. So very very interesting that a himself John

661
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:06.559
b that he is. Really he's asking, you know, if

662
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.119
I'm bad, then just let me fade away, don't feed me,

663
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:11.800
don't drink me, don't that's just a really I don't

664
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:13.719
know can we even do that? Have we ever been

665
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:17.639
able to do that? Deprive so many of those things?

666
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.960
Well, generally they do whatever they care. They keep them

667
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:22.719
alive as long as they can.

668
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:28.400
Bet most people don't have directives like this.

669
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:29.760
This is very this is very.

670
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:32.679
This is very good Orkian.

671
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:41.239
Lfusian as well. What's that Malthusian He was an economist

672
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:45.519
based Oh let the poor guy they have to.

673
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:51.760
Oh dear all right, Well, and then we got we

674
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.599
have this Jack is on Nelda. So this is April

675
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:58.159
thirtieth and nineteen ninety seven. This is another it's a

676
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:02.159
Welcome to IDT quick Star guide and it's for the

677
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:07.840
let's see Internet Provider. So Jack is climbing onto the

678
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:11.280
Internet in nineteen ninety seven obtaining the songs.

679
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:13.480
That's early.

680
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:18.159
That's very early. Yeah, I mean I want to say

681
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:21.880
that in well, that's ninety seven. Yeah, I graduated in

682
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:24.840
ninety one. We did have computers. I feel like I

683
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:30.360
wasn't actively using email systems until late nineties, early two thousands.

684
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:34.920
It feels like, yeah, yeah, so yeah, he was on

685
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:35.360
top of.

686
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.000
It five years. Yeah, twenty five years or so.

687
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:40.920
And what with the expense of benn at this point

688
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:43.880
in time, since it wasn't, you know, being mass used

689
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:49.079
by most of society, there's going to how how how

690
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:51.440
I'm just saying he's at the top of his game

691
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:53.519
of whatever technology.

692
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:57.880
And attachment was to emails back then there was like facxes.

693
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.400
Yeah, and he had facts machine well before anybody else

694
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.400
did as well. Like this man was at the top

695
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:09.840
of the technology game and they're had to be away. Yeah.

696
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.960
So here's a comp USA service request he is sending in.

697
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:17.199
So this is just more proof that he has computer literacy,

698
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:21.920
and he purchased this computer system ninety five ninety six,

699
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:25.320
so even before the on, before climbing onto the internet.

700
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.519
But we've known he's always had computer capabilities all the

701
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.679
way back to Arizona in the early nineties. I think

702
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:35.840
we were still working in the early nineties. I'm trying

703
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.960
to think of when we started seeing like the computer bus.

704
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:42.519
I remember the computer bus coming around to the school,

705
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:46.960
and that's how we got our first, uh experience and

706
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:52.239
trial with the Oh I'm gonna forget the name of

707
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.599
that system. It was just the printing was green. You

708
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:00.119
were learning to actually make commands dosca bands? Was it?

709
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:00.920
Yeah.

710
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:04.199
I didn't even have a PC until after I graduated

711
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.679
from law school at eighty nine, and I think it

712
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:09.559
was my third year of law school is when they

713
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:12.880
set up the computer center at the law school so

714
00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:16.360
people without computers could go there and you know, compose

715
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:19.960
their documents and this and that. Like most people didn't

716
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:21.599
have their own computers in the.

717
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:28.039
Late eighties, exactly one. I completely agree with that, all right.

718
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:31.079
So July seventh, nineteen seventy seven, it looks like the

719
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.280
family once again heads from Texas to California until August

720
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:36.920
first of nineteen ninety seven. So that's that's a good,

721
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.039
you know month that he's gone, so again showing that

722
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:43.719
he's not working. During this diary entry, Nora mentions a

723
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.440
kitt and they had found at their home that was

724
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.320
identical to another cat they thought might be brothers. However,

725
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.800
that kitten was tiny and sick, as she puts it

726
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.960
in the diary, they nursed it back to health, and

727
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:58.159
Nora describes the kitten as tiny so as to explain

728
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:00.880
away Jack's reasoning as to why he didn't see the

729
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:04.400
kitten before smashing its head in the doorjam of their suburban.

730
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:09.760
Oh yeah, uh And and I don't know if she

731
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:13.599
often like rationalized or justified the things that Jack did.

732
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:15.840
But Jack has been known to kill the family animals.

733
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.679
He was said to have killed the neighbors animals like

734
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:22.039
this man did not care have any empathy for animals whatsoever.

735
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.320
So to say that he accidentally and I'm thinking a

736
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:28.519
Chevy suburban is is pretty high off the ground out

737
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:32.440
of this little se vehicle. Yeah, how did the sickly

738
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.639
little kitten get itself up into that door jam?

