Feb. 20, 2026

Cryptography, Jack and Nora Cont…

Cryptography, Jack and Nora Cont…
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Finishing the discussion on cryptography and the methods from last week. Then moving onto Jack and Nora’s life as they depart California to Texas. Jack is terribly sick, but what they don’t know is that his heart is failing. CHF was a description from a witness in the Jonbenet murder, and as you see how mixed up the dating of Nora’s diary is, you have to wonder if Jack truly came home on Christmas when Dennis recalls New Year’s Eve with a sick Jack, but not that Jack had left for a month.

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Good Morning, True seekers and true crime junkies. Welcome back

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to another episode of Hit the Roadjack Finding the Zodiac.

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I'd like to welcome Win del Campo to the show today.

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Good morning, everybody.

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Good morning, Bob said Bob. I'm all right, well getting

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back to this week. We are finally going to finish

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off with this cryptography stuff. I had a small bit

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of an intro after some revelations and puzzle pieces that

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I was putting together with Nolan's help yesterday. So we're

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gonna go to the presentation because we're gonna start with

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this picture dead center.

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Now.

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While it is laughable that we're staring at something like this,

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and I probably laughed because you laughed, but the honesty

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of it is, I'm rather disgusted by it. Needless to say,

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when Lindsay had mentioned last week that there was a

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picture of Bill Epstein or I'm sorry, of Bill Clinton

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in a dress which was a painted in the Epstein household,

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and it had been released in the Epstein Files. I

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jokingly said, it's probably Lewinsky's dress. Well, I didn't know

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how right I would be, but yeah, even the red shoes,

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like everything about it is screaming, mocking. He got away

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with it. He's pointing out at people with a smirky

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little grin on his face, relaxed in a chair. And

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this portrait hangs over the top of some area in

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Epstein's house. Either way, that led Nolan and I to

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have some discussions in regards to the Epstein files and

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on Trump and things of that nature, and we looked

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at some things. One of those that we looked at

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was the newspaper headline that stated Trump had been convicted

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of thirty four felonies, right.

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Yeah, two or thirty four?

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Yeah, thirty four felonies, that's what the headline said. Now,

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of course I had already previous done some research on

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that because I wanted to see what was going on,

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because my Democratic friends kept telling me, are our president

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is a convicted pedophile and he has a convicted felon,

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and I thought, how would anybody ever make it into

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office being convicted as a felon? And Nolan, you were

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able to discover that in our little bit of research yesterday,

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which was the judge who indicated that he.

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Did not.

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Rule, he did not rule on a decision?

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Right?

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Was that what it said?

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He was convicted? He was convicted?

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What was the judges reasted of a felony? Okay, so

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let me first put you didn't get any jail turn,

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you didn't get any ferns.

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There was no penalties, but he did have thirty thirty

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four felonies.

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Now, and the thirty four felonies, in my research, boiled

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down to business practices, not pedophilia, had nothing to do

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with with abusing women, financial implications, and that no other

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person in the state of New York had been convicted

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of a felony for these offenses, that they were misdemeanors.

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So we had to do with the Stormy Daniels affair,

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the payoffs and whatnot.

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So covering up his dastardly start, you're cutting in and out.

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I don't know if Stormy Daniels or what the deal

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is with that person. Are you still with us? I

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think I lost him. No, you're still there? Can you

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hear me?

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No? Just miss what you just.

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You have a really bad connection. You are cutting in

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and out. I get every other word.

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I'm back.

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Okay. Anyways, I know nothing of the Stormy Daniel situation

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to pay off. What's that before?

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I missed? But let's let's move forward.

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Okay. So what I was saying is that the business

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practices that he was convicted of his purported felonies, nobody

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else has ever been convicted of as a felony. And

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the judge also indicated that he was not assigning him

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any jail time or anything in regards to these because

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he knew that Trump was going to appeal these and

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until the appeal processes over, he is still, you know,

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considered I guess, innocent if you will, even if he's

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been convicted.

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I mean, if you're convinced you're convicted, deferred to the

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political process and that the fact that it had been

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it was going to be re elected, So so you

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probably just pardoned himself anyway.

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That's a possibility. But I think that it specifically read

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that it said that it was likely he was going

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to be bringing these back up on appeal and he

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was going to give them them. You're under feel right

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now to fight the fight. Right. So this this led

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me to thinking, like, what what in the world happened

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between Trump and Epstein? Because as I was there, I

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was ear hustling the news your mom was watching and

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it was mentioning the fact that CEOs were either stepping

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down from their positions or being fired or what have you.

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So we're hearing about what the business world is doing

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to these people who are coming out on the list.

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But where's the people who are getting arrested, like Prince Andrew?

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Right, no one in the United States except for just

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laying Yeah, and I think she differently, but that's what

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I call her.

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Yeah, that's what I do too. It seems rather fitting.

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But I'm not.

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Either way. And I'm sure she's sitting pretty somewhere. I mean, honestly,

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when I started to think about these facts and the

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separation of Trump from uh from I started looking at

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what was going on now. We talked about the events

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at mar a Lago with Epstein supposedly having stolen something.

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Wasn't that what we read yesterday?

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Yeah? I forget what it was though. But the other thing,

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uh wouldn't hold.

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On, hold on, let me, let me finish this, this

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the thought process. I don't know that Jeffrey Epstein needed

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to steal a damn thing. He was given everything.

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Yeah, there's an article in today's paper about a CEO

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older guy that, uh, he's mentioned in a bunch of

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Epstein files. But he denies everything. But but then he

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does say he was a victim and that Epstein stole

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money from him.

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Oh okay, Now all of a sudden, they're going to

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separate themselves by claiming stealing, which the man didn't obviously

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need to do.

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He's starting to play victim. His association with Epstein goes

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way beyond business, right, and.

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That's what they're sims to be the ploy here. But

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my point being is the man was one of the

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richest people in the world. He had islands, he had many,

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many large residences all over the United States, and didn't.

