Feb. 6, 2026

Cryptography Systems and Jack 1997

Cryptography Systems and Jack 1997
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Zodiac Killer boasted that his first and only cipher that was decrypted was rather simple in comparison to subsequent secret messages. We will look at the various systems taught by a Forensic Document Examiner. It is apparent that without a key, one would not be able to solve any further ciphers without it. So, this means Zodiac was communicating with someone that did. Nora’s diary holds some keys to Jack’s whereabouts and disposition as we move into 1997.

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Good Morning, True Seekers and True crime Junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I would like to welcome to the SHO Show today.

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Nolan del Campo, Good morning everybody. Good morning. Any big

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news this week, any great cases?

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No, but I did just Homeland security last week. But

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then two days later or Tuesday, there was a huge

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article in the b about how the government in the

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US Attorney's Office is using a new tactic to basically

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eliminate the asylum program. And that's happen with my client.

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They basically say, if the United States government has an

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agreement with these other countries they're willing to exchange people

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that they don't have to send them back to their

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own homeland, but they could still deport them to a

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different country and let them apply from asylum, say from

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Honduras or or somewhere like that.

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And so what is the purpose for them taking that away? Obviously,

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this whole.

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Crown skinned people, I don't know.

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A brown skinned person. We've We've brought in plenty of

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people from Russia, we brought in plenty of people from

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I mean.

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Well, here's the deal.

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Latin America, because there's a lot of oppressive governments down there, rightly.

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From Central America. This particular woman who was from.

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Guatemala, and what was she running from.

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Oppression in Guatemala and fear for her life and her family.

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But couldn't anybody just say that and seek asylum, whether

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it's true or not.

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Yes, so Guaateemala's record on human rights is atrocious, so

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it's but anyway, she doesn't have a chance to prove

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it now because they're not going to allow her to

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even argue that. Yeah, the policy is called pretermination, and.

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So what they're sending them to other countries are back

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to their own countries.

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They'll send them to these other countries or they can

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voluntarily depart.

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To their own country, so they have options. I mean, yeah,

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but I know that sucks.

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But asylum.

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How long has she been here?

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Four years?

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Oh? Okay, there's so much to think about anymore these days,

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it seems like, well, that brings me into obviously, some

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of the research that I done, had done this last week,

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and in my in my research, I was well, actually,

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it was a class that I was taking on handwriting,

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and we were talking about the industries that see the

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biggest percentages of fraud. Which one do you think it is?

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What?

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Because, yes, the largest industry that is defrauded by fraud,

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I have no idea. I kind of giggled at it

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because it's the insurance company, which I feel like, obviously

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that that's that's paid protection, that's mafia. That's mob. That's

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the people who used to loan the mob money, right

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because banks wouldn't do it so that they could get

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themselves up and running in casinos and doing all that

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kind of stuff. So when I think about the origin

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of insurance or paid protection, it emanates from the mob

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moves into the unions and then insurances and oh, my goodness,

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I don't know. I just I got to take a

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out of it, simply because how much we've talked about

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what the insurance companies have done for people like the

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mob and other nefarious memes. Good morning, Lindsay.

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Good morning.

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Yeah.

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I know, like so much is going on lately that

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like I had to change my like my logo up

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a little bit channels because it's like a freaking it's

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like chaos and it's like psychotic information everywhere, and it's

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like I don't know, like that's why I was like, Okay,

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I'm going.

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With this for no disinformation. I have like literally taken

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a break from Facebook for almost a month and a half.

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It's been very, very limited the amount of time I

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spend on it, either to promote my show or I

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wanted to see something that came across by email specifically.

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But the rhetoric and the this information in the media

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warfare has got me so like I don't even want

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to get on anymore because I can't even make it

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through like two posts without seeing some crap.

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That's well, yeah, I've been disconnected with Facebook, but I

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still have it there and I get on there check

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for different like just to check on friends mostly once

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in a while. But once I actually completely like took

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that step and like literally stopped looking at it all

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the time and almost just like a couple of times

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a month. It's like you don't even know how like

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fresh you bill, it's crazy.

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And it's funny. You say you were checking on friends.

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But I received a text message from a that I'd

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met out in Ireland and she was like, in now,

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where have you been? You haven't you been here? You

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haven't been like posting funny stuff where you okay? Like yeah,

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I'm just sick of the freaking political bull crap and

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the misinformation and all the feeds. I mean, social media

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is now the biggest. I mean they say that people

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pay more attention to social media for their news because

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they don't trust the news, but they don't seem to

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realize that everything in social media is either AI or

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it it's crap, it's rhetoric. In fact, I wanted to

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talk about that video you just set me in regards

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to the ADL because I'm going to climb into that

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with the Ghosts of Mississippi, but I couldn't. I would

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love to play these kind of things and send them on,

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but the problem is is that it looks like so

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many areas have been cut and clipped for it to

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appear that they're saying the things they're saying that I

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can't trust it. Does that make sense?

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Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, he actually did

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quote on the video that he where he got the

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clips from. He did credit then, uh whatever, whoever shot

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those videos.

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So I thought that was a little bit better.

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Sure, you know, assuring as if it like he you know,

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that's where he got it from. So I could just

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go back to that you know, platform to see just

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to verify it, you know, if I see.

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How he sourced it. Yeah, I mean basically the entire

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gist of it was a technology the Eighth Wars with

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they're coin it basically, uh, spying on people and watching

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their social media posts and suing people who have podcasts

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that talks against the ad L or against Jewish people.

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But I don't have a problem with any person, any culture,

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any race, just the bad people of them. And I

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know if we just exactly, if we just say this,

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that or the other, then that kind of clumps and

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globalizes and includes everybody, when you know, there are lots

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of good people in every race and culture out there.