739
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:37.760
I don't know.

740
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.079
Let's see some of the stories that I remember about

741
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:47.760
animals was the neighbors. The story Jack told about the

742
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:49.000
hog farm.

743
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:50.760
Where he shot the dog or something.

744
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.440
But yeah, he shot the Yeah, he killed the neighbors dogs,

745
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:56.960
and I think that was plural. And then he told

746
00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:58.880
a story about a hog farm that he was on

747
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.119
that he lit up all all of them by putting

748
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:03.880
a ground wire into their trough and lighting it up

749
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:06.119
with electricity. So when he called them in for feed,

750
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.199
because they kept knocking them over, they kept messing with them,

751
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:11.920
the pigs did. So he was mad at these pigs.

752
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:17.280
So he basically hoped that I know, he hot wired

753
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.760
their trough and when they came to feed, he killed

754
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.679
off the entire lot. And he chuckled and said he left.

755
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.920
He left the farm before the owners had gotten home.

756
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:30.280
Ok.

757
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:36.679
It looks He stated that Dennis or Jack told Dennis

758
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.679
at one point in time that, Okay, I'm getting feedback

759
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:40.960
from you.

760
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:41.400
No one.

761
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:48.280
It said if Dennis, if Jack told Dennis that if

762
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.719
he would just kill something, they could be friends. Uh.

763
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:52.960
There's also family has reported to me that Jack had

764
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.639
killed the family pats in a previous marriage, and Dennis

765
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:59.519
described finding Jack with Charles's cat in a pillowcase about

766
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.199
to kill it. He's stubled upon Jack. So Jack's just

767
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:04.719
well known for killing animals. And hear Nora say like

768
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.840
it was an accident. I highly I disbelieve that it

769
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:11.079
was an accident. So now we start to see after

770
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:13.960
August first, when they return back to Texas, we start

771
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.880
to see murders pick up again. And again these are

772
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:21.760
just in proximity of where Jack is at and whether

773
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:24.360
or not Jack is capable of doing this or Jack

774
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:27.199
is even responsible for it. I just have them in

775
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.360
here because they are unsolved murders. But on August twenty

776
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:34.840
fifth of nineteen ninety seven, coincidentally, after this long break

777
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:39.039
of nothing, we start to have murders in Texas again.

778
00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:41.519
This one's in New Cane, Texas. It's a missing person,

779
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.320
a white male, six foot three inches, two hundred and

780
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.960
ten pounds, brown hair, blue eyes, and nickname of Kudakenta.

781
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:56.360
I don't know what that means. September one of nineteen

782
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:59.880
ninety seven entry and Nora's diary about Jack getting alone

783
00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:03.400
to move back to California. She has complaints about her

784
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:07.199
eyes again, which we saw that begin in nineteen ninety seven.

785
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:12.559
But this might be where the eyesight is starting to

786
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.719
be lost, and Nora says they will pull the travel trailer.

787
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:18.000
She must meet with the suburban. But then if Charles

788
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:20.920
is driving the small U haul, I questioned, who's driving

789
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.679
the Honda a Cord that is wrecked in December and

790
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:26.360
the Honda Civic that was driven back in December of

791
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:31.519
nineteen ninety seven. After Flova's funeral September sixth of nineteen

792
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.960
ninety seven, they moved back, moving back to California. In

793
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:37.840
Nora's diary, Flova is still in a senior home and

794
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.000
their plans are to go back and visit, and they

795
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:44.039
arrive in California on September tenth. I'm rather shocked that

796
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.719
in Flova's frail age, Jack wanted to move away. I

797
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.280
know Nora wanted to. I know Nora wanted to be

798
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.599
out of there, but I'm shocked that Jack would leave

799
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:56.639
her in that condition when he supposedly picked up and

800
00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:00.719
left a family holiday right in nineteen ninety seven, right

801
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:03.639
before the John Benny ramsay stuff to go back because

802
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.159
Mom was sick, And now he's just gonna up and

803
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.199
ski battle out of the state while she's at her

804
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.199
greatest point. It just doesn't really kind of make sense

805
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:18.960
to me. September. Well, No, obviously he's doing well. He's

806
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:20.280
driving all over the place.

807
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.440
Interesting, Well, he was in the hospital that year, right.