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He accumulated as well rather quickly too, right, but.

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Off the backs of other people. If he stole from anybody,

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it was the public. Look that whole two thousand and

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eight real estate scam that was all about taking from

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the American public, So you want to wine that he

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stole some money that you obviously could afford to lose

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or you wouldn't have given it to him in the

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first place, is far different than what he'd done to

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the American citizens who lost their homes. So that timing

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is really where I was trying to come in at here.

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When when Trump literally discovered that he stole and kicked

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him out of our a lago seemed rather fitting right

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after the Florida da had given Epstein such a lenient

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sentence for the crimes that he had been committed, and

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in the sense that it put a band aid, I

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think on the situation that allowed them politically to figure

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out how to make that separation so that Trump could

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still run for presidency and not have an association factor

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with him. But the fact that we're not hearing Trump's

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name in these files at all is really disturbing to

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me because we clearly see that he was good friends

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with him up until the stealing point. Yeah, if that

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makes any sense.

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Basically, flora Well and the games set up the game

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set up fifteen years in advance, so if Epstein was

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getting close to being taken down, they did what they

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did to pacify the victims by giving him some sort

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of sentence, even though it wasn't fair long enough for

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them to perpetrate whatever this plan was to cause the

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separation between him and him and Trump.

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I just after watching these games for so long, through

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these presentations, it just stands to reason that that was

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all a ploy to clear Trump for the next presidential run.

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Because Epstein got such a lenient sentence in Florida for

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the similar crimes which he was convicted of later or

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you know, accused of later. I think that empowered him,

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made him feel he was kind of above the law,

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and so he just he got even worse after that,

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after his conviction he got work for Yeah.

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I think he really ultimately thought he was going to

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be overly protected by these people to the end, and

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he was definitely going to be the fall guy. These

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people aren't going to be the fall guy. The CEOs

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are the fall guy.

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That's why he kept evidence like Hoover, he kept dirt

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on every like this thinten thing, and you know, and

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I'm sure he has tons of stuff on Trump because

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he needed to blackmail them.

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I'm sure there's an information stash that's hidden so well

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somewhere on the dark reb web that it hasn't even

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been discovered yet, and if it has been discovered, we're

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never going to see it either way, at least until

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all these people who were involved are dead. Then all

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of a sudden, we're going to be dumped on like

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JFK and the aliens and all of these other things that, oh,

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let's just mass dump all of our information on them.

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In the end, Maxwell knows, but she won't say anything

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because she's hoping for some sort of pardner, clemency or

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down the road she figures keeps her house shut for

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nowt at the intr term, maybe she'll get partner, get

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clemency or whatever.

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You know, That's what we're going to want to look for.

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That's what we're going to keep in mind that we

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don't forget in the next two years with all this

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other chaos that they have going on, that we watch

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who he pardons and what he pardons at the end,

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because it's going to it's going to solidify some of

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the statements we're making now.

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Anyways, unic it's that attack the capital on January sixth,

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So why he could pardon whoever he was?

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It seems like exactly. Well, absolutely Biden did every other

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president has. We had Bush. We had Bush literally pardoning

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Henry le Lucas after admitting to over two hundred murders

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that he was force fed by the Texas Rangers to

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attempt to close hundreds of cases across the United States,

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which I believe are all involved in this mess of

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nefariousness where they're just running an agenda and they don't

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care who gets in the way. They're going to take

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them out, and they've done it on several occasions, and

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they create these crisis instances where we have serial killers

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running a muck in order to distract us. So now

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this whole president thing, I'm starting to worry about, you know,

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Trump stealing a president. And then I just found out

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from my assistant that we also stole six tankers of

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oil from Venezuela as well, oiled down it right right right.

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So now, if the taxpayer's money is what it took

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to steal this president, to run that off, to put

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them in possession of this oil, then that oil should

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be coming back to the taxpayers. The money that they're

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making off of it should not be something they're independently

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making for their agencies. It should come back to the

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American citizens, and I thought that was.

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A very good citizens. And allegedly they say that the

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profits from the sale and oil are going back to

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the Venezuelan citizens, But we don't know, there's no we

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haven't seen an accounting or anything like that. And someone's

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making a profit off it. You know, we wouldn't have

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done it unless someone was going to make a profit.

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Right, and we wouldn't give it away. We were not

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been known to move into a territory on a foreign land.

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You serve all of their resources and give it back

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to them. That's not what we're known for.

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they overthrew all they took it was a copper was

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the main resource there that they wanted, anaconda and Kennicott

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copper is because a day he was a socialist president

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like Maduro would and it was a real socialist though

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Maduro fake socialists, but anyway, he nationalized the copper industry,

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and the CIA and the United States business interests said no,

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we're gonna kill you, and they put peto'shet in and

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then they had like a raign of terror, just like

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world fear in France. Yeah, okay, terrible history too. So

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only you is one of the people behind that master plan.

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Of course, it's just another mob moved. Yes, yes, yes,

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I'm glad you say that name, because we just keep

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going full circle with who's in charge, who's running things,

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and who's making money off of things, and it certainly

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isn't us. We're just getting screwed. I mean to the

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gas tank or to the gas station yesterday and we're

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back up to four fifty five four dollars and fifty

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five cents a gallon because the holidays are now subsiding.

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We just got over Valentine's Day and now we see

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the gas hike up. It's like they play this game

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of who's gonna make money during what period of the year,

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and it's cyclical and it just keeps on. How but

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I thought, if we just stole six tankers of oil

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and we took over Venezuelans oil, why are why are

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our gas prices rising?

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Yeah? Why don't we benefit from that? Yeah? The individual

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And I just thought, I'm a little that the le

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exer I showed you from that book on the Mamas

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and Papas about uh uh c I a mind control

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and use of psychedelic drugs. Uh. And Marie Pinchot Meyer

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is quoted, as you know, as telling Timothy Leary that, hey, dude,

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the people that are really in power, not not the

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elected politicians, but the people are really friend shit. They

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want to use this ship for for warfare, for mind

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control and behavior control, and she was onto it. That's

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why they killed her.