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So that's what really kind of got me on there

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with the Ghost of Mississippi because we just got done

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talking about how the ad L would make their own

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hate agenda, right, they would do some propaganda that would

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get another party upset, somebody would die, then they'd get

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this other party to go and kill over here. And

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they were creating this mass chaos that caused everybody who

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was Jewish to believe that they didn't continue to fund

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this company and make make money for these people, that

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they would not have any protection. And they had. Actually,

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I want to say in that clip said they took

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out a five million dollar lawsuit against a podcaster who

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was speaking out against them. Idea that's insane.

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Mistakes they linked to is to equate any criticism of

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net Yahoo or Israel and to mean you're anti Semitic

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or you don't like Jews.

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That's not the cause, what's whoever?

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It isn't exactly, but they're going to turn it into that.

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Yeah they no, you're anti Semitic.

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Yeah yeah, but I've been giving a name when I

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don't hate any of you. I just don't like bad people.

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I mean, and I speak that very loudly. Who reccurds

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to every culture and race. It doesn't matter what you are.

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If you're bad, you're bad.

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They do it to Tucker Carlson on a daily Like

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Tucker Crosson has said many times, he's like, you know,

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it's not it's not it's not as a whole, it's

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the ones inside that are corrupt and blah blah blah.

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So every but every time he points something out, whether

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it's about nine to eleven or you know this person

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doing this crime, they always they literally will make a

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post about him, and it's insane. He's like the number

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one that he's still fighting against it and still speaking

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his truth about everything in disarray of whatever they say,

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you know, which is new though.

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This takes a lot of strength to do. You guys

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remember that propaganda that they put out, and I want

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to say it was some time after nine to eleven,

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of course, when they were trying to alleviate the fear

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of East Indians because of course the United States tried

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to put this on the East Indians, this you know,

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terrorist attack, and so they started taking out things from

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movies where they were portraying either Jewish people, black people

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or or East Indians from from looking like they are

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the villains in movies. Do you remember that stuff that

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was going on?

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You know, you have a specific movie that.

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Well So, for instance, I watched Ghosts of Mississippi. It

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was made by Rob Reiner, and of course he just

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recently passed, right, yeah, yeah, But obviously, being Jewish in

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the movie industry, he puts out this movie ghost to Mississippi,

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which was on Meger evers Ever's Meedgar Evers was murdered

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by a white guy, and one of the clips was

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actually a Jewish person saying they didn't like Niggers or Jews.

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And I was like, oh my god, well, yeah, who

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puts this? I mean, you're creating that hate facade in

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this media. You're portraying to people that we should hate

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these people. They used to portray, you know, Saudi Arabians

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as these villains on camels with swords and they're devils

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and they're this and there that, and this is the

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media that was doing this, and we're not in charge

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of the media, but we do know who is. So

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why would you do then put that out there, but

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then try to take back later And now you can't

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even touch a movie where there isn't some Jewish reference

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that's being pushed at you, whether it's you know, they're

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wearing the amicas or there's the Jewish star behind it. There,

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they're making it extremely clear what their agenda is to

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promote in these movies. And before it was hatred, and

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now you want to clean it up and say that

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we shouldn't be the ones hating. Why would you make

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a movie like that? Why would you make their statements?

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I just it's like the energy that they they feed

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off of. They feed for that energy, and then once

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they get you in that state of mind, of emotion

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of anger, then they have you right where they want you. Yeah,

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and then it just gives it that opportunity to lash

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out to you. It gives them that.

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Right, and then if you talk out or speak out

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against it, now you're an anti Semitic. I'm just at

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a loss for the game that they're playing with us psychologically,

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but we do know that it is psychological war. For so,

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we had some comments on the show last week that

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actually came in in the comments section of the live show,

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and it was at grunge nineties music. He says, my

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suspicions tell me Don Cheney after watching the two thousand

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and seven documentary, Can somebody please tell me the two

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thousand and I don't know why he said documentary because

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I want to say that Zodiac was a movie in

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two thousand and seven, but there could have been more documentaries.

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I haven't watched or didn't cat but a two.

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Thousand a day, Yeah, I did to go back and look,

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look good thing.

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Right, see what see what lies they're telling you at

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that point, and how they've changed or evolved over the years.

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That's kind of what I feel like I do.

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Oh yeah, that's why I watch every single one, just

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because of any case, because I've tried. I'm always trying

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to see what parallels I could pull out or what

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changes I can pull out, because that's how you know.

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It's a prime indicator of deception in their story.

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Now, and who is Don Chaney? I know that he's

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somebody in politics, but oh don Jon.

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I thought it Cheney. But I don't know who Don

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Jenney is.

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I don't either, so maybe that's a real person and

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not a politician. I think it was like they were

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trying to say Chris Christy or Doug Christie or whoever

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that Christy guy was another politician was the Zodiac as well.

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But anyways, he continues on to say, I feel like

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he knew he wasn't going to be around for long.

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I might have to actually now look at Don Cheney,

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because I saw the last name, I just figured it

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was a politician. And then at Jacob Shulti seven nine

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oh seven. He's the one that commented last week in

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regards to Jack Terrence not having enough letters to meet

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the Z thirteen criteria, and he said, you can do that.

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Well.