808
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.920
Yeah, yeah, they gave him a pacemaker. Though, once they

809
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:32.079
gave him the pacemaker and programmed the pacemaker, he evidently

810
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:35.719
good to go. Yeah, I mean's she's traveling. I don't

811
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:37.519
know too many people who are gravely ill that want

812
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.079
to be in a car locked up in a car

813
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.280
for you know, ten twelve hours at a time. September

814
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.159
sixteenth or nineteen ninety seven, they found a trailer space

815
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:49.519
on Wanton Auburn. This is the location that we discussed

816
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:53.000
that has now been occupied by the FBI, or across

817
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:58.760
the street became the FBI's headquarters in Sacramento. When they

818
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:04.079
finally open up an FBI office in Sacramento September twentieth

819
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.960
of nineteen ninety seven. Greater than a thirty year old

820
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:12.039
unidentified human skeletal remains at the thirty four hundred block

821
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.880
of Riley Fussel Road, Springs, Texas. It says citizen was

822
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:18.360
making a trail for a deer stand in a wooded

823
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:21.199
area in the thirty four hundred block of Riley Fussel Road,

824
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:25.119
approximately one point five miles north of Raeford Road. The

825
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:29.599
citizen observed a human school and notified the MCSO. Deputies

826
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:34.519
investigated and recovered additional human remains. Examination by experts revealed

827
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:37.480
that the school contained a bullet hole. A probable description

828
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:40.880
obtained was a white male greater than thirty years of age.

829
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:45.840
So again, this evidently was just unidentified remains, and it

830
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:47.960
did not actually give us an idea of when the

831
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:54.320
person was killed. Now we see here on Oh, I

832
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:56.079
don't think I have a date for this, but this

833
00:49:56.159 --> 00:49:59.320
is Jack actually selling a computer system. And I want

834
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.960
to say that this is probably before they left Texas,

835
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:07.960
because this ad in the newspaper is in a Texas newspaper. Again,

836
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:09.679
like I said, it doesn't have a date. It has

837
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:11.800
an expiration for a credit card, so it tells me

838
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.320
it clearly happened before the credit card had expired on

839
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:19.079
October thirty first of nineteen ninety seven, But I don't

840
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.599
know when it was sold. I'm just assuming at this

841
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:24.400
point that it was before they left.

842
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:29.000
We also last light the previous slide, I noticed it

843
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.760
said they found a trader part what an Auburn.

844
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:34.920
Yeah, I know that place.

845
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:39.880
Well, it's right by mcarnit. I've been by there one

846
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:40.840
hundred times.

847
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:45.639
Okay, so maybe I'm trying to think now what Auburn Okay, yeah, no, no,

848
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:48.840
I'm talking about So this is this is not the

849
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:51.159
one where the FBI set up because that was on

850
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:57.119
Orange Orange Grove and was it Man's in. No, that's

851
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:00.920
that's an Auburn. Okay, So he's he's been at two

852
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:05.079
different Auburn locations. One is now one is more closer

853
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:08.639
to American River College, which is where the FBI set up. Yes,

854
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:13.800
maybe that was a nice too, right, that was the

855
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:16.360
nineteen I woult to say, maybe more than nineteen seventy

856
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:18.760
nine trailer park he was in. So now he's at

857
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:22.360
the Wotton Auburn, which is closer to eighty right.

858
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.719
Right, yes, by that ampm right there.

859
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:31.599
Yeah, okay, yes, all right. Here we actually see the

860
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:34.280
money order where Jack is paying back the loan that

861
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.119
he took to move to California. But I want everybody

862
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:39.800
to take note because as I said, he is using

863
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:42.840
multiple versions. So he went from making his will on

864
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:46.039
April of nineteen ninety seven, that said John W. Terrence.

865
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:48.719
He is now taken out a loan with Beneficial Bank

866
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:51.440
for well, I don't think it tells me what the

867
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.360
overall amount was, but it was alone to move back

868
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.519
to California. And the name under it is he's purchasing

869
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:02.280
from his own account out at Wells Fargo under the

870
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:07.440
name Jack Torrance t O R R A NCEE. And

871
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.639
that was one of the names he was convicted under, right,

872
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:13.639
But that was one of the names he was convicted under,

873
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:18.280
and likely the reasons why my private investigators couldn't run

874
00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:20.480
a background check and show that he'd never committed any

875
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.320
crimes because the names that they were looking for was

876
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:25.920
not the names that he was ever convicted under. So

877
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:28.760
when I looked at this money order and it shows

878
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:31.559
that it is a personal money order from Wells Fargo Bank,

879
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:35.519
it also shows purchaser's account number, so he has an

880
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:38.360
account with them, So he's opened an account for the

881
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:50.360
name Jack Torrances. Again, it's just showing all of these

882
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:52.440
multiple different uses of names.

883
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:56.159
Well use the chameleon.

884
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:03.440
Yeah, yuh, did we just overshoot? We are completely over

885
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:07.760
We need to quiver overshot way overshot? All right, you guys,

886
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:10.719
we will pick up where we left off today, next

887
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:13.639
week on Friday. Thank you Nolan again for being here.

888
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:18.719
Everybody have a wonderful I know how all right. I'll

889
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:35.760
talk to you guys soon. A great week everyone,