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Yes, that's literally what it is. Literally what just what

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Nolan just said. Yeah, I completely believe that. I don't

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necessarily want to say everybody in government is bad, because

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that's not true. That would be like saying every you know,

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every person in a particular race or culture was bad.

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It's just simply not true. We just have bad people

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amongst the group, and we have people who are willing

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to profit off the backs of others, which means killing people,

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hurting people, demising people, doing anything and everything that they

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can to maintain what power they have and to usurp

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as many resources from us as they possibly can. I

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feel like we are the great project of division and

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see how much we can divide American citizens but continue

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to suppress and oppress them through the means that they

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are doing, which means we can never get ahead. We

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can't even oftentimes make a paycheck that is complementary to

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the price of living. At the time, most of us

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are living well below that means even on a standard

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like what is that like for your I haven't made

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an hourly wage and forever, but what do they call that?

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When the minimum wage? So whenever the minimum wage is enacted,

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it's still well below the line of you know, living.

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They raise them in room wage. People raise prices exactly

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even though your wages get raised, your buying power gets

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lessened because they, like like you said, with the gas

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and with food and just everything else, everything just goes

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up and up and up.

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Our next one that our next we'll see the gas

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market go down now because we're going to be stepping

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into easter and we're going to watch the price of

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eggs sore through the roof. We may even have decimation

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of an entire you know, ranch of chickens, which always

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seems to happen about this time too, which also causes inflation.

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Makes me wonder if that wasn't a set game. Let's

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you know, kill off the entire stock, and then what

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we have left we can charge five times the amount

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people are still going to buy them because it's Easter whatever. Yeah,

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all right, yeah yeah, So back to back to the cryptography.

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The last couple pieces that I had on cryptography was

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basic substitution again up here, only this one looks a

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little bit more complicated as far as the substitution process,

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and I wasn't really able to make out what this

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was supposed to say, because it just doesn't really make

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any sense what it codes out to and then what

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you're supposed to be able to derive from that information.

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But what was more interesting was down here on the

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right hand side, we look again at these are the

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frequencies of common short words, letters of the alphabet and

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let's see and words that I'm sorry, yeah, words and letters.

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So basically E being the most used letter in the

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English language means that it's used more and if it's

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a simple substitution, if you have one symbol that repeats

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itself more than any other symbol, it is typically an E.

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And then on down the line with TV in ninety two,

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ob and seventy nine. And then when you get over

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into the words, it actually breaks down how many times

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these words would be used in a message, and that

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the top use of word would be the word of.

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So if you had two symbols that continued to repeat

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themselves more than any other symbols in there, then you

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would be looking at the word of. And again this

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isn't a simple substitution. This is not one of these

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more complicated ones that we see that the Zodiac did,

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which really just instills more so that whoever he was

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sending these messages to had a key.

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Bottom line, Yeah, do you have to have a key? Basically, yeah,

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I mean there's systems and methodologies and whatnot that can

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assist you, but you really need to have at least

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one solid key clue and go from there. And then

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well then you're not going to decipher it.

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You're not. There's no way. And when I look at

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the systems that were used with John Walsh, we were

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talking at least five or different five or six different

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systems that was used within that least Based on this

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book that was produced out of shou Cogollinoise for this

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document Examiner, so we can see the use of the

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booze balls. Booz Alan Hayes was a war defence company

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that used these to show the completion of contracts wasn't

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available to the public yet, but somehow the Zodiac was

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aware of it. Zodiac was aware of Dick Tracy comics

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that were being produced out of Chicago, Illinoise before they

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were actually produced for the public. So that showing that

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inside information and knowledge that you could only get if

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you were up in this echelon.

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Not down here in the Dick Tracy karma back in

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the day that we have named Jodier.

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Oh well, and we did that come before or after Zodiac,

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like the fifties? Really yeah, huh, well, then if he

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took that name or and maybe that comics I like

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to say that they like to pair it whatever it

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is they're actually doing to us and shoving it in

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our face and in subtle ways that we don't seem

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to pay up on that. That was yeah, that was

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just now a phenomenon that was going to be taken

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on by one of these crimes frees. So I wouldn't

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be surprised that there weren't other comics that were out

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there mimicking things like the Oakland County child murders or

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the Atlanta, Georgia child murders, or you know many of

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these other the the Los Angeles stuff with black doahl Ya,

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I wouldn't be surprised.

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The media and these mass murder or these murders and

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serial killers. Lava goes hand in hand, Like if you

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look at the movie Bullet with Steve McQueen, or you

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look at the Dirty Hair Harry movies with a lot

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of times there's the Bay Area assassin that they're chasing,

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right right.

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Y'all need to watch Snake. Yes, I think I told

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you guys a while while back with Nicholas Cage, but

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you you gotta watch it because you're you're gonna see

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so many similarities in the Charlie Kirk case, like like

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mirrors and parallel else it's insane. Like I've watched Somebody

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on the other the other day. They were going back

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over like the movie pointed things out, and it's like

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he pointed things out that I didn't even notice. So

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it's like now I want to watch it again because

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I want to.

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See what you get.

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Yeah, it's like every time, you know, we ever, every

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time you watch a movie or something, you're always going

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to see something else different. It's just like you're reading

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a book, but but yeah it's that movie. Oh my god,

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you're gonna you'll freak out. I'm telling you in saying

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what they do, this.

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Is what this would be. How then, I've always surmised

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that they give us little bits of information of upcoming things,

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such as Star Trek talking to each other through a TV,

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just like we're sitting here right now on zoom and

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we can see each other and we're having conversations. They

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were feeding us us back in the seventies and eighties, right,

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And so I tried to express how this was their

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way of showing us what was coming and to sensitizing

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us to us, but we don't know that it actually

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existed at that very moment. And one of my girlfriends

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tried to tell me, well, maybe it's the movie that

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preempted them to design and make this. No, No, that

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is absolutely false. I mean I look at Suspect Zero,

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which is my movie for the Zodiac. I believe that

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this pretty much fits the bill for what we're looking at.