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I had responded back that Jack actually does fit if

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you include his middle initial, which he consistently used all

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of his life, and he says you can do that

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with any suspect. Just saying Ed Edwards's thirteen characters as

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well doesn't mean anything, and he's right, it's exactly. It

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does not mean anything these solves these people are coming

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up with, because it's literally I'm going to show you

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through this cryptography how impossible it would be unless you

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actually had the solve, to be able to even come

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to any type of a conclusion in these messages without

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a key. But what it does mean to me is

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that I could not rule Jack out. So in my

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travels through this case, my goal was to hopefully hit on,

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find some piece of information or get some evidence that

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would support Jack Terrance. Could not No way is he

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the zodiac, and not only have I not been provided

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by all the naysayers like Mike Moreford or Tom Voyd

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or Orangeak or any of these people who want to,

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you know, dig deadis up out of the grave and

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call him a liar once again for frauding evidence. He

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didn't fraud. Not once have they come out and actually

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brought me any evidence. And that's what this whole case

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is supposed to be about. I mean, I'm out here

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producing it for the public. You're welcome to come in

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and chime in anytime you like, but show us how

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it can't be. Don't don't bash the people who are

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delivering the message, because once again, my whole goal was

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to try and rule Jack out, and every step of

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the way, all I could do is rule him back in.

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So yeah, it's funny that they brought up Edward Edwards

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because not many people talk about Edward Edwards, and I

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found a lot of stuff on him, and so that's

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kind of weird that he points that one out, because

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I don't see that often, and.

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I feel like ed Edwards was somebody that another a

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document examiner in the industry, had backed. Only he able

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to realize that the handwriting. He was making the comparison

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to the Zodiac notes was actually the minister of a

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wedding because he was using a marriage certificate that is

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ultimately never filled out by the parties. They may sign it,

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but we don't fill it out. It's filled out and

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officiated by the person who's handling the marriage. So he

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ended up getting burnt in the butt by that one

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and be interested Edward.

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It was a very very prominent criminal. He did kill

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me multiple people. He was very very He was like

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a Ted Bundy kind of dude. On the he was

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like on these game shows on television and just smiling

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like he's just like a superstar. And then you don't

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killing people at the same time.

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So he was starting, I just don't feel like a

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serial killer does these type of things. Tell me another

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one that goes on talk shows, Tell me another one. Exactly.

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It just doesn't. It just doesn't equate in my mind, Like,

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you have better things to play. I'm like your next murder.

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Yeah.

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Oh man, I was a mind boggling on that one, because,

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like if you go back and look at those videos,

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it's hilarious to watch because you're like, are you kidding me?

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Yeah? What and I did see some of them. So

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so back to cryptography The Science of Secret Writing by

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Jack H. Schultz, a question document examiner who appears to

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have taught this class. The key that he's using in

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it is the University of Chicago, which is what we

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talked about last week. So I always thought that was

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extremely interesting. Since we're talking about Jack, we know that

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Jack has his experience with Chicago, Illinois, and we know

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I'm sorry, Reno, if you're watching this Illinois, let me

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make sure I don't pronounce that ass. I mean damned

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if I'm you know, wrong, every time there's a letter

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that doesn't belong in a word. So I throw it

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up here because I thought some of these systems were

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very consistent with the scorpion letters and these ciphers that

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were sent to John Walsh. And when I look at these,

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it's very obvious that there's no duplicative symbols, which is

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obviously what they talk about when they talk about multi

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transposition or multi substitution ciphers where they use more than

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one particular symbol, say they use five different symbols for

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the letter E. That way you can't map out how

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many e's are in there because eb and the largest

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letter in the alphabet or the largest letter used in

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the English language means that you should see more ease,

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and it would make it easy to crack somebody's code

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by figuring out how many you know, what was the

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largest used symbol in there that equates to ease. Now

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you start breaking it down from there, and I'm pretty

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sure that's how the Hardens did it. They probably went

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with the notion that, you know, double symbols are going

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to indicate double letters, and we're going to see that

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in here, so let me stop talking. It says introductions,

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check books, laborat where we notes, computer programs, and blueprints

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are among the many sensitive materials each of us and

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create and use every day. Naturally, it isn't so much

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the physical objects themselves which are of value, as it

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is the information each contains. Valuables are most easily lost

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in transition or in transit, and when data is hijacked,

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it is usually the in transmitted or transported. At the time,

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codes and ciphers were invented to assure the security of

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information in transit. Historically, these there have been hundreds of

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ways to keep secret the letters and messages of statesmen, generals,

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and traders. In each area era, once a certain level

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of literacy is reached, cryptology is born annew In each age,

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the means of transmitting and guarding information has been determined

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by the technology of the time. While Julius Caesar used

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a simple rule of substitution, the Confederate State issued theirs

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five machined grass wheels for inciphering telegrams. This is the

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computer age. The electronic devices, which are affordable to anyone,

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make it possible total recall of information and rapid process

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sname of data. They also make it possible the creation

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of code so complex yet so simple to use that

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the social structure of the twenty first century will be

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in part determined by the outcome of this trend toward

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computerization of all information transfer.

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Here right, and so we should be able to figure

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it out at this point like at this like you

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know no, well, And I think that that's why Orangchack

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ultimately developed his computer program where he gave everybody a

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shot and try it solving the three forty.

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I do see the system inside this packet that I believe.

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Orangechac claims that the three forty was created with But wait,

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till you get into this. You guys, this is just crazy.

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So here is one particular sense, and this is of

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course an entry code. This is a way to disguise numbers,

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Like if you had a passcode or something like that,

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you could simply break down the squares after inserting your

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numbers in the direction you want. And keep in mind,

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those don't have to run one, two, three, four, five, six.