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And they're basically putting it right in our face because

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they're the ones that created these programs. They're the ones

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that created this technology, so they are feeding it to us.

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They are the ones responsible for it, and they're going

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to give it to us through entertainment and through the

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news and in little ways so that when it hits us,

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it's not lam right upside the head. This just showed up. No,

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they've been waiting on it for many years. They've been

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using it for many years before we get it. Yeah,

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all right, Back to Jack and Nora. I've been dying

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to get here because we are just now leading nineteen

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ninety six, we're climbing into This is December thirty first

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and January first in Nora's diary, and she indicates that

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they watched movies till midnight at Chuck and Genevas, which

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I thought was interesting because Chuck and Geneva, if I'm correct,

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are back in Texas. Went outside and listened. Okay, so

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maybe Chuck and Geneva is not in Texas, maybe they

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are in California. At this point, I feel like we're

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going to see them hanging out with them again when

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they're back in Texas. So I'm not sure how that

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that plays out. But Dora comes down.

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They listened to all the noise though, it's like people

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shooting guns and firecrackers went off for the New Year.

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Is that what it's a reference to? Probably?

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No, she said, went outside, Yeah, went outside and listened

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to Yeah Jack. Jack didn't even wish me a happy

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New Year. No hug, no kiss, no nothing, New Year's Day.

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Joy cooked a ham. And so she comes down sick

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with something. She gets the flu. Then she has some

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eye issues from it, probably contracted whatever virus she had

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in her eye it swells up. Jack is currently sick.

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At this point, they had already planned on heading back home.

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But now we're seeing her diary say January tenth, January eleventh.

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It's moving on in until January seventh, when she says

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rain or shine. But take note that up here we

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see December sixteenth turned to January sixteenth. We see January

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seventeenth turned from December seventeenth. So we're seeing some oddities

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in her date sequence. And I bring this up because

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when we get to when they're back in Texas, it

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conflicts with the actual phone records showing that they were

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already back in Texas two days before. So it makes

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me seriously concerned about the dating sequences and why they

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had been changed. She was consistent January January January. Then

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why would you go hop back in now December sixteenth.

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It just didn't make any sense. It was almost like

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she plotted out.

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What's that January seventeenth or January.

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Seventh, January seventeenth, and it says rain or shine. Jack

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was determined we are leaving this day. Me still not

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feeling good, so scored into the next one. He's still

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not feeling well and my I only getting relief when

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it's closed. Did not want to leave, And just two

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days ago I find out Charles is not going with us.

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So she says, I was numb. She didn't care if

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she lived or died, like this is this is some

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pretty desperate words for somebody, and I get it. Charles

467
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is eighteen. I don't believe that this is the first

468
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.119
time he's ever been away from his mother by any means.

469
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.400
But he stayed back so that he could get his

470
00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.720
GED taken care of, and Nora's very upset that they're

471
00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:38.319
moving on to Texas without them.

472
00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:41.000
Did he enjoin the military after he got the GED?

473
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:43.720
Is that what he the path that was on?

474
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:49.480
No? No, not Charles, Charles his son. And yeah, the

475
00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:54.480
other dentist, Yeah, yeah, the other dentist was military. So

476
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:56.960
there are several dates that are also changed on this one.

477
00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:59.720
So did she prefill all of these dates out and

478
00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:03.119
then come back or was she legitimately making mistakes at

479
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:05.519
the time she was attempting to write the entries, which

480
00:27:05.559 --> 00:27:09.559
is a little hard to tell. January eighteenth, per phone records,

481
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:12.240
the calls are made back to California from their home

482
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.960
phone numbers, so presumably they've made it home by January eighteenth.

483
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:19.480
But we're showing that there's still in Arizona on January nineteenth,

484
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:20.720
So how is this possible?

485
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:21.359
Right?

486
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:25.759
So it's where there's looks like a manipulation of the dates.

487
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:28.079
Something, something is going on here.

488
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:31.359
And Bennette, did you notice if it was it was

489
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:35.119
actually her writing over on top of the old date.

490
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:38.839
It does appear though, that some of it is I

491
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:42.599
haven't studied her handwriting like I've studied Jack's. It's probably

492
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:44.960
something I should do to make sure that Jack hadn't

493
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:48.279
gone back and changed it some of these things. Yeah,

494
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.440
some of these dates may have benefited him to have

495
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:53.400
been changed, But what if he just simply said you

496
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.680
need to change those dates. I feel like Dennis had

497
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.039
mentioned at one point in time that Nora knew who

498
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.200
Jack was, and that or a fear for life that

499
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:05.079
she was going to be killed by Jack, and if

500
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:07.359
she did truly know who and what Jack was, it

501
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:09.359
wouldn't be so hard for him to tell her to

502
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:14.279
you need to change those dates, you know. Yeah, eh

503
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:21.279
him the other Dennis, Oh yeah, oh yeah, Dennis was

504
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:25.920
definitely scared of him. So on the January twenty nineteen

505
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.920
ninety seven to January twenty ninth, nineteen ninety seven, in

506
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:31.079
her diary, this is where I bring up the phone bill.

507
00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:35.200
In this phone bill, it shows January twenty third, nineteen

508
00:28:35.240 --> 00:28:38.079
ninety seven, Jack is receiving cell phone bills from Southwestern

509
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:40.759
Felt in the name of John W. Terrrence Junior. So

510
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:42.799
this is one of the first introductions I see of

511
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.559
the name John. So now he's using a different name

512
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:47.680
to obtain cell phone bills.

513
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.240
Yeah, and also is actual Jack is a nickname for.

514
00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:55.680
John Okay, but his name is J. W.

515
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:56.920
Terrence Right.

516
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:01.880
Yes, he adopted Jack. I believe his father went by

517
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:08.200
John right and they were both So J W. Terrence

518
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:12.200
Junior is a junior because his dad was J. W. Terrence,

519
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.680
And then if they opted for a name other than

520
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:16.720
j W, it would have been John or Jack. Like

521
00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:19.559
we're seeing. I'm just saying at this point. This is

522
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:22.200
the first time we're seeing the use of John, so

523
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.960
again an identity change, as he's in another state, back

524
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.920
in Texas. Now he's listed as John Terrence, and in fact,

525
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:31.880
this bill was actually listed under Terrence t E r

526
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.559
R A NCEE, which was one of the aliases that

527
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.519
was used in one of his convictions back here in California.

528
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:41.160
So he's over here, but we do see him actively

529
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:42.759
trying to get them to change it from the t

530
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.440
r R to the t r R. So it could

531
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.799
have been a clerical mistake on the phone company's part.

532
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.559
Either way, he's still using John, which is a totally

533
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:52.759
different name. I don't care if they're swallowable. These are

534
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.160
legal documents being now in an account with the cell

535
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.599
phone company. You should be using your legal name.

536
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:05.480
Back to the movies in the Shining, the guys they

537
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:09.799
are Jack Nichols's name is Jack Torrence exactly.

538
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:13.119
That's so I've always thought that.

539
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:15.880
It almost makes me feel like they did in fact

540
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.000
know who Jack was back then, and that's why they

541
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.759
were making out these serial killers that just were so similar,

542
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:21.680
like Dirty Harry.

543
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.160
I really think, I really think they did really well.

544
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.680
Hold on, can't talk over us, nobody's gonna hear just

545
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:31.759
like the Dirty Harry movies where they're floating around after

546
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.400
a serial killer in San Francisco. Right, it's just so

547
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:35.480
close to home.

548
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:39.240
I'm sorry, go ahead, Oh, I was just saying, I really,

549
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:41.759
I really agree with that, Like I really think they

550
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:45.519
knew who he was and still are hiding it now.

551
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:49.559
Yeah, it's going to be just like the Alien Files.

552
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.240
It's going to be just like the JFK Files. Once

553
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.960
people are gone, then they're going to be able to

554
00:30:55.000 --> 00:31:00.359
release it. Ninety seven says December, and then so again

555
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.960
we're still seeing all the way into January twenty second.

556
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.599
She now has a full on habit of writing January

557
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:10.920
and we're still seeing December pop up, which is very leary. Yeah,

558
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:13.240
and it says that Jack is getting sick, but he

559
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.319
was just sick on New Year's Eve, So now you're

560
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:17.920
telling me on January twenty sixth he's getting sick again.

561
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.880
I mean, I don't know that he's cleared up from

562
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.079
whatever he had New Year's Eve, which is why they

563
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:27.720
hadn't left California. She says. She visits Charles Flova, Jack's

564
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.359
mom with to the er for breathing issues and is confused,

565
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.759
looking very bad per Nora, and Mary's husband has some

566
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.839
medical issues, which is Nora's daughter. So Nora's head's spinning

567
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.319
right now. Charles has left himself in California. She's coming

568
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.240
back to a place she absolutely hates, she despises Flova.

569
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:47.960
Jack's getting sick. All of these things are going on

570
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.480
all at one time. February first to February seventeenth, we

571
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.880
see that Flova, Nora says, Flova looks like she's dying

572
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:59.079
and not getting any better. And then two seven and

573
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.480
I'm not sure because it says February. Let's see two seven.

574
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:09.559
It starts to say what looks like February seventh, and

575
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:12.400
then it's changed to February seventeenth, and that's a big

576
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.480
jump from the sixth. The seventeenth might also indicate that

577
00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:18.200
she does pre fill out a date before she writes,

578
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:21.240
once again in anticipation of writing, and may just not

579
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.240
get to it until she does, and then she changes

580
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.000
the date when she does, so I can play Devil's

581
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.799
av gate there on both sides.

582
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:29.279
I think that the writing on the right side looks

583
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:30.799
like it was all done at the same time.

584
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:38.160
Ye, Well, this green obviously is after the fact, that right, right,

585
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:41.200
So she starts out with this blue pen Mary called,

586
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.359
and then goes into this green, and then goes into

587
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.799
this blue, but then comes back and uses green to

588
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:51.200
rewrite over the top of these blues so that this

589
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:55.759
feels like an entire insertion here this green, because she

590
00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:59.839
touched up the words on the entry after it that

591
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:01.680
was done in blue ink with that same green.

592
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:01.920
Ben.

593
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.519
I'm really confused. This is not how a diary should work.

594
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.400
So it says Jack is getting sick again after antibiotics

595
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:13.119
and he has bronchitis in January, or at least that's

596
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.400
what they think it is at that point. By February

597
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:20.680
eighteenth to February twenty first, Jack is really not doing well,

598
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:25.279
and it says doctor took one look at him and

599
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:28.200
put him in the er room, running test to see

600
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:32.000
what's wrong. Admitted to him to ICU congestive heart failure.

601
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:36.880
Jack thought he would come home on Friday, so obviously

602
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:39.039
he didn't even understand the severity of what it was

603
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.000
that he was going through. And the reason why I

604
00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:45.319
agree with you know what, And that brings me back

605
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.440
to one of the witnesses in the John Benay Ramsey

606
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:50.720
stuff in December, making a claim that one of the

607
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.640
people he witnessed getting on the Greyhound bus appeared to

608
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:57.440
have congestive heart failure, and he recognized that by the

609
00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:02.200
barrel chested, fat belly type, you know, body structure that

610
00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:06.160
usually accompanies heart congestin heart failure. I know my dad

611
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.639
had it, so I had to understand what he says

612
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:11.880
about barrel chested, and barrel chested was a description that

613
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:14.960
was used in the Zodiac killings as early as nineteen

614
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.440
sixty nine. So we're seeing this run its gamut. And

615
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.760
again for this very reason, I can't exclude Jack because

616
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.159
he did, in fact have conjective heart failure.