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They could run absolutely back backwards one two three and

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then onward and zigzag or even move in a pattern

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that is not consistent with straight left to right reading

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and like pretty much. And then once you actually map

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out those sections of that what is this the tic

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tac toe game? Right, Let's call it that because that

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for our listeners it looks like you're starting a game

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of tic tac toe. Then you're going to enter a

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number in each one of these sections. And then once

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you've determined what your passcode is going to be, you

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would break those sections off the tic tac toe and

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you would get like your right angles, your left angles,

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you get your symbols that look like a staple, and

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to the left, to the right, and so on and

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so forth to create that actual code. But again, somebody

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would have to know that what you're using is this

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key in order to determine what those were on the

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other end. Now, when I look at the John Walsh

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the scorpion, what letters. Look, here's one of those symbols.

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Here's another one of those symbols. Here's more. They're kind

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of all over the place in here. Let's see, there's

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more down here. So we are definitely seeing this type

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of a symbol system in the scorpion letters. Now the

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Spartan cylinder is again we see University of Illinois. Sorry,

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I said University of Chicago. It's University of Illinois. The

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first type of scientific cryptogram developed by early Greeks is

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the block pattern. So basically, you go out one two

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three four five at the top, one two, three four

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five on the left, and then you enter in your alphabet.

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And in this particular case, the alphabet is actually reading downward,

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so it doesn't go abc to the right. It goes

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abc down and then it goes back to the top

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for the f under number two and then works its

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way back down, so it's kind of a zigzag pattern.

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But again, you could arrange these letters in here however

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you want, as long as the other side has the key,

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they're going to be able to figure it out. Basically,

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the University of Illinois at Chicago broke down to these

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particular numbers because when you when you're using an A,

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you're using the number eleven. You're using an F, you're

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using the number twelve. So you're combining the numbers on

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the left and at the top to create which whichever

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numeric value for that particular letter. And I serves as J.

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I've seen this before, I wanted. I'm not sure whose

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solve it was in. I want to say that it

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might have been Lauren swearing him and Harriet's where they

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believed I served as J. And and I don't know

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if Harriet has ever personally seen something like this particular pamphlet,

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because again, it looked like something more personal that somebody

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had kept versus something that was mass produced.

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Is Harriet just self taught.

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Uh kind of? I think that between learning Dennis, Dennis

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taught her Jack's system. Then she her father was also

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a maritime Uh they're not civilian, it's military, but yeah,

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merchant marine, sorry, and so he was aware of some

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of these things, so she learned some of this. I

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guess really up and then there was the addition to

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how Jack did things. And then of course in the end,

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I think that she just kind of picked the system

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that she felt that Jack would use, but we can

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see that he didn't always use the same system. So

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I get a little leary sometimes, especially when we can't

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prove up how her solves were solved when she's continuously

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using exactly the same system instead of multiple systems or

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different systems. They also have the Caesar's substitution method, which

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is basically, you're going to assign whatever letter to whatever

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letter that you want it to conceal. And again you're

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going to need to know what these letters are substituted

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to in order to solve that. So there was the

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Julian cipher. Here, here was the Augustine cipher. Then we

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had substitution code. So it basically showed you how to

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use words to create a ad I would guess in

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a newspaper to determine what it is that the person

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is trying to say. So something that in the newspaper

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would say, dear Bill, thanks for the parent love Lisa

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really broke down to nine am Saturday, lake View Motel.

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So that's the message you put in the newspaper if

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you wanted to get him across to the other side.

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They but of course then also need to know that

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Bill equals nine am, Bob equals ten am, Fred equals

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eleven am. They have to know these things.

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Okay, So, Nanette, that makes me wonder if those numbers

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I found a few months ago that were on Jack's

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phone bill that I looked up and found the newspaper,

465
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:50.720
if those were those type of things where he could

466
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:53.200
call that number and it would give him a message,

467
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.559
give me some type Yes, it would give him some

468
00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:58.640
type of key or message, just like you're talking about.

469
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:04.160
Yeah, that was my supposition. I really kind of thought

470
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.759
that if he was making that phone call, it first off,

471
00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:09.519
he'd have to know that to look for those particular ads,

472
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:11.559
and then second off, he would have to know a

473
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:13.680
call to get the key in order to decipher what

474
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:17.000
that said. I don't know if there's any way to

475
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.480
backtrack that. It maybe something I play around with after

476
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:23.640
I'm done studying this whole cryptography thing. But aside from

477
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:26.400
the substitution cipher, so we had substitution code and then

478
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.160
we have substitution cipher once again. But then they have

479
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:34.400
also how to embed a message from within a book.

480
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:38.559
So a cipher is a system of substitution and or transposition.

481
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:43.759
And Webster's New World Dictionary of American Language, you would

482
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:46.240
code it with the page number, the column number, and

483
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:49.200
the word number. And when I did that and look

484
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:52.480
this up, so we have we have page number two

485
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.519
fifty seven. Call them one, I'm sorry, call them two,

486
00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:00.680
word number twelve. So you went down twelve and guess

487
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.680
what boom? You come up with the definition in the

488
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:08.039
World's New World Webster's New World Dictionary of American Language

489
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.680
that tells you about a cipher and its purposes. This

490
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:14.640
is how they would use books. Then you get a

491
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:19.160
numerical value that includes page number, column if there's columns,

492
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:22.000
I'm sure, and then the word number. So you're going

493
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:24.400
to go down and that I think that alludes to

494
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.799
the FBI making the comment that there was the last,

495
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.920
first and last word of these messages from the zodiac

496
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:35.440
that they were looking at to create. But Lauren Swerringham

497
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:42.039
did after he collected every eleventh, every eleventh, every I'm sorry,

498
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:46.680
every even line, he collected the first and last word

499
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:48.559
of it and came up with a message that talked

500
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.599
about basically mk ultra needing more work and these other

501
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.880
things that he solved out of that. So that is

502
00:27:55.160 --> 00:28:01.359
very consistent with some of these systems. Again, here's another one.