617
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.559
Well, and then you have those records of him call

618
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:30.119
in those Colorado numbers.

619
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:33.079
So during the month that he's gone from the family,

620
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.880
when when he supposedly had an alibi for being in

621
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.480
California with the family for the holidays, you're right on

622
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.719
it says that he now is being They shipped Jack

623
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.000
to Community Hospital in San Antonio. He didn't come home.

624
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:51.000
Doctors couldn't figure out why his blood pressure keeps drawing dropping,

625
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.599
or I'm sorry, he couldn't figure out why his pulse

626
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:59.079
is too high and then drops too low. Dolores and

627
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:03.199
Chuck and I followed the ambulance down to San Antonio.

628
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:07.039
He is in the National Regional Heart Institute, so he's

629
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.760
sent off to one of the finest places I'm sure

630
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:13.960
for heart surgery, because I believe at this point is

631
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.440
where he's going to get his pacemaker. Flovis still isn't

632
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:21.920
doing well and is still very confused, and now Nora

633
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.760
is having to travel to San Antonio to visit Jack.

634
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:29.440
But he is actually in good spirits when he sees Charles,

635
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:33.400
which I think is kind of interesting. So Nora says,

636
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:36.239
on February twenty third, it's a beautiful day. I feel great.

637
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:39.920
Charles is home. Jack's mom is stable but very confused.

638
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:43.440
Rick is doing better than expected, although the side effects

639
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.519
are atrocious what he is going through. I'm not going

640
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:49.239
to share that medical if that person's still alive, it's

641
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.320
not my job to share his medical stuff. But she

642
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.960
was very concerned for his mortality at this particular point

643
00:35:55.000 --> 00:36:01.320
in time. So Jack, I feel like, doesn't really have

644
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.920
any love for Nora. I mean that whole notion that

645
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:09.039
Dennis stated that Nora or that Jack pulled him aside

646
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:11.400
and took him into a room and told him, you know,

647
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:13.519
I don't want to be here any more than you

648
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.199
want me to be here, but this is how it's

649
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:16.559
going to be, and we're going to learn how to

650
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:20.960
get along basically. Well, it kind of coincides with the

651
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.599
way Nora is feeling in some of these entries in

652
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:27.119
her diary, so I wanted to read this one just

653
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.000
because it made me sad for her. It said that

654
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:33.320
Jack was happy to see Charles. It wasn't long we

655
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:36.480
were there and he started in on me, spent too

656
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:41.599
much money while he has been in the hospital. I

657
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:45.239
don't handle things. I am not to have his wallet

658
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.719
at any time. Don't do this, don't and do this,

659
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.480
giving instructions to Charles how to take care of things.

660
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:56.079
Now Charles is eighteen years old and he's in a

661
00:36:56.199 --> 00:37:00.559
hospital with Jack, who's suffering from congestive heart failure. Ordering

662
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:06.760
his son to make sure his own mother doesn't handle affairs.

663
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:12.239
What a showing us to thing to do? Yeah, at

664
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:16.159
all at all? So instructions to.

665
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:20.960
Charles, how like you said, chauvinesstic attitude that he never

666
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:22.320
respected women to begin with.

667
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:26.199
He never, not, not once unless it was his mom.

668
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.119
His mom could do no wrong. And I think that's

669
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:32.320
what really set Nora on fire, because he oftentimes was

670
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:36.239
taking his mother's side, so giving instructions to Charles how

671
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.360
to take care of things. I was beside myself how

672
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:47.840
he was acting and his and his Oh gosh, something.

673
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.199
I got angry and upset. After call after called, been

674
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:59.320
after all, I've been through, the worry, the toll, all

675
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.159
the pressure has taken on me. I walked out of

676
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:07.039
the room and went to the car, cried all I

677
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:11.440
could cry. I felt like running and disappearing somewhere, taking Charles,

678
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:16.039
and never coming back. That's some pretty heavy statements. Yeah,

679
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.280
and I get it that these times are stressful, but

680
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:21.599
I mean she literally she's talked about suicide. Now, she's

681
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.599
talked about leaving and taking Charles with her. Anything, I

682
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.239
guess to hurt Jack, and maybe as much as Jack

683
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:29.079
has probably hurt her. I don't know.

684
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:32.000
Have you talked to Charles.

685
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:34.719
I did, and at one point in time he agreed

686
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.480
that he would come on, and I've reached out to him,

687
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:41.199
not recently, but a couple of years ago. When he

688
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:43.079
first found out I was doing this, and he was

689
00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:46.239
excited that I was doing this. He was on board.

690
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:48.639
He had a friend that was watching the podcast and

691
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:51.119
he said he would come on. So I wanted to

692
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:52.760
talk with him about some of the things like the

693
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.199
pre cut wrote that Jack used to keep in his trunk,

694
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:57.559
you know, some of the things that he would notice

695
00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:59.960
that was odd about what an average parent would or

696
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:04.920
wouldn't do. And I just never got that opportunity. Maybe

697
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:11.000
we should jus knives too. I'm sorry, I got yours, Lindsay,

698
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:11.800
what did you say, Nolan?

699
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.960
He always said guns and knives? Who Jack?

700
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.679
Oh? Yeah, and you can see them, I mean carry

701
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:21.400
him right on his hip, because in Texas you can

702
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:26.960
do so. So here February twenty four to February twenty six,

703
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:31.119
it says Jack's pacemaker gets reprogrammed, So I'm assuming at

704
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:32.719
some point, though I didn't see it in the notes

705
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:36.719
when he actually got that pacemaker, but it is now

706
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.639
being reprogrammed because I think that's where they figured out

707
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:42.239
his blood pressure was dropped, going too high and dropping

708
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.079
too low and things like that. Jack gets to come

709
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:48.719
home on February twenty seventh from nineteen ninety seven, so

710
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:51.159
we see that it's taking him almost a month in

711
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.840
the hospital from the time he got home to get

712
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:55.199
cleared and out.