503
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.640
This is the position cipher. Again it starts with the

504
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:08.319
tic tac toe, but then you have these additional x's

505
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:12.799
that are included. You also have them with dots arranged

506
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.160
inside of the tic tac toe, and then you again

507
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.839
have the X that has the dots positioned in it. Now,

508
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.920
once you fill out in each area of the tic

509
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:25.319
tac toe and the X march, you fill out the

510
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:28.680
actual letters. Again, you have to know where these letters

511
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:30.880
lay in here in order for it to make any sense.

512
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.119
Otherwise you're still not going to come up with anything.

513
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:36.920
But now you can see how they pull these out.

514
00:28:37.079 --> 00:28:39.440
So we have this staple mark it looks like a

515
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:42.880
staple to me, with a dot in the center, and

516
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.480
that comes from the tic tac toe that had dots

517
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:49.359
in it. Now, let's take a look again at the

518
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:54.160
ciphers to John Walsh, and we can clearly see all

519
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:58.359
of these. Here's these X marks again with dots at

520
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.279
different levels inside of them, and you can go through

521
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:03.240
and you can find them pretty much all over here.

522
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:05.759
I want to say, there's also let's see, oh, here's

523
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:11.160
the left word facing V with the dot in the center.

524
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:14.119
That is definitely one of the symbols that are used

525
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:17.519
in this particular ciphering message. So now we can see

526
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:22.720
that there's at least two different styles of cipher coating

527
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.200
that's been used in John Walsh's stuff. And we also

528
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.240
see some consistency with some of the stuff that we're

529
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:32.039
seeing in the Dama lass, which even more can even

530
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.200
more confirms that if this was a reward letter, that

531
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:37.839
is to reach out to somebody, you could only be

532
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:42.240
asking the suspect to solve this particular thing. Nobody else

533
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:44.200
in the public was going to be able to solve this.

534
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:48.599
I don't even know if I've seen a solve on

535
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:53.319
this other than Lauren Swaringham and Harriet. So they are

536
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.680
definitely communicating with a system that they are completely aware

537
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.039
of that they know he has as well. And again

538
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:02.119
this tells me that the media is facilitating back and

539
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:07.200
forth between the Zodiac and the powers that be. Here's

540
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:10.200
another one. This is another one. I went, WHOA, we

541
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:13.880
have position and shadow ciphers. So it looks like a clock,

542
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:19.000
does it not? Yeah, got the one, two, three, four, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,

543
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:20.640
twelve all the way around. Made me want to go

544
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.400
back and visit the different positions and markings on the

545
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:28.200
zodiac symbols that we saw. But it also got into

546
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:32.000
these other odd boxes, so it looks like a four square,

547
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.319
and then these four squares could actually have slants in

548
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:38.839
them that would create some vs in different directions and

549
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:42.359
break it breaks the box up into multiple different ways

550
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.079
of being able to use just these box symbols for

551
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.599
all the letters of the alphabet. And then I moved

552
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:49.240
to the right guy about fell out of my chair

553
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:53.759
because this is the Boosball system that was not available

554
00:30:53.759 --> 00:31:01.200
to the public. It was Alan Alan, I want to say, Hayes,

555
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:04.240
but I don't know if I'm right. Booze. It was

556
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:08.319
a three name war defense company that used these particular

557
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:11.200
symbols as a way to indicate whether or not they're contracts,

558
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:15.079
what level their contracts had been completed. You go, So

559
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.359
some of these areas that look like they're chunked out

560
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:19.720
of the circle would actually be colored in and darkened.

561
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:22.319
Here they're just giving you kind of a stick figure

562
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:25.079
version of it, with no blackening of any of the sides.

563
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.680
But let's go back over here now to once again

564
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:32.359
John Walsh's cipher. Look here, guys, we've got all of

565
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.559
the booze ball systems that was used originally in the

566
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:38.039
Zodiac ciphers, but now we see them popping up in

567
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:41.799
John Walsh's ciphers as well. That makes system number three

568
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:47.640
and in reality, system number four. Because this four four

569
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:49.920
square boxes that we see going on here, we can

570
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:52.400
see right here, here's a four square box with two

571
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:58.119
dots in it. Here's another but it's got an X

572
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:00.240
with two dots, so it's still.

573
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:00.640
We see X.

574
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:05.119
Yeah. Yeah, So now we're onto what did I just say?

575
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:09.440
Now we're on to number four. Four different systems of

576
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:13.240
symbols that are being used in this single cipher. Here's

577
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.400
another one which I do think that there is some

578
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.519
credibility in this as far as the triangles are concerned

579
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.119
with the different dots, because we see different triangles that

580
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.319
have dots on the points. We have slash mark through

581
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:27.960
one left side. We've got them with dots on the

582
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.039
points and then a dot in the center. So there

583
00:32:30.160 --> 00:32:32.880
is kind of this new pyramid code that I was

584
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:36.000
looking at, which then allocates a letter to each level

585
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.680
of the pyramid, and then you encrypt that with the

586
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:44.759
double letter that is found inside the box, so the

587
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.200
D is actually a N. This makes it even more

588
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:50.880
complicated to determine what the author's saying, because now he's

589
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:57.759
used double the amount of symbols in order to create

590
00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:01.160
a message that's only half its size. And again without

591
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.960
that key, I can't imagine anybody being able to figure

592
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:09.519
that out. Yeah, we have double transposition. So here it

593
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:14.680
gets even heavier. K one is here's the cipher key

594
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:16.480
from K one and then you have to go down

595
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:25.240
here and find let's see where I would find K one. Oh,

596
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:27.039
it could have marked that out ahead of him. Oh no,

597
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:34.240
this is the same University of Illinois at Chicago, so that

598
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:40.279
was a little bit larger. Oh okay, so here's the encryption.

599
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.279
So here's the message University of Illinois at Chicago. And

600
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.759
it breaks down to you once you use the system

601
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:49.839
that they've plotted out up here into these letters, which

602
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.839
again means absolutely nothing. And what if the person doesn't

603
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:54.680
even break them up, you wouldn't even know it was

604
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.920
a five square box or a six square box. Because

605
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.720
this when we look at the zodiac stuff, it's all combined.

606
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.599
It doesn't give us a break or space. It doesn't

607
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.360
tell us when we should start and stop and carry

608
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:15.039
on with another word. Again, just very complicated. Then we

609
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:18.920
have multiple cipher substitution code, which we talked a little

610
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:21.119
bit about in the beginning of this. And here's your

611
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.719
plain text at the top, which is your alphabet. But

612
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:26.599
then you've got cipher one, Cipher two, cipher three, cipher four,

613
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.440
So you have four different letters for the letter A,

614
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:32.840
q z LT. Now it's going to make finding those

615
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.079
a's far more complicated because they've been assigned for different symbols.

616
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.440
We also have routing patterns, so you have the simple

617
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:45.800
horizontal that moves from left to right or from right

618
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:52.039
to left, or from bottom to top again left to

619
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:55.079
right and then right to left, from bottom to top.

620
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.440
In the simple horizontal, simple vertical just runs down the

621
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.800
columns A, B, C, D, move back to the top

622
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.199
to E. But this can also be backwards, as in

623
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.599
number two, and it could also run from bottom to

624
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:09.960
top and top to bottom again in three and four

625
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:16.280
alternate horizontal, which is basically moving in the same direction

626
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:21.800
but then backwards, almost as if well we haven't seen

627
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.559
I haven't seen anything in here where they actually transposed

628
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:27.519
the actual symbol, which we've seen the zodiac do a

629
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.159
lot of reverse the R, reverse the K, reverse the P,

630
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.400
this kind of thing. But it does have the the

631
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:37.960
the alternate horizontal, which moves in a completely different pattern.

632
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:41.519
You also have what they called the mind reading word code.

633
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.719
I thought this one was extremely interesting. It's interesting. So

634
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:49.079
you literally assign a word to a letter. So A

635
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:54.239
equals you as in you, B equals how C equals

636
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.079
now D equals the So by the time you've messaged

637
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.519
out University of Illinois at Chicago, though, it says our

638
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:08.039
all who for hit not may who get put has all? Now?

639
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:10.119
Of course they're very nice and they give us the spaces.

640
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:13.360
I don't think you'd see this in a typical cipher,

641
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:19.639
but whole let who all has who may you get

642
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:24.800
now at who now you was has? You'd get that

643
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:27.519
message and have to have the key in order to

644
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:32.199
determine that it says University of Illinois at Chicago. Then

645
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:36.440
we have alphabet blocking, and that blocking can happen on

646
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.719
any level. This one is actually a five y five.

647
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:43.679
This one that we see here is a nine by nine,

648
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.880
but the left the left the downward motion gives you

649
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:51.679
actually three options. So A could be thirty one, it

650
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:54.079
could be sixty one, it could be ninety one, and

651
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:58.880
that gives you multiple substitutions options there. And then as well,

652
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:01.360
you can see here they've taken some of the most

653
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:07.159
used letters in cryptography and they've assigned one, two, three, four, five,

654
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:11.960
six different numerical values to it, so that it could

655
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.519
literally read ninety one, eighty one, seventy one, sixty one,

656
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.519
fifty one, forty one for the letter E. And then

657
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:21.159
on the second line, the second most used letters are

658
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.960
assigned two different symbols, and then finally the least used

659
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.840
symbols are assigned one number value altogether, so P would

660
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:32.880
be eleven, Q would be twelve, so on and so

661
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:35.199
forth down the line with those last letters.

662
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.679
So it seems like to me, this is very This

663
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.400
is like the same kind of pattern used in Jamatria,

664
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:46.440
when you have the alphabet and then you have these

665
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.360
the numbers that are assigned to each letter in order

666
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:55.280
to create so like you have like a certain name,

667
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:58.880
like like I could put your name Nanette into into

668
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:04.760
the Mantreas system and it would create different things like

669
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.800
almost kind of like not. Sometimes it's sentences, sometimes it

670
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:14.039
sphrases things like that. So that's another cryptic.

671
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:18.960
Software. I was kind of seeing if you're going to

672
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:20.559
go over that, if he had that in this book

673
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:23.000
about your mind. Yeah, I was just going to say,

674
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.079
sometimes you read my mind, and sometimes you are two

675
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.400
steps ahead of me. I do. Okay, So we also

676
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:32.920
have in the cryptography, we have mathematical code. So A

677
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.719
equals one to ten, V equals eleven to twenty, so

678
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:38.840
so on and so forth and on down, and then

679
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:41.599
once you add those numbers up, it comes out with

680
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:45.199
an overall total. This one I didn't quite understand to

681
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.480
be able to explain as well, but I do get

682
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:52.800
the gist of so no, maybe I don't get the gist.

683
00:38:53.840 --> 00:39:00.440
So so you like so a would be one well

684
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.280
as a yeah, one to ten. That was different than

685
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.119
the numbering system. This one is the mathematical code. It's

686
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:08.760
going to take me a second to work this one out.

687
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.480
And I think I threw it in here just because

688
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:12.679
that Jack was into math. Huge.

689
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:13.280
Uh.

690
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.559
The other system was kind of what you were just

691
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.760
talking about. So they are actually sending you a letter

692
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:21.239
and this this letter says Arnold, dear it was good

693
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:25.199
news to hear that you have found a job in Paris.