713
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:57.199
Oh to see at this point, do you.

714
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:02.639
Know in ninety seven he is born in twenty three

715
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.440
if I have that right, twenty three, No, that's not right.

716
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:09.480
Twenty eight he's born in twenty eight. That would have

717
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:14.679
made him forty one in sixty nine. And so this

718
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:18.719
is almost almost seventy at this point, sixty eight sixty nine,

719
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:21.920
which is why I think that he's nothing more than

720
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:23.679
the letter writer at this point. I do think he

721
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.960
had a heyday of killing people. I don't discount that

722
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:29.159
at all, but I.

723
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.079
Think sixty nine is pretty young to me.

724
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:37.719
Well, it can be good health bad nowadays, but in

725
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.679
nineties that wasn't you know, that was kind of average

726
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:43.400
for men were in their seventies when you know they

727
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.960
were knocking off women a little later in the seventies

728
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.920
early eighties. I think there was they say something like

729
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:51.880
an eight year statistical difference between a women and women

730
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.360
and men in you know, mortality rates at those ages.

731
00:40:56.880 --> 00:40:59.800
So February twenty seventh or nineteen ninety seven, Jack Lambs

732
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:06.519
in the hospital with cojestin me or I don't know, Well,

733
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.360
I was having a little bit of issue earlier, but

734
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:15.760
I'm okay, so it might just be yours, Lindsay. I

735
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.320
failed to remove that entire entry of February twenty seventh,

736
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.480
but by March nineteenth, nineteen ninety seven, Jack is being

737
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:25.719
sent information he requested back to normal. It seems for

738
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:28.440
him this is some type of lower back pain relief

739
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:30.159
company as far as I can tell, and we know

740
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:33.360
that Jack walked with the lumber. He had a discogram

741
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:37.360
done before back injuries and a subsequent surgery, so here

742
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.360
he is looking into some information in regards to what's

743
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:43.480
called the TELEBAC, and as much as I could find

744
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:45.519
on that it's for those who suffer from back pain.

745
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:48.280
TELEBAC offers a real opportunity to get rid of this

746
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:51.800
limiting and annoying problem from your home. I can't believe that.

747
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.280
This just disgusts me that they sell this stuff as

748
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.559
if this is a fix all for these individuals who

749
00:41:57.599 --> 00:41:58.880
are pain And all you're.

750
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:03.119
Doing is worked for a neurosurgeon for ten years doing

751
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:05.920
back surgeries and I've never heard of that.

752
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:11.760
Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like you've seen all

753
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:15.239
the literature that I've put up here. From Jack's files,

754
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.840
like you know this, get on this bad wagon and

755
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:22.199
make this money. Try this new thing and make this money,

756
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:23.800
try this new thing, like he was a get me

757
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:27.800
on for some of these things. He just really it's

758
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.280
no different than the average American who wants relief from

759
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.280
their back. They're willing to pay for things they think

760
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:34.880
might help because these people out here lying saying it will,

761
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.920
there's no proven. If there was proven relief from this,

762
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:41.800
everybody would have it. It's like I tell my dad

763
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:44.000
when he got an email and it said he'd won

764
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.519
publisher's clearinghouse or he'd won something, or if you do this,

765
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.960
you make this money, I said, Dad, if it were real,

766
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:56.400
everybody would do it. Yeah, but it's not real. They're

767
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.320
going to be around long enough to take your money

768
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:00.639
from you and maybe a couple other million people, and

769
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.559
then once they figure they've tapped that pond, they're going

770
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:05.719
to skate onto something else and bring up a whole

771
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.239
new program where they can make money in a different way,

772
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:11.119
under a different name, with a different phone number. It's

773
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:14.599
just what we're and why can't they stop this? Why

774
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:16.800
do they stop the people who are lying about these

775
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:19.639
things and feeding this nonsense to us and using and

776
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.280
taking our money because all we really want is relief.

777
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:25.880
All the time, I got emails that I'm afraid to

778
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:29.960
open because you just drawn in and you know it's

779
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:31.760
if it sells to good to be true.

780
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:36.880
It is is one percent, and sometimes you take it

781
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:40.360
as a serious. So phishing is where they basically look

782
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:45.119
to perpetrate themselves out to be a trusted company, and

783
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:48.880
their whole goal is to to obtain your personal information

784
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.400
so they can commit identity theft against you. You've got

785
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.960
malware that comes in, and we've seen the malware. I'm

786
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:58.280
now finally understanding all these different fraud methods through the

787
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.800
computer system, which isn't my forte. I don't usually deal

788
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.320
with it or technology a limited technology should I say

789
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:09.480
in forensic examination. But the malware that comes into destroy

790
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:12.480
so they purposely embed this malward to come in and

791
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.920
destroy your computer when you're researching something like we are.

792
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:18.079
And I've seen it happen to several of my computers.

793
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:22.719
Harriet's had it happen to her computers on down the line.

794
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:24.559
You click on some of these links and it'll tell

795
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.079
you straight up there's a virus. I think they even

796
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:29.760
embedded one in my message board, so people don't go

797
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.039
to my message board because they get scared. Once they

798
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.360
go to the link, they and they try to process

799
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.400
that link, they get a warning from Google saying that

800
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:41.320
there's a virus attached. Don't do it. And I'm thinking,

801
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:43.880
what the heck, I don't have any viruses attached.

802
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:45.360
Yeah, that's terrible.

803
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:48.280
Yeah, I don't have anything embedded. So either this is

804
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:50.719
just something that they're doing as a ploy against me,

805
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.079
which they tells me they have big capabilities to be

806
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:58.280
able to do that, or somebody has embedded somehow someway,

807
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:01.440
maybe an attached document or something that they thought they

808
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:04.360
were acting like they were helping me out with research

809
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:09.559
and attached something that had embedded malware it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

810
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:10.559
whatever it might be.

811
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.519
Whoever they are, they have big ears and big eyes,

812
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:15.119
and they're yet.