694
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.159
Anna hope she will soon be able to send for her.

695
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:33.159
She's very eager to join you. Now the children are

696
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:37.679
both well, sonya. So now once you break this down,

697
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:42.400
so I see in cipher thirty three, I thought I

698
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:46.960
had this one down, and dear was five yep. So

699
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.199
you add up that. You add up the numbers, yep,

700
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:55.039
the number of letters, and yet three and so at

701
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:58.519
three you would have to be the combination. Let's see

702
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:03.360
three three five. But see again, it also has a

703
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:06.280
break and a split in the words where you're stopping.

704
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:08.639
So again you would have to have that key to

705
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:12.639
know where those stops and splits are. Now I about

706
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.320
was like, oh my goodness, the solve to this. So

707
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:18.079
where we just talked about Arnold Deer and the kids

708
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:20.199
are good and they want to join you in Paris.

709
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:26.800
The message that this yields is need money for assassination. Right.

710
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:33.000
This guy also did one on paper, and I was

711
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.280
laughing because he was I can do it on paper

712
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:36.639
for you, and I'll send it to you for the

713
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:41.679
next show. Okay, So because I've learned it, well, he's

714
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:44.920
talking about the same author that did this also did

715
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:48.119
one on paper and the things that a document examiner

716
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:51.920
would want to know about paper. And he had mentioned

717
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.239
that you could weigh the paper to see So if

718
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.840
if somebody made a five page trust or will and

719
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.880
somebody swap to page out, there's a good chance that

720
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.199
the weight of the paper will not be identical, especially

721
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:06.320
if it's a much later date. Because our paper was

722
00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:08.079
thicker back in the day, we've learned how to make

723
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:11.360
it thinner so we can get more pieces into a ream. Thus,

724
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:15.199
that somebody used a today's type paper compared to paper

725
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.199
from two thousand, nineteen eighty somewhere around there, there could

726
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:21.360
be a weight difference. And he says, you can weigh

727
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:23.719
the paper to determine if it has the same weight,

728
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:26.679
and he marks on the side of that drug scale.

729
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.320
So yeah, so yeah, so anything, if anything that has

730
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.679
a number, could could give you a message.

731
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:36.639
No, no, no, what I was just saying, I was

732
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:41.519
just laughing that he obviously must have also been a

733
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:45.079
in with law enforcement or a government trained document examiner

734
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:46.920
for some of the things that he was talking about.

735
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:49.559
I've never been told in all the years that I've

736
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:52.800
done this, you can usually feel the weight difference in papers,

737
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:56.360
so weighing them has never really been something on my

738
00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:58.840
mind until I saw this. But the fact that he

739
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:01.119
said use a drug scale.

740
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:09.280
Yeah, documents, I'd like to use my letter head paper

741
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:14.320
because it's heavier, and you can tell that's heavier.

742
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:18.360
And even safer is to put in the diagonal water

743
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.800
marks that do not They have water marks that have

744
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.960
an algorithm that the photocopier will not pick up. Thus

745
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.360
it is not seen and cannot be copied, so somebody

746
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:32.760
else cannot imitate it. Also, it could have an embedded

747
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:35.920
water mark. You can buy bond paper that has embedded

748
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:38.280
water marks, or you can create your own and ask

749
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:40.519
for that to be made. And of course you can't

750
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:42.119
see that water mark until you put it on a

751
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:44.320
light table and then you can see the image of

752
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.280
whatever that water mark is. There's a lot of ways

753
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:48.880
to fraud proof your documents. I think I'm gonna blog

754
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:49.840
on that here shortly.

755
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.039
Yeah, I like that like a prescription, like when you

756
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:55.760
when your doctor gives you a prescription.

757
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:59.000
That's a heavyweight paper, and that's a security paper for

758
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:03.199
a reason. Yes, absolutely those are not coming out on

759
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:10.320
just standard paper. So now we have additional block versions,

760
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:13.119
which this is where I said that there's a possibility

761
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:16.519
that I think Orngchac called it period nineteen for the

762
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.519
three forty cipher as he solved it, but I couldn't

763
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:20.400
get it to work out, and there were still too

764
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.360
many problems and issues with the system that he used

765
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:26.719
to allow for an easy solve for somebody else to duplicate.

766
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:31.199
But here's other alternate block versions. There's an alternate vertical.

767
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.519
There are diagonal routes. So the diagonal route is the

768
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.480
one that Ornchac claimed to have done. The period nineteen

769
00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:40.440
was a diagonal starting with the top left hand corner

770
00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:43.639
and then moving directly downward or directly to the right,

771
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:47.360
and then downward either way. It moves through the pattern

772
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:51.320
in a spiral or a snakelike design as it makes

773
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:53.280
its way all the way out to the end. But

774
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:57.000
then you need you need it to be even I

775
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:58.599
would think you would need it to be a five

776
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.320
y five, a six by So I'm gonna have to

777
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:03.199
go back and look at the three forty and see

778
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:06.360
if we have equally across the top and straight down

779
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.679
in order for this type of design to work out.

780
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:10.800
And I think that's where the confusion came in with me,

781
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:14.119
is that his didn't Actually his numbering system of what

782
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.039
letter belonged where did not work out that way. There

783
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:19.400
were some outliers, there were ones that did not fit

784
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:21.920
into the program, and then there were just plain old words.

785
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.079
I think he just threw in there because it didn't

786
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:31.199
say anything. There's alternate diagonal and there's spiral routes. Yeah,

787
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:32.719
it would be crue.

788
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:36.000
I would be curious to see someone do one like

789
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:39.519
at an active one, Like maybe we can do one actively.

790
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.679
That would be fun. So we also have simple vertical

791
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:50.079
and clockwise, so you're working around in a circle clockwise

792
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:54.639
until you make it to the center. This particular clockwise

793
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:58.559
one says, suppose our message is enemy plans attack it dawn,

794
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.679
it is gonna be M A K T A men

795
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.760
E y N T A W N G D C

796
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.719
A L P S A T. So that's the final

797
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:13.039
transmission format. The letters that would absolutely in that clockwise

798
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.559
pattern makeup and it says the italic letters G and

799
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.320
M are noles. So here's what I found interesting is

800
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:25.280
that Terry Be talked about knowles. So I'm going to

801
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:28.000
have to figure out what noles mean in cipher. But

802
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:31.440
I'm thinking that they mean nothing where they account No,

803
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:33.320
it can't. Oh, maybe it does. I would have to

804
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:38.199
see awnng. So this is one two three four five

805
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:43.280
Oh one two three four Okay, so the g is

806
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:49.800
a null and the word is at. So I don't know.

807
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:51.320
I'm gonna have to go back and look at that

808
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:55.760
one too. There's also a zigzag cipher. So basically you're

809
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.079
working and I think I feel like the zig zig

810
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.000
is nothing more than these like movement, but it goes

811
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:08.480
up down, up, down, up down to get the actual answer.

812
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:10.880
So it's basically making it look like that these are

813
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:14.400
just a bunch of nonsensical letters that are put together

814
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.440
over the top of each other. When you actually read

815
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:20.960
it in that updown position, you were able to decode it.

816
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:25.719
University of Illinois at Chicago. I it said, oh I

817
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:28.280
as a nol in this particular case. So again we

818
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:32.480
come across Knoles. There's the rail fence cipher. Oh maybe

819
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.480
this was maybe I think this image here on the

820
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.119
rail fence cipher is what I took to mean that

821
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:40.719
that orangehak had done. But it still moves in the

822
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:44.159
same pattern as we looked at those other winding ones,

823
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.440
and it depends on how you create the grid. So

824
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:49.719
the grid here's a thirteen by two grid, here's a

825
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.639
two y thirteen, So that would mean we would need

826
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.079
to go back and look at the three forty and

827
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.719
see what the grid pattern was in order to determine

828
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:05.559
which direction everything goes. There's also diary code University of Illinois, Chicago.

829
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:11.280
Insert wxy or z between each word and then in

830
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:16.000
cipher the message using the vertical block route. Very interesting.

831
00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:21.519
Here's another. Perpetrators of computer crime frequently have been successful,

832
00:47:21.559 --> 00:47:24.079
not because of their superior talents, but due to obvious

833
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:28.159
breaches of security. So here's another substitution cipher. We also

834
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:31.440
have a frequency table worksheet that gives you dashmarks for

835
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:36.360
the actual letters themselves, and you would mark that out

836
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.360
in order to determine what letter you were using in

837
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:42.559
that and it of course gives a numerical value. So

838
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:46.880
the letter frequency distribution is step number three. And then

839
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:50.119
how to write an unbreakable code? Begin with a cipher,

840
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.679
it says, and then message. Then take a table of

841
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:59.480
random numbers and equate those random numbers to that cipher.

842
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.679
The sums are transmitted as a new set of random numbers,

843
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.239
and then you have the encryption, and it shows you

844
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.119
how to do it. They've even got this little one

845
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:11.079
down here, a one time pad of the type used

846
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:15.760
by international espionage agents for writing messages in unbreakable codes.

847
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:21.079
Each page of random numbers is used once and then

848
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:29.079
thrown away, hence the designation one time pad. Oh. I

849
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:30.920
really thought we'd finish this, but I know it's going

850
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.800
to take a little longer for this last slide, and

851
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.360
we are down to our last minute, So I would

852
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:37.599
welcome you guys to make any comments that you would

853
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:39.159
like to make for our last minute.

854
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.119
Well, I think that this all leads to military obviously.

855
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:53.159
Yeah, and uh.

856
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:54.760
We see that jack Is has that military background, as

857
00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:58.440
every single one of the the serial killers in Creation

858
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:01.760
Is literally has a military background, which is telling my

859
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:04.760
husband about this the other night. Every crime show I

860
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:08.880
literally watch, I always make sure to note if there's

861
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:14.719
a military background, and and there's just like nowhere around it. Yeah,

862
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:18.480
and it's like, wow, this is like a whole plan,

863
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:21.559
Like they have these and then we have these plans

864
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:25.480
right here that you're going over, like different plans, different ciphers,

865
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:27.800
different coding, and it's all woden.

866
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:30.960
That takes me back to Sharry Joe Bates and Patricia

867
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.719
Hout's letter, wouldn't the story about a boy, you know,

868
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:39.599
designed killer, basically the blueprint for a boy turned killer,

869
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:44.639
that be more interesting? And obviously who better than the

870
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:52.480
military to create those type of blueprint killers. Yeah, So

871
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.679
I just want to say that in the John Walsh cipher,

872
00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:59.920
we are looking at four or five different completely differentis

873
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.440
It would be astronomical for somebody to have ever figured

874
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:06.599
that out, but I'm sure they have. They haven't released

875
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:08.480
that to us because they don't want us to know

876
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.039
that they have solved those.

877
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:13.800
Another reason why they haven't released a lot of things

878
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:16.239
is because they already know that they already know the answer.

879
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:20.559
All Right, you guys, that's it. We're uptimes done. Everybody

880
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:27.679
has a wonderful band whatever. We'll see y'all next Friday.

881
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:29.760
Everybody have a wonderful weekend. Take care and thank you

882
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:31.400
both for being here.

883
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:33.119
Hi,