813
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:20.440
And broad reach. Big ears, big eyes, broad reach. So

814
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:24.280
I also, at this particular point in time nineteen ninety seven,

815
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:27.159
found Jack's phone book for the people that he knew of,

816
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.119
and I circled many of these things with you know,

817
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:33.119
I want to look up these numbers and see who

818
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:36.519
these people are. I know, Lindsey, that you have that capability.

819
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.239
But I've put these ones up here just so we

820
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:40.559
could talk about some of the locations that Jack has

821
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:45.360
friends in. So, of course we've got Chubb Indeloris Barnett,

822
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.360
and we've talked about how Jack has used Barnett in

823
00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:52.920
the past for a name for a bell Donnie and

824
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:56.760
John Barnett. So this is obviously his mother's maiden side.

825
00:45:56.880 --> 00:46:00.119
So the Barnett's is Flova Barnett before she be Na

826
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:07.480
flove Terance, Jim Bond Saging Texas. We've got this was interesting.

827
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:10.079
Frank bone Break. I don't know if that's a real

828
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:17.639
last name. Bone Break. Yeah, that's out of the Sacramento area.

829
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:23.599
We've got Brinkerhoff in Flagstuff Arizona. We've got Hollywood, California,

830
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:33.440
as Vermont, Texas. Let's see pawnshops, Shady Cove, Oregon.

831
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:33.920
C O.

832
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.519
Yes, friends and family in Oregon. We talked about this.

833
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.760
He stayed a bit in Oregon. I'm not sure who with,

834
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:42.400
but that leads us back to the dB Cooper thing.

835
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:45.000
He claims to have, you know, been living in the

836
00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:51.239
Oregon area. New Brensfelt, Texas, flag Staff, Arizona, Lockhart, Texas,

837
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:55.559
and Antonio. That's a doctor's office. I believe, yeah, cardiac.

838
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.639
Let's see there were some more surprising ones. Bass Drop

839
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:05.199
in Nashville, Arkansas. We have Arkansas in the mix. Now Arizona, Michigan.

840
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.599
So Denny and Sharon Gilbert. Now it appears as though Denny,

841
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:12.880
his biological son in nineteen ninety seven, is living in Michigan.

842
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:17.119
Now you got to remember though that Denny and oh no,

843
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:20.719
I'm sorry. It was Nora's kid's father who lived in Michigan.

844
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:23.800
So he really has two sources in Michigan aside from

845
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:28.239
his own son. Nora's married family was also living in Michigan.

846
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:33.559
I looked up the Lexington, Michigan to see approximately how

847
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:35.719
far it was from the Royal oak and the Oakland

848
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:37.840
County Childbirgers, and I found that it was an hour

849
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:45.599
and thirty minutes away. Wow, two blows more. Flag Staff.

850
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:53.519
Let's see Dale, Texas, Dallas, Texas, Longview Port here on Michigan.

851
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:57.280
So now here's the Kaufman family. This is Noura's original

852
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:00.920
because Dennis's last name is off Men. So I don't

853
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:04.159
know if this is an aunt and uncle, a grandmother, grandfather,

854
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:08.480
maybe even the father of the gay Is it Coffman

855
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:13.039
with a K. Yeah, Okay, yeah Coffin with the K

856
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:16.639
so port. I also google port here on Michigan as

857
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:19.440
it pertains to the Royal Oak area, and I found

858
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.280
it was only an hour and seven minutes away. So

859
00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.960
when they moved to Cotton, Minnesota, it was a twelve

860
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.679
hour trip from Cottons, Minnesota to the Michigan area. Which

861
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:32.039
we know that there were visitations that took place because

862
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:34.880
Dennis talked about them, and now we can see exactly

863
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.880
how far the happenstances of what occurred with the Oakland

864
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.199
County child murders were from where the proximity of family

865
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.880
members or places that they could He could probably drop

866
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:48.119
the kids off and disappear like he likes to do.

867
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:56.039
Yeah, I'm curious to see the ancestry on him, but

868
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:59.199
I've tried to look it up before. But he has

869
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.760
some like like like you just say it, like he changed,

870
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:03.599
he puts the different names in there.

871
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.000
He has a he has an he has a noal

872
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.719
for a name because he's J. W. Terrence. You're not

873
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:11.800
really going to find anything because it doesn't lead you

874
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:16.320
to search parameters that are required to populate something. I

875
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.840
think that's the noal that Terry Be was talking about.

876
00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:23.119
So if you ran, uh lead the self, you're not

877
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.039
going to find anything because self is not recognized. It's

878
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.679
just not enough information to make an identification. And either with.

879
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:33.320
Jaw, thinking was maybe I should look up Nora if

880
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:38.000
In because if they're if they are were actually married legally,

881
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:41.440
then they're then I can find stuff.

882
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:44.079
So they and then they were divorced.

883
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:45.440
Then yet.

884
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:50.280
That marriage wasn't valid because he hadn't divorced from Doris yet,

885
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:52.679
so then they had to get remarried. Then they got

886
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.519
divorced when he tried to harm the family when he

887
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:58.599
went berserk and tried to kill everybody with a hammer,

888
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.280
a knife or whatever during the eighties, And then they

889
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:05.400
got remarried. I guess at some point, because we're married there.

890
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:08.199
In the end, and there should be documents of that.

891
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:10.119
It will lead me to a trail.

892
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:10.840
Right.

893
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:13.719
But see, I've also got Florida, I've got Arizona. I've

894
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.760
got all kinds of different locations, which puts Jack in

895
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:20.519
all these areas that I have talked about throughout the presentation.

896
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:22.159
But we are at the end of our time. We'll

897
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:24.199
finish off the phone book and maybe I can get

898
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:28.199
some of this information to you, Lindsay, to your research.

899
00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.119
I want to thank you both for being here today. Everybody,

900
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:38.360
have a wonderful weekend and we will see you next Friday.

901
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:44.960
Nice at We'll see you all soon

902
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:08.119
